Monitor Engineer Show Us Everything! | STYX Evan McElhinney Mixingt Tommy Shaw, JY, Todd Sucherman
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Evan was such a good dude and showed us so much backstage at the Styx show in Indiana. He mixes monitors for Styx members, Tommy Shaw, JY James Young, Todd Sucherman, Chuck Panozzo, Will Evankovich... He even let us toss some in ears on and have a listen and it was mind-boggling. He runs a Digico Console Using Westone ES60 ears for the entire production. We talk about mixing, gear, POWER DISTRIBUTION, and so much more. Buckle up.
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The in ears the band uses. (Universal fit) sweetwater.sjv.io/5gyPao
Had I known when I was younger that these types of jobs existed I totally would have done something like this. But now at 65 I guess I’m over the hill.
But wow what a great job this guy has……mind blown .
@@jeffconley819 Yours truly was on the UK Uni circuit in the mid-70s - SMed Queen the Saturday Rhapsody hit! I like Trekx Air bone conducting BT, so you can hear both transient and output, as long as you can live with the phasing..
Holy crap! That dide knows what he's doing. Love that he just does what's right. The power cams punctuated that.
Thank you!
damn, the skill level of this guy!!!
Evan is a monster
This is really really good, interesting content. I absolutely love listening to guys like Evan - first of all, he knows basically everything there is to know, but on top of that, he's so enthusiastic about his work that his speech can barely follow the speed of his brain thinking about everything and wanting to share. It's just unexpectedly wholesome for a tech video. Thanks for doing this!
Hats off to All monitor Folks. I could never rap my head around doing monitors. As luck would have it if some one asked for more kick in the wedge they would get vocals. Never worked with with a digital monitor board always analogue. I looked like the man behind the curtain in wizard the wizz of oz. Just give me FOH any day.. What a clean setup! Thanks for this content. Watched from top to bottom. Love it.... Keep in coming......
Thanks for the in-depth no B.S. explanations. Evan is super cool to have spent the time and effort for all of us out here on yt. I knew Digico was awesome, but I was still blown away. Little details like the "messenger app" are what makes these super useful tools.
Man! That is gold content! Thanks so much for getting this and putting it out. This engineer is like a samurai, everything is so well thought out and meticulously set up.
Glad you enjoyed it!
That really is. Awesome. Finally I found a fellow perfectionist engineer!
This was awesome thank you! So much great information. I learned a ton
you know your nerd when he went to talk about the power distro and I got excited .. lol
Great rundown!! Thank you both for sharing it!!!
Cool stuff!! Thanks for sharing this experience!
Evan is a credit to the craft in every aspect, even down to his house keeping. Brilliant content, thank you
Wow, what an epic review. Honestly such a pleasure to watch. Such a great, perfectly detailed yet concise and clear tour. Honestly what a beautiful insight in to such an interesting world, had me transfixed - total information feed; I am stuffed! Good interview skills, you let him talk, didn't interrupt but assisted the viewers along the way. Just a great quality all round video. And the audio quality was good enough too (was lovely listening to sound check too) cheers 👍🏻
Great Set-up. Super Presentation of Monitor mixes. Very much Organized Gig Everything sounding Good I love It
Amazing content! I repeat; Amazing! Subscribed.
I really loved the kick drum ducking to preserve the ears of the singer/guitarist. Beautiful. Also the safety with all the layers on each console in case of fader failure. Niiice touch!
When I was brand new to the industry Evan let me listen in to his cue mix during a Styx soundcheck and it really helped me understand just how good an IEM mix could sound. This was back when he was on a pm5D. Nice dude.
Thanks dude! Ron and the gang tell me you're slaying it out there! Keep it up!
What an amazing insight into the pro world for stage sound , having a stage sound with this guy would be priceless. Another world....
Wow! Awesome! So many insights to how and why. Pure Gold!
What a pro! Incredibly knowledgeable, great explanations, and his enthusiasm for his craft is infectious. Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
One of the greatest contents i've ever seen on TH-cam 👏
Hardwork brings everything to simple.❤❤❤
The knowledge, the setup, the professionalism! Top notch!
This is a very powerful mixer, never seen this before. Wish to get to operate this type of console. Thanks for this content
Been using Digico SD8 at monitors for 10 years and picked up a couple of things to try. Great video.
