I used to manual machine monel when I was 18 as an apprentice. We made high end metrology equipment and there were all sorts of exotic materials used with a lot of Inconel due to its low coefficient of expansion, it helps control the stability of your measurements.
I once turned K500 on a Mazak. That stuff feels like tough chewing gum. When you rub your finger over the surfa e after turning, if feels smooth in the direction you turned, but grabs the skin if you go the other way. But it was a nice learning and experience
Same here. It wasn't K500 but it was monel, also done on a Mazak. From what I remember it wasn't fun to cut but it wasn't THAT bad. Worst materials I've ever cut were Chromel and Alumel with the latter being the absolute worst, worse than Hastelloy X actually.
I work for G.E. Aerospace and we run inconel for the majority of our parts. Along with another material called rene. These go in jet engines for Boeing and Airbus. Love this industry!
What I tell folks that blows their minds is machining nickel/inconel parts with ceramic inserts! Heats it up, scoops it out like ice cream. Lava ice cream LOL
The toughest part of machining Inconel, Hastelloy, and Monel isn't just that the metals start off gummy, it's that they exhibit severe work hardening, particularly during machining - the tool bites into gummy, sticky material which then gets super hard before finally breaking off. 300-series stainless steel does this as well but it's not as gummy to start with and doesn't harden up as much as the nickel-based alloys. Case in point: a foundry I used to work at poured some Hastelloy C-22 castings that required mechanical property testing. We thought it would be okay to machine those test bars in-house just like we would with any carbon steel, alloy steel, or stainless steel, putting them through our Puma just like we would any of those materials. The properties we got didn't quite make sense until we sent test material to an area contract laboratory. Their results were perfectly in line with expectations...because as I later found out, our machining process cranked the hardness up from the 180ish range on the Brinell scale to well over 400, whereas the outside lab using the right speeds/feeds/inserts/coolant kept the hardness down where it ought to be.
@@narmale If we take each element's alloys as a whole? Nickel. Not all copper-based alloys are challenging to machine, and indeed brass (copper mixed with zinc) is the gold standard for machinability. Many copper alloys can be tough, but brasses and bronzes can be very forgiving. On the flip side, I can't think of a nickel alloy that is anywhere near that easy to machine...Inconel (Ni-Cr-Fe) is tough to machine, Hastelloy (Ni-Mo-Cr) is tough to machine, Monel (Ni-Cu) is tough to machine, Incoloy (Ni-Fe-Cr) is tough to machine, the wackier superalloys like René/Waspaloy/Nimonic are tough to machine...there's a theme, and that theme is that nickel-based alloys are challenging for most machinists.
I want to see Titan take a field trip to the Army's Watervliet Arsenal, Watervliet, NY, where all the cannon barrels used by the US and all nations allied with the US are made. That shop makes 35-foot-long barrels for the M109A6 howitzer, and a cannon barrel MUST be laser-straight if you expect to hit anything with the weapon.
👋 Hi, it's very interesting to see. But as an application engineer from germany i highly recommend ultra short tool holder . You can hear the deflection from endmill to spindle. On the drilling side, the same, shorter tools and inner coolant for better performance. So you can produce more parts and safer. The material is heavy to handle. Greets from Germany 🤪
Hey titan, I'vd love to see maybe 5 parts made and cnc'd on this machine checked by cmm to check the repeatibility of the machine. Thanks guys, love the content.
That is coming. Right now we are seeing .0002-.0003
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IDEA FOR A VIDEO: How about a machining competition between 5 of your top machinist? identical part, same machine, you could give points for, type of setup, speed, finish, tolerance, etc, only 1 stipulation, the part has to be for an actual customer, what do you say? are you up for this challenge? Love to see it!
They are top-dog. All machinists but working on difference machines. Milling machines, lathe, Swiss Machine, EDM, grinder, metrology guy, inspector…. And not only they are machinists but they are certified instructors at Titan Of CNC Academy as well. Again they are some of finest machinists supervised by the only celebrity machinist Titan Gilroy. ❤😂
We talked about doing this but Barry and Trevor knew I would win so now they just go ahead and give me the trophy 🤣🤣
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@@Jessie_Smith Yeah, I get it, they both do come off as being a little intimidated by your superior machining abilities, they should at least try though, I know it's a long shot but, you never know, one of them might just pull it off and win.
Really nice to see. I love your videos with all info and tech talk, and I love the perfection, and from time to time just do something just for the sake of perfection, because it's cool to get it perfect sometimes, just because you can.
Inconel and cobalt chrome are some of the hardest materials I've machined. Tool steel like A2&D2,cpm3v and cpm9v when i was in a die shop. Before and after heat treat. Sometimes the die didn't stamp out correct and i had to remove thirty thou here or there. Proper speeds and feeds are most critical on the hard materials. Tool selection,proper coatings important too. We use mostly SGS carbide. Harvey and micro tool carbides are good. The cheap hogmills off Amazon work pretty good too. For the price they're amazing. Accusize is the name I think. They will surprise you.
