I like the idea of 4 betting, seeing if villain flats in order to weed out AA and KK and AKs. Never thought of that before. In regards to “calling on the turn even though it might go check check and we lose”, if you took the pot odds % to call and you were more than that % sure you would be good in a check check situation, maybe there’s still merit in the $500 call.
It's really player dependent? I've tended to find successful/youthful/overly-aggression to be over represented in this demographic? Exactly against this player type & OOP what "defining" does a small C accomplish? It does get $ in the pot, but it also removes bluff opportunity for Vs, to a measure...so if we C & get called, where exactly are we? Not saying there isn't benefit (IMO it's +EV to C bet) but there's something to be said to calling down fairly light? It terrifies the bejesus out of the average/occasionally bluffy sort of table... Normally I'd bet my whole range, but then, if V raises anywhere, the SPRs in this exact instance will hurt "potential bluffing opportunity values.... Interesting hand ..and I'm an advocate for having the whole playbook available ...👍😁
You just better be willing to go with it - you're representing 88-JJ, and now he's going to represent Kx/AA - it's exactly what you want him to do - don't chicken out if he keeps doing exactly what you want him to do. He knows you could have KK, but he's not chickening out...yeah, he could have A5s...don't chicken out.
Yeah I think this is horrid call down. IMO QQ is much better blocking KQ hard for the flop/turn bets. Obviously hero has only TT-AA +AK, so TT is literally bottom of range here... Villain should have all 12 combos of AKo, even some AA and KK. But I guess maybe villain was stuck and he could pick up his energy through his soul crystal.
@@PhonyBolognaplus KQ and A5. TT like you said is the very bottom of his range on the river. If you call here you have no folds and that's not a very good way to play.
This is a MDA play. The premise being villains make more mistakes when checked to in position rather than when they face a CBet from OOP. Relying on data to reveal where exploitative deviation from GTO is a better play IRL.
@@tcgtej7897 Mass Data Analysis. Its an exploitative style approach used by looking at mass quantities of hand histories to look at where people under/overbluff and tend to be more value heavy.
You don't need MDA to spot a aggrotard that doesn't like money. MDA would show this type of player to be an anomaly. There aren't that many players that can sustain such heavy loses. 4bet pre, Check flop 100% against this player type might make sense but not against a player pool.
Here is the thing this guy has a ton of value and TT is the worst hand hero is ever going to show up with here so if he calls with this it means he literally has no folds. I don't play in a way that I have zero folds on the river with my entire range.
Bad calls on the turn and river, just got lucky the V was bluffing this time. A lot of pros never 5 bet in position, in that case AA, KK, AK, KQ, QQ, JJ are all in the V's range. Imagine how dumb the hero would look if the river goes check check and V wins with JJ.
Villain is definitely not good if they have 8h that they are just blasting off with. Seems like they are the type of opponent where they see check=weak, so they just mindlessly blast off. Against people like this, out of position, checking works quite well, as they auto default to wayyyy overbluffing in certain nodes.
Hero was weak though? Although yes Hero could do this with near nutted hands, it is also commonly likely that hero is weak here and calling down 3 very value like bets out of position with 10s, literally just a bluff catch
@@gxfr795 sure, and I do agree that TT is probably a dicey/low EV call. But, more importantly, I think that villain played this even more poorly. Not sure what 8x they have here that take this line. 87h? If they are just bluffing with 87h here, they are just wayyyy overbluffing. Conversely, hero's simple check on the flop, caused villain to make a 400bb mistake. If hero did a standard c-bet on this flop, villain likely snap folds. Having a good, protected checking range against shit-regs can absolutely print.
@@TheNow_Now There are a whole world of players that are successful with relentless aggression. it's not GTO. It's exploitative. It works because most players over-fold and most villains under-bluff.
@@OneEyedJack01 sure, I see it all the time. I just think that its the kinda mindless stuck in 2004 aggression style, where people will c-bet 100% in position. This call is the flip side of that, where villain punted 400bb, instead of what could have been a 40bb loss. My though is that if you are playing deep stacked 2/5+, you should have a more thoughtful approach then, check=weak, lets pile for stacks. Maybe it works against bad opponents who's checking ranges are completely unprotected, but people like hero in this situation end up just printing off it.
