tank designed for the 80s comes out in the 90s and havent got upgraded since. irl, it doesnt even have a citv and its best round is cl3143. so no, it is not at all absolute for midorn werfur
@@DZ477 maybe. cause Italy is the only nation with an line up of vehicles with 625mm penetration. but it's the worst nation to play if you got stock tanks with heatfs unlocked only.
"And thats why the Ariete is sometimes considered obsolete" Why, because gaijin got rid of its main selling point, the best round in the game, by giving DM 53 to the leo 2a6 because Germany suffers? In all seriousness, the Italian tech tree is very fun to plan but really needs some love at top tier, might I suggest Dardo IFVs or a further upgraded Ariete?
till i know there are no more Ariete upgrades that is why is almost imposible to add more for Italy, maybe some other vehicules yes but they cant invent an upgrade for them. i dont think that would be apropiate
Yes, it would be a great idea considering that Italian army is upgrading the C1 Ariete and maybe in the future Dardo Ifv too even if excluding the upgrade of Dardo gaijin could add it to the game... 🤞🤞 Then they could also add other variants of Centauro such as Draco or wheeled IFVs such as Freccia or the Iveco superAV in an update which gives wheeled IFVs to all countries (almost all of them have ones)
And also it might be the fact that the Ariete armor is completely inaccurate.. I mean so is for the other western MBTs but at least they have still armor The ariete should have more composite and NERA armor on both LFP and UFP, the turret has a literal hole that they put as “spaced armor” but there should be steel or ceramic there not nothing
Fascist dictatorship of Mussolini joined the war in the Axis The restored Kingdom of Italy joined the war with the Allies after the defeat of the fascists.
@@nevetz845 the kingdom didn't join after the defeat of the fascists. After the 8th of September (armistice) the king and the higher military grades escaped in the part occupied by the allies. Leaving the army completely without any orders. The kingdom actually fought the fascists with the allies.
@@Dan86130 The king declared the armistice and Mussolini was arrested, then he was liberated by a joined operation and italy was split into the allied territory and ISR (italian social Republic) with the germans and Mussolini.
They still kind of got the "loser" treatment, just in a Beta version. Although they didn't have to endure foreign occupation, they had to give/return a lot of previsously owned land and colonies and of course, war reparations had to be payed I know, this is just a joke, but I felt like dropping some knowledge
@@DominusRexDK yep its performance only good at some maps, in sniping maps it can be a very good sniper with its laser and thermals, but in snow its bad
@@DominusRexDK but gun depression and large hull does make it difficult at times
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I am an Italian main in-game. I am in love with their anti-air and TD line and even their MBT line is perfect for my playstyle. Survivor ability is definitely an issue but firepower/mobility/spotting capabilities are still excellent. They are almost as good as Germans.
@@user-wb1ww1py2f there’s the Dardo 25mm with Spike missiles, Dardo with add on composite armor and 30mm gun and spike, Dardo with 60mm gun and 2 second reload, Freccia IFV with 25/30mm guns and Spike, Iveco VBA amphibious vehicle with 30mm gun and spike Italy always was always ahead in terms of light vehicles since our terrain is more suitable for IFV than MBTs
@@p_filippouz hello from the further future. they gave it too you 3 times. 2 of them are not to great, and the first one they added got nerfed and has a 10k SL repair cost. the tree still lacks cas and has received no other notable adtions besides the vcc80s
Little correction Bruce, the new Ariete being worked on won’t have ERA, but will have many new tweaks and improvements that will allow it to close the gap, such as APS, new Thermals and improved armour.
No, the armor won't change, the new Ariete will have a more powerful engine, a re-engineered transmission and larger tracks, +new thermals and optics.. That's all
@@Iskads No ERA, at least for now. But yes a very major upgrade indeed. It’s supposed to extend its lifespan enough so Italy can have the next generation MBT by the time it’s completely obsolete.
The Italian tanks had the P40s and Semoventes that were feared. The Italians has American tanks after WW2 that were modified. Then the OF-40s came along. Love those things.
@@p_filippouz non è stupido. E' l'unica community al mondo, sia per war thunder che non, per discussioni e ricerche storiche su tutti i mezzi corazzati, aeroplani italiani. Al massimo, lo sarai tu
@@p_filippouz Non è pubblicità. Pubblicità vuol dire guadagnare, e lui non ci guadagna un cazzo. E di ridicolo ci sei solo tu che lo dici. Ha solo scritto che se voleva delle informazioni può visitare tale community, che lui gestisce.