I like it when you push the tools beyond what others say is the norm. The two things I learned a long time ago where “if you are not cutting you are dulling”! And “you want to put the vast majority of the heat generated into the chip not the tool or the coolant “! The tool that lasts the longest is the tool that is not used. A tool can only rub for so many miles or feet before it is worn out. A tool that is not used is a decoration; or just jewelry, hiding in a box.
Had to machine K monel several times in the 90s. The shop i worked in was cheap when it came to buying the best tooling that was available then. Needless to say i was glad to see the last of that material
Your gonna have way better support, service and spare parts availability if you go with Haas because they have local offices in most major metropolitan areas.
@@funwitharobotthat's true but part of the reason factory support is so good with Haas is because it has to be. They lock down stuff in the control that you don't have access to without paying a tech $250 an hour to come out and fix it for you. Not a knock on Haas but a lot of guys just starting out aren't looking to deal with the cost of having to outsource all of their maintenance activities. If you're a bigger shop and too busy to spend the time doing it yourself then yeah it makes sense to farm that out.
Monel! The Stainless Steel of the first half of the 20th Century.. found naturally in Canada on the rim of a gigantic meteor crater. Nickle+Copper.. Oil and water... what a fascinating alloy. AND HEAVY
Monel K500 is a material we use at my work, I work for Lonestar fasteners Europe (American based, but for the European sector).. We use a good amount of "up there" materials Inconel 625 718 and 725.. Monel and K500.. Astalloy and waspalloy (or how it's spelt it's a rare sight) and tbh even the guy with 30yrs won't touch them if he can get away it.. Im 36 years old and a manual machinist on ward 3db and 7D lathes. We make specialty stuff for oil, petrochemical, gas, hydro power and turbines. It doesn't faze me that much of a material, once you've dialed in the speeds and hand pressure, I won't run it on auto feed on my machine the speeds are too much. I use carbide and carbide tip drills along with boring tools with high end strength tips and go with a steady hand pressure and absolutely drown the sucker in coolant, running 800rpm trying not to soak myself with off spray 😂 Good to see some hardcore material being ran, what you guys got planned next I wonder.. I'll be watching
The first U5 is being shipped next month in. Chicago, we will hopefully have our hands on one mid summer. From what I have seen, at the casting level, it’s gorgeous!
Nice video. BUT. I got all hyped up by Titan's videos, full depth of cut etc etc. On our BT30 machine (other well known brand) I machined a whole run of engineering steel in a period of a month. And surprise surprise, the taper bellowed out, and machine needed a new spindle! It sounded good, it cut well, parts came out good, was using new sharp high performance carbide cutters, plenty of higher concentration coolant etc etc. I was told to go back to manufacturers cutting tables...
These guys do treat machines as almost disposables. It's a decent strategy to succeed though, because it means you can potentially have higher throughput than your competitors.
J'ai 20 ans d'usinage a mon compteur et tout ce que je vois dans leur vidéos c'est : une bande de gros nounours casseur de machines , les vitesses de coupes ne sont pas respectées ni adapté à la machine , les porte-à-faux sont monstrueux, la profondeur de passe est juste immense pour la fraise et la machine utilisé, même le maintien du brut est ridicule...heureusement que kennametal donne des valeurs a renseigner dans mastercam . S'ils avaient du programmer a la main en code G et déduire les paramètres de coupe par eux même , ils auraient cassé une autre machine ...
@@LumaLabs a little bit of surface rust on a tool holder probably from sitting around in their shop for a while doesn't mean that the spindle is trashed.
Awesome Titan I've purchased the syil x7 and the CNC is sitting in my garage just waiting to hook up the single to 3 phase. Syil were brilliant with me I had some family drama's where I had to spend my money elsewhere and Mr Xushuo and Mr Wang kept my deal I had with them for over year until we located and got my granddaughter back, they were great. Cheers all the best mate
I noticed that you talk a lot about Aerospace parts. I worked for a company that main material was beryllium and albmet we wore all the necessary safety equipment. But I thought it might be interesting for people to understand the materials used in aerospace.
I don't envy you. Be is awful and horrible to machine, and likes to break for little to no reason at all, and without warning, not to mention the cost of the stuff. 😮
I've made some prop shafts out of K500 for unlimited blown alcohol race boats, I have to say pig of a material to machine, hell on the tools, particularly milling the keyways is pretty much a brand new slot drill for every keyway! It's also difficult to source here in Australia, had to import the last lot from the U.K. makes for expensive parts.
You guys gotta get your hands on some 5 flute helical solutions high performance chamfer tools. They are the real deal. 5 flutes top to bottom tipped off or sharp and they tolerance their tip diameters way tighter than the industry standard, so there is very little adjusting needed to do from tool to tool. I know you run Kennametal because of the brand deal, but seriously in this one niche they've got the pants beat off kennametal.
Do you think you can produce Stainless Steel parts on this machine? Not a crazy number of parts, we machine parts out of 303 and 304. Depending on the torque wrench adaptor model we are machining, we either do some minor profiling or machine the whole adaptor out of a block.
We used to do inconell 600 claded with steel. I know the pain. Lol, I wrote a macro with a button cutter to substantially increase feeds and reduce run times on 12 foot bars.
I told Keith to park an X7 next to a new Super Mini mill and see how they compare lol. Would be interesting. Obviously the Haas control is a major pro but inevitably guys that own these machines are going to start finishing the development on the Syntec side and make more of a polished control package. Really excited to see content on the X9.
