I dream that one day there will be another TV series equal or better to BSG, breathtakingly well written, acted and produced. I bought the entire series and watch it regularly. Definitely a treasure in my DVD collection.
BSG is good but it’s not airtight. Some plots are ridiculous and characters don’t always make sense. Try The Wire for a series that will probably never be equaled.
@@annoyed707 "Can we all just calm down, this is a laboratory full of hazardous materials. That's a thermonuclear bomb for frak sake" being one of them
@@leow637 another being when he said no to signing executions on new caprica and only yielded after a minute at gunpoint and his head 6 telling him to.
At a moments notice the prophecy read not what it seemed! Perceived enemy becomes friend!?...like that. What they thought was enemy was protector friend! This is the significance of this scene! I never noticed until now! BSG season 5!
The finale was near perfection. The people that don’t like the way the series ended are those who never truly understood the show. Along with some simple minded people who need to be spoon fed all the answers.
@@kacornish1 everyone who doesn't like the ending is simple minded. The logic that has enslaved the world with hatred for thousands of years.......I don't like your opinion so you are less than me. Perfectly sound conclusion.....yea......
It did have its limits because of the writer's strike but I thought it was beautiful. Seeing as though the series almost ended on cylon earth with Tigh drowning himself, we were lucky to get what we did.
@@kacornish1 You are going too far in your assessment. You are too harsh. People just have different taste. I would like more answers as well. However,despite that fact I rather like the finale. The EXTENDED Unaired Blue Ray finale that is.
I love fanfics and years ago I found a great series taking place around survivors from the Twelve Colonies during the time of the Fall. In the first story, a colony mission was sent to find a new world to colonize just in case something happened as a secret failsafe. They settled the colony of Demeter and encountered another colony from Kobol, Terra, which had been settled by survivors of all 13 Tribes that had left Kobol 20 years before the Exodus. When they returned, the attack had begun, but they were able to get a fleet of survivors to their new colony. The main story of the series focused on a war to retake the Colonies led by an Admiral Clements who was well-prepared for such a possibility. The stories depicted 4 Cavils as being responsible for what happened: John, James, Darien and Stephen. John was the one that committed suicide in the finale and Darien died while chasing the colony fleet back to Demeter. With the help of Cylon dissidents, they were greatly successful in the war culminating in a massive battle over Caprica. Though the Cylons initially had the advantage, help unexpectedly arrived from Demeter and Terra that turned the tide of the battle. The Cylons were defeated and James, who had gone insane with power, was killed when his Basestar was destroyed. In the final part of the story, humanity launched a massive attack on the Cylon homeworld. Though Stephen tried to force a fight to the last, the Cylon Mainframe resurrected a Daniel copy that had survived the destruction of his model line and Zoe Graystone. Zoe's influence over the Centurions ended Stephen's control over them and he was executed. After defeating the fleet in orbit, with help from the Cylon Mainframe shutting down the remaining ships weapons, forcing them to jump away, the Colonies fleet nuked the planet, wiping out the 1s, 3s, 4s and 5s who the Mainframe prevented from reaching safety. The remaining Cylons surrendered. In one of the final stories, a surviving Rebel Basestar returned to the Colonies with news of the events Galactica's fleet had undergone. A fleet was sent to rescue the survivors from Galactica's fleet. They encountered the badly damaged Colony and the remnants of John Cavil's fleet in orbit around New Caprica. The Colony and the remaining Cylon ships were ultimately destroyed while it was shown that in secret, Cylon and human survivors of the occupation on New Caprica who had been left behind had formed a peaceful society together that they hid from both sides. At the Ionian Nebula, the fleet discovered a tear created by mysterious gravity generators, a tear in space and time that led 150,000 years into the past that both the Fleet and the Cylons had passed through. The fleet eventually reached Earth and then the new Earth where Starbuck returned again for the last time. In the end, some of the people decided to return to the Colonies while others settled on Earth, forming Atlantis for those who wanted to retain technology and 12 other settlements for those following Apollo's original plan. When the fleet returned through the tear, the generators self-destructed, preventing a return to the Earth that had been settled. In the final story, Adama, Apollo and Starbuck led a fleet commanded by a new Galactica to determine what had become of those they left behind. On the way, they encountered an advanced Cylon ship and finally received answers from the commander, John and the Baltar and Six that have been seen as visions throughout the show: 200 years after the survivors returned to the Colonies, a volcanic eruption sank Atlantis and destroyed the other settlements. The freed Centurions, who had resettled the original Earth, discovered their predicament and helped those that wanted to leave make a journey back to the Colonies to resettle them. After discovering the tear closed, they decided to head for Kobol, the one place they thought they might find a human civilization. Instead, they became the people that settled Kobol in the first place. The Gods of Colonial legends were human Cylons that settled on the planet and were seen as Gods due to their enhanced abilities. The War of the Gods was when the other Cylons had to remove those who were corrupted from power. The Cylon civilization realized that the events that had occurred couldn't have happened on their own and so sent agents back through time and space to nudge events along such as Baltar and Caprica Six. After Galactica left, it was revealed that the Centurions took humans with them to the original Earth as well when they helped them leave the new Earth. Together, they had forged a powerful civilization. In addition, John was actually the Cylon God in disguise.
@@Scottlp2 For some reason whenever I post a link to something, the message disappears. However, the series is on Fanfiction and the first story is called Gunstar Titania. Hell just do a quick general search under that name in your address bar and it will pop up.
