He is a great story teller, so he did years of the talk show circuit and years of conventions, he has recited that line more then there is dollars in Lucas's net worth
Mark is the Uber star wars nerd he loves the franchise. And its not like its his only major role. He's also The Joker, and played a villain in the flash.
The problem with Mark's line is it's very much a military line. It could have been said by a Rebel officer or even Luke in Empire after some years of military service but it doesn't fit Luke the lost farm boy of A New Hope.
I think its cause in george's original intro we got to see him and biggs darklighter talking like that in secret at toschi station but his friends scenes were all cut out. Leaving the viewer thinking lukes nothing but a farmhand rather than a secret rebel fighterpilot more like poe.
I can see it working. Like many young men, Luke has fantasized about military life and being a hero. Look at all the role play in video games, who doesnt spout the occasional “Tactical line” after playing call of duty
They had a plan to join the imperial navy flightschool and steal a couple of fighters. Biggs had been training luke in secret. Its why luke gets so upset with han when he mocks him being a pilot. I think the story feels right without the needless backstory. I just wish they found a way to keep luke seeing the stardestroyers in orbit. Cause it was a really cool effect.
And the main reason that I love Ewan McGregor's young Obi-Wan is that Ewan was almost a Rhoades scholar in all things Sir Alec (may he rest in peace, what a lovely British gentleman he was)/Original Trilogy Obi-Wan. So much so that a rewatch of the prequels, then 1977 Star Wars and seeing Old Ben for the first time made me cry. Why? Because Ewan NAILED his performance in all three prequels.
@@felipedeornelas8054 I'd definitely agree with you. That, and Liam Neeson. There was a marvelous chemistry between Liam and Ewan. Although, my brother would say that another would be an ape of Pulp Fiction with Mace Windu's first appearance. "And you will know my name is the FORCE!" XD
Carrie Fisher would always quote "I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit," because it was such a mouthful it made her want to be a writer.
Well... lets not forget that it's also been 40 years of cons and interviews and being asked to repeat it. Had Star Wars been a flop, I have a feeling Hamill would have forgotten it by now.
"Fear is their greatest defense" had Obi-Wan Kenobi written all over it. I don't know how it ended up in Luke's mouth. And as the beginning of a pile of exposition it could never work.
Late reply, but it actually makes more sense in this context. He's a farm boy with barely any experience. His only training and most profound learning experience is with Obi-Wan, which is still fresh in his mind. You'd expect him to mirror and regurgitate things that sound exactly like him. Still, the rest of it is silly. Rattling a bunch of military strategy at that stage in his life makes no sense.
Yeah, I feel like you could very easily re-write it to be workable for Obi Wan. "The path is open, though. They're expecting a full-scale assault so they wouldn't think a smaller vessel would try to sneak by. Fear is their only defense."
@@dethhollow That would work a lot better. The line has good parts, "fear is their only defense" perfectly sums up the idea and themes of the Death Star and the Empire. It's just clunky with all of that minutiae about unknown planets and military strategy.
If George had written a high-speed chase scene in a 1970's police drama, he'd have a cop say "Try to hold them off, take the gun and pull the trigger while aiming at their car while I put my foot on the gas and change gears while we try to go fast and outrun them."
@@tavo.simracing Mark Hamill Joker would not only read that line correctly, but amazingly. Actually, so would a lot of Hamill voices. George got lucky he had actors who would act his lines on their own merit.
But the thing is that he didn't do that with American Graffiti. Not that I remember, anyway... I suppose writing a believable space melodrama is more difficult than writing about the 1960s rock and roll/Friday night cruising culture.
@@davewalker3873 nah he basically got bullied out of his own franchise because people couldn’t have there pipe dream of Star Wars sold it to Disney thinking they’d keep there word now he got fucked out of his own franchise actaully sad tbh I mean even if you didn’t like the prequels the things that came out for Star Wars when he was around was numbing and exciting
@@HasufelyArod Facts, but even then, the poor guy was so painfully affected by the reaction to his character. He actually attempted suicide if I recall correctly, glad he's doing better now
Totally agreed. Jake added the "kid" aspect to throw off the hard side's of the film. I actually love the prequels. Although they maybe should've waited a few years and had him carry on the role. For the sounds I still watch the Pod-race scene every once in a while . . . then the neighbours leave :D
He's actually the only OT cast member who's a legit Star Wars geek. Especially bearing that in mind I'm so bummed about how The Last Jedi pissed on his character.
philip a dog Young foul.. ... he said that because Disney threatened him to sue him, for the boycott Mark himself was causing to Disney, which is clearly stated in the contract he sign.. he is legally obliged (like every actor on this planet) to talk good about his movie .. especially during the time the movie is released ... young foul
I envied him so much. As a french, far from all that hollywood bullshit, I always thought he was living a great life until I heard the sad truth about that kid. Fuck hollywood. Fuck em. Fuck liberals.
I could not in good mind say he did a great job. His delivery, lack of emotion at times, was just horrible. Sorry his path lead him to where it did. But you can't give everyone a gold star or first place. He needed more acting lessons.
@@Hhhhhh-sz9ud He was given numerous scenes and dialogue, as well as lots of character interaction. I've seen younger actors do better. And it's not just my opinion that he was a poor choice for the role. In short he was given a silver spoon in his mouth, and he failed. Bad acting is simply bad acting. There is a huge list of actors at his age and even younger that have cemented themselves at early ages. His delivery sucked. They had to stop shooting numerous times because his delivery was off. If it was fine then they would have just rolled with it. Go take your butt over to that side of TH-cam and watch how much issue they had even in filming with him.
@So Angry That's certainly a option they could have done. And he was the perfect age even when it was being filmed. Now that's one kid that was capable of acting.
Can you imagine Luke: Awwwww but i was going to toschi station.. *swaps to mennacing voice* To buy some damn power converters. Owen: sure kid.Whatever you want luke... Geez he's worse than his dad.
Imagine the joker as a sith lord though, laughing maniacally while in a lightsaber fight, flinging random force lightning, a tornado of random junk spinning around them, sheer confusion and insanity. Instead of force choking people, he uses the force to rip a smile into their cheeks... Someone needs to draw it.
The actors only had the balls to fix the dialogue because it wasn’t the STAR WARS we all know yet. It was just a space film, and therefore no one had the respect for the project that actors nowadays must feel towards it. The original trilogy was really lightening in a bottle. A real group effort that made it what it was. It wasn’t just Lucas, and it shows.
No you are wrong. All movies are 'group-efforts' at the end of the day. But in the case of SW the whole project was steered by Lucas who was a genius filmmaker, editor, anthropologist, cartoonist (he drew the initial concept sketches for Ian Mcquarrie to develop into the concept art) & story-teller. So the kudos ultimately belongs to him.
@@zgjfslkdfs Your comment sounds like a joke because it is so stupid but if you want to make a joke like this in 2022 you can't. A comment like yours is so common nowadays sarcasm doesn't work anymore.
@@Zodroo_Tint No, I am being serious. Sarcasm is always used as a defence by those who cannot accept the truth. I am being very truthful in my above statement :)
@@Zodroo_Tint Lucas was always a rebel film maker. Both the SW and Indy franchises (like the classic American Grafitti) are independently made films. Both SW and AG were financed by 20th Century Fox/ Universal for the distribution rights. But the films themselves were the intellectual property of Lucas. And Lucas was never part of the 'Industry'. So he was always a rebel film maker doing things his way and not by 'committee'. Just look at the Studio controlled ST. Those horrible movies are basically show-pieces for Social Justice, Political Correctness & Woke politics. So to re-iterate Lucas is the true rebel (a very rich & successful one). It seems that it is some of the SW fans who have leaned towards the 'Industry's' way of thinking :)
This ends with what I sincerely believe the problem with the prequels was; yes men. It wasn't Lucas, he hasn't changed. He can do great things within his limits (dialog being one of those limits). He needs collaborators. He needs someone to tell him a bad idea is a bad idea. He had this for Eps IV, V anv VI. But for the prequels, everyone around him was agreeing with everything 'Yes Mr. Lucas, Jar-Jar is a wonderful character Mr. Lucas' 'That line about sand is FANTASTIC Mr. Lucas' If he had someone to push back on some of the clunkier dialog, or get him to question some of his ideas, the prequels would have been as good as the original trilogy. Lucas can do great things, but he NEEDS collaborators, not 'yes men'.
