£1,000 Fake Rolex vs £1,000 Real Swiss Watch | Watchfinder & Co.
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- It’s not a secret anymore that fake watches are getting harder and harder to spot. But let’s face it, the vast majority of fake watches aren’t being bought by people about to receive a nasty surprise-they’re actively purchased by those looking to get an expensive watch on their wrist for way less than they’d be charged at the boutique. Question is, is it worth it?
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I never thought it could be done, but you've convinced me: I've changed my mind about buying a toaster to celebrate the birth of my first-born son.
hahahahaha
Hahahahahahahaha
@Chuck Gladfelter my father bought his wife (my mom) a pencil sharpener for their 20th anniversary. 🤔
A toaster is a technological marvel that opens up a world of toast. When it comes to luxury toasters, however, especially at the very highest end, there's a lot more emotion at play. It's about meaning, sentiment. It's as much about what the toaster stands for as it is about the toaster itself. A toaster is a connection to our fathers; a commemoration of a significant event; a celebration of achievement. It's also, and remember there's no right or wrong, a badge of honour, a mark of status, a social ranking. A toaster reflects who we are and what we've achieved. A watch, on the other hand, is just a tool for telling the time.
@@insane_troll that significant event would be Breakfast.
I feel emotionally connected to my toaster. I got it in divorce.
SmashEX Entertainment at least you got something
That's gotta be one Damn fine toaster to you. It must be worth about half plus lawyers fees to you.
Lucky!!
You fought over the toaster in the divorce?
Hahaha. Thanks for the laugh!
I love Rolex but the idea of walking into an AD and having a glorified salesman tell me that I don’t deserve a watch I’m willing to pay $10,000 for is not my bag of tea. Oh and then having to go through the gray marker and pay 20 or 30 percent more for the same watch without any manufacturer’s warranty? No, thank you but I pass. I’d rather spend that much in an Omega or a Tag or both. You lost me Rolex, I know you don’t care but you lost me.
Tag Autavia Bronze is a beautiful watch, Oris Bronze Anniversary Edition and any Omega would do. Rolex is for the watch buyer with fresh money.
Waited 5 months for a submariner with my local AD. The difficulty obtaining them makes them more desirable like most things in life. If u really want a Rolex then you can get one eventually, especially now when apparently the AD’s are opening the safes to bring in some desperately needed income.
You should visit my AD, they don't care who they sell the watches too. Seen many a chav being sold any type of Rolex, as long as you have the cash.
@@shino8854 thanks for the tip but the Rolex ship has sailed and is gone for good, I used to have a GMT Master II (Sophia Loren) my dad gave me as a gift on my 12th birthday but it was stolen from me at gun point a while ago, nowadays I have an Aquaracer Cal 5, a Red Bull quartz TH Formula 1 and an oooooold speedy from 1975 (also belonged to my dad) Rolex acn keep their watches I'm no longer hunting the white whale 🐳 😎
How much does it cost Rolex to actually make a £10k watch if just an Omega Nato strap alone costs £130?
What was this? A philosophy lecture while holding two watches? The second half of the video should have been the first half.
Chintan Pandya 😂😂😂 this is a lit video tho.
Sometimes he just goes off on a tangent. You just gotta accept he's overdramatic at times lop
Agreed.
I rarely look at my watch to check the time, but I always look at my watch to marvel at how nice it looks on my wrist.
I would be more happy emotionally buying
a fake Rolex GMT then paying double the retail price
I get pretty emotional about toast. Especially if there’s cheese. Which of course there always is.
I don't think he's talking about toast here, it's toasters & that's a bit different, I mean you can make cheese on toast in one but would you?
Not if you're French!
He means,toast if it's got marmite
I read this in that guys voice, especially the "which of course there always is"
Allow good in the description of what it means to get an expensive watch to getting a replica or fake but he spends 85% of the time banging on about feelings instead of comparing the two. Review the two and give the pluses and come of each specimen.
Never heard somebody talk so much without saying a damn thing
Couldn't agree more. Honestly it's just verbal fluff that's designed to generate an atmosphere of sophistication and class, and impose it on an inanimate object to turn it into a symbol. No offence to the gentleman, but Jack Forster at Hodinkee is especially good at this - poses a question, 20 minute worth of long reading, only to arrive at the usual "well, it depends".
@@crybabyteamo If the guy runs for presidency - he'd win!
I have always been a watch person. When I was about 21 (1980's) my dad asked me what I wanted for my birthday and I told him a Rolex. He was in no position to buy me one but as a joke he got me one off the street for like $40. it was a gold DateJust. The build quality was not bad the case and bracelet felt cheap as hell but it looked OK. it held time and I constantly got compliments on it. I think I wore that watch for 15 years until the scratches wore off the gold and it just looked too crappy to wear anymore. One thing my dad did since spend some money on back at 1969 was a Seiko Bellmatic. He bought it new from the PX when he was over in Vietnam. I treasure that watch till this day and it still keeps pretty good time but the little bell inside doesn't alarm like it used to for sure.
That is one family heilroom - please let it have a good quality spa at watchmaker and enjoy in good health.
Vintage bellmatics are super cool.
Bit mean to ask your dad for a Rolex 😅, unless he is wearing one himself.