Hey Bart, love the content as always. Out of interest are you still using the same editor/designer for the thumbnails? I appreciate everyone is experimenting with AI to see what works and editing/creative decisions are still being made. I personally liked the consistency that the cartoon characters brought, as in it felt like all videos were part of a series (I assume these weren't AI generated, if they were then consistent style is higher than I've seen elsewhere). Anyway good to see you are always looking to push your content further (and speed up production), but I do think there are some tradeoffs with using AI
Been playing around Dallas for about 3 years, although they are splashy, there mistakes are very exploitable. If you can mix it up with aggression, exploitable actions, and take tricky lines, you'll be fine. I'm a loose aggressive player and I've been able to take advantage of a lot of the splashy players, actually they are my preferred players I like to play.
This is why this strategy can work (so long as the villain doesn't hit a face card, but this runout was clean so it worked nicely). I'm betting the villain had Ah8h and decided to turn it into a bluff if he felt his opponent had JJ or QQ
This is an interesting call. I quite like the callers analysis. I don't know how the villain plays. But it's not true that all of his foldings have to be 5b, especially this deep, and in this configuration. For example, hands like AKo and A5, UTG vs LJ are not always 5b, this deep, in position.
@@SuicidelG tbh I don't know about 400bb spots and have not looked at and sims for them since I don't play in games that deep, but 100-200bb EP vs MP AKo is mainly called and AKs is usually jammed. Usually, the deeper you play, the more you want to focus on suited variety, so wouldn't be surprised if it was 5b AKs/A5s, and mainly call AKo. I still think that it's worthwhile to play a no 5b strategy, especially in tight configurations, this deep and in position. Since, they are just incredibly hard to balance well, and most people just aren't studied enough in those nodes, myself included.
@@SuicidelGsimply not true. Balance your ranges around your value. 5! is specifically reserved for your best hands, AA and KK unless you’re super deep, which means your 5! bluffs are very few and far between. AKo (16 COMBOS) not a chance makes it in there. AKs is a 5! bluff, and it’s suited because it gives you that much more equity when called
I'm not sure I could make this call myself in the heat of the moment, but in retrospect the caller actually had a pretty good analysis of the fact that without villain 5betting how can he have a value hand on this runout?
Regarding the live stream, I think the lodge and hustler’s stream really hurt them. TCH has worse camera equipment and clarity, worse audio and only a couple qualified commentators in addition to less gambling, smaller games and less table drama. As you mentioned, they don’t have much advertising or shorts either so it is difficult to get new people to find or watch it. Most of the people that were watching TCH would rather watch the other two that I mentioned in my opinion. The only TCH game that I think people will go out of their way to watch is the larger game in Dallas. TCH Austin rarely has anything bigger over 5/10. Nothing against TCH, I like them but it’s just an observation and my opinion.
Yesterday at EBH some young Asian kid hopelessly bluffed 2k off to me in a 2/5 game. 4 bet pot multi way I have AQ and there is a 4 liner to a Q on turn complete rainbow. He bets 250 I flat setting the trap. He proceeds to open shove river for like 1500 I snap thinking we are chopping. I scoop 😂😂😂
This would be a next level hand of the hero knew his opp better. There I feel like it’s a winning play because it only goes check check and he loses against 3-6 combos of a K vs the 87s and all the air his opp clearly has. However maybe it’s a good enough assumption from the hero against the player pool to still be a good line
If Vililain had called preflop with AK, are they really going to triple barrel like this? Yes it blocks AA, KK, etc, but it's just TPTK and hero's range is still un-capped. Hero has all the A5s and the few remaining combinations of AA and KK. What are they trying to get value from? Just QQ?
@@akhileshanandh2073 I think you're correct that AK will check back pretty often on this river. That said, I don't like hero's play leading up to the river.
AA and AK being out of position and as the 4-bettor are betting that flop close to 100% of the time. Even A5s is going to bet that flop at a high frequency. The only hand I would expect hero to check the flop would be KK as KK is so far ahead of villain's range that I can see checking and trying to get villain to bet/catch up. But given how hero was playing this hand, I can totally see villain triple barreling with AK.