@@PhyreI3ird Which also is a little misleading(the title of the video you mentioned) because most first cuts of movies suck. David F. Sandberg(the director of Shazam) basicly said that the first cut of a movie is depressing. So every movie is somewhat saved in the edit. Sorry for the small rant
His wife Martha Lucas was famously credited with editing his dialogue in the original trilogy but I believe they were divorced by the time the prequels rolled around
I always cringe when people say "The prequels ruined my childhood". The only human being on planet Earth who has any right to say that is poor Jake Lloyd. And that's not something to laugh about.
@@Gadget-Walkmen I think she meant the actors still get blamed and harassed for fuckups that were mostly the writers/directors/producers' fault. See the SW prequels, The Last Jedi, Obi-Wan Kenobi, etc.
Murder By Death is such an underrated movie. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to see more of Star Wars era Alec Guinness. He handles the comedic aspects surprisingly well
It's all about leverage. Lucas was an up an coming director and had not yet developed his full ego. Alec Guinness was older and respected in the industry, so he could say anything he wanted. Harrison and George were friends and around the same age so they could have those conversations. Mark was pretty ballsy and had the least leverage, but Star Wars wasn't guaranteed to be anything at that time. When the prequels were made, Lucas was a billionaire with tons of power and a big ego. Hayden Christiansen had no power to do anything and had to be a yes man to George. I can imagine maybe Liam Neeson was the only cast member with the clout to stand up to George if he wanted to.
He also had a ton of help with the script for the original movie. A lot of his worst ideas later got refused in the prequels. Such as the slave trader.
That’s not really true people did question him when making the prequels one of the people who helped him make the prequels laughed at the idea of not questioning him
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. This argument has been disproved thousands of times. "Other people did all the work for George in the OT, but in the prequels, no one stood up to him and he was allowed to just do whatever he wanted." This is nothing more than "Everything I like about Star Wars (the OT) was done by other people. All the stuff I don't like (the prequels), yeah, George did all that." People challenged George in the OT, and they challenged him in the prequels too. George however was always the one in charge.
At the time Lucas famously surrounded himself with people who would not stand up to him about anything.It was his way or the highway. Just look at any of the behind the scenes stuff for the prequel trilogy.
groccoli bothe the dialogue and the delivery, hayden has been criticised a lot but it’s quite difficoult to deliver such terrible lines as the sand one if you’re not the best actor for the role as hamill was for luke
I've always wondered why the script for the prequels was so bad when it was so good for most of the originals, and it turns out it was actually just as bad all along. This explains a lot because all 6 movies had conceptually fantastic storytelling (possible exception of phantom), but what really separated the prequels from the originals was the dialogue, and it turns out that just describes George's skillset as a director.
who pretty much. The original series was only so good because he was heavily criticised by the actors, crew and his wife lol. Also it gets away with its flaws due to its charm.
@@who7063 okay buddy just remember the best movie came out of the prequels, and maybe the 2 worst movies came out of then but he 1 out of 3 ain't the worst percentage every
"Roasting" is what saved his dream fam. If people, particularily his wife, hadn't raosted and edited his work, it would have been a giant mess in all likelyhood.
Oh, totally! I'm watching him and I see him thinking "oh god, please don't cry, you can do this george" but like, getting your work torn asunder to your face is hard! It takes a good chunk of my willpower to not break down when people hate my stuff.
Don't let his demeanour fool you. He's a master of passive aggressive. He even became irritable when his ex-wife used to give him constructive criticism and advice when he was writing the rough draft for ANH. For example, originally he had the Death Star just sitting there in space just waiting to be attacked, that is until she suggested that it should be orbiting the planet, hence creating tension and drama. But once she'd left and he did the ROTJ Death Star battle, guess what? Yep, he had it just sitting there waiting to be blown up, just as he originally wanted!
White-Dragon He gave that money to charity because he is a compassionate person. And his masterpiece is now owned by a company whose ceo makes over 1000x what the average employee makes. So yes, I feel sorry for him and wish he had never let go of his company.
I had an excellent teacher in high school who taught me creative writing. The advice I was given was that you need to talk what you’re writing as you’re writing it and you will find out right away if the sentence sounds natural spontaneous flowing and something that a human being would actually say. I never forgot that. Needless to say I always got excellent grades in any writing assignment I ever did
Boo ya. You had a great teacher. The excellent English style guide, Fowler's Guide to Modern English Usage, written back in the 1920s, says the same thing. It's a brilliant book, not just for writing but for thinking clearly. And Fowler says every writer should read their writing aloud, to assess the flow of the written word, the peaks and troughs, the inflections, and how the grammar and punctuation works in aid of that. Honestly, it's free online, give it a read. It's a bit archaic at times but the part about reading your own writing aloud, is significant and important. Clear writing sounds clear when read aloud. Unclear writing sounds clunky and obtuse. You had a very good English teacher. But honestly if you write, check out Fowler's. I can find a link to the section on reading aloud for you if you like. It is well worth reading.
I think Lucas' severe lack of social skills is reflected in the kind of dialogue he writes. Surrounding himself with yes men/women after 1983 didn't help either.
That's not true as George had consulted many other filmmakers about the writing within the prequels (Steven Spielberg, Tom Stoppard etc) and most of them could not be described as "yes men".
@@thegungerbrospodcast7671 Casually talking to his friends doesn't count. And if you watch the making of Indy 4 you'll see just how forceful and stubborn Lucas is, when he refused to make it about anything other than aliens, and Spielberg had to comply.
@@hugoclarke3284 there were 3 editors working under Lucas leadership. The original editor was fired by Lucas since this cut was done without his input. The editor, I forgot the name sadly, was hired by fox because they got cold feet and had to present a cut for the board of directors at the studio. Sadly he didn't understand what Lucas was going for, plus Lucas wasn't done shooting the VFX shots at ILM and there was no music yet.
@@MomentousGaming George Lucas was the chief editor on the original Star Wars. He oversaw the entire process and edited the acclaimed gunport sequence himself. His wife Marcia only edited a third of the movie and left to work on another movie before the final edit was even completed. There were two other editors who edited the other 2/3 of the movie. The notion that Lucas had nothing to do with the editing of the original movie, that he's a terrible editor, or that his wife singlehandedly saved from the movie from him--it's all a myth. th-cam.com/video/olqVGz6mOVE/w-d-xo.html
For comparison, Robert Downey Jr. (one of the highest paid actors in the world) got between $50M to $75M for each Avengers movie. Sir Guinness got an amazing payday out of that deal!
I'm curious what he actually got. Studios like to hide money in subsidiaries or roll movie profits in to other expenses like sequels and marketing and such years after the movie comes out.
"Flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy. Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that would end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"
George is wonderful at creating worlds, things concepts and characters. He sometimes might have problems with sharing them with us, but I just feel bad for him for all the hate his dialogues got. Man just shared with us his love and hard work and we just criticize him. Kinda sad although I'm not saying it's not justified.
@@Jimmymatthewb nope. Lucas making decisions on his films is no justification for harrasment. Someone being a jerk because they are upset is not right or honourable.
@@ginger1830 I never ever said that was grounds for harrassment and I completely agree that is not honorable. I have zero clue where on planet earth you got the idea that I was condoning harrassment of filmmakers. That's just silly.
@@Jimmymatthewb I'm glad you cleared that up. The reason I wrote what I did was that to me "completely self inflicted" seems like putting responsibility on the reciever of harrasment instead of on the hateful perpetrators, I didn't make the assumption that you condone harrasment, I could have worded my response to reflect what I now explain better. Anyways, take care.
It's too bad the Alec Guinness on Letterman interview was cut short because Dave asks him to say "The force will be with you...always" and it was awesome.
Its so sad that by the time the prequels rolled around the actors couldn't tell George no. He wasn't just another director, he was a legend. He needed people who would tell him no, its so sad that because of either hubris or circumstance he didn't have that.
No one in the cast & crew ever told George 'No' in the production of any of the SW films (both OT and PT). This video posted by Cinema Sources about the cast 'changing the dialogue' in the OT is a complete myth lapped up by the SW-Haters
Michael Price there’s another line from the prequels that bothers me. When Obi Wan stumbles upon the separatists in episode 2 and hears Dooku and the separatists talking about not wanting to sign a treaty until they have Amidala’s head on their desk. One of the other separatists just randomly interjects with the phrase: “With these new battle droids we’ve created for you, you’ll have the finest army in the galaxy.” There was nothing in the conversation that lead up to that line. It was just so out of left field and out of place that it just makes me cringe every time I watch that scene. It has Lucas’s dialogue skills written all over it. lol
Michael Price He is great at world building, but isn’t that great at dialogue imo. Maybe if someone else wrote the script to the prequels, with him still coming up with the story, and he just directed them they could have been better.
