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The Brilliance and Paranoia of the First Ming Emperor

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
  • Zhu Yuanzhang, founder of the 276-year Ming Dynasty, is the second of only two Chinese Emperors who were born ordinary peasants.
    For a long time, I have been fascinated by his unique, against-all-odds story. In a previous video, I talked about the fall of the Ming Dynasty. Here, I want to wind back the clock and explore China's last peasant emperor and one of its greatest historical figures.
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  • @MH-ms1dg
    @MH-ms1dg 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    there was an account in a book on the history of chopsticks that on his first day, he executed an official who pointed out he was using his chopsticks wrong
    having grown up a peasant, the emperor was especially embarrassed about not knowing chopstick customs

  • @niqai.5523
    @niqai.5523 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Best portrait in history.

  • @wenzhicai5130
    @wenzhicai5130 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thre relationship between Zhu Yuanzhang and his wife Empress Ma, his son Zhu biao was very interesting. Empress Ma saved Zhu when he was under Guo Zixing's commond, and she also helped Zhu a lot when he became Emperor. She was Zhu's emational stabler in some sense. Many officers got away from deth by begging Empress Ma for their lives. As for Zhu Biao, the cwon price was the most dangerous job in Chinese history. But Zhubiao and Zhu Yuanzhang sheared their subordinae. The top there prime ministers in Zhu's governemnt were aslo the top three offciers in Zhu Biao's governor. (Li shanchang,Xuda,Chang Yuchun).It is one of the kind in Chinese history. Ma and Zhu Biao were the wife and son to Zhu Yuanzhang. Other concumbines and offsprings were more like giveaway as an Emperor. Zhu was on a ranpage after Ma and Zhu Biao died. In another way ,he was pitiful. He lost parents when he was young. He lost his wife when he was strong and he lost son when he was old.

  • @captainbongwater7790
    @captainbongwater7790 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    12:45 I like that little quip at the end. Great vid!

  • @chuabohao7354
    @chuabohao7354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    A sentence to describe the ming dynasty 'started with a bowl and ended with by a tree'

  • @sodadrinker89
    @sodadrinker89 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    You get a similar situation in England, where the Black Prince dies, then Richard II happens, then Henry IV overthrows him. All happening at more or less the same time.

  • @dtenca5341
    @dtenca5341 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The first picture of the guy looks like he could be a Habsburg

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Oh please, the first picture is NOT the real image of Zhu Yuanzhang, he misinformed us.
      That image he used was the drawing by Qing era artist, that artist of course never saw the real face of the first emperor of the Ming. There's a real drawing of Zhu Yuanzhang from Ming era which is in 10:38.

  • @zhubajie6940
    @zhubajie6940 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    His tomb in the springtime is a quite beautiful spot in Nanjing.

  • @TheWoodstock2009
    @TheWoodstock2009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    OOOk so the point you make at the end about the growth in household registration stopping is interesting but might be flawed.
    I'll preface by saying I know next to nothing about the early Ming, but during the Qing a similar phenomenon happened of quick recovery of registration which then plateau'd and "stopped" generally around the late Yongzheng reign. (Emperor Yongzheng, coincidentally, was quite similar to Hongwu in that he was a strict rules-first authoritarian). The thing is, during the rule of Kangxi, he became dismayed at the seeming lack of population growth (which, in a predominantly agrarian society, is pretty parallel to overall economic growth as the court knew)...until someone decided that maybe the figures could be wrong somehow.
    During the Qing (presumably so under the Ming too) household registration was also tax calculation, so if your household was not registered you would not pay taxes, and this of course created all sorts of corruption. So Kangxi eventually decided to announce that henceforth tax targets would be capped at the amount of people (by then the government was registering individuals and not households) existing at the year of the declaration. In other words, the state would collect the same amount of taxes even if the population grew. Mysteriously, during the officially registered population grew by tens of millions. Of course, both the tax waiver and the fact that by the Kangxi reign the Qing was quite stable are equally useful in explaining this growth. Now of course this meant that the state revenues would not grow as long as the promise was held and that turned out to be a big issue in the long run...
    So, in conclusion, around the later Hongwu reign growth was "stagnating", but it's quite possible that simply the state was becoming too good at enforcing taxes and so passive resistance was making people (and lower officials who could collect taxes from all their residents and then keep the extra from unregistered households) avoid the registration. Again, I know nothing about Hongwu, but this seems very likely

    • @Asianometry
      @Asianometry  3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Interesting answer. Thanks for sharing. You know your stuff.