Have you heard of Vanadis 4 Extra superclean? I've macnined that material after hardening and it's hardness is 58-64 Hrc, where Monel K500 is 28-40 Rc.
What is more difficult to machine? Stellite 6B or Monel K500?? Im not a machinist, but a Master Micro-Finishing-Deburr Technician in the Aerospace industry. Any parts made of either of those two materials are very challanging to work with at my work center using carbide and abrasives.
Bro i machined some cpm 10v heat treated to 64 rockwell C. Nothing will eat tools like this stuff it's the highest wear resistant tool steel out there. Makes your monel look like butter.
How does this material compare to hastelloy? I used to work in a shop that ran mostly stainless but also monel and hastelloy, I'm not sure what grade either of them were, but the hastelloy was significantly harder on the tooling. We made mostly hose barb fittings/couplings/valves for pure chlorine applications.
Wow Titan. Looks like that new machine is just “Killin it”. Very impressive. You just have to get out on the shop floor and run those machines. I believe that you would go crazy just doing podcasts. Action speaks louder than words. Great video!!
Not just the sound, you get used to the feel of the vibration pretty quick too. I've machined plenty where the sound isn't quite right but the vibration is perfect
Thanks Titan, this certainly is an impressive demonstration of this Machines capabilities. Of course with your Master of Skills has alot to do with it.👍👍 The Harvy3 is impressive. I always enjoy your videos. Thanks for sharing.
speaking of abrasive material do you guys ever cut carbon fiber? my shop mainly cuts carbon fiber and id be curious if you guys would take any sort of different approach. though too we always struggle to find the tools we want.
The company I work for LMT Onsrud has specialized cutters for composites like carbon fiber. I think you should look them up and speak with the tool lab about the proper tool for the job and the feeds and speeds. I'm currently an apprentice with them right now and I'm having a fantastic time
When does it make sense to Upgrade the standard 12k rpm BT30 spindle, for a 30k rpm HSK40e spindle (ca.8800$ price difference)? The main materials will be AW7075 and TI6Al4V
Not sure if you know but Monel (NiCu) is relatively soft compared to Inconel. Now K-Monel (NiCuAl) is hard but still not as hard as inconel. It’s used in steam systems because of its tensile strength when exposed to high pressure and high temperature will be quite strong. That’s why they are called Nickel Superalloys. There’s a guy on TH-cam who talks about the metallurgy of Nickel Superalloys.
Yep, I explained it in the video. Monel has Copper and Inconel has chromium which is harder… so Inconel breaks a chip better. Softer, Gummy Monel is Nasty on tools because it’s softer and abrasive etc
@@TITANSofCNC yeah, I can see that. Im an outside machinist for the DoD (navy) we use a lot of those types of alloys. steam systems and high pressure air systems, steel isn’t used as much because although strong WHEN COLD, does not hold up as good as the nickel alloys. It’s actually pretty cool. I see it every day and worse I have to destructively remove fasteners (some 2 inches plus) from flanges or machine flanges of that material. Hy80 or Hy100 is fun too lol it would be interesting if you could get your hands on some Hy100 and try some stuff
Can be tossed in the trash. But most shops have big chip bins that get emptied at scrap yards, I could be wrong but I believe you get money for it just like regular scrap metal. Maybe a bit less if the chips are from different materials.
I would be just as excited as Titan IF I owned one of these machines... IF I could afford one of these machines...... IF I made and sold parts using this machine and IF I just had my own parking spot here at the complex............ NICE work Titan !👍👍👍
Hi titans I'm trying to machine arc spray bond coat on an engine block deck which is quite soft but super abrasive- with CBN button tip. The tip is worn in about 14 inches. Can't even do one full cut along the deck which is about 6 and a half feet long. Have you got any ideas? I've tried all feeds and speeds. Lasts the longest at 300 rpm .007" per rev with a 12" fly cutter. Guessing I need a different tip.
When it did those quick z axis moments with the drill there where a clapping sound. I assume that was the go pro that made that sound ? Just asking to make 100% sure
Why would you want the tool to drop down prior to the tool change? Now you have all the chips and coolant going up into the tool carousel because the door is open since the tool is hanging down. Seems like the 1 second saved isn't worth it. Is there a k bit or setting to change this?
Been waiting on this video. Wasn’t let down. Hopefully my products take off soon so I can afford one of those. Really looking at the lathes they got too. Could have a pretty decent start up shop for a hundred grand.
I just machined some poppet valves from Monel K500 for SpaceX on my Swiss (I know, it sucked). I’d been under the impression that K500 was more machinable than Inconel 718 which I’m making hex bolts out of now.
I'm not afraid of that material. C6 casting is probably the hardest material to cut. I've cut titanium that has to replace the insert after every pass. Will say though, mill is much different than lathe. I would run any material fairly easily on a lathe, them it would go to mill, and all the problems would begin. I wasn't running the mill, so I'm sure it was a mix of machine and operator on the mill.