The last part where Mark talks about Jake Lloyd... Man, his story is heartbreaking. Imagine being a 9/10-year-old kid, landing the role of a lifetime, and having a bunch of grown adults blame YOU and say horrific things about you for something that was well beyond your control... No doubt that played a MAJOR part in the downward trajectory in his life.
I wish there was more details on what exactly was said to Lloyd. All I’ve ever heard him say directly was “Other kids would make lightsaber noises while I was around them.” I heard the exact same thing whenever I wore a Star Wars shirt to school or had to put up with the 60’s Batman theme whenever I wore my Batman shirt. You’re always going to be getting unwanted attention when you put yourself out there like that. I always rationalize that Lloyd more than likely heard every complaint and criticism I read and heard about him over the years. I was around the same age as Anakin was in Episode I and the line “All my life” made me instantly hate him for the precocious way it came across.
So true! Despite his genius, Lucas always did have some bad instincts. He benefitted by having people around him who would question him, make suggestions, and help with the writing and directing (his weakest points). This was clear from other projects, like Indiana Jones, where Spielberg had to step in and say "bad idea!" and keep things on track.
@@AnonRanGER01 let me rephrase competent as in "competent to lead", I wasn't precise there. While Lucas had people around polishing his vision for 4.5.6 and apparently no one like that for 1.2.3, 7.8.9 feels to me like lots of ideas with no one in charge of setting a creative course, instead opting to copy from the older ones what they could.
@@deildegast The copying was mostly in episode 7, because they wanted to play it save and copying stuff is what Abrams does, but I was okay with that. Then it became a clusterfuck with no unifying vision.
The whole world owes Jake Lloyd an apology. All of us. The whole damn world. What happened to him wasn't fair, and we either went along with it, or didn't do anything about it. I mean, I could have sent him fan mail in postage just saying "thank you for your performance :)" or something short, postage isn't expensive, and some encouragement would be nice. The film industry is brutal. Its an ocean of sharks, and to receive the kind of hate he got from everyone else outside it was cruelty on top of it all.
Mark Hamill and Charles Martinet are two guys who just love the character that they play. It’s always confused me how they never seem to get tired of talking about their character or being excited to talk about their experiences with the character. But its always nice seeing them so happy.
They both know they would probably be nobodies if not for their iconic characters. Also, voice actors tend to be more humble and relaxed then their traditional counterparts, and their work is more fun, easier, and more relaxing as well.
If it wasn’t for Star Wars my generation might never have known who Alec Guinness was. That would have been a tragedy. Although Star Wars wasn’t his beat work it inspired a lot of younger fans to watch some of his older stuff and appreciate it. Great actor.
Hamill was 100% right. That line was horrendous. George looks kind of uncomfortable as a result I WOULD have liked to have had JarJarBinks say that line in Phantom Menace tho.
A great example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. Alec was a stroke of genius as well...myself an aging man at this point, I find his presence in scenes enriching to them in ways that are difficult to articulate. While the later films didn't really recapture whatever that spark was for the kid in me, watching good hearted discussions about just what a phenomenon this was feeds that childlike wonder. Thanks Cinema! :-)
I don't know how much input Alec Guinness had on his dialogue, but however much he changed it, it worked. His dialogue, and his delivery, was some of the best in the original trilogy, delivered with a wisdom and gravitas that only an actor of his experience can achieve.
Kylo Ren: The past is the worst detention centre of the mind, i doubt your parents would've been all that important to you, anymore than your time spent scavenging for unkar plutt on jakku and nothing that isn't better off left dead and forgotten.. Rey: look kid I've done my part of this bargain, snoke is dead now you the general and the whole 1st order can take the galaxy, i'm gonna take my friends and the falcon as my reward.
In the audition clip, the line actually doesn't sound that bad. Plus, Mark even admits intellectually every part of that line makes sense and gives information. If they smoothed out a couple words I still think that line could've worked. Goodness knows they kept similar lines in ANH anyways (both Luke and Han say a lot of densely-packed lines), so it's not like it was going to be out of place.
George Lucas is a conceptualist and a visual artist. He's not necessarily a writer of dialogue, but that is perhaps his only shortcoming. He is a very good director when motivated and (he also dreamed up "Indiana Jones" with Spielberg) and he is a pioneer in technical aspects of movie making. George Lucas doesn't need to hang his head because a bunch of internet nerds didn't have all of their expectations come true.
Actually he didn't. Look at the video again. Lucas said he filmed Hamill saying that infamous line but had to cut the whole scene out due to timing issues. In fact no-one (Guiness or Ford) got Lucas to change the dialogue in ANH. He had total control over everything in SW (as both director & executive producer)
Yeah, the dialog and decision to have Jedi speak so robotically was his biggest mistake. Other than that, I prefer the prequels to the current movies. Oh and that awful younglings mess.
The sad thing is that Mark Hamill tried to give ideas to J.J. during the pre-production of The Force Awakens AND to Rian Johnson during The Last Jedi ... the former of which, as Hamill said, "was accommodating, but basically gave me a pat on the head and told me to go away", and the latter is an egotistical little manchild who wanted things his way - which was fundamentally and retroactively destroying Luke Skywalker as a character. Mark Hamill looks so depressed in TLJ interviews - such a fun-loving guy who got to play one of the most recognized and beloved heroes in sci-fi was then forced to play "Jake Skywalker", the most miserable loser in the galaxy. :(
I agree Michael Parkinson is a class act. Just check out the full interview with Alec Guinness where he explains how he felt after seeing ANH in the cinema in London (in 1978). It really reflects my own experience when watch TPM for the first time in 1999 :)
I don't think any franchise has an actor who has been as good and faithful an ambassador as Mark Hamill has been for Star Wars for the last 40 some years.
Good director listens to actors and recognizes that its their film as well. I wish more directors would take George Lucas's approach and listen to the actors. (although its kind of sad that they actually had to fight for it) And good actors also care enough to speak up when they encounter stuff like that. Star wars wouldn't have been such a great film series without both.
Perfect way of ending this video lol also, Mark Hamill should be writing these new episodes. Dude is a real Star Wars fan and he does understand what it's all about (and in terms of dialogue, even more than Lucas). I miss the times when dialogue was the problem.
That last Mark Hamil clip is taken completely out of context. They even spliced it to have different meaning. He was not complaining about the writing.
Mark Hamill was always such a polite and well presented young man. not for the camera but you can tell he does it not even for his own image but just to be nice! i love mark for that.
As cringy as Anakin's dialogue there at the end was, if you view it as an awkward teenager raised by monks attempting to be flirtatious, it kind of makes sense.
Yeah and with even a little chemistry between the actors and without the creepy almost licking his lips as he watches his childhood crush who is clearly not that into him it might’ve come off that way, but it’s just icky! Like sheltered and shy is one thing basement dwelling stalker vibe is another...
@@willowweedsYT Well, his love is supposed to be the reason he turns to the dark side, so him coming off a bit creepy is probably good. But I think they should have gone for edgy bad-boy not sad loser.
Hey, your right, Anakin didn't know how to flert, it was his first time trying to convey himself to Padme, She's the only other person who shows Anakin kindness besides his mum and Obi-Wan, and it's why it makes Anakins turn to the darkside that much more emotional despite the dialogue in these films, George is still able to show viewers what these characters have been through, and I love it.
"it will take a few moments for the navicomputer" is actually a good and necessary line. Its building tension because theyre being chased and it explains why they cant just instantly go into hyperspace especially since they couldnt really make a very good visual representation of the navicomputer working given the visual limits though the delivery is awkward. Would be better as "just gotta wait for the navicomputer" just short and simple remember hes a space smuggler a good pilot yes but not someone who will speak grammatically correct
Also, not every piece of highly sophisticated equipment needs to always be called by it's assigned name. I highly doubt that a gunslinger-ish smuggler would call it a navicomputer. Could've just left it at NAVI, or just SYSTEM, or just left the name out altogether.