As someone that has played Italy for a good while (still haven't reached high ranks tho) i have to say the air and the tanks are amazing if you know how to play them. Most tanks are fast and teach you how to flank the enemy and also can count on a high firepower. Italy surely is hard to master, especially if you're new to the game but trust me when I say to you that they're way funnier to play than most mainstream nations
Italy is still missing a lot of vehicles for both ground forces, naval and the air force tech trees, or existing vehicles don't have full combat capabilities, like the SIDAM not having NVS, or the M42 Contrareo not being beltfed or the italian 47mms not having HEAT/HESH available. At least for ground forces things like the VBM Freccia or the Dardo IFV are missing, armored gun trucks could be added as well along more AA platforms (R3 needs to be moved) Also the Naval techtree is just filled with more of the same ships over and over, the Coastal Tree doesn't even have OTO-Melara autocannons except for the Sparviero, you'd expect italy to have plenty of 127mm Vulcano or 76mm Super Rapido, but no, the same patrol ship with 40mm bofors over and over, at least the top tier has Nettunos. And a Rate of Fire buff to the Breda-SAFATs would be welcome, the US M2HB already fires at an unrealistic fire rate of 1000rpm, irl it only went up to 600, might as well buff others.
@@p_filippouz EP M42 and EPS M42 are italian developed versions of both HEAT and HESH, the hesh thing is a little different, I still have to find italian documentation on the HESH thing but I've heard and read everyone compare it to traditional HESH And yes, the 47/32 47mm 1935 guns could use either, the 100mm pen HEAT would help a lot, sweden gets post war bullshit APDS, why can't italy use stuff that was in service?
Gib new Italian vehicles pls! I think everyone would love to see Freccia, Dardo, VBA ifvs; more OF-40 modifications: Thetis, mk.3, PRTL, Leone; C-13 variants; Centauro 105 serial variants and 2nd generation; WW2 guntrucks and other interesting vehicles)
The proposed upgrade is also involving combining both the PSO Tipo II and WAR add-on composite kits, and outfitting it with a more powerful engine to make it more than a 64-ton paperweight. This upgrade (from my knowledge) is planned to enter service in 2025.
Freccia, dardo, leone, spaa cheetah prtl, ariete hitfact mk2, OF-49 mk3/mk2a1... I could go on but I plead you look into these please and thank you, keep up the great work so far Warthunder☺️
I would absolutely LOVE if they added italian IFVs like the dardo/ freccia. Sure spike missiles are very strong, but just make direct fire without the fancy fire and forget
The proposed upgrade is also involving combining both the PSO Tipo II and WAR add-on composite kits, and outfitting it with a more powerful engine to make it more than a 64-ton paperweight.
I'm still researching the Centauro ROMOR for my 9.0 lineup, but after that it's on to the Preserie, so I'll finally have my first top-tier MBT. I really love Italian vehicles, and I've done a ton of research on them since deciding to "main" Italy in War Thunder. Speaking of the M47, the one in the Italian tech tree is actually the Spanish M47E2 using an Italian gun, not the actual M47 tanks produced by Italy. You can tell by the track armor, only the Spanish had the ones with sharp angles, whereas the Italians kept the curved ones like on the original M47 and M60. Not like I ever expect Gaijin to correct that mistake, as Italy has been put on the back burner for a long time, just thought I'd point it out once again.
@@nicho3051 Pictures of the M47s produced by Italy (that's the key here) are few and far between, but they are not the tank currently in their tech tree. Look up the Spanish M47E2, a native variant not used anywhere else, and it matches the one we have perfectly. I've had very lengthy discussions about this on the game's forums with some very knowledgeable people, the ones who showed me the sources for the Italian M47s, not just the ones they initially got from the US or those built by other countries using their 105mm gun.
@@ODST_Parker I have a whole section of pictures dedicated to Italian M47’s, I can guarantee to you none of them were Spanish. They might look similar but the M47’s were Italian.
@@nicho3051 Could you possibly link me to it then? Because I've done my own research and I guarantee you that the only tank matching the one in the Italian tech tree is the M47E2.
Ariete is honestly way underrated, it's probably the MBT I perform best in and the turret traverse really helps you getting out of trouble or sending a shot downrange just a tad quicker than your opponent
Overall the Italian Tech Tree is pretty fun to play although they are lacking some in Vehicles and their ridiculous repair costs makes it somewhat ignored, especially their Rank IV Italian Fighters.Can Italy get some love?Lower the Repair Costs and that's just the thing I need for Italy.
Italy made a concept of the c2 ariete, never gone to production, it would be cool to have a new 10.7 italian MBT for the next major update, you can also add the AIF freccia equipped with 2 atgms to counter small millimeter light tanks, and as wargaming did the heavy italian tech tree
I wish that tanks had something of this firing control system, something like the planes has with the ballistic computer...the most sophisticated tank in the world and we can only use its NVD and laser rangefinder
Yes, you shoul'd think about adding IFVs DARDO and FRECCIA in the next update, and we are Also about to star production of a new generation centauro, so Keep that in mind... just saying ;) Anyways, yes guys you should think about improving a bit the italian top tier, because nowadays we are so obsolete and badly equipped even if you confront us with america, or germany, or england... we are making some serious spaghetti things now. But keep on going gaijin, you are doing a nice job
If you kind folks at Gaijin would, please add the VCC 80 Dardo IFV to Italy. It'd be an excellent addition to their roster, in keeping with their fast and punchy play style, while providing them further options at top-tier as well.
