As a machine shop owner with 16 full size cnc machines, I will say The Syil is built just like a $80-$150k cnc mill while the tormach is built like a grizzly with a cnc controller. The engineering side of me thinks who in the hell would put the electrical cabinet access inside the cutting area.
I own zero machines but I have to agree. It just seems like the cons far outweigh any advantages you get from putting it there. Coolant and chips get everywhere in a mill eventually.
Thanks for the video, that's a beautiful Tormach it has been well maintained you can tell. This is my first look at the Syil. I like what I am seeing and look forward you your other videos on it!
Wish I knew about Syil before I bought an 1100mx. Sorta jelly bout the new epoxy granite. Would of cost me the same minus probing. Thou I got a 4th, probing, tool setter, buck boost, auto oiler, skimmer, tool changer, 10k spindle and all the other upgrades possible, the syil would of been slightly better decked out with all that and a real mans Fanuc control.
Nice walk around vid, thanks. Looks like a 1/4 HP coolant pump, that should give a better flow than 1/8 (or 1/10) HP. It looks like a 3 point leveling system? that would have to be easier than a 4 point system. How would you rate the finish of the X7 compared to the 1100 ? Do the panels line up? Paint finish? - those first impression things. Any general purchasing experience feedback you want to share? I have an 1100 S3 and have been looking at Syil lathes.
Chris, thanks! The X7 comes fully assembled and the enclosure is two pieces that are fully welded. So there are no screws or bolts like the Tromach, except where it bolts to the base and the column. Id rate the fit 99%. The finish is close to the same but there is a couple of spots that look like the powder coat is a little thin. Not really noticeable unless you're looking for it. Yup the three point leveling was a breeze. I went and visited a X7 that was in use at a company close to me. My first impressions were this is a serious machine and it looks great. LOL I ordered a machine before I left the companies parking lot. The purchase process is pretty relaxed. Ask question and get a quote. After that they will send you an invoice for the purchase. Thanks for watching the video and commenting!
X7 100%! They are not in the same class of machines. It’s not even close. The tormach is a bench top hobby machine and the X7 is a true industrial machine.
@@jhofer1013 Syil by a long shot. Tormach as far as I know has no field service team. Syil NA has a field service team that will come on site and work on your machine. I think both Tormach and Syil will commission new machines however so that’s a plus.
@@platin2148 I haven’t used a shell mill on yet. Still getting tooled up. However I have run some parts that we ran on the Tormach. Cuts that would make the Tormach scream in the x direction there’s zero chatter on the Syil. We have had zero chatter issues with it so far.
For the money, I would go with a used real machining center. Syil looks like more capable machine of the two. Nothing against those machines but you're going to out grow the small spindle in a hurry. Started with diy machine that weighs around 1.2t metric. It's accurate and all but lacks power. So it's just collecting dust and I use my Emco vmc300 for all the work.
It depends what you're making. I've just ordered a Syil to replace my Haas mini mill. For an extra £5k I can get a faster spindle, tool setter, fourth and probing and macros. With the Haas that would have been an extra £20-£25k and then only a 6k spindle not 12k. I only make small pieces that are mainly consumer goods; bits for keyboards and none pressurised diving gear. So for me going down from BT40 to BT30 makes no odds. Getting a real machining centre at the price I paid for the Syil would mean a 20 year old heavily used, high spindle hours beast: the risk of buying a lemon with that is high. So it's horses for courses really and depends what you make :-)
@@iDiveDOTtv Yes its true old used machine has its risks, I bought my Emco 300vmc as a faulty unit, but it was from university and mostly has cut air. 10000 hours powered and around 2000 feed hours. Iron is like new, not even any paint missing. One sensor faulty and one bad solder on spindle amp. Always a good idea ask around local colleges and universities if they are updating. Syil is a good option for startups and small shops, seems like ok machine for the price. Would not even consider Tormentmach. Haas, well its the way they run the business I don't like. They wont deliver parts for too long and everything is proprietary. I would go with Siemens Fanuc or some other dependable controller that has good parts availability even after 20 years.
I do not see much of a comparison coming out of this video. Not mentioning many specs... But I think that the Tormach is an inferior product with bad QC. Syil is promising!
