Zoom R16 Tutorial 5- Tips To Get The Final Mix Right
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I offer tips on how to get that final mix to your liking.
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Explaining why the mix loses that pop and clarity: 0:01
Working the pan: 1:30
Reverb: 2:57
EQ: 4:52
Basic Mix: 9:02
Tweaking The Mastering Effect: 10:04
Additional EQing: 15:02
Comparing 3 mixes: 17:25
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Even after three years you videos are still highly appreciated. Thanks for the spot on information. I owned a R16 for some years, just discovered ur video's, and a whole new world opened up for me. I also use reaper as a DAW and might you ever get a question how to use the R16 as the surface control for reaper (many owners have a problem getting it work) i found a solution: Go to preferences: > Control Surfaces and select the Universal Macky Control driver. Now the trick: Double click on the driver and a popup menu opens: There in the midi input and output select the Zoom R16 and there it is: The Zoom R16 works as a DAW Control unit in reaper. greetz Theo from Holland.....
Thanks for sharing that info.
Hey Steve, without question your tutorials on the zoom R16 are the best on the internet! And I really dig your songs man. Your guitar playing is really sweet and I really dig your voice man! Thank you so much for walking us through this wonderful portastudio that is very deep! Many of us couldn't get there without your help so thank you very much brother!
Thank you!!
Hey just wanted to let you know I started a new channel today with nothing but practice jam tracks on it. Thought you might be interested: th-cam.com/channels/Md80zVd8Vi7AbJntnVOMfw.htmlvideos
Killer tune
That edit on master sounded like it has more clarity. 👍
Thank you! Here's the music video for it: th-cam.com/video/4RACoyPbI6M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wl59f0vY076uX5nH
Great job as always Steve!!! You are a Godsend! Thank you for all your insight and knowledge. I would not have been able to produce the music I put out without your videos. I started watching your videos two months before I ever got an R 16, and I’m still learning this thing. It has enriched my creative process. Thanks again and keep up the good work. Your music is awesome, I can’t wait to hear your new track!
Much thanks John for all the positivity. Glad to hear all the videos have helped you and that you're producing music.
stevekonbass thanks for subscribing. That’s awesome.
Happy to throw a little suppport to your channel brother.
stevekonbass that’s great.
This video is exactly what I’ve been looking for. Thanks for posting!
Glad it was helpful!
thanks you are the only hands on I have found on hear just ordered one got to say my fave was the r16 master with efex
Hope you enjoy recording with it Tony.
I'll sometimes use the Duel Mic insert effects on the master and scroll through.
My stuff is generally 2 guitars/drums/no vocals, and some of the Duel Mic options are quite cool in how they separate and EQ the 3 instruments.
Strum+Vo, ClubDuo, Arp+Vo are among my favourites.
FolkDuo, GuitarDuo, Arp+Vo also sound sweet.
Thanks for making these videos ! They are great!
I'm not sure if this would interest you or not. I've been spending the last few months in lockdown working on a computer program which directly accesses the PRJDATA and EFXDATA files for an R16 project, and produces a readable (and printable) summary of all track Pan/EQ/Fader settings. It can also show you the settings for your currently selected Reverb, Chorus, and Insert effects. It will even produce a full listing of every effect in the library, including identifying those which have been edited and saved back. The program was written on a Mac, but in Java so it should run equally well on Mac, Windows, and Linux. I don't know if it's something other R16 users like yourself would be interested in. I have no intention of charging money for it - it will always be freeware.
Mandolinic interesting. This program is specific for the R16? What about the R24?
@@AFloodofSolaceJohnWhigham At the moment it's specific to the R16 (because that's the recorder I've got). I had to work out the data formats from scratch using a hex viewer program, and fortunately the R16 lays out the data in a very simple and consistent manner, making no attempt to encrypt or obfuscate the information. It's a classic example of a neat, simple design.
I think it's likely I could make an R24 version - but I'd have to beg, steal or borrow an R24 for a few weeks so that I could work out how the data is laid out in the files. The closer the R24 is to the R16 in terms of software, the easier it would be. But unless I can borrow an R24 for a few weeks there's no chance.
There is a tool out there where you can make all the settings on a poject and save it. You can find it here: www.audiolooper.de/zoom/home_english.shtml
@@thomasziegler2303 That looks likes like a very interesting project. So far, I've stepped back from editing the files on the Zoom. Do you know if this is will run on Macs? I see it's written in Delphi - which is a variant of Pascal. I did a lot of Pascal programming in the 1980s, but I've been out of the loop since then.
Edit: I downloaded the package and it's Windows only, so I can't run it on my laptop. My program won't edit the files (and I'm not sure that editing the files remotely is such a good idea anyway), but it will run on Windows, Macs and Linux (because Java is highly portable).