Why all vehicles look like from gta3 in spectate mode and sometimes while playing them, but.... This update solved a lot crashes and increased my FPS! And now I can finally play at Low settings, thanks so much dev team!
This year the first prototype of Ariete AMV will be presented to the army. The mid life upgrade should make the Ariete enough capable for the next 10 years then we will throw it away.
Well not really, they will just put in place the upgrades that were supposed to come about in 2002. If it was 2002, we could say that it will make the tank capable for the next 10 years, but seeing that it is 2021, we say that it will be less obsolete
"Making the ariete into an italian leopard 2" For top speed sure, but the ariete's are quite sluggish in game. I love them but they have no "get up and go"
As someone who grinded italy as their first TT back when the best tanks were the 2A5 and long before Russian tank smap i was expecting a tank that had the least ammount of armor but the most powerfull shell in the game but once i got into top tier a year has passed and something like the 2A6 started to exist with DM53 making the only reason to grind italy get thrown into the garbage. It would be nice for italy to get something else than another ariete they are by far the worst tanks in the game right now after most other nations mbt's got thier high pen ammo added. There is no point of playing a glass cannon now when other nations glass cannons have accual protection and good optics
The highest B.R italian vehicle I have at all, is the 2 Fiat armored cars, 6614 and Aubl, and well they are good, but I am just trying to on and off progress further
Enhance the penetration of the Italian 75mm APs that makes it worth seeing level 3.3 tanks penetrate only 79 mm of armor, when the minimum thickness of armor and 80 mm lateral or front of any wagon. Above all note that M4 has 91 mm of penetration with a speed of 500 m/s and instead the Italian urination is 79 mm of penetration with 630 m/s of speed. the Chi-Nu has 103 drilling with its 75mm gun (which is the same in length as the Italian one) with a speed of 668 m/s!!!! So at least the Italian 75mm must have 90mm of drilling. and don't say it has HEAT that pierces 100 mm that hurt like ammunition.
Italy is my favourite tank line, And I have the complete tech tree and good 90% is spades, I adore the Ariete and centauros, But Italy is lacking one HUGE thing every nation has in game, A propper autocannon IFV! Like the Dardo, US has like 3 or 4 variations of the Bradley, USSR has 4 BMP's Germany has the Begel, China has bmps too, Japan has far out the best of them all, The Type 89, Britain has the Warrior and a adats/Bradley Sweden and their auto cannons.......Where's our Italian ones? Or French ones, PLEASE add them D:
Hey guys love the video is there anyway you can make it to where all the Jaguars if they have a bomb load they can get Interceptor spawn because it's really hard to get off the Runway with a full payload
About to finish the whole Italian tech tree both air and ground due to how little the amount of vehicles there are and am SL broke due to how expensive they are.
0:40 the P26/40 was not promising at all. It had no hull escape hatches for the driver and assistant driver, inadequate and obsolete leaf spring suspensions, obsolete armor configuration. Furthermore, according to the italian designation, it was designated as a heavy tank even though it weighed only 26 tanks when a true medium tank like the sherman weighed around 30 tons
It is old italian tank classification mistake - all they tanks is light if we use, for example, russian/soviet classification. Italians firstly design tanks to fight in mountains :/
Italian MBTs in wt were good because they could pen anything, but now russian MBTs eat rounds a German tank with a 70% win rate was basically upgraded with a higher penning round and that tank the leo 2a6 has more armor nice going gaijin
When the CV13 ifv multiolatform, the dardo, the porcupine, the palmaria, the Draco, the freccia, the of40 with Thetis thermal sights, the of40 based heavy ifv, the of40 based twin 35mm spaag?
Scusa ti voglio solo correggere, si chiama C-13, e il “porcupine” non esiste, (se stai parlando del centauro con il 155mm si chiama tapiro) Comunque se ti interessa veicoli italiani non esitare di entrare nel mio discord! discord.gg/DeY5KBH
- Ariete can be considered ''obsolete''
- gives 7k sl stock repair cost
Certified french repair cost moment
tank designed for the 80s comes out in the 90s and havent got upgraded since. irl, it doesnt even have a citv and its best round is cl3143. so no, it is not at all absolute for midorn werfur
7k is nothing bruh
A zero cost 20k or any french/british 7.3 cost even more
@@samyt681 but they are the better tanks for their BRs, the Ariete is NOT
@@mrtizio13 Yeah, french have very good guns with autoloader and the brits have very good armour and STABILIZER
0:44 Oh come on, no spoilers, I have only reached Operation Barbarossa
Lol
LOLOL
Man im already in the cold war
Man I'm already in the Jupiter wars
@@russianbroskie2026 HOW?! I'm only in 2020...
Lower italian repair costs in top tier they have bad armor and now everyone has a powerful dart
*Laugh in 600mm of pen APFSDS*
@@ikill-98 Leopard 2a6 and Merkava Mk3 does too... And 2a6 is better than it in every way.
@@DZ477 And the Ariete is easier to get to. Plus, there's 3 vehicles in the Italian tree with 625 pen, and you also have the Ariete P with dm33
@@semi.g Still doesn't justify the 7k same as leo2a6 repair cost.
