Scaling UP Stakes on a Limited Bankroll (Tips From a Professional)
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- Navigating the financial landscape of poker can be as challenging as the game itself. Poker coach Bart Hanson shares his expert advice on managing your bankroll and moving up in stakes. This video is for small stakes live cash games players looking to move up to the next level. This video is perfect for poker players who are aiming to grow their bankroll and climb the stakes ladder. It’s especially beneficial for those managing limited funds.
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Do you have personal bankroll rules you like to stick to in regards to stepping up a level? Let's hear some opinions.
Bart, where i play in The Netherlands we have a 20 EURO cap at 2/4 EURO blinds and 5% rake.
What do you think of that rake and cap structure?
I can not step up there because that is the highest stake they offer and the same is true for the only other casino that is available to me in a range of 75 km.
Love your vlogs as always.
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4% of my bankroll
@@fransfermont6193 20 Euro cap on 2/4 euro blinds? Nah...that's too high cap. Perhaps 10-12 euro cap would be the optimum, man.
I only play micro stakes online right now, but I have a rule of thumb that I play in stakes where I have between 30-40 buyins in my bankroll. Once I get above that, I will buyin to the next level of stakes occasionally. If I do well at those stakes, I will keep playing but if I lose say 5-10 buyins I will go back down to build the bankroll back up.
My wife gladly spends my poker bankroll.
Very polite of the host not to call bullshit on the caller's $50k profit playing 2/5, when the whole point of the call was to brag about winning $20-30 hourly (was it $20 or $30, big difference at 1/2) over the best 15 session stretch of the caller's life.
the caller sounded like he was a huge fish
I've been beating my local $1-2, 1-3, and single $5 blind games for almost 2 decades now. It is an awful grind at times. I do like keeping my poker money separate because it prevents me from dipping into it. If I keep all my money together then I may spend too much to the point where I can't play if I have a downswing. I've learned this from personal experience. My advice as an amatuer is to do what works for you to accomplish the goals you want to reach. If your goal is to play in a higher stakes game and you have the money for a buy in then go for it. There is no reason to try to build up to your goal when you are already there.
What’s your advice on starting at 1-3 100bb max with a $4.5k bankroll plus a regular job on the side? Should I just play 2-5 and buy in for a shorter amount ? Or can I still make a profit at 1-3 and grind it out till I reach the higher stakes ? I want to take this poker thing a little bit more serious but haven’t come with a full decision yet. I’m more than willing to put the hours on the table and off.
@jeffreysaldana677 it really depends on where you are playing and what works for you. Game selection can be the most important decision. At my local poker room, the $1-3 game is so soft while the bigger stakes games can be very swingy depending on varience. I prefer the $1-$3 game for now because I don't have a bankroll to balance out the swings that the Big O and $2-5 games can bring. I would study the different games, and try to figure out where you can get the most profit. Make that game your goal and build up enough of a bankroll to where you can play it regularly. With 4.5K bankroll you have 9 buy ins at 2-5, assuming the 100bb cap. I would want about 10K bankroll before I played it regularly. You can probably take a shot at it right now for research to see how it is and how well your game fits.
Finally a video I can agree with 100%. If you have a full time job that allows you to have an entertainment budget, then 100% of that money can be in play.
Let's say you can afford to put $100 a paycheck aside each pay-period, cool. All you need is 2 buy-ins and you are good to go. Can you lose it? Sure but you have a job to start over with.
My BRM strategy is "I'm allowed to put $200 in my poker money every paycheck until I have $1,000 in it" (by means of deposits and winnings) at that point it is self-sustaining and I no longer add money from paycheck. If it grows over $10,000 I bank the excess funds into savings account.
Keep track all year long and pay taxes on the winnings only, I don't itemize just put the net winnings for the year into other income, done.
Pay taxes on the winnings? From cash games? At these low stakes? My friend, if you do, you’re possibly the only one.
@@bradboetig75 Why wouldn't you? I know lots of people who play 2/5 and pay tax every year.. it sux, but getting caught NOT doing it is worse.