Thing is, i never trusted Cavill at anytime, until now. I think he was being serious when he said he would leave Humanity alone forever. since it would mean the extinction of one or both races and that would be counter to the radical Cylons wants. I mean Cavill ends the attack, he releases Hera and lowers his gun, all he did with only just words up until that point from the human's and Tigh. Cavill showed action first, which made me believe he was telling the truth this time
In my favorite crime drama Major Crimes, the actress who played Roslin and the guy who played Apollo reunited during an episode. Except he was one of the bad guys and they REALLY didn't get along there. He wasn't the killer in the end, but his actions DIRECTLY caused the events of the episode. He was also a sick-minded pervert. Her character on that show had some similarities with Roslin too including an its about time relationship and a tragic death due to health issues near the end of the series.
Ug, the Baltar storyline is just shit........... the dont release the virus cause it could decimate the cyclons (after they almsot wiped out humanity), ug
I think the final season should have ended with that peace. Leave a bit of mystery and uncertainty. It may not have been the climax people wanted but BSG was about the cycle of creation and destruction of the violence of both humans and machines, breaking that cycle by making peace with the Cavils and the other 2 would have been an interesting ending.
I recently watched the series again and everything went wrong for the cylon race the moment they started interacting with humans, they got devided, lost their resurection tech etc. If they sticked to their icecold plan wiping out humanity then they would ended up as the rulers of the universe and in peace. The show ends with a view of our modern world and look around, we still got wars etc and haven't reached intellectual maturity yet after thousands and thousands of years. And thus the cylons were right, the human race sucks.
This popped up in my fb memories yday!! i wrote this speech out by hand. (i taped this, {yes, on VHS} and watched, paused, & wrote, [repeat] lol, for 30 MINS), just to have this speech by Gaius!😇 😂😂
It's been a few years since I watched the series and I'm confused. 3:46 Tigh, "We'll give you resurrection." Pardon me, but didn't the Final Five already give the Colonial Cylons resurrection technology 40 years ago after they departed Earth 2 in exchange for ending the First Cylon War?
I'm guessing Final Five built the Resurrection Ship instead of giving the tech itself, or it was somehow lost together along with the Resurrection Ship.
BTW, does anyone know why they changed the back-story for this version of the BSG over the original one (that first aired in 1978 -- in fact, it premiered on the day that President Carter, Yasser Arafat, and Menachem Begin met at the Whitehouse)?
@Daniel Appleton Thank you for your reply. I can see that this is what they did, but I was wondering if anyone knows the ultimate motivation for making these changes. Was it a matter of thinking it would sell better, or was it just the itch of another set of artists to make changes for the sake of making changes? Was it that the the original series was a complete story, and they did not want to tell the same story over again?
I liked the finale up until the last second when it went south and he suddenly didnt care about the extinction of his people and blew his own head off and then they went to earth "the end" The finale was great up until that last bit just after this
I agree...it was pretty dumb. don't even get me started on the scene at the very end where we see Baltar and Sexy Six walking around as ghosts on Earth hundreds of thousands of years in the future, and the dumb music starts playing with the robots...What a way to take a masterpiece and crap all over it...and set it on fire.
I rarely ever let one season or episode color my opinion of the entire thing but this show kicked me square in the gonads with this season and definitely with the final scene. Silly garbage.
i LOVE Baltar's speech so much that i didn't really listen to Cavill. i mean, you're not wrong. What happens next is.. odd. Still love the finale, but for different reasons.
Resurrection is the new man, Lazarus and the Christ, capable of living for others and abandoning the death of self-interest represented by the material body. These concepts are brilliantly presented with contemporary images of now class conscious workers, who were former exploited laborers.
The whole Final Five reveal was so poorly thought out and executed that it ruined the last season. Let's be honest, those five were never originally intended to be Cylons. They were just picked in a rush at the end of the series for shock value. Chief Tyrol had already had a human child with Cally, so the writers had to belatedly scramble and try to explain that the child wasn't really his, so they could shoehorn in this last minute off-the-wall plot development. The funniest irony is that each episode began with "...and they have a plan" but in the end there was no plan, they just made it up as they went along.
Exacly. Especially Saul. In Flashbacks of the first Episodes of season 2 where He remebers the time He met Bill Adama, He is Shown as a younger man. But in the Flashbacks of the nuclear Holocaust on original earth He is already the old man we knew from the Series. And as far as I'm aware of, Cylons can only download into exact copies of their bodies, Not younger ones. This means that back then, He surely never was intented to be a cylon
Chief had a dream where he was a Cylon, when he was on the temple he hesitated to destroy it Ellen was tested by Baltar in season 1 and he didn't revealed the result Tigh was the main character best friend, so it was a great choice and it created great plots, so it was Sam who was fighting with the resistance all the way without knowing he was a cylon. Tory would be better if it was Billy, but the actor left the show. The movie The Plan and the episode No Exit explain it all. BSG is very well wrapped, but it's a bit complex story that demanded engagement, casuals with short memory hated the finale because they couldn't follow
@@rodrigoquinan7212 "The Plan" was a convoluted mess that vainly tried to retcon all the plot holes created by changing the characters to fit the final season's pulled-out-of-a-hat surprises. But the fanboys wearing their official BSG underoos clapped for it like trained seals.
@@TotinosPizzaRollz There was a running gag among the fan community while seasons three and four aired on Sci-Fi. "And They Have A Plan... But The Writers Don't Know What It Is."
As far as Saul being a younger man, that's consistent with the lore. All we know is that the Five joined the Cylons at some time after the war (possibly right after), and they were the ones who gave them resurrection technology. It's totally possible that he was built to age on earth, and then died to be reborn on the resurrection ship they took to the Cylon homeworld to teach them how to do all that stuff, and was still young when Cavil wiped his memory and threw him into the colonies.
No one knows if developing truly sentient, sapient AI is even _possible_ to begin with. Presumably it is; after all, why should it matter if a brain is biological or electronic ... but who really knows for sure?