@@DZ477 maybe. cause Italy is the only nation with an line up of vehicles with 625mm penetration. but it's the worst nation to play if you got stock tanks with heatfs unlocked only.
Finally a video talking about Italy, it was about time.
Good job.
If you’d like to learn more or are just generally interested in Italian vehicles feel free to join my discord!
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Now we only need italian IFV's, because I'm tired of using the R3 at top tier as one
@@nicho3051 I’m interested in joining this server for discord, but I can’t get Into it
@@Ace-rp7vr What is your discord name? Il add you then invite you from there ^-^
@@nicho3051 it’s TheDesertButcher (or the nice name for the Italian general Rodolfo Grazani)
"And thats why the Ariete is sometimes considered obsolete"
Why, because gaijin got rid of its main selling point, the best round in the game, by giving DM 53 to the leo 2a6 because Germany suffers?
In all seriousness, the Italian tech tree is very fun to plan but really needs some love at top tier, might I suggest Dardo IFVs or a further upgraded Ariete?
till i know there are no more Ariete upgrades that is why is almost imposible to add more for Italy, maybe some other vehicules yes but they cant invent an upgrade for them. i dont think that would be apropiate
centauro draco is better, otomatic+centauro
they could add the dardo IFV, Freccia IFV, Centauro II or the Draco rather than an upgraded Ariete which doesn't exist yet
Yes, it would be a great idea considering that Italian army is upgrading the C1 Ariete and maybe in the future Dardo Ifv too even if excluding the upgrade of Dardo gaijin could add it to the game... 🤞🤞 Then they could also add other variants of Centauro such as Draco or wheeled IFVs such as Freccia or the Iveco superAV in an update which gives wheeled IFVs to all countries (almost all of them have ones)
And also it might be the fact that the Ariete armor is completely inaccurate.. I mean so is for the other western MBTs but at least they have still armor
The ariete should have more composite and NERA armor on both LFP and UFP, the turret has a literal hole that they put as “spaced armor” but there should be steel or ceramic there not nothing
"Italy was on the losing side of the war"
well yes and no...
Fascist dictatorship of Mussolini joined the war in the Axis
The restored Kingdom of Italy joined the war with the Allies after the defeat of the fascists.
@@nevetz845 the kingdom didn't join after the defeat of the fascists. After the 8th of September (armistice) the king and the higher military grades escaped in the part occupied by the allies. Leaving the army completely without any orders. The kingdom actually fought the fascists with the allies.
@@Dan86130
The king declared the armistice and Mussolini was arrested, then he was liberated by a joined operation and italy was split into the allied territory and ISR (italian social Republic) with the germans and Mussolini.
They still kind of got the "loser" treatment, just in a Beta version.
Although they didn't have to endure foreign occupation, they had to give/return a lot of previsously owned land and colonies and of course, war reparations had to be payed
I know, this is just a joke, but I felt like dropping some knowledge
Definitely "yes", they didn't participate actively on the Allies side.
the Italian tech tree is in general really nice, filled with a lot of decently capable and fun vehicles.
actually centauro at 8.0 is op
Me me love all the wheeled vehicles
@@harits3183 it's really not, I've driven it. But it is very very strong.
@@DominusRexDK yep its performance only good at some maps, in sniping maps it can be a very good sniper with its laser and thermals, but in snow its bad
@@DominusRexDK but gun depression and large hull does make it difficult at times
I am an Italian main in-game. I am in love with their anti-air and TD line and even their MBT line is perfect for my playstyle. Survivor ability is definitely an issue but firepower/mobility/spotting capabilities are still excellent. They are almost as good as Germans.
Tried the AB 43 in Rank III?
Do it
Its Very fun
braindead germains complained that germany suffers even tho its on par with other nations
*DOLLAR PLAYS HAS JOINED THE CHAT*
Wait, is he from Italy?
@@p_filippouz he's from Lithuania
@@puszzydestroyr69yesthatsga7 then why refer dollar on a Italian related video?
Because he uses Italian TTS?
@@p_filippouz idk ask the author of the comment
dollar plessi
Please put the italian Dardo, Dardo with 60mm, Freccia, Centauro Draco, B2 centauro, centauro 155/39, M60 of LEONARDO and P43 bis
Keep commenting
All hail the P43s and the 3 variants we could get in game
@@mlc36tva14 they’re paper tanks tho
And also the Palmaria 155
@@raptor2-40delta2 well no a wooden prototype was built
next up; climbing the ranks: Italian IFVs! oh wait.....
If only..
Except from the disappointing dardo is there another one ?
@@user-wb1ww1py2f There’s many, Fiat 6616, of-24 tifone, Freccia ifv, c-13, Iveco super av... ect.