Hey Titans... Have you tried SolidCAM iMachining? If yes, How do you guys compare it with MasterCAM. Would like to see a comparison video of Machining Titanium with both packages
Can i burrow that finished part... I need to remove the seat belt torx head bolts on my 1988 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe... That is what it feels like trying to remove those nasty things, thst you need a torx bit this size to even phase'em... I bet this stuff EDM's like a dream though!!!
SYIL are entry class machines, at good value for money. Owners will typically work with 'standard' grade materials. This is just a demo put to the extreme, the machines are not made with the intend to regulary work with such tough materials. Companies into such on a regualry basis naturally goes for the high end machines, but its interesting to see the capability of Syil, if one once in a while comes into tough materials.
Hey Titan, I’m using 735 in my X7 for the last 3 years at 5 Brix, so 7.5%. I’m mostly cutting Aluminium. Should I run a higher concentration? I’m getting great surface finish at 7.5%
That coolant looks real almond-milky, with our coolant oil milky is about the right look for a 12% mix with stainless. What oil and percentage are you running at??
Hours in use. What parts have been replaced. Listen to the spindle at low and high rpms to make sure it’s sounds smooth. Run the tables in rapid in large circles and rectangles and listen to the ballscrews, ways and motion etc. Ask if it’s been crashed. Listen to the Z Axis in motion. Turn everything off and on… pumps etc. Etc etc etc.
I used to manual machine monel when I was 18 as an apprentice.
We made high end metrology equipment and there were all sorts of exotic materials used with a lot of Inconel due to its low coefficient of expansion, it helps control the stability of your measurements.
I once turned K500 on a Mazak. That stuff feels like tough chewing gum.
When you rub your finger over the surfa e after turning, if feels smooth in the direction you turned, but grabs the skin if you go the other way.
But it was a nice learning and experience
Same here. It wasn't K500 but it was monel, also done on a Mazak. From what I remember it wasn't fun to cut but it wasn't THAT bad. Worst materials I've ever cut were Chromel and Alumel with the latter being the absolute worst, worse than Hastelloy X actually.
Nice to see Titan himself back on the machine .
But it's Monel k500. Whew! Makes titanium seem easy as anything to machine.
@@drafty0183 im pretty sure his name isnt Monel K500 Gilroy :P
Love it ❤
He wasn't "on the machine". He stood there while the camera was rolling.
I’m not a machinist but this is like watching Rembrandt describing a masterpiece step by step as he creates it. Cool. Love to watch.
I was for 5 years but it wasn’t working financially for me working at a restaurant was paying me more
I work for G.E. Aerospace and we run inconel for the majority of our parts. Along with another material called rene. These go in jet engines for Boeing and Airbus. Love this industry!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_41
What I tell folks that blows their minds is machining nickel/inconel parts with ceramic inserts! Heats it up, scoops it out like ice cream. Lava ice cream LOL
@@BrassBashersCeramic works great on uninterrupted cuts, but hit one nick or interruption and watch that insert disappear into a million pieces.
I do tons of heat treated 718, and nemonic. Fun stuff
I made my wedding bands out of some 718 on a hand lathe.
The toughest part of machining Inconel, Hastelloy, and Monel isn't just that the metals start off gummy, it's that they exhibit severe work hardening, particularly during machining - the tool bites into gummy, sticky material which then gets super hard before finally breaking off. 300-series stainless steel does this as well but it's not as gummy to start with and doesn't harden up as much as the nickel-based alloys.
Case in point: a foundry I used to work at poured some Hastelloy C-22 castings that required mechanical property testing. We thought it would be okay to machine those test bars in-house just like we would with any carbon steel, alloy steel, or stainless steel, putting them through our Puma just like we would any of those materials. The properties we got didn't quite make sense until we sent test material to an area contract laboratory. Their results were perfectly in line with expectations...because as I later found out, our machining process cranked the hardness up from the 180ish range on the Brinell scale to well over 400, whereas the outside lab using the right speeds/feeds/inserts/coolant kept the hardness down where it ought to be.
which is worse? nickel based or copper based alloys?
@@narmale If we take each element's alloys as a whole? Nickel. Not all copper-based alloys are challenging to machine, and indeed brass (copper mixed with zinc) is the gold standard for machinability. Many copper alloys can be tough, but brasses and bronzes can be very forgiving.
On the flip side, I can't think of a nickel alloy that is anywhere near that easy to machine...Inconel (Ni-Cr-Fe) is tough to machine, Hastelloy (Ni-Mo-Cr) is tough to machine, Monel (Ni-Cu) is tough to machine, Incoloy (Ni-Fe-Cr) is tough to machine, the wackier superalloys like René/Waspaloy/Nimonic are tough to machine...there's a theme, and that theme is that nickel-based alloys are challenging for most machinists.
I want to see Titan take a field trip to the Army's Watervliet Arsenal, Watervliet, NY, where all the cannon barrels used by the US and all nations allied with the US are made. That shop makes 35-foot-long barrels for the M109A6 howitzer, and a cannon barrel MUST be laser-straight if you expect to hit anything with the weapon.
That would be cool!
👋 Hi, it's very interesting to see. But as an application engineer from germany i highly recommend ultra short tool holder . You can hear the deflection from endmill to spindle. On the drilling side, the same, shorter tools and inner coolant for better performance. So you can produce more parts and safer. The material is heavy to handle. Greets from Germany
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Great display of what these SYIL machines are capable of! Super impressed. Looking forward to seeing more projects on these machines!