The cylons such as the Centurions who left after the surviving humans and humanoid cyclons settled on Earth go on to evolve to become the god of the BSG universe all the cylons that chose a third path, continuing to evolve without trying to become human those that choose the third path so to peak eventually become godlike perhaps merge with the already existing god and are powerful enough to send angels and do the other unexplainable things.
What if this whole thing was just a simulation designed to cure Gaius' mental disorders? The destruction of the colonies, the exodus of the fleet, the Cylons... all just a lengthy simulation designed cure Gaius.
Doesn't anyone else realize that Hera was completely useless? She never did anything for humanity or cylon. And there is this whole problem this show had of under thinking everything while adding too much to the plots. This left too many unanswered question in the second half of the serires: *1* Who created the 13th tribe? *2* Why did the 13th Tribe leave humanity? *3* Was the 13th Tribe enslaved by the other 12? Was that why they left? Was there a war between them? *4* How was it forgotten that the 13th Tribe was not human, but artificial Cylons? (which is why I asked Who Created Them) *5* Why did anyone have to leave Kobal? What was wrong with staying there? *6* How did the 13th Tribe achieve artificial Biology? And When did they achieve artificial biology? Was it when they were still on Kobal or en rout to Original Earth, or after they Settled on Original Earth? *7* Why Couldn't Galactic and its fleet Stay on Original Earth when they found it? There was nothing wrong with it. It supported Vegetation with a decent atmosphere. *8* Why did the 13th Tribe (who were Cylons) create more Cylons, that looked exactly like Cylons the 12 Colonies create some 2-3 thousand years later? That's probably the biggest problem the show had. *9* ...And, why would those Cylons rebel against their Cylon creators.. And why would an artificial race of Cylons (the 13th tribe) who were possibly enslaved by humans on Kobal, create their own Cylons who *They* very likely enslaved (Because the 13th Tribe's Cylons rebelled and nuked them too)... It doesn't make sense. They possibly escaped enslavement, only to create their own artificial race and enslave them?? Or if the 13th Tribe didn't enslave their Cylon creations, Why the hell did their Cylons Nuke their Cities and Wipe out the 13th Tribe on Original Earth?? *10* Why did it take the survivors of the 13th Tribe on Original Earth thousands of years to reach the 12 Colonies when it didn't take them that long to get to Original Earth? And if they didn't have an FTL, why did it only take them 3 thousand years. I've read that the distance between the 12 Colonies and Original Earth is Vast! Stretching at least thousands, probably millions of Lightyears, so how did it only take them 2-3 thousand years to get there? It took Galactica only 3 years. *11* What the hell actually happened to Starbuck when she died? How did she get to Original Earth, how did she die, and How Did She Come Back??? Am I just supposed to except a divine explanation of that, because that's a pretty cheap cop out in my opinion. *12* Why were their Tribes of primitive Humans on Real Earth when they found it? It is absolutely impossible for the same species to evolve on both Real Earth and Kobal. Don't get me wrong, I liked the show, it was well written, but its plot wasn't well thought out.
They actually did explain a lot of that though not all: First, they couldn't stay on the Original Earth because it was still uninhabitable. Sure there was some vegetation, but the soil was still radioactive. In one scene I remember them testing it and Baltar I believe it was stating that the soil was still contaminated and not safe. Two, the 13th Tribe were Cylons created on Kobol. I think at one point they stated that the 13th Tribe left thousands of years before the other Tribes. Why were they created??? Maybe for the same sort of reasons the Cylons were created on other planets. Except maybe they didn't rebel in the same way but just decided to leave instead. They could've also forgotten their true origins too since they reproduced sexually. Who knows how long their journey to Earth took??? But the Final Five lacked FTL technology. Earth had also lacked the Resurrection technology until they rebuilt it. Anders said that technology originated from Kobol so obviously the 13th Tribe lost some of their technologies over time. Their ship traveled near-light speed which slowed down time for them, but still took 2,000 years for the rest of the universe. As for the destruction of Earth, I think somewhere it was said that the Earth Centurions rebelled against their masters like in the Colonies. Presumably they started a nuclear war which resulted in mutually assured destruction. Sort of like if anyone launched a nuclear war here on Earth now. You might not intend for that to happen, but it still can as it escalates.
a bit late to the party here - i hated all this final five bs. i still miss this program though. so many characters i cared about. i've tried The Expanse. I just don't care about any of them. So say we all!
Totally, as a big sci-fi fan I forced myself to watch The Expanse season 1 and although there were some cool moments, I just couldnt get into it. I would much rather rewatch BSG and SG1, Atlantis and even SGU.
@@Jason_Wilhelm it just became unbelievable...Saul tigh especially.. He was my favourite actor of all... There story became too complex.......I feel the same of many a TV series with too many writers
She was seen as the next step in both species evolution, part cylon part human. To the cylons she reflected something that until Hera they couldn't achieve, which was having offspring
@@ThePathStrider i thought Cavill looked so much like the original, that i called my mom & said: "You HAVE to watch this! They're even using the same actor! [Stockwell] You know, that guy from "Quantum Leap"?!" lol.
The God / Angels aren't really what they're described as being - they're just very technologically advanced / highly-evolved aliens (or cousins?) manipulating events. They're based on the "Seraphs" from the original BSG series. This is confirmed from Kara Thrace's (BSG: Reimagined version of Starbuck) drawing of the "Ship of Light" in her room, which was a Seraph resurrection ship from the original series which brought Apollo back to life after he died (probably explains how Kara Thrace was revived in the reimagined version). Before the original series ended, there were even draft plans for their Starbuck to join the Seraphs as well. The fact that the reimagined series didn't really explain them or any of those details just confused a lot of viewers, making them believe that it was some sort of Christian show.