Clocks have been around for 1000s of years; as far as I can determine, watches have been around for less than 600. But you rejected the clock as an option.
Would've been nice to see an actual comparison of the watches instead of a lecture based on the idea of money being an indicator of success.
The thing stopping people from buying a Rolex is less the price at the boutique and more the fact that some ruthless people are hoarding them and selling at a premium.
RUTHLESS OPPORTUNISTS is exactly what they are.
@Geraldo Sepulveda, I dunno about that. I think that it's more a matter of do I sell a highly desirable watch to someone who might flip it or to another person who I know won't flip it and not to mention the other hundreds of people that have been waiting for this watch whom I've done business with before.
Believe me, I see your point, but, the A.D. has a business to run.
I do agree wit the point about people hoarding watches only to re sell them at higher prices though. There should be a special place in prison for them.
@@johnturnerjr7221 The fact is Rolex themselves have created this market of flipping watches at a premium. If Rolex watches were accessible to all, there would not be a need or reason to flip a watch at a profit. For a watch so simple to make, it is atrociously overpriced.
Ali Hussain Fucking hell you went there. Try selling them a watch
@@alihussain5272 Well said.
Imagine defining yourself by a watch.
@Tony Pajamas i cant help but to feel that you missed a few steps there before sleepin with their grandmas. Thanks for the laugh, Pajamas. XD
The watch defines the user. Not only about cost but you can get a fine watch for really cheap.
This is not a 1'000£ fake GMT, this is a Noob Factory 126710 GMT that costs 600$. Please try to be consistent.
If that, some people may pay £1000 for a franken watch & it would have genuine Dial, hands, crown, date wheel & if your lucky crystal. There are some crazy priced frankens of the Daytona. Some fetch real Submariner prices which is madness, who wouldn't rather have a genuine Sub.
It already said , but look up franken. Those are noob or ar with genuine parts on it. I have seen them of $ 2000 , wich i would never pay for it. I have a noob myself , but if i had 2000 , with a bit more i can buy a used date just
@@ipainthouses3084 Forget Noob they have moved on from them, ZF & ARF are being used for subs. Someone tried to scam me with a very good one with a lot of genuine parts, even the winding module on the clone VR 3135 was genuine. My watch smith wasn't fooled but he was impressed. Seen franken Daytona's that have had £5000 price tags. Had a mate get a genuine 16610 for that, box & papers.
A toaster is an emotionless purchase? He's clearly never owned a Dualit.
he doesn't have an idea of mitsubishi toasters
Yes! I got my parents' old Dualit when I started studying in the late 90s, quite sure it's from '86 when they bought their house. Still have it and cherish it.
Or carried it around the streets in London.
@@DocTill I bought mine in 1989 and absolutely love the fucker and have changed two of the elements with loving care. I prefer it to my watches..
I'm cheating on my Dualit with a De'Longhi toaster, I hope it doesn't find out or I'm toast.
I love this channel. I truly do. That however felt like a Watch industry sponsored commercial. While I do agree that an expensive watch is not about the time - it is about the love of watches and the accomplishment of getting a great time piece - I felt there was a forced justification for the ridiculous grey market pricing of Rolex. They are the masters of marketing - and they have done unbelievably well - but they have become so exclusionary that it has literally created the rep market due to an audience that 90% of the time - cannot get a watch from them at retail - and will not pay 2-3x the price to get it on the grey market.
I agree with you, well put. This was a very “basic view” of why someone would by a fake watch, to supplement their “fake life” which is very small minded. I even have a problem with the term “fake”. These are super clones, am almost direct copy of their original counterparts so much so, you can swap nearly each piece with a gen piece such as with the robust VR3135 movement and the JF16610. These are GOOD watches, not simply lesser fakes that should be shunned. I wear a JF because I frankly can not afford a sub, I appreciate and respect it like a $9k (it was $1500) watch and would never tell someone it is real if they asked. My step dad that’s owns multiple gen Rolex’s has a few clones, a 1675 being one of them for obvious reasons. That is a grail watch he hole hearted wants to enjoy and wear but cannot justly the Cost let alone wear it with out constant fear of hitting a door jam... Although superficial Rolex owners may turn their nose to super clones, people who appreciate horological and the beauty of a fine watch will find greater value and appreciate in other ways when considering one of these.
@@egibson2266 China now makes great watches with Swiss names on them.
Rolex creates high quality luxury watches. Creating those kind of watches takes time and effort, and they can't churn them out as fast as something that's mass produced. There is a far greater demand for Rolex than there is a supply. That means you will have to wait for your watch to be made. Some people don't have that patience, and want to buy it right now. That's where the gray market comes in. People with no interest in these watches order them with the AD, and when they arrive, sell them for a profit. The market dictates how high they can up their prices. If it doesn't sell for the asking price, the price will come down.
Don’t pay grey market Rolex prices…..just waitlist…. At literally every near AD, I’ve gotten the watches I desired quickly (relative to Rolex) and if a different location calls you after you received your watch, you can simply say “I’m no longer interested “. Also, just pop in and say hi every 2-3 weeks. The waitlist is not chronological….if it’s been 3 months, you’re not getting the watch from that dealer because they’ve already forgotten you exist and you might as well re add yourself with a different sales rep. That’s just from my experience anyways. Good luck to you!.
