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Just used this camera on a production last week. You can add metadata on the small HD monitor pages and it will put a red box around the image when you're rolling which helps a bit with at least knowing when you're rolling.
Is there a document I can read to set that up!
Brooooooo I just found it and WOW!!! Thank you for the tip!
@@CineDailies No worries! Works for almost every camera I've tried as long as you're on the newest SmallHD OS. Was happy to see it also worked with the X-H2s.
AMAZING!! thank you
so the XH2s have no problem with external monitor right??
If Fuji releases a sub $10K cine cam with the XH2S sensor, improved fps on different modes, internal nd's and a more polished menu+customization for video, I would buy it on a heartbeat
The review was great but the video covering IRL production experience/issues is priceless. Please make more of these!
Thanks for this video! Perfectly voiced all the issues I've been running into as well when using my X-H2s on set. I would love it if we got that quick menu display that the Lumix and Sony cams have with all the settings visible and easy to change. Hopefully Fuji is taking notes!
I'm all down for a Fujifilm Cinecamera ! The rigging I see here is what led me to to get out of the dslr/hybrid market and switch to pro models, this and HDMI and thermal issues.
Great video has always man ;)
I’ve been learning so much from your channel, thank you for the content.
Oh man thanks for watching! I'm glad it's helping
Appreciate your professional experience with the X-H2s, valid points indeed. Informative video no doubt
Not a Fuji user, but I'm here because I enjoy watching your videos. Dope colors, backgrounds, and footage.
Another classic! Thanks for voicing all these improvements Fuji can make. It really is a remarkable camera and could truly arrive to the bigger leagues with a firmware update. Let’s hope Fuji is listening!
I agree with you Joshua, ive been complaining about the restrictions Fuji has put on this camera that is marketed towards hybrid prosumers.
I recently got the Portkeys LH5P II monitor. I don't know what it may support for Fuji, but it supports a lot of camera brands with being able to connect via usb to the camera and then control certain things via its touchscreen. One of the things it adds for me on Panasonic, aside from changing ISO, shutter, etc., is the red recording rectangle.
Just got an XH2 - great content, looking forward to building my RIG
I found this very interesting as someone that has X mount glass and is considering this camera. I’m a noob and hoping their AF keeps improving as I love their colors.
Great wishlist! And seems like most of these things could be added through firmware. I hope Fujifilm is listening.
I totally agree with your points here, and I think that a lot of these software improvements will be fixed at some point with a firmware update.
Except the waveform tools and the very useful red recording box on screen, i would love to have some options on aspect ratio (2.35:1) that could help on framing when shooting in a low profile, without external monitor or recorder.
Love the content!
Very informative! Great job!
Sweet video dude, agree with everything you've raised! Biggest one for me is those in-camera monitoring tools for run&gun situations where a monitor is prohibitive, & Yeah man with HDMI display on it's a direct mirror of that little low res LCD's feed sadly, this is pretty standard on mirrorless systems to due processing limitations I believe, but agreed! It would be sweet if there's enough headroom in the processor to give us additional options in HDMI out. I wouldn't be surprised if it's impossible on this hardware though.
I have a few questions in terms of using the setup you had with a V-mount on set.
How long were you able to power the camera, monitor, teradek and other accessories off of the one v-mount battery for? Were you turning off the camera when switching shots if you had to completely setup a new area or was the camera on during the full production day besides the lunch break? *Planning to build a rig on rails for a week overseas*
Literally, my exact thoughts while I was on set today with the Fuji! Thank you for the tip about clean feed HDMI. I thought my monitor was bugging 😆
I’m pretty sure the new Kinefinity Mavo mark ii has the same sensor as the Fuji. So that may be a tempting purchase 🤔
Hi quick question,
What did you use to mount your wireless transmitter between the camera and battery?
I also have noticed the issues with HDMI. I hope Fuji fix it with a firmware update
Quick question: has Fujifilm fixed the display screen scaling issue that you had? That’d be really hard to work with.
Thank you for this! And yes, Fujifilm, this sensor in a small cine cam body around or less than the price of the C70 would be fantastic. Certainly my wish.