One of my favorite things that Mark Hammill has ever said, wasn't even in the movies, it was during a press conference for The Force Awakens. When Mark was upset that Rey had the abilities of the force without any training, he said, "ahhhh she hasn't even been to Dagobah for training." That was a true star wars fan reacting to directors not knowing anything about the star wars franchise. I wish Mark Hammill could have directed Episodes 7,8,9 we might have actually seen a story line that made sense. Instead we got an Angry Hermit Luke that drinks green titty milk from Alien Anteaters. Facking shame if you ask me.
It's actually a good thing Luke's line was cut. It brought into spoken dialog a concept that didn't didn't need to be spoken. Fear is something people innately understand, we don't need to be told how to fear something. It actually makes the film stronger by not stating it. Let the visuals do this work, not the dialog. The second problem with that line of dialog is that it brought up planet names that were never used or discussed in the film. Since we had no background about these planets, the audience can't identify with what the dialog was trying to infer about them.
You know, that last clip where Anakin talks about sand, making it a compliment that Amidala is soft and smooth, really is a perfectly cringable thing a teen would say to a crush. It's cringy but fits the role and situation perfectly.
I wouldn't disagree, but I wouldn't agree fully either. The lines were cringey but should have been up-acted or emphasized properly. Iambic pentameter and all that. I just don't think there was enough chemistry between Hayden and Portman either.
imagine if Georges writing is so meta that he even includes the cringyness of teen-talk in his anakin dialogue. But to convey a realistic teen experience the story should have panned out with Anakin being rejected, listening to Nirvana records in his room and stealing Obi-Wans Millers lites and cry in his room
Mark Hamill wasn't kidding. He never forgot this line
I love that he never forgot it
Not a good pick up line
Probably it’s what got him the job since he said it most convincingly as he could as Luke Skywalker, even though it’s Obi-Wan’s line.
He is a great story teller, so he did years of the talk show circuit and years of conventions, he has recited that line more then there is dollars in Lucas's net worth
Mark is the Uber star wars nerd he loves the franchise. And its not like its his only major role. He's also The Joker, and played a villain in the flash.
The problem with Mark's line is it's very much a military line. It could have been said by a Rebel officer or even Luke in Empire after some years of military service but it doesn't fit Luke the lost farm boy of A New Hope.
100%
I think its cause in george's original intro we got to see him and biggs darklighter talking like that in secret at toschi station but his friends scenes were all cut out. Leaving the viewer thinking lukes nothing but a farmhand rather than a secret rebel fighterpilot more like poe.
I can see it working. Like many young men, Luke has fantasized about military life and being a hero. Look at all the role play in video games, who doesnt spout the occasional “Tactical line” after playing call of duty
Yep. He's meant to be a teenager with no life experience, just fuelled by young inspiration, natural talent and hope.
They had a plan to join the imperial navy flightschool and steal a couple of fighters. Biggs had been training luke in secret. Its why luke gets so upset with han when he mocks him being a pilot. I think the story feels right without the needless backstory. I just wish they found a way to keep luke seeing the stardestroyers in orbit. Cause it was a really cool effect.
"You can type this stuff George, but you can't say it."
"You underestimate my power."
And that’s how the prequels were made
@@ThicknSwift hahaha on point! I just finished rewatching them and that's exactly how it seemed...
"You can type this stuff George, but you can't say it."
Oh so its like pogchamp/poggers?
“Try it!”
lol how do I like this without liking it, since the like count is currently at 666 and it's too perfect +++++++++
I can’t believe there was a time when he just had to refer to Han Solo as “the space pirate”
It's funny the completely alternate perceptions of Star Wars in those days.
Now we call the pirates and rogues "the Han Solos."
Why did he not call him Han?
@@zperk13 Probably so the audience who hadn't seen the movie would understand the type of character he was.
@@UltraStarWarsFanatic it all rhymes 👁️
You can tell Mark was SO excited about this being his potentially breakout role, and he put every ounce of his energy into it and it paid off for him
At 0:28 he says he never really thought about it becoming a success or not -- his breakout role -- he just really enjoyed it and was having fun
To be fair, as terrible as that line was, Mark Hamill was able to make it fly.
Much like Game of Thrones, Star Wars is blessed with Brilliant Actors to make a bad script seem good.
I agree. Hamill says the line pretty well.
Mark Hamill can say anything and make it sound amazing. Especially nowadays with all the amazing voice work he's done.
Somehow Hayden took a terrible line and made it worse. (I don't like sand..)
It just didn't make much sense coming from a moisture farmer.
Mark is the rare beast. Lived in the public gaze for 40 years and still seems just a lovely man.
Until you look up how he and his family treated their son's girlfriend after she got pregnant
@@ChrisPeteG
Source?
@@ChrisPeteG oh no... :(
him bullying 4 year olds on twitter made me lose respect
@@Diogenerate people on twitter deserve to be bullied
Alec Guinness has the loveliest voice. Perfect for wise old Obi-Wan.
I love how he has his American and British interview. Good time capsule of that years media.
And the main reason that I love Ewan McGregor's young Obi-Wan is that Ewan was almost a Rhoades scholar in all things Sir Alec (may he rest in peace, what a lovely British gentleman he was)/Original Trilogy Obi-Wan. So much so that a rewatch of the prequels, then 1977 Star Wars and seeing Old Ben for the first time made me cry. Why? Because Ewan NAILED his performance in all three prequels.
@@DebraKadabra By far the best thing in the prequels.
@@felipedeornelas8054 I'd definitely agree with you. That, and Liam Neeson. There was a marvelous chemistry between Liam and Ewan. Although, my brother would say that another would be an ape of Pulp Fiction with Mace Windu's first appearance. "And you will know my name is the FORCE!" XD
One of those actors that makes you go "Oh, right, that's actually how he speaks normally!"
"I'll never forget it as long as I live." He said back in the 70s, meanwhile like 35-40 years later he gets it down.
Hey... 35-40 years is quite a long time for some people....
@@satanbrony9235 That’s what he’s saying you silly goose
@@someguy9496 whoa man, let’s ease up on the language
Carrie Fisher would always quote "I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit," because it was such a mouthful it made her want to be a writer.
Well... lets not forget that it's also been 40 years of cons and interviews and being asked to repeat it. Had Star Wars been a flop, I have a feeling Hamill would have forgotten it by now.
"Fear is their greatest defense" had Obi-Wan Kenobi written all over it. I don't know how it ended up in Luke's mouth. And as the beginning of a pile of exposition it could never work.
Late reply, but it actually makes more sense in this context. He's a farm boy with barely any experience. His only training and most profound learning experience is with Obi-Wan, which is still fresh in his mind. You'd expect him to mirror and regurgitate things that sound exactly like him.
Still, the rest of it is silly. Rattling a bunch of military strategy at that stage in his life makes no sense.
Yeah, I feel like you could very easily re-write it to be workable for Obi Wan.
"The path is open, though. They're expecting a full-scale assault so they wouldn't think a smaller vessel would try to sneak by. Fear is their only defense."
Fear seems like a powerful weapon to cowards.
@@dethhollow That would work a lot better. The line has good parts, "fear is their only defense" perfectly sums up the idea and themes of the Death Star and the Empire. It's just clunky with all of that minutiae about unknown planets and military strategy.
@@NoBudjetFilms Yeah, exactly. You have to actually lead into something like that so it sounds at least somewhat natural.
"There's one line I begged him to take out"
"Maclunkey"
most underrated comment on here
Bazinga
Blessed comment
You think about how delicious it would be if you ate it raw. You think about how delicious it would be if you ate it cooked.
You can type this maclunkey George but I can’t say it
If George had written a high-speed chase scene in a 1970's police drama, he'd have a cop say "Try to hold them off, take the gun and pull the trigger while aiming at their car while I put my foot on the gas and change gears while we try to go fast and outrun them."
HAHAHAHAH this is funnier if you read it in mark hamill's voice
@@tavo.simracing Mark Hamill Joker would not only read that line correctly, but amazingly. Actually, so would a lot of Hamill voices. George got lucky he had actors who would act his lines on their own merit.
But the thing is that he didn't do that with American Graffiti. Not that I remember, anyway... I suppose writing a believable space melodrama is more difficult than writing about the 1960s rock and roll/Friday night cruising culture.
@@DebraKadabra he wasn't alone on American Graffiti's script, this time !
That's as may be, all I was trying to say is that that script at face value is much easier to write than a fairy tale in space.
Love how Mark has always done his Harrison Ford impersonation.
All these years later Mark still talks about Harrison like he’s his grumpy older brother.
Yes, but his Harrison impersonation is much better now. As he has got older he has developed his skills.
