Outstanding video. I followed this step by step and was able to ring out an intermittent feedback that had been plaguing us for months! Thanks a million Drew.
I’m a big fan of swinging the mic past each driver, starting from afar and slowly getting nearer as you build up a feel for how stable the system is. Really shows off general trouble frequencies without being dependent upon the qualities of my voice. By swinging, the mic moves through the output field of the driver fast enough to not build a sustained feedback, and with practice you can get great control of the interaction between mic and driver as you progress.
Super useful tutorial, Drew, thanks again!! By the way, for those of you who use the iPad app like me, the "SPEC" option to make the RTA (real-time analyzer) showing "stacking" bars is available in the Setup button (top-right of the screen), then tab GLOBAL, section "RTA Preferences", and then button "SPEC".
For everyone but percussionists I got in the habit for bar gigs where everyone is piled on each other to keep a 20ms delay in the wedges. Seemed to help but it’s been a few years since I last had a bar gig.
But the frequencies that feedback depend on the roundtrip latency, in addition to pickup pattern, speaker's polar response and room acoustics. So if you add latency to the signal it will alter the feedback frequencies. What am I not getting? The same with flipping the polatiry of a mic that feeds back - it will alter the frequency.
100 ms latency sitting right in front of the speaker makes a negligible difference as far as which frequencies are feeding back in a monitor. If you’re ringing out the whole room you probably use a different method.
Hello, first of all, thank you for all the tips and lessons you provided us, they are super useful. I need to know if there is any way to use 1 x32 FOH together with an M32 for monitoring, without the X32n's gains interfering with the M32's TRIM. Thank you and all the best
Generally speaking, you ring out the monitor only and use the Mic EQ to correct the tone of the mic for the FOH (and the monitor if you want). Sometimes you can use the mic EQ if that's the only one which gets feedback.
Trend for recent years are people in meeting rooms and classrooms who want to live monitor their own speech. They use ceiling mics with a few ceiling speakers in a room size of 10 x 10 metres, with zero acoustics. Then blame the mic for not being able to amplify the voice loudly. A.k.a voice lift. 😢
I suppose that’s a good start, but I would say that someone who is watching this video is not going to be as sophisticated as to have a calibration mic and RTA and also know how to use it.
@@mjrausch Then that person should also invest some time in learning how to do those procedures otherwise they're headed for trouble as they will start applying EQ to a system which they ignore their frequency response
Want to safely ring your PA and protect your ears and speakers? Drop the threshold of a downstream limiter (with no auto gain) to it's minimum. This will choke all the volume out of any signal coming through, both vocals, and feedback. Quite magical to see and hear your PA feedback at a controlled -40. Want to reduce the chance of feedback? Throw every other front line vocal mic out of phase. Rather than the loading of multiple mics increasing feedback, this will help stabilize your PA. Your welcome.
I can hear the feeding back still even with eq enabled. With dynamic vocal mic, I would rather go for -10db gate on that mic, because feedback most time apears, when there is less noise from speaker or on the stage.
Yes you hear some with the mic on axis but remember he’s sitting at ~90 db. You just want to reduce them a little to avoid any sudden major spikes and increase a little headroom without killing the tone.
Using a gate to coverup feedback tendencies is a dangerous practice, because it can give you the false impression that more gain is available, and then you raise the gain. Then once a feedback DOES start, it will very quickly go out of control, and you won';t be able to stop it fast enough to avoid a disaster. Ask me how I know this . . .
Do you have a how to on how to run online worship music from PC into the Behringer? I know some churches just use TH-cam, others proclaim or like type software. Still something for a complete novice would be helpful.
Why would anyone add verb or delay to a sub? Usually you only have the low tones of the bass and thump of the kick so any processing you would add at the channel level, and I can’t think of any reason for verb or delay on bass or kick.
After all that you basically mostly just did a gain reduction with the EQ. There aren't many frequencies left untouched. You could have just dialed the volume/fader down. Almost the same effect. Correct me if I'm wrong!
I really like your videos but it would be nice to have a change of scenery because it's easy to think that you're using the old videos that you repost when in fact they're new, thank you for all your work, it's great.
Gahhhhh every time i see someone ringing out a speaker..... I have run monitors on thousands of shows by just using a hpf filter set at 50 -80hz hz and never have feedback. I think i maybe had to use GEQ like 3 times and it was because of a weak performer. If someone points their mic at the speaker and gets feedback you as the engineer should be paying attention and mute that mic. All the GEQ basically just makes your speakers and your mix sound like trash. My advice - learn how to gainstage, pay attention and use filters.
