@@johnkasarda219 but just imagine all of ur friends got these really good custom cakes for their weddings and you and ur partner wants the same but the owner won’t give you it bc of something you can’t change! You can say we’ll just go to another bakery but why should be denied bc how u were born It’s exactly same if a black person was denied service just bc of their skin
@@brettthebest3978 he does not make any cake that goes against his values,slurs,bad words ,overtly sexual and alcool themed .I really respect that.I did not like the comparison wt black people since black is something you see and someone being gay is not exactly written on their forhead.He does not have something against them as people just the union so not the same as being racist or even homophobic for that matter.
jade hardy , I wouldn't care and I seriously doubt any other Christian, Trump Supporter or Conservative would care. Only liberal whining weenies cry about crap like this. I wouldn't even care if a black baker told me he doesn't make cakes for whites, other than the hypocrisy factor. I would say "oh, ok...I wouldn't want to do business with you anyway if that's your position." I wouldn't go run and sue him or run to the media.
They gotta push their agenda and try to get people to conform to their beliefs. Funny how people who preach tolerance are the least tolerant of other peoples beliefs.
@Missy B I wouldn't either, I'm an atheist. You made an assumption based on a stereotype that I should be religious. Bravo. And you have the right not to. It's your business and your time. Anyone should be entitled to serve whoever he wishes, based on whatever subjective world view they have. It's not about is it ok to be gay or not, it's about freedom of speech, and if I don't want to do something, I cannot be forced to.
This baker is amazing. He stood up for what he believes in no matter what it was going to cost him. He could have lost his business he worked hard to have. I respect him and I'm glad he won!
He's going to lose a lot of customers due to this tho, but that's capitalism :^). The government may not be able to screw him, but the citizens' wallets will
Actually, this will probably be great for his business because now you'll have a bunch of bigots flocking there because they want to give him money for fighting for their beliefs. Also, no matter what, it doesn't change the fact that the belief he's fighting for is the belief that he should be able to discriminate against customers based on minority status. He can say 'I make all of these cakes for straight people, but gay people can only buy from these selections in my inventory'. Based on this decision, all discrimination would have to be allowed as long as it was backed up by religious conviction, which would essentially allow all religious discrimination since that is almost always motivated by religious conviction.
Periodt poo No same does not go for religion. You should be free to practise whatever religion you want. However, your religious views are not so important that they should affect what services a total stranger can or cannot receive.
To late. 5-6 years ago I was an "ally." Today I have nothing but hate for you and your kind. Your kind are actively making pedophilia into an acceptable part of the LGBTQIA+2SMAP. Did I get all of that right?
Christians don't hate gays. We dont hate anyone. We believe that your soul is in danger because being gay is sinful. We're worried about you. And when people ask us to participate in things like this, we get worried about the safety of our souls if we participate. The "Christians" who hate people and are really mean and violent are NOT practicing what JESUS teaches. The mean and violent "Christians" are not really Christians. Real Christians love you. We hate the sin, not the person. And we believe that non repented sin puts everyone doing it in danger of going to hell. A lot of Christians have had paranormal experiences and have witnessed real miracles from GOD and we know for a fact that GOD is real and the Bible is true. And thats why we cling to our beliefs so strongly. Even if everyone thinks we're crazy. We know we aren't. GOD IS REAL ❤❤❤ JESUS LOVES YOU ❤❤❤❤
So basically he gets to discriminate and get his legal fees paid for? I’m sorry but fuck right off with that. If you choose to act like a dick then YOU PAY the consequences. By denying them based on gender (and it was based on gender) and sexuality he was being immoral. If you insist on being immoral and holding immoral views then you pay the consequence.
@@mylifepostpain3705 not really he does not belive in homosexuales getting married and by the way colorado does not allow them to get married he does not refuse service he just does not make cakes to them
@@mylifepostpain3705 your an idoit. They were trying to push their sexuality onto this religious man. If you don't like it go somewhere else. they are trying to force this man to do something that they don't want to do I'm pretty sure that's called rape. Now if this is okay I feel like rape should be okay that no woman should refuse a man sex.
Ryan Whitehead what the fuck? You say I’m an idiot (very funny coming from someone who cannot even spell the word idiot correctly) then in the next sentence you accuse them of raping him. Rape is a physical sexual attack. These guys didn’t even touch him they just gave him the finger and left.
I'm honestly surprised to hear that the Supreme Court did the right thing and upheld the Constitution... I was so use to hearing the opposite during the Obama years.
I can fix this problem with this alternative scenario: -Gay Couple: Excuse me, sir. We're getting married and we'd like you to make us a custom wedding cake. -Cakeshop Owner: Sorry, I can't do that. It contradicts with my faith as a Christian, but I'll be more than happy to sell you something else. -Gay Couple: No thanks. We'll just go somewhere else that will make us a cake. Boom! Problem solved.
Missy B I think you need to reconsidered what religions you are heading into... if a church that is based on a religion tells you to hate gay people, then, they are very wrong...
This is not a moral issue,that is basically a discriminatory statement right there. This was just a case where a man was not refusing service to be discriminatory but refusing service on the grounds that their request was in conflict to his religious beliefs ,he welcomed their patronage of any other goods in his store at any time but the same sex wedding cake he could not do.
Dont know why they couldnt just buy a really good looking cake and then just decorate it themselves? He offered to make a regular cake and sell them the shit to make it look like a wedding cake. Funny how every news outlet ignores that.
NaturalElicia not mad just disappointed that he can discriminate because this court ruling opens the door to even worse bigotry in the name of religion.
Doesn't matter if his opinion is bigoted, it is non-sequitur to his rights as a human being. It is his bloody right as a business owner to refuse patronage from or to hire any person for any reason. It is the Right of Freedom of Association. Business by definition requires voluntary transaction and cooperation. Anything else is an element of the Centralized Economic Planning and Forced Labor that led to the evils of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.
GreyWolfLeaderTW what?? When the government steps in and tells a private business who they have to bake for that sounds like socialist Germany or The Soviet Union. I’m not comparing lgbt to nazis but you wouldn’t want to bake a cake that celebrates nazis would you? Read the first amendment. You can force someone to do something that goes against their religious convictions. If you want to boycott or shame the business that’s fine. Criticize it all you want, but the government doesn’t need to get involved in this
GreyWolfLeaderTW it has nothing to do with bigotry. That baker never said he hated the couple. He just did not want to do something that celebrates something that goes against his religious convictions.
Well I would honestly be offended if they didn't want to serve simply because I'm gay, or black, or jew. It's religion freedom but at the same time discrimination ? ;-;
I’m and atheist and will respect others religious beliefs and will always support gay marriage but if the store owner doesn’t want to make them a cake for their gay marriage that is ok it’s his store and he’s not kicking them out he just doesn’t want to go against his beliefs I think the gay couple are in the wrong for trying to push their sexuality on him by taking it to court its understandable to be offended but to take it to court is too far
All these delicate people. You cant always have things your way. I'm glad this guy won. The gay's rights shouldn't affect the Baker's rights. People that get offended this easy, is beyond crazy.