I would want to see a print and QC report on tolerance but I’m pretty impressed with the little machine that could
Coming soon, stay tuned
Hey titan, I'vd love to see maybe 5 parts made and cnc'd on this machine checked by cmm to check the repeatibility of the machine. Thanks guys, love the content.
That is coming. Right now we are seeing .0002-.0003
IDEA FOR A VIDEO: How about a machining competition between 5 of your top machinist? identical part, same machine, you could give points for, type of setup, speed, finish, tolerance, etc, only 1 stipulation, the part has to be for an actual customer, what do you say? are you up for this challenge? Love to see it!
They are top-dog. All machinists but working on difference machines. Milling machines, lathe, Swiss Machine, EDM, grinder, metrology guy, inspector…. And not only they are machinists but they are certified instructors at Titan Of CNC Academy as well. Again they are some of finest machinists supervised by the only celebrity machinist Titan Gilroy. ❤😂
We talked about doing this but Barry and Trevor knew I would win so now they just go ahead and give me the trophy 🤣🤣
@@Jessie_Smith Yeah, I get it, they both do come off as being a little intimidated by your superior machining abilities, they should at least try though, I know it's a long shot but, you never know, one of them might just pull it off and win.
lol I guess I could design a competition that would give them a competitive advantage and then maybe take it easy on them so they have a chance lol.
And by the way, I’m screenshotting this and sending it to them
The graphics are so awesome. Hats off to your editors!
Really nice to see. I love your videos with all info and tech talk, and I love the perfection, and from time to time just do something just for the sake of perfection, because it's cool to get it perfect sometimes, just because you can.
Inconel and cobalt chrome are some of the hardest materials I've machined. Tool steel like A2&D2,cpm3v and cpm9v when i was in a die shop. Before and after heat treat. Sometimes the die didn't stamp out correct and i had to remove thirty thou here or there. Proper speeds and feeds are most critical on the hard materials. Tool selection,proper coatings important too. We use mostly SGS carbide. Harvey and micro tool carbides are good. The cheap hogmills off Amazon work pretty good too. For the price they're amazing. Accusize is the name I think. They will surprise you.
I like it when you push the tools beyond what others say is the norm.
The two things I learned a long time ago where “if you are not cutting you are dulling”! And “you want to put the vast majority of the heat generated into the chip not the tool or the coolant “!
The tool that lasts the longest is the tool that is not used. A tool can only rub for so many miles or feet before it is worn out. A tool that is not used is a decoration; or just jewelry, hiding in a box.
this was nice to watch. Im not machinist,I studied for mechanical engineer but i worked as machinist for 6 months in Končar...greetings from Croatia
We machine inconel to make the stage 9 to 14 compressor blades in the RR AE2100 engines as fitted to the C130J on 30 odd year old fadal cnc mills.
I like how Kennametal brings value to your business and in turn you bring value to their business by promoting the quality of their product.
@@willyharris4199 I know what a sponsorship is but not all sponsors provide quality.
Guys main income comes from youtube.....
We make Monel in our foundery and I machine the shit on equipment from the 1950s. All petrochem, blue origin and all that like you said. Crazy stuff.
Had to machine K monel several times in the 90s. The shop i worked in was cheap when it came to buying the best tooling that was available then. Needless to say i was glad to see the last of that material
These machines were so awesome to see run! The power the SYIL has is amazing! Small but Mighty!!!
Just like you, Chris!
I was about to pickup a used haas vf2 for my first machine but these have definitely caught my eye.
Will customer service be there (in the US) in 10 years though... thats the question...
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 with Titan becoming a distributor, SYIL is going to blow up into a big machine tool company!
Your gonna have way better support, service and spare parts availability if you go with Haas because they have local offices in most major metropolitan areas.
@@funwitharobotthat's true but part of the reason factory support is so good with Haas is because it has to be. They lock down stuff in the control that you don't have access to without paying a tech $250 an hour to come out and fix it for you. Not a knock on Haas but a lot of guys just starting out aren't looking to deal with the cost of having to outsource all of their maintenance activities. If you're a bigger shop and too busy to spend the time doing it yourself then yeah it makes sense to farm that out.
Monel! The Stainless Steel of the first half of the 20th Century.. found naturally in Canada on the rim of a gigantic meteor crater. Nickle+Copper.. Oil and water... what a fascinating alloy. AND HEAVY
In Sudbury?
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! The harmonics of the machine sounded great, the tooling held up, the part looks like jewelry. Chef's kiss 👌
Only have experience on a band saw cutting monel, 3 inch slugs were a 45 minute cut if you wanted it to cut straight.
It's not just the space industry. We use Monel in the food packaging industry.
That cut sounds good, very good at higher feed rate.
Monel K500 is a material we use at my work, I work for Lonestar fasteners Europe (American based, but for the European sector).. We use a good amount of "up there" materials Inconel 625 718 and 725.. Monel and K500.. Astalloy and waspalloy (or how it's spelt it's a rare sight) and tbh even the guy with 30yrs won't touch them if he can get away it..