Scary/Sad thing is that: The paint on the GMT hand in that Rolex is much cleaner applied than the genuine Rolex GMT!
At a guess, the GMT hand on a genuine watch is about 0.4mm thick. You can't even see the paint finish even though a 10x loupe, never mind the naked eye. What I can see is the GMT hand on the fake is about twice as thick as it should be, the rehaut engraving doesn't line up, and the red/blue transition on the bezel doesn't line up with the 9 o'clock marker.
Why pay an extra 9 thousand for the exact same thing
@@randsp3c709 It's not the same is it? You buy a fake for £1000, you lose money straight away. You buy the real thing for £10k and you can sell it for £10k. You just need to have a spare £10k in the first place. You'd be stupid to spend ALL your money on a watch, even a fake one. And remember £1000 is not a cheap watch either, but if you enjoy funding criminal organisations and cheap labour, then feel free.
nordicmonkey lets be honest, a Submariner is not worth 10k. And a gmt is not worth 9k. No other Watchmaker is charging these Prices for a watch that is not handmade.
@@yetidh9 I agree I've never heard of a fake costing that much, maybe 300$, but I get it if u are buying it for an investment because rolex ,as long as u get the right model can go up or at least hold its value
I love this channel but this guy is getting more and more long-winded and pompous. Less empty guff, more about the watches please.
Angus McIntosh 😂😂😂
I agree. Get to the point already. That fake looked great, but a grand for a fake is too much.
@@rickjason215 Worse thing is that the original idea was good : comparing it to a very good watch one could get for the same price.
And then the inflated ego started to talk.
Agreed whole heatedly, even though that is the channel style/sale point...at first it was nonchalant fun & enjoyable but now it's a tad long & confusing without real substance
@@rickjason215 the thing is, that fake doesn't actually cost a grand. almost none do except for gold wrapped ones or actual tourbillon fakes. this was probably a GM factory fake, costing like $438 haha.
The thing about fakes is. They are nice watches and you still take them on a journey with you. Fakes also have character.
Let's not call them fake.
There's a certain Art behind.
Kinda like fake friends... they tag along like everything’s cool, then one day boom! Major failure.. your fake watch you’re parading around as something it isn’t just decided to reveal the piece of shit that it actually is... that’s a lot of character.
@@TheNotoriousKID
well, the fakes aren't a piece of shit anymore!! And guess what! In twenty or thirty years from now they're probably as good as the real thing! ;)
Frank Schroth a fake watch will never ever be a genuine watch no matter how much you twist it around in your head... it will never ever be real!!! I can’t believe there are people out here supporting fake watches as if it’s something to aspire to...
@@TheNotoriousKID I was reading the comments and thinking the same thing. People are on here praising and justifying these assholes that are totally ripping off the design, I can't believe it. It's ok to not have money to buy a Rolex, I can respect that. But I can't respect someone who supports buying a fake.
That Tissot isn't my cup of tea but I'd still take it over the Rolex - even if it was real.
If that's a fake Rolex I'm gonna give up this hobby.
It is.
You didn't see all those imperfections? the edges on all those numbers were pretty sloppy.
@@tonyl7000
It it worth 10 times for the tiny changes?
you're not giving up the hobby
you're just finding a new one
@@tonyl7000 Sure, but look at it from a bit of distance and not with a magnifying glass and you won't see the difference so easily, they even fake the movements.
"What's the point in that"
Because ADs wouldn't sell me a hulk without spending 50k with them. Lol
LMAO, bundling purchase just for a Rolex, especially on the best seller model.
lol People don't buy fake Rolex because they can't be bother to wait for ADs call... They buy them because they can't afford the gen
@@arbiterofreason2068 You can only wait for the AD to call if they are going to put you on a wait list in the first place.
You forgot something: Shortcut or not, Rolex aren't making the genuine watch readily available to genuine buyers, even when they have the money.
Even if you wanted to hunker down and spend the money on a stainless steel sports Rolex, you'd likely be forced to pay over the odds on retail or be forced into a supplicating dance with a sycophantic AD (or a price gouging grey market seller)...
Don't buy a Rolex then. Sorry but it's just too obvious to me, if a brand forces low supply to make you pay more than the value, just find a brand that doesn't do that.
@@matthewjackman8410I 100% agree with you Matthew, I don’t get why people are buying fakes when there’s thousand of watches and brands that actually care for their costumers
While I have not bought a fake Rolex (yet), I can definitely say I am on the fence to doing so. Before any accusations of not being able to afford one, I can honestly say that it is not strictly a financial limitation, per se. I have been in the position to buying my first Rolex for well over a year now. I started with wanting a Sub, then Explorer II (polar), then even lowered my standards to a OP36/39. I have been put on a "wait list" to which I have never been contacted. I am on the wait list for all the Rolex ADs in two cities and almost 2 years later, no call. I refuse to pay a premium in the used market for a Rolex just because some guy has had a higher spend history/connection with a particular AD. I won't play that game with Rolex and their AD network. It's a watch at the end of the day and Rolex is not the only brand that makes quality watches. I have since bought numerous Grand Seikos, Omegas, Tudors, etc. Rolex? No call.