The constitution says “Every person is equal before the law”. It is important for all the people to be equal so that they do not have discrimination against each other. Then every citizen have equal rights and opportunities. There will be no creation of any type of stereotype or prejudice.
@@palaceofgnosis9941 Being equal before the law DOES NOT imply what you're suggesting. Quite contrary, there's something called First amendment and it protects exactly against this type of hostile behavior. These people are literally crying on national tv because someone wouldn't make them the exact cake they wanted. Do you understand how ridiculous that is?! It shouldn't even be discussed publicly if we are to retain sanity in this society.
Your not seeing the point here. The point is that liberals simply hate what is a different opinion than there's and instead of doing THE RIGHT THING and just finding another baker, they would rather ruin a man's passion because of their hateful agenda. thats what liberalism is...it's about intolerant hate for anything that doesnt follow their belief system
Hate to say this but based on the comments I've seen in the video majority of the LGBT community does not want to respect the faith and religious belief of the baker. I have a high respect to the community but with regard to this matter, they should know how to give respect to other people. LGBT wants equality and respect, thus, they should also give it to other people.
The LGBT community don't want tolerance, they never had, they want one way compliance, as they clearly don't give a rats ass about other peoples convictions.
There's an important thing to remember here He didn't refuse service because they were gay He refused to make a product for an event he didn't agree with This is about the product not the people, and so is not discrimination He didn't tell them to get out of his store because he didn't like gays, he merely refused to make a custom made cake. Which he has every right to do
I don't respect him, but support his stance. I do think this man is a bigot that views gay men as less then worthy of service than his other customers. It's sad that we still live in a world that views gay men as less than straight men. But yes, he still has the right to do what he did.
Bro, ru fucking serious. So if I refused to make a custom cake for a black couple because I think white people are better, and those are just my beliefs, that's not discrimination?
So when black people fought against places of businesses being able to say that their's was a whites only business, they should have just stopped manufacturing drama and found another restaurant?
Emilee Valerie Both are things you are that cannot be changed that people in our society are sometimes judged on despite that trait having nothing to do with who you are as a person and being in no way harmful to those around you.
PixieoftheWood So you’re telling me once I like women I can’t like men? People need to stop using black as a scapegoat for acceptance of their lifestyle. I have no problems with gays but I know that being gay or transgender is not even on the same level as being black or any other minority.
Emilee Valerie Thank you someone who finally gets that being gay is not the same thing as being black. When there is doctor who can change skin color or race please let me know.
If you have the right to refuse giving your body to someone sexually, then you should have the right to deny your labor for anything else involving your body. His hands make the cakes. He didn’t want to use his hands / his body for their services. If a hooker can say no to money, regardless if it hurts your feelings, why can’t he refuse your money? No means no means no. No reason should even have to be given. “No” why? “Don’t want to”. He’s not enslaved to anyone. You can say no to a date, why can’t say no for services without calling it hate? He’s self employed. Why does it matter his reason for declining an order?
This wasn't about a cake. It was about 2 immature man picking a fight! THEY SHOULD pick up the Bill!!! THAT would be just! Try go grow up before entering a shop!
So when we talk about tolerance, we don't mean 'people should tolerate literally anything and just be doormats'. We mean tolerate differences that people can't control or differences that don't lead a person to cause harm to those aroud them. So if someone has a different skin color, or sexual orientation, or a disability, you shouldn't treat them like less of a person because of that. If someone has a difference that isn't causing harm, such as a religion (assuming that they don't adopt religious beliefs that lead them to act in a harmful manner to those around them), then yes, we should tolerate that. We do not mean that people should tolerate bigotry and intolerance. I've seen people argue that 'well in the big marketplace of ideas, the better ideas will win out, so let them be a bigot', but that's not how it ever works. For example, when you have a message board, and you let people express all political beliefs without criticism, and have a culture where you treat it like neo-nazis are the same as liberal hippie types, soon you only have neo-nazis, because no one else feels safe. Now, I know you're probably thinking 'but he just didn't want to bake them a cake, he's not a neo-nazi'. The problem is, people in our culture tend to only look for the biggest, loudest bigots, and refuse to see the harm the quiet bigots are doing. They think because someone's not burning crosses or threatening to kill anyone that it means they're not a bigot. He's not *as* bigoted, but the second he decided 'oh, those cakes aren't people like *you*', the baker was giving in to his worst impulses. He can say 'oh, it's my religious beliefs' all he wants, but just as I don't go 'oh, it's a religious thing' when I hear about a teenage girl murdered in an honor killing, I don't care if it's a religious thing when I hear about someone saying 'oh, I'm sorry, we don't serve your kind here'.
imagine being a black baker and a costumer ask you to make a KKK cake for a party you should have the right to decline the service because of your faith or ideals the same example can be made with ANYONE
Imagine if a gay baker was asked by someone from Westboro Baptist Church to make a cake saying "God hates f@q$" on it. Whose side would you be on in that case?
As it should be. All restaurants and establishments say, they have the right to refuse anyone service. That includes these people. Stop pushing gay crap down peoples throats. Love the way you want but don’t insist we have to accept it as normal.
I’m Pro-Gay Rights, but this issue is not one that earns any sympathy. Because ultimately what are they fighting for? The ability to Patronize a company that does not support them. Why not go to a Baker who supports Gays instead.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. Dont know about this case in particular but in general, if a business refuses to serve a customer on discriminatory grounds it is illegal.
@@brokenglass8426 No, because the court sided with him because he didn't have a fair hearing, not because he was right about what he did. The case is not over yet. It is illegal for an owner to refuse service to someone because they are, for example, black, gay or a woman. If the reason of his refusal has racist roots, its illegal. If he refuses service to someone because he is out of ingredients or because he knows for a fact the customer cant pay for it, then it is legal
Bro those are old schooled people why harass them like that leave them be why don't you go to the KKK clan and harass them for not loving gays stop pushing your agenda on others and ruining businesses. People who act like this towards businesses are selfish.
I used to not mind gay people back in the day, but, now with cases like this, I am not only annoyed but I just don't sit with, associate or do anything for them. My friend and I had a really big fight over this case a year ago
@@jonathanchowkai3654 uh no, that's an entirely different ball game. Besides, it is private property he has a right to refuse service. Just go to another bakery.
@@animeloverryan85 but sexual orientation is something someone can’t control also a business is supposed to have a professional relationship with there customers
@@jonathanchowkai3654 it is written in the bible and the guy has a right to express his faith as he sees fit. Plus, he never refused them service even though he had a right to do so. He offered them cookies or birthday cake, but they took it to the extreme because they didn't get what they want. They should have just gone to another bakery.