@@simonlancaster1815 like any TRUE student of the Jedi Arts. ;)
2:17 Lucas is like: "I wrote that damn line, like, 100 years ago, why do you still roast me for that?"
I read it as: "I made you rich and famous. Stop giving me grief."
Nah man. George is enjoying it as much as Mark.
"I hate sand"
@@Elkarus "I hate sand" is a great line
@@Elkarus “I don’t like sand”.
"George Lucas getting roasted to his face in front of an audience for 10 minutes straight."
And he can’t take it very well
Profile pic: George reaction
Hey but he’s really rich so I’m sure he’s fine
I thought he took it well and agreed it was naff
@@davewalker3873 nah he basically got bullied out of his own franchise because people couldn’t have there pipe dream of Star Wars sold it to Disney thinking they’d keep there word now he got fucked out of his own franchise actaully sad tbh I mean even if you didn’t like the prequels the things that came out for Star Wars when he was around was numbing and exciting
I love Mark Hamill for standing up for Jake Lloyd, that little boy deserved better than what the SW fandom tends to do to actors
Ahmed Best was thankfully and kindly defended by Liam Neeson. That says a lot.
@@HasufelyArod Facts, but even then, the poor guy was so painfully affected by the reaction to his character. He actually attempted suicide if I recall correctly, glad he's doing better now
Totally agreed. Jake added the "kid" aspect to throw off the hard side's of the film. I actually love the prequels. Although they maybe should've waited a few years and had him carry on the role. For the sounds I still watch the Pod-race scene every once in a while . . . then the neighbours leave :D
@@overlord1037 Podracer scene was amazing in the theaters but the movie was disappointing compared to the OT.
@@Wallyworld30 I absolutely adored Rogue One. That one was truly special . . .
Omg Mark Hamil delivered that line so well, he appears to have genuine love for star wars!
not anymore thx to rian styoobid jonson
He's actually the only OT cast member who's a legit Star Wars geek. Especially bearing that in mind I'm so bummed about how The Last Jedi pissed on his character.
@@CapitanTavish Mark Hamil said he was not sure it was a good idea while making it but when he watched it he said it was alot better than he thought
philip a dog
Young foul.. ... he said that because Disney threatened him to sue him, for the boycott Mark himself was causing to Disney, which is clearly stated in the contract he sign.. he is legally obliged (like every actor on this planet) to talk good about his movie .. especially during the time the movie is released ... young foul
@@CapitanTavish This is not the first time he has critizised star wars so i dont think that is all the way true
Jake Lloyd, if you're reading this, I thought you did a great job.
I envied him so much. As a french, far from all that hollywood bullshit, I always thought he was living a great life until I heard the sad truth about that kid. Fuck hollywood. Fuck em. Fuck liberals.
I could not in good mind say he did a great job. His delivery, lack of emotion at times, was just horrible. Sorry his path lead him to where it did. But you can't give everyone a gold star or first place. He needed more acting lessons.
@@azraelsgrave his delivery was fine. He's playing a ten year old boy and wasn't given much to work with.
@@Hhhhhh-sz9ud He was given numerous scenes and dialogue, as well as lots of character interaction. I've seen younger actors do better. And it's not just my opinion that he was a poor choice for the role. In short he was given a silver spoon in his mouth, and he failed.
Bad acting is simply bad acting.
There is a huge list of actors at his age and even younger that have cemented themselves at early ages. His delivery sucked. They had to stop shooting numerous times because his delivery was off. If it was fine then they would have just rolled with it. Go take your butt over to that side of TH-cam and watch how much issue they had even in filming with him.
@So Angry That's certainly a option they could have done. And he was the perfect age even when it was being filmed. Now that's one kid that was capable of acting.
George looks so uncomfortable while his acquaintances make fun of him
He's usually a little uncomfortable.
The way he still expresses Star Wars is his.
He looks like a total geek very very much outside his comfort zone.
1:12 Jesus, it's incredible how perfectly Mark imitates Harrison's mannerisms!
The man is a powerhouse
Mark should say that line as the Joker. As a matter of fact, I think he should re-record all his Star Wars lines as the Joker.
they should introduce chucky as a yoda-like character.
Especially his TLJ lines.
Can you imagine
Luke: Awwwww but i was going to toschi station.. *swaps to mennacing voice* To buy some damn power converters.
Owen: sure kid.Whatever you want luke... Geez he's worse than his dad.
Imagine the joker as a sith lord though, laughing maniacally while in a lightsaber fight, flinging random force lightning, a tornado of random junk spinning around them, sheer confusion and insanity. Instead of force choking people, he uses the force to rip a smile into their cheeks... Someone needs to draw it.
@@Novasky2007 Lol! That's exactly the line I was thinking of!
The actors only had the balls to fix the dialogue because it wasn’t the STAR WARS we all know yet. It was just a space film, and therefore no one had the respect for the project that actors nowadays must feel towards it. The original trilogy was really lightening in a bottle. A real group effort that made it what it was. It wasn’t just Lucas, and it shows.
No you are wrong. All movies are 'group-efforts' at the end of the day. But in the case of SW the whole project was steered by Lucas who was a genius filmmaker, editor, anthropologist, cartoonist (he drew the initial concept sketches for Ian Mcquarrie to develop into the concept art) & story-teller. So the kudos ultimately belongs to him.
@@zgjfslkdfs Your comment sounds like a joke because it is so stupid but if you want to make a joke like this in 2022 you can't. A comment like yours is so common nowadays sarcasm doesn't work anymore.
There is one more thing. Back than Lucas was a rebel filmmaker going against the industry, in the 90's he was the industry.
@@Zodroo_Tint No, I am being serious. Sarcasm is always used as a defence by those who cannot accept the truth. I am being very truthful in my above statement :)
@@Zodroo_Tint Lucas was always a rebel film maker. Both the SW and Indy franchises (like the classic American Grafitti) are independently made films. Both SW and AG were financed by 20th Century Fox/ Universal for the distribution rights. But the films themselves were the intellectual property of Lucas. And Lucas was never part of the 'Industry'. So he was always a rebel film maker doing things his way and not by 'committee'. Just look at the Studio controlled ST. Those horrible movies are basically show-pieces for Social Justice, Political Correctness & Woke politics. So to re-iterate Lucas is the true rebel (a very rich & successful one). It seems that it is some of the SW fans who have leaned towards the 'Industry's' way of thinking :)
This ends with what I sincerely believe the problem with the prequels was; yes men. It wasn't Lucas, he hasn't changed. He can do great things within his limits (dialog being one of those limits). He needs collaborators. He needs someone to tell him a bad idea is a bad idea. He had this for Eps IV, V anv VI. But for the prequels, everyone around him was agreeing with everything 'Yes Mr. Lucas, Jar-Jar is a wonderful character Mr. Lucas' 'That line about sand is FANTASTIC Mr. Lucas'
If he had someone to push back on some of the clunkier dialog, or get him to question some of his ideas, the prequels would have been as good as the original trilogy. Lucas can do great things, but he NEEDS collaborators, not 'yes men'.
It's proven that Lucas doesn't like people telling him he's wrong and to do things another way, so it is his fault.
The only woman who could really talk Lucas down was his wife Marcia, and they divorced in the 80s
@ I think the OP was also referring to a video called "How Starwars was saved in the edit" or something close to that.
@@PhyreI3ird Which also is a little misleading(the title of the video you mentioned) because most first cuts of movies suck. David F. Sandberg(the director of Shazam) basicly said that the first cut of a movie is depressing. So every movie is somewhat saved in the edit.
Sorry for the small rant
His wife Martha Lucas was famously credited with editing his dialogue in the original trilogy but I believe they were divorced by the time the prequels rolled around
Hearing Alec Guinness speak is like wrapping yourself up in a warm blanket
I love Alec Guinness’ voice.
The force is strong in that one
Jake Lloyd was 10 its stupid how people blamed him for the movie that is terrible
Agreed. F’in bullies.
YIPPEEE
I always cringe when people say "The prequels ruined my childhood". The only human being on planet Earth who has any right to say that is poor Jake Lloyd. And that's not something to laugh about.
@@KevinJDildonik god youre a moron
That's "true SW fans" for ya.
Mark’s line sounds like my boyfriend when we discuss battle tactics of WWII.
oneraceonedestiny It usually is. We both were voted class clown, we just love military history. 🤣
Floompy Bear that’s a fantastic relationship. It’s lovely when my girlfriend gets on board and discusses history with me
I can't imagine how heated it would be when you start discussing the north African campaigns
“we’re the ones who are gonna get vegetables thrown at us” aged too well
How? What do you mean?