    • @wongkeehan
      @wongkeehan ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh hey. I think I remembered that. Qing bad some serious issues getting revenue for themselves. Which meant that everything they did eventually crumbled to dust due to lack of money

  • @thecia4202
    @thecia4202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Idk, I think there's plenty of evidence the jianwen emperor is still alive

    • @kvnrthr1589
      @kvnrthr1589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Last seen in Argentina with Tupac

    • @Islamunitedpeople
      @Islamunitedpeople 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/aiGhgfLnNl4/w-d-xo.html

    • @Lukeclout
      @Lukeclout 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Still ; his uncle deserved the throne better.

    • @never4ever386
      @never4ever386 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He’d be dead by now 🙄

  • @purplepunch4904
    @purplepunch4904 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I dont know why but Emperor Diocletian and Emperor Zhu Yuangzhang have always reminded me of one another

  • @ThatGmoney
    @ThatGmoney 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Like your voice is dry as it comes. Like watching paint dry, dry, but at least you try to be you and tell us how this is. I like that!

  • @hidefreek6905
    @hidefreek6905 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    His grandson (Yvwen) and his son (Di) weren't bad.
    However, Zhu Yuanzhang himself crushed the economy and destroyed many prospects of the Ming Dynasty.
    He wished the peasants to be the first class of the empire but he destroyed the merchant class which was the main logistic system of the empire. (The reason for Merchants of Chinese to were rich was because they held logistic abilities that many government officials couldn't do or risk being framed as treason)
    Zhu Yuanzhang is one of the worst tyrants in Chinese history.
    His emotion is law and he would exterminate the entire family because he could do it. (The tale of three painters was so terrified for how he exterminated entire families because he though they're right but I don't like it)
    (Empress Ma was the one who stopped the meaningless massacre but after she passed away, the emperor slaughtered everyone for his own pleasure)

  • @merveillem001
    @merveillem001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    From being a monk to having hundreds of concubines👀

  • @noahpeng1689
    @noahpeng1689 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Zhu Yuanzhang's achievements were extraordinary. But he distrusted the bureaucracy. Like an ancient version of Mao Zedong.

  • @Ashtereth
    @Ashtereth 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    'Likely dead as of 2020' had me on the floor

  • @dewittbourchier7169
    @dewittbourchier7169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This is not relevant directly to this video but why is Qin Shi Huang so often held up as a bogeyman as opposed to the man who unified China? I know he was a tyrant but he also did something people would have thought impossible and he understood well how important food was, something not every Chinese ruler has.

    • @treskro3
      @treskro3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Probably a matter of history being written by the winners. Both the subsequent Han dynasty as well as the Confucian elite had an interest in demonizing Qin as much as possible to justify their own legitimacy in moralistic terms

    • @dewittbourchier7169
      @dewittbourchier7169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@treskro3 Perhaps but this does not explain why the confucians turned on Cao Cao. The first drafts of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms featured him as the main hero. Then he became a 'villain' albeit from a western POV I don't see how he is. He is chivalrous, generous, merciful, he gives land to peasants instead of just weeping over their plight, he surrounds himself with people of ability - even if they used to be his enemies and he runs his kingdom for the benefit of all. I use that as an example to say, I don't understand why from a Confucian perspective that makes him a bad person.

    • @dutchmilk
      @dutchmilk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dewittbourchier7169 Cao Cao was cruel as well. He slaughtered cities full of people. Aside from that, from a Confucian point of view, Cao Cao committed the most hideous crime - replacing the emperor power with his, and override the entire Han court.
      Do understand, Confucious ideology was useful to maintain a top down power structure. Cao Cao disrupted this power structure. He also killed Bian Rang and Kong Rong, both well known in the scholar class which studies and follow confucious doctrine. This was not helped when he make a habit of killing people who served him well and were well respected like Cui Yan and isolate and abandon former aid like Xun Yu when the latter advise Cao Cao against of declaring himself as King of Wei.
      Historically, he also killed Hua Tuo. Huo Tuo death was a great loss to the medical development in China. Cao Cao is a very complex man. He achieved great peace and also committed greater sins.