Im 36 years old and a manual machinist on ward 3db and 7D lathes. We make specialty stuff for oil, petrochemical, gas, hydro power and turbines. It doesn't faze me that much of a material, once you've dialed in the speeds and hand pressure, I won't run it on auto feed on my machine the speeds are too much. I use carbide and carbide tip drills along with boring tools with high end strength tips and go with a steady hand pressure and absolutely drown the sucker in coolant, running 800rpm trying not to soak myself with off spray 😂
Good to see some hardcore material being ran, what you guys got planned next I wonder.. I'll be watching
It sounds like its transferring alot of the tool deflection into the spinle. Throughout the ways and guarding. I appreciate your videos.
I'm interesting in seeing the 5-axis version of the X7 or even the U5 in action
Me to. 5 axis please!
The first U5 is being shipped next month in. Chicago, we will hopefully have our hands on one mid summer. From what I have seen, at the casting level, it’s gorgeous!
Please post video!@@kgranno
Nice video. BUT. I got all hyped up by Titan's videos, full depth of cut etc etc. On our BT30 machine (other well known brand) I machined a whole run of engineering steel in a period of a month. And surprise surprise, the taper bellowed out, and machine needed a new spindle! It sounded good, it cut well, parts came out good, was using new sharp high performance carbide cutters, plenty of higher concentration coolant etc etc. I was told to go back to manufacturers cutting tables...
These guys do treat machines as almost disposables. It's a decent strategy to succeed though, because it means you can potentially have higher throughput than your competitors.
Take a look at the tool at 7:39 during the change. That spindle is 100% trashed already. Brown with the fretting infection.
@@zachbrown7272 That's because they are for them. They're demo machines on loan, not owned.
J'ai 20 ans d'usinage a mon compteur et tout ce que je vois dans leur vidéos c'est : une bande de gros nounours casseur de machines , les vitesses de coupes ne sont pas respectées ni adapté à la machine , les porte-à-faux sont monstrueux, la profondeur de passe est juste immense pour la fraise et la machine utilisé, même le maintien du brut est ridicule...heureusement que kennametal donne des valeurs a renseigner dans mastercam . S'ils avaient du programmer a la main en code G et déduire les paramètres de coupe par eux même , ils auraient cassé une autre machine ...
@@LumaLabs a little bit of surface rust on a tool holder probably from sitting around in their shop for a while doesn't mean that the spindle is trashed.
Awesome Titan I've purchased the syil x7 and the CNC is sitting in my garage just waiting to hook up the single to 3 phase.
Syil were brilliant with me I had some family drama's where I had to spend my money elsewhere and Mr Xushuo and Mr Wang kept my deal I had with them for over year until we located and got my granddaughter back, they were great. Cheers all the best mate
The surface finish is amazing!!
I noticed that you talk a lot about Aerospace parts. I worked for a company that main material was beryllium and albmet we wore all the necessary safety equipment. But I thought it might be interesting for people to understand the materials used in aerospace.
We have an AerospaceAcademy.com
It’s a work in progress.
Thanks
I don't envy you. Be is awful and horrible to machine, and likes to break for little to no reason at all, and without warning, not to mention the cost of the stuff. 😮
I've made some prop shafts out of K500 for unlimited blown alcohol race boats, I have to say pig of a material to machine, hell on the tools, particularly milling the keyways is pretty much a brand new slot drill for every keyway! It's also difficult to source here in Australia, had to import the last lot from the U.K. makes for expensive parts.
I don't care what anyone says...!!! These guys from TITAN are incredible professionals man,¡!
Question?
What if you heat up the Monel K500 before you started taking chips off?
I machine it for metallurgical testing. It makes inconel seem like butter but it is so hard on tooling.
But I'm looking at the load bar on the screen when I can and it looks really good all in the green!
You guys gotta get your hands on some 5 flute helical solutions high performance chamfer tools. They are the real deal. 5 flutes top to bottom tipped off or sharp and they tolerance their tip diameters way tighter than the industry standard, so there is very little adjusting needed to do from tool to tool. I know you run Kennametal because of the brand deal, but seriously in this one niche they've got the pants beat off kennametal.
Wanted to see if those smaller holes get tapped in cycle. Does MOnel work harden to a certain extent while machine tapping?
Definitely send like a plenty capable machine. Doing something it wasn't meant to, and still coming out like a champ.
Nice looking machine. Im currently nearly finished with my aprenticeship and when i have the money i would probably buy this machine.
What a machine! Awesome demonstration on what these SYIL machines can do
Do you think you can produce Stainless Steel parts on this machine? Not a crazy number of parts, we machine parts out of 303 and 304. Depending on the torque wrench adaptor model we are machining, we either do some minor profiling or machine the whole adaptor out of a block.
Yes with the proper tools and techniques… I will make some cool parts out of stainless and put another video out.
Would love to see a ceramic EM in action on this machine. You did it with the tormach, so let’s see it here
We used to do inconell 600 claded with steel. I know the pain. Lol, I wrote a macro with a button cutter to substantially increase feeds and reduce run times on 12 foot bars.