@@Gadget-Walkmen I think she meant the actors still get blamed and harassed for fuckups that were mostly the writers/directors/producers' fault. See the SW prequels, The Last Jedi, Obi-Wan Kenobi, etc.
@@ImVeryOriginal pretty much, yeah.
I think in a way it kind of aged poorly, considering how badly George was treated after the prequels
@@obsidianwarrior5580 The main people who were "treated badly" were lucas and the two actors playing Anakin, that's mainly it.
Murder By Death is such an underrated movie. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to see more of Star Wars era Alec Guinness. He handles the comedic aspects surprisingly well
Sir Alec as a BLIND butler, teamed with a deaf maid! It was a fun film!
It's all about leverage. Lucas was an up an coming director and had not yet developed his full ego. Alec Guinness was older and respected in the industry, so he could say anything he wanted. Harrison and George were friends and around the same age so they could have those conversations. Mark was pretty ballsy and had the least leverage, but Star Wars wasn't guaranteed to be anything at that time. When the prequels were made, Lucas was a billionaire with tons of power and a big ego. Hayden Christiansen had no power to do anything and had to be a yes man to George. I can imagine maybe Liam Neeson was the only cast member with the clout to stand up to George if he wanted to.
He also had a ton of help with the script for the original movie. A lot of his worst ideas later got refused in the prequels. Such as the slave trader.
That’s not really true people did question him when making the prequels one of the people who helped him make the prequels laughed at the idea of not questioning him
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
This argument has been disproved thousands of times.
"Other people did all the work for George in the OT, but in the prequels, no one stood up to him and he was allowed to just do whatever he wanted."
This is nothing more than "Everything I like about Star Wars (the OT) was done by other people. All the stuff I don't like (the prequels), yeah, George did all that."
People challenged George in the OT, and they challenged him in the prequels too. George however was always the one in charge.
So what you’re saying is the prequels could have been good if Hayden Christensen spoke up?
At the time Lucas famously surrounded himself with people who would not stand up to him about anything.It was his way or the highway. Just look at any of the behind the scenes stuff for the prequel trilogy.
so what you're saying is that haydens dialogue is why the prequels were bad?
groccoli bothe the dialogue and the delivery, hayden has been criticised a lot but it’s quite difficoult to deliver such terrible lines as the sand one if you’re not the best actor for the role as hamill was for luke
@@luxi1216 yeah i understand the criticism but is that the biggest flaw of the prequels?
I've always wondered why the script for the prequels was so bad when it was so good for most of the originals, and it turns out it was actually just as bad all along. This explains a lot because all 6 movies had conceptually fantastic storytelling (possible exception of phantom), but what really separated the prequels from the originals was the dialogue, and it turns out that just describes George's skillset as a director.
Lol that panel was like the roast of George Lucas
right? 😂
That type of criticism was missing when he made the prequels
who pretty much. The original series was only so good because he was heavily criticised by the actors, crew and his wife lol. Also it gets away with its flaws due to its charm.
@@who7063 okay buddy just remember the best movie came out of the prequels, and maybe the 2 worst movies came out of then but he 1 out of 3 ain't the worst percentage every
"Roasting" is what saved his dream fam. If people, particularily his wife, hadn't raosted and edited his work, it would have been a giant mess in all likelyhood.
Poor George looks like he’s going to cry.
Poor George? What, you mean the George who's worth over $4 billion? Excuse me if I don't shed any tears for him...
@@white-dragon4424 ...so a person being rich means they don't get to have a little sympathy? I'd hate to live in your utopia.
Oh, totally! I'm watching him and I see him thinking "oh god, please don't cry, you can do this george" but like, getting your work torn asunder to your face is hard! It takes a good chunk of my willpower to not break down when people hate my stuff.
Don't let his demeanour fool you. He's a master of passive aggressive. He even became irritable when his ex-wife used to give him constructive criticism and advice when he was writing the rough draft for ANH. For example, originally he had the Death Star just sitting there in space just waiting to be attacked, that is until she suggested that it should be orbiting the planet, hence creating tension and drama. But once she'd left and he did the ROTJ Death Star battle, guess what? Yep, he had it just sitting there waiting to be blown up, just as he originally wanted!
White-Dragon He gave that money to charity because he is a compassionate person. And his masterpiece is now owned by a company whose ceo makes over 1000x what the average employee makes. So yes, I feel sorry for him and wish he had never let go of his company.
I had an excellent teacher in high school who taught me creative writing. The advice I was given was that you need to talk what you’re writing as you’re writing it and you will find out right away if the sentence sounds natural spontaneous flowing and something that a human being would actually say. I never forgot that. Needless to say I always got excellent grades in any writing assignment I ever did
Boo ya. You had a great teacher. The excellent English style guide, Fowler's Guide to Modern English Usage, written back in the 1920s, says the same thing. It's a brilliant book, not just for writing but for thinking clearly. And Fowler says every writer should read their writing aloud, to assess the flow of the written word, the peaks and troughs, the inflections, and how the grammar and punctuation works in aid of that.
Honestly, it's free online, give it a read. It's a bit archaic at times but the part about reading your own writing aloud, is significant and important. Clear writing sounds clear when read aloud. Unclear writing sounds clunky and obtuse.
You had a very good English teacher. But honestly if you write, check out Fowler's. I can find a link to the section on reading aloud for you if you like. It is well worth reading.
I think Lucas' severe lack of social skills is reflected in the kind of dialogue he writes. Surrounding himself with yes men/women after 1983 didn't help either.
That's not true as George had consulted many other filmmakers about the writing within the prequels (Steven Spielberg, Tom Stoppard etc) and most of them could not be described as "yes men".
@@thegungerbrospodcast7671 hahhaa, Rick McCallum always had the last word, the ultimate Yes Man. Only Lucas was above him.
The divorce from Marsha was what did him in. She helped him with line rewrites and with editing at the start.
@@thegungerbrospodcast7671 Casually talking to his friends doesn't count. And if you watch the making of Indy 4 you'll see just how forceful and stubborn Lucas is, when he refused to make it about anything other than aliens, and Spielberg had to comply.
He's an IDEA man.
Shout out to everyone who helped Star Wars be better
Especially the editor, I can't believe Lucas had such a boring ending for the original Star Wars.
K2LSS it wasn’t boring
@@MomentousGaming the editor was the true MVP of star wars
@@hugoclarke3284 there were 3 editors working under Lucas leadership.
The original editor was fired by Lucas since this cut was done without his input. The editor, I forgot the name sadly, was hired by fox because they got cold feet and had to present a cut for the board of directors at the studio. Sadly he didn't understand what Lucas was going for, plus Lucas wasn't done shooting the VFX shots at ILM and there was no music yet.
@@MomentousGaming George Lucas was the chief editor on the original Star Wars. He oversaw the entire process and edited the acclaimed gunport sequence himself. His wife Marcia only edited a third of the movie and left to work on another movie before the final edit was even completed. There were two other editors who edited the other 2/3 of the movie. The notion that Lucas had nothing to do with the editing of the original movie, that he's a terrible editor, or that his wife singlehandedly saved from the movie from him--it's all a myth.
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So Sir Alec had 2.25% of Episode IV? I wonder how much that amounted to.
P.S. Checked and it's around 60M apparently
For comparison, Robert Downey Jr. (one of the highest paid actors in the world) got between $50M to $75M for each Avengers movie. Sir Guinness got an amazing payday out of that deal!
@@KilluaZoldyck-de1hq well deserved.
I'm curious what he actually got. Studios like to hide money in subsidiaries or roll movie profits in to other expenses like sequels and marketing and such years after the movie comes out.
Whatever he got, the extra .25% would be a nice bonus
@@JSchroederee Yeah I'm sure he's satisfied with the extra 0.125% profit
Is it just me or does Alex Guinness’s voice immediately make me think of Obi Wan? He coined that character for good!!!
"Flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy. Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that would end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"
Tbf that line fots perfectly for a experienced pilot whose fed up with back seat driving
Mark legit just summarized everything that happened when the prequels came out
George is wonderful at creating worlds, things concepts and characters. He sometimes might have problems with sharing them with us, but I just feel bad for him for all the hate his dialogues got.
Man just shared with us his love and hard work and we just criticize him. Kinda sad although I'm not saying it's not justified.