I think fuji could make it happen for under $4,000. C70 pricing is pretty high for a fuji cinecam, unless it has internal ND’s, a real Dual Native ISO, etc. But even then, In my opinion, an cinecam version of the XH2s shouldn’t cost more than an FX3. Regardless, would LOVE to see a cinecam in the lineup one day. Fuji already has their foot in the door with cine-lenses, let’s make it happen Fooj
Great video.. this is such a bummer because the image to me is the best I've seen, especially the filmic quality. However these are deal breakers for me. Please Fuji get on this! Charge more if you must for this amazing camera, but this stuff needs to be fixed.
Dope work brother!!!
Thanks Cam!
You the man Josh!!
These points you mentioned are very important. Btw, wonderful video.
I'm thinking of getting the fuji xt4 for videos and some photos, would you recommend it?
I really couldn’t agree with you more! This was rightly on the money!
Solid video! Super good info
Thanks for watching!
If you use atomos monitor/recorders, you can set it up to start recording on the monitor when the camera starts recording, showing a red outline on the monitor. You can just discard the recordings afterwards.
For sure, but worth changing monitors systems right now
7:27 not sure if the limitation is the same I remember on my old xt3 i couldnt record in f-log on the sdcard and get an F-log 4k monitor signal through the hdmi it would be 1080 F-log... only way was to select select f-log (sdcard) & normal profile (hdmi) then i would get a 4k
Great title/thumbnail. I like where it landed.
Thanks for your suggestion!
Great vid!
Thank you!
khoa looking mighty fine on the dolly
I want false color and internal anamorphic desqueeze
bro what font at :45 is that
Dude that pov rig on the duffel bag looks sick.
Watch the full breakdown!
I hope Fujifilm would take your advices and come up with a complete video solution like URSA or FX series, soon. That'd be fantastic if this new model supports all Fujinon cine lenses.
Great video as always. Maybe a comparison between the s5ii would be interesting.
Honestly, I have no interest in the s5ii. May the x though
@@CineDailies Im currently deciding between the x-h2s and the S5iix for hobbyist hybrid use. I dont know how much it matters, but 4k bitrates only go up to 200Mb/s. Also I think it only does 120 fps? But the 240 on the fuji is pretty much unusable anyway. Fuji has less expensive (and more) glass options though, leaning towards that I think.
I agree with you 100% especially on the monitor issue and I haven't figured out to turn on the LUT preview on the external monitor but it shows on the camera… but I did have an issue with over heating when I was filming in 6k for a little too long..so I cut it off for a few minutes and dropped down to 4k
@Jack Laor i will say that i don’t have the fan that Fuji sells so i may need to grab one.. but i had filmed for about 15 minutes total..
Whoa that's terrible, 15mins? I've never had that issue. We filmed the whole project in open gate. When that happened, what was the environment?
@@CineDailies i film on the xh2.. that was the only time I’ve had that issue though so i was confused.. haven’t had it happen since.. but i wasn’t in a warm place.. i was actually in a cool environment..
@@CineDailies it was weird because yesterday i filmed for a while with no issues at an NBA game.. while also switching back and forth doing photo
I just wish shooting open matte was possible with their GFX line. May not ever happen but one can dream
I know it will never happen but it would be incredible if they created something similar to the xh2s with their medium format lineup
It won’t happen for a very very long time. It’s really hard to pull that kind of data from a medium format sensor.
@@cinebenjamin 1000% correct. But how amazing it would be. The current gfx already shoot external braw or pro res raw, the rolling shutter is just terrible. If they update them with flog 2 it could be used in very particular circumstances... But still a far away dream
@@TavianOrd WELL. There was some news this morning and we aren't as far off as I thought. A new Sony sensor the IMX366AJK, which is a full frame sensor that can do 8k in a 14-bit ADC. So basically a full frame version of this sensor in the Fuji.
I have the same vertical line on the Focus7 monitor. I think monitor is fine, just some weirdness going on with clean HDMI. I wish there was a way to display some of the camera information on the monitor with clean HDMI feed.
Imagine if fuji dropped a fx6 style camera, that would be awesome!
I WANT TO INPUT LUTS!! Shutter Angle too!!!
Nice video, I'm struggling with the same isue. I was wondering do you turn IBIS off all the time? Especiely with the fuji 16-55mm f 2.8 lens I get some weard artifacts from moving the camera. I was wondering how the IBIS is handeling the DZO lenses.