If you have a full time job and pay taxes at that job you've done enough my friend. Instead of paying taxes on gambling winnings, keep that money aside in cash and or chips, at some point in your poker career your KK will lose 5 straight all ins vs AK, QQ, AA etc and you'll need that money to replenish the roll and the IRS will not let you deduct that so do yourself a favor and don't give it away to them. If you gamble full time then yes you need to pay taxes on that but you're fine in your situation bro.
Have been playing and dealing for 20 years. Have never heard of a player with a payroll job paying taxes on their cash game winnings. Literally never. Also have literally never heard of a person getting "caught." How would that even happen? Casinos don't get or give win loss records for cash game players. How would anyone but you ever possibly know the amount you owe? Tournament scores over 5k profit are reported so you can't avoid that. But reporting cash is absolutely silly.
The interest rate in a savings account is so low, it isn’t worth contributing to from your bankroll.
Shark tank in Columbus ohio has a 30$ flat rate fee per day, open from noon till 2am. No rake, it is only game I will play 1 2 at. It still amazes me the amount of players that play the casino in Columbus instead because it doesn't feel like they are taking that much.
$30 per day?? Any limit on the hours that can be played in a day? Is it busy? Can you get a game on a Monday morning or other non-peak times? Thanks.
They have same set up in Portland Meadows, Oregon… $20 daily membership, 11am to 2am, running 1-2,1-3, 5-5, …. Much better than any casino set up
yea i go to the casino because i live 5 mins away. they still take 2$ out for the bad beat or they use too?
Opens at noon and closes at 2am every day. They give away a 10$ gas card if you get there before 2pm too. Flat rate 30$.
Great video, I play a lot of poker at the 1/2 stakes and the rake is ridiculous but if the action is good and loose I can still profit.
I track every poker session, YTD playing 1/2:
216 hours played
$5,953 profit
Cashed 31 of 43 sessions
Avg session is 5 hours
Hourly rate is $27.57
Thats very solid keep it up!
Nice to have a real pro say $1/$2 is so hard to beat with the rake… u gotta bink a torney if u wanna get a poker career going
Many people say this because it's 100% factual
false
@@souljah8720 nothing better then a 2 year old 1 word response
@@chriskoshinski u don't have to bink a tourney to get a poker career going. your statement is not "100% factual"... its false. only one word needed XD
Thanks Bart this helps a lot. I didnt know the bankroll management rules regarding how many buyins and risk of ruin was mostly made for professionals that can't "ruin". I havn't been moving up even though I'm beating my games specifically because I'm trying to be dicipline and adhere to the bankroll management guidlines of X amount of buyins to play a certain game.
Once you have discipline and a foundational understanding of no limit - just jump to 2/5. The pool is beatable and you will "feel" your bankroll grow. Do not grind anything less than 2/5 (in general).
Is this actually true? I’ve been playing poker a long time and when I sit at a 1/3 table, whether Vegas or my local game, I’m normally the best player at the table. I rarely sit at a 2/5 table, but when I do, it seems like there really isn’t an edge for me. Everyone seems to have a decent general idea of what not to do and how not to be a fish. So I always rationalize just to stay at 1/3 because the players are so bad.
I easily have a bankroll for 2/5 and have enough money to take shots at 5/10 if I wanted even though I never have. I just can’t get it out of my head that 1/3 is such easy money with people punting all the time. So I’m just comfortable there I guess. I have started to play 2/5 a little more. But every table I sit at I’m always thinking “there’s way easier money at 1/3”
@tipsy09 I have certainly found a few lower stakes games that are profitable. In my experience I have found that the edge you are describing can still be found at the 2/5 level. If you have had a different experience (sounds like it) you should continue to dominate that game.
@@tipsy09the only difference between 1/3 and 2/5 is that you should fold top pair top kicker more often lmao
Playing against the right people will build your bankroll faster than anything else. 95% of the time I play 1-3 and 2-3 because that's where people go to drink and have a good time and don't care about losing a few buyins. The higher you go the less of these people you will find.
I've played thousands of hours of live 1/2, 1/3 and 2/5 and have never had more than a 5 buy-in downswing. I know it is definitely possible, but as long as you can replace your bankroll if you lose it and you are a winning player. If you can afford to take a chance at 2/5 you should because the rake is a much better deal. A 1/3 $500 cap is the min we should be playing because the rake is a killer at anything lower.