Or he could've just let us have the option of which version to buy, thereby negating all the hate he got.
Completely self inflicted.
@@Jimmymatthewb nope. Lucas making decisions on his films is no justification for harrasment. Someone being a jerk because they are upset is not right or honourable.
@@ginger1830 I never ever said that was grounds for harrassment and I completely agree that is not honorable. I have zero clue where on planet earth you got the idea that I was condoning harrassment of filmmakers. That's just silly.
@@Jimmymatthewb I'm glad you cleared that up. The reason I wrote what I did was that to me "completely self inflicted" seems like putting responsibility on the reciever of harrasment instead of on the hateful perpetrators, I didn't make the assumption that you condone harrasment, I could have worded my response to reflect what I now explain better. Anyways, take care.
@@Jimmymatthewb The 40-plus year relationship between Star Wars and its fans has been like a rocky marriage...
It's too bad the Alec Guinness on Letterman interview was cut short because Dave asks him to say "The force will be with you...always" and it was awesome.
His body language and personality still the same after all these years, this man didn't change a bit.
Mark hasnt changed a bit. Wicked to see him do his thing with the audience and his incredible story telling so early in his career.
Its so sad that by the time the prequels rolled around the actors couldn't tell George no. He wasn't just another director, he was a legend. He needed people who would tell him no, its so sad that because of either hubris or circumstance he didn't have that.
No one in the cast & crew ever told George 'No' in the production of any of the SW films (both OT and PT). This video posted by Cinema Sources about the cast 'changing the dialogue' in the OT is a complete myth lapped up by the SW-Haters
@@zgjfslkdfs watchu mean? Mark is literally telling him "no" right there.
If that line wasn’t a monologue, but a conversation with some back and forth to generate it, it was fine, but not as a run on sentence lol
Michael Price there’s another line from the prequels that bothers me.
When Obi Wan stumbles upon the separatists in episode 2 and hears Dooku and the separatists talking about not wanting to sign a treaty until they have Amidala’s head on their desk. One of the other separatists just randomly interjects with the phrase: “With these new battle droids we’ve created for you, you’ll have the finest army in the galaxy.”
There was nothing in the conversation that lead up to that line. It was just so out of left field and out of place that it just makes me cringe every time I watch that scene. It has Lucas’s dialogue skills written all over it. lol
J T lmao I forgot that line
Michael Price He is great at world building, but isn’t that great at dialogue imo. Maybe if someone else wrote the script to the prequels, with him still coming up with the story, and he just directed them they could have been better.
@@michaelvessel4604 - Reminds me of Asimov. They would have been great Wikipedia editors.
@@jscorpio1987 They were just discussing their attack against the Republic.
Omg, George Lucas looks so sad while they are making fun of his script :( He is always this these last times
I love hearing Alec Guinness talk. He has such a magical voice.
“I’ll never forget it as long as I live” if you have seen ANY video where Mark talks you know he was right
Honestly this is fantastic, they all look like they have so much fun together.
Only Alec Guinness could make the story of half percent royalties interesting.
Any story about anyone BEING GIVEN a half percent of fucking STAR WARS would be interesting, you half-wit...
@throw away Don't make me take off my hat...
The last part where Mark talks about Jake Lloyd... Man, his story is heartbreaking. Imagine being a 9/10-year-old kid, landing the role of a lifetime, and having a bunch of grown adults blame YOU and say horrific things about you for something that was well beyond your control... No doubt that played a MAJOR part in the downward trajectory in his life.
I wish there was more details on what exactly was said to Lloyd. All I’ve ever heard him say directly was “Other kids would make lightsaber noises while I was around them.” I heard the exact same thing whenever I wore a Star Wars shirt to school or had to put up with the 60’s Batman theme whenever I wore my Batman shirt. You’re always going to be getting unwanted attention when you put yourself out there like that. I always rationalize that Lloyd more than likely heard every complaint and criticism I read and heard about him over the years. I was around the same age as Anakin was in Episode I and the line “All my life” made me instantly hate him for the precocious way it came across.
So true! Despite his genius, Lucas always did have some bad instincts. He benefitted by having people around him who would question him, make suggestions, and help with the writing and directing (his weakest points). This was clear from other projects, like Indiana Jones, where Spielberg had to step in and say "bad idea!" and keep things on track.
The prequels are what you get when nobody is there to reign Lucas in.
@@AnonRanGER01 and the three latest ones are what you get without anybody competent.
@@deildegast There were lots of competent people working on the new trilogy... none of them with any power to shape it.
@@AnonRanGER01 let me rephrase competent as in "competent to lead", I wasn't precise there. While Lucas had people around polishing his vision for 4.5.6 and apparently no one like that for 1.2.3, 7.8.9 feels to me like lots of ideas with no one in charge of setting a creative course, instead opting to copy from the older ones what they could.
@@deildegast The copying was mostly in episode 7, because they wanted to play it save and copying stuff is what Abrams does, but I was okay with that. Then it became a clusterfuck with no unifying vision.
Alec Guinness's voice is so soothing. I could listen to him talk for hours.
Wow it's also nice to see Harrison Ford having fun with Star Wars for once and not act so anxiety ridden and miserable.
kind of sounded like he had a bit of liquid assistance with that.
@@michaellhoover94 I thought that immediately, and I don't blame him.
@@michaellhoover94 I thought he always showed up to interviews high
Mark Hamill's early portrait of Skywalker on the audition tape is better than in the final movie. (I mean: more realistic/natural)
I can listen to Alec G talk all day. Glad to hear he got PaiD! got that percentage.
The whole world owes Jake Lloyd an apology. All of us. The whole damn world. What happened to him wasn't fair, and we either went along with it, or didn't do anything about it. I mean, I could have sent him fan mail in postage just saying "thank you for your performance :)" or something short, postage isn't expensive, and some encouragement would be nice.
The film industry is brutal. Its an ocean of sharks, and to receive the kind of hate he got from everyone else outside it was cruelty on top of it all.
Who is Jake Lloyd I don't owe him shit,
Mark Hamill and Charles Martinet are two guys who just love the character that they play. It’s always confused me how they never seem to get tired of talking about their character or being excited to talk about their experiences with the character. But its always nice seeing them so happy.
They both know they would probably be nobodies if not for their iconic characters. Also, voice actors tend to be more humble and relaxed then their traditional counterparts, and their work is more fun, easier, and more relaxing as well.
If it wasn’t for Star Wars my generation might never have known who Alec Guinness was. That would have been a tragedy. Although Star Wars wasn’t his beat work it inspired a lot of younger fans to watch some of his older stuff and appreciate it. Great actor.
I always felt that Lucas wanted Alec because of the work he did in "Lawrence of Arabia", his character there is very much like Obi Wan.
Alec Guinness mentioning Murder By Death was cool. That's an incredibly underrated film.
Hamill was 100% right. That line was horrendous. George looks kind of uncomfortable as a result
I WOULD have liked to have had JarJarBinks say that line in Phantom Menace tho.
I would have loved to hear Mark say that line in the sequels
Meesa thinkin' that fear is'a their bombadest defense!
A great example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. Alec was a stroke of genius as well...myself an aging man at this point, I find his presence in scenes enriching to them in ways that are difficult to articulate. While the later films didn't really recapture whatever that spark was for the kid in me, watching good hearted discussions about just what a phenomenon this was feeds that childlike wonder. Thanks Cinema! :-)
Lucas has obviously discovered the secret to stopping ageing. Man turned into papa smurf 30 years ago and hasn't aged a day since.
I don't know how much input Alec Guinness had on his dialogue, but however much he changed it, it worked. His dialogue, and his delivery, was some of the best in the original trilogy, delivered with a wisdom and gravitas that only an actor of his experience can achieve.
It's also telling Lucas lines only work with a really good actor telling them, like Guinness or McGregor.
Kylo Ren: The past is the worst detention centre of the mind, i doubt your parents would've been all that important to you, anymore than your time spent scavenging for unkar plutt on jakku and nothing that isn't better off left dead and forgotten..
Rey: look kid I've done my part of this bargain, snoke is dead now you the general and the whole 1st order can take the galaxy, i'm gonna take my friends and the falcon as my reward.
Cool quote. Now let's talk about "WhErE caN hE Be?!!".
That’s perfect.
George Lucas is so fucking amazing. I admire that dude so much.