Hi, Mandolinic
I just started using the ZOOM R16 for recording and I saw your comment. Could you post a link where I can download your program. I would need to run it on Windows...
Thank you in advance
I dig your videos and information! 😎
Thank you! Please share them. Helps to keep the channel going.
Thank you very much for sharing
My pleasure.
thank you for this video
You're welcome Baris.
Your vids are always great matey. Could it be possible for you to make a vid on how to set up and mix with Cubase ?
Thanks. I'll give it some thought. Not sure if I even still have the program.
Thanks great info.
You're welcome.
Hey Steve, does the guitar effect have a noisegate? I love the gain tones. But a little noisy 👍 Great video
No. But you can make all sorts of adjustments like change the preamp, lower the gain, change the tone, choose a different cabinet, change the EQ, etc.
This dude is the King or rock - I dig it - I just wouldn't trust him around my girlfirend is all
This tutorial was super helpful - much better than anything I was going to learn from the dang owner's manual
LOL! Thanks brother.
Great video! Thanks for posting these tips and tutorials, they’re a big help! I just had a couple of questions about the reverb as well as the input source. I noticed the reverb setting “level” for each track can be changed but can each individual track have a different reverb setting applied to it if I’m recording both the guitar and vocals on separate tracks at the same time? Same with the input source. I’m not sure how to apply it to one track (vocals) and then apply a different source to another track (guitar) and then record at the same time. Or can that be applied after the fact? In other words how do you apply the insert effects after a dry recording was already done? I guess I have to really delve into the manual but figured I would ask in case you could help. Sorry for the wall of text haha
Yeah, you can adjust the reverb levels, but the reverb you choose is across the board. If you wanted to record lets say guitar dry, and add an insert effect afterwards, you'd add it to the "track" not the "input". Keep in mind if you record all your tracks "dry" and then add insert effects later, you're making more work for yourself, because you'll have to add the effect to the track, and then actually bounce that track with the insert effect on it to another track so the effect is "printed" to the track. I record all my tracks with the insert effects on, and then just add a mastering effect across the board at the end.
@@stevekonbass Ah okay I see. So essentially if I decided I liked a certain insert effect after the recording was already done the only way to apply that effect to the track specifically is to bounce that track/recording to another track like you said to get it to be “applied/printed”. I guess that answers my question! Thank you! But what if I wanted to have two different insert effects applied to two different tracks at the same time and record them simultaneously (in other words one insert effect applied to my vocals and then another on my guitar track at the same time)? Is that possible or can you only do one at a time?
Yes and no. For instance, you couldn't use the 5150 effect on guitar and the Hartke effect on bass and record them at the same time. But, if you look at the "dual mic" effects there might me something that you like where there's a acoustic guitar and vocal effect that you can use at the same time. So basically, there's an effect for your acoustic guitar and an effect for your vocal, and it's used at the same time. They can be adjusted.
@@stevekonbass Gotcha! I also just realized you had another video explaining a work around to using the bounce feature to apply insert effects to certain tracks even though it requires that extra step! I just had one last question and I guess it’s more of an opinion question. What’s your take on using stereo for recording? In other words do you recommend recording two separate monoaural tracks and then panning them left and right for a stereo effect, or just using that “stereo link” feature instead? Also is it worth bouncing two monoaural tracks into one stereo? I know it’s a matter of opinion and each recording is different based on the sound you’re looking for but I was just wondering if there’s much of a difference there? Sorry for all of the questions, I’m an amateur when it comes to using recorders like this and mixing stuff and I’ve always procrastinated recording because I’ve been a little overwhelmed with it and can’t seem to make up my mind when playing with all of the different settings!
No problem brother. I like answering questions if I can. Yeah, I have 5 videos in total on the Zoom. They might answer some questions for ya: th-cam.com/video/JuaXDv5GzwY/w-d-xo.html In regard to the stereo question, I think recording 2 mono tracks is better because it'll add that human element which to me makes it sound thicker. Especially if you change the effects on them. For instance, if you double a guitar track, pan them left and right, and use different amp simulators when you record the tracks, to me it sounds thicker when the song is finished. As long as the difference in the amp models aren't drastic and the effects aren't saturated it'll sound good. Too much effect and reverb can make it sound like mush. If you listen to this tune I did you can hear the guitar doubled which makes it thick: th-cam.com/video/4RACoyPbI6M/w-d-xo.html
Great music and video!! What do you think is it worth to get r24 over r16 in order to record at 48 hrz 24 bits?
44.1kHz or 48.1 kHz I don't think is gonna make that much of a difference. Truthfully I don't even know if I could pick out the difference. I'd be more concerned with comparing the features... tracks, drum machine, etc.