    • @lyhthegreat
      @lyhthegreat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@treskro3 not really, shiji was written during the han dynasty, but the writer shima qian was well- known for being turned into a castrated man because he insulted Liu bang, the founder of the han dynasty, saying he was a despicable man that broke a signed peace treaty against xiang yu...and xiang yu was both recorded as a tyrant but also a respectable man.

    • @lyhthegreat
      @lyhthegreat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dewittbourchier7169 western POV? in the novel it was obvious how the author portrayed cao cao as a villainous hero right from the get go..

  • @imsonicnoob2112
    @imsonicnoob2112 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That thumbnail looks like a true Habsburg

    • @dianebrady6784
      @dianebrady6784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "other than the chin..what's not to like????"

    • @Orgil.
      @Orgil. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Habsburg but made in china

    • @tryingtomakeplaylist
      @tryingtomakeplaylist ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Orgil. Wishburg

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh please, the first picture is NOT the real image of Zhu Yuanzhang, he misinformed us.
      That image he used was the drawing by Qing era artist, that artist of course never saw the real face of the first emperor of the Ming. There's a real drawing of Zhu Yuanzhang from Ming era which is in 10:38.

  • @KennyDog
    @KennyDog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I am Chinese, my favourite emperor is Hongwu Emperor Zhu Yuanzhang. Just because he was a beggar then finally became emperor. By the way, his opponent was Mongolian.

    • @Islamunitedpeople
      @Islamunitedpeople 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/aiGhgfLnNl4/w-d-xo.html

    • @ihl0700677525
      @ihl0700677525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yea, kinda similar to Chandragupta Maurya (the founder of Mauryan Empire). By the way, his opponent was the then invincible Greek/Macedonian (Maurya was a contemporary of Alexander the Great).

    • @dianebrady6784
      @dianebrady6784 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm American. My favorite emperor is WuZa Tien. She started as a concubine and was China's ONLY female emperor.

    • @aridutta4927
      @aridutta4927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dianebrady6784 It's Wu Ze Tian...

    • @user-kq5pj9py9c
      @user-kq5pj9py9c 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dianebrady6784 武則天
      我喜歡大明帝國
      來自台灣

  • @holarryho
    @holarryho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    12:45 Who are you thinking off?

    • @TheWoodstock2009
      @TheWoodstock2009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      sounds like mao zedong to me

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh please, the first picture is NOT the real image of Zhu Yuanzhang, he misinformed us.
      That image he used was the drawing by Qing era artist, that artist of course never saw the real face of the first emperor of the Ming. There's a real drawing of Zhu Yuanzhang from Ming era which is in 10:38.

  • @Argentarius11
    @Argentarius11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done!!!

  • @sinoroman
    @sinoroman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    maybe the neo-han dynasty would have been a better choice? i guess we'll never know for sure
    the ming dynasty had minor growth which was better than absolute stagnation

    • @Asianometry
      @Asianometry  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Doing better than absolute stagnation shouldn't earn you the Mandate of Heaven, I would think.

    • @sinoroman
      @sinoroman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@Asianometry might be true but the government did its best. they tried to abolish slavery, but had to keep the practice at a minimum when they couldn't abolish it completely. i don't want to ramble on about qing, but i think the ming government did better than qing. yeah, ming wasn't the greatest in the world at that time but government tried to serve the people as much as they could and help tributary states when appropriate
      (looking forward to your next video!)

    • @cpx9707
      @cpx9707 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Ming kicked out the Mongolian dynasty-Yuan. That was all that matters. Because the Mongolian dynasty treated Han Chinese as the lowest human being. For that only, I like Zhu Yuan Zhang, a person risen from a beggar to an Emperor was very impressive.

  • @exe2519
    @exe2519 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like this emperor, but for me zhu was cruel but badass when cames from leadership and intelligence and somehow is very good to encourage the agriculture and the society of china.

