Nah, I'm nowhere near skilled enough to be a locksmith. I work commercial and industrial maintenance, so I get to dabble in some lock work, rekeying, installs of locks and other security hardware, etc. So I do get to run across a lot of different stuff, and can always tell when I'm working on something that was done by a locksmith, or something that was done by someone like.. well... me , ha!!
I'm watching this in my kitchen where outside I have a few bird feeders and keep hearing loud bird calls. I look outside and don't see anything. After a few times, I realize it's the video. Nice microphone!
Well done! Nick didn't actually mill the face of the keyway; this is a Titan lock where the front is milled slightly so the key goes in further to accommodate the 6th pin in the front.
I knew almost nothing about lock picking before watching your vids, now for some reason i cant stop watching them hehe, a very zen feeling watching u pick the locks.. oh, by the way, whats with the name bosnian bill, slovenian here.. just wondering
Welcome to LockSport! I was in Bosnia when I created my account, years ago. Everyone on the team called me Bosnianbill because I was the only one that spoke the language. Capture someone? "Call Bosnianbill to ask him some questions!" - that sort of thing.
Hi bill great video. Is it possible that pin 6 being so short and the top pin also being short that both fit flush in the plug allowing the spring to be snagged when picked if pin 6 isn’t picked and gets caught. Then when the key was forced in it pushed the pin past the spring?
I have acquired 6 pin kwikset locks from Restore with wide-topped keyways just like that. As others have suggested, I tape multiple TOK wrenches together so they fit snuggly in the keyway. Looks like a tough lock and I really like keypin number 1.
I was screaming at the screen, Bill take a pair of fine tweezers and pull out the loose end of the spring to at least release the pin the right way. Speaking of a different kind of spring, greetings from Sweden where we still have winter with snow falling and no birds singing as of yet.
How can that be? Even if the spring broke off the bottom part should not be able to pass the pin. Was the spring stretched out and the pin inserted inside of it? Was the pinner-upper not at his wit's end?
SLORRIFJART321 , yeah, my guess is that the spring was stretched out & pin driven in together... for effect. not only does it take away feedback, & messes with tension play... it holds under light tension, allowing you to believe still having a binding pin.
Great video! I think when you were showing the Bible with pin 6 still in place I saw the spring sticking way up .... either that or it was a long scratch ... Also wish you’d have given a wrap-up commentary on the pins as they related to you SPP’ing feedback... surprisingly a lot of magic in the key pins ... I think that the pin 3 false set must have been in an overset condition as the only spooling was on the key pin? Great pins and a lot of fun viewing 👍🏻
Hi Bill .... When you get sneaky locks that have lock pins that lock the barrel up and stop rotation, how do you get out of the situation once the barrel is locked ... ? Is the lock now toast when the anti tamper pins have locked the barrel up ... ?
MMMmm non- recoverable .... So not a good idea to have one of these on a one entrance apartment ... Unless someone can develop one of these that is recoverable with the genuine key ... ! I'm amazed that most of these locks are defeated so easily .... Regards from the UK ... Keep up the great interesting work, mesmerizing ... !!!! Did you see my comment on the Bowley ... ? I'm also a machinist by trade so lock picking is becoming a bit of an interest for me .. Cheers Bill .... ;-)
WOW 👍🏻 I believe the piece of spring was meant to be where it was. Between the Bible and core pins. The spring steel would have caused the binding. Look at the spring closely and see if it was cut or sheared.
Bill you often wonder out loud if we can see stuff. We totally can see stuff and apparently much better than you can. I'm not sure how springs escape from their home but they most certainly do then and now probably during reassembly. Most of use are wondering why you didn't see that #6 spring was was attempting an escape.
My problem (well, ONE of my problems - I have MANY, just ask my wife) it that I'm forced to view things through the camera lens, which is only 2" wide, so everything is TINY and slightly pixelated. I need to accept that it is actually filming in HD and get on with it.
Just a thought Bill. Stack the normal top of the key way tensioners together and stick em in when they do this. You got different thicknesses and probably 300 of those things around.
Lucas Vander Schelde also can clip from the top you can put it on with downward pressure depending on what it is made from it shouldn't deform if it is quality
I've got a qwikset with a keyway like that. I use a flat dogear tok wrench from the five piece sparrows set to tension it. That's the only lock in my collection like it. I turned it into a training lock.
