As someone in the Board Game hobby. This warms my heart to see you guys even looking at this part of the world. Some of the things you look at and try to understand got a good laugh out of me. I know I'll never be asked but man, if you guys wanted some insight into these things and like to give ya a some tour. Also that first sentence you read to Dune: imperium is trying to tell people what genre and mechanics they can expect in it. I love this, I really do!
Always crazy to see row hobbies collide. Love me some Gloomhaven and Dune Imperium. Would be cool to see them try out some of the games they’re interested in live
No one tell them about: The Campaign for North Africa...a game so long it seems no one has ever completed it. It's estimated it would take around 1500 hours to do so.
The world of TCG is huge now, but all I can say is don't dig too many holes. Some are more expensive then others but generally there entry point are quite High, Japanese version tend to be cheaper, while English stuff... if you wish to go full competitive, could cost arm and a leg. I play YGO OCG, WS, Holo TCG, MTG, and collect PKM TCG, I don't think I'm eating well here.
I've played gloomhaven to the end, but on the PC version. Me and my friends tried the boardgame and it took so much mental power to remember everything we gave up, but it is really good.
Yeah, there are some games where you have to do so much accounting you go "bruh, just make it a computer game". The original reason we invented computers was to tabulate things for us.
My favorite complex game is High Frontier, a 4.8 on the complexity scale, on board game geek. You’re the ceo of a company that researches tech to send rockets into orbit around earth and other celestial bodies. Imagine the complexity of launching rockets into space reduced down into a board game.
My best description of Gloomhaven was the closest we've come to a video game in a box. It has a ton of unique characters, a campaign with branching side quests, levels, experience points, retirement, items, unique monsters, road events, etc.
For those that are interested in the answer. A One Piece CG round is generally 30 minutes. DON!! (as in the sound effect that a lot of manga artists, including Oda, use for dramatic scenes) is the resource of the game. You have a DON!! deck consisting of 10 DON!! cards that come out 2 per turn (apart from the 1st player who plays just one on their 1st turn) that are either used to pay the cost of playing cards or can be used to boost the attack power of your characters or leader. Super fun game, highly recommend if you're a One Piece fan.
I like Betrayal but the exploration leading up to the haunt gets really boring after a few games, me and my friends basically speedrun to the haunt when we play now 😂
Most ygo turns are long depending on the game, but games don't take many turns often ending in 3 turns or less. We've come to a point in ygo where both players are able to play on each other's turn, So turns take 5+ minutes because there are so many effects and game states you have to resolve...
Gloomhaven is DNDLite without a DM. I really like Middara for being much more customizable in character creation. Any complex boardgame though especially a campaign game or dungeon crawler takes a long time and is a true commitment.
I used to have a bunch of buddies with which we would play gloomhaven, we played like 40 campaigns in total and we didn't even unlock every characters at that point. It's been a few months since our last game I kinda miss it. We started playing monster hunter the board game though, it's a great time.
Board games are sick, man. I played Magic for almost half my life, but only recently I've gotten into board games (beyond Monopoly and such). The social and tactile parts of it are so fun, as long as there's one person who knows how to play and teach. I love the ones that use deckbuilding and/area control. Also, campaign games like Arkham Horror.
Sounds like my kinda tastes. You should definitely check out Spirit Island, really fun PvE area control game where players pick a unique spirit and draft decks trying to keep invading conquering forces at bay. Little high in complexity but super worth it!
@Canadians360 I'm 100% eyeing that one already, so thanks for the recommendation. It's such a cool concept, and the depth is important for coop. I'm probably getting that one or Everdell next, depending on my friend group.
The reason Gay Monopoly is so expensive is due to its rarity due to the fact the Parker Bros actually C&Dd the creators of Gay Monopoly citing copyright infringement
I had a lot of fun playing Gloodhaven Jaws of the Lion with my mom. She is not a gamer and I hadn't played this game before. The first several missions onboarded us really well and didn't feel super "tutorially". We had a couple ruling situations come up where the "correct" course of action wasnt clear. In that case i just made an executive decision that would keep the game fun. We had a lot of fun and I'd love to try the original Gloomhaven.
Table Top Games go deep. I knew a few people who were really into them: when I say really into them I mean more excited than me playing video games in Elementary school; I don't know any other fandom that goes as hard. The great thing about games like Chess and their ilk is ease of entry coupled with dynamic difficulty & complexity depending on who's playing. Some of those table top military sims showed off looked on another level.
