You should never measure camber without load on the suspension. The geometry changes. You will be measuring positive camber because when the suspension is at full extent the tires tend to form a V
I still don't understand how you can put a level on the rotor. You don't expect the car to be level on the lift do you? I'm asking because I don't know , not because I'm calling you a liar. Thanks for sharing
Of course... however for this video I was making it a simple as possible for the none mechanic folks so they would understand better and not over complicate the process. But I always love expert... opinions. And just to point out, camber is not always going to show anything other than it is out of alignment and not an actual worn part. Furthermore there are so many new vehicles that there is actually no camber adjustment, but you knew that of course.
Correct, however the "smoking gun" is the inside tire wear, thus why it is on a lift to better show the TH-cam audience 😀 but hey, Thank you for the comment!
Is it common that the inside wears more, but evenly on all 4 tires I have an awd sedan with “sport” suspension pretty much all it does is offset your rims a little bit to prevent roll over, I’m hoping that’s the cause, the difference is minor so I’m still able to pretty much have full life out the tyres, I just wanted to throw it out there, any thoughts??
Great question, if you are getting your tire rotated regularly at oil changes, it is possible to see wear on "all four" tires. Inned tire wear is not super common on with rear tires, but it can happen. It is usually just front tires being rotated on the rear that can make it look like the rear suspension is wearing them. But rear suspensions do wear and break down, just not as fast as the front suspension. Hope this helps! Be safe out there.
2017 focus here…. Both my tires had wire threaded on them in the front. My boss who is a mechanic who fixes trucks and etc says that the ball joints and etc are all good he’s thinking just an alignment but what you think?
Alignment is always a factor, it is always a good idea when you get new tires, also get an Alignment. If the wear parts are good, ball joints, control arms and struts, then Alignment is what is needed.
They changed my tires and on the driver side they replaced the upper ball joint. All this was done 2 years ago. I noticed this morning the same tire where they changed the upper ball joint, the tire is worn on the inside. All tires look good but that one.
Is that normal because the tires slants when turning? I wonder if that sometimes happens, cuz I’ve been running winter tires(too soft) on normal weather and noticed they are very worn inside edge, i do a lot sharp turns in low speed also
Wheels will angle into turns, this is a safety feature, however unless you are in Nascar, you are driving straight most of the time and not turning. Thus why you should rotate tires at every oil change. When rolling down the road the tire should be square to the road... anything else is typically a suspension issue, which it sounds like you may have, get that checked out quick and be safe! :)
I have the exact same issue with my Dodge Challenger and I wasn't able to quite understand how the arms are making the inside tread wear out considerably more than the outside. It's clear now, GREAT VIDEO, ISSUES LAID OUT BARE IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER, AWESOME AND KNOWLEDGEABLE. As I understand I will need to change the upper and lower arm. Also, one question CAN I USE THE SAME TIRES (THE TREAD WEAR IS NOT AS BAD AS IN THE VIDEO) OR IF I CAN ROTATE, WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS. My technician is telling me to get rid of the tires altogether, and I beg to differ on that as tires are just 14-15 months old. Looking forward to your reply. Thank you!!
Well depends on the tread wear and depth. If they are still above 2 on all sides of the tire, make them rears with the more wear probably to the inside. If they are at 2 or lower, then the would have to be replaced.
Im gonna start with an alignment. My trailer arm was bent and then replaced due to a truck hitting my tire. But still my tire is toed in. Metal chords on inner tire were showing bad... Thanks for the video
@@caligas1735 no. My bf is a mechanic but I had taken my car to Mavis because my bf's shop was busy. He said that the alignment wasn't done right and my wheel is still not straight. Looks exactly like it did when I brought it there. So they told me I need to take it to have the wheel straightened out, apparently they don't do that there. Its camber or whatever. I dont know too much about cars.
Im having alignment issues with my car. All 4 wheels, both rear rapid tyre wear and both fronts wearing on inner edge within 4k miles they are bold down inner edge. So i took it to yet another alignment shop and they said my bolts are siezed all 4 of them. I freed up the front ones but realy struggling with rear bolts. This time i watched how they do it and its wrong how they doing it. Just putting a plate on my (out of spec) rear wheel and putting a laser on front. But what if my rear track base is shorter or longer. Well i found my rear track is 1445mm and front 1450mm. So i have made a laser alignment tool myself and worked out how to get round the front and rear track difference issue. Only difference with my method is to un hitch the balljoint and turn wheel til the laser hits the center mark i measured accurately in accordance to my track base then toe it in to 2mm which is what i need, i have put a measure diagram on the board to show me. Then i adjust balljoint to swiftly fit in place. My camber is done with camber gauge.
@@GarageMahalLife yes perfectly, infact today i went on the highway and noticed how stable it was, my steering is now straight, reduced tyre noise and didnt feel like they was dragging which felt obvious before, handled very good, way better than before, steering lighter and most noticable was the horrific shaking at 70mph that has now gone, before it felt unsafe at 70 mph now it felt amazing doing a quick sneaky 85mph down the highway. Cant believe it worked that well. Might do a video on it.
Very few cars have an adjustment/alignment for the rear wheels, so when you get inner or outer wear the rear control arms and or struts/shocks need to be replaced.
question,can I fix this problem by using camber bolt to adjust the camber provided that everything else is ok?and if i use the camber bolt to fix this negative camber ,can I put back the original bolts without affecting the camber or the steering knuckles will move as soon as I remove the camber bolt from the hole?