That high number of bankroll applies to tournament poker, which is higher variance. The typical bankroll for cash game poker is 25-40 buy ins
Bart u seem to be the only person that is honest about how hard it is to beat these 1/2 tables especially on high hand and how just tight these games have gotten with table full of OMC’s 😂
I play a 1/3 game with a 500$ and I do well but the room I play in is not normal. There are endless bad players that seem to have a Lot of money to burn.
Really liked playing @ the Bike in LA. At the time u could buy in to the 1/3 for as little as $80. The food was very good especially for the price. The player pools seemed relatively small compared to Commerce. Highly recommend.
My 1-2 game is a match the stack which turns into or really plays like 2-5 game and sometimes into a 5-10 game but it's still a 1-2 game
Years ago I started with 100 and played 1.2
When my profits over 1000 I was play 5 10
When my profits over 10000 10 20 game.
Before the stones at the royal derby.
Napa valley, and bay 101.
This was great Bart… just what I needed to hear…. 🎉
1/2 game in Reno at peppermill plays deep. Match the stack, plays like a 2/5 table
I’ve logged 500 hours in the 1/2 game at Stones & “beat” it for $15/hour. The game was pretty easy but it was very difficult to beat the rake. Stones 1/3 day game has a lot of regs that know the game. Still beatable, but Thunder & Capitol are more profitable
4:55 what if the fish keep rebuying?
that's exactly what I say about my casino where they take alot
Can anyone explain to me how every time im playing 1/2 and theres some huge fish playing too many hands and making huge raises with garbage, theres always one or multiple people at the table complaining and or talking shit to the fish, and they maybe even request a table change? I feel even at 1/2 you can still beat the rake for a decent win rate because 90% of the people don't understand wtf is actually going on and that those are the people you make money off of long term. I don't say anything out loud about it obviously because i'm trying to make money myself but it always bothers the hell out of me how the vast majority of people have it totally backwards
Some people just want to sit there and basically play limit poker. They never win so they are always angry and annoyed. You will see an influx of these people say after the 3rd of the month after they get their ssi check. Easy to beat that game but it’s slow, boring , and $ per hour is low because 70% of table will not put in more that 20$ without being nutted
I definitely am a winning player at 1-2 stakes.. I win around 85-90% of my sessions.. The rake sucks but I still win.. Mostly off the players you described..
I’d rather play 1 hand an hour with the worst poker player ever than 100 hands an hour with Ivey.
@@WesBundy82
Nobody wins 85% of their sessions I don't care who you are for what stakes you are playing. What app do you use to track your sessions? Are you write it down in a little notebook or how do you keep track?
I've seen exactly what you are talking about so many times! I think you just have to realize what they are doing and that it's actually great for you because it brings out a LOT of opportunity for you. Let them get pissed, just don't ever become a part of it! The fish will mostly always be there. Just remember that when they call it out cash out, you get out asap pretty much cuz they're pretty much where you make 90% of your money. I would just be careful with saying anything to or about the angry players, frustrating as they may be. Just seems like the fish are more likely to get scared off of there's controversy going on or a lot of drama. They don't wanna deal with that. They came to poker to have FUN and who knows, maybe hit some hands and make some money or maybe even be around for one of those huge jackpot hands!
Just remember rule #1 around fish: DON'T tap on the glass!!
I disagree with Bart about 1/2. I beat it for $20 an hour and have been for years. Now I am beating it for $30 an hour over many hours. When the 2/5 game sucks here because it is am OMC coffee fest I try and find a good 1/2 game. But there is a caveat.
#1 minimum stack average needs to be ~$150 but you have to have some that are $200-$300.
#2 no stupid $60 stacks because these shorties limit what you can do.
#3 you need to raise like it's at least a 1/3 game. The goal is to make sure you get 1 to 3 players at most.
#4 a rake structure. Mine is now $6+$2. And yes the jackpot hands count toward your winrate but don't impact it much
#5 you need to be at the top of your game.
#6 you need to know player behaviors
#7 table select and change if you have to
#8 you need recs willing to call these raises
$20 an hour is possible at 1/2 $200, $30 an hour at 1/2 $300
This is the playbook. You need all these factors in your favor or 1/2 is unbeatable for any significant amount of money.