@@TrolloTV sure you do. You have it inspected, or you go inspect it yourself, or you do both inspect yourself and have the local mtd check it out. It's not that difficult.
@@MaDuceRules hmm, I watched a vid recently and it looked like x7 was over 35k. Tormach 1100M without upper enclosure and tool changer (both can be easily done for much less once you have the machine) - was just 16k. I mean I understand that Syil much better machine, but for some people this difference might be big.
@@KyrychenkoAnton Bro the 1100MX was $38k + freight when i looked at it. 16K is the base machine with absolutely nothing and not the MX version, the crap version with TTS, steppers, no spindle encoder, etc.
Tormach is for the nothingness entering hobby-milling
And Syill is for hobbyists entering Industry
100%
@@MaDuceRules 🙂
As a machine shop owner with 16 full size cnc machines, I will say The Syil is built just like a $80-$150k cnc mill while the tormach is built like a grizzly with a cnc controller.
The engineering side of me thinks who in the hell would put the electrical cabinet access inside the cutting area.
I own zero machines but I have to agree. It just seems like the cons far outweigh any advantages you get from putting it there. Coolant and chips get everywhere in a mill eventually.
Thanks for the video, that's a beautiful Tormach it has been well maintained you can tell. This is my first look at the Syil. I like what I am seeing and look forward you your other videos on it!
Great walk-around a lot of things you can't see via Syil
Thanks!
Great walk around, thanks
Wow! I want a shop tour video!
It’s in the works!
That Syil is going to blow that tormach away
That thing is sweet! Awesome shop, how is it so clean?! Nice tour of the machine and some tips. Can't wait to see it cutting some metal!
Thanks! I cleaned for the video. LOL.
Beautiful shop!
Thanks for posting. I have been considering one of these X7’s. Have you considered a 4th axis?
I would get the 4th axis if I was doing it all over again.
Inside the Tormach, the electric box is giving me the nervous.
It's in a properly rated enclosure.
@benargee I'm sure it is but it just feels wrong.
Wish I knew about Syil before I bought an 1100mx. Sorta jelly bout the new epoxy granite. Would of cost me the same minus probing. Thou I got a 4th, probing, tool setter, buck boost, auto oiler, skimmer, tool changer, 10k spindle and all the other upgrades possible, the syil would of been slightly better decked out with all that and a real mans Fanuc control.
Can you do a comparison of a x7 and x5???
Nice overview. I like the T slot guards, where did you get them from, and I'm assuming 16mm wide?
Thanks! They are from octane work holding.
Nice walk around vid, thanks. Looks like a 1/4 HP coolant pump, that should give a better flow than 1/8 (or 1/10) HP. It looks like a 3 point leveling system? that would have to be easier than a 4 point system. How would you rate the finish of the X7 compared to the 1100 ? Do the panels line up? Paint finish? - those first impression things. Any general purchasing experience feedback you want to share? I have an 1100 S3 and have been looking at Syil lathes.
Chris, thanks! The X7 comes fully assembled and the enclosure is two pieces that are fully welded. So there are no screws or bolts like the Tromach, except where it bolts to the base and the column. Id rate the fit 99%. The finish is close to the same but there is a couple of spots that look like the powder coat is a little thin. Not really noticeable unless you're looking for it. Yup the three point leveling was a breeze. I went and visited a X7 that was in use at a company close to me. My first impressions were this is a serious machine and it looks great. LOL I ordered a machine before I left the companies parking lot. The purchase process is pretty relaxed. Ask question and get a quote. After that they will send you an invoice for the purchase. Thanks for watching the video and commenting!
great video where did you get the t slot covers??
Thanks! They are from Octane Work Holding. www.octaneworkholding.com
I have yet to see at least one X7 video where it cuts steel without chatter and crazy resonant sound.
Perhaps you should take a look at the vids that Nerdly puts out, he only cuts tool steel only in his X7.
x7 or tormack if you can use only one?
X7 100%! They are not in the same class of machines. It’s not even close. The tormach is a bench top hobby machine and the X7 is a true industrial machine.
@@MaDuceRules ❤
Thanks for the video.
QUESTION IS, WHO HAS BETTER SERVICE???