Yes and no, depends on the model car. Some cars especially inexpensive ones will have no to little camber adjustment and solely depends on the strut and control arm to be in working order.
Thanks very much Brian for this video. Very informative. I found it because I found my rear tyre on an 07 Jag X type estate was worn through to the wire on the inside edge. Strangely it was worn very badly in one spot but not so badly around the rest of the inside edge. This seemed strange to me. I also hear and feel a judder through the steering almost like driving over joints in a concrete road, which increase in frequency the faster I travel. Once past 20-5 mph I can't hear it anymore or feel it. I had the tyre changed and the wheel alignment checked. The garage told me the corner with the damaged tyre was fine for toe but that the other side had a seized tracking arm/bar and they couldn't adjust the negative toe on that side. The vibration judder was still present after the work was carried out, but they could only adjust the front wheels tracking etc. Any thoughts on what this could be? Thanks from the UK !
Yes, however they should have discovered that if you had a 4 wheel alignment. Again front suspension pieces maybe loose and worn, also should have been caught in the alignment process.
Excessive Toe will cause more inner tire wear than camber. A a degree or so of neg camber will improve handling, even. I would send that for an alignment before changing all those parts. If they can't get the car to align, then yes, you probably have worn/bent parts.
Too much toe in would cause scrubbing and that was not apparent. Struts had visible bends in them, hard to see from the video and the upper balls were worn completely after changing them... I will have a follow-up video of the repair soon and you will see how bad the parts were worn...
@@GarageMahalLife Its easy to see worn ball joints so I don't doubt that at all. However, bent struts is harder to believe. That would have to be one hell of a pot hole! But you're absolutely right, I can't arm chair QB all that just because I cant' see what you see. Nice work.
Thank You My boy friend is a mechanic works in a shop and making like I'm the fault for this issue, now i know and going to find another mechanic to check my tires out. I went through 5 used tires in the past 3 months
My inner wear is on my passenger rear tire Honda odyssey I’m thinking wheel bearing but it’s excessive the tire only 4 months old the rest are fine I have never seen a wheel bearing cause that much wear it’s not visually off . Just wondering have you seen this happen due to a whee bearing ?
I've definitely seen tire wear from bad bearings, but it is a compounding affect. Bad bearing, bad shocks, bad ball joints, bad control arms... they all are contributing factors, and even if they all are just slightly worn, added together can cause a lot! Be safe, hope this helps.
I have 2007 accord and it's the same thing , tires worn from inside. Just got new tires replaced last week and need to find out what the problems are before it got any worst. Car was brand new and it's currently at 138k . Co worker told me to do alignment and I dont know if that's going to help.
The vibration sounds like a wheel balancing issue, however if you are getting wear, the tires will go out of balance as a result. I would say it is probably the lower balls and or shocks/struts.
Have a Toyota minivan with all 4 tires. That get rotated every 5k miles and all wearing on the outside. I read this is from alignment. Rides fine at 235k miles. Any suggestions?
Which one do you recommend to fix first to rule out the exact problem, my two front tire wear out pretty bad on the inside and I was told loaded struct assembly, steering and suspension , and shocks. thank you in advance
What kind of car? Struts/shocks wear out faster than other wear parts. But it is all connected, shocks, control arms... if left unchecked for a while, they all can wear and create an unsafe situation. Sometimes you have to replace it all. I know some budgets make this difficult, but it truly comes down to a safety issue.
@@GarageMahalLife its 2011 santfe. The only problem I had was the front tires wearing out pretty bad in the inside part and I want fix that first then do the other suspension in the future.. my left lower control arm had a play and went and changed it fingerd crossed this will stop the issues
I have a 2001 Mercury Cougar only 61k miles.. Both rear wheels have the same issue this car has. When I take off it clunks. Makes noises when driving, as well as at speed the rear end feels loose and unsafe. Does that sound like a ball joint issue?
Yes, absolutely. I would check the control arms front and rear too. Upper control arms can definitely make it feel loose and out of control... be safe and get it check out immediately.
Thanks for the video, I was seeing some inside wear on the driver side of my 2010 accord coupe and heard some clunking when driving and saw I had a bad bearing so I changed the whole knuckle n it came w a lower ball joint, got it aligned, then it started wearing even worse. Did some more research n I changed the tie rod ends, sway bar end links, upper control arms, lower control arm bushings aren't cracking and look good, but I still hear the clunking every now and then, my only other idea is it could be sway bar bushings making noise but don't want to pay for 3 or 4 alignment after fixing every little thing. Struts seem straight to me when I pulled them to change the upper control arms, any other idea what may cause some clunking or wear? Sorry for the long comment, thank you!
So tomorrow I’m hoping to purchase a car but noticed that the inner tire had some wire showing like strings very light on Michelin pilot sport 4s not sure if it’s cause it’s on 19 inch wheels or maybe it’s not aligned properly or maybe they just left those tires on but they seem to have so much life left
If you have threads showing, the tires are unsafe. I is a sure sign of suspension wear and can cost you potentially $1000s, have a mechanic check it out before you purchase... be safe out there!
I looked at my balljoints and things and I saw that the nutt at the center of the rotor was way loose. I tighten it up will that solve the tier problem of my tiers being worn down on the inside ? Any body
The brake rotor? Any loose nut in the suspension would be a major problem and needs to either be replaced or that whole part replaced. Sounds like a potentially Dangerous situation! Please have that carefully looked at and repaired immediately.