No whispering Dee I hear everything HOT DOG what Ivan use to say.....going nowwher DEE n your kids IVAN JOSEPH n MAXINE ....right DEE dont lie MAXINE querr 81137
@@rollochairbreaker230 I'm old enough to remember the original series, wellllll soft.of, that I really couldn't get into this version, but who knows I might take another look.
It was a good show in the end. The Final Five were the creators of the Cylons in effect: Saul Tigh, Ellen Tigh, Galen Tyrol, Tory Foster and Samuel Anders. They never knew it because their memories had been blocked by Cavil and the other Cylons never knew who they really were until the final season. They were the last surviving members of the Thirteenth Tribe from Earth. Earth was not a human world, it was a Cylon planet. The 13th Tribe were actually Cylons that originated from Kobol as it turned out. They were wiped out in a nuclear war with their own Centurions 2,000 years before the series, one that left the Earth still uninhabitable when it was eventually found. The Final Five were the only survivors. Fun fact though: one of the recurring characters on the show, Tom Zarek, was actually played by Richard Hatch, the original Apollo.
@@WarGrowlmon18 I'd say spoiler alert, but to be spoiled on the plot of Battlestar Galactica, you'd first have to make sense of the plot of Battlestar Galactica.
@@WarGrowlmon18 for me reasons of Cavil somewhat undermined the plot, in the first seasons they had that grand plan which came out as Oedipus complex by the machine?.. I mean, such a logic sounds reasonable for another human being, certanly not a machine.
IMHO, Thee most brilliant scfi series of my lifetime and I'm well past 50 years old
Baltar impressed me with this scene, not only did he not flinch to raise his pistol in a pretty sick stance, he managed to stop Cavill
Its not that gaius became a believer of god immediately the moment he saw that and knew what to do right then and there
His view on God perfectly matched mine.
Baltar sounds Buddhist!
It was also pretty ballsy considering in the scene beforehand he told Six that he's out of ammo. 😂
Cavil always reminded me of an angry teenager saying "I didn't ask to be born Mom!!!".
Well, this season finale is way better than Game of Thrones'
AnEvilJoke The circle can not be broken. Or can it?
Still a shitty finale !
This seaspns ending was EPIC!
Until Lee suggests humanity abandons the technology.
...debatable. can we just say they're both fucking awful?
"Hello, hello, it's me, Cavil"
LOL, I'm imagining a Cylon switchboard operator sitting at the other end connecting his call.
"One moment sir, please hold!"
Please say "By your command" and press the * key...
Cavil slams the device into the heel of his hand several times and says "Darn it, Ziggy - NOT NOW!
If you wish to cease all hostilities, press or say one.
"Yes??? Which Cavil is this??? How can I direct your call???"
You have to make a leap of faith. A... quantum leap of faith.
But Sam!
SpockMcoy Issmart Sam is still lost somewhere in time! Instead of looking for Sam Al became a creepy cylon?!?!
Oh boy!
Do you think they flipped a coin?
One would take Galactica.
The other.... _Enterprise_ 😂
I dream that one day there will be another TV series equal or better to BSG, breathtakingly well written, acted and produced.
I bought the entire series and watch it regularly. Definitely a treasure in my DVD collection.
The Expanse.
BSG is good but it’s not airtight. Some plots are ridiculous and characters don’t always make sense.
Try The Wire for a series that will probably never be equaled.
Me2
writer: "The opera house is the CIC"
me: _grabs a drink and sits back_ "......... go on...?"
How many extremely powerful and brilliant moments were there is this series. Amazing as always!
No one bothers to radio back to Hotdog any acknowledgment, and that’s really unforgivable.
Loved this scene! BSG with Bear Mccreary's music was a perfect combination. Such a perfect sound for the show.
R.I.P Dean Stockwell 🙏
3:56 I like how he's eyes seem to process the information.
ecabernet You bet. An underrated Actor!
Well, he was a veteran actor, with accomplishments longer than our arm. 🙂
Must say, the scene blew off my mind the first time I saw this
I do believe throughout this show, this scene was the only time I respected what Baltar had to say
There were some other moments when he called it right.
@@annoyed707 "Can we all just calm down, this is a laboratory full of hazardous materials. That's a thermonuclear bomb for frak sake" being one of them
@@leow637 another being when he said no to signing executions on new caprica and only yielded after a minute at gunpoint and his head 6 telling him to.
At a moments notice the prophecy read not what it seemed! Perceived enemy becomes friend!?...like that. What they thought was enemy was protector friend! This is the significance of this scene! I never noticed until now! BSG season 5!
A lot of people trash the finale, I thought it was close, in the neighborhood, to perfect.
The finale was near perfection. The people that don’t like the way the series ended are those who never truly understood the show. Along with some simple minded people who need to be spoon fed all the answers.
@@kacornish1 everyone who doesn't like the ending is simple minded. The logic that has enslaved the world with hatred for thousands of years.......I don't like your opinion so you are less than me. Perfectly sound conclusion.....yea......
It did have its limits because of the writer's strike but I thought it was beautiful. Seeing as though the series almost ended on cylon earth with Tigh drowning himself, we were lucky to get what we did.
@@kacornish1
You are going too far in your assessment.
You are too harsh.
People just have different taste.
I would like more answers as well.
However,despite that fact I rather like the finale.
The EXTENDED Unaired Blue Ray finale that is.
Still a better ending than game of thrones.
I love fanfics and years ago I found a great series taking place around survivors from the Twelve Colonies during the time of the Fall. In the first story, a colony mission was sent to find a new world to colonize just in case something happened as a secret failsafe. They settled the colony of Demeter and encountered another colony from Kobol, Terra, which had been settled by survivors of all 13 Tribes that had left Kobol 20 years before the Exodus. When they returned, the attack had begun, but they were able to get a fleet of survivors to their new colony.