Was looking for this exact comment. Out of all the games I own or play Kingdom Death is easily one of my most favorite to play but it's also incredibly daunting to transport, setup and teach someone to play. However, once you get over the hurdles and get into that first hunt it's all worth it and everyone's having a blast.
Base gloomhaven doesn’t so much have a tutorial as push you into the first mission and expect you to figure it out, so glad that jaws of the lion has some learning curve The one thing they didn’t touch on was the way you take actions. Pick two cards from your hand, then on your turn do the top action on one and the bottom action on another. Every time you rest to get the discard pile back in your hand or have to block a really nasty hit you lose one for the rest of the mission, meaning the options you have rapidly diminish. It’s actually pretty unique in terms of the way board games do actions. I’m convinced Campaign for North Africa was designed exclusively for people who do spreadsheet challenges and aspiring military logistics managers. A friend tried to organise a group and you have to manage dozens of sheets of unit formations and supplies. There’s dungeon crawler/long campaign game complex and then there’s old wargame complex.
Jaws is an extremely good intro to Gloomhaven. 2nd Edition of Gloomhaven base game should be out by next year, which reworks the original game to bring it on par in terms of quality with the 2022 sequel, Frosthaven. I'm playing Frosthaven right now and it is amazing.
If you buy Gloomhaven the physical board game and Gloomhaven the videogame, you can pretend that the physical copy is a collector's deluxe bonus for the Steam game! The Steam game is easier to play because you don't need friends to play.
Highly recommend Dune imperium! Also check out Cthulhu death may die if you want a dungeon crawler/boss battler with epic minis. Another epic one is Blood Rage if you like war games
I played Zombicide Black Plague and Green Horde and when I was about to get rid of the game I used the game board and minks for our dungeon and dragons meetings and it was cheaper than buying minis.
the dune boardgame is basically risk but you can play politics and trade money freely, there's gambling and risk reward mechanics everywhere and all the playable factions have unhinged abilities. such as "if you predict who will win and in what turn at the start of the game you win instead" and "all the money paid for weapons goes to you".
generally i would recommend the remake dune conquest, that game is really streamlined, short and easy to learn while still having strategic complexity while the old game has tons of fiddlyness that i don't think most people would enjoy that much nowadays (it is really old design)
played gloomhaven twice, first time played it wrong and beat the first mission then the second time played it correct and we got annihilated on the second mission. 🤣
Gloomhaven is way better on PC in digital format than as a board game imo. The amount of setup, rule teaching, record keeping, etc is just way too much for me to ever enjoy as a tabletop. Same goes with Battletech. I do love playing board games but definitely not anything too "crunchy" or rules heavy.
Monopoly can easily be played in an hour. Just read the rules and go by the rules and not the house rules, everyone believes are the rules. Those house rules make the game last longer.
board games are amazing, but if you don't have that much time to dedicate to the hobby, there are a lot of good games that have a smaller playtime. Personally, the sweet spot is 2-2.5 hrs
Yami Yugi might be the poster child of Yugioh but Blue-Eyes White Dragon is more of a poster mascot which is more iconic than Yugi's ace monster Dark Magician....... 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
For yugioh, you are comparing a game with a match. At least based on the numbers you gave, it seems like they are comparable. Yugioh turns now take longer than it used to, but games generally end with much fewer turns.
@LordNovaPrime1 lacerda games are the darksouls to the boardgames they are even there own genra in some aspect hard to learn and hard to master but fun to play my favorite of his vary but weather machine and on mars and kanban ev are always my go to and I still didn't play Lisboa I hope one day I can try it
I believe wargames in general tend to be the most complex since many of them aren't just for recreational purposes but actually also designed for professional use by governments and stuff to simulate many possibilities for real situations and also act as research as well as training?
So he played simple games like risk and dont understand how you can play game for 6h. What kind or risk did you play? at least 60% maybe 75% of risk games i played were stalemate that we left unfisnished after 5-6h playing.
@@WeirdTroll666 longest board game i played was around 10h civilization through the ages and we finished. But had some multiplayers on computer. heroes 3. we played 2-3 sesions 5 to 10 hours each and never finished any of the games.
For anyone reading this comment that is wondering about this - that IS the whole puzzle of Gloomhaven. Your hand of cards represent your time left in the scenario. Effectively using them to maximize your characters abilities (damage, spell casting, support, etc.) while keeping yourself in the scenario for as long as possible and hopefully succeeding.