@@user-wb1ww1py2f there’s the Dardo 25mm with Spike missiles, Dardo with add on composite armor and 30mm gun and spike, Dardo with 60mm gun and 2 second reload, Freccia IFV with 25/30mm guns and Spike, Iveco VBA amphibious vehicle with 30mm gun and spike
Italy always was always ahead in terms of light vehicles since our terrain is more suitable for IFV than MBTs
i can't understand why Gaijin add THOUSANDS of leopards and never italian tanks
you will add the italian Dardo IFV and the Freccia based on the Centauro in the next major update
Oooooh you will add the Italian Dardo IFV and the Freccia based on the Centauro in the next update oooooh
or maybe a 10.7 jet
Hes not asking, He is demanding it.
You heard the man......chop chop
@@m1a1abrams3 yes they only have 1 10.3 jet( F104S?)
WE WANT THE DARDO, THE IFV
We have it
Hi from the future, hope you have it and are enjoying it
noo, the new Leonardi-Rheinmetall KF51!! new Italian MBT
I really like playing the Italian IFV we have in the game
Oh wait...
Hello from the future.
Good news
@@p_filippouz hello from the further future. they gave it too you 3 times. 2 of them are not to great, and the first one they added got nerfed and has a 10k SL repair cost. the tree still lacks cas and has received no other notable adtions besides the vcc80s
@@snepcheck2198 not good
what about italian IFVs?
*cough cough*
One day...
Bruuuuh
no dardo for you, enjoy your stug
@@tylerb2523 yes mister gaijin (*insert withered wojak*)
We need an IFV gaijin, like the Freccia
or the Dardo IFV^^
Yes gib plz )))))))
also m60t sabra, the coolest m60 search it on war thunder from like m60t aka sabra mk2 vote and comment
@@dontkev3001 Hey bud, I've got some good news
Hello past me, I'm from the future.
We got the dardo
Little correction Bruce, the new Ariete being worked on won’t have ERA, but will have many new tweaks and improvements that will allow it to close the gap, such as APS, new Thermals and improved armour.
No, the armor won't change, the new Ariete will have a more powerful engine, a re-engineered transmission and larger tracks, +new thermals and optics.. That's all
@@micheleromeo1662 nope, the new ariete will feature PSO+WAR package. I have the sources my man.
Thought I read it would be quite an overhaul and not just ERA
@@Iskads No ERA, at least for now. But yes a very major upgrade indeed. It’s supposed to extend its lifespan enough so Italy can have the next generation MBT by the time it’s completely obsolete.
@@nicho3051 I saw in a page that ariete have similarities of armour as the challenger on the front hull.
Could it be?
The Italian tanks had the P40s and Semoventes that were feared. The Italians has American tanks after WW2 that were modified. Then the OF-40s came along. Love those things.
Glad they're covering the most powercreeped vehicles in the game, still my favourite MBTs.
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When the pizza bias is too powerful gaijin finally made a video for it
ariete and powerful are two things i would not use together, especially in reference to warthunder
@rn_s25 super nut wow. One whole advantage. And it's not even best in class there
I'm Italian, thanks for making this video, also do you plan to add the centauro 2?
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@@nicho3051 self advertising is stupid
@@p_filippouz non è stupido. E' l'unica community al mondo, sia per war thunder che non, per discussioni e ricerche storiche su tutti i mezzi corazzati, aeroplani italiani. Al massimo, lo sarai tu
@@giubgiubbi3409 si ma farsi pubblicità così da soli è ridicolo
@@p_filippouz Non è pubblicità. Pubblicità vuol dire guadagnare, e lui non ci guadagna un cazzo. E di ridicolo ci sei solo tu che lo dici. Ha solo scritto che se voleva delle informazioni può visitare tale community, che lui gestisce.
Fun fact (if i'm not wrong): italy poland and Spain have made a team for build a new mbt.
The pizza CyberTruck is the greatest MBT
you ever just brick an abroomz with a 105mm HEAT grenade?
Marco, load the breadstick!
APFSDS?
*Breadstick, I don’t remember stuttering*
😐
@@nicho3051 ciao nicho
@@samuelegiuliani9492 Ciao ^-^
As someone that has played Italy for a good while (still haven't reached high ranks tho) i have to say the air and the tanks are amazing if you know how to play them. Most tanks are fast and teach you how to flank the enemy and also can count on a high firepower. Italy surely is hard to master, especially if you're new to the game but trust me when I say to you that they're way funnier to play than most mainstream nations
Recently update their Ariete's got that Dm53 rounds.. :)
I agree with you) Italy is good nation for having fun :3
❤🇮🇹
Plz add the centauro 2, the centauro 76/62 draco, the centauro 155/39 porcospino, the palmaria, the freccia and at least the dardo 👉👈
lol the draco is op
Italy is still missing a lot of vehicles for both ground forces, naval and the air force tech trees, or existing vehicles don't have full combat capabilities, like the SIDAM not having NVS, or the M42 Contrareo not being beltfed or the italian 47mms not having HEAT/HESH available.