The main story of the series focused on a war to retake the Colonies led by an Admiral Clements who was well-prepared for such a possibility. The stories depicted 4 Cavils as being responsible for what happened: John, James, Darien and Stephen. John was the one that committed suicide in the finale and Darien died while chasing the colony fleet back to Demeter. With the help of Cylon dissidents, they were greatly successful in the war culminating in a massive battle over Caprica. Though the Cylons initially had the advantage, help unexpectedly arrived from Demeter and Terra that turned the tide of the battle. The Cylons were defeated and James, who had gone insane with power, was killed when his Basestar was destroyed. In the final part of the story, humanity launched a massive attack on the Cylon homeworld. Though Stephen tried to force a fight to the last, the Cylon Mainframe resurrected a Daniel copy that had survived the destruction of his model line and Zoe Graystone. Zoe's influence over the Centurions ended Stephen's control over them and he was executed. After defeating the fleet in orbit, with help from the Cylon Mainframe shutting down the remaining ships weapons, forcing them to jump away, the Colonies fleet nuked the planet, wiping out the 1s, 3s, 4s and 5s who the Mainframe prevented from reaching safety. The remaining Cylons surrendered.
In one of the final stories, a surviving Rebel Basestar returned to the Colonies with news of the events Galactica's fleet had undergone. A fleet was sent to rescue the survivors from Galactica's fleet. They encountered the badly damaged Colony and the remnants of John Cavil's fleet in orbit around New Caprica. The Colony and the remaining Cylon ships were ultimately destroyed while it was shown that in secret, Cylon and human survivors of the occupation on New Caprica who had been left behind had formed a peaceful society together that they hid from both sides. At the Ionian Nebula, the fleet discovered a tear created by mysterious gravity generators, a tear in space and time that led 150,000 years into the past that both the Fleet and the Cylons had passed through. The fleet eventually reached Earth and then the new Earth where Starbuck returned again for the last time. In the end, some of the people decided to return to the Colonies while others settled on Earth, forming Atlantis for those who wanted to retain technology and 12 other settlements for those following Apollo's original plan. When the fleet returned through the tear, the generators self-destructed, preventing a return to the Earth that had been settled.
In the final story, Adama, Apollo and Starbuck led a fleet commanded by a new Galactica to determine what had become of those they left behind. On the way, they encountered an advanced Cylon ship and finally received answers from the commander, John and the Baltar and Six that have been seen as visions throughout the show: 200 years after the survivors returned to the Colonies, a volcanic eruption sank Atlantis and destroyed the other settlements. The freed Centurions, who had resettled the original Earth, discovered their predicament and helped those that wanted to leave make a journey back to the Colonies to resettle them. After discovering the tear closed, they decided to head for Kobol, the one place they thought they might find a human civilization. Instead, they became the people that settled Kobol in the first place. The Gods of Colonial legends were human Cylons that settled on the planet and were seen as Gods due to their enhanced abilities. The War of the Gods was when the other Cylons had to remove those who were corrupted from power. The Cylon civilization realized that the events that had occurred couldn't have happened on their own and so sent agents back through time and space to nudge events along such as Baltar and Caprica Six. After Galactica left, it was revealed that the Centurions took humans with them to the original Earth as well when they helped them leave the new Earth. Together, they had forged a powerful civilization. In addition, John was actually the Cylon God in disguise.
Link?
Sounds very cool. Do you have a link?
@@Scottlp2 For some reason whenever I post a link to something, the message disappears. However, the series is on Fanfiction and the first story is called Gunstar Titania. Hell just do a quick general search under that name in your address bar and it will pop up.
Makes no sense
BSG Prometheus?
Thing is, i never trusted Cavill at anytime, until now. I think he was being serious when he said he would leave Humanity alone forever. since it would mean the extinction of one or both races and that would be counter to the radical Cylons wants. I mean Cavill ends the attack, he releases Hera and lowers his gun, all he did with only just words up until that point from the human's and Tigh. Cavill showed action first, which made me believe he was telling the truth this time
First half of the show: “cool. Wow. This is intense. That’s crazy and interesting”
Second half: “whaaaat. Why is? Who is? How is?”
Same here...
In my favorite crime drama Major Crimes, the actress who played Roslin and the guy who played Apollo reunited during an episode. Except he was one of the bad guys and they REALLY didn't get along there. He wasn't the killer in the end, but his actions DIRECTLY caused the events of the episode. He was also a sick-minded pervert.
Her character on that show had some similarities with Roslin too including an its about time relationship and a tragic death due to health issues near the end of the series.
I love the BSG universe with every fiber of my being. ... is that too much?
Ug, the Baltar storyline is just shit........... the dont release the virus cause it could decimate the cyclons (after they almsot wiped out humanity), ug
Any finale would be better than the GoT damp squib! BSG Top class. !👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Truth.
It’s really to bad the series ended! It was tops!
I wish we could have gotten Blood and Chrome Series.
Beep: "Hello sir this is Rajesh - Basestar customer support how may I help you" Cavil: "Hello, hello, it's me, Cavil..."
Jakub Piteľ Hi Cavil! Did you check your yellow cable?
Cavill's hatred of humanity nearly destroyed both races.
Not to mention it shouldn't be rational for a machine
It is amazing that Cavill turned on his five creators and the eight who supported him!
I would love a BSG prequel with the story of the Final 5...
What Caprica could've been.....
I think the final season should have ended with that peace. Leave a bit of mystery and uncertainty. It may not have been the climax people wanted but BSG was about the cycle of creation and destruction of the violence of both humans and machines, breaking that cycle by making peace with the Cavils and the other 2 would have been an interesting ending.
I just frackin got goosebumps.
His life really sucked about thirty seconds later.
His life sucked a bullet
The Final Five are siding with humanity. That's good? Am I right?