We all learn from each other on that platform. So many features and options.
Great tech talk. Non musicians may not care but wow…amazing to see the dedication and well executed craft of these guys.
O.M.G. This is amazing content! 36 wireless frequencies every show! I had 6 in my old wedding band and constantly had issues. Thanks for this, such a great interview with a guy who clearly knows exactly what he's doing.
Evan is a massively cool guy! Live sound isn't my thing but I really enjoyed this and will certainly watch again 🙂
Evan is DYNAMITE man! Guy knows his ish backward and forward. This was a really great video, thanks much!
Great video! So smart of the band to keep the stage clean/quiet. I bet there are a lot of other musicians kicking themselves for not preserving their hearing while they still could. Not to mention the control that FOH has with most of the noise offstage.
wow that video has blown my mind!! I might need some time just to process what i have seen!
Wow. Thank you. I've always wanted to ask these questions of a monitor engineer. Evan was so generous in sharing his time/info. Awesome video!
It would be so cool to "fly-on-the-wall" for a couple shows with these guys and really watch how they work. Great stuff!
Thank you (both) :)
Where has this video been all my life?! Always wanted to find an opportunity to shadow an expert inear monitor engineer... well I just did! Thank you so much for the amazing content!🙏
My pleasure
That.....was.....awesome!
That was amazing. I totally gear-geaked out! 🤯
This engineer is awesome 👍 🎉🎉🎉🎉. you certainly know your stuff.
Great dude at the Digico and the interviewer did an excellent job as well asking pertinent questions and not just blabbing away like a fanboy.
I liked how the captions said "Tarteck" for guitar tech. Need a shirt made up for those guys with a Captain Caveman type character with a flying-v and a speech bubble saying I'm a Tarteck 😆
I’d wear it
thank you so much for doing this sir 🙏🙏. So much to unpacked, but I learn something new.
My band just started using in ears with small digital mixer.
This kinda operation is lightyears beyond our own in ear mixes lol.. but we can study what other bands do at professional level.
Great video !!
Light years beyond a lot of us. But it’s easy to see the things to put into practice.
amazing work
just awesome, thx u!
I love how he took the time to explain the power connection and challenges faced on the road with some venues and the power vendors. Very important lesson I learned is always check the power and make sure that ground goes to ground and a proper earthing was done in the venue. Overall, this is a good video. Learned so much about monitor world. Thanks Recording Studio looser.
Couldn't agree more!
That was excellent. I don't kow where to start with the superlatives. A massive, concise, and perfect breakdown of how it's done right. Great video! Thanks.
Wow, thank you!
I’m getting t-shirts made which will say, “This is my THIRD rodeo”. I used to see stickers all around. In road cases that said, “safety third”. Funny.
I always say safety should at least be in the top five.
All I can say is wow. Well done. Very nice guy. Don't see that much.
great content sir! would love to see more about who is using Optogate!
Amazing what they do
Cool, thank you both. Content helps to put a face to an audio advance. Sometimes you get very little details of who and what. Interesting workflow with snapshots & going from post to pre on some tunes.
Will be assisting these guys tomorrow.
Thanks for your help today!
Man seeing those old G multi pin connectors is wild
Old man voice - “ they don’t make ‘em’ like they used to”
Awesome vid
I’ve shared head amps with my monitor engineer for years, controlled by him. My philosophy was that if the change was good for the 9 people on stage wearing IEM’s, it was probably good for my FOH mix. However, same deal- it’s never enough of a change to make a huge difference.
I be eating these up! 🤓📝
These are great
This man is a genius !!
Wow! This is incredible content - special but very close
Great content, you got my sub
This is whole different level, at least to me.
Outstanding video - even though I didn't know what the hell Evan was talking about most of the time. :)
Man that guy had passion
Very grateful for the behind-the-scenes look here. Really liked that you got the comms feed during line check! I would have loved to ask about ambient/crowd mics.. seems like every engineer does this differently. I disagree with his use of alcohol wipes on the acrylic IEMs.. better to use something like Audiologist's Choice Audio Wipes, but a band like them probably gets new IEMs made for every tour leg! side note, not sure why closed captions were needed though, I found them incredibly distracting (and inaccurate!), and can turn on YT's captioning if needed.