I told Keith to park an X7 next to a new Super Mini mill and see how they compare lol. Would be interesting. Obviously the Haas control is a major pro but inevitably guys that own these machines are going to start finishing the development on the Syntec side and make more of a polished control package. Really excited to see content on the X9.
Have you heard of Vanadis 4 Extra superclean? I've macnined that material after hardening and it's hardness is 58-64 Hrc, where Monel K500 is 28-40 Rc.
I remember working with Hastaloy(Nastyloy) yrs ago, don't remember the grade. How does it compare with what you have here ?
What is more difficult to machine? Stellite 6B or Monel K500?? Im not a machinist, but a Master Micro-Finishing-Deburr Technician in the Aerospace industry. Any parts made of either of those two materials are very challanging to work with at my work center using carbide and abrasives.
How do u sharpen satellite scissors since it is way tougher than tool steel. +50% cobalt + tungsten etc…. That’s inane
Could you show off the machine's speed cutting 6061 aluminum
Dont think ive seen it.. Wondering if a center drill was used before drilling... Would it break in this material?...
ja frezowałem Hardox extreame, robiłem otwory fi 83 w hardoxie extreme. teraz juz pracowałem ze wszystkimi materiałami nawet ze szkłem
Bro i machined some cpm 10v heat treated to 64 rockwell C. Nothing will eat tools like this stuff it's the highest wear resistant tool steel out there. Makes your monel look like butter.
How does this material compare to hastelloy? I used to work in a shop that ran mostly stainless but also monel and hastelloy, I'm not sure what grade either of them were, but the hastelloy was significantly harder on the tooling. We made mostly hose barb fittings/couplings/valves for pure chlorine applications.
Hastelloy has molybdenum and Monel,is nickel copper. Both are nasty but the high nickel content makes Monel harder to machine and is more expensive
Monel is used in valves by the navy also. What about stellite I was told only drill it with a disintegrator
Wow Titan. Looks like that new machine is just “Killin it”. Very impressive. You just have to get out on the shop floor and run those machines. I believe that you would go crazy just doing podcasts. Action speaks louder than words. Great video!!
I like that you mentioned about listening to the cut. It tells more than any salesman of a cutter. On what's going on in the machine.
Not just the sound, you get used to the feel of the vibration pretty quick too. I've machined plenty where the sound isn't quite right but the vibration is perfect
What do you guys do with the chips? Clean them and have them recast or send them off for someone else?
Thanks Titan, this certainly is an impressive demonstration of this Machines capabilities.
Of course with your Master of Skills has alot to do with it.👍👍
The Harvy3 is impressive.
I always enjoy your videos.
Thanks for sharing.
speaking of abrasive material do you guys ever cut carbon fiber? my shop mainly cuts carbon fiber and id be curious if you guys would take any sort of different approach. though too we always struggle to find the tools we want.
We have cut a ton and have done videos on different types of composites. Look up composites and G10 on our channel… there are some good videos
The company I work for LMT Onsrud has specialized cutters for composites like carbon fiber. I think you should look them up and speak with the tool lab about the proper tool for the job and the feeds and speeds. I'm currently an apprentice with them right now and I'm having a fantastic time
What type of tool and materials of the tools would you use for this? Do tools have a special coating?
When does it make sense to Upgrade the standard 12k rpm BT30 spindle, for a 30k rpm HSK40e spindle (ca.8800$ price difference)? The main materials will be AW7075 and TI6Al4V
I got a 6"/.25"/1.25". Made a Alaskan kitchen knife in san mai with monell 5000 as the cutting edge
Not sure if you know but Monel (NiCu) is relatively soft compared to Inconel. Now K-Monel (NiCuAl) is hard but still not as hard as inconel. It’s used in steam systems because of its tensile strength when exposed to high pressure and high temperature will be quite strong. That’s why they are called Nickel Superalloys. There’s a guy on TH-cam who talks about the metallurgy of Nickel Superalloys.
Yep, I explained it in the video. Monel has Copper and Inconel has chromium which is harder… so Inconel breaks a chip better. Softer, Gummy Monel is Nasty on tools because it’s softer and abrasive etc
@@TITANSofCNC yeah, I can see that. Im an outside machinist for the DoD (navy) we use a lot of those types of alloys. steam systems and high pressure air systems, steel isn’t used as much because although strong WHEN COLD, does not hold up as good as the nickel alloys. It’s actually pretty cool. I see it every day and worse I have to destructively remove fasteners (some 2 inches plus) from flanges or machine flanges of that material. Hy80 or Hy100 is fun too lol it would be interesting if you could get your hands on some Hy100 and try some stuff
How do you dispose of the "chips"? Is it just written off as waste, or can it be recycled?
Can be tossed in the trash. But most shops have big chip bins that get emptied at scrap yards, I could be wrong but I believe you get money for it just like regular scrap metal. Maybe a bit less if the chips are from different materials.
I would be just as excited as Titan IF I owned one of these machines... IF I could afford one of these machines...... IF I made and sold parts using this machine and IF I just had my own parking spot here at the complex............ NICE work Titan !👍👍👍
seeing all the chips there, the metal is so compressed the chips expand like spring steel.
Is Monel and Inconel coolant type sensitive? I've always been beyond enamored by high level machining.