I'll buy a Rolex because I like the designs of a few models but since the company has made it virtually impossible to buy through official channels, and I don't agree with perpetuating the cancerous cycle of Rolex flippers, I am considering to buy a Rolex rep. I won't lie if someone asks if it's a fake. I'll happily explain that Rolex does not respect the actual watch enthusiasts and that they have purposely created a system where you have to earn your right to be their customer. Disgusting...but nice designs. So yeah, I'll give $500 to a Chinese factory that will release me from this Rolex fix.
Makes perfect sense. I just don't know if it would really last a lifetime.
@@VenzoGames For $500, would you care?
I really hear you on that one!
@@VenzoGames From what I've read up, the two "higher end" options are basically an ETA clone or Rolex movement clone. I believe the former is serviceable but for $500, it's pretty much expendable in my eyes.
@@sunflash101 the zzf v2 is the model you're looking for. It's quite nice out of the box, though I would recommend having it serviced and water tested by an independent watchmaker as soon as it arrives.
There’s another one: One could like the design of a luxury watch, but cannot fathom dropping 10k on it.
"Real Brands" , "hundreds of millions invested in marketing" & "connection that makes a watch special" - sounds like those hundreds of millions invested in marketing have you believing that real brands create a special connection.
I hate fake anything but the older I get, the less value I see watches. Nothing under €3k holds any value and anything more expensive is just a bourgeoisie equivalent of small man, big truck syndrome.
@@jeeefthegreat7555 haha! i know what you mean, historically, the clothes made the man but these days you can show what you are in so many different ways - all you need is a phone and a decent internet connection. Its nice to have something that lasts but a Rolex does not make a role model.
When i see a rolex i think, "Nice watch, that guy is probably in middle management or above" - hardly very exciting.
Admittedly, things get different when your into gold patek's but then your into silly money and id rather hire a chauffeur for a year than a watch. If having to decide between a chauffeur and a watch makes me a peasant then so be it! 😅
@@vygell You can't afford a chauffeur... Or a watch. But let's say that you could? A Chauffeur is a great way for you to loose money. A watch isn't.
That blue color on the fake GMT bezel is even more appealing than real Rolex's purple blue 😂 wtf people😂
Dingming Zou Shame the colour transition isn’t even.
Lol, this message sounds like it's from the owner of that fake watch brand. Wonder if thumbs up are coming from the children working there.
dan toncu funny 😄
@@dantoncu7578 There are no children in this business of high end reps. These are the same factories that produce legit parts for many legit brands and homages. This whole old story of the hot humid cellars with children is the true fake.
Alex Oliver Yeah I can imagine it’s extremely hard to do a 1 to 1 copy for the bezel. Even Rolex could not perfect it yet.
As a former watchmaker at Rolex I gotta say: given that Rolex movements are so unbelievably simple that it is almost a miracle people are still buying them instead of something at least a little of a challenge when it comes to putting it together, I do fully understand that someone would go for the fake whose movement is probably even more complicated than the one of the real Rolex. Vintage Rolex are pretty good and worth the money, though. They got me into watchmaking.
British independent watchmaker Roger W. Smith has expressed his opinion on several occasions that in watch design and construction simpler is often preferable, and better.
Thanks for your insights. I have a couple of fake watches as a part of a collection - I personally find them fascinating and that some of them have a great sense of humor (even if unintentionally so). My favorite is a quartz knock off submariner I got on canal street that is not a Rolex but a "Rolax." The dream watch is probably the Daytona with a modified El Primero movement - a lot of history there.
@@enriqueali and not just in watch design.
As a watchmaker I understand that simplicity (when it comes to movements) can be desirable (e.g. in using very few parts) but I would argue that that is only the fact when a brand is really pushing it. If a watchmaker is searching for smart ideas to use less parts in a movement, that‘s a watchmaking skill. Because by simple I do not only mean the amounts of parts used or the complexity of the movement, I also mean the amout of thought that had to be put behind developing it, and the complexity of the idea. A movement with extremely few parts has probably an uncountable amount of thought behind it and is therefore not at all simple. If everything about a movement is „standard“ in a sense that it is just a copy of the usual ways the movement works, then there‘s not thought put behind the movement and therefore it‘s complexity vanishes, no matter how many parts are used.
Don‘t get me wrong, „standard“ movements are just fine, ETA and sellita are making great standard movements, and so is Rolex. I just want to put forward that one should not buy a Rolex because of the engineering, technology, thought or complexity behind it. That remains to the true „watchmakers“ like Journe, De Bethune and so on... you know the names
I don't know which is more stupid. To pay $ 14,500 USD for a Rolex bubbled cult or £ 1,000 for a Rolex replica?
I'd say the £1,000 for a Rolex replica, the real Rolex can be sold and you can get most of your money back.
@@2011blueman same goes for the replica.
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I would have liked to see a deep review of both, showing the (hopefully) better finish of the genuine watch rather than the cheap philosophy served here :-(
Agree.
very talkative
This is an amazing channel. I love how he thinks outside of the box and doesn't only talk about the watch itself but about the human psyche .
Over the years , I have collected 40+ watches. Most are cheap beaters when I was much younger , some are vintage ones that I have inherited. Some are strange and quirky .
3 are respectable formidable authentic automatic Swiss watches all purchased at boutiques with boxes and papers .