At least for ground forces things like the VBM Freccia or the Dardo IFV are missing, armored gun trucks could be added as well along more AA platforms (R3 needs to be moved)
Also the Naval techtree is just filled with more of the same ships over and over, the Coastal Tree doesn't even have OTO-Melara autocannons except for the Sparviero, you'd expect italy to have plenty of 127mm Vulcano or 76mm Super Rapido, but no, the same patrol ship with 40mm bofors over and over, at least the top tier has Nettunos.
And a Rate of Fire buff to the Breda-SAFATs would be welcome, the US M2HB already fires at an unrealistic fire rate of 1000rpm, irl it only went up to 600, might as well buff others.
Wait, the Italians early 47 mm can have HESH?!
@@p_filippouz
EP M42 and EPS M42 are italian developed versions of both HEAT and HESH, the hesh thing is a little different, I still have to find italian documentation on the HESH thing but I've heard and read everyone compare it to traditional HESH
And yes, the 47/32 47mm 1935 guns could use either, the 100mm pen HEAT would help a lot, sweden gets post war bullshit APDS, why can't italy use stuff that was in service?
Ehhh siamo potenti noi, non vedo l’ora di provare il nuovo aggiornamento 🇮🇹🇮🇹
when you're playing an italian MBT with no FPE researched and a hit lights you on fire: *il mare eterno nella mia anima starts playing*
Man of culture I see😁
Ha-go:"I have the most under rated armor".
L3 33/c:"Behold...
...my soft armor like paper.
Actually, the angle on the l3 makes it very prone to ricochet. Or death. Most likely death.
Italy top tier Nowdays has new nickname!:
"Why even play italy when you can play germany"
Mfw 2a6 has gotten rid of the only redeeming factor of the arietes
sadness
@@hornetbear6256 yep
me playing china high tier: who do play any nation when you can play germany
@@mistapeper1283 why play tanks when you can yeet Vikhr.
Gib new Italian vehicles pls! I think everyone would love to see Freccia, Dardo, VBA ifvs; more OF-40 modifications: Thetis, mk.3, PRTL, Leone; C-13 variants; Centauro 105 serial variants and 2nd generation; WW2 guntrucks and other interesting vehicles)
What about italian navy crew voice lines?
Mamma mia
SIAMO STATI COLPITI IN CUCINA CAPITANO! TUTTA LA SPERANZA È PERDITA!
3:28 actually it was United Arab Emirates that used it not the saudi arabia
Correct the UAE
The proposed upgrade is also involving combining both the PSO Tipo II and WAR add-on composite kits, and outfitting it with a more powerful engine to make it more than a 64-ton paperweight. This upgrade (from my knowledge) is planned to enter service in 2025.
Freccia, dardo, leone, spaa cheetah prtl, ariete hitfact mk2, OF-49 mk3/mk2a1... I could go on but I plead you look into these please and thank you, keep up the great work so far Warthunder☺️
"uaglió! Cariga u pennette!"
* loads apfsds *
"ma tu si tardo? I penne Barilla AOOOO"
"Carica i rigatoni , al dente !"
@@mad_maxj65 ecco, avrò incubi sui rigatoni al sugo HESH. Grazie
@@Dan86130 per non parlare delle baguette apcr francesi , i baccalà ap degli inglesi e quegli hamburger aphebc da 600 g degli americani
Le penne barilla sono penose, consiglio penne grano duro "La Molisana", quelle aprono in 2 pure un Abrams
@@mad_maxj65 aerei nelle battaglie miste mentre sganciano le bombe: signora i limoni SIGNORAAA
What if the game didn't crash everytime you time you die on console
Simple fix, just don’t die. Clearly
You don't understand, it gives more immersion
I'm on console, the game didn't crash once after the New power update. Gonna see if it crashes in this update.
@@katyusha1283 no problems for me in the past Year or so, but my game already chashed 3 times this update
@@midaspool6229 We'll see if mine crashes too or not. Currently opening the game.
I would absolutely LOVE if they added italian IFVs like the dardo/ freccia. Sure spike missiles are very strong, but just make direct fire without the fancy fire and forget
The proposed upgrade is also involving combining both the PSO Tipo II and WAR add-on composite kits, and outfitting it with a more powerful engine to make it more than a 64-ton paperweight.
"Do you like using Italy Top Tier?"
Haha, L3 go zooooooom.
ariete : i have low armor, but high penetration.
leo2a6 : poor tank...
I'm still researching the Centauro ROMOR for my 9.0 lineup, but after that it's on to the Preserie, so I'll finally have my first top-tier MBT. I really love Italian vehicles, and I've done a ton of research on them since deciding to "main" Italy in War Thunder.
Speaking of the M47, the one in the Italian tech tree is actually the Spanish M47E2 using an Italian gun, not the actual M47 tanks produced by Italy. You can tell by the track armor, only the Spanish had the ones with sharp angles, whereas the Italians kept the curved ones like on the original M47 and M60. Not like I ever expect Gaijin to correct that mistake, as Italy has been put on the back burner for a long time, just thought I'd point it out once again.
No no? It’s the Italian one, pictures and sources prove it.