Oh this has been a constant frustration (not the 16 but the 802 several years ago and now the r8). On the one hand is the sheer fun of messing around with a couple guitars, bass, and I lately started to try learning drums (got a cheap electronic set). I could do it 24/7, never get tired of it. Oh but then... listening to the final result (how many cd-r's did I go through with the 802?!)... shit. Back to the drawing board. But I never ventured too deep into tweaking the mastering effects. Check out cutting some mids.
LOL! Me too! Taking the CD to the car stereo and trying it in different stereos.
@@stevekonbass Yep. Wondering if it is knowledge deficiency on my part or if it is the max capability of the zoom unit.
Hey that Maximize mastering effect went overlooked but it might just have some potential.
That's the one I usually go to. I also like the Rock and Tight mastering effects. I like the way the mix came on this one: th-cam.com/video/WAQYkeE2Yvk/w-d-xo.html
@@stevekonbass I just saw your reply and listened to your song. Wow. It's really good. And that's all done on the Zoom?
Yep, all done on the Zoom. Simple set up... bass, guitar, drum machine and vocals all plugged right into the Zoom. Here's another: th-cam.com/video/4RACoyPbI6M/w-d-xo.html
Thank you again. Loving the machine and your videos. Is there a way to put software drum samples on a zoom track from your computer? I noticed that you used a drum machine on your original video.
If you can turn the sample into a WAV, yes.
Hi Steve, a newbie here so here is my question. When doing final mastering on unit, you selected Master channel and pressed record, then you Pressed record and play on unit. To create the master track, do you have to play the entire song in this mode till the end of song and does this create a separate track for exporting in addition to the separate track channels? Thanks
Yes, you have to play/record the entire song to the end.
Great videos. I was wondering if there was an available foot pedal to pop in and out of recording
Thanks Andrew. No, there isn't a foot pedal to control punching in/out but there is a punch button for that. So, for instance, you can press the punch in/out button, set it to punch in at 1 minute into the song, and then set it to punch you out at 1 minute 10 seconds.
A little off subject . I cannot seem to locate in the menu how to change the depth of a effect like vocal dub. I can find everything else but that. Any help would be appreciated .
I believe you're talking about the insert effects. Click the insert effect button, use the arrows to find edit, use the arrows to scroll to what you want to adjust.
Very, very cool as usual. One question: Can I add an external reverb to the Zoom? If so, how? Thanks for another excellent post.
Thanks Glen. Yes, you can use an external reverb. For instance, if you wanted to use the Boss RV-6 on your guitar, you'd just plug into the pedal and then the Zoom. Or if you recorded a song on the Zoom and wanted to mix on an Audacity or Cubase or something like that, you can just use the reverb in those programs. The Zoom R16 does have a lot of tasty reverbs you can choose from and adjust.
Thanks Steve. Any advice on a condenser microphone for acoustic guitars?
Best thing I can tell you is just to compare them. Here's an article that compares 32 condenser mics for acoustic guitar with sound samples of each. I think the Audio Technica small diaphragm sound good. www.sweetwater.com/insync/choosing-the-best-microphone-for-acoustic-guitar-32-mic-shootout/
@@stevekonbass Thanks again!
You have been great answering questions . Thx again.New Question. Our guitarist wants to get a reverse Delay/Echo effect.In the manual on pg 81 it shows reverse delay. Is there a way to access that? also there are empty "effects"files, is there a way to download plugins from the computer or what are they for?
For the reverse delay assuming your guitar player is using one of the Zoom R16 insert guitar amp emulators: hit the insert effect button (make sure you're in the guitar insert section), hit the down arrow button, hit the right arrow button until you see EDIT, click the enter button, click the right arrow button until you see delay (depending on the emulator you're using it might say DELAY, or CHORUS/DELAY, or MOD/DELAY), then use the jog wheel until you see reverse delay. As far as the empty effects files, I haven't messed with that so I couldn't tell you.
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Hi. Did you record one after one drum part here, like first the kick then the snare ect? Do you mind me asking how you did that?
The drums were just a stereo track. So, I created the patterns on the MRT-3 first and then I glued the patterns together in the Song mode on the MRT-3. Then it was recorded to 2 tracks on the R16. The key is you have to have the levels of each drum and cymbal right when you create the patterns. I used the MRT-3 on these 2 songs. Listen to the touch and volume of each drum and cymbal: th-cam.com/video/WAQYkeE2Yvk/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/k3LaPT45Aio/w-d-xo.html
@@stevekonbass Ah that makes a lot of sense! Thank you once again. I’ll have a listen 😊
@@stevekonbass I get what you’re saying. Great tracks too. Inspiring.