As someone in the Board Game hobby. This warms my heart to see you guys even looking at this part of the world. Some of the things you look at and try to understand got a good laugh out of me. I know I'll never be asked but man, if you guys wanted some insight into these things and like to give ya a some tour.
Also that first sentence you read to Dune: imperium is trying to tell people what genre and mechanics they can expect in it.
I love this, I really do!
They're doing this for yearss
Always crazy to see row hobbies collide. Love me some Gloomhaven and Dune Imperium. Would be cool to see them try out some of the games they’re interested in live
No one tell them about: The Campaign for North Africa...a game so long it seems no one has ever completed it.
It's estimated it would take around 1500 hours to do so.
I've played the Gloomhaven board game, it took a year and a half, once a week, every Friday, to just beat the base game without the expansions.
As a avid board gamer its so fun see them discover new games.
I would love for them to play any tabletop game with Didus, Emiru, Meylin and Sydney, and make it a Trash Taste Special.
The world of TCG is huge now, but all I can say is don't dig too many holes. Some are more expensive then others but generally there entry point are quite High, Japanese version tend to be cheaper, while English stuff... if you wish to go full competitive, could cost arm and a leg. I play YGO OCG, WS, Holo TCG, MTG, and collect PKM TCG, I don't think I'm eating well here.
I bet ygo tcg is so fun with 9 maxx c legal
Play cardfight vanguard!!
Im in the Digimon and One Piece hole haha, i think its a bit better here
A trash taste special where the boys learn different card games would be awesome
I've played gloomhaven to the end, but on the PC version. Me and my friends tried the boardgame and it took so much mental power to remember everything we gave up, but it is really good.
Yeah, there are some games where you have to do so much accounting you go "bruh, just make it a computer game". The original reason we invented computers was to tabulate things for us.
Speaking of banned cards, to this day I still don't understand what Pot of Greed does
easy. you use pot of greed and it lets you use pot of greed
@@professorwizard8916 Thank you. I've never had it explained to me so simply.
The YGO TCG community will send you to Brazil for omitting that joke that was beaten to death........
My favorite complex game is High Frontier, a 4.8 on the complexity scale, on board game geek. You’re the ceo of a company that researches tech to send rockets into orbit around earth and other celestial bodies. Imagine the complexity of launching rockets into space reduced down into a board game.
My best description of Gloomhaven was the closest we've come to a video game in a box. It has a ton of unique characters, a campaign with branching side quests, levels, experience points, retirement, items, unique monsters, road events, etc.
For those that are interested in the answer. A One Piece CG round is generally 30 minutes. DON!! (as in the sound effect that a lot of manga artists, including Oda, use for dramatic scenes) is the resource of the game. You have a DON!! deck consisting of 10 DON!! cards that come out 2 per turn (apart from the 1st player who plays just one on their 1st turn) that are either used to pay the cost of playing cards or can be used to boost the attack power of your characters or leader. Super fun game, highly recommend if you're a One Piece fan.
Dune Imperium is AWESOME!
Betrayal at house on the hill is a fucking good board game
I like Betrayal but the exploration leading up to the haunt gets really boring after a few games, me and my friends basically speedrun to the haunt when we play now 😂
Most ygo turns are long depending on the game, but games don't take many turns often ending in 3 turns or less. We've come to a point in ygo where both players are able to play on each other's turn, So turns take 5+ minutes because there are so many effects and game states you have to resolve...
Gloomhaven is DNDLite without a DM. I really like Middara for being much more customizable in character creation. Any complex boardgame though especially a campaign game or dungeon crawler takes a long time and is a true commitment.
Really just embodies the combat. Your "choices" throughout the story are pretty minimal.
@@novon246 This I agree with. I enjoy it for the combat though lol
I used to have a bunch of buddies with which we would play gloomhaven, we played like 40 campaigns in total and we didn't even unlock every characters at that point. It's been a few months since our last game I kinda miss it. We started playing monster hunter the board game though, it's a great time.
Board games are sick, man. I played Magic for almost half my life, but only recently I've gotten into board games (beyond Monopoly and such). The social and tactile parts of it are so fun, as long as there's one person who knows how to play and teach.
I love the ones that use deckbuilding and/area control. Also, campaign games like Arkham Horror.