@@nicho3051 Pictures of the M47s produced by Italy (that's the key here) are few and far between, but they are not the tank currently in their tech tree. Look up the Spanish M47E2, a native variant not used anywhere else, and it matches the one we have perfectly.
I've had very lengthy discussions about this on the game's forums with some very knowledgeable people, the ones who showed me the sources for the Italian M47s, not just the ones they initially got from the US or those built by other countries using their 105mm gun.
@@ODST_Parker I have a whole section of pictures dedicated to Italian M47’s, I can guarantee to you none of them were Spanish. They might look similar but the M47’s were Italian.
@@nicho3051 Could you possibly link me to it then? Because I've done my own research and I guarantee you that the only tank matching the one in the Italian tech tree is the M47E2.
I played 10 matches today, and 7 of them crashed mid game
No... No I don’t think I will
I’m finishing up the German tech tree and then moving to the americans
Ariete is honestly way underrated, it's probably the MBT I perform best in and the turret traverse really helps you getting out of trouble or sending a shot downrange just a tad quicker than your opponent
Overall the Italian Tech Tree is pretty fun to play although they are lacking some in Vehicles and their ridiculous repair costs makes it somewhat ignored, especially their Rank IV Italian Fighters.Can Italy get some love?Lower the Repair Costs and that's just the thing I need for Italy.
Germany: Just throw on some tracks!
Russia: Put angled armour komrad, that always works
USA: Put armour EVERYWERE
Italy: TO HELL WITH ARMOUR
Ok how about you add italian original vehichles.
Italy made a concept of the c2 ariete, never gone to production, it would be cool to have a new 10.7 italian MBT for the next major update, you can also add the AIF freccia equipped with 2 atgms to counter small millimeter light tanks, and as wargaming did the heavy italian tech tree
I wish that tanks had something of this firing control system, something like the planes has with the ballistic computer...the most sophisticated tank in the world and we can only use its NVD and laser rangefinder
Yes, you shoul'd think about adding IFVs DARDO and FRECCIA in the next update, and we are Also about to star production of a new generation centauro, so Keep that in mind... just saying ;)
Anyways, yes guys you should think about improving a bit the italian top tier, because nowadays we are so obsolete and badly equipped even if you confront us with america, or germany, or england... we are making some serious spaghetti things now.
But keep on going gaijin, you are doing a nice job
If you kind folks at Gaijin would, please add the VCC 80 Dardo IFV to Italy. It'd be an excellent addition to their roster, in keeping with their fast and punchy play style, while providing them further options at top-tier as well.
I wish the P43 and the P43bis tanks to be added into the game if possible.
Italy needs heavy tanks.
this would be awesome
@@JESUS-airsoft_ Those tanks would be so cool to have in War Thunder.
So OF-40 is basically a leopard, but it has higher br, because statistics.
Well, the OF-40 does have a laser range finder and decent mantlet armor
@@particleboy7757 I agree with the range finder part but its mantlet armor doesn't bounce at all, especially against shells it faces on its BR
Also bettwr optics
Trust me the OF-40 is much better than the Leopard. But that doesn’t mean the Leo 1 should be a 7.3 or the OF-40 should be 8.0
I mean the P43s would be a nice addition to the game to help flush out the 3rd rank with some actual italian desigs
I like using Italian MBTs from a distance, because the armor is subpar. Thought its hard to do that on most maps... because they aren't big enough.
FIX SERVERS, FREEZE AND FPS DROPS
Dardo would be nice
B2 as well
Maybe a C2 if they get their hands on it, and add 11.0
Not the Draco SPAAG, that'd be broken
Why all vehicles look like from gta3 in spectate mode and sometimes while playing them, but.... This update solved a lot crashes and increased my FPS! And now I can finally play at Low settings, thanks so much dev team!
This year the first prototype of Ariete AMV will be presented to the army. The mid life upgrade should make the Ariete enough capable for the next 10 years then we will throw it away.
Well not really, they will just put in place the upgrades that were supposed to come about in 2002.
If it was 2002, we could say that it will make the tank capable for the next 10 years, but seeing that it is 2021, we say that it will be less obsolete
Pizza=Delicious
That means
Italy Machine=Delicious
I'm Italian and I can confirm, this is true
Everyone: wE W@nT DaRd0!1!
Gaijin: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that
Add: Dardo, Freccia, b2 centauro, ariete with the new next update, m60, Oto C 13, first prototype of the p40, semovente 149/90
No more semovente please, I think we have more than plenty.
Gonna play the M47 105/55 and R3 with 2 recoilless rifles and then get to the OF40. Good timing
Man the Background music is so good
I'm loving these new visuals.
My favorite version of the italian mtb is the r3
Secondo me non sarebbe male aggiungere finalmente il pezzo da 90" e il Freccia
Gaijin Entertainment more like Gaijin
as a italian, i would like to drive the new born Centauro 2, the tiny dardo tank and the upcoming Ariete 2, now in development
Nice video 👍🏽
What a wonderfull game where you can also play Italian tanks! I hope they add the Dardo soon!