Seriously all these people should leave the baker alone. If they demand others to respect their rights, they should respect others too. They could just find another baker to do it. I think they purposely find a devoted Christian person to target. No shame at all. Are you so proud to destroy someone else livehood for your own selfish belief? Everyone has their own beliefs.
That's untrue and I hate that so many people are adding things on to try and make the gay couple look bad. They were directed to that bakery by their wedding planner. The bakery did not advertise itself as a Christian bakery. How would they even know this? Why would you think this was the case when there's no evidence indicating this? And sure, everyone has their own beliefs, but beliefs are a choice. Sexual orientation is not. Beliefs can change. Sexual orientation cannot. The fact is, neo-nazis and the KKK are just expressing their sincerely held beliefs, but when those beliefs include bigotry, it's no longer a case of 'everyone just has their own beliefs'. The only difference is that in our society, if you say you're a bigot because of your religion, it's suddenly okay.
@@PixieoftheWood @PixieoftheWood sexual orientation is a choice too in my opinion. People can decide what type of sexual orientation they want and change them whenever they decide too. Therefore, this situation has nothing to be compared to KKK. Imagine you ask a orthodox Jews caterer or Muslim caterer to prepare pork dishes. They will surely decline it as it against their religious beliefs. Is not like the Baker person is spewing profanity to the gay couple? He just decline baking the cake because it is against his belief. The gay couple could have respect his decision and went to other bakers. But no. Instead suieng him in court. I believe that bigotry nature fits more to the gay couple since they can't stand others with different opinion and beliefs. They are willing to destroy someone's livelihood. I think they are self centered and they must learn not to victimised themselves. They are not worthy to be called 'victims' when they are the one that are bullying this Baker person.
@@1602aaa It's not really a matter of opinion whether or not sexual orientation is a choice or not. If someone is gay, then they are capable of being sexually attracted to the same sex and not the opposite sex, that is literally what 'being gay' means. Just to clarify, are you arguing that someone is simply able to change who they are and aren't sexually attracted to whenever they decide? If that is the case, then why would there be a concept of attractive people at all? Why would looks be a criteria for anyone in a partner? Would people not simply date people regardless of attraction, then shift their attractions to whatever their partner looked like? Also, the caterer example is a terrible comparison. A caterer typically has a menu that one would choose from, so they presumably would not put pork dishes on the menu. Anti-discrimination laws state that one cannot discriminate against people based on their sex, race, or religion. In order for something to be discrimination, one must provide a service or product to one customer, but deny an identical service or product to another customer. My issue with the baker is if a straight couple came in and asked for an identical cake to what the gay couple had tried to order, he'd have served it. Furthermore, I do not believe it can be considered 'bigotry' when the reason you dislike a person is their opinion. Opinions are what make a person who they are. This is particularly the case when the baker's opinion is that these men are abominations that deserve to burn in hell. He may have been polite about it, and I'd argue that he was as polite as one could possibly be with that opinion, but I would also argue that it is unreasonable to expect someone to be considerate and open minded to the opinion that they are an abomination.
@@PixieoftheWood well it's everyone has a choice who they want to date. Only themselves can determine their own sexual orientation. I have seen people attracted to a person based on personality. How can anyone else decide? Plus you say Baker person mention abomination towards these men and 'these people' should rot in hell. Did you even watch the video? In what context he ever say that these people who don't share the same beliefs as his should rot in hell. Point it out to me. The couple can always purchase the cake from someone else. You say it's discrimination but everyone has their own principle and beliefs. Then it's a discrimination to the Baker as he wants to practice his Christian faith. I don't see anything wrong with it. Why make a big fuss about it? It's not like there's a law saying 'these people' can't purchase a cake. It's his own personal business. He has every right how he wants to operate. This couple is overreacting.
They did it specifically so they could sue for discrimination & blackmail him. Otherwise they would have gone to a baker who would accommodate them. Notice they didn't go (through 3 states) to a Muslim Baker (and they would never do it). It's not a vital service that you are obligated by law to provide. He offered the cake but not the customization (artistic freedom) Imagine if you sue a Muslim to paint an Muhammad portrait, same here: you violate his freedom to act, artistic freedom & religious freedom.
Before these gays go into the next shop to throw a tantrum over something they didn't get, instead of just going to the next shop,LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, my tip: GROW UP FIRST!!!
Look at those evil spirit forcing their own way to rights of others. Why your rights important over his? You are all insane and psychos. So if someone refused he should go to jail? WTF is logic here.
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No ABC,as usualy you got it wrong yet again. The supreme court didnt rule in favor of the baker because the lower court "went about it the wrong way" the supreme court ruled in favor of the baker because it was a case of him exercising his religious belief . He did NOT refuse service to them and politely told them they could have any other cake in his store or any other goods available,but since his faith was in direct conflict with same sex he could not bake a WEDDING cake for two men. That is not discrimination,the gay couple did not have grounds to sue on since their rights were not violated or denied,and THAT is why the supreme court ruled in the bakers favor.
I do not agree with the baker or with discriminaton in generall. I will defend his right to disagree with me though. Thus, i will defend his right to not create something that goes against his beliefs. The only case one has not the right to deny service is a doctor. Because in this case no service means physical harm.
Great decision! They are correct! I pray more & more ppl will turn away from sin! I'm so happy this baker doesn't want to approve of mortal sin. God bless their work and grant the Grace of conversion to all sinners.
We’ve all seen the signs that say “we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone” in businesses. That sign _use to mean_ “anyone” in the literal sense. Unfortunately, now that sign is basically useless thanks to all of the exceptions that have been tacked on through the government. I’m sorry, but I think that _any_ business should be allowed to serve whoever they want to, as well as not being forced to serve someone they _don’t want to,_
We have religious rights too don’t forget I don’t personally give a dang what you do in you’re private time that does not mean I have to believe in what you believe in that’s where America has it messed up at
They could’ve just went to another bakery, honestly, this was taken too far. People have a right to believe how they want, I’m glad they ruled the way they did
It's not even like he refused to serve them he just didn't want to be forced to go against his beliefs. Freedom of religion come before snowflakes feelings
Its a stupid cake i don't think god is going to have a heart attack over two guy's getting a cake. really that guy was a snowflake. Honestly if it was two black couples and he refused it he would've been hanged for it. In a situation like this just change the two to another group of people and he isn't some hero he's a bigot simple as that
@@wolftitanreading5308 he's following his beliefs, and his belief is not in support of gays. He still offered them anything in the shop, just not a custom gay cake.
if the couple got sued this would be a slippery slope. if i went into a gay bakery and said i want a cake that said same sex marrage is a abomination and if they don't I'll sue them. do anyone think that lawsuit should win. i don't think that should win
Lightning Brigade He wouldn’t get mine. I don’t support any business that doesn’t serve the gay community in the same way that it serves the heterosexual community.