I had so many people commenting on how bad the audio was and asking for sun title. That was a ton of work. I knew I’d miss some things.
@@RecordingStudioLoserI thought the audio was phenomenal for what was probably a chaotic adhoc shoot! YT does automatic captioning too and it's pretty darn accurate
Holy moly. I better step up my walk-through game. Evan was super thorough going through his rig.
😂
A MAN AND HIS CRAFT….. EXCELLENT 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
And humble enough to share
@@RecordingStudioLoser YES SIR. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING.. CONFUSING TO US NORMAL PEOPLE.. BUT STILL FASCINATING TO WATCH.. THANK YOU BROTHER 🤘🤘🤘🤘
The subtitles are hilarious! 🤣
very cool post....he is WAY dialed in. I would LOVE to have a link or more info on the square multi-pin connectors.
I love that guy. He does what I do. Keep it simple, safe and smart.
Wait till you get hit by an arcing, live, incoming, utility supplied leg, which never should have been an issue, and you’ll see why he takes the ground and neutral disconnect so seriously. I was untying a guest distro at my own house gig late one evening, and someone had stolen my Allen wrench for the lugs, so I was forced to use a large flathead screwdriver, as the hardware stores were closed. Knowing I would need to use that exact one again if I didn’t replace the Allen wrench before next tie-in, I went to place the screwdriver, carefully, holding the wooden handle, tip first, into the bottom of the box, which was simply a disconnect, not where all the breakers were. To this day I don’t know why this happened, maybe wet floor and my Doc Martens were too wet and I was sweaty, I don’t know, maybe the soles weren’t insulating enough, but that screwdriver jumped out of my hand at the last second as I was setting it in place, and welded across from the utility 120 leg to the chassis of the box. This threw me about 5 feet back into a wooden, double door closet with louvers, which housed a big transformer, knocking most of the louvers out of the doors, and left me feeling like a small herd of elephants stomped across the right side of my torso, shoulder, through chest, to my hip. My right leg never felt a thing. Weird. But the lights in the building were flickering and dimming and I could hear 60hz oscillating, and the screwdriver was seriously welded in place. A smack with a drumstick didn’t budge it. But a hard hit with a round base straight mic stand base did break it loose, after a few hits. Unreal. An odd experience. My right side hurt for a few days, but I was functional, with no pain from moving around at all, which was strange, compared to being sore and feeling like you just played a football scrimmage. Just generally very sore. And it just went away. I’ve gotten some “therapy” a few times since, but never that degree, which scared the crap out of me and got me to get a better grip on how AC power works, and it’s incredibly misunderstood. Dangerously misunderstood. The stories of musicians dying on stage are thankfully few. But when in doubt, meter your guitar strings and mic caps against neutral and ground and make sure that what should be neutral or ground actually are. I’ve seen an artist get thrown backwards into a double full stack after a small lightning strike jumped from the mic to his lips. My house gear was properly wired and grounded and it took a lot of convincing to establish that, since the artist immediately blamed the “house”. No mic cable should ever be able to be live. But what happens if the power cable from that old Fender amp is “repaired”, and the guy thinks that since it’s AC, polarity doesn’t matter? Well, without a complete circuit, hot is hot, and neutral is not, and neither is ground. When a circuit is made, like when a device is plugged in, neutral is now also energized, but ground SHOULD not be. The mic cap CAN be connected to the power ground, but generally is not, as the XLR ground pin usually goes through a transformer from mic to console, often at the snake split, unless the split has ground lifts on every channel, and the ground is lifted on that channel, which means no alternate route for current. If the amps power cable is mis wired such that the otherwise grounded bridge, tuners, and strings are now connected to the hot leg of power, the results can be bad. Where the person is not grounded, like with rubber soles being the insulator, the person cannot act as the completion of the circuit. But when they touch the strings, which are connected inadvertently to the line side of power, through the ungrounded, two prong power cable which was installed wrong, and then the person’s presumably wet lips touch or approach the mic, which is maybe now connected to neutral through the bonding bus bar, where the XLR ground has been “lifted” it is disconnected, removing a safe path. Now, the grounded mic cap, to mic chassis, to XLR ground, to equipment chassis, which is ultimately connected through the neutral to ground, completes the circuit, thereby bypassing the safeguards of a properly grounded system. Accidentally. AC connection polarity does matter, especially in certain circumstances. Which is why Ground Fault Circuit Interruptors are used in wet environments. They break the ground circuit if needed, where that very safety path could be the death path.