Ah yes the armored fiats. Truly pieces of masterfull engineering
my favourite ariete is the preserie variant because of the dm33 and with decent armour
That pizza goKart is truly the best MBT of all
This year the MLU is finally arrived for Ariete.
C2 is incoming. 😎👍
“Officini galileo” looks like Enzo Gorlami.
"Making the ariete into an italian leopard 2"
For top speed sure, but the ariete's are quite sluggish in game. I love them but they have no "get up and go"
yep, it has decent power to weight ratio and max speed but still sluggish
As someone who grinded italy as their first TT back when the best tanks were the 2A5 and long before Russian tank smap i was expecting a tank that had the least ammount of armor but the most powerfull shell in the game but once i got into top tier a year has passed and something like the 2A6 started to exist with DM53 making the only reason to grind italy get thrown into the garbage. It would be nice for italy to get something else than another ariete they are by far the worst tanks in the game right now after most other nations mbt's got thier high pen ammo added. There is no point of playing a glass cannon now when other nations glass cannons have accual protection and good optics
t90/t80: my armor is impenetrable
ariete: haha
The highest B.R italian vehicle I have at all, is the 2 Fiat armored cars, 6614 and Aubl, and well they are good, but I am just trying to on and off progress further
I will we ever see the maus tank come back to the game along with the e100
Enhance the penetration of the Italian 75mm APs that makes it worth seeing level 3.3 tanks penetrate only 79 mm of armor, when the minimum thickness of armor and 80 mm lateral or front of any wagon. Above all note that M4 has 91 mm of penetration with a speed of 500 m/s and instead the Italian urination is 79 mm of penetration with 630 m/s of speed. the Chi-Nu has 103 drilling with its 75mm gun (which is the same in length as the Italian one) with a speed of 668 m/s!!!! So at least the Italian 75mm must have 90mm of drilling. and don't say it has HEAT that pierces 100 mm that hurt like ammunition.
YAY! I love Italian Tanks!
If you’d like to learn more or are just generally interested in Italian vehicles feel free to join my discord!
discord.gg/DeY5KBH
@@nicho3051 ight thanks mate, I'll consider it.
BELLO!
pls add the IFV Dardo and the VBM Freccia
will you add the dardo and the freccia for italian army?
Italy is my favourite tank line, And I have the complete tech tree and good 90% is spades, I adore the Ariete and centauros, But Italy is lacking one HUGE thing every nation has in game, A propper autocannon IFV! Like the Dardo, US has like 3 or 4 variations of the Bradley, USSR has 4 BMP's Germany has the Begel, China has bmps too, Japan has far out the best of them all, The Type 89, Britain has the Warrior and a adats/Bradley Sweden and their auto cannons.......Where's our Italian ones? Or French ones, PLEASE add them D:
gaijin moment
Video idea: roket tank destroyers triathlon, or early whealed cars triathlon
i love italian top tier lineup
Hey guys love the video is there anyway you can make it to where all the Jaguars if they have a bomb load they can get Interceptor spawn because it's really hard to get off the Runway with a full payload
P 75 and cant seaplanes when?
About to finish the whole Italian tech tree both air and ground due to how little the amount of vehicles there are and am SL broke due to how expensive they are.
i just saw how simillar ariette is to ztz96
armor really undesirable
good gun
mobillity could be better
and looks simillar
0:40 the P26/40 was not promising at all. It had no hull escape hatches for the driver and assistant driver, inadequate and obsolete leaf spring suspensions, obsolete armor configuration. Furthermore, according to the italian designation, it was designated as a heavy tank even though it weighed only 26 tanks when a true medium tank like the sherman weighed around 30 tons
To summarize: too little too late
It is old italian tank classification mistake - all they tanks is light if we use, for example, russian/soviet classification. Italians firstly design tanks to fight in mountains :/
Italian MBTs in wt were good because they could pen anything, but now russian MBTs eat rounds a German tank with a 70% win rate was basically upgraded with a higher penning round and that tank the leo 2a6 has more armor nice going gaijin
What’s the point when it takes you a full year just to get most of them
More like 5 months (no premium)
I play on xbox and every time I try to get into a plane in ground rb the game crashes. This needs to be patched
It started the day of the update and doesn't matter what servers I'm on
I have the same problem, but after every game I have to reload due to me not having “cross platform capacity”
When the CV13 ifv multiolatform, the dardo, the porcupine, the palmaria, the Draco, the freccia, the of40 with Thetis thermal sights, the of40 based heavy ifv, the of40 based twin 35mm spaag?
Scusa ti voglio solo correggere, si chiama C-13, e il “porcupine” non esiste, (se stai parlando del centauro con il 155mm si chiama tapiro)
Comunque se ti interessa veicoli italiani non esitare di entrare nel mio discord!
discord.gg/DeY5KBH
@@nicho3051 hai ragione, non sapevo si chiamasse tapiro, bensì porcospino (o almeno è chiamato così online)
@@alessandromazzini7026 e si La rai ha fatto un casinò, porcospino in verità è la C-RAM che Leonardo ha creato.