Typically no, they are there to control movement, not alignments. However if they are severely worn, they can interfere with an alignment issue under extreme circumstances
Depends on a lot of factors, parts and vehicle. Do you know specifically what is wrong on your car and what car model? I can give you an online estimate
Either your rear shock and or spring broke, rear bearing is broken or the rear control arm is broke as well. One of those... either way dangerous situation, tow or have it repaired there. Do not drive, be safe!
Two questions: 1. What gauge are you using for the Camber, I can't find a magnetic one that measures vertical like that? 2. My inner tire wear (front driver side is shredded) is coming with grinding and sometimes acts like it's trying to catch (brakes were just changed a few weeks ago)..I have no problem checking all of these, but thought you could give me a possible "first thing" to look at :)
Try this tool amzn.to/3WyKUm4 And are your tires the right size? Sometimes custom rims and tires can be slightly beyond factory size and you can get a grinding on the inside of the wheel wells when you turn. Turn left and right all the way and make sure this is not happening. Also make sure your lower ball joint is tight and not loose. As well as lower and or upper control arms. If you hit a bad pot hole or bump, it can shift the control arms out of alignment pretty easy.
They should, however if you had failing parts, they may or may not have looked that closely. The parts could have failed shortly after the alignment. However a good reputable shop would have given you the heads up prior to doing the alignment. And one good pot hole can wreck an alignment instantly.
Man I got 2018 vw jetta. Bought it brand new rotate every oil change. 30,000 miles both back tires inner wear loud noise. Replace all tires. Get new tires car pulls to the right. Take it back to vw they say ohh you just need an alignment. Align the car still pulling, probably worse than before and steering wheel is crooked. Get my tires rotated next service and then car pulls left. Get to 30000 again same thing now loud noise inner wear both back tires and pulling to the right. (Had them rotated again.) Wtf is going on, what should I do???
You have some serious issues that need to be looked at immediately. Sounds like you have some failed suspension components... either way a potential dangerous situation.
@@GarageMahalLife I agree something is off. It is still under warranty so I have been taking it to volkswagen. I'm starting to think I may need to seek help elsewhere??
Hard to say with out looking at it, but I would say it was a combination of things, mainly lower ball joints, control arms and possible alignment. Either way it needs so serious attention.
Mine is wearing on the inside too but very wavy when I move my hands on them. So very loud for noise. The shocks work fine but perhaps like you said they got hit/bent (used car so idk) so could it be combo of rear upper control arms being bad and shocks being out of line?
Could be all the above, if there are a lot of miles, the shocks and struts could be worn, upper and lower control arms could also be worn, they all have bushings that wear over time and need to be replaced.
I can agree that replacing a bunch of old parts with new parts can fix things. How do you forget to mention alignment. The shock had nothing to do with the angle of the tire since it had upper and lower control arms. This is why I do my own work on my cars.
Alignment, sure, but the shock, strut when they wear, they get a lot of play, if you only have a lower control arm, that plays a major, MAJOR factor...
@@GarageMahalLife I could totally agree with that statement.. problem is the shock was attached only at the bottom A arm. There was a Ball Joint at the top that was being pointed out, which means upper A arm as well. Which in turn means that the shock had nothing to do with the angle of the tire.
I would first check to make sure the lower ball joints, control arms and struts are in good shape. If so then do an alignment and you should be good :)
Hey Brian, I just got new summer tires since the old rear ones were worn-out on the edges. The shop suggested an alignment check but the alignment came out perfect. They also said that the wear could be from under inflation and driving habits. We couldn't tell if the wear was on the inside or outside since the tires were in storage and not on the car. The car is a rwd car. Is it possible that the outer edges get more wear from under inflation and driving habits? Can an alignment came out okay if there is camber or toe?
Over and under inflation is a factor for sure. But hopefully most oil change places correct the tire pressure and or the DIY crowd as well. Typically I rarely see the under or over inflation, but very possible if drivers don't look or care about their cars too much. Alignments are also factors that a lot of people let go too long. At a min. You should get an Alignment every year...
Any alignment issue will cause tire wear, excessive toe out would cause a situation called "scrubbing" and you would experience more of an overall tire wear and inner tire wear as well.
Why would you want to rotate your tires if it was destroying your tire? I seriously doubt the alignment went bad because of not rotating your tires. Do not rotate your tires if your alignment is off.
Correct, however the evidence is there without it being on the ground. This video was for demonstration purposes and not to show how to fix and or accurately measure the problem/issues. But hey thank you so much for watching and commenting 😀
Still here...but that "head light" (pun intened) isn't the best for this... Informative and helpful but please work on your lighting situation if you do a lot of videos
@@tylerparker3024 Suggestions... however if the valley joint has worn out, the others will be close behind. But hey, mechanics will love to replace the ball joint, the control arm, then struts. And charging you labor each time. In the long run, it is better for your car, you, safety and your wallet to do it all at the same time. Remember car parts don't heal, they get worse...
All of those parts have different life expectancies. I dont go to mechanics i just do it myself so i dont have to worry about labor costs. But what gets me about mechanics always wanting to tell someone they NEED to replace everything at once is the fact that the majority of families in this country cant actually afford to do so all at once. Its easier for them to pay for labor more than one time than it is for them to drop all their money at once on things they didnt know that they didnt actually need.