I never use IBIS. My steady shots come from the weight I put on the camera, what supports I'm using, intentional shots, a lot of practice and a stabilization in post
I’m renting the XH2S at this very moment and it’s wonderful (I’m a Sony APSC user, frantically waiting for an updated Sony crop hybrid). Seeing as this sensor was created by Sony, I’m curious to see if they’ll put it in a body similar to the FX6… maybe call it the FX60…. Who knows. Great video, as always!
You're gonna have a blast with the X-H2s! On another note, the 'X-Trans CMOS 5 HS' sensor used in the Fujifilm X-H2s is designed by Fujifilm with manufacturing outsourced to Sony. Fujifilm retains patents on their sensors (U.S. Patent 8,531,563). A Sony body with a Fujifilm X-Trans sensor is highly unlikely, but not impossible (given the legalities around it)
also a TC input might be good (to e.g. get input from Tentacle Sync without wasting the audio port)
Atomos ultrsync blue support would be so easy
where can we watch those 2 commercials ?
They should make like a fujifilm sh2c (like the canon r5). A cinema camera interface and features and, please, internal NDs. They would obviously raise the price, but as long as it's not something absurd, it would be succesfull
pls fuji just make a cinema camera
Fuji get on it! Would love to have a firmware update that fixes some of these issues!
Inspiring video. I wonder about getting this camera, but is it possible to have custom luts in camera? Flog seems nice, but without having the ability to overlay luts in the viewfinder/lcd it would be a lesser experience, I guess?
Rent it first. Fujifilm has a built in preview lut on the camera for the LCD and viewfinder but you can't load luts. Just use a monitor that can.
I get that you wish it was in a different body but its just not a cine camera. Yes - they should make one! I feel the xh2s is better than almost all other dslr video cams and the package does set them apart. I continue to use the xh2s over many cinema cameras for many jobs.
hey josh. i saw the braw video you had for the xh2s and despite the problems that come with it looks so good. Shows that when the sharpness is gone, the xh2s sensor is cinema camera level truly. Do you have any tips in removing the sharpness on flog 2? ive got vintage glass and the metabones cine speedbooster, but its still definitely sharp. Any help would be appreciated !!
Thanks for watching! And yeah I totally agree the quality looks so good. The sensor is very sharp so I make sure noise reduction is off and sharpness set to -4
Then it comes down to lenses and filtration, glimmer glass, it gives an overall softness with keeping the details. Especially with skin
@@CineDailies Thanks for the response Joshua.
Which glimmer glass do you use? also with vintage glass do you still find yourself using the glimmer glass?
And finally, do you find that nr helps with smoothening the skin?
thanks for this awesome video! Question: when outputting opengate, can you kind of zoom in on the smallhd monitor so you're shown 16:9 full screen but you're still recordinf the full sensor?
You can put frame guides. Zooming would be weird
@@CineDailies Agreed. Was just thinking of a scenario where 16:9 has priority but you know you're gonna have to create some 9:16 short formats. that could give you some extra room while also maintaining the full screen image. (open gate with frame guides leaves you with quite a small image on a 5 inch monitor..) thanks for your answer☺️
@@pieroist for sure but i would still use 3:2 over 16:9 because you dont have compromise a 16:9 or 9:16. Cropping from a 3:2 gives you more flexibility for delivery outputs
You know that never crossed my mind but fuji should mos def make a cinema camera
BTW how do you deal with the Woodencamera magic arm ? Just got one for my 702 Touch and man.... it twist like a cheap one, and it ain't cheap for sure !
The ultra arms are great. Are you using the anti twist pins that are built into the 1/4 20s?
@@CineDailies I feel helpless, I noticed the little screws etc, but don't know if what they are meant for (zero info on their websites).
Video from their website is set to private.
A produced bought it for me on the go to a shoot while my old magic arm broke in prep...
I need to figure this thing out.