But 1 is a fake . About 17 years ago I bought a fake Daytona , and at the time I was much younger , dumber and wanted to achieve a fake sense of prestige to impress friends , so I wore it a lot. As I grew and started to appreciate watches more , I realized how ridiculous it is to own and especially to flaunt a fake . But yet I can't get myself to get rid of my fake Daytona . It is pretty , it still runs nice , and it does its job correctly. It tells the time ! Plus it holds a value of nostalgia to me (The chronograph aspect of it is flawed but thats another story)
Anyway , I almost NEVER wear this watch. It sits in the closet collecting dust most of the time .
But I have recently decided that my fake Rolex Daytona will be allowed to make appearances one day and one day only out of the year..... HALLOWEEN ! The day that I may dress up in a costume with my son to go trick or treating, or go some sort of costume party with friends and colleagues . It becomes part of a made up identity for one day and one day only .
Yeah I would buy the fakes and wear them the best fake I had was open tourbillon soo cool but. It was not water proof the fake Rolexes broke but still lasted longer than the $20.00 Walmarts brands same cost for these things I did gardening and farm work so I wasn’t nice to the watched still coolest was the tourbillon took a beating before showering wore it out
A $7000 Rolex is $2000 worth of time and materials and $5000 worth of brand value. I'd rather buy a watch that doesn't cost a bomb for the brand value.
an1rb patek Philippe nautilus/acquanaut
10% worth of time and materials and 90% brand value, imagine buying a simple stainless steel watch with only date and time for 50k€ when the royal oak of audemars piguet is the same watch, more good looking and costs ‘only’ 20k € ? PP is shameless
Out of all the watch Chanel's,
This is definitely #1.
Excellent Production, Excellent Content and Excellent Host.
Not to mention CONSISTENT.
🥇
James Rodrigues every time I watch his videos I have to drink a gallon of degreaser because his voice and content is so full of greasy pseudo sentiment bullshit
Watchfinder is owned by Richemont Group: they know the product and how to sell it. www.richemont.com/our-businesses.html
Chanel, Ha!
Companies like rolex,ap, have gone overboard with “earning your way” to make that dream purchase. Saving up years to have $ isnt enough anymore. And market is offended by douchery from AD. Hence ever so growing high quality fake watch market. Not trying to defend fakes, but just observing the obvious.
this is probably first time I disagree with this marvelous channel: I had ben choosing our toaster for over 6 months! :)) (Kitchen Aid Artisan won)
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie
The point of wearing a fake Rolex is to undermine the achievement of your frienemy who recently saved up to buy their own genuine Rolex.
The prerequisite, of course, is that you have a better car, bigger house, higher paying job, and a genuine A.Lange Datograph.
Whenever they wear their genuine Rolex, you take out your fake and make a “look how good fakes are getting” comparison to everyone present.
I will get there one day.
Someone who honestly comes by the kind of money a rolex costs is smart enough not to buy one. Rolex is also creatively bankrupt. I have more respect for someone who tirelessly works to hone a perfect fake because that takes dedication and creativity.
@pyrotechnic5254 Buy an Omega if you want an actual watch. Rolex is not a precision tool anymore and yes its creatively bankrupt.
I understand to an extent the argument about why a fake watch would always be a fake to the owner even if it gives the impression of being genuine to an unknown observer. I don't agree that the statement around success projected or essence of the watch being worn is any different between fake and genuine. A significant portion of people who own luxury products have bought it on finance which is debt and not really an indicator of one's success, but ones ability to bear risk and priorities luxury over necessity. They may have inherited the watch it been gifted it. Again, not signs of success but privilege. To the owner they know they didn't earn this great piece on their arm, they got it because they're parents or family are wealthy and would have been wealthy whether the owner existed or not. Plenty of those who own luxury products are insecure and unhappy. The products ultimately give them a very abstract and fragile sense of happiness. The essence that the commentator speaks about is only real in the mind of the beholder. But that realness is a subjective truth. For example, I purchased my Rolex from Harrods in cash. It was a very straightforward and transactional process involves a Datejust owned by millions of other people. Rolex didn't give me any sense or unimaginable essence that somehow connected me to my success or my watch through the transaction. I would argue that an individual with $500-600 dollars (which is their fortune) who has to research and navigate a complex web of information, mis-information, dealers and quality control checks to purchase a replica of very high standards actually loves and knows more about the watch than a lot of the genuine owners. This love and passion as well as a sense of achievement when the item arrives as expected probably fills the person with as much joy, satisfaction and an essence valid to that owner. An essence, I as a genuine owner have not and probably will not experience. The fake and genuine have value and sentimentality to both owners, I assume. Value is relative and essence comes from emotions. Is my sense of essence about my roles more genuine or valid than someone who's lovingly bought a fake Datejust? I'm not sure.
i disagree
Supporting fakers is is never a justifiable choice. Just buy a Seiko, Hamilton, Orient or even a Swatch Irony Automatic, and that’s money well spent.
How did Watchfinder come up with a fake Rolex? I hope they aren’t selling fakes.
Not mentioned by the narrator (or many in the watch industry), that Tissot probably has about as many parts manufactured in China as that Fauxlex.
I was told ETA have a factory in China.