A 32band EQ doesn't show all the frequencies. Of course you could be more surgical with designated EQs for ringing out monitors, however remember that each EQ adjustment you make, also affects the phase correlation of a signal.
The best way to avoid feedback in a wedge is not use them in the first place. In 2024 everyone should be using in ears. Even the garage bands down the street have their own in ear rigs.
Outstanding video. I followed this step by step and was able to ring out an intermittent feedback that had been plaguing us for months! Thanks a million Drew.
I’m a big fan of swinging the mic past each driver, starting from afar and slowly getting nearer as you build up a feel for how stable the system is. Really shows off general trouble frequencies without being dependent upon the qualities of my voice. By swinging, the mic moves through the output field of the driver fast enough to not build a sustained feedback, and with practice you can get great control of the interaction between mic and driver as you progress.
Hi drew how bouth parallell compressor and eq for acoustic drums.
Continue this series please!!
Super useful tutorial, Drew, thanks again!! By the way, for those of you who use the iPad app like me, the "SPEC" option to make the RTA (real-time analyzer) showing "stacking" bars is available in the Setup button (top-right of the screen), then tab GLOBAL, section "RTA Preferences", and then button "SPEC".
You just made my day!
@@chriskcdriver3274 My pleasure!
great as always drew!
Please do a video on how i can take sound from my laptop into the x32 console via usb thanks
Great explanation! Thank you!
Great video, thank you!
Excellent video 🎉
Thanks alot Drew 🔥
Would be great if you could do a ringing out video for the Wing, too!
Great 100ms tip
I would like to ask if the 100ms delay should be canceled after the adjustment is completed.
U prob do want to delete that yes. Hahaha your singer gonna have a fun time if u don’t gna gna gna
In the video he says multiple times he takes the delay off after he’s done ringing them out. Hope this helps.
So .. how much distance you set the speaker delay on feet?
You wouldn’t because ideally you’re right in front of the speaker when doing this.
For everyone but percussionists I got in the habit for bar gigs where everyone is piled on each other to keep a 20ms delay in the wedges. Seemed to help but it’s been a few years since I last had a bar gig.
This is intersting
Do you have this video for the wing?
But the frequencies that feedback depend on the roundtrip latency, in addition to pickup pattern, speaker's polar response and room acoustics. So if you add latency to the signal it will alter the feedback frequencies. What am I not getting? The same with flipping the polatiry of a mic that feeds back - it will alter the frequency.
100 ms latency sitting right in front of the speaker makes a negligible difference as far as which frequencies are feeding back in a monitor. If you’re ringing out the whole room you probably use a different method.
What does the second row (Bus02) do? Is bus two also sent to the geq?
Nice video if you own an X32 mixer and the expertise.
The board is of no consequence. This can be done with any signal through any board and GEQ. 🤙🏼
Hello, first of all, thank you for all the tips and lessons you provided us, they are super useful.
I need to know if there is any way to use 1 x32 FOH together with an M32 for monitoring, without the X32n's gains interfering with the M32's TRIM.
Thank you and all the best
Don't forget flipping the phase as an option!
Drew: I like SM 57 as an instrument microphone. SM 58 for vocal. Just sharing my view. I tried SM 57 after watching your video.
I dig the ms delay for ringing out. But man it would be a bummer to forget that.
If you know your frequency’s ….and wedge type is it bi amped tri amped ? To change x over points and volume…. No problem
How to connect left and right outputs
Quick question. Was that graphic eq insert pre or post mix and which you say is better?
Doesn't matter for EQs
Thanks!
Do you ring out the mic first, or the wedge?
Generally speaking, you ring out the monitor only and use the Mic EQ to correct the tone of the mic for the FOH (and the monitor if you want). Sometimes you can use the mic EQ if that's the only one which gets feedback.
When you make adjustments do you find that the vocals get thinner? If so how do you correct that?
So after I make the adjustments on the graphic Eq, do I keep it inserted?
Trend for recent years are people in meeting rooms and classrooms who want to live monitor their own speech. They use ceiling mics with a few ceiling speakers in a room size of 10 x 10 metres, with zero acoustics. Then blame the mic for not being able to amplify the voice loudly. A.k.a voice lift. 😢
What if we’ve used up all of our inserts?
You still have your channel EQ with 6 parametrics. It already does a great job.