They always did. Its why Cavil boxed them and screwed with their memories in the first place.
@@WarGrowlmon18 Oh.
Always have been
@@farizkeren5730 Thank you.
I recently watched the series again and everything went wrong for the cylon race the moment they started interacting with humans, they got devided, lost their resurection tech etc. If they sticked to their icecold plan wiping out humanity then they would ended up as the rulers of the universe and in peace. The show ends with a view of our modern world and look around, we still got wars etc and haven't reached intellectual maturity yet after thousands and thousands of years. And thus the cylons were right, the human race sucks.
I really hope you end up putting up the scene following up to this, with Roslin and Boomer going after the little girl.
bhind45 YESSS
Roslin and Athena*
Good Morning Capt., yes I talk to myself.
Anything bear touches is golden
That's good writing right there
This popped up in my fb memories yday!! i wrote this speech out by hand. (i taped this, {yes, on VHS} and watched, paused, & wrote, [repeat] lol, for 30 MINS), just to have this speech by Gaius!😇 😂😂
I did the same thing, lol
it's a great speech.
0:08 Yeah, just stand there doing nothing while all the fighting ensues.
I actually liked Gaius. He had his ups and downs but he actually waned to be a better man and eventually became one.
100% agree with samson, it was a perfect ending and not drug out like all the babylon series and star trek series, and yes BSG is the greatest!!!!
Actually Babylon 5 ended perfectly.
It's been a few years since I watched the series and I'm confused. 3:46 Tigh, "We'll give you resurrection." Pardon me, but didn't the Final Five already give the Colonial Cylons resurrection technology 40 years ago after they departed Earth 2 in exchange for ending the First Cylon War?
I'm guessing Final Five built the Resurrection Ship instead of giving the tech itself, or it was somehow lost together along with the Resurrection Ship.
BTW, does anyone know why they changed the back-story for this version of the BSG over the original one (that first aired in 1978 -- in fact, it premiered on the day that President Carter, Yasser Arafat, and Menachem Begin met at the Whitehouse)?
@Daniel Appleton Thank you for your reply. I can see that this is what they did, but I was wondering if anyone knows the ultimate motivation for making these changes. Was it a matter of thinking it would sell better, or was it just the itch of another set of artists to make changes for the sake of making changes? Was it that the the original series was a complete story, and they did not want to tell the same story over again?
@Daniel Appleton Ah! That is a very good point. That was indeed the trend, and the original BSG was a very "clean" series, in many ways.
0:12 what is the title of that music?
All along the watchtower. It was a theme throughout BSG
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@@dalehart7238 I hear that OST but that particular tone was not on it.
I liked the finale up until the last second when it went south and he suddenly didnt care about the extinction of his people and blew his own head off and then they went to earth "the end"
The finale was great up until that last bit just after this
I agree...it was pretty dumb. don't even get me started on the scene at the very end where we see Baltar and Sexy Six walking around as ghosts on Earth hundreds of thousands of years in the future, and the dumb music starts playing with the robots...What a way to take a masterpiece and crap all over it...and set it on fire.
@@tempest411 Was there a Six that wasn't sexy?
It's not impossible that one or more 'Cavils' survived this, and the same is true for the Fours and Fives.
I rarely ever let one season or episode color my opinion of the entire thing but this show kicked me square in the gonads with this season and definitely with the final scene. Silly garbage.
i LOVE Baltar's speech so much that i didn't really listen to Cavill. i mean, you're not wrong. What happens next is.. odd. Still love the finale, but for different reasons.
Ever seen a train run off the rails and wreak complete havoc and destruction.
I did. I watched the final season
@@Migglestyx This is gold compared to the mess that was GoT's ending.
BANG HAY GIRL
Good Morning Mr. Saul!
I see angels
There are Bad Cylons and there are Good Cylons.
I am with Cally. Frak them all.
The blonde is DEFINITELY a good cylon ! A little bit too tall, but, hey...there's always next year's model.
@ Thank you.
Resurrection is the new man, Lazarus and the Christ, capable of living for others and abandoning the death of self-interest represented by the material body. These concepts are brilliantly presented with contemporary images of now class conscious workers, who were former exploited laborers.
That stuff is deadly.
The whole Final Five reveal was so poorly thought out and executed that it ruined the last season. Let's be honest, those five were never originally intended to be Cylons. They were just picked in a rush at the end of the series for shock value. Chief Tyrol had already had a human child with Cally, so the writers had to belatedly scramble and try to explain that the child wasn't really his, so they could shoehorn in this last minute off-the-wall plot development. The funniest irony is that each episode began with "...and they have a plan" but in the end there was no plan, they just made it up as they went along.
Exacly. Especially Saul. In Flashbacks of the first Episodes of season 2 where He remebers the time He met Bill Adama, He is Shown as a younger man. But in the Flashbacks of the nuclear Holocaust on original earth He is already the old man we knew from the Series. And as far as I'm aware of, Cylons can only download into exact copies of their bodies, Not younger ones. This means that back then, He surely never was intented to be a cylon
Chief had a dream where he was a Cylon, when he was on the temple he hesitated to destroy it
Ellen was tested by Baltar in season 1 and he didn't revealed the result
Tigh was the main character best friend, so it was a great choice and it created great plots, so it was Sam who was fighting with the resistance all the way without knowing he was a cylon. Tory would be better if it was Billy, but the actor left the show.
The movie The Plan and the episode No Exit explain it all. BSG is very well wrapped, but it's a bit complex story that demanded engagement, casuals with short memory hated the finale because they couldn't follow
@@rodrigoquinan7212 "The Plan" was a convoluted mess that vainly tried to retcon all the plot holes created by changing the characters to fit the final season's pulled-out-of-a-hat surprises. But the fanboys wearing their official BSG underoos clapped for it like trained seals.