Philosophy with a side of watches - It's why I love this channel and what makes it different :)
Amazing clonewatches.ch watches.
Faking an Instagram holiday is the perfect analogy for people buying fake watches lol
You are so poetic I want to sell house and buy A.Lange & Sohne
Hello fellow real estate agent
Why don't buy a toaster instead?
@@kleanovodust-bin69 exactly. they do have Timer too lol
Your Kidney might get you a pre-owned one.
I had all the funds together to buy my first Rolex. Decided against it because of this. I’m not a wealthy man and everyone would assume it’s a fake. Probably not a good look on me at the end of the day. Instead, I went with a Speedmaster professional.
You did good. There aren't (as for now and until they will finally replicate the Omega movement as they did for Daytona, Sub and GMT movements) perfect reps of the speedy. The placement of the subdials is not correct, more toward the border of the dial than the gen manual speedy (a bit like the speedmaster reduced to understand)
Maybe instead of buying a fake watch, just invest and wait.
I’m pretty emotionally attached to my toaster, thank you very much.
Finally you show a Tissot, please do more reviews on Tissot watches
The mark of success is not about the watches you wear on your hand. But if a waiting list exists for you at an AD.
does anyone know why there are T letters on both side of the swiss made inscription on the tissot dial ?
@Watchfinder & Co.
What are your throughts as a pre-owned dealer on custom timepieces? Like the modded Rolex models from the likes of Blaken, DiW, and LabelNoir?
Bamford
My god the gmt2 is fake?
Suleiman Taie You’d be amazed at how good fakes can be. Watchfinder have done a few videos on fake vs real. You should check them out.
I did all ready long time ago
Suleiman Taie Then I’m surprised by your comment.
Definitively, it's probably a noob factory one (and NO, all sites that claims to be "noob factory" are scammers, they don't have their site), and not a good one. The insert looks bad (look where the blue turn red in the 18, it's in the wrong place). Oh, and its price is around half of 1000£. It's this one trustytime.shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=20498 , but beware, that one has a bad movement. Much better choice with this one: trustytime.shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_5&products_id=21147)
@@alexoliver2608 iam not surprised but i thought its not a fake one
I was going to buy a submariner this year, but have been totally put off. 99% of people will assume it's fake and it totally isn't worth it in price.
It's actually quite invisible. My friend had a sub for the past 2 years and I was the first one to compliment him on it.
So you think that it's not worth it because of what other people think of it? If you really want to buy a real Rolex Sub, go for it. If people think it's a fake watch then don't listen to them, they don't know more about your watch than you. If it's the real deal, it's the real deal
So u wish to own a Rolex because u need to impress others? I think u make the right choice if that’s what u wish to achieve.
You don't buy a nice watch because of what other people think. You buy it because YOU like it.
Tezan better than the other way around.
You have to really want to fool someone if you are spending 1000 on a fake. That is making a commitment to doing that.
for most of my watches I also bought a good replica, I am not wearing a expensive watch if I go out at night, and they became really good. I still need one for my Jäger, if someone knows where to get them in europe?
The idea that "one who has nice things has earned them" ignores the fact that the majority of wealth is inherited
or gotten by nefarious means.
@@joeshmoe9233 ba-dop bop 🥁
A fake watch is still a watch. A lot of them are also really bloody nice.
Which tissot model is that?
I've never bought a fake. I own a few homages and I love them dearly, because I can take solace in one simple truth: Nearly nobody cares what watch I'm wearing. They don't know the difference between a Daytona and a Date-Just and they likely don't understand how hard it is to buy a Rolex, since the brand is so engrained in pop culture. The most you'll get is "oh cool Rolex." For me the true greatness of watches is that it democratizes public art. We might scoff at a 3 million dollar supercar that will never see the light of day, but we light up at the idea of a million dollar JLC because when the owner wears it, everyone gets to see it and appreciate it. Now when a manufacturer's structure makes normal the act of snatching up and hoarding, it's not unethical to want to return that magic to the public sphere where it belongs. But again, if you're wearing a watch so people will notice it, you probably would be better off with a Daniel Wellington or some monstrosity like it.
MVMNT🤣🤣🤣
I'm torn between a Daniel Wellington a Vincero or a fake Rooooooooleeeexxxx. A fake will not last, no one like DW, so my choice is Vincero...woooohoooo... in their commercial they said its design in house and they spend 3 times more than their competitors developing the watch. Oh Lord what a bargain for less than $200, I can't wait. :) :)
What the hell are you talking about?
No one wears their million dollar watches in public, except tasteless african-american celebrities and sportsman.
And even if they did, what are the chances to actually see a million dollar watch in person? Not many people hang around in that kind of social circle.
And a 3 million dollar cars usually look and sound apart, so there is that. Have you ever heard a sound of 50 000$ 2000's Maserati, it's just amazing.
Yeah, that's the best mentality for watch enjoyers. I enjoy the appearance of the watch as well as all the heritage, hours of work, and technology that went into making one.
@@vulekv93 Wow!! Question, is there such thing as a tasteless Caucasian or Asian or Jew? To me its sounds like you just said a tasteless comment, so if I was to agree with your comment above, which I don't, I would guess u must be African American for saying such tasteless comments, right?🤣
you wear real Rolex, get off from 2007 honda jazz, the watch becomes fake
you wear fake Rolex, get off from 2018 BMW i series, the watch becomes real
I would rather not invest in shameless greymarket dealers who double the price of each Rolex. That’s ease of mind for me!