  • @yanyanz3011
    @yanyanz3011 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Oh please, the first picture is NOT the real image of Zhu Yuanzhang, he misinformed us.
    That image he used was the drawing by Qing era artist, that artist of course never saw the real face of the first emperor of the Ming. There's a real drawing of Zhu Yuanzhang from Ming era which is in 10:38.

  • @shazmosushi
    @shazmosushi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm liking the increased comedy in the captions

    • @Asianometry
      @Asianometry  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Sometimes you just gotta have fun with it. Especially when you're making so many videos each week.

  • @playboygoss
    @playboygoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you make a video about the Imjin war ?

    • @Asianometry
      @Asianometry  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It would be out of my wheelhouse but I can take a look. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • @johnl.7754
    @johnl.7754 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting Thanks

  • @MeetJohnnyNg
    @MeetJohnnyNg 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonder what is the next dynasty in China.

  • @rohitrai6187
    @rohitrai6187 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't hear any voice

  • @nathanmerritt1581
    @nathanmerritt1581 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why did they drew a picture of him like that? WTF?!

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh please, the first picture is NOT the real image of Zhu Yuanzhang, he misinformed us.
      That image he used was the drawing by Qing era artist, that artist of course never saw the real face of the first emperor of the Ming. There's a real drawing of Zhu Yuanzhang from Ming era which is in 10:38.

  • @jtes5604
    @jtes5604 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best paranormal empires

  • @MrChrist741
    @MrChrist741 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:30 bruh XD

  • @EpicIEO
    @EpicIEO 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Zhu Yuanzhang mog master?

  • @puppetguy8726
    @puppetguy8726 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, what was the deal with his Habsburg chin?

    • @ornature5324
      @ornature5324 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The original portrait had no Habsburg chin. However, folk tales said that he had a long chin and moles so they started painting him that way

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh please, the first picture is NOT the real image of Zhu Yuanzhang, he misinformed us.
      That image he used was the drawing by Qing era artist, that artist of course never saw the real face of the first emperor of the Ming. There's a real drawing of Zhu Yuanzhang from Ming era which is in 10:38.

  • @helengao6093
    @helengao6093 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If Chen youliang thinks he can bring back the Han dynasty then I kinda wonder if the Holy Roman Empire was the reserection of the Roman Empire.

  • @SonOfTheOne111
    @SonOfTheOne111 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’d say Mao is the last peasant emperor…

    • @cpx9707
      @cpx9707 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He didn’t appoint his own children to his position. Your opinion is wrong. Unless today China’s leaders all have his family name, Mao, otherwise your statement makes no sense.

    • @SonOfTheOne111
      @SonOfTheOne111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cpx9707 So if you don’t hand your power down to your son, you are not an emperor? Is your brain broken? I can name dozens of emperors who did not hand power to their sons! 😂

    • @kokfoongsoo2480
      @kokfoongsoo2480 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@SonOfTheOne111how is Mao an emperor when the country is communism, not monarchy? Sometimes people labelled as they like (communist, emperor etc)..whatever suits their narrative. In life, we have to be intelligent and learn to think critically so that we can make fair and correct decision, and not be a pawn of others.

  • @andyv8889
    @andyv8889 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a well made Hong Kong series about this story from the 80’s? I want to watch.

    • @yanyanz3011
      @yanyanz3011 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Never watch Hong Kong made movies or tv series about Chinese historic background. They are always using wrong clothing and hair style depicting the Ming dynasty or other China's dynasty.

  • @vintageb8
    @vintageb8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You got the birthdate wrong

  • @bellatordei3440
    @bellatordei3440 ปีที่แล้ว

    Autocratic and feudal are oxymorones

  • @jmpht854
    @jmpht854 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like Mao...

  • @mrniceguy7168
    @mrniceguy7168 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mao Zedong’s hero.

  • @quanzaylundy7359
    @quanzaylundy7359 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems a little unwise in here

  • @rockandroll7017
    @rockandroll7017 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't understand why u american love to study n know china why not american history😅

    • @prateeksharma6706
      @prateeksharma6706 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because evreyone loves to know about each other