The Ü·ber·mensch As sad as it is you are right but that doesn’t mean that I’m not a allowed to disagree with his immoral beliefs and take my business elsewhere. Also, he should be made to stick a sign outside his shop that says I do not serve wedding cakes to gay people because I as the customer have the right to know which kind of business I am supporting.
People are so full of it. They didn't want other couples to have to go through this. Go through what? Call another bakery? Such BS! You know damn well this wouldn"t be a story if the baker was Muslim.
At least The Supreme Court did something right! I’m not against gay, homosexual, trans… but everyone have the right to decide who they make cakes, cookies, bread or whatever. Go to the next bakery and get whatever you want, because this one wont pay your wedding.
They were demanding he create a custom piece of art for them. That's the important distinction. They could buy any other product in the store, but you can't force an artist to create a piece that goes against their personal tastes, whether it's aesthetic, religious, or otherwise.
So if you went to a bakery and asked them to bake a cake, but they refused to because of your sexuality or gender or race, would you be perfectly fine with that?
@@mrdr0161 you're such an idiot go back in another medical degree, the guy was not denying them service at the same rate the guy was not willing to compromise his moral belief in a marriage and what it means based on Bible standards. Why can't the gays allow what they preach?
@@disappointedkitty7536 don't talk about the bible. Because the Bible doesn't tell you to be be homophobic. There are plenty of religious people who aren't bigots. And it is the same. Someone is being denied service because of their sexuality. It is the exact same as being denied service because of your gender or race or because you're disabled or have green eyes. It's not OK to do. And baking a damn cake is not the same as saying merry Christmas to someone who doesn't celebrate it, because its really not the same
@@disappointedkitty7536 you seem to think the world revolves around religion. It does not. Your beliefs aren't more important than people's identities. In this world, it is immoral to discriminate against people and that's exactly what he did. Maybe you should take the POV of a gay person , constantly being discriminated by people like you, the people who claim to respect us but yet don't actually show respect and thinks by reading an old book, that gives them the right to say and do whatever they want to people. And just imagine you went into a store, and the owner refused to serve you because you're Muslim. Would you really be ok with that?
@@disappointedkitty7536 you can't respectfully discriminate against someone. Just because he's not yelling at them doesn't mean it's ok. And real people's identities are far more important than a few stories. You seem to believe a religious person can say whatever they want and treat people however they like and it's ok because they obey an old book. Maybe that's how it worked in 15th century, but not in 21st. What you say and do has consequences, no matter what books or Gods you believe in.
Free market, freedom to associate. Which needs to happen much, much more! Nobody has the RIGHT to demand OTHERS be 'tolerant' or accepting of what others do/are.
They should go to an Islamic baker and "Demand" he/she make them a "Gay themed cake".... would the mainstream media and leftists choose the gay couple or the Islamic baker?
Do you go to Jewish bakery and ask them to make Third Reich. Or African American bakery ask to make a cake for KKK party. For a people who fought for the right freely speak,love,think. Are trying to force people deny their own ideology
Imagine if someone when to a black gay bakery and asked them to make an anti-gay racist cake. Of course the business has the right to refuse business to anyone.
Here’s my philosophy on this A business, by default, can refuse anyone they want. Customers are using their property, services, and resources before any investment is done by default. The business can refuse anyone, let the invisible hand of economics determine if they succeed or not. This isn’t a problem for the government, go to another bakery. This isn’t legal discrimination that denies basic human rights, it’s his religious beliefs so just accept his terms and go somewhere else. However, which didn’t happen in this case but I will state anyway, when a customer invest its capital resources into said business and expect a returned service, you cannot take the money and deny them then and there because it is an unequal exchange of value.
From both a moral and spiritual and ethical standpoint, there are certainly "some" things that are in the same category as "dynamite". I'm not going to sell dynamite to an arsonist, nor am I going to make and sell a wedding cake to a couple of gay men. Homosexuality is an abomination to God, no matter what laws men may make. Now if they pulled up to a gas station I owned, yes, I would most surely sell them gas. That would not be an issue. But if some 8 year old pulled up in his parents car and said, "Filler up." Um, I would most certainly and obviously decline such a request.@@abel3557
Listen listen there are plenty of shops that exclusively make cakes for gay weddings at a certain point it goes beyond them fighting for justice and moves into forcing their beliefs on someone and strong arming him into denouncing his beliefs in place of theirs
Yeaa we should love ome another but not their sins😇. So the thing over here is this that We can love everyone even the murderes but that doesnt mean that we should participate there iniquity works too . I respect both the boys but not that what they think is okay (Same sex marriage).
Supreme court 100% did right thing. Can't force someone to send a message, celebrate or participate in an event, or use artistic expression. Those are compelled speech and not just basic products.
They weren't DENIED service. He kept saying he has no problem selling them baked goods or any cake. He just refused to make a custom WEDDING cake.
Still bad tho
@@brettthebest3978 not really. He wouldn't make the custom cake because of his faith. He had nothing against the couple.
@@johnkasarda219 but just imagine all of ur friends got these really good custom cakes for their weddings and you and ur partner wants the same but the owner won’t give you it bc of something you can’t change!
You can say we’ll just go to another bakery but why should be denied bc how u were born
It’s exactly same if a black person was denied service just bc of their skin
@Shrek Swamp WTF does that even mean?
What their allow to not go to prison but they can’t treated like anyone else?….
@@brettthebest3978 he does not make any cake that goes against his values,slurs,bad words ,overtly sexual and alcool themed .I really respect that.I did not like the comparison wt black people since black is something you see and someone being gay is not exactly written on their forhead.He does not have something against them as people just the union so not the same as being racist or even homophobic for that matter.
Go to another bakery. Wtf!
Why should they it's just a fucking cake it's not the end of the world
jade hardy u just said it. Its a fucking cake. Go to another fucking bakery. And is his fucking bussiness.
mariguano13 so that means if I had a business I can refuse to serve straight people and trump supporters?
jade hardy yup!!
jade hardy
, I wouldn't care and I seriously doubt any other Christian, Trump Supporter or Conservative would care. Only liberal whining weenies cry about crap like this. I wouldn't even care if a black baker told me he doesn't make cakes for whites, other than the hypocrisy factor. I would say "oh, ok...I wouldn't want to do business with you anyway if that's your position." I wouldn't go run and sue him or run to the media.
I'm with the Baker
Im with Jesus! :)
So you're a bigot? Thanks for letting us know
@@taylormanes5492
I am the other 'B' word............
I am a Believer :)
@@EternaLivesMatter Believer in what? Horseshit?
For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
Matthew 18:20 New International Version (NIV)
Go to another bakery!
Exactly
thats "too hard" for them instead they got to make a whole drama out of it
Exactly! This is just dumb.