Kwikset has a problem with 1 depths and the standard top pin required when picking their locks. The spring will be below the shearline. If I remember correctly their top pins are .165 drivers To prevent this I used .175 or .180 drivers
I can tell you exactly what happened, pin 6 had too short a driver. when he finished that lock he picked it himself, but never touched pin 6 because it never bound up. since the driver on 6 was too short that left the spring in the shear line when he monkeyed the core to the open position. once he was satisfied with his lock he stuck the key in, forcing the driver into the shear line around the mangled spring, taking it out of play entirely, but killing all feedback in the process. the extreme difficulty of this lock ironically was entirely a product of poor assembly.
So my background is engineering and I have an inquisitive mine and love solving puzzles, hence my interest in lock picking and especially your attempts at challenge locks. But I ask myself: what is the point of security pins in key pins since they don’t come into play unless you overset them. I would be extremely interested in your consideration of this issue. Keep up the good work and please do more co;;abortive stuff wit the Lock Picking Lawyer.
Great question. You are correct, in "normal" locks the security pins are almost irrelevant. Almost, but they DO offer resistance against unskilled pickers. In some locks, the key chambers are threaded, have seams, or the lock contains a floating core or sleeve. In THOSE locks, all pins get hung up and increase the picking resistance of the lock. Take a look at the Ruko 500 for a perfect example of this.
I was partially kidding. People going to some amazing lengths to try to make it harder to pick. Seems like there's been a lot of people drilling out the top of the keyway lately. Just like mummifying the keys. I am half expecting to see a key in a welded metal box one of these days.
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I think Mr Nick was certainly messing with you and was aiming for a Paclock. Sneaky Locksmith's! 😁😁😁
My thoughts exactly, them locksmiths is wiley!
I'm taking it that you two guys are locksmiths? I agree, some of the wickedest locks to arrive were from locksmiths. 😋
Nah, I'm nowhere near skilled enough to be a locksmith. I work commercial and industrial maintenance, so I get to dabble in some lock work, rekeying, installs of locks and other security hardware, etc. So I do get to run across a lot of different stuff, and can always tell when I'm working on something that was done by a locksmith, or something that was done by someone like.. well... me , ha!!
Bosnianbill no but sort of in a similar..ish field. Electronic access control, electronic security & CCTV. 😉✌🇦🇺
Got it, I KNEW you were involved in security in SOME fashion, based on your well-informed comments.
"He machined this so I can't use top of the keyway which means I will use top of the keyway."
Bravo
this is one of the NASTIEST locks I have ever seen. absolutely maniacal. Bravo master Nick. Bravo.
Met locksmith Nick today. Locked my keys in my truck. He told me about this video had to come check it out. Great job picking
I love the lines you drew on the lock. Makes it much easier to see the movement of the core.
I'm watching this in my kitchen where outside I have a few bird feeders and keep hearing loud bird calls. I look outside and don't see anything. After a few times, I realize it's the video. Nice microphone!
Yeah, it seems to pick up TOO much...
I know ... it is a year ago. Don't care.
BUT: I took my headphones off because I wanted to look for the bird in my 'tech'room XD
I see that you and your cat still play together... violently! LOL
That thing put up a fight. Nice work Bill. And good lock Nick...
Use the force bill !!! Use the force!!!!!!!!! Great pickin' bro. Excellent build and pinnd. 👏
i call for a re pick the spring being messed up makes it seem harder
I was thinking the same thing
Normal Mortal: This lock is broken and cannot be opened.
Bosnianbill: This lock's broken, look at those gouges and that spring !
I am not a locksmith, but I fined your videos very entertaining. Looking forward to your next challenge.
The broken spring did more to prevent picking than the pins did.
Well that was a fighter! Well done!!
Well done! Nick didn't actually mill the face of the keyway; this is a Titan lock where the front is milled slightly so the key goes in further to accommodate the 6th pin in the front.
Way to stick with it Bill. Thanks for posting.
I watch this videos like I watch fifa world cup finals, soooo much anticipation... 😂
I saw the length of this video and thought "Bill must be picking four or five locks here".
Wow, how tricky was that??? Good on ya, BB.