Wow I should head to 'sticky' Texas and do nothing but value bet top pair plus! This one figured out every possible (and mostly useless but fancy sounding poker mumbo jumbo buzz word logic) reason to justify calling down every street, including a river shove with an underpair! And the other one punted off his whole stack bluffing lol
The hand probably really confused villain because hero should not be 4betting TT. 78hh is villains most likely holding which makes perfect sense to call a 4bet with. But then hero played it like a goofball trying to bluff catch the whole way which doesn't really make any sense
Hero is spewing poker terms trying to sound intelligent when his assumptions/actions are some of the worst I’ve heard on this show. You think AKo is a pure 5bet in this configuration by a “reg”? You think TT is a 4bet in this configuration against a reg???? Dude played this hand like he got intel that V was an absolute maniac.. and it appears he was, but don’t spit all this bullshit about “yea I’ve heard he’s a reg” and then play in the absolute least optimal way against anyone that knows what they’re doing. Go play Tetris buddy
@@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 lmaooo the dunning kruger effect is so strong w/ this one guys. imagine thinking that xj TT on a K high board ina 4bet pot is the play. and that someone is a fish because they dont agree with your awful logic. people like you are why poker is alive and well.
@@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 let me explain it to you, since you're clearly on this channel trying to improve, even though your ego is probably going to get in the way of that. i mean, here you are already thinking you know better than Bart, coming up with your own suggestions that better players did not even float as ideas because they're so bad. not sure why you think you're in a position to give hh advice. anyway, when you get to the turn in this manner, in a 4b pot, tens is a bluff catcher. you do not jam with bluff catchers to "deny equity", you.... bluff catch. raising to deny equity has a place in certain spots, but to simplify we usually we raise for two reasons... to get value from a worse hand, or to get a better hand to fold. when you check flop and they bet, you have a bluff catcher. raising with a bluff catcher.... means you're taking away the ability for your opp to bluff. you're not going to get called by worse here, and there are infinitely better hands that are just going to snap off your jam and then you have two outs. does that make more sense? i can try to explain it in simpler terms if you still don't understand. best of luck at the 1/3 tables! don't xj with bluff catchers this weekend! 😃
@@barbrothers2 I have way more experience and very likely a higher winrate than Bart at the $1/3 tables all around the world. Sorry bro', try again, try harder!
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Let's hear some thoughts on the flop check from the hero after 4 betting preflop. Do you like this strategy to give an aggressive player some rope?
As he did play the hand with calling him down, i think it’s okay. I would definitely have bet the flop.
What about passive players?
I like the idea of 4 betting, seeing if villain flats in order to weed out AA and KK and AKs. Never thought of that before. In regards to “calling on the turn even though it might go check check and we lose”, if you took the pot odds % to call and you were more than that % sure you would be good in a check check situation, maybe there’s still merit in the $500 call.
It's really player dependent? I've tended to find successful/youthful/overly-aggression to be over represented in this demographic? Exactly against this player type & OOP what "defining" does a small C accomplish? It does get $ in the pot, but it also removes bluff opportunity for Vs, to a measure...so if we C & get called, where exactly are we? Not saying there isn't benefit (IMO it's +EV to C bet) but there's something to be said to calling down fairly light? It terrifies the bejesus out of the average/occasionally bluffy sort of table...
Normally I'd bet my whole range, but then, if V raises anywhere, the SPRs in this exact instance will hurt "potential bluffing opportunity values....
Interesting hand ..and I'm an advocate for having the whole playbook available ...👍😁
You just better be willing to go with it - you're representing 88-JJ, and now he's going to represent Kx/AA - it's exactly what you want him to do - don't chicken out if he keeps doing exactly what you want him to do. He knows you could have KK, but he's not chickening out...yeah, he could have A5s...don't chicken out.
"This being texas everyone has a 5! range."
Earlier: "this is a young guy from out of state".
Maybe once a poker player enters the state of Texas they somehow magically have 5 bets they never had before in their previous state
The villain is from Texas, he came back from being out of town (outside the state)
Yeah I think this is horrid call down. IMO QQ is much better blocking KQ hard for the flop/turn bets. Obviously hero has only TT-AA +AK, so TT is literally bottom of range here...
Villain should have all 12 combos of AKo, even some AA and KK. But I guess maybe villain was stuck and he could pick up his energy through his soul crystal.