The very FISRT step to avoid feedback o a floor wedge is to MEASURE it with a calibration mic before even starting to apply any EQ!
I suppose that’s a good start, but I would say that someone who is watching this video is not going to be as sophisticated as to have a calibration mic and RTA and also know how to use it.
@@mjrausch Then that person should also invest some time in learning how to do those procedures otherwise they're headed for trouble as they will start applying EQ to a system which they ignore their frequency response
Just use the actual mic, it'll tell you more about potential problems
Right because singers are always using calibration mics to sing. This is a perfectly suitable method for most non-professional applications.
@@indianajim "non-professional" like YOU 😂
Want to safely ring your PA and protect your ears and speakers? Drop the threshold of a downstream limiter (with no auto gain) to it's minimum. This will choke all the volume out of any signal coming through, both vocals, and feedback. Quite magical to see and hear your PA feedback at a controlled -40.
Want to reduce the chance of feedback? Throw every other front line vocal mic out of phase. Rather than the loading of multiple mics increasing feedback, this will help stabilize your PA. Your welcome.
How do I make the bats color?
I can hear the feeding back still even with eq enabled. With dynamic vocal mic, I would rather go for -10db gate on that mic, because feedback most time apears, when there is less noise from speaker or on the stage.
Yes you hear some with the mic on axis but remember he’s sitting at ~90 db. You just want to reduce them a little to avoid any sudden major spikes and increase a little headroom without killing the tone.
Using a gate to coverup feedback tendencies is a dangerous practice, because it can give you the false impression that more gain is available, and then you raise the gain. Then once a feedback DOES start, it will very quickly go out of control, and you won';t be able to stop it fast enough to avoid a disaster. Ask me how I know this . . .
How do we use pink noise on the x32 or m32 to tune PAs or Stage wedges
You can sweep the frequency until you hear some that sound way louder and then cut them a bit with EQ.
Drew!!
Thanks a lots for doing this great videos!!
Question:
What’s the best way to EQ Delay Effects from Behringer x32
Thanks again
God Bless you
Do you have a how to on how to run online worship music from PC into the Behringer? I know some churches just use TH-cam, others proclaim or like type software. Still something for a complete novice would be helpful.
is it possible or common to add/insert effects (verb or delay) to your auxed out subs?
Why would anyone add verb or delay to a sub? Usually you only have the low tones of the bass and thump of the kick so any processing you would add at the channel level, and I can’t think of any reason for verb or delay on bass or kick.
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Your videos are very helpful 👍🏽
Can you make a video with waves live plugin on Allen & Heath SQ5 ?
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After all that you basically mostly just did a gain reduction with the EQ. There aren't many frequencies left untouched. You could have just dialed the volume/fader down. Almost the same effect. Correct me if I'm wrong!
I really like your videos but it would be nice to have a change of scenery because it's easy to think that you're using the old videos that you repost when in fact they're new, thank you for all your work, it's great.
Hi I am sanjay from India Please try to speak slowly so we can understand because my english is a little weak 😊 🙏
You can slow down the speed of the videos on YT.
Gahhhhh every time i see someone ringing out a speaker..... I have run monitors on thousands of shows by just using a hpf filter set at 50 -80hz hz and never have feedback. I think i maybe had to use GEQ like 3 times and it was because of a weak performer. If someone points their mic at the speaker and gets feedback you as the engineer should be paying attention and mute that mic. All the GEQ basically just makes your speakers and your mix sound like trash. My advice - learn how to gainstage, pay attention and use filters.
I really wish Drew looked at the camera every once in a while.
That’s pretty rude man. Shame on you. 👎🏻
bro cut out all the frequencies
A 32band EQ doesn't show all the frequencies. Of course you could be more surgical with designated EQs for ringing out monitors, however remember that each EQ adjustment you make, also affects the phase correlation of a signal.
The best way to avoid feedback in a wedge is not use them in the first place. In 2024 everyone should be using in ears. Even the garage bands down the street have their own in ear rigs.
Wedges aren’t going away any time soon
I agree to this. However, some people prefer loud wedges
Our worship leader doesn't like things on his ears . He says they mess with his glasses, so we have wedges.
@@philx2897I’m an audio engineer & I wear glasses with IEMs. Lots of my musicians wear glasses with IEMS. He has to learn to adapt. No excuses.
@@Gj8355r nope. Your here to serve the artist. If they require wedges, wedges they get!