My First Part: Machining The Toughest Material On SYIL X7
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0:00 Monel K500
0:40 Machining off the scale
1:11 What is Monel K500
2:32 First cuts on the Syil X7
5:25 TITANS of CNC are Syil Distributors
7:30 Finish Machining
9:10 First look at the machined monel K500
9:28 Drilling monel K500
11:46 Chamfer milling monel K500
14:01 The end result
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Nice to see Titan himself back on the machine .
But it's Monel k500. Whew! Makes titanium seem easy as anything to machine.
@@drafty0183 im pretty sure his name isnt Monel K500 Gilroy :P
Love it ❤
I once turned K500 on a Mazak. That stuff feels like tough chewing gum.
When you rub your finger over the surfa e after turning, if feels smooth in the direction you turned, but grabs the skin if you go the other way.
But it was a nice learning and experience
Same here. It wasn't K500 but it was monel, also done on a Mazak. From what I remember it wasn't fun to cut but it wasn't THAT bad. Worst materials I've ever cut were Chromel and Alumel with the latter being the absolute worst, worse than Hastelloy X actually.
The toughest part of machining Inconel, Hastelloy, and Monel isn't just that the metals start off gummy, it's that they exhibit severe work hardening, particularly during machining - the tool bites into gummy, sticky material which then gets super hard before finally breaking off. 300-series stainless steel does this as well but it's not as gummy to start with and doesn't harden up as much as the nickel-based alloys.
Case in point: a foundry I used to work at poured some Hastelloy C-22 castings that required mechanical property testing. We thought it would be okay to machine those test bars in-house just like we would with any carbon steel, alloy steel, or stainless steel, putting them through our Puma just like we would any of those materials. The properties we got didn't quite make sense until we sent test material to an area contract laboratory. Their results were perfectly in line with expectations...because as I later found out, our machining process cranked the hardness up from the 180ish range on the Brinell scale to well over 400, whereas the outside lab using the right speeds/feeds/inserts/coolant kept the hardness down where it ought to be.
which is worse? nickel based or copper based alloys?
@@narmale If we take each element's alloys as a whole? Nickel. Not all copper-based alloys are challenging to machine, and indeed brass (copper mixed with zinc) is the gold standard for machinability. Many copper alloys can be tough, but brasses and bronzes can be very forgiving.
On the flip side, I can't think of a nickel alloy that is anywhere near that easy to machine...Inconel (Ni-Cr-Fe) is tough to machine, Hastelloy (Ni-Mo-Cr) is tough to machine, Monel (Ni-Cu) is tough to machine, Incoloy (Ni-Fe-Cr) is tough to machine, the wackier superalloys like René/Waspaloy/Nimonic are tough to machine...there's a theme, and that theme is that nickel-based alloys are challenging for most machinists.
I work for G.E. Aerospace and we run inconel for the majority of our parts. Along with another material called rene. These go in jet engines for Boeing and Airbus. Love this industry!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_41
What I tell folks that blows their minds is machining nickel/inconel parts with ceramic inserts! Heats it up, scoops it out like ice cream. Lava ice cream LOL
@@BrassBashersCeramic works great on uninterrupted cuts, but hit one nick or interruption and watch that insert disappear into a million pieces.
I do tons of heat treated 718, and nemonic. Fun stuff
I made my wedding bands out of some 718 on a hand lathe.
IDEA FOR A VIDEO: How about a machining competition between 5 of your top machinist? identical part, same machine, you could give points for, type of setup, speed, finish, tolerance, etc, only 1 stipulation, the part has to be for an actual customer, what do you say? are you up for this challenge? Love to see it!