They gotta push their agenda and try to get people to conform to their beliefs. Funny how people who preach tolerance are the least tolerant of other peoples beliefs.
Finally, the Supreme Court set them "STRAIGHT". Go somewhere else.
@Missy B That's not the point. If I own a business - I don't owe it to everyone to serve them. I can refuse a client if I wish.
Constantin Stog yes you can but then you must accept any consequences for your actions
@Missy B I wouldn't either, I'm an atheist. You made an assumption based on a stereotype that I should be religious. Bravo.
And you have the right not to. It's your business and your time. Anyone should be entitled to serve whoever he wishes, based on whatever subjective world view they have. It's not about is it ok to be gay or not, it's about freedom of speech, and if I don't want to do something, I cannot be forced to.
@Missy B typical atheist all insults noooooo fact
Missy B Someone was molested as a child.
This baker is amazing. He stood up for what he believes in no matter what it was going to cost him. He could have lost his business he worked hard to have. I respect him and I'm glad he won!
He's going to lose a lot of customers due to this tho, but that's capitalism :^). The government may not be able to screw him, but the citizens' wallets will
Actually, this will probably be great for his business because now you'll have a bunch of bigots flocking there because they want to give him money for fighting for their beliefs. Also, no matter what, it doesn't change the fact that the belief he's fighting for is the belief that he should be able to discriminate against customers based on minority status. He can say 'I make all of these cakes for straight people, but gay people can only buy from these selections in my inventory'. Based on this decision, all discrimination would have to be allowed as long as it was backed up by religious conviction, which would essentially allow all religious discrimination since that is almost always motivated by religious conviction.
Actually pixieofthewoods the bigots will be boycotting
NinjaBryden I would patronize his business then fist bump him before leaving his store.
Yes he stood up for what is right, he was not a coward at all, we live in a world that wants to destroy what god condems
Free country, free people, right decision !
Joseph M yes, free for everyone except gay people.
@@mylifepostpain3705 Man this was a year ago
Pride Princess Same goes for religion
Periodt poo No same does not go for religion. You should be free to practise whatever religion you want. However, your religious views are not so important that they should affect what services a total stranger can or cannot receive.
@@southwestlondonerbrown2737 yeet mcleet
As a gay man i dont wanna force any body to do any thing for me in the name of love because its going to create mooore hate
Also it's not like he hated gays he just didn't support the lifestyle.
Jesus loves you
To late. 5-6 years ago I was an "ally."
Today I have nothing but hate for you and your kind. Your kind are actively making pedophilia into an acceptable part of the LGBTQIA+2SMAP. Did I get all of that right?
Christians don't hate gays. We dont hate anyone. We believe that your soul is in danger because being gay is sinful. We're worried about you. And when people ask us to participate in things like this, we get worried about the safety of our souls if we participate.
The "Christians" who hate people and are really mean and violent are NOT practicing what JESUS teaches. The mean and violent "Christians" are not really Christians. Real Christians love you. We hate the sin, not the person. And we believe that non repented sin puts everyone doing it in danger of going to hell.
A lot of Christians have had paranormal experiences and have witnessed real miracles from GOD and we know for a fact that GOD is real and the Bible is true. And thats why we cling to our beliefs so strongly. Even if everyone thinks we're crazy. We know we aren't. GOD IS REAL ❤❤❤ JESUS LOVES YOU ❤❤❤❤
God Bless you for your honesty. Your still loved for the amazing human being you are GOD BLESS YOU
I hope they make the gay couple pay for the baker's legal fees!
And compensation for all the stress they caused that poor man
So basically he gets to discriminate and get his legal fees paid for? I’m sorry but fuck right off with that. If you choose to act like a dick then YOU PAY the consequences. By denying them based on gender (and it was based on gender) and sexuality he was being immoral. If you insist on being immoral and holding immoral views then you pay the consequence.
@@mylifepostpain3705 not really he does not belive in homosexuales getting married and by the way colorado does not allow them to get married he does not refuse service he just does not make cakes to them
@@mylifepostpain3705 your an idoit. They were trying to push their sexuality onto this religious man. If you don't like it go somewhere else. they are trying to force this man to do something that they don't want to do I'm pretty sure that's called rape. Now if this is okay I feel like rape should be okay that no woman should refuse a man sex.
Ryan Whitehead what the fuck? You say I’m an idiot (very funny coming from someone who cannot even spell the word idiot correctly) then in the next sentence you accuse them of raping him. Rape is a physical sexual attack. These guys didn’t even touch him they just gave him the finger and left.
I'm honestly surprised to hear that the Supreme Court did the right thing and upheld the Constitution... I was so use to hearing the opposite during the Obama years.
Tobias Forge if they didn’t d he could easily sue for religious freedom abuse
The Supreme Court saw the case for what it was: liberals abusing the system to harass a dissenter.
Gay rights bitch
Clayton Hess Just like Christians have been doing for decades
And so it was right to ban Trump from Twitter
I can fix this problem with this alternative scenario:
-Gay Couple: Excuse me, sir. We're getting married and we'd like you to make us a custom wedding cake.
-Cakeshop Owner: Sorry, I can't do that. It contradicts with my faith as a Christian, but I'll be more than happy to sell you something else.
-Gay Couple: No thanks. We'll just go somewhere else that will make us a cake.
Boom! Problem solved.
Nah, they needed the attention. It's like water to them.
I agree 💯%
As a bi poly woman I would have simply took my business elsewhere! Periodttt he has rights too!!! 🗣 I said what I said🗣
Exactly!
They need attention and they don't understand what "No" means.
Quit being butt-hurt! The world doesnt revolve around you! There still people that have morals and a different way of being....
Missy B your religion is not my religion... get it right
Missy B I think you need to reconsidered what religions you are heading into... if a church that is based on a religion tells you to hate gay people, then, they are very wrong...
Missy B maybe bc this video is not about that... anyways I'm going to sleep baaaiiiii
This is not a moral issue,that is basically a discriminatory statement right there. This was just a case where a man was not refusing service to be discriminatory but refusing service on the grounds that their request was in conflict to his religious beliefs ,he welcomed their patronage of any other goods in his store at any time but the same sex wedding cake he could not do.
Missy B
Rude much
Dont know why they couldnt just buy a really good looking cake and then just decorate it themselves? He offered to make a regular cake and sell them the shit to make it look like a wedding cake. Funny how every news outlet ignores that.
MidlightStar he was trying to meet them half way, that's a fair deal.
Ray it's not it's just plain stupid he could have gotten money and now his business is going to turn to shit
Based on the massive amount of conservatives who went to his business to buy products from him after the win, I doubt that he will go out of business.
GreyWolfLeaderTW he will in a few months now that he's won no one has no need to go to his shop unless you are buying a shit ton of cake everyday
jade hardy do you live in the area? Do you know what kind of people live there? What evidence do you have to support your claim? 😂
You can’t be mad at the man for his faith and belief!