Buy from an AD then
@@pauluk2109 You mean order. Just like in the communism. You pay in advance and from the moment you pay in just 6 months - 2 years you get the product you paid for. Sounds amazing.
Bear Rider I got my submariner from an AD less than 5 months after putting my name down. I just made sure I popped in and said hello a couple of times to see how I was getting on and they saw I was a genuine buyer and not a flipper.
Paul UK So in order for me to buy this watch I have to pop in a few times to say hello to ensure my genuine personality and then beg that I’m put in a waiting list, while I’m at it I may as well bow down and start worshiping the glorified sales people. You were lucky with 5-6 months. I’ve been told to wait 2yesrs+ .. life is short and I could’ve spent that 2 years with a watch like my Tudor blackbay and enjoying it taking it alongside me with the adventures I’ve had in that 2 years.
Sounds ridiculous to me. I could walk into an Omega store and buy whatever I want. This is why watch people don’t like Rolex, it’s the hype beast supreme of the watches.
Mike Ess hi mate, unfortunately yeah and the reason is they want to know you’re a genuine buyer and not going to flip it. These watches, especially the super rare like the hulk are worth thousands more on the grey market so if they were easy to get anyone could just put their name down on the list at 20 AD’s and make £30k - £40k in the space of a few weeks. I was also told 2 years but I think I was lucky as it was just after Christmas when they rang me and the people above me on the list probably were short of money at the time. These dealers have at least 10 people adding themselves to the lists every day and most are time wasters or people looking to flip the watch and make a quick £2k. It’s not perfect but I don’t see how else they could do it considering the crazy demand for Rolexes. I’m not too proud to go in and chat to the staff and create a rapport with them, I’ll probably be going back to get one for my fiancé when she decides which design she likes.
The script on that video needed some skill. Liked it.. now I'm getting myself a toaster!
A very eloquent video essay indeed.
Nobody really should be giving fake Rolex’s or fake watches in general for that matter, any screen time! Especially a respected channel like this.
Please Do a "Mercator" by Vacheron Constanin ! They are incredible!!! Thank you!
I absolutely LOVE Tissot, I'm so glad to see it on this channel at last
"that connection that makes a watch special" i dunno, that fake looks pretty good and can actually be purchased.
I've always loved this Tissot Worldtimer. Just plain beatiful.
i just wish it was smaller and didn't have numbers on the bezel.
Its absolutely sublime.
You can't even buy a GMT Master II for anything less than twice the retail price.
Its an intentional black market created by retailers and Rolex is totally aware of it.
@@ThePipeMonk I say let's all of us start buying indistinguishable replicas and devalue Rolex in the market.
@Cloud Nine sure lol
@@aymanalij Exactly. If Rolex don't make their watches available at retail, and you have to buy their watches from glorified scalpers I don't care about buying a real Rolex.
This...was spot on and worth memorizing for every encounter with someone wearing a fake.awesome that you featured a tissot as well
Great video and speech, watching this channel it's always a beautiful experience
I would have liked to actually hear about watches, instead of "existential" chatting while holding two watches.
It's a good day when Watchfinder releases a new video.
What's the ref # on that tissot? Thanks!
i like how u guys have a shop for germany now. Hope you guys can stock up more glasshutte original watches
I’ve just ordered a Tissot toaster from China and it comes with a certificate of authenticity, its just the bread goes in a little crooked by my wife thinks it’s real.
Steven M A WHAT!?
To be quite honest, i wouldn’t have any issues with wearing that fake GMT. I have been waiting for a real GMT for ages and will not pay double the retails price (even the most hardened collectors say its a rip off).
I’d wear the fake until the AD’s stop hoarding and profiteering from selling to the grey market. Ideally i’d like to see AD’s go bust and Rolex open its own boutiques just like Omega.
What, you think Rolex isn’t implicit in the whole “shortage” scam? They’re the instigators!
@@numberstation Don't know if they're the instigators but there is no doubt that they are aware and don't do anything about it.
Same here it has crossed my mind. Waiting for over a year. The problem is that Rolex allows the AD behavior of them holding these GMTs for their premium clients 90% of the time.
@t c I live in London, there are no family run AD's, it's all big business and very transparent, they will basically tell you to your face that there other customers that they want to wait for before you. I purchased an Air King to get on to the waiting list for a GMT Pepsi, I was told 1 year later that I'd need to purchase a couple more watches before being considered. This was Watches of Switzerland.
t c To increase profits, why else? The model is simple. First, rigorously control who sells your product, and ensure discounts are kept to a minimum. Then, slowly reduce the amount of product available, target wealthier buyers for actual sales, and try to piggyback less popular models onto those sales. The result is increased desirability due to artificially created rarity and a shift towards more “upmarket” clientele, a stranglehold on prices both new and used (this process has driven used prices through the roof, which in turn makes new sales more likely as the gap is so small and value retention is high) and also means increased profit margin as the product has a buyer before it’s even made.
Increased desirability.
Increased control of product leading to increased profit.
Decreased wastage from overproduction.