They are top-dog. All machinists but working on difference machines. Milling machines, lathe, Swiss Machine, EDM, grinder, metrology guy, inspector…. And not only they are machinists but they are certified instructors at Titan Of CNC Academy as well. Again they are some of finest machinists supervised by the only celebrity machinist Titan Gilroy. ❤😂
We talked about doing this but Barry and Trevor knew I would win so now they just go ahead and give me the trophy 🤣🤣
@@Jessie_Smith Yeah, I get it, they both do come off as being a little intimidated by your superior machining abilities, they should at least try though, I know it's a long shot but, you never know, one of them might just pull it off and win.
lol I guess I could design a competition that would give them a competitive advantage and then maybe take it easy on them so they have a chance lol.
And by the way, I’m screenshotting this and sending it to them
I used to manual machine monel when I was 18 as an apprentice.
We made high end metrology equipment and there were all sorts of exotic materials used with a lot of Inconel due to its low coefficient of expansion, it helps control the stability of your measurements.
Hey titan, I'vd love to see maybe 5 parts made and cnc'd on this machine checked by cmm to check the repeatibility of the machine. Thanks guys, love the content.
That is coming. Right now we are seeing .0002-.0003
Great display of what these SYIL machines are capable of! Super impressed. Looking forward to seeing more projects on these machines!
We machine inconel to make the stage 9 to 14 compressor blades in the RR AE2100 engines as fitted to the C130J on 30 odd year old fadal cnc mills.
I would want to see a print and QC report on tolerance but I’m pretty impressed with the little machine that could
Coming soon, stay tuned
The surface finish is amazing!!
The graphics are so awesome. Hats off to your editors!
We make Monel in our foundery and I machine the shit on equipment from the 1950s. All petrochem, blue origin and all that like you said. Crazy stuff.
It's not just the space industry. We use Monel in the food packaging industry.
That cut sounds good, very good at higher feed rate.
I’m not a machinist but this is like watching Rembrandt describing a masterpiece step by step as he creates it. Cool. Love to watch.
I was for 5 years but it wasn’t working financially for me working at a restaurant was paying me more
I want to see Titan take a field trip to the Army's Watervliet Arsenal, Watervliet, NY, where all the cannon barrels used by the US and all nations allied with the US are made. That shop makes 35-foot-long barrels for the M109A6 howitzer, and a cannon barrel MUST be laser-straight if you expect to hit anything with the weapon.
That would be cool!
Had to machine K monel several times in the 90s. The shop i worked in was cheap when it came to buying the best tooling that was available then. Needless to say i was glad to see the last of that material
Monel! The Stainless Steel of the first half of the 20th Century.. found naturally in Canada on the rim of a gigantic meteor crater. Nickle+Copper.. Oil and water... what a fascinating alloy. AND HEAVY
In Sudbury?
this was nice to watch. Im not machinist,I studied for mechanical engineer but i worked as machinist for 6 months in Končar...greetings from Croatia
Inconel and cobalt chrome are some of the hardest materials I've machined. Tool steel like A2&D2,cpm3v and cpm9v when i was in a die shop. Before and after heat treat. Sometimes the die didn't stamp out correct and i had to remove thirty thou here or there. Proper speeds and feeds are most critical on the hard materials. Tool selection,proper coatings important too. We use mostly SGS carbide. Harvey and micro tool carbides are good. The cheap hogmills off Amazon work pretty good too. For the price they're amazing. Accusize is the name I think. They will surprise you.
Definitely send like a plenty capable machine. Doing something it wasn't meant to, and still coming out like a champ.
These machines were so awesome to see run! The power the SYIL has is amazing! Small but Mighty!!!
Just like you, Chris!
Pretty freaking awesome! 😎
Great ViDEO TITAN!
I like how Kennametal brings value to your business and in turn you bring value to their business by promoting the quality of their product.
@@willyharris4199 I know what a sponsorship is but not all sponsors provide quality.
Guys main income comes from youtube.....
Great video man
I was about to pickup a used haas vf2 for my first machine but these have definitely caught my eye.
Will customer service be there (in the US) in 10 years though... thats the question...
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 with Titan becoming a distributor, SYIL is going to blow up into a big machine tool company!