And I don't play like a nit either.
add on - no you can't make a living at 1/2
if 2/5 is filled with omc you play loose and win a lot of blinds, yea maybe you are not winning huge pots off fish like in the 1/2 but you can play aggressively and win a lot of little pots
@@danielhenry6777 The 2/5 day game has ~4 OMCs per table and they are at least competent. Not like normal OMCs. They can also be tricky. No recs during the day games either. The rest of the table is 2-3 grinders. Night games are 50/50 hit or miss. I played in good 2/5 games, trust me this one sucks.
The 1/3 is like 1/2 with more aggression and plays tougher than the 2/5 far game for me. But usually the table breaks up quickly.
Sadly I can't play at night. So I pick and choose my games carefully. Moving next year and I hope the poker rooms where I am moving too are better.
@@FuzzypupPokerlate at night is when the best games are
@@yungbruhmane8751 100% correct.
I built 14k poker bankrolll playing $1/3 $5max rake
Rake its why homegames are the best take peanuts to what they take at $1/$2 u gotta play $2/$5 to have a shot and unless ur in a poker down be lucky if u find one and if u do and it’s only 1 is it evens good game probably ppl that play poker all the time just like u
I've played with Mike Postle a few times recently at St. Croix Turtle Lake Casino in Wisconsin 😂
The balls on that guy...
Wtf is he doing in Wisconsin!? Ive been to that casino before and didn't even realize they ran games. Is there enough games going on?
All I know is that he better not be popping into the new Poto room in Milwaukee. I'll mop the floor with that fucker all day.
Mike "The GOAT" Postle, that is.
I hope you slowroll him
make sure he's not looking down at the phone on his lap during your hands haha
Lmao that intro was awesome
In Toronto all games are same rake across the room 10% max up to 20$! Is that okay for 2/5 game? Is there any value in playing 1/3 in that structure 300$ buy in max
Lol 1/3 $20 max rake? Whoever plays that is crazy. Is that underground?
@@tipsy09 no it's in only legit casino in Toronto area . Everything else with 15$ max rake is 1 and 2 hrs away.
@@bozapub3507 someone needs to open their own club
In Toronto most people play underground games. You can't beat casino rake and there's games $5 max rake
@@sandaking834 I don't like underground games because they can be rigged,over raking or with same 20$ rake. I'm sure there are some "good" games in that sense but I don't know them.
Hey! Anyone mind telling me what kind of win rate per 100 I would need to beat a 2/3 game $500 cap, with 10% rake capped $15? Is this beatable rake?
What do you think about 1/2 at the lodge in round rock?
what is the rake structure there? That's technically like a member's club right? or like just a straight up poker room, not a casino. Is it time-raked, or like a flat fee?
$11 per hour, drinks and snacks are complimentary (except booze)@@danradke98275
10$ an hour fee with weekly, monthly pr yearly membership
@@anhphan4030 That's awesome. I live in WA, and most cardrooms here have such an insane rake structure. They take a flat drop out of every pot and I believe it's 16% up to $50, so a max of $8 out of every pot. And then i think they automatically take $3/$4 out of every pot for a BBJP even if it doesn't go to a flop.
Jesse The Body Ventura plays 1/2? Interesting.
This call makes no sense. Hes built a 50k BR at 2/5 but is asking about a 1/3 BR. Anyway, if u have a job, it depends how often u want to play. Once or twice a week can play on a short roll because u can wait til ur paycheck. Almost everyday needs a bigger roll because u cant wait til ur paycheck.
😂 I highly recommend this player keeps playing a lot of poker tons and yes you’re gonna be a pro!
Is a 1/3 game 5% 15$ cap beatable?
I get so confused by the rake cause searching online everybody have a very different statments......