AFAIK you can put the playback button on any custom button on the xt3
Cool
damn i wish Fujifilm made a cinema camera with xh2s sensor and video features, and also maybe add some tools for cinematographers like exposure tools and better anamorphic support like Panasonic s5ii, plus add raw support with box shaped design like RED. I would buy that instantly.
if you were to buy a camera today for documentary/ vlog content, what camera would you choose, fx3, fuji
H26,canon 6 mark ii, or any other suggestion. I also take pictures occasionally great content
The fujifilm xh2s
the info output stays the same if you change the viewmode to viewfinder only?
What do you mean?
@@CineDailies when i use my X-T3 with the LCD on the image on my monitor is very bad. But if i switch to turn off the LCD and show the image only in the viewfinder it gets much better.
At this point I think Fuji should seriously consider launching a full frame Cinema Camera line, if they came out with, say, a Fuji X-C1s in a box style cinema camera format with the full frame version sensor of the X-H2s and the body of something like, just for example, a Canon C70, I would be tripping over myself to give Fuji my money...
Agree with all of this and a few extras.
1. The camera has its own timecode clock but no way to jam timecode. This makes TC pointless.
2. Remapping dials so iso can be on own
3. My Menu still won’t open up when opening the menu
4. This is very unlikely, but if you could have some global settings that never change based off the custom settings, that would be huge. For example (WB, aperture, ISO)
May I know what HDMI cable you’re using to get that clean 6.2k feed out from the camera? I’ve been using SmallRig’s 30cm HDMI cable to no avail, my Feelworld F6 Plus just displays a black frame. Unsure of what the issue may be
I had the same monitor. don't think it's a cable issue. Most lower end monitors won't accept a 6.2k clean feed. They will only accept 4k, so you need to turn the display on for output for the camera to scale down.
There's no issue. Open gate is 3:2. All external monitors are 16:9 natively, so a 3:2 aspect ratio will have black bars on the sides
@@CineDailies, I don't think he has black bars (I didn't). He has a black frame, as in the whole screen is black (that's what I had).
@@ChristopherKou Yeap! The Feelworld doesn’t display an image at all when I have Disp Info turned off - did you ever find a fix?
@@tianjuinsee you have to set your camera to output display info over HDMI. This will downscale your feed to 4K and make it viewable on your monitor, but it will also result in the not-clean feed and fuzziness that @Cine Dailies is talking about. But between that and a blank screen ... I take the fuzzies, I guess!
Someone may have mentioned already, but the HDMI output on the XH2 is actually 6k... You can attach an Atmos Ninja V+ and record 6k ProRes Raw out of it... Which I do on occasion.
Sure for external recording, which makes sense for the atoms. But just having a clean output to a non external monitor was the issue, or more like weird workaround
Also, I hate pro res raw lol
I keep seeing so many videos about the X-H2S (a lot from you), and I’m considering trading my FX-30 for it. Great content!
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Well, did you?
@@cine-ish I did. I sold my FX30 and picked up an X-H2S. I’m loving it so far!
Between the FX30 and the XH2S, which would you say is superior?
The xh2s has a better image, and DR. It's a better stills camera too.
But if you video centered content, the fx30 has good AF and the top handle for audio
@@CineDailies I currently shoot a X-Pro 2 and would keep it as a dedicated stills camera unless the QOL changes a XH2S has would lead to me selling, but I am more than happy having two dedicated cameras for specific jobs.
I'm unsure of how important autofocus is as I only shoot one autofocus lens for my work then mainly old adapted glass.
Additionally, I am just really starting with doing video based work and will be shooting product videos for a perfume company so I'm unsure of the importance of good AF or audio in those scenarios. I am very strong when it comes to shooting manual focus (even without focus peaking if I squint hard enough).
Atm I have plans to make my own little cinematic projects for fun with friends and family which would be used to bulk up my portfolio.
What about lumix S5ii ? Isn't it better than Fuji xh2s
The xh2s is a better camera in my opinion for what I need as a daily camera. The internal codecs are lacking with the s5ii.
Fuji needs to turn the X-H2s screen into a tilt-flip system like Panasonic S1H has. Current screen on X-H2s is useless when camera is rigged for shooting with a side-handle on the left
Yeah Fuji just needs to do a full cinema camera built in nd's and all. They have no cinema like to protect so just put something awesome out
FYI the Kinefinity MAVO edge mk II will use this same Sony sensor. It’ll be likely other cinema bodies will in the future.