Too many people want everyone to do things to make them feel good (the world)!
NaturalElicia not mad just disappointed that he can discriminate because this court ruling opens the door to even worse bigotry in the name of religion.
Linda Goodwin his buisness his rules.😂
Doesn't matter if his opinion is bigoted, it is non-sequitur to his rights as a human being. It is his bloody right as a business owner to refuse patronage from or to hire any person for any reason. It is the Right of Freedom of Association. Business by definition requires voluntary transaction and cooperation.
Anything else is an element of the Centralized Economic Planning and Forced Labor that led to the evils of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.
GreyWolfLeaderTW what?? When the government steps in and tells a private business who they have to bake for that sounds like socialist Germany or The Soviet Union. I’m not comparing lgbt to nazis but you wouldn’t want to bake a cake that celebrates nazis would you? Read the first amendment. You can force someone to do something that goes against their religious convictions. If you want to boycott or shame the business that’s fine. Criticize it all you want, but the government doesn’t need to get involved in this
GreyWolfLeaderTW it has nothing to do with bigotry. That baker never said he hated the couple. He just did not want to do something that celebrates something that goes against his religious convictions.
If someone won't make you a cake then find another person that will instead of killing his business because you're offended
Well I would honestly be offended if they didn't want to serve simply because I'm gay, or black, or jew. It's religion freedom but at the same time discrimination ?
;-;
@@mrquack6469 Not everyone in the world will like you for something get over it.
I’m and atheist and will respect others religious beliefs and will always support gay marriage but if the store owner doesn’t want to make them a cake for their gay marriage that is ok it’s his store and he’s not kicking them out he just doesn’t want to go against his beliefs I think the gay couple are in the wrong for trying to push their sexuality on him by taking it to court its understandable to be offended but to take it to court is too far
Custom creations are a form of speech and to have the government force someone to endorse something that they don't support is unconstitutional
@@mrquack6469 he said he would serve them just not a gay wedding cake
All these delicate people. You cant always have things your way. I'm glad this guy won. The gay's rights shouldn't affect the Baker's rights. People that get offended this easy, is beyond crazy.
The constitution says “Every person is equal before the law”. It is important for all the people to be equal so that they do not have discrimination against each other. Then every citizen have equal rights and opportunities. There will be no creation of any type of stereotype or prejudice.
@@palaceofgnosis9941 Being equal before the law DOES NOT imply what you're suggesting. Quite contrary, there's something called First amendment and it protects exactly against this type of hostile behavior. These people are literally crying on national tv because someone wouldn't make them the exact cake they wanted. Do you understand how ridiculous that is?! It shouldn't even be discussed publicly if we are to retain sanity in this society.
@@prochuba It looks like a kids cake with different colors in it,nothing perverse.
@Palace of Gnosis That's fantastic. You're not equal. You're a cancer on society. A mentally ill cloud of weakness.
@@DS-lk3tx Damn,your obnozious and rude...
First world problems....
“They are still sorting through their emotions”
*OF COURSE THEY ARE THEY ALWAYS ARE LMAO*
All I have to say to the couple is stop crying and go to the another baker
Your not seeing the point here. The point is that liberals simply hate what is a different opinion than there's and instead of doing THE RIGHT THING and just finding another baker, they would rather ruin a man's passion because of their hateful agenda. thats what liberalism is...it's about intolerant hate for anything that doesnt follow their belief system
@@jshar74823 liberals are cancer
@@krishma15 The left is cancer. Don’t mix liberals with such scum
Thank you
@@jshar74823 I'm dying bi ur comment
Hate to say this but based on the comments I've seen in the video majority of the LGBT community does not want to respect the faith and religious belief of the baker. I have a high respect to the community but with regard to this matter, they should know how to give respect to other people. LGBT wants equality and respect, thus, they should also give it to other people.
some of them only want equality when it's convenient for them
Yes
The LGBT community don't want tolerance, they never had, they want one way compliance, as they clearly don't give a rats ass about other peoples convictions.
practice what you preach.
Fragile drama queens.
😂👍
There's an important thing to remember here
He didn't refuse service because they were gay
He refused to make a product for an event he didn't agree with
This is about the product not the people, and so is not discrimination
He didn't tell them to get out of his store because he didn't like gays, he merely refused to make a custom made cake.
Which he has every right to do
I don't respect him, but support his stance. I do think this man is a bigot that views gay men as less then worthy of service than his other customers. It's sad that we still live in a world that views gay men as less than straight men. But yes, he still has the right to do what he did.
Bro, ru fucking serious. So if I refused to make a custom cake for a black couple because I think white people are better, and those are just my beliefs, that's not discrimination?
@@evansullivanrichgels5531 he said he would make them any sort of cake EXCEPT NOT a wedding cake. You didn’t make an equal comparison.
@@evansullivanrichgels5531 no it’s not thats a bad analogy it would be like refusing to make a BLM cake if the baker didn’t support the movement
He is a baker
He refused to make them a cake
He refused to serve them
He's a D Bag religious nut job...
If the man doesn't wanna make a cake then he shouldn't have to make it. He isn't a slave to be commanded after all.
Good deal! The gay couple were just looking for an opportunity to cash in.
No
@@Nightcre yes they were
@@Nightcre they try suing him so yeah
Imagine if the baker was a Muslim, who are also against gay marriage XD
Agree
Imagine if the baker refused service to a Christina or Muslim XD
Fun fact: The gay couple drove past SIX Muslim bakeries in their 120-mile journey to the one bakery owned by Christians.
@@lorderik237 obviously didn't want to get shot and get labeled a Islamophobe.
CORRECT!
Why am I seeing a lot of gay people comparing to black people on the section comments?
buck breaking agenda.
i completley agree w the ruling
Score 1 for religious liberty. 🗽
chargers751 the score's 2018 just to be clear
TheLegend69 I stand corrected 😀
chargers751 I'm gay
Big Nigga congratulations, sir.
Victory
Happy about this!!!
Same here.
Deal with it, is he the ONLY cake maker in america!? Fkn drama manufacturing from the "they" crowd AGAIN.
So when black people fought against places of businesses being able to say that their's was a whites only business, they should have just stopped manufacturing drama and found another restaurant?
PixieoftheWood since when is being black the same as being gay?
Emilee Valerie Both are things you are that cannot be changed that people in our society are sometimes judged on despite that trait having nothing to do with who you are as a person and being in no way harmful to those around you.
PixieoftheWood So you’re telling me once I like women I can’t like men? People need to stop using black as a scapegoat for acceptance of their lifestyle. I have no problems with gays but I know that being gay or transgender is not even on the same level as being black or any other minority.
Emilee Valerie Thank you someone who finally gets that being gay is not the same thing as being black. When there is doctor who can change skin color or race please let me know.