Still beatable but not worth it imo. Unless thats the only game u can play. Just cut down on your tipping to compensate and only tip 1$ if you win more than 100$
Most bankroll rules you see online are GUIDELINES for people who want to minimize their risk of ruin -- i.e., avoid going broke. Typically you want this as small as reasonably possible if poker is your only (or at least primary) source of income. For most of us, this isn't the case. Therefore, your bankroll rules should be set to what you are comfortable with and reflects your lifestyle. If you're living paycheck-to-paycheck, you'll want to minimize your risk of ruin as much as possible. If you have a good amount of disposable income, however, you can comfortably take shots at higher stakes. This is all of course, assuming you are a winning player in the long run.
Bart, they take up to $10 + $3 where I play $1/$3 match the stack
theres tons of action and tons of fish and tons of straddles (forward and button)
we're all often playing with 200+ bb
I do well there but i know you probably vommitted reading the 1st part.
It's pretty close to where I live. Is this a bad place to play cards in the long run? Should I be driving several hours to go play somewhere else?
Thank you Bart. I love your stuff
Where's this? If the players are bad and the game is deep it's plenty beatable. In fact I'd rather play a 10+3 game full of loose fish than a 5+0 game full of nits.
del Lago Resort and Casino in Waterloo, NY
So right Bart. Check talking stick right now. 2/3 with a $7 rake super tit nit players.
$100-$500 buy
0-10k is basically the same thing in terms of roll. No risk, no reward. Or no gamble, no future, if you will.
I heard something along these lines once and it stuck with me... Most people get rich by taking large risk with small amounts of money. Rich people stay rich by taking small risk with large amounts of money.
Love the videos Bart!
You can beat EVERY $1/2 and $1/3 game on this planet with +10BB/hr.
agreed barts been outta it for too long
I often hear advice coming from Bart that is just plain wrong about low stakes live games and it does seem like he's forgotten and is out of touch with the low stakes scene.
Bart: For villain to be good here, he would've had to have limped Aces, and that's highly unlikely.
Me, screaming at the video: "They limp Aces ALL THE TIME at $1/$3!"
Lol
This guy did not build a 50k bankroll playing 3/5
6:29 !
Playground just raised 2/5 rake to 10% $14 max
What is 1/3?
@@tipsy09 $11 max 10%
You know like..
It’s contagious! Had Bart doing it for bit there lol.
Don’t get Bart talking bout that California rake..
It is most certainly possible to beat 1-2 for 30 bucks an hour.
The 1-2 in Kansas City probably. It depends on how the game plays and the rake. Sometimes the rake is so high you can't beat the game. Sometimes they drop like $5 on the flop no matter the pot size then another couple dollars maybe more... Good luck
"That's never going to be sustainable whether it's on the positive or negative side"
I feel like I could sustain substantial losses over the long term :P
This may be the first video I've genuinely disliked and gained nothing from
Mohegan sun takes like $5 +$1 bb it might even be $6+$1 lol oh ya don’t forget to tip lmao
If this guy built a $50k bank roll playing $2/5 he already knows the answer to this question. There is very little difference between 1/2 and 2/3, there is a difference in play between 2/3 and 2/5. Just don't play in those games that don't allow you to buy in for at least 100bb because that's not real poker that's just all-in gambling.
gonna be petty here ... stop saying "like" so much Anthony my friend.
Yes.
not much of a difference between 1/2 and 1/3
Like like like
how many "likes" in these 12 minutes? gotta be several hundreds
“Cause like, I’m like, the king of like trying to play the biggest game in the room. And like, i only like have like a 5k bankroll. Do you like, think that’s okay?”
I can’t even listen to this guy.
but you did.
First!
I think I lost brain cells listening to this caller.
A 100 hours?? In year? lol I play over a 100 live a month hahahahha
Please learn better utilization of the English language so you don’t need to use “like” every 10 words.
The best way to play uncomfortably high stakes? Not doing it
I’d rather play 1 hand an hour with the worst poker player ever than 100 hands an hour with Ivey.
How many times will you post this same copy/paste comment?? 3 already so far in this vid 🤦♂️
@@mattstieg5388 only did twice. Why are you being Jealous of such a smart comment
bro stop going to thunder and come to Capitol. Theres ALWAYS a list in the morning because we run a daily tournament at 10AM. But as tables start breaking we open games. poker atlas allows you to put your name up for an entire hour.
Stop playing at shitty ass Stones. The match the stack at Capitol plays WAY bigger since people always have an obscene amount of chips.