Your gonna have way better support, service and spare parts availability if you go with Haas because they have local offices in most major metropolitan areas.
@@funwitharobotthat's true but part of the reason factory support is so good with Haas is because it has to be. They lock down stuff in the control that you don't have access to without paying a tech $250 an hour to come out and fix it for you. Not a knock on Haas but a lot of guys just starting out aren't looking to deal with the cost of having to outsource all of their maintenance activities. If you're a bigger shop and too busy to spend the time doing it yourself then yeah it makes sense to farm that out.
I'm interesting in seeing the 5-axis version of the X7 or even the U5 in action
Me to. 5 axis please!
The first U5 is being shipped next month in. Chicago, we will hopefully have our hands on one mid summer. From what I have seen, at the casting level, it’s gorgeous!
Please post video!@@kgranno
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What a machine! Awesome demonstration on what these SYIL machines can do
That surface finish came out looking nice!
We used to do inconell 600 claded with steel. I know the pain. Lol, I wrote a macro with a button cutter to substantially increase feeds and reduce run times on 12 foot bars.
Great video 👍
I would love to see more syile content want to get in the industry
Beautiful
I've been turning some copper nickel (monel 400 I think)
Horrible stuff but get the right speeds and feeds and it runs silent
Nice video !!!
I can't wait to get mine!
how long waiting time from order?
Looks good, ship it!🔥❤️
How many, 3 or 4?
But I'm looking at the load bar on the screen when I can and it looks really good all in the green!
Worked in the oil industry for many years. I've seen many of what we call "Monel collars". 30ft long by 9" diameter with a 3" hole all the way through and fluted on the outside. You know they were hard because they always came out of the hole with very little wear and the area where the tongs bite was never chewed up like it was on normal drill pipe.
Wonder how much it costs to machine those big dogs?
Impressive!
Outch. Awesome guys. Keep up. The informational Vids. 🗿🤫
Taking it back to USA one machine at a time! Thanks Titan.
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Only have experience on a band saw cutting monel, 3 inch slugs were a 45 minute cut if you wanted it to cut straight.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! The harmonics of the machine sounded great, the tooling held up, the part looks like jewelry. Chef's kiss 👌
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Amazing video. Fantastic sales demo. He’s gonna sell some iron
You guys gotta get your hands on some 5 flute helical solutions high performance chamfer tools. They are the real deal. 5 flutes top to bottom tipped off or sharp and they tolerance their tip diameters way tighter than the industry standard, so there is very little adjusting needed to do from tool to tool. I know you run Kennametal because of the brand deal, but seriously in this one niche they've got the pants beat off kennametal.
LETS GOOO 💪🏼
Have you heard of Vanadis 4 Extra superclean? I've macnined that material after hardening and it's hardness is 58-64 Hrc, where Monel K500 is 28-40 Rc.
Bro i machined some cpm 10v heat treated to 64 rockwell C. Nothing will eat tools like this stuff it's the highest wear resistant tool steel out there. Makes your monel look like butter.
When machining various nickel alloys, it was always an exercise in adaption and disaster prevention.
seeing all the chips there, the metal is so compressed the chips expand like spring steel.
I like that you mentioned about listening to the cut. It tells more than any salesman of a cutter. On what's going on in the machine.
Not just the sound, you get used to the feel of the vibration pretty quick too. I've machined plenty where the sound isn't quite right but the vibration is perfect
I told Keith to park an X7 next to a new Super Mini mill and see how they compare lol. Would be interesting. Obviously the Haas control is a major pro but inevitably guys that own these machines are going to start finishing the development on the Syntec side and make more of a polished control package. Really excited to see content on the X9.
Nice looking machine. Im currently nearly finished with my aprenticeship and when i have the money i would probably buy this machine.
I remember working with Hastaloy(Nastyloy) yrs ago, don't remember the grade. How does it compare with what you have here ?