@@PhonyBolognaplus KQ and A5. TT like you said is the very bottom of his range on the river. If you call here you have no folds and that's not a very good way to play.
Love these videos! Ty Bart
This is a MDA play. The premise being villains make more mistakes when checked to in position rather than when they face a CBet from OOP. Relying on data to reveal where exploitative deviation from GTO is a better play IRL.
MDA?
@@tcgtej7897 Mass Data Analysis. Its an exploitative style approach used by looking at mass quantities of hand histories to look at where people under/overbluff and tend to be more value heavy.
You don't need MDA to spot a aggrotard that doesn't like money. MDA would show this type of player to be an anomaly. There aren't that many players that can sustain such heavy loses. 4bet pre, Check flop 100% against this player type might make sense but not against a player pool.
@@AT-bw4cmdepends on if you think the guy is stab happy.
Here is the thing this guy has a ton of value and TT is the worst hand hero is ever going to show up with here so if he calls with this it means he literally has no folds. I don't play in a way that I have zero folds on the river with my entire range.
This has to be one of the best calls I've seen to date. Love the analysis from the caller and the back and forth with Bart. 10/10
Bad calls on the turn and river, just got lucky the V was bluffing this time. A lot of pros never 5 bet in position, in that case AA, KK, AK, KQ, QQ, JJ are all in the V's range. Imagine how dumb the hero would look if the river goes check check and V wins with JJ.
@@yanmingzhang420 lol
@@yanmingzhang420congratulations, you’re gay
You're being results oriented. On average, this wasn't played well.
@@OneEyedJack01 lmao
Villain is definitely not good if they have 8h that they are just blasting off with. Seems like they are the type of opponent where they see check=weak, so they just mindlessly blast off. Against people like this, out of position, checking works quite well, as they auto default to wayyyy overbluffing in certain nodes.
Hero was weak though? Although yes Hero could do this with near nutted hands, it is also commonly likely that hero is weak here and calling down 3 very value like bets out of position with 10s, literally just a bluff catch
@@gxfr795 sure, and I do agree that TT is probably a dicey/low EV call. But, more importantly, I think that villain played this even more poorly.
Not sure what 8x they have here that take this line. 87h? If they are just bluffing with 87h here, they are just wayyyy overbluffing.
Conversely, hero's simple check on the flop, caused villain to make a 400bb mistake. If hero did a standard c-bet on this flop, villain likely snap folds.
Having a good, protected checking range against shit-regs can absolutely print.
@@TheNow_Now There are a whole world of players that are successful with relentless aggression. it's not GTO. It's exploitative. It works because most players over-fold and most villains under-bluff.
@@OneEyedJack01 sure, I see it all the time. I just think that its the kinda mindless stuck in 2004 aggression style, where people will c-bet 100% in position.
This call is the flip side of that, where villain punted 400bb, instead of what could have been a 40bb loss.
My though is that if you are playing deep stacked 2/5+, you should have a more thoughtful approach then, check=weak, lets pile for stacks. Maybe it works against bad opponents who's checking ranges are completely unprotected, but people like hero in this situation end up just printing off it.
Villain must have just had 78 for the back door gutter. Not the best runout to bluff but what choice does he have.
Hey Bart, love the content as always. Out of interest are you still using the same editor/designer for the thumbnails?
I appreciate everyone is experimenting with AI to see what works and editing/creative decisions are still being made. I personally liked the consistency that the cartoon characters brought, as in it felt like all videos were part of a series (I assume these weren't AI generated, if they were then consistent style is higher than I've seen elsewhere).
Anyway good to see you are always looking to push your content further (and speed up production), but I do think there are some tradeoffs with using AI
Caller sounds like Tom Dwan to me… moving down stakes after paying his debts?
Haha under rated comment
Cousin Greg is making big hero calls in Dallas, good for him
I knew that voice sounded familiar!
Aggression doesn't work in texas because everyone seems to be splashy calling stations from what I can tell from videos lol
From what I've seen I definitely agree.
Definitely,this applies to most 1/2,2/5 games. At least in my local casino
Bet hard with value, bluff less. Print $
Been playing around Dallas for about 3 years, although they are splashy, there mistakes are very exploitable. If you can mix it up with aggression, exploitable actions, and take tricky lines, you'll be fine. I'm a loose aggressive player and I've been able to take advantage of a lot of the splashy players, actually they are my preferred players I like to play.