The fact that you reference the camber gauge with the suspension dangling tells me you’re not very good at what you do. You can’t check camber while the suspension is unloaded. No sh*t the camber is off by a 1/4 inch since the suspension is hanging down. Guess when they do alignment checks they let the vehicles tires hang down as well. Come on man!
Informative video, keeping it simple, guess you didn't see the car stands in the back ground 😉 that's okay, can only discuss and show what's in the frame of the video. But I'm glad you feel it is okay to bully when you don't have the whole picture or all the info. All good here to help and I see you are not. Well be safe and feel free to do something better to help people 😊
If you are trying to be informative you would have the jack stands under the control arms and compressing them so it’s ride height. I don’t know how many times you through that camber gauge on it but the times I saw it I didn’t see a jack stand at all underneath. There is no bullying here. I’m an realist and I’m hoping people who watch your video don’t start throwing parts on their car when they mimic the 1/4 off of from being plumb.
It is common camber fault of honda car. Bad design of honda company. My another car will not be honda car. All most all bushing will be defective less than 40000km. Big trouble.
You did a really good job explaining this situation. and you don't have annoying music or an annoying intro.
Great video.
Thank you
You should never measure camber without load on the suspension. The geometry changes. You will be measuring positive camber because when the suspension is at full extent the tires tend to form a V
Right... but when it goes up on the lift, the wear on the tire doesn't magically ✨️ appear.
I still don't understand how you can put a level on the rotor. You don't expect the car to be level on the lift do you? I'm asking because I don't know , not because I'm calling you a liar. Thanks for sharing
Thank u .. u really helped in showing me what you do to get my car fixed .... Thanks you're awesome
Im here to help, 😊 you for watching!
Love when mechanics “show us” whats wrong in the DARK
Right
Wonderful video... This helped me out so much. I am having the same issue with my rear tires. Thank you .
Glad to help 😀
but don't u check camber with the weight of the vehicle on the suspension??
Of course... however for this video I was making it a simple as possible for the none mechanic folks so they would understand better and not over complicate the process. But I always love expert... opinions. And just to point out, camber is not always going to show anything other than it is out of alignment and not an actual worn part. Furthermore there are so many new vehicles that there is actually no camber adjustment, but you knew that of course.
Why honda don't have camber adjustment?
@@GarageMahalLife
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@@GarageMahalLife if that’s the case, then you should explain that in the video so the non-mechanics will know that’s not how you do it in real life.
Just fyi the camber and caster should be checked with the vehicle completely on the ground. Camber changes with the change in suspension height.
Correct, however the "smoking gun" is the inside tire wear, thus why it is on a lift to better show the TH-cam audience 😀 but hey, Thank you for the comment!
Is it common that the inside wears more, but evenly on all 4 tires I have an awd sedan with “sport” suspension pretty much all it does is offset your rims a little bit to prevent roll over, I’m hoping that’s the cause, the difference is minor so I’m still able to pretty much have full life out the tyres, I just wanted to throw it out there, any thoughts??
Great question, if you are getting your tire rotated regularly at oil changes, it is possible to see wear on "all four" tires. Inned tire wear is not super common on with rear tires, but it can happen. It is usually just front tires being rotated on the rear that can make it look like the rear suspension is wearing them. But rear suspensions do wear and break down, just not as fast as the front suspension. Hope this helps! Be safe out there.
Nice explanation 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 thanks. love the camera. Keep it up please.
Thank you for watching, here to help.
2017 focus here…. Both my tires had wire threaded on them in the front. My boss who is a mechanic who fixes trucks and etc says that the ball joints and etc are all good he’s thinking just an alignment but what you think?
Alignment is always a factor, it is always a good idea when you get new tires, also get an Alignment. If the wear parts are good, ball joints, control arms and struts, then Alignment is what is needed.
Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching and commenting 😀
They changed my tires and on the driver side they replaced the upper ball joint. All this was done 2 years ago. I noticed this morning the same tire where they changed the upper ball joint, the tire is worn on the inside. All tires look good but that one.
Tire is also bumpy on the inside.
I'd say the lower ball needs inspection. And if they used a inexpensive part for the upper, it could have failed again...
Is that normal because the tires slants when turning? I wonder if that sometimes happens, cuz I’ve been running winter tires(too soft) on normal weather and noticed they are very worn inside edge, i do a lot sharp turns in low speed also
Wheels will angle into turns, this is a safety feature, however unless you are in Nascar, you are driving straight most of the time and not turning. Thus why you should rotate tires at every oil change. When rolling down the road the tire should be square to the road... anything else is typically a suspension issue, which it sounds like you may have, get that checked out quick and be safe! :)
I have the exact same issue with my Dodge Challenger and I wasn't able to quite understand how the arms are making the inside tread wear out considerably more than the outside. It's clear now, GREAT VIDEO, ISSUES LAID OUT BARE IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER, AWESOME AND KNOWLEDGEABLE. As I understand I will need to change the upper and lower arm. Also, one question
CAN I USE THE SAME TIRES (THE TREAD WEAR IS NOT AS BAD AS IN THE VIDEO) OR IF I CAN ROTATE, WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS. My technician is telling me to get rid of the tires altogether, and I beg to differ on that as tires are just 14-15 months old. Looking forward to your reply. Thank you!!
Well depends on the tread wear and depth. If they are still above 2 on all sides of the tire, make them rears with the more wear probably to the inside. If they are at 2 or lower, then the would have to be replaced.