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I got a 6"/.25"/1.25". Made a Alaskan kitchen knife in san mai with monell 5000 as the cutting edge
Love to heard Titan’s thoughts as he walks us through his program………explaining feeds and speeds, end mills, and drills. This guy is amazing!
Impressive.
One day i might get to work in a real machine shop...
Definitely want one of them mills.
Could you show off the machine's speed cutting 6061 aluminum
That coolant looks real almond-milky, with our coolant oil milky is about the right look for a 12% mix with stainless. What oil and percentage are you running at??
Hey Titans... Have you tried SolidCAM iMachining? If yes, How do you guys compare it with MasterCAM. Would like to see a comparison video of Machining Titanium with both packages
Mill works easy, I make shafts out of the crap, not easy keeping runout under control on long 10 ft. shafts where most every dia. tolerance is +0/-.0005 with a 16 finish. I use a Daewoo Puma 400 CNC
I would be just as excited as Titan IF I owned one of these machines... IF I could afford one of these machines...... IF I made and sold parts using this machine and IF I just had my own parking spot here at the complex............ NICE work Titan !👍👍👍
Hard iron hard metals and the skilled Machinist. That machinist is rare to find.
Nice video. BUT. I got all hyped up by Titan's videos, full depth of cut etc etc. On our BT30 machine (other well known brand) I machined a whole run of engineering steel in a period of a month. And surprise surprise, the taper bellowed out, and machine needed a new spindle! It sounded good, it cut well, parts came out good, was using new sharp high performance carbide cutters, plenty of higher concentration coolant etc etc. I was told to go back to manufacturers cutting tables...
These guys do treat machines as almost disposables. It's a decent strategy to succeed though, because it means you can potentially have higher throughput than your competitors.
Take a look at the tool at 7:39 during the change. That spindle is 100% trashed already. Brown with the fretting infection.
@@zachbrown7272 That's because they are for them. They're demo machines on loan, not owned.
J'ai 20 ans d'usinage a mon compteur et tout ce que je vois dans leur vidéos c'est : une bande de gros nounours casseur de machines , les vitesses de coupes ne sont pas respectées ni adapté à la machine , les porte-à-faux sont monstrueux, la profondeur de passe est juste immense pour la fraise et la machine utilisé, même le maintien du brut est ridicule...heureusement que kennametal donne des valeurs a renseigner dans mastercam . S'ils avaient du programmer a la main en code G et déduire les paramètres de coupe par eux même , ils auraient cassé une autre machine ...
@@LumaLabs a little bit of surface rust on a tool holder probably from sitting around in their shop for a while doesn't mean that the spindle is trashed.
Like trying to machine industrial grade taffy. The part being cut looks like a pump core, if it's made out of this stuff that's gonna be mighty heavy duty. 😮
Monel is tuff stuff i've machined alot of it
Monel is used in valves by the navy also. What about stellite I was told only drill it with a disintegrator
I just machined some poppet valves from Monel K500 for SpaceX on my Swiss (I know, it sucked).
I’d been under the impression that K500 was more machinable than Inconel 718 which I’m making hex bolts out of now.
I'm not afraid of that material. C6 casting is probably the hardest material to cut.
I've cut titanium that has to replace the insert after every pass. Will say though, mill is much different than lathe. I would run any material fairly easily on a lathe, them it would go to mill, and all the problems would begin.
I wasn't running the mill, so I'm sure it was a mix of machine and operator on the mill.
I'm not sure why you would ever use such a long tool holder on that application... seems like a terrible choice for that machine
Bigger tool holder, bigger penis size.
Thanks for noticing karen.
I agree but it sounds not to bad tbh
To add clearance for better camera shots...1st time watching a Titan vid I take it??
Because the drills are long tools having an equally long holder for the end mills means you don’t have to adjust coolant lines every tool.
I noticed that you talk a lot about Aerospace parts. I worked for a company that main material was beryllium and albmet we wore all the necessary safety equipment. But I thought it might be interesting for people to understand the materials used in aerospace.