This is why this strategy can work (so long as the villain doesn't hit a face card, but this runout was clean so it worked nicely). I'm betting the villain had Ah8h and decided to turn it into a bluff if he felt his opponent had JJ or QQ
This is an interesting call. I quite like the callers analysis.
I don't know how the villain plays. But it's not true that all of his foldings have to be 5b, especially this deep, and in this configuration. For example, hands like AKo and A5, UTG vs LJ are not always 5b, this deep, in position.
I would flip it and say AKo should be 5b wheras AKs in position you can call to keep them in the pot
@@SuicidelG tbh I don't know about 400bb spots and have not looked at and sims for them since I don't play in games that deep, but 100-200bb EP vs MP AKo is mainly called and AKs is usually jammed.
Usually, the deeper you play, the more you want to focus on suited variety, so wouldn't be surprised if it was 5b AKs/A5s, and mainly call AKo.
I still think that it's worthwhile to play a no 5b strategy, especially in tight configurations, this deep and in position. Since, they are just incredibly hard to balance well, and most people just aren't studied enough in those nodes, myself included.
@@SuicidelGsimply not true. Balance your ranges around your value. 5! is specifically reserved for your best hands, AA and KK unless you’re super deep, which means your 5! bluffs are very few and far between. AKo (16 COMBOS) not a chance makes it in there. AKs is a 5! bluff, and it’s suited because it gives you that much more equity when called
@@MattWilky96as I understand suited combos are calls offsuits are 4 bet bluffs, or 4 bet jams.
That is for online 6 max 100bb, full ring no idea.
@@jeffshackleford3152 that’s an old method of thinking. Bart talks about it sometimes, aggression is better with your suited variety
I'm not sure I could make this call myself in the heat of the moment, but in retrospect the caller actually had a pretty good analysis of the fact that without villain 5betting how can he have a value hand on this runout?
We need more Reg vs Reg hands this was awesome to dissect.
All set up by hero’s check on the flop. Great call and analysis re: 3, 4, and 5 bet range, and check calling range for flop, turn, and river
Funny that you are calling turn, for implied bluff catching odds😅 very interesting theory!
I am the young asian reg blaster in this hand. Lmk if you want my analysis bart
Can confirm this is villain, FWIW, I think I am punting in this hand🤷♂️
Nice hand sicko :)))
Sure, tell us.
Regarding the live stream, I think the lodge and hustler’s stream really hurt them. TCH has worse camera equipment and clarity, worse audio and only a couple qualified commentators in addition to less gambling, smaller games and less table drama. As you mentioned, they don’t have much advertising or shorts either so it is difficult to get new people to find or watch it. Most of the people that were watching TCH would rather watch the other two that I mentioned in my opinion. The only TCH game that I think people will go out of their way to watch is the larger game in Dallas. TCH Austin rarely has anything bigger over 5/10. Nothing against TCH, I like them but it’s just an observation and my opinion.
TCH social is wild
does bart do “write in” questions? i want to get some of his feedback but don’t want to call in lol
Yesterday at EBH some young Asian kid hopelessly bluffed 2k off to me in a 2/5 game. 4 bet pot multi way I have AQ and there is a 4 liner to a Q on turn complete rainbow. He bets 250 I flat setting the trap. He proceeds to open shove river for like 1500 I snap thinking we are chopping. I scoop 😂😂😂
This would be a next level hand of the hero knew his opp better. There I feel like it’s a winning play because it only goes check check and he loses against 3-6 combos of a K vs the 87s and all the air his opp clearly has. However maybe it’s a good enough assumption from the hero against the player pool to still be a good line
Assuming someone 5-bets all 16 combos of AK in live poker is not intelligent
i dont think the guy is intelligent, hes just trying to sound it with his checklist of poker terms
@@barbrothers2 He checked in flow
I think the PF 4B vs a good player OOP opened the caller up to a tricky hand. Calling the 3B PF woulda made decision making easier.
He made Chet range flop in a 4 bet pot to a check range on k high bord
Wtf is this hand? The number of players that are 5betting all AK is basically 0.