All very good for Rolex, and maybe for existing Rolex owners too in terms of money invested. But if people can’t see they’re being played like fish then more fool them. There’s no point crying because you can’t get your Rolex, if you keep bending over Rolex will keep fucking you. Rolex customers have themselves to blame for allowing this situation to happen.
lovely video thanks for inspiration
best watch channel. I hope one day the narrator of the channel would share his personal collection with us
Ive bought one replica rolex before. You might feel excited once you get it. But somehow there is something about it that does not tally with your life.like your job, the car your drive. And worst at the back of your head you know its a fake andthe more you wear it the more you wonder why am i wearing fake? Am i proud of it? Ofc people see it as something but your inner self just screams no. So i decided to sell it.
Here's a few signs of the GMT being a fake.
1- On the rehaut, the letters forming ROLEX should match exactly with the minute markers on the dial, moreover, each X in ROLEX should match with each hour marker on the right side and the R should match with the hour markers on the left side.
2- The bezel should be perfectly symmetrical, you can see that while at the 3 o clock position the red and the blue match up pretty well. On the opposite side the blue and red are coming together much higher than they should, the red side is essentially bigger.
3- The center of the pinion where the second hand attaches is poorly polished.
4- The rectangular indices on the dial have sloppy corners and aren't perfectly squared off.
Just a few of the ones I spotted in one pass of the video...
Legitimate critique, but I don't think those small flaws justify the 2000% increase in price.
Number 1 is cool to know
The triangle at the end of the 24 hour hand is poorly polished on the sides..
I agree with 3 & 4. However, I have seen numerous Rolexes with a misaligned "Rolex, Rolex" rehaut. And I've seen Yachtmasters and Subs with misaligned bezels.
Rolex's QC is not as tight as before.
@@alectang1614
Maybe you saw copyes of rolex.
The question not asked... Is a gmt master work tens of thousands?. No ....it's not. So also...enter the fake.
First look at that Tissot for me. I couldn't take my eyes off of it. Thanks!
So literally every watch company spending 80-90% to marketing,ad & RnD to hype their brand & only spending 10% to produce the watch itself??Now it make sensed
The best watch I've got is a Tissot seastar. A beautiful watch that keeps impeccable timing. Gonna hold me over until I've got the funds for the 2018 Seamaster 300.
great value for money watch. Great movement, sapphire and ceramic. Just a little too big for me.
The Seamasters are really coming down in price right now, good luck :)
A fantastic watch, especially for the price.
Whats a good price on a Seamaster I haven't kept up on prices lately.
@@BabyJesus66 I've seen them start around 2000 for barely used.
At 1:20: « Buying a toaster is an emotionless purchase ». I’m afraid not. Not even buying cat food reaches that purposeless level!
Harder and harder to spot! Just can't spot the fake anymore.
I have a fake Rolex, as well as 3 other real Rolexes. The reason i bought it was that i saw a picture online of something i'd never seen anywhere, it looked like a modern ceramic sub, but with the submariner text in red, and it had hands that looked like those on a datejust. After some research i discovered that it was a fake, apparently the company that made them just decided to throw a bunch of random parts together and sell it. Anyway, i loved the design so i bought one, expecting the quality to be really bad, but when i received it i was pleasantly surprised. Its really quite nice, and i wear it in rotation with my other watches. I do like it a lot even though its a fake, and i wish Rolex would come out with a similar design.
Can we have a toaster comparrison video please?
Buying a fake watch is a crime.
Do you know what can you do with 1000euro, I can fix my house roof.
Getting a bit boring, I was expecting a real technical comparison between the two. Movement, materials, and so on.
Technical is boring too. A bit of reflection cannot be dangerous for u brain... Or I thing it's not
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Nice.
Too funny))
I can't believe he kept all his videos up, clearly still trying to squeeze out that TH-cam revenue after the whole scandal
What is the name of the background music?
This presenter goes deep and philosophical, best watch salesman of any TH-cam channel and of anything else when you think about it.
So my questions is, if you use real Rolex parts to rebuild a watch from the Dial to a 3135 movement, is it a real Rolex. i know watch builders who build Rolex ground up and sell them for 3-4k same watch 13-15 from AD.
That also brings in the question of custom Rolex aftermaket modders like Blaken, DiW, and LabelNoir - are those considered "real" watches if they use non-original parts? Or modified original parts?
Selling second-hand watches at quadruple the price, creating artificial demand, ADs negotiating and selling new watches to the grey market, that's some shady business many people don't want to deal with it just to have the look of a rolex on their wrists, and if you really want the look of a rolex on your wrist and nothing else will do, a good rep is the route people will go.
Totally true
Fair enough if you like being a fake person, otherwise go buy one of the many other brands of equal quality that can usually be had at a discount...
@@jimmysplit7729 fake person? more like if you don't like to get cucked by your AD lmao
JmanAndMari115
It goes deeper than being fake, supporting criminal organisations is about as bad as it gets but of coarse do as you please it’s the whole reason fakes exist.
Check out Sinn. Very high quality watches, with a warranty and for not that much more than a high-quality replica.
That's one of the best fakes I've seen. The lack of platinum fill and the visible crown at 6 really give it away though. Still, very impressive.
Always such great writing on this channel.