Very nice job my friend nice lock to😊👍😊👍😊😎
Nice fight! You are the best 👍
Nice pick, and pinning Mr.Bill
I knew almost nothing about lock picking before watching your vids, now for some reason i cant stop watching them hehe, a very zen feeling watching u pick the locks.. oh, by the way, whats with the name bosnian bill, slovenian here.. just wondering
Jaka Kosmac Man, just keep watching and it won't be long before you make your own picks or buy some online and get into doing it yourself too... ;-)
Welcome to LockSport! I was in Bosnia when I created my account, years ago. Everyone on the team called me Bosnianbill because I was the only one that spoke the language. Capture someone? "Call Bosnianbill to ask him some questions!" - that sort of thing.
It would have been even more interesting to see how you coped if you replaced the damaged spring. Thanks for the superb videos, Bill.
Another awesome video.
if you go to 17:38 you can clearly see part of the spring sticking up.
**pours one out for our retired homey** WE ALL MISS YOU BILL
Hi bill great video. Is it possible that pin 6 being so short and the top pin also being short that both fit flush in the plug allowing the spring to be snagged when picked if pin 6 isn’t picked and gets caught. Then when the key was forced in it pushed the pin past the spring?
Nice little challenge.
I have acquired 6 pin kwikset locks from Restore with wide-topped keyways just like that. As others have suggested, I tape multiple TOK wrenches together so they fit snuggly in the keyway. Looks like a tough lock and I really like keypin number 1.
I was screaming at the screen, Bill take a pair of fine tweezers and pull out the loose end of the spring to at least release the pin the right way. Speaking of a different kind of spring, greetings from Sweden where we still have winter with snow falling and no birds singing as of yet.
How can that be?
Even if the spring broke off the bottom part should not be able to pass the pin.
Was the spring stretched out and the pin inserted inside of it?
Was the pinner-upper not at his wit's end?
SLORRIFJART321 yeah the spring in #6 was sticking out... Bill get your eyes checked ...
SLORRIFJART321 ,
yeah, my guess is that the spring was stretched out & pin driven in together... for effect.
not only does it take away feedback, & messes with tension play... it holds under light tension, allowing you to believe still having a binding pin.
Great video!
I think when you were showing the Bible with pin 6 still in place I saw the spring sticking way up .... either that or it was a long scratch ...
Also wish you’d have given a wrap-up commentary on the pins as they related to you SPP’ing feedback... surprisingly a lot of magic in the key pins ... I think that the pin 3 false set must have been in an overset condition as the only spooling was on the key pin? Great pins and a lot of fun viewing 👍🏻
Hi Bill .... When you get sneaky locks that have lock pins that lock the barrel up and stop rotation, how do you get out of the situation once the barrel is locked ... ? Is the lock now toast when the anti tamper pins have locked the barrel up ... ?
It depends on how they trap was designed, but lately they have been NON-recoverable - meaning the lock is ruined unless I can somehow gut the pins.
MMMmm non- recoverable .... So not a good idea to have one of these on a one entrance apartment ... Unless someone can develop one of these that is recoverable with the genuine key ... ! I'm amazed that most of these locks are defeated so easily .... Regards from the UK ... Keep up the great interesting work, mesmerizing ... !!!! Did you see my comment on the Bowley ... ? I'm also a machinist by trade so lock picking is becoming a bit of an interest for me .. Cheers Bill .... ;-)
WOW 👍🏻
I believe the piece of spring was meant to be where it was. Between the Bible and core pins. The spring steel would have caused the binding. Look at the spring closely and see if it was cut or sheared.
Nick, I'm amazed Bill didn't praise you, for not torturing him by wrapping the key like a ... mummy.
9 min. 13 sec😓. That was a close one Bill😃
Bill you often wonder out loud if we can see stuff. We totally can see stuff and apparently much better than you can. I'm not sure how springs escape from their home but they most certainly do then and now probably during reassembly. Most of use are wondering why you didn't see that #6 spring was was attempting an escape.
My problem (well, ONE of my problems - I have MANY, just ask my wife) it that I'm forced to view things through the camera lens, which is only 2" wide, so everything is TINY and slightly pixelated. I need to accept that it is actually filming in HD and get on with it.
Just a thought Bill. Stack the normal top of the key way tensioners together and stick em in when they do this. You got different thicknesses and probably 300 of those things around.
I cant believe u didnt see the spring sticking out past the pin on the inside. Still a great vid as usual.
17:39 there is a good look at the spring.
That cap is supposed to slide off and on is it not?
Lucas Vander Schelde also can clip from the top you can put it on with downward pressure depending on what it is made from it shouldn't deform if it is quality
Well.... Now I know why bill's fingers are always cut up 😂
Brian J it's from his cat's...