If Vililain had called preflop with AK, are they really going to triple barrel like this? Yes it blocks AA, KK, etc, but it's just TPTK and hero's range is still un-capped. Hero has all the A5s and the few remaining combinations of AA and KK. What are they trying to get value from? Just QQ?
@@akhileshanandh2073 TT
@@akhileshanandh2073 I think you're correct that AK will check back pretty often on this river. That said, I don't like hero's play leading up to the river.
AA and AK being out of position and as the 4-bettor are betting that flop close to 100% of the time. Even A5s is going to bet that flop at a high frequency. The only hand I would expect hero to check the flop would be KK as KK is so far ahead of villain's range that I can see checking and trying to get villain to bet/catch up. But given how hero was playing this hand, I can totally see villain triple barreling with AK.
wtf is villian doing
Caller has more guts than I do, at least on the river.
This was a great call...
Wow I should head to 'sticky' Texas and do nothing but value bet top pair plus! This one figured out every possible (and mostly useless but fancy sounding poker mumbo jumbo buzz word logic) reason to justify calling down every street, including a river shove with an underpair! And the other one punted off his whole stack bluffing lol
What about 56s in vilain's range. It is a legit 3B in LJ and call vs 4B in position. The float bet on the flop makes sense too and then hits the nuts.
He can have A5, as this is a GTO 5 bet range
This was played terribly by villain, but hero is wrong to assume all of villain’s value is a 5!
I wouldn't ever do this that deep but in 1 2 I think this is always the line
The hand probably really confused villain because hero should not be 4betting TT. 78hh is villains most likely holding which makes perfect sense to call a 4bet with. But then hero played it like a goofball trying to bluff catch the whole way which doesn't really make any sense
4:14 _V very strong player_
yeah the caller doesn’t know what he’s talking about
they never do
this isn't Goone? lol
I don’t like the choices of either player on any street.
The biggest issue is this guy has no idea on the guy he is playing against 😂
Second
Hero is spewing poker terms trying to sound intelligent when his assumptions/actions are some of the worst I’ve heard on this show. You think AKo is a pure 5bet in this configuration by a “reg”? You think TT is a 4bet in this configuration against a reg???? Dude played this hand like he got intel that V was an absolute maniac.. and it appears he was, but don’t spit all this bullshit about “yea I’ve heard he’s a reg” and then play in the absolute least optimal way against anyone that knows what they’re doing. Go play Tetris buddy
Never check that flop ever so bad
Push turn to deny equity! I'm still in the middle of the video.
bro, no. thats not how any of this works. what happens when you just run into Kx lol
@@barbrothers2 For how many years have you been the fish at your table?
@@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 lmaooo the dunning kruger effect is so strong w/ this one guys. imagine thinking that xj TT on a K high board ina 4bet pot is the play. and that someone is a fish because they dont agree with your awful logic. people like you are why poker is alive and well.
@@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 let me explain it to you, since you're clearly on this channel trying to improve, even though your ego is probably going to get in the way of that. i mean, here you are already thinking you know better than Bart, coming up with your own suggestions that better players did not even float as ideas because they're so bad. not sure why you think you're in a position to give hh advice. anyway, when you get to the turn in this manner, in a 4b pot, tens is a bluff catcher. you do not jam with bluff catchers to "deny equity", you.... bluff catch. raising to deny equity has a place in certain spots, but to simplify we usually we raise for two reasons... to get value from a worse hand, or to get a better hand to fold. when you check flop and they bet, you have a bluff catcher. raising with a bluff catcher.... means you're taking away the ability for your opp to bluff. you're not going to get called by worse here, and there are infinitely better hands that are just going to snap off your jam and then you have two outs. does that make more sense? i can try to explain it in simpler terms if you still don't understand. best of luck at the 1/3 tables! don't xj with bluff catchers this weekend! 😃
@@barbrothers2 I have way more experience and very likely a higher winrate than Bart at the $1/3 tables all around the world. Sorry bro', try again, try harder!
I don't like this hero.
this guy is the worst
What's wrong with Bart? Fold turn is such a terrible advice.
get to the hand faster. small talk killing me
This guy talks like a huge nerd who thinks he’s the greatest poker theorist who ever lived