If you have the right to refuse giving your body to someone sexually, then you should have the right to deny your labor for anything else involving your body. His hands make the cakes. He didn’t want to use his hands / his body for their services. If a hooker can say no to money, regardless if it hurts your feelings, why can’t he refuse your money? No means no means no. No reason should even have to be given. “No” why? “Don’t want to”. He’s not enslaved to anyone. You can say no to a date, why can’t say no for services without calling it hate? He’s self employed. Why does it matter his reason for declining an order?
Do you think if it was a Muslim bakery this would have even went to court?
There's insanity everywhere.
What has happened to the right to just say know?
Seriously the gay guys need to get over it. It's his bakery his rules.
let me guess, its okay to kick someone out of your business because they're Christian?
*kids dying in iraq
*while in america: GAY COUPLE IS OFFENDED LIKE USUAL BECAUSE THEY DIDNT GET CAKE
Yeah and using Discrimination as an excuse for it too to force a man to make a cake for them is wrong.
This wasn't about a cake. It was about 2 immature man picking a fight! THEY SHOULD pick up the Bill!!! THAT would be just!
Try go grow up before entering a shop!
I Support the Baker. It his Rights to Refuse.
Those who scream the loudest about tolerance seemed to be some of the least tolerant people nowadays
So when we talk about tolerance, we don't mean 'people should tolerate literally anything and just be doormats'. We mean tolerate differences that people can't control or differences that don't lead a person to cause harm to those aroud them. So if someone has a different skin color, or sexual orientation, or a disability, you shouldn't treat them like less of a person because of that. If someone has a difference that isn't causing harm, such as a religion (assuming that they don't adopt religious beliefs that lead them to act in a harmful manner to those around them), then yes, we should tolerate that.
We do not mean that people should tolerate bigotry and intolerance. I've seen people argue that 'well in the big marketplace of ideas, the better ideas will win out, so let them be a bigot', but that's not how it ever works. For example, when you have a message board, and you let people express all political beliefs without criticism, and have a culture where you treat it like neo-nazis are the same as liberal hippie types, soon you only have neo-nazis, because no one else feels safe.
Now, I know you're probably thinking 'but he just didn't want to bake them a cake, he's not a neo-nazi'. The problem is, people in our culture tend to only look for the biggest, loudest bigots, and refuse to see the harm the quiet bigots are doing. They think because someone's not burning crosses or threatening to kill anyone that it means they're not a bigot. He's not *as* bigoted, but the second he decided 'oh, those cakes aren't people like *you*', the baker was giving in to his worst impulses. He can say 'oh, it's my religious beliefs' all he wants, but just as I don't go 'oh, it's a religious thing' when I hear about a teenage girl murdered in an honor killing, I don't care if it's a religious thing when I hear about someone saying 'oh, I'm sorry, we don't serve your kind here'.
imagine being a black baker and a costumer ask you to make a KKK cake for a party
you should have the right to decline the service because of your faith or ideals
the same example can be made with ANYONE
Imagine if a gay baker was asked by someone from Westboro Baptist Church to make a cake saying "God hates f@q$" on it. Whose side would you be on in that case?
As it should be. All restaurants and establishments say, they have the right to refuse anyone service. That includes these people. Stop pushing gay crap down peoples throats. Love the way you want but don’t insist we have to accept it as normal.
SUPPORT THE BAKER
I’m Pro-Gay Rights, but this issue is not one that earns any sympathy.
Because ultimately what are they fighting for?
The ability to Patronize a company that does not support them.
Why not go to a Baker who supports Gays instead.
Ridiculous that it took 6 YEARS for this shit to finally be settled.
Exactly
"The first amendment is more important that LGBTQ+ rights!?@?!
Yes. Yes it is
RIGHT !!!
Yes.he done the right thing.you have the right to refuse service to anyone.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. Dont know about this case in particular but in general, if a business refuses to serve a customer on discriminatory grounds it is illegal.
Spell TV I think I’m not following you. If it’s illegal then why did the Supreme Court side with the baker? Sorry if this was rude.
@@brokenglass8426 . It is law.
@@brokenglass8426 No, because the court sided with him because he didn't have a fair hearing, not because he was right about what he did. The case is not over yet.
It is illegal for an owner to refuse service to someone because they are, for example, black, gay or a woman. If the reason of his refusal has racist roots, its illegal.
If he refuses service to someone because he is out of ingredients or because he knows for a fact the customer cant pay for it, then it is legal
Jimmy Key Ah, my fault. Thank you 🙏 .
Bro those are old schooled people why harass them like that leave them be why don't you go to the KKK clan and harass them for not loving gays stop pushing your agenda on others and ruining businesses. People who act like this towards businesses are selfish.
All you had to do was find a different baker.
asking a christian baker to bake a cake and decorate with homosexual stuff is like asking a muslim chef to prepare pork .
I used to not mind gay people back in the day, but, now with cases like this, I am not only annoyed but I just don't sit with, associate or do anything for them.
My friend and I had a really big fight over this case a year ago
So if the baker refused a black couples cake in religious freedom would that be ok
@@jonathanchowkai3654 uh no, that's an entirely different ball game.
Besides, it is private property he has a right to refuse service. Just go to another bakery.
@@animeloverryan85 but sexual orientation is something someone can’t control also a business is supposed to have a professional relationship with there customers
@@jonathanchowkai3654 it is written in the bible and the guy has a right to express his faith as he sees fit.
Plus, he never refused them service even though he had a right to do so. He offered them cookies or birthday cake, but they took it to the extreme because they didn't get what they want.
They should have just gone to another bakery.
@@jonathanchowkai3654 bro what does race has to do with being gay if someone ask u to make a anti LGBT cake I'm pretty sure u would not do it
Seriously all these people should leave the baker alone. If they demand others to respect their rights, they should respect others too. They could just find another baker to do it. I think they purposely find a devoted Christian person to target. No shame at all. Are you so proud to destroy someone else livehood for your own selfish belief? Everyone has their own beliefs.
That's untrue and I hate that so many people are adding things on to try and make the gay couple look bad. They were directed to that bakery by their wedding planner. The bakery did not advertise itself as a Christian bakery. How would they even know this? Why would you think this was the case when there's no evidence indicating this?
And sure, everyone has their own beliefs, but beliefs are a choice. Sexual orientation is not. Beliefs can change. Sexual orientation cannot. The fact is, neo-nazis and the KKK are just expressing their sincerely held beliefs, but when those beliefs include bigotry, it's no longer a case of 'everyone just has their own beliefs'. The only difference is that in our society, if you say you're a bigot because of your religion, it's suddenly okay.