@@GarageMahalLife Thank you so much! Sure, will have a measure and then go from there.
mine were soo bad they were bald every 2 weeks
Im gonna start with an alignment. My trailer arm was bent and then replaced due to a truck hitting my tire. But still my tire is toed in. Metal chords on inner tire were showing bad... Thanks for the video
Thank you for watching, I'm here to help.
Did it work ?
@@caligas1735 no. My bf is a mechanic but I had taken my car to Mavis because my bf's shop was busy. He said that the alignment wasn't done right and my wheel is still not straight. Looks exactly like it did when I brought it there. So they told me I need to take it to have the wheel straightened out, apparently they don't do that there. Its camber or whatever. I dont know too much about cars.
Thank you. I have inner tire wear since the previous owners never bother to fix the front suspension.
Glad this could help, Thank you for Watching
I have a 2012 focus that is doing this. We have spent a lot on new control arms, shocks, and the alignment is in spec. Anybody else have this issue?
I see that generation of Focus on a regular basis in my shop for control arms, bearings, you name it...
Im having alignment issues with my car. All 4 wheels, both rear rapid tyre wear and both fronts wearing on inner edge within 4k miles they are bold down inner edge. So i took it to yet another alignment shop and they said my bolts are siezed all 4 of them. I freed up the front ones but realy struggling with rear bolts. This time i watched how they do it and its wrong how they doing it. Just putting a plate on my (out of spec) rear wheel and putting a laser on front. But what if my rear track base is shorter or longer. Well i found my rear track is 1445mm and front 1450mm. So i have made a laser alignment tool myself and worked out how to get round the front and rear track difference issue. Only difference with my method is to un hitch the balljoint and turn wheel til the laser hits the center mark i measured accurately in accordance to my track base then toe it in to 2mm which is what i need, i have put a measure diagram on the board to show me. Then i adjust balljoint to swiftly fit in place. My camber is done with camber gauge.
Sounds good, worked in the end?
@@GarageMahalLife yes perfectly, infact today i went on the highway and noticed how stable it was, my steering is now straight, reduced tyre noise and didnt feel like they was dragging which felt obvious before, handled very good, way better than before, steering lighter and most noticable was the horrific shaking at 70mph that has now gone, before it felt unsafe at 70 mph now it felt amazing doing a quick sneaky 85mph down the highway. Cant believe it worked that well. Might do a video on it.
Thank you!
Thank you for watching and commenting 😀
I luv how u check ball joints just by looking at them
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My bushing on my strut where it gets bolted to the lower control arm is all cracked and like missing some rubber could this be the problem?
When those rubber donuts start to crackat the bushings, yes it is time to replace as they will contribute to alignment issues...
@@GarageMahalLife okay thanks do you know if you can replace just the rubber ?
@@Scatpack23 No, it is all part of the control arm. Lube the heck out of bolt so it can slide through the bushing easier.
@@GarageMahalLife okay thanks, have a goodnight
What about the back wheel too
Very few cars have an adjustment/alignment for the rear wheels, so when you get inner or outer wear the rear control arms and or struts/shocks need to be replaced.
question,can I fix this problem by using camber bolt to adjust the camber provided that everything else is ok?and if i use the camber bolt to fix this negative camber ,can I put back the original bolts without affecting the camber or the steering knuckles will move as soon as I remove the camber bolt from the hole?
Yes and no, depends on the model car. Some cars especially inexpensive ones will have no to little camber adjustment and solely depends on the strut and control arm to be in working order.
I have an 05 Yukon which I've already replaced the rotors on and it only wears on the inside of the front left tire. Any ideas?
Lower ball joint/control arm. Front struts also play a factor on that size vehicle...
@@GarageMahalLife thank you 👏👏👏 for your response. I'll get it checked soon
Thanks very much Brian for this video. Very informative. I found it because I found my rear tyre on an 07 Jag X type estate was worn through to the wire on the inside edge. Strangely it was worn very badly in one spot but not so badly around the rest of the inside edge. This seemed strange to me. I also hear and feel a judder through the steering almost like driving over joints in a concrete road, which increase in frequency the faster I travel. Once past 20-5 mph I can't hear it anymore or feel it. I had the tyre changed and the wheel alignment checked. The garage told me the corner with the damaged tyre was fine for toe but that the other side had a seized tracking arm/bar and they couldn't adjust the negative toe on that side. The vibration judder was still present after the work was carried out, but they could only adjust the front wheels tracking etc. Any thoughts on what this could be? Thanks from the UK !
Hi, how many miles on the Jag? Super cool car by the way! 😀
@@GarageMahalLife 133000 miles, probably original shocks etc.
Would having a bent frame cause front passenger tire wear on the inside? I've had two alignments done but still car pulls to the right.
Yes, however they should have discovered that if you had a 4 wheel alignment. Again front suspension pieces maybe loose and worn, also should have been caught in the alignment process.
Excessive Toe will cause more inner tire wear than camber. A a degree or so of neg camber will improve handling, even. I would send that for an alignment before changing all those parts. If they can't get the car to align, then yes, you probably have worn/bent parts.
Too much toe in would cause scrubbing and that was not apparent. Struts had visible bends in them, hard to see from the video and the upper balls were worn completely after changing them... I will have a follow-up video of the repair soon and you will see how bad the parts were worn...
@@GarageMahalLife Its easy to see worn ball joints so I don't doubt that at all. However, bent struts is harder to believe. That would have to be one hell of a pot hole! But you're absolutely right, I can't arm chair QB all that just because I cant' see what you see. Nice work.