If you want to just use the zoom to record a stereo mix, can you record right to master without the mix down phase?
No.
Buy a two track master recorder.
Anybody can tell me how to change the recording kbps up to 1441? nothing to see in the manual about that....
Hiya, Can the pre amps be bypassed? Thanks
I have a problem, my mic volume is always very low, i us sm58 beta microphones, and most of my track is good, but my mic isnt loud enough to hear
You'll just have to do a bunch of checks right down the line. Make sure your gain is high enough when you're recording, make sure the EQ isn't turned way down, make sure the fader is up. If you still have a problem try recording in another input.
Use XLR.
Hi sir, may I know if it's possible to add backing track to my zoom r16 directly without using my conputwr or daw. Is that possible? Thankyou
There's always a way Ejay. Easy way is to drag it on to the SD card via laptop. Other way is to actually record it, like if you had the background track on a CD.
What drum machine did you use on This ??
I used the Zoom MRT-3. Great drum machine. Here's a video I did on it:
th-cam.com/video/e9J6FMFJjVU/w-d-xo.html and here's a few tracks I used it on if you'd like to hear it:
th-cam.com/video/IjBWKSZ-mf8/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/4RACoyPbI6M/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/QFSuFXeuZ-E/w-d-xo.html
@@stevekonbass cool 👍 is it still the machine you use today ??
Hey sorry for the late reply, but your comment just came through today on 2/10/22. Yes, I still use the Zoom MRT-3
Hey Steve, is it possible to import files from ezdrummer to the R16 without a daw? I noticed that you kept popping the SD card in and out of the computer but can it be done via USB cable?
I never used ezdrummer, but if they are WAV files it should work. And yes, you can use a USB cable to connect to the Zoom and transfer files.
@@stevekonbass but What? is there an advantage to swapping the SD card? (I'm a 75 year old novice and believe me, it's hard to learn at this age)... BTW: Thank you for your your tutorials, they are Hands down the best out there and very through... ) Kenny B
Hey Kenny- When you're done recording your song, you most likely would want to make a CD, or email the song to people, or put it on an mp3 player so you can listen to it, etc. To do that you'd use a USB connection to your computer, or just pop out the SD card and put it in your computer. In a nutshell, you're just transfering your finished song from the SD card to your computer. In other instances, people may have background tracks on their computer that they want to transfer to the Zoom so they can use them on a recording. So, when we talk about using a USB connection or putting the SD card in your computer, that's what we're talking about. Just moving one thing to another. You can do it brother. I've played with 75 year olds who are still rocking the stage. If you didn't see my first video on the Zoom R16 check that one out, it explains a lot: th-cam.com/video/n_44S76OPYQ/w-d-xo.html
Steve, why are some sounds marked “empty” in the effects bank ?
That's if you want to save your own edited effect (patch).
Txs a lot Steve, does that mean you can make your own "sound effect" mix in one of those slots? like for example, mixing " distortion # 3 and #18" from the effect bank and mix them in one of those "empty" slots? ,if Yes, how can it be done?
Let's say you're in the 5150 distortion, you can go in and edit it... change the amp, change the effects, etc. and then you save it to one of the empty spots. Go into any guitar effect that you like and tweak it as much as you want and then just save it. Experiment a little with it. Endless possibilities there.
Great stuff Steve, I could do it. It’s buzzing,,,, thanks ever so much to answer questions and all that. You should be given a gold medal or summat.
Gold medal?... I'll take it, lol.
Hi Steve, I have active monitor speakers at home with input impedance of 10kohms.... would they be ok to use with a zoom r16?
Yes.
Brilliant ... Thanks Steve
Yeah Stephen the R16 has 1/4" left/right outputs. I touched on monitors and headphones in this video: th-cam.com/video/BhAyniG_nlI/w-d-xo.html
I'm using M Audio AV40.
@@stevekonbass thanks once again.. just one last thing, do I need to master my recordings before removing the sd card to put into my laptop to use with audacity? Thanks in advance, you really opened up up the R16 for me. Enjoying recording once again !!!
Good to hear you are diggin' the recording process. To answer your question, you can do it however it works best for you. You can mix and master the whole song just on the R16, you can transfer the tracks recorded on the Zoom and mix and master on a program like audacity or whatever DAW you like, or you can mix down on the R16 and master on something else. It's all up to you and whatever gives you the best results.
I'm old school, dinosaur Analog Man! I don't want to have to learn how to work within a DAW if you know what I mean.
I hear ya. I like simple myself. The Zoom really is simple once you get the hang of it. Basically ya turn it on, plug your guitar in, and hit record. I'm not into mouse clicking so this is what I use.