In the audition clip, the line actually doesn't sound that bad. Plus, Mark even admits intellectually every part of that line makes sense and gives information. If they smoothed out a couple words I still think that line could've worked. Goodness knows they kept similar lines in ANH anyways (both Luke and Han say a lot of densely-packed lines), so it's not like it was going to be out of place.
Poor George really takes a bashing, but at the end of the day I am just grateful we had Star wars.
George Lucas is a conceptualist and a visual artist. He's not necessarily a writer of dialogue, but that is perhaps his only shortcoming. He is a very good director when motivated and (he also dreamed up "Indiana Jones" with Spielberg) and he is a pioneer in technical aspects of movie making.
George Lucas doesn't need to hang his head because a bunch of internet nerds didn't have all of their expectations come true.
Its nice to look back and see them all happy, especially mark Hamil
Tight, first rate editing. Well done.
The lesson to learn is: heart is more important than technical mastery.
Ford threatened to tie George up and make him say his own lines. LMAO!!!!!!!!!! Also damn, Mark was so cool haha. Epic energy
Everyone needs an editor.
It's a universal truth, and you see it affect successful writers again and again.
i like that lucas was always receptive and open to making changes when actors requested it.
Actually he didn't. Look at the video again. Lucas said he filmed Hamill saying that infamous line but had to cut the whole scene out due to timing issues. In fact no-one (Guiness or Ford) got Lucas to change the dialogue in ANH. He had total control over everything in SW (as both director & executive producer)
I think it was better for the actors before Disney took over
What if it was Yoda who wrote the script?
@@DTBootlegs I would totally buy those lines from a scruffy old green alien... but a 19 year old farm boy?
luke should reincarnate as a yoda-like chucky character !
Then better, it would be.
What if wrote the script Yoda it was?
Clear everything may be, small minds comprehend not.
I wish Mark Hamill would have cowritten the prequels
Yeah, the dialog and decision to have Jedi speak so robotically was his biggest mistake. Other than that, I prefer the prequels to the current movies. Oh and that awful younglings mess.
they should introduce chucky as a yoda type starwars character !
Or anyone.
The sad thing is that Mark Hamill tried to give ideas to J.J. during the pre-production of The Force Awakens AND to Rian Johnson during The Last Jedi ... the former of which, as Hamill said, "was accommodating, but basically gave me a pat on the head and told me to go away", and the latter is an egotistical little manchild who wanted things his way - which was fundamentally and retroactively destroying Luke Skywalker as a character.
Mark Hamill looks so depressed in TLJ interviews - such a fun-loving guy who got to play one of the most recognized and beloved heroes in sci-fi was then forced to play "Jake Skywalker", the most miserable loser in the galaxy. :(
The quote from Mark Hamill here is obviously talking about the fan reaction, not the dialogue.
"Star Wars" aside, the class radiating from these interviewers is stunning! The old school journalists.
I agree Michael Parkinson is a class act. Just check out the full interview with Alec Guinness where he explains how he felt after seeing ANH in the cinema in London (in 1978). It really reflects my own experience when watch TPM for the first time in 1999 :)
"Fear is there greatest defense ..." I am putting this line back in the next Star Wars film.
5:00 Murder by death, what an underappreciated gem!
I don't think any franchise has an actor who has been as good and faithful an ambassador as Mark Hamill has been for Star Wars for the last 40 some years.
Good director listens to actors and recognizes that its their film as well. I wish more directors would take George Lucas's approach and listen to the actors. (although its kind of sad that they actually had to fight for it) And good actors also care enough to speak up when they encounter stuff like that. Star wars wouldn't have been such a great film series without both.
Perfect way of ending this video lol also, Mark Hamill should be writing these new episodes. Dude is a real Star Wars fan and he does understand what it's all about (and in terms of dialogue, even more than Lucas). I miss the times when dialogue was the problem.
Even more so now with decades of voice acting under his belt, having performed so much great dialogue
That last Mark Hamil clip is taken completely out of context. They even spliced it to have different meaning. He was not complaining about the writing.
Ajay Ramachandran well, I was talking about the famous sand dialogue if that's what caused confusion
@@kavalkahn ah
watching them all laugh and talk at this event was pretty special for sure!
Sir Alec was so incredibly charming. And yay, he mentions Murder by Death, which was brilliant (and he was brilliant in it!).
Guess everyone, including the man who wrote it, forgot that the “fear is their greatest defense” line was actually written for Obi-Wan Kenobi.
2:30 George looks like he's there at gun point.
I could listen to Sir Alec Guinness talk for hours
SAME. He was such a brilliant talent, and not just as Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Mark Hamill was always such a polite and well presented young man. not for the camera but you can tell he does it not even for his own image but just to be nice! i love mark for that.
0:33 this is Joker in a embryo phase
I love Mark Hamill impression of Harrison Ford
As cringy as Anakin's dialogue there at the end was, if you view it as an awkward teenager raised by monks attempting to be flirtatious, it kind of makes sense.
Yeah and with even a little chemistry between the actors and without the creepy almost licking his lips as he watches his childhood crush who is clearly not that into him it might’ve come off that way, but it’s just icky! Like sheltered and shy is one thing basement dwelling stalker vibe is another...
@@willowweedsYT Well, his love is supposed to be the reason he turns to the dark side, so him coming off a bit creepy is probably good. But I think they should have gone for edgy bad-boy not sad loser.
The thing is, that may be true, but I don't think that's what the movie was trying for.
Hey, your right, Anakin didn't know how to flert, it was his first time trying to convey himself to Padme, She's the only other person who shows Anakin kindness besides his mum and Obi-Wan, and it's why it makes Anakins turn to the darkside that much more emotional despite the dialogue in these films, George is still able to show viewers what these characters have been through, and I love it.
"it will take a few moments for the navicomputer" is actually a good and necessary line. Its building tension because theyre being chased and it explains why they cant just instantly go into hyperspace especially since they couldnt really make a very good visual representation of the navicomputer working given the visual limits though the delivery is awkward. Would be better as "just gotta wait for the navicomputer" just short and simple remember hes a space smuggler a good pilot yes but not someone who will speak grammatically correct
LOLOLOLOLOL, get laid much?
Exactly, a smuggler and pilot would have clipped words to efficiency not blown out sentences like he's a Rhode Island scholar.
Also, not every piece of highly sophisticated equipment needs to always be called by it's assigned name. I highly doubt that a gunslinger-ish smuggler would call it a navicomputer. Could've just left it at NAVI, or just SYSTEM, or just left the name out altogether.
The dialogue might've been better if George had added more Maclunkeys.
One of my favorite things that Mark Hammill has ever said, wasn't even in the movies, it was during a press conference for The Force Awakens. When Mark was upset that Rey had the abilities of the force without any training, he said, "ahhhh she hasn't even been to Dagobah for training." That was a true star wars fan reacting to directors not knowing anything about the star wars franchise. I wish Mark Hammill could have directed Episodes 7,8,9 we might have actually seen a story line that made sense. Instead we got an Angry Hermit Luke that drinks green titty milk from Alien Anteaters. Facking shame if you ask me.
Carrie Fisher's input would've been nice! I'm sure there'd be footage of that too...
It's actually a good thing Luke's line was cut. It brought into spoken dialog a concept that didn't didn't need to be spoken. Fear is something people innately understand, we don't need to be told how to fear something. It actually makes the film stronger by not stating it. Let the visuals do this work, not the dialog.
The second problem with that line of dialog is that it brought up planet names that were never used or discussed in the film. Since we had no background about these planets, the audience can't identify with what the dialog was trying to infer about them.
Basically, all of the Prequels' dialogue 😏
Agree with you but one thing: Han Solo made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs. World building my friend, world building.
You know, that last clip where Anakin talks about sand, making it a compliment that Amidala is soft and smooth, really is a perfectly cringable thing a teen would say to a crush. It's cringy but fits the role and situation perfectly.
I wouldn't disagree, but I wouldn't agree fully either. The lines were cringey but should have been up-acted or emphasized properly. Iambic pentameter and all that. I just don't think there was enough chemistry between Hayden and Portman either.
imagine if Georges writing is so meta that he even includes the cringyness of teen-talk in his anakin dialogue. But to convey a realistic teen experience the story should have panned out with Anakin being rejected, listening to Nirvana records in his room and stealing Obi-Wans Millers lites and cry in his room
Nice mix, thx to the editor that put this together.
5:52 I love how Alec Guinness' smile fades when he hears star wars. From "ha-ha-ha" to "hm".