I knowwwww I’m trying to get my hands on one
@@CineDailies You gonna be at NAB? I'm gonna try and talk to them and see if they can send me a loaner. I can put in a good word if you won't be there!
Thanks for sharing this Video. We all hope #fujifilm listens. Do you recognize some strong delay with the HDMI output?
Not at all. With the Teradeks, it was almost no delay.
same when you record the BRAW in the past?
Any updates on this? 🤔
Crickets from Fuji...
Fujifilm should really just make a box cine camera...however I have a strong feeling they will have to make it an extra $1k at least as to not cannibalise from the H2s.
If I wanted a video-only camera I probably would have gotten a BMPCC6KPro. I got the X-H2S because I want to do photography too. If Fuji were to release a box cam with the same sensor I would definitely consider it when I need a video only camera. But not if it's $1K more than the BMPCC6KPro and the X-H2S.
If it has internal ND's and fixes these minor problems, it would be worth it. But they'd save costs by removing the viewfinder/ screen.
@@ChristopherKouI would choose a beefed up XH2s cinema style camera over the BM6KPro everyday. The BM6KPros rolling shutter is horrific and their build quality feels awful. BM’s color science is really nice, but so is Fujis. And if Fuji managed to squeeze their film sims into a cinema camera, too, BM has nothing on that. And if I really want BRAW, I could just add the blackmagic assist monitor to the Fuji cinema cam, which I assume they’d support since they support it on the XH2s. All of this is wishful thinking at best though.
@@TheJ_G I mostly agree. I have used the BMPCC6K extensively. It does feel fragile, and the sensor readout is slow (but not nearly as slow as my Sony a6300 was!). But the BRAW image out of that camera is absolutely a joy to work with in every way. Hopefully Blackmagic's next offering is faster and more rugged.
Hi why not try to take S5iiX with video assist and bras…so no problem in fine I suppose. BTW I own BMCC4K 6K and the image of S5 org is really great and I tend to prefer Proresraw converted to CDNG to work with in Resolve. I have the video assist but somehow the image feels better with ProRes raw…probably de debeyering process.
Great Video…
Not worth it. Besides, the xh2s is still a better hybrid camera in my opinion. I personally don't like proresraw. But hey it's all subjective anyway. Thanks for watching!
@@CineDailies thx for your answer in my case I had great deals on 2 S5 body around 900$ almost new so I went there coming from GH5,5s. I like the prime S 1.8 line Panasonic for video even manual focus with linear pull is fine.
About focus would you recommend Pdmovie 2s or the Pdmovie 2 (I have found one for 200€ ) or it is worth investing more money in the newer version because of the ease of battery accecibility.Thx in advance for your Antwort usually I pull manual focus with Smallrig focus pull all manual but wanted some wireless solution.
Yours Fil
That's why is a trans sensor
Love your Chanel, but let’s be real here. Just ask Fuji to make a damn cinema camera. They got cinema lenses. In a true dedicated cinema camera you can have clean feeds with info, sdi ports, and all the fun stuff. They use to make film so I really hope they do that.
Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like a lot of channels on TH-cam like this critique these hybrid mirrorless cameras so much when they’re not necessarily designed to be cinema cameras. When you buy a hybrid camera you have to expect/deal with compromises…I guarantee you even if Fuji took this feedback seriously and implemented those changes that no professional cinematographer would ever consider Fuji as a solid option for serious video work.
Totally, that was the point of my critique and experiment.
But don't discount videos like this as if a professionals dp wouldn't use a mirrorless cameras in their work flow. Be a it's been done before, I've been on panels, talked to engineers and dps. It's all relative to each production.
Fuji made a solid camera but limited by it's mirrorless body, like any other mirrorless camera, that's worth a critique.
hard to skim through the video and I really don't have the time :(
knowing fujifilm, all these changes would likely be addressed
Kinefinity Mavo S35 ii looks like it has the same sensor so there’s that 👀
I was just looking at that! 👀
Would be interesting if it is the same. That means they could do prores 444 or 6k 50p/60p
Dude if you love this camera why are you complaining about it!!!!!!!!
i don't like it.
+1 @ fuji
@cinedailies ❤ Thank you for this review Sir🎉 @kristianoimpress