Don't think I could easily fold turn, but I'm definitely folding the river. Someone's got a higher straight or a boat here. If the V's are terrible, MAYBE someone has A4 or 64, and it's a disaster, but not many players are bad enough to over-value trips after the turn action.
@@EllieBanks333I wouldn't necessarily fold turn, because HJ could be bluffing on a board pairing card which we shouldn't have in our range, and BTN might actually have a four. If HJ seems capable, I'd likely call, and check river, to see what happens. Our hand is going to be best a lot if the river checks through. They could both have 4x, and be worried about their kickers, or being beat by straights and boats. If we check river and it goes bet-raise, it's an insta fold. If it goes check-bet, and the bet is a reasonable size, we can call. If it goes bet-call, it's close, but I think I'd call a reasonable size bet, only because we shouldn't have a lot of straights here, allowing our opponents to over-value trips.
So this video title tickled me a bit. I was watching this live stream and on the turn I typed one word in the live chat "Eject". It would be a different story if it was heads up, then we can consider [as Bart points out] 5th St. chicken. Because we can find over-values that we beat: trip 4s. However, with not only the raise, but also the call behind & hero being OOP, this is simply a trivial fold. In other news; we can confirm callers description of this game as very loose by the reveal. Players are holding 63 & 94 and called a 6X open.
Yeah I’m folding this on the turn. As well as being OOP and it being multi-way, hero is drawing dead if behind but even when ahead vs 4x villain will still have up to 10 outs.
I play a lot of splashy games and when the board paired on the turn, I would have checked to see how the action develops, especially since it was a full rainbow board. That way you don't bloat the pot unnecessarily and make a decision depending on the action and the size of the turn bet if it doesn't check thru.
The issue is when you are so nutted you want to blow the pot up, usually you win flopping a wheel there. Obviously this hand was on the extreme side but to never build a big pot sounds nitty
@@toynoob2051 the thing is in a splashy game you're not close to being nutted. There's a lot of 36s, 45 off and suited, pocket 4's, pocket 5's, imagine the winner had 49o. I know this example looks extreme but in splashy games it's not that uncommon.
Assume you check turn, HJ bets, and CO calls. Are you calling behind or folding? Suppose CO raises, same question? I play splashy games, too. Very often I find opponents are either overly-prone to slow-playing their big hands, or they're over-aggressive about protecting their hands. Here, depending on how I view the V's, I may not expect either opponent to be slow-playing 55/44/22/54 on the flop, since we shouldn't have too many straights here, so I'm not too worried about boats on the turn. Instead, I'd be hoping someone has 4x and would be willing to call a big bet. I'd only be worried if I thought V's were flatting and over-calling pre as wide as 63, but even then, we partially block that by having a 3 in our hand. I think this is a spot where we can continue to v-bet, targeting all our opponent's over-pairs, draws, and 2P hands.
@@1vailchris it would definitely depend on sizing but it would be an easy fold to a big bet and call. Like you said they rarely slow play their big hands, so if they bet big and the other player calls you're most likely beat.
when youre super deepstacked and multiple hands can smash you best to let it go and wait for a better spot . just my opinion. most the time its never a bluff when hundreds of blinds go in .
@@EllieBanks333 He said 10% up to $20 for 1/3 and up to $25 for 5/5. And the earth is an oblate spheroid, evolution is a fact and god doesn't real. Doesn't matter what you heard, think you heard (especially online) or what someone pounded into your soft little brain as a child or adult. Not aimed at you, just trying to make a point that the majority of our fat, stupid, lazy, gullible, ignorant, overbreeding, undereducated and plain old Jabroniesque species REALLY needs to hear.
I have 200 hours of 2/5 at the casino in Toronto mentioned in the video. Currently at a $72 hourly. Rake in Toronto is this bad across the board, but I've been beating these games for years across thousands of hours. Still beatable for a good win rate, you just have to make some big adjustments.
This goes for winning also. Whenever people start they gambling journey they Always ask when should i cash out . Me i aiways leave after burning 2 buyins. Winning depends if i make 2000$ in 40 min i have a smart people meeting to attend.
49o I fucking died laughing lol. What a twist.
She might be a 49ers fan.
absolutely brutal!!!!
Don't think I could easily fold turn, but I'm definitely folding the river. Someone's got a higher straight or a boat here. If the V's are terrible, MAYBE someone has A4 or 64, and it's a disaster, but not many players are bad enough to over-value trips after the turn action.
Heads up I could not fold turn either. But when BTN calls the HJs raise and we are OOP and cannot improve, then I think the fold is trivial.
You’re an idiot if you call turn there 😂
@@EllieBanks333I wouldn't necessarily fold turn, because HJ could be bluffing on a board pairing card which we shouldn't have in our range, and BTN might actually have a four. If HJ seems capable, I'd likely call, and check river, to see what happens. Our hand is going to be best a lot if the river checks through. They could both have 4x, and be worried about their kickers, or being beat by straights and boats.
If we check river and it goes bet-raise, it's an insta fold. If it goes check-bet, and the bet is a reasonable size, we can call. If it goes bet-call, it's close, but I think I'd call a reasonable size bet, only because we shouldn't have a lot of straights here, allowing our opponents to over-value trips.