Sounds like my kinda tastes. You should definitely check out Spirit Island, really fun PvE area control game where players pick a unique spirit and draft decks trying to keep invading conquering forces at bay. Little high in complexity but super worth it!
@Canadians360 I'm 100% eyeing that one already, so thanks for the recommendation. It's such a cool concept, and the depth is important for coop. I'm probably getting that one or Everdell next, depending on my friend group.
The reason Gay Monopoly is so expensive is due to its rarity due to the fact the Parker Bros actually C&Dd the creators of Gay Monopoly citing copyright infringement
I had a lot of fun playing Gloodhaven Jaws of the Lion with my mom. She is not a gamer and I hadn't played this game before. The first several missions onboarded us really well and didn't feel super "tutorially".
We had a couple ruling situations come up where the "correct" course of action wasnt clear. In that case i just made an executive decision that would keep the game fun.
We had a lot of fun and I'd love to try the original Gloomhaven.
Table Top Games go deep. I knew a few people who were really into them: when I say really into them I mean more excited than me playing video games in Elementary school; I don't know any other fandom that goes as hard. The great thing about games like Chess and their ilk is ease of entry coupled with dynamic difficulty & complexity depending on who's playing. Some of those table top military sims showed off looked on another level.
No mention of Kingdom Death as one of the hardest board games??
The art or the game? Lols
I know! They need to do a campaign on stream!
Was looking for this exact comment. Out of all the games I own or play Kingdom Death is easily one of my most favorite to play but it's also incredibly daunting to transport, setup and teach someone to play. However, once you get over the hurdles and get into that first hunt it's all worth it and everyone's having a blast.
Arcadia Quest and Small Worlds are great build games.
BGG mentioned rahhhh, I LOVE WARGAMES THAT LAST FOR OVER 10 HOURS RAHHHH
Gloomhaven is fantastic! Just played base game but pretty good story and creative abilities/mechanics.
They should give Kingdom Death: Monster a try ;)
Absolutely 😊
Base gloomhaven doesn’t so much have a tutorial as push you into the first mission and expect you to figure it out, so glad that jaws of the lion has some learning curve
The one thing they didn’t touch on was the way you take actions. Pick two cards from your hand, then on your turn do the top action on one and the bottom action on another. Every time you rest to get the discard pile back in your hand or have to block a really nasty hit you lose one for the rest of the mission, meaning the options you have rapidly diminish. It’s actually pretty unique in terms of the way board games do actions.
I’m convinced Campaign for North Africa was designed exclusively for people who do spreadsheet challenges and aspiring military logistics managers. A friend tried to organise a group and you have to manage dozens of sheets of unit formations and supplies. There’s dungeon crawler/long campaign game complex and then there’s old wargame complex.
Jaws is an extremely good intro to Gloomhaven. 2nd Edition of Gloomhaven base game should be out by next year, which reworks the original game to bring it on par in terms of quality with the 2022 sequel, Frosthaven. I'm playing Frosthaven right now and it is amazing.
If you buy Gloomhaven the physical board game and Gloomhaven the videogame, you can pretend that the physical copy is a collector's deluxe bonus for the Steam game!
The Steam game is easier to play because you don't need friends to play.
Modern complex: Aeon Trespass Odyssey, On Mars, Lisboa, Voidfall.
Highly recommend Dune imperium! Also check out Cthulhu death may die if you want a dungeon crawler/boss battler with epic minis. Another epic one is Blood Rage if you like war games
Frosthaven is the best tabletop game.
Want a longer board game to try, try Twilight Imperium.
You guys need to do a trash taste settlement in Kingdom Death, and name all your characters after people in the trash taste universe 😉😂
Trash taste afterdark with them doing one mission
I have Scythe and it is complex.
it's not that complex tbh
@@WeirdTroll666scythe was actually the very first hobby board game i ever bought, I didn't think it was that complex then and definitely not now
I played Zombicide Black Plague and Green Horde and when I was about to get rid of the game I used the game board and minks for our dungeon and dragons meetings and it was cheaper than buying minis.
How to tell when people aren't board gamers: when they say Gloomhaven is hard.
the dune boardgame is basically risk but you can play politics and trade money freely, there's gambling and risk reward mechanics everywhere and all the playable factions have unhinged abilities.
such as "if you predict who will win and in what turn at the start of the game you win instead" and "all the money paid for weapons goes to you".
generally i would recommend the remake dune conquest, that game is really streamlined, short and easy to learn while still having strategic complexity while the old game has tons of fiddlyness that i don't think most people would enjoy that much nowadays (it is really old design)
played gloomhaven twice, first time played it wrong and beat the first mission then the second time played it correct and we got annihilated on the second mission. 🤣
Yeah, it speeds up, but it still took 2 of us more than a year to finish it (playing 1 mission per week).