@@kpacker5151 All good, if you saw the pot holes we grow here, you would be shocked! Be safe.
Yeah. Just needs a whole new control arm and stutts...lol.... is this canadian tire?
@@bumschkinn lol, not sure...
Thank You My boy friend is a mechanic works in a shop and making like I'm the fault for this issue, now i know and going to find another mechanic to check my tires out. I went through 5 used tires in the past 3 months
Yeah, little things add up to bigger things. Be safe out there and thank you for commenting and watching 👀
what would put it off more than the other? An would sloppy wheel bearings do this as well?
Wheel bearings can also cause this, but extreme... more suspension issues.
My inner wear is on my passenger rear tire Honda odyssey I’m thinking wheel bearing but it’s excessive the tire only 4 months old the rest are fine I have never seen a wheel bearing cause that much wear it’s not visually off . Just wondering have you seen this happen due to a whee bearing ?
I've definitely seen tire wear from bad bearings, but it is a compounding affect. Bad bearing, bad shocks, bad ball joints, bad control arms... they all are contributing factors, and even if they all are just slightly worn, added together can cause a lot! Be safe, hope this helps.
I have 2007 accord and it's the same thing , tires worn from inside. Just got new tires replaced last week and need to find out what the problems are before it got any worst. Car was brand new and it's currently at 138k . Co worker told me to do alignment and I dont know if that's going to help.
If you have worn co trol arms or tie rods it won't matter... check for worn suspension parts...
Omg I have accord and mine all 4 are like this!
Did u find out the issue?
My 08 Silverado 4x4 is doing the same and it vibrates at 60-65mph what can that be??
The vibration sounds like a wheel balancing issue, however if you are getting wear, the tires will go out of balance as a result. I would say it is probably the lower balls and or shocks/struts.
@@GarageMahalLife really appreciate it, I’ll go check it out
@@efrenalanis3400 I'm here to help if you need anything, be safe out there.
Have a Toyota minivan with all 4 tires. That get rotated every 5k miles and all wearing on the outside. I read this is from alignment. Rides fine at 235k miles. Any suggestions?
With that many miles, it sounds like a suspension issue. Check control arms all the way around and struts/shocks.
Which one do you recommend to fix first to rule out the exact problem, my two front tire wear out pretty bad on the inside and I was told loaded struct assembly, steering and suspension , and shocks. thank you in advance
What kind of car? Struts/shocks wear out faster than other wear parts. But it is all connected, shocks, control arms... if left unchecked for a while, they all can wear and create an unsafe situation. Sometimes you have to replace it all. I know some budgets make this difficult, but it truly comes down to a safety issue.
@@GarageMahalLife its 2011 santfe. The only problem I had was the front tires wearing out pretty bad in the inside part and I want fix that first then do the other suspension in the future.. my left lower control arm had a play and went and changed it fingerd crossed this will stop the issues
Will this cause an understeer feel when turning and viberating in the wheels ?
The wear can cause the wheel balance to go out, this is probably what you feel and yes.
I have a 2001 Mercury Cougar only 61k miles.. Both rear wheels have the same issue this car has. When I take off it clunks. Makes noises when driving, as well as at speed the rear end feels loose and unsafe. Does that sound like a ball joint issue?
Yes, absolutely. I would check the control arms front and rear too. Upper control arms can definitely make it feel loose and out of control... be safe and get it check out immediately.
Will a worn-out strut do that cause my driver side strut is worn out
Absolutely, so.e new cars have no adjustment, so a worn out strut can cause this too.
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I appreciate that! Thank you for watching and commenting
Thanks for the video, I was seeing some inside wear on the driver side of my 2010 accord coupe and heard some clunking when driving and saw I had a bad bearing so I changed the whole knuckle n it came w a lower ball joint, got it aligned, then it started wearing even worse. Did some more research n I changed the tie rod ends, sway bar end links, upper control arms, lower control arm bushings aren't cracking and look good, but I still hear the clunking every now and then, my only other idea is it could be sway bar bushings making noise but don't want to pay for 3 or 4 alignment after fixing every little thing. Struts seem straight to me when I pulled them to change the upper control arms, any other idea what may cause some clunking or wear? Sorry for the long comment, thank you!
You can change the sway bar links without affecting the alignment at all.
@@GarageMahalLife thank you I hear you I also changed those because they were visibly shot but can't think of anything else to affect it
Did you ever find the solution to the problem?
If you are putting new tires on it then why would you have to rotate them?
As an example
So tomorrow I’m hoping to purchase a car but noticed that the inner tire had some wire showing like strings very light on Michelin pilot sport 4s not sure if it’s cause it’s on 19 inch wheels or maybe it’s not aligned properly or maybe they just left those tires on but they seem to have so much life left
If you have threads showing, the tires are unsafe. I is a sure sign of suspension wear and can cost you potentially $1000s, have a mechanic check it out before you purchase... be safe out there!
What about my Pontiac G6 I run thru tires crazy on my front
Sounds like you have a lot of worn suspension parts and or need a 4 wheel alignment... I would have that checked out immediately, be safe!
I looked at my balljoints and things and I saw that the nutt at the center of the rotor was way loose. I tighten it up will that solve the tier problem of my tiers being worn down on the inside ? Any body
The brake rotor? Any loose nut in the suspension would be a major problem and needs to either be replaced or that whole part replaced. Sounds like a potentially Dangerous situation! Please have that carefully looked at and repaired immediately.
Thanks very much. Excellent video
Thank you for watching!