@@1vailchrispeople don't bluff into 2 people like that.
So this video title tickled me a bit. I was watching this live stream and on the turn I typed one word in the live chat "Eject". It would be a different story if it was heads up, then we can consider [as Bart points out] 5th St. chicken. Because we can find over-values that we beat: trip 4s. However, with not only the raise, but also the call behind & hero being OOP, this is simply a trivial fold. In other news; we can confirm callers description of this game as very loose by the reveal. Players are holding 63 & 94 and called a 6X open.
Yeah I’m folding this on the turn. As well as being OOP and it being multi-way, hero is drawing dead if behind but even when ahead vs 4x villain will still have up to 10 outs.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj Would you have considered calling if the BTN had folded?
@@EllieBanks333 I think so. Seems plausible the HJ could be overvaluing a 4. Unlikely both of them are.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj I agree. It is possible to continue when HJ raises, but when BTN calls the raise... I'm hitting the muck
Where's the small stakes video Bart put out? Anyone know
Help!? I missed it. What was the rake for this private game. I kept playing back and didn't find it. Thanks.
Reg from @GregGoesAllIn 's home game calling in to Bart's show, I'm dying
So they called your open with 4 9 and 3 6,farrrrk.
I play a lot of splashy games and when the board paired on the turn, I would have checked to see how the action develops, especially since it was a full rainbow board. That way you don't bloat the pot unnecessarily and make a decision depending on the action and the size of the turn bet if it doesn't check thru.
The issue is when you are so nutted you want to blow the pot up, usually you win flopping a wheel there. Obviously this hand was on the extreme side but to never build a big pot sounds nitty
@@toynoob2051 the thing is in a splashy game you're not close to being nutted. There's a lot of 36s, 45 off and suited, pocket 4's, pocket 5's, imagine the winner had 49o. I know this example looks extreme but in splashy games it's not that uncommon.
Sounds like the game has passive calling stations. I would’ve bet the turn and simply folded to the raise.
Assume you check turn, HJ bets, and CO calls. Are you calling behind or folding? Suppose CO raises, same question?
I play splashy games, too. Very often I find opponents are either overly-prone to slow-playing their big hands, or they're over-aggressive about protecting their hands.
Here, depending on how I view the V's, I may not expect either opponent to be slow-playing 55/44/22/54 on the flop, since we shouldn't have too many straights here, so I'm not too worried about boats on the turn. Instead, I'd be hoping someone has 4x and would be willing to call a big bet. I'd only be worried if I thought V's were flatting and over-calling pre as wide as 63, but even then, we partially block that by having a 3 in our hand.
I think this is a spot where we can continue to v-bet, targeting all our opponent's over-pairs, draws, and 2P hands.
@@1vailchris it would definitely depend on sizing but it would be an easy fold to a big bet and call. Like you said they rarely slow play their big hands, so if they bet big and the other player calls you're most likely beat.
In average you pay 10bb rake in these games in Toronto so you do the math
when youre super deepstacked and multiple hands can smash you best to let it go and wait for a better spot . just my opinion. most the time its never a bluff when hundreds of blinds go in .
AJ was right!!
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Caller reminds me of Ted Wasanasong
Lol. You have good taste. I'm watching the early seasons now.
This sounds like a setup hand out of Tony Mars' private game
taking 10$ to 20$ off the table every time there is a meaningful pot from a 1/3 Game??? YIKES! who would even play that game?
How long till no one has any money? That's brutal.
I think this was 5-5, but I still agree with your point.
Someone taking the 49o er’s to the Superbowl obv
@@EllieBanks333 He said 10% up to $20 for 1/3 and up to $25 for 5/5. And the earth is an oblate spheroid, evolution is a fact and god doesn't real. Doesn't matter what you heard, think you heard (especially online) or what someone pounded into your soft little brain as a child or adult. Not aimed at you, just trying to make a point that the majority of our fat, stupid, lazy, gullible, ignorant, overbreeding, undereducated and plain old Jabroniesque species REALLY needs to hear.
I have 200 hours of 2/5 at the casino in Toronto mentioned in the video. Currently at a $72 hourly.
Rake in Toronto is this bad across the board, but I've been beating these games for years across thousands of hours. Still beatable for a good win rate, you just have to make some big adjustments.
We call that a rerocc
This goes for winning also. Whenever people start they gambling journey they Always ask when should i cash out . Me i aiways leave after burning 2 buyins. Winning depends if i make 2000$ in 40 min i have a smart people meeting to attend.
Your a losing player just from this comment imo
@@Moneyovertruth 99% of all poker players are losing players lifetime you are also .
meeting with very smart people in santa monica lol
@@Moneyovertruth that is so rude, say sorry
@@Moneyovertruth with a name like that, I'd think you'd know better than to tap the glass!
9 / 4 off 😂😂😂 what fishes
No brainer fold on turn.
Exactly. Such an easy fold
Sorry, but I overbet this flop every day!!!
Yeah easy fold on the turn.
What is it with all the giggling...?
chinese poker!
this sounds like a rigged game