Im gonna play this for the 3rd time today. So glad my friend and his wife know how to set it up.
Gloomhaven is way better on PC in digital format than as a board game imo. The amount of setup, rule teaching, record keeping, etc is just way too much for me to ever enjoy as a tabletop. Same goes with Battletech. I do love playing board games but definitely not anything too "crunchy" or rules heavy.
Warhammer podcast when?
Check out Lysander and Koda if you want that, they do a lot stuff talking about the lore of 40k; it's a pretty chill vibe kinda like trash taste
Board game and tcg are simply practice tools for speed reading. Decoding and understanding short concise texts is like a second nature to me now.😂
I would love to see they try to finish a game of War of the Ring. I've only played it a couple times and even the setup takes a long time.
Monopoly can easily be played in an hour. Just read the rules and go by the rules and not the house rules, everyone believes are the rules. Those house rules make the game last longer.
How cute, Anglos' first eurogame.
If you want to hard boardgame, y'all should play TI4
board games are amazing, but if you don't have that much time to dedicate to the hobby, there are a lot of good games that have a smaller playtime. Personally, the sweet spot is 2-2.5 hrs
you should come over to join our 8-player 12-hour game of thrones mother of dragons session
gloomhaven jaws of the lion is the best than gloomhaven. Oath is more complex than this. I recommend Root, the table talk there is peak!
The 40 minute yugioh estimate is probably because an official game of yugioh is a match game of best of 3. First to two victories wins.
How did it take you that long to setup up Jaws? XD it has a book for the map and walks you through how to play
Gloomhaven is so cool but so much time investment
Gloomhaven is great, Frosthaven though was a massive disappointment to my group and I.
Gloomhaven is not that complicated.
Real board games just get pretty complex. Gloomhaven is par for the course.
the video game version is goated
Yami Yugi might be the poster child of Yugioh but Blue-Eyes White Dragon is more of a poster mascot which is more iconic than Yugi's ace monster Dark Magician....... 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
May I introduce you to Twilight Imperium?
It doesn't matter how good video games are if the person annoying me isn't within arms reach
For yugioh, you are comparing a game with a match. At least based on the numbers you gave, it seems like they are comparable.
Yugioh turns now take longer than it used to, but games generally end with much fewer turns.
pff ever played Twillight Imperium ??? xD THAT is an epic game
truee
Gloomhaven is easy
Sorry but duel masters is way more like magic then yugioh
if they thinks gloomhaven is heavy game i wonder what they will think of any Vital Lacerda games
Lisboa was a beast to learn lol very fun though
@LordNovaPrime1 lacerda games are the darksouls to the boardgames they are even there own genra in some aspect hard to learn and hard to master but fun to play my favorite of his vary but weather machine and on mars and kanban ev are always my go to and I still didn't play Lisboa I hope one day I can try it
@akagitsune7851 its very good im sure you'll enjoy it. I think my favorite is The Gallerist but I haven't played Weather Machine yet
I believe wargames in general tend to be the most complex since many of them aren't just for recreational purposes but actually also designed for professional use by governments and stuff to simulate many possibilities for real situations and also act as research as well as training?
Checkers. my worst enemy
So he played simple games like risk and dont understand how you can play game for 6h. What kind or risk did you play? at least 60% maybe 75% of risk games i played were stalemate that we left unfisnished after 5-6h playing.
there is a game called Axis & Allies, We had a game, played two days for like 15 hours but the group fell apart lol, not even close in ending
@@WeirdTroll666 longest board game i played was around 10h civilization through the ages and we finished. But had some multiplayers on computer. heroes 3. we played 2-3 sesions 5 to 10 hours each and never finished any of the games.
tried gloomhavent didnt like it. the fatigue system is just annoying. losing card overtime is not fun. so much time/turn stress
For anyone reading this comment that is wondering about this - that IS the whole puzzle of Gloomhaven. Your hand of cards represent your time left in the scenario. Effectively using them to maximize your characters abilities (damage, spell casting, support, etc.) while keeping yourself in the scenario for as long as possible and hopefully succeeding.