Can the end link bushing's on the sway bar cause this as well.
Typically no, they are there to control movement, not alignments. However if they are severely worn, they can interfere with an alignment issue under extreme circumstances
I have a Lexus and front both tires are goin Fast cus of that inner tire wear
I would say the ball joints and or the struts are bad...
My rear tires wearing inside after I replaced my shocks and sway bar links
That is a negative camber adjustment, is there an adjustment set screw on the control arms? Or on the shock plate?
What about worn cv axles and lower ball joints?? Can that also cause inner tire wear? Thats what my shop told me whats wrong with my avalanche
Lower ball joints, yes, CV axle, no...
@@GarageMahalLife thats what i thought. Thanks for replying
@@GarageMahalLife so mine has new ball joints new front lower and uper control arms what do you think could be
What is the estimated repair cost?
Probably a lot in labor and parts.
Depends on a lot of factors, parts and vehicle. Do you know specifically what is wrong on your car and what car model? I can give you an online estimate
So if you can't measure any of the components you should just replace everything?
In most cases yes. They are all wear items.
Why would my rear tire be leaning inward, almost ready to break off looks like. Explorer sporttrac
Either your rear shock and or spring broke, rear bearing is broken or the rear control arm is broke as well. One of those... either way dangerous situation, tow or have it repaired there. Do not drive, be safe!
Two questions: 1. What gauge are you using for the Camber, I can't find a magnetic one that measures vertical like that? 2. My inner tire wear (front driver side is shredded) is coming with grinding and sometimes acts like it's trying to catch (brakes were just changed a few weeks ago)..I have no problem checking all of these, but thought you could give me a possible "first thing" to look at :)
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And are your tires the right size? Sometimes custom rims and tires can be slightly beyond factory size and you can get a grinding on the inside of the wheel wells when you turn. Turn left and right all the way and make sure this is not happening. Also make sure your lower ball joint is tight and not loose. As well as lower and or upper control arms. If you hit a bad pot hole or bump, it can shift the control arms out of alignment pretty easy.
How do u know the car is level though
Put a level on the bottom car frame between the doors...
Do wheel alignment shops adjust the camber I went to a wheel alignment 5 months ago and getting inner tire wear.
They should, however if you had failing parts, they may or may not have looked that closely. The parts could have failed shortly after the alignment. However a good reputable shop would have given you the heads up prior to doing the alignment. And one good pot hole can wreck an alignment instantly.
Man I got 2018 vw jetta. Bought it brand new rotate every oil change. 30,000 miles both back tires inner wear loud noise. Replace all tires. Get new tires car pulls to the right. Take it back to vw they say ohh you just need an alignment. Align the car still pulling, probably worse than before and steering wheel is crooked. Get my tires rotated next service and then car pulls left. Get to 30000 again same thing now loud noise inner wear both back tires and pulling to the right. (Had them rotated again.) Wtf is going on, what should I do???
You have some serious issues that need to be looked at immediately. Sounds like you have some failed suspension components... either way a potential dangerous situation.
@@GarageMahalLife I agree something is off. It is still under warranty so I have been taking it to volkswagen. I'm starting to think I may need to seek help elsewhere??
What if left tire worn inside and right tire worn outside
Hard to say with out looking at it, but I would say it was a combination of things, mainly lower ball joints, control arms and possible alignment. Either way it needs so serious attention.
My front passenger tire is wearing on the inside on my 05 accord
Have you had any of your parts checked? Lower control arm, lower ball joint or strut?
@@GarageMahalLife I replaced my lower control arms and lower ball joints last year, struts look good as well the car doesn't bounce or anything
@@Scatpack23 Some cars will have a camber adjustment, that could be the issue. But replacement parts can fail too...
Mine is wearing on the inside too but very wavy when I move my hands on them. So very loud for noise. The shocks work fine but perhaps like you said they got hit/bent (used car so idk) so could it be combo of rear upper control arms being bad and shocks being out of line?
Could be all the above, if there are a lot of miles, the shocks and struts could be worn, upper and lower control arms could also be worn, they all have bushings that wear over time and need to be replaced.
I can agree that replacing a bunch of old parts with new parts can fix things. How do you forget to mention alignment. The shock had nothing to do with the angle of the tire since it had upper and lower control arms. This is why I do my own work on my cars.
Alignment, sure, but the shock, strut when they wear, they get a lot of play, if you only have a lower control arm, that plays a major, MAJOR factor...
@@GarageMahalLife I could totally agree with that statement.. problem is the shock was attached only at the bottom A arm. There was a Ball Joint at the top that was being pointed out, which means upper A arm as well. Which in turn means that the shock had nothing to do with the angle of the tire.
I'm having this problem on my Cadillac SRX 2014 model someone told me it was the aliment tho.
I would first check to make sure the lower ball joints, control arms and struts are in good shape. If so then do an alignment and you should be good :)
What about inner tie rods? I switched out everything except inner and I still get burned out inside tire wear
Inner would not affect anything... did you switch out the lower control arms (lower ball) and struts too? And get an alignment?
@@GarageMahalLife yup. May do the rack bushings too
@@mikejamieson4252 That is also another wear spot that can affect tire wear... make sure you get a 4 wheel alignment too...
Hey Brian, I just got new summer tires since the old rear ones were worn-out on the edges. The shop suggested an alignment check but the alignment came out perfect. They also said that the wear could be from under inflation and driving habits.