… good lord. That is wild man…. Glad you’re alive to tell the story. Scary stuff.
Ive done sound for our own bands locally my whole life. Im 60 now. Ive never heard of 80% of what he is showing us! The difference is 1970s to elon musk!
Technology
Super!
I felt it, the pain my friends are geting when I'm starting to tell them about my devops-sre role :))))
Well, as you said, I'm enjoying this lol...
Out of curiosity; the last part about the power, are they dragging in separate lines for phases, neutral & ground?
Here in EU we usually have a single CEE form connector for 3 phase up to 125A@380V~ I can imagine that running separate wires makes it easier to transport as combined can get a bit clunky
Yes we use individual cables for ground, neutral, and the three phases.
Your CEE connection is a better scheme.
Since we use roughly half the voltage, each leg is double the current of what your system is meaning each cable is much heavier with larger gauge.
Is there any chance you did or could do a video on Larry and his rig? He's just an amazing guy and super talented. I've been a fan of him since his early days in a band called Rheingold.
It didn’t work out. This time around unfortunately. Next time
as a pro, this guy knows his shit. awesome
Pretty cool.....
Ahhh.. The Amp G Series connector. Still my all time favorite multipin for audio. (Clair Brothers and Audio Analysts were both big users of the "G") You know that patch will survive a nuclear blast! (or ham-fisted local crew). And still the easiest to service in the field..
A lot of my gear dates back to the Audio Analysts days. Tried and true.
@@styxbeerguy9279 I thought I recognized the AA racks! Always wanted one of their workboxes...
@@theoriginalscolahow much $$$ you got? Jk. Not for sale.
A whole nother level…
No kidding
"Nutshell" :)
Wow
I like you and your channel subbed and looking forward to the ride 🫡
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9:57 - Save your ears while you can.
Camera man mumbles: Shiiit 😂😂
Anyone knows what of equipement he using for testing the ears phone?
I think audio tm2
So, i think i missed a bit. Where does the red wire go?
F around and find out.
"more spank." Love it.
where's my Ween Meme Exchange homies?? bahahahahaaa
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What brand are those G multi pin connectors? Amphenol? I can't seem to find and would love to look into those.
Yes. Amphenol G series. They are OLD. Not even sure if they are still available
@@cookie_mix thanks for the reply! I do see something in my searches called a 'G-BLOCK' connector which may be the same or similar. There is (also?) a G-series connector made by a company called Wireworks (Amphenol-style/compatible? who knows) but I'm still researching. Thanks for your help, and again the reply!
BTW - love this video... gold!
@@craigg8314 wireworks I think took over the production. Yes G block. Those would be the connectors. One block would be pinned as 6 audio pairs (18 pins) and two block connectors were pinned as double 6 pairs so 18 pins in each block. This had to do with multi cable limitations back in the 80’s (not kidding) where Belden only made 11 pair then later made 12 pair cable.
It’s an old robust connector but most companies have moved onto others.
@@cookie_mix Wow that is amazing! Really appreciate your insight and info. Very interesting, cheers!
check out wire works. they seem to still be into this connector.
you got 8 fingers, i need to see them all on faders right now...
Just fingers?
Great Video ! What up with the original bass player ? lol
Chuck is 74, and a founding member of the band. He has gone through many health issues in his lifetime and is still driven to be on stage. On top of that he’s a great dude. When he is out he plays about 5-7 songs a night with the band.
He could charge money for this explanation
So very beautiful
2:11
$1200 in ears must be nice.
Friends don’t let friends do monitors
Because that friend will always find work and you’ll be lonely.
Why would you bake in subtitles into the video?
On top of that they're incorrect which makes it even worse that you can't disable them
Also, why did you push the camera to the side so you can't really see anything?
Maybe you should have filmed yourself instead of preventing a camera person from doing it
As a professional touring drummer and singer, I am NOT an Artist, I’m a MUSICIAN!!! Artists draw or paint, IMO
It's 'artiste'.... An artist is a creator of art, whereas an artiste is a professional performer of art.
Came toto find out what it sounds like with in ear monitors, disappointed in the first 90 seconds. :(