We have an AerospaceAcademy.com
It’s a work in progress.
Thanks
I don't envy you. Be is awful and horrible to machine, and likes to break for little to no reason at all, and without warning, not to mention the cost of the stuff. 😮
When it did those quick z axis moments with the drill there where a clapping sound. I assume that was the go pro that made that sound ? Just asking to make 100% sure
I never thought much of this stuff. Try Aermet 340(hardened) and come back
that is amazing price point
It's kind of funny, with this video everyone are commenting about difficult materials, no 'but but..china' as some other videos:) the owners of these lower price point machines will mostly stick to 'normal' materials. But is't interesting seeing it pushed towards a limit most will not get near
Hi Titan, I'm not a machinist but have you ever tried machining heavy alloy tungsten? If so how do you compare it to Monel K50?
Normal conpanied Mill with +surface than Mill some 0,05mm
Duplex 2205 is pretty fun to cut. (Sarcasm)
Wow men , those machines are Amazing , Lucky dog😊😅😮
Titan popping them benzos
Thanks Titan, this certainly is an impressive demonstration of this Machines capabilities.
Of course with your Master of Skills has alot to do with it.👍👍
The Harvy3 is impressive.
I always enjoy your videos.
Thanks for sharing.
Not sure if you know but Monel (NiCu) is relatively soft compared to Inconel. Now K-Monel (NiCuAl) is hard but still not as hard as inconel. It’s used in steam systems because of its tensile strength when exposed to high pressure and high temperature will be quite strong. That’s why they are called Nickel Superalloys. There’s a guy on TH-cam who talks about the metallurgy of Nickel Superalloys.
Yep, I explained it in the video. Monel has Copper and Inconel has chromium which is harder… so Inconel breaks a chip better. Softer, Gummy Monel is Nasty on tools because it’s softer and abrasive etc
@@TITANSofCNC yeah, I can see that. Im an outside machinist for the DoD (navy) we use a lot of those types of alloys. steam systems and high pressure air systems, steel isn’t used as much because although strong WHEN COLD, does not hold up as good as the nickel alloys. It’s actually pretty cool. I see it every day and worse I have to destructively remove fasteners (some 2 inches plus) from flanges or machine flanges of that material. Hy80 or Hy100 is fun too lol it would be interesting if you could get your hands on some Hy100 and try some stuff
would love to be able to apprentice with y'all now that you are local to DFW!
I think the drilling of the part is the most impressive thing in the video, the roughing not so much, basic contour high speed machining with proper speeds and feeds really not to impressive. The finish is really nice. If you want to blow some minds throw a deep pocket in there with some thin walls. Like the Syil also.
What do you guys do with the chips? Clean them and have them recast or send them off for someone else?
How does this material compare to hastelloy? I used to work in a shop that ran mostly stainless but also monel and hastelloy, I'm not sure what grade either of them were, but the hastelloy was significantly harder on the tooling. We made mostly hose barb fittings/couplings/valves for pure chlorine applications.
Hastelloy has molybdenum and Monel,is nickel copper. Both are nasty but the high nickel content makes Monel harder to machine and is more expensive
Do you think you can produce Stainless Steel parts on this machine? Not a crazy number of parts, we machine parts out of 303 and 304. Depending on the torque wrench adaptor model we are machining, we either do some minor profiling or machine the whole adaptor out of a block.
Yes with the proper tools and techniques… I will make some cool parts out of stainless and put another video out.
Try machining yttrium. It sparks just from drilling it. 😁⚡🔥
My cave diving regulators are monel. I love them.
Was the part .0002 tolerance? Excellent footage!
Hmm are there shrink fits available for that size of toolholder? Is that sk30?
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When does it make sense to Upgrade the standard 12k rpm BT30 spindle, for a 30k rpm HSK40e spindle (ca.8800$ price difference)? The main materials will be AW7075 and TI6Al4V
Awesome stuff! Been working with copper a lot lately.. Going to recycle all those $$$$ chips?