We couldn't tell if the wear was on the inside or outside since the tires were in storage and not on the car. The car is a rwd car.
Is it possible that the outer edges get more wear from under inflation and driving habits?
Can an alignment came out okay if there is camber or toe?
Over and under inflation is a factor for sure. But hopefully most oil change places correct the tire pressure and or the DIY crowd as well. Typically I rarely see the under or over inflation, but very possible if drivers don't look or care about their cars too much. Alignments are also factors that a lot of people let go too long. At a min. You should get an Alignment every year...
what about excessive toe out
Any alignment issue will cause tire wear, excessive toe out would cause a situation called "scrubbing" and you would experience more of an overall tire wear and inner tire wear as well.
Tracking and balancing ??
Also possibilities
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Upper control arms need replacing on Hondas every 100,000 km 60 miles
That is for sure...
You sound like the mecanic that replaces parts till you find the problem. Amount to a massive bill!!!
Just give ideas of what is wrong... but they are all wear parts and usually should be replaced if you have uneven tire wear, but hey its your safety.
He is a great mchanic I found on All TH-cam
Thank you 😊
Rotating tires does not correct geometry problems, it just masks them.
Correct as in the video it can lessen wear on the tires, but as stated ultimately needs to be fixed, thanks for watching and commenting 😀
amazimg someone is even driving that car with tires taht bad
Yes, it was super unsafe, but we fixed it.
as a woman all I heard was "so this is going to cost you around $100,000 to fix....give or take
Well maybe for that rare Ferrari... seriously a few hundred to $1000 ish depending on what type of vehicle, Thank you for watching!
Good vid
Thank you!
Why would you want to rotate your tires if it was destroying your tire? I seriously doubt the alignment went bad because of not rotating your tires. Do not rotate your tires if your alignment is off.
In general, rotate your tires...
Control arm bushing looks shot to me
One of the many parts to fail and need replacing that will cause inner tire wear for sure.
Im being educated!
Thank you for watching!
CHA-CHING!!! CHA-CHING!!! 💰
You never mentioned worn out rubber bushes . . .
Kind of covered with the control arms... but Thank you for watching and mentioning 😊
Off a lot after you load the suspension
New yes, alignment needs to be done after replacing.
I couldn’t fix it, worked all day
What did you work on?
you cant measure the camber without putting the weight of the car on it
Correct, however the evidence is there without it being on the ground. This video was for demonstration purposes and not to show how to fix and or accurately measure the problem/issues. But hey thank you so much for watching and commenting 😀
Lol upper is at the bottom now 😂😂😂
Perspective
So you are telling the camber is eating tyres?
What about stance owners🥴?
Unless you keep a tire flat and square 90degrees, you will eat through the inner or outer sides of the tire quickly.
I don't pay for probably. I need to find the play
Every car and truck is different... swing on by and I'll have a look.
Still here...but that "head light" (pun intened) isn't the best for this... Informative and helpful but please work on your lighting situation if you do a lot of videos
Thanks Brent, let me see the lighting in your videos, appreciate the insight.
It's probably...It's probably...It's probably. Said the mechanic with enough work to leave you broke.
People want to drive cars till they are so broken, they become broke fixing them...
inner tie rods
Yup, those too can be a factor.
His voice sounds like Charlie Sheen
Love it!
Classic mechanic. Wants to replace everything as if money is no object.
It is a safety thing, any part of that area breaks, you lose control... be safe out there
Im aware of that but you dont replace the whole suspension every time a ball joint wears out.
@@tylerparker3024 Suggestions... however if the valley joint has worn out, the others will be close behind. But hey, mechanics will love to replace the ball joint, the control arm, then struts. And charging you labor each time. In the long run, it is better for your car, you, safety and your wallet to do it all at the same time. Remember car parts don't heal, they get worse...
All of those parts have different life expectancies. I dont go to mechanics i just do it myself so i dont have to worry about labor costs. But what gets me about mechanics always wanting to tell someone they NEED to replace everything at once is the fact that the majority of families in this country cant actually afford to do so all at once. Its easier for them to pay for labor more than one time than it is for them to drop all their money at once on things they didnt know that they didnt actually need.
Lol 1:41
Yup a knee slapper...
The fact that you reference the camber gauge with the suspension dangling tells me you’re not very good at what you do. You can’t check camber while the suspension is unloaded. No sh*t the camber is off by a 1/4 inch since the suspension is hanging down. Guess when they do alignment checks they let the vehicles tires hang down as well. Come on man!
Informative video, keeping it simple, guess you didn't see the car stands in the back ground 😉 that's okay, can only discuss and show what's in the frame of the video. But I'm glad you feel it is okay to bully when you don't have the whole picture or all the info. All good here to help and I see you are not. Well be safe and feel free to do something better to help people 😊
If you are trying to be informative you would have the jack stands under the control arms and compressing them so it’s ride height. I don’t know how many times you through that camber gauge on it but the times I saw it I didn’t see a jack stand at all underneath.
There is no bullying here. I’m an realist and I’m hoping people who watch your video don’t start throwing parts on their car when they mimic the 1/4 off of from being plumb.
It is common camber fault of honda car. Bad design of honda company. My another car will not be honda car. All most all bushing will be defective less than 40000km. Big trouble.
Yes, be safe out there
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Too much toe out.
Yes, that is also a factor, thank you for watching and commenting 😀
@@GarageMahalLife My 1999 Toyota Corolla was set with too much toe out and both front tires wore like this.
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