That's sounds exactly like something his knives would say.
knives, cats, hammers, pliers, gardening, weed wackers, handcuffs, no wait...not handcuffs.
I don't even know how many times I've stabbed my fingers with an ice pick trying to use it to pry something.
Which one is the best pick resistant deadbolt
Can you pick this lock: M80 Deadbolts
Hey Bill, does the cylinder fit in just as tight after removing the broken spring?
THR33STEP sure it’s not reassembled yet champ
We need a new category, "Whipped By, Gutting Edition"!
I think the bad spring was intentional. I think he wound it around the driver and in between the plug and lock body. Pretty tricky.
Try taping two tensioners together to overcome the wider drilled-out key way
Damn that's a stubborn lock mate ... Done well , just goes to show with a bit of patients anything is achievable 😋🍻🔓
Good fight, Bill wins again 🔓
did nick not comment on this? that spring pin definately looked intentional and im curious about it lol
I've got a qwikset with a keyway like that. I use a flat dogear tok wrench from the five piece sparrows set to tension it. That's the only lock in my collection like it. I turned it into a training lock.
the intro looks nice
What a naughty lock
Kwikset has a problem with 1 depths and the standard top pin required when picking their locks. The spring will be below the shearline. If I remember correctly their top pins are .165 drivers
To prevent this I used .175 or .180 drivers
Lol, is that key wrapper a cheeky comedy-stab at "bosnian" bill? 😄
That lock should have been a lot easier suprised you got it with that spring like that
I can tell you exactly what happened, pin 6 had too short a driver. when he finished that lock he picked it himself, but never touched pin 6 because it never bound up. since the driver on 6 was too short that left the spring in the shear line when he monkeyed the core to the open position. once he was satisfied with his lock he stuck the key in, forcing the driver into the shear line around the mangled spring, taking it out of play entirely, but killing all feedback in the process.
the extreme difficulty of this lock ironically was entirely a product of poor assembly.
Surely I'm not the only one who's thinking how many of 'Locksmith Nicks' locks have mashed up springs! 😕
Shouldn’t be picking those locks, then. That spring wouldn’t have been mashed up from the key.
I was looking at Padlocks online today and noticed about several Abus 72/40's priced from $75.00 - $160.00...
If you want to prevent him from picking the top of key way then drill out top of the key way
Anyone else curious what bill sounds like at the end of ten minutes? I bet it melts the video, so we never see them.
the sharp stuff is at the tip of your fingers...if you are wolverine. 😝
There was a loud chirper outside throughout the 7th minute
So my background is engineering and I have an inquisitive mine and love solving puzzles, hence my interest in lock picking and especially your attempts at challenge locks. But I ask myself: what is the point of security pins in key pins since they don’t come into play unless you overset them. I would be extremely interested in your consideration of this issue. Keep up the good work and please do more co;;abortive stuff wit the Lock Picking Lawyer.
Great question. You are correct, in "normal" locks the security pins are almost irrelevant. Almost, but they DO offer resistance against unskilled pickers. In some locks, the key chambers are threaded, have seams, or the lock contains a floating core or sleeve. In THOSE locks, all pins get hung up and increase the picking resistance of the lock. Take a look at the Ruko 500 for a perfect example of this.
Bosnianbill I see. Many thanks for the explanation.
Bill seriously you make me cringe with fear when you start using knives and screwdrivers, now I know why your hands are busted up with cuts😂
Late to the game here, but, did... did he just use a Benchmade as a pry tool!? Best tools for the wrong job, I love it.
Fix the broken spring and try again? This seems like fake difficulty from the lock being broken, not real difficulty from locksmith skill.
It’s the picking that broke the spring, though.
I'm waiting for someone to smooth off the entire front of a lock just to keep BB from using TOK...
Jason Mizuno ya, was just thinking about that.
With it all milled away and a very low #1 pin you would really be in your own way trying to go BOK.
I was partially kidding. People going to some amazing lengths to try to make it harder to pick. Seems like there's been a lot of people drilling out the top of the keyway lately. Just like mummifying the keys. I am half expecting to see a key in a welded metal box one of these days.
Jason Mizuno you may have been kidding, but I wasn’t lol
bosnianbill, is that a healing cat scratch on your right fore-finger?
The Martian happens
birds ahhh tweeting
on repeat?
that lock is tampered allready not factory assembly because the pin are not standard.
there is no challenge lock that is factory.
Nr 1 yeeey
ASMR anyone