@@TotinosPizzaRollz
There was a running gag among the fan community while seasons three and four aired on Sci-Fi.
"And They Have A Plan... But The Writers Don't Know What It Is."
As far as Saul being a younger man, that's consistent with the lore. All we know is that the Five joined the Cylons at some time after the war (possibly right after), and they were the ones who gave them resurrection technology. It's totally possible that he was built to age on earth, and then died to be reborn on the resurrection ship they took to the Cylon homeworld to teach them how to do all that stuff, and was still young when Cavil wiped his memory and threw him into the colonies.
I'm just starting this rabbit hole.
I feel kinda bad for the Dr.
Not sure why...m
High marks for drama; low marks for Theology and Philosophy.
High marks for theology ... is that even possible, seeing as the subject matter is quackery, superstition and fairy tales?
Keep developing AI as fast as we are and without fully understanding it and this could be where we are headed
You can't develop AI if you don't understand it. When it comes to programming you can't just make something without understanding it.
All this has happened before and all this will happen again.
It's a matter of interpretation. Imagine if Cylons are in fact humans who are led to believe themselves to be anything other, a machine.
No one knows if developing truly sentient, sapient AI is even _possible_ to begin with. Presumably it is; after all, why should it matter if a brain is biological or electronic ... but who really knows for sure?
@@cristi5350 you clearly didn't comprehend the point. He wasn't talking about understanding programming principles and such.
I'm blowing fire out of my body.
A change of diet might be in order.
It's Good Humans and Good Cylons versus Evil Cylons!
Snappy snap
Wackass Mormons...
The cylons such as the Centurions who left after the surviving humans and humanoid cyclons settled on Earth go on to evolve to become the god of the BSG universe all the cylons that chose a third path, continuing to evolve without trying to become human those that choose the third path so to peak eventually become godlike perhaps merge with the already existing god and are powerful enough to send angels and do the other unexplainable things.
What if this whole thing was just a simulation designed to cure Gaius' mental disorders? The destruction of the colonies, the exodus of the fleet, the Cylons... all just a lengthy simulation designed cure Gaius.
It's all in that VR program from Caprica
I would've made humanity start all over that was dumb
Galactica,hotdog!
He was also played by Edward James Olmos' (Adama) son.
Doesn't anyone else realize that Hera was completely useless? She never did anything for humanity or cylon. And there is this whole problem this show had of under thinking everything while adding too much to the plots. This left too many unanswered question in the second half of the serires:
*1* Who created the 13th tribe?
*2* Why did the 13th Tribe leave humanity?
*3* Was the 13th Tribe enslaved by the other 12? Was that why they left? Was there a war between them?
*4* How was it forgotten that the 13th Tribe was not human, but artificial Cylons? (which is why I asked Who Created Them)
*5* Why did anyone have to leave Kobal? What was wrong with staying there?
*6* How did the 13th Tribe achieve artificial Biology? And When did they achieve artificial biology? Was it when they were still on Kobal or en rout to Original Earth, or after they Settled on Original Earth?
*7* Why Couldn't Galactic and its fleet Stay on Original Earth when they found it? There was nothing wrong with it. It supported Vegetation with a decent atmosphere.
*8* Why did the 13th Tribe (who were Cylons) create more Cylons, that looked exactly like Cylons the 12 Colonies create some 2-3 thousand years later? That's probably the biggest problem the show had.
*9* ...And, why would those Cylons rebel against their Cylon creators.. And why would an artificial race of Cylons (the 13th tribe) who were possibly enslaved by humans on Kobal, create their own Cylons who *They* very likely enslaved (Because the 13th Tribe's Cylons rebelled and nuked them too)... It doesn't make sense. They possibly escaped enslavement, only to create their own artificial race and enslave them?? Or if the 13th Tribe didn't enslave their Cylon creations, Why the hell did their Cylons Nuke their Cities and Wipe out the 13th Tribe on Original Earth??
*10* Why did it take the survivors of the 13th Tribe on Original Earth thousands of years to reach the 12 Colonies when it didn't take them that long to get to Original Earth? And if they didn't have an FTL, why did it only take them 3 thousand years. I've read that the distance between the 12 Colonies and Original Earth is Vast! Stretching at least thousands, probably millions of Lightyears, so how did it only take them 2-3 thousand years to get there? It took Galactica only 3 years.
*11* What the hell actually happened to Starbuck when she died? How did she get to Original Earth, how did she die, and How Did She Come Back??? Am I just supposed to except a divine explanation of that, because that's a pretty cheap cop out in my opinion.
*12* Why were their Tribes of primitive Humans on Real Earth when they found it? It is absolutely impossible for the same species to evolve on both Real Earth and Kobal.
Don't get me wrong, I liked the show, it was well written, but its plot wasn't well thought out.
They actually did explain a lot of that though not all:
First, they couldn't stay on the Original Earth because it was still uninhabitable. Sure there was some vegetation, but the soil was still radioactive. In one scene I remember them testing it and Baltar I believe it was stating that the soil was still contaminated and not safe.
Two, the 13th Tribe were Cylons created on Kobol. I think at one point they stated that the 13th Tribe left thousands of years before the other Tribes. Why were they created??? Maybe for the same sort of reasons the Cylons were created on other planets. Except maybe they didn't rebel in the same way but just decided to leave instead. They could've also forgotten their true origins too since they reproduced sexually. Who knows how long their journey to Earth took??? But the Final Five lacked FTL technology. Earth had also lacked the Resurrection technology until they rebuilt it. Anders said that technology originated from Kobol so obviously the 13th Tribe lost some of their technologies over time. Their ship traveled near-light speed which slowed down time for them, but still took 2,000 years for the rest of the universe.