Nothing really changes when working with these materials, other than your tools more often.
Hi titans I'm trying to machine arc spray bond coat on an engine block deck which is quite soft but super abrasive- with CBN button tip. The tip is worn in about 14 inches. Can't even do one full cut along the deck which is about 6 and a half feet long. Have you got any ideas? I've tried all feeds and speeds. Lasts the longest at 300 rpm .007" per rev with a 12" fly cutter. Guessing I need a different tip.
When it did those quick z axis moments with the drill there where a clapping sound. I assume that was the go pro that made that sound ? Just asking to make 100% sure
Why would you want the tool to drop down prior to the tool change? Now you have all the chips and coolant going up into the tool carousel because the door is open since the tool is hanging down. Seems like the 1 second saved isn't worth it. Is there a k bit or setting to change this?
Yes, it's a parameter setting.
Been waiting on this video. Wasn’t let down. Hopefully my products take off soon so I can afford one of those. Really looking at the lathes they got too. Could have a pretty decent start up shop for a hundred grand.
Same.
I've been turning some copper nickel (monel 400 I think)
Horrible stuff but get the right speeds and feeds and it runs silent
Is this same metalurgicly to Waspaloy?
I just machined some poppet valves from Monel K500 for SpaceX on my Swiss (I know, it sucked).
I’d been under the impression that K500 was more machinable than Inconel 718 which I’m making hex bolts out of now.
I'm not afraid of that material. C6 casting is probably the hardest material to cut.
I've cut titanium that has to replace the insert after every pass. Will say though, mill is much different than lathe. I would run any material fairly easily on a lathe, them it would go to mill, and all the problems would begin.
I wasn't running the mill, so I'm sure it was a mix of machine and operator on the mill.
Hey Titans... Have you tried SolidCAM iMachining? If yes, How do you guys compare it with MasterCAM. Would like to see a comparison video of Machining Titanium with both packages
Try machining yttrium. It sparks just from drilling it. 😁⚡🔥
I'm not sure why you would ever use such a long tool holder on that application... seems like a terrible choice for that machine
Bigger tool holder, bigger penis size.
Thanks for noticing karen.
I agree but it sounds not to bad tbh
To add clearance for better camera shots...1st time watching a Titan vid I take it??
Because the drills are long tools having an equally long holder for the end mills means you don’t have to adjust coolant lines every tool.
Can i burrow that finished part... I need to remove the seat belt torx head bolts on my 1988 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe... That is what it feels like trying to remove those nasty things, thst you need a torx bit this size to even phase'em... I bet this stuff EDM's like a dream though!!!
Lmao. Been there with my Bronco 2.
Love to heard Titan’s thoughts as he walks us through his program………explaining feeds and speeds, end mills, and drills. This guy is amazing!
The material that comes off parts , is that thrown out or does it get filtered for reusing/ recycling???
Varies shop to shop, but for the most part recycled.
Save it! You can get real money for the chips. But only if it is not mixed :)
yes it does. they melt it down later
I just love your work
How does that moe nail compare to high speed steel?
the machine is working pretty hard. I've never heard of SYIL mills. Let's see how it holds up after two years of demanding machining.
SYIL are entry class machines, at good value for money. Owners will typically work with 'standard' grade materials. This is just a demo put to the extreme, the machines are not made with the intend to regulary work with such tough materials. Companies into such on a regualry basis naturally goes for the high end machines, but its interesting to see the capability of Syil, if one once in a while comes into tough materials.
Hey Titan, I’m using 735 in my X7 for the last 3 years at 5 Brix, so 7.5%. I’m mostly cutting Aluminium. Should I run a higher concentration? I’m getting great surface finish at 7.5%
No 7.5% is great for aluminum
@@TITANSofCNC thanks, I’m Rob Bingham from the Syil group by the way 👍
Use to machine it(K monel) for sub parts. We used to joke that it was machining kryptonite
Any info on the SYIL L2 lathe? I would love to get on a waiting list.
Hard iron hard metals and the skilled Machinist. That machinist is rare to find.
I never thought much of this stuff. Try Aermet 340(hardened) and come back
Great ViDEO TITAN!
Taking it back to USA one machine at a time! Thanks Titan.
Does any Syil has a Chip Conveyer?
they do, for an extra $2.500
Titan's website page for the X7 says yes you can add a chip conveyer.
Yes, chip conveyor is $3975 X7 and up. No optin for X5
Thank you for the conveyor pricing. @@kgranno
Can you list tooling #’s & coolant ? Matt
That surface finish came out looking nice!
That coolant looks real almond-milky, with our coolant oil milky is about the right look for a 12% mix with stainless. What oil and percentage are you running at??
Hey Titan, what are some things to look for buying a used machine?
Hours in use.
What parts have been replaced.
Listen to the spindle at low and high rpms to make sure it’s sounds smooth.
Run the tables in rapid in large circles and rectangles and listen to the ballscrews, ways and motion etc.
Ask if it’s been crashed.
Listen to the Z Axis in motion.
Turn everything off and on… pumps etc.
Etc etc etc.
Hi Titan, I'm not a machinist but have you ever tried machining heavy alloy tungsten? If so how do you compare it to Monel K50?