@@jhofer1013 Syil by a long shot. Tormach as far as I know has no field service team. Syil NA has a field service team that will come on site and work on your machine. I think both Tormach and Syil will commission new machines however so that’s a plus.
how big is the screen
15”
@@MaDuceRules What’s a machine with these specifications cost?
To get this in my cellar i would have to disassemble it completely.
That might be a problem!
@@MaDuceRules How much chatter does it have? Say with a 40mm shell mill in mild steel.
@@platin2148 I haven’t used a shell mill on yet. Still getting tooled up. However I have run some parts that we ran on the Tormach. Cuts that would make the Tormach scream in the x direction there’s zero chatter on the Syil. We have had zero chatter issues with it so far.
What size RPC did u get
Its a 15HP American Rotary. Its the one Syil recommends for the X7.
Here is a link to it on Amazon which is the best price I found. amzn.to/3LzxaVb
For the money, I would go with a used real machining center. Syil looks like more capable machine of the two. Nothing against those machines but you're going to out grow the small spindle in a hurry.
Started with diy machine that weighs around 1.2t metric. It's accurate and all but lacks power. So it's just collecting dust and I use my Emco vmc300 for all the work.
It depends what you're making. I've just ordered a Syil to replace my Haas mini mill. For an extra £5k I can get a faster spindle, tool setter, fourth and probing and macros. With the Haas that would have been an extra £20-£25k and then only a 6k spindle not 12k. I only make small pieces that are mainly consumer goods; bits for keyboards and none pressurised diving gear. So for me going down from BT40 to BT30 makes no odds.
Getting a real machining centre at the price I paid for the Syil would mean a 20 year old heavily used, high spindle hours beast: the risk of buying a lemon with that is high. So it's horses for courses really and depends what you make :-)
@@iDiveDOTtv Yes its true old used machine has its risks, I bought my Emco 300vmc as a faulty unit, but it was from university and mostly has cut air. 10000 hours powered and around 2000 feed hours. Iron is like new, not even any paint missing. One sensor faulty and one bad solder on spindle amp.
Always a good idea ask around local colleges and universities if they are updating. Syil is a good option for startups and small shops, seems like ok machine for the price. Would not even consider Tormentmach. Haas, well its the way they run the business I don't like. They wont deliver parts for too long and everything is proprietary. I would go with Siemens Fanuc or some other dependable controller that has good parts availability even after 20 years.
how much price please
It’s different depending on your location. Just contact Syil through their web site.
Syil is 100x the machine
Agreed! It not really a fare comparison. They are two different categories.
Eh. I'd say it's better but not 100x better.
I do not see much of a comparison coming out of this video.
Not mentioning many specs...
But I think that the Tormach is an inferior product with bad QC.
Syil is promising!
Sweet machines
good video
Thanks!
Tormach still use stepper motor?
M and MX Mills use ClearPath Servos. MX has BT30 spindle with rigid tapping etc.
Tormach look like toy, Syil like serious machine.
My question is why invest this kind of money in those when a used vmc which would wipe the floor with them would be cheaper
Your word keep running on my head 😣 sad but true
@@Rokmononov I laughed to hard at your reply! So true though, you get what you paid for
But you don’t know what you’re getting with a used machine.
@@TrolloTV sure you do. You have it inspected, or you go inspect it yourself, or you do both inspect yourself and have the local mtd check it out. It's not that difficult.
Well yeah Syil is of course overall better machine, but it also costs twice as much as Tormach, so..
It was 3K more than a 1100MX similarly equipped.
@@MaDuceRules hmm, I watched a vid recently and it looked like x7 was over 35k. Tormach 1100M without upper enclosure and tool changer (both can be easily done for much less once you have the machine) - was just 16k. I mean I understand that Syil much better machine, but for some people this difference might be big.
@@KyrychenkoAnton Bro the 1100MX was $38k + freight when i looked at it. 16K is the base machine with absolutely nothing and not the MX version, the crap version with TTS, steppers, no spindle encoder, etc.
yeah I know, but you can kinda start even with steppers and TTS though. I'm not sure about encoders, TTS has locking right? @@OtisFlint
Two China things.