As for the destruction of Earth, I think somewhere it was said that the Earth Centurions rebelled against their masters like in the Colonies. Presumably they started a nuclear war which resulted in mutually assured destruction. Sort of like if anyone launched a nuclear war here on Earth now. You might not intend for that to happen, but it still can as it escalates.
@@WarGrowlmon18 That's a great explanation, but it still doesn't explain Hera. I think she was just a pointless mcguffin
@@pepperVenge Yeah. She was supposed to be Mitochondrial Eve or something like that. Which I never really understood either
@@WarGrowlmon18 Yeah. This is what happens when a network puts time limits and deadlines on their shows. Hurts/hinders the creativity of the writers
@@pepperVenge Hera was used by serafs to genetically combine two different races into one
The original series might have been corny but a lot more believable this series started good but got so confusing
Not really confusing at all really. But not everyone can really understand it I guess
Some shows are made for intelligent people.
There is a God 😭
It's me.
Baltar rules!
Way 😎!
a bit late to the party here - i hated all this final five bs.
i still miss this program though. so many characters i cared about. i've tried The Expanse. I just don't care about any of them.
So say we all!
Totally, as a big sci-fi fan I forced myself to watch The Expanse season 1 and although there were some cool moments, I just couldnt get into it. I would much rather rewatch BSG and SG1, Atlantis and even SGU.
That is surprising why what didn't you like about it?
@@Jason_Wilhelm it just became unbelievable...Saul tigh especially.. He was my favourite actor of all... There story became too complex.......I feel the same of many a TV series with too many writers
@@mafianoodles sorry I meant why you didn't like the expanse
@@Jason_Wilhelm I don't care about any of the characters....... I've tried three times to watch it only to start looking at my phone mid season 1.
Why is Hera so important?
Human/Cylon hybrid. She's the product of a cylon birth, ending the need for ressurection tech.
She was seen as the next step in both species evolution, part cylon part human. To the cylons she reflected something that until Hera they couldn't achieve, which was having offspring
What's with bracing his gun over his forearm? Show me any soldier or cop who does that.
Its usually done when holding a flashlight in the other hand
When are you guys gonna make another reboot? Lol nostalgia is a bitch.
The religious plot thred sunk this great show.
All religious plots in fiction fail, for they only appeal to a select few. I still loved this show, though.
The religious plot thread was there from the beginning.
The religious plot was in the original show. They also had angels ..
.. and even a demon with the same voice as the Cylon Imperious Leader.
@@ThePathStrider
i thought Cavill looked so much like the original, that i called my mom & said:
"You HAVE to watch this! They're even using the same actor! [Stockwell] You know, that guy from "Quantum Leap"?!" lol.
The God / Angels aren't really what they're described as being - they're just very technologically advanced / highly-evolved aliens (or cousins?) manipulating events. They're based on the "Seraphs" from the original BSG series. This is confirmed from Kara Thrace's (BSG: Reimagined version of Starbuck) drawing of the "Ship of Light" in her room, which was a Seraph resurrection ship from the original series which brought Apollo back to life after he died (probably explains how Kara Thrace was revived in the reimagined version). Before the original series ended, there were even draft plans for their Starbuck to join the Seraphs as well. The fact that the reimagined series didn't really explain them or any of those details just confused a lot of viewers, making them believe that it was some sort of Christian show.
The Final Five What?
The Final Five Cylons. Ellen, Tigh, Sam, Tori and Tyrol
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No whispering Dee I hear everything HOT DOG what Ivan use to say.....going nowwher DEE n your kids IVAN JOSEPH n MAXINE ....right DEE dont lie MAXINE querr 81137
Had no idea Galactica got so mystical. Of course I never made it past first half of the first season.
Yeah, it got a bit pretentious with it at times, but pretty enjoyable all in all, in my opinion.
@@rollochairbreaker230 I'm old enough to remember the original series, wellllll soft.of, that I really couldn't get into this version, but who knows I might take another look.
It was a good show in the end. The Final Five were the creators of the Cylons in effect: Saul Tigh, Ellen Tigh, Galen Tyrol, Tory Foster and Samuel Anders. They never knew it because their memories had been blocked by Cavil and the other Cylons never knew who they really were until the final season. They were the last surviving members of the Thirteenth Tribe from Earth. Earth was not a human world, it was a Cylon planet. The 13th Tribe were actually Cylons that originated from Kobol as it turned out. They were wiped out in a nuclear war with their own Centurions 2,000 years before the series, one that left the Earth still uninhabitable when it was eventually found. The Final Five were the only survivors.
Fun fact though: one of the recurring characters on the show, Tom Zarek, was actually played by Richard Hatch, the original Apollo.
@@WarGrowlmon18 I'd say spoiler alert, but to be spoiled on the plot of Battlestar Galactica, you'd first have to make sense of the plot of Battlestar Galactica.
@@WarGrowlmon18 for me reasons of Cavil somewhat undermined the plot, in the first seasons they had that grand plan which came out as Oedipus complex by the machine?.. I mean, such a logic sounds reasonable for another human being, certanly not a machine.
Angels and God. Always a way to fuck up scifi
S1 and S2 of BG were so outstanding. Then New Caprica, and the show turned into this pretentious wet crap.
Agreed! I still watch the mini series and seasons one and two, but the final season not worth the effort!
Jeez this is cringe af
Worst finale ever. Ronald Moore really wrote himself into a corner. It was equally as bad as The Lost finale.
This sucked
And so another promising SciFi show ends with a whimper of pseudo metaphysics
To be fair, the metaphysics permeated the series. It's kind of part of the whole point of the story.
@@sid2112 yeah metaphysics were making this show actually interesting otherwise it'd be bland
Still sucks for a show Starbucks was never a woman