@@PixieoftheWood @PixieoftheWood sexual orientation is a choice too in my opinion. People can decide what type of sexual orientation they want and change them whenever they decide too. Therefore, this situation has nothing to be compared to KKK. Imagine you ask a orthodox Jews caterer or Muslim caterer to prepare pork dishes. They will surely decline it as it against their religious beliefs. Is not like the Baker person is spewing profanity to the gay couple? He just decline baking the cake because it is against his belief. The gay couple could have respect his decision and went to other bakers. But no. Instead suieng him in court. I believe that bigotry nature fits more to the gay couple since they can't stand others with different opinion and beliefs. They are willing to destroy someone's livelihood. I think they are self centered and they must learn not to victimised themselves. They are not worthy to be called 'victims' when they are the one that are bullying this Baker person.
@@1602aaa It's not really a matter of opinion whether or not sexual orientation is a choice or not. If someone is gay, then they are capable of being sexually attracted to the same sex and not the opposite sex, that is literally what 'being gay' means.
Just to clarify, are you arguing that someone is simply able to change who they are and aren't sexually attracted to whenever they decide? If that is the case, then why would there be a concept of attractive people at all? Why would looks be a criteria for anyone in a partner? Would people not simply date people regardless of attraction, then shift their attractions to whatever their partner looked like?
Also, the caterer example is a terrible comparison. A caterer typically has a menu that one would choose from, so they presumably would not put pork dishes on the menu. Anti-discrimination laws state that one cannot discriminate against people based on their sex, race, or religion. In order for something to be discrimination, one must provide a service or product to one customer, but deny an identical service or product to another customer. My issue with the baker is if a straight couple came in and asked for an identical cake to what the gay couple had tried to order, he'd have served it.
Furthermore, I do not believe it can be considered 'bigotry' when the reason you dislike a person is their opinion. Opinions are what make a person who they are. This is particularly the case when the baker's opinion is that these men are abominations that deserve to burn in hell. He may have been polite about it, and I'd argue that he was as polite as one could possibly be with that opinion, but I would also argue that it is unreasonable to expect someone to be considerate and open minded to the opinion that they are an abomination.
@@PixieoftheWood well it's everyone has a choice who they want to date. Only themselves can determine their own sexual orientation. I have seen people attracted to a person based on personality. How can anyone else decide? Plus you say Baker person mention abomination towards these men and 'these people' should rot in hell. Did you even watch the video? In what context he ever say that these people who don't share the same beliefs as his should rot in hell. Point it out to me.
The couple can always purchase the cake from someone else. You say it's discrimination but everyone has their own principle and beliefs. Then it's a discrimination to the Baker as he wants to practice his Christian faith. I don't see anything wrong with it. Why make a big fuss about it? It's not like there's a law saying 'these people' can't purchase a cake. It's his own personal business. He has every right how he wants to operate. This couple is overreacting.
They did it specifically so they could sue for discrimination & blackmail him. Otherwise they would have gone to a baker who would accommodate them. Notice they didn't go (through 3 states) to a Muslim Baker (and they would never do it).
It's not a vital service that you are obligated by law to provide.
He offered the cake but not the customization (artistic freedom)
Imagine if you sue a Muslim to paint an Muhammad portrait, same here: you violate his freedom to act, artistic freedom & religious freedom.
“There is no peace says the Lord, for the wicked” - Isaiah 48:42
I'm all for LGBTQ+ but I'm on the bakers side.
Haha servers them right they should have stayed in their closet.
Unquestionable right to refuse those fake couples
Before these gays go into the next shop to throw a tantrum over something they didn't get, instead of just going to the next shop,LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, my tip: GROW UP FIRST!!!
It's not discrimination, its religious freedom
Look at those evil spirit forcing their own way to rights of others. Why your rights important over his? You are all insane and psychos. So if someone refused he should go to jail? WTF is logic here.
I'll support him by buying a cake for my birthday if he's still open!
bigots supporting bigots
@@d818581dd shut bigots want to castrate kids
@@d818581dd your.bigot
@@d818581dd fags fucking fags, Go kys honestly.
Gay people and everyone in general need to understand not everyone will like and support them. You can't force people to like and support you.
As a Christian I wouldn't make them a cake either.
Kalau dia gak mau bikinin kuenya kenapa gak pergi ke toko kue lain aja, ribet amet pake dituntut ke pengadilan. Orang amerika terlalu sok sensitif masalah sepeleh gini aja dibesar-besarin.
Excellent news
No ABC,as usualy you got it wrong yet again. The supreme court didnt rule in favor of the baker because the lower court "went about it the wrong way" the supreme court ruled in favor of the baker because it was a case of him exercising his religious belief . He did NOT refuse service to them and politely told them they could have any other cake in his store or any other goods available,but since his faith was in direct conflict with same sex he could not bake a WEDDING cake for two men. That is not discrimination,the gay couple did not have grounds to sue on since their rights were not violated or denied,and THAT is why the supreme court ruled in the bakers favor.
Thank God! We support you Jack! 💕
What's crazy is these ppl trying to force to go against his morals and beliefs.. Get a gay person to make your cake!!!
What if i refused to serve you because you were black.
@@dardick1213 don't compare skin color to lifestyle choices.
@@stopcensorship7705 I'll stop comparing skin color when you stop comparing sexual orientation with "lifestyle choices"
@@stopcensorship7705 you don't choose to be gay
I do not agree with the baker or with discriminaton in generall. I will defend his right to disagree with me though. Thus, i will defend his right to not create something that goes against his beliefs.
The only case one has not the right to deny service is a doctor. Because in this case no service means physical harm.
Great decision! They are correct!
I pray more & more ppl will turn away from sin!
I'm so happy this baker doesn't want to approve of mortal sin. God bless their work and grant the Grace of conversion to all sinners.
We’ve all seen the signs that say “we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone” in businesses. That sign _use to mean_ “anyone” in the literal sense. Unfortunately, now that sign is basically useless thanks to all of the exceptions that have been tacked on through the government. I’m sorry, but I think that _any_ business should be allowed to serve whoever they want to, as well as not being forced to serve someone they _don’t want to,_
We have religious rights too don’t forget I don’t personally give a dang what you do in you’re private time that does not mean I have to believe in what you believe in that’s where America has it messed up at
Good about time.
They could’ve just went to another bakery, honestly, this was taken too far. People have a right to believe how they want, I’m glad they ruled the way they did
It's not even like he refused to serve them he just didn't want to be forced to go against his beliefs. Freedom of religion come before snowflakes feelings
Its a stupid cake i don't think god is going to have a heart attack over two guy's getting a cake. really that guy was a snowflake. Honestly if it was two black couples and he refused it he would've been hanged for it. In a situation like this just change the two to another group of people and he isn't some hero he's a bigot simple as that
@@wolftitanreading5308 he's following his beliefs, and his belief is not in support of gays. He still offered them anything in the shop, just not a custom gay cake.
@@markrogers783 it wasn't a gay cake it was a wedding cake.
@@markrogers783 everybody deserves equal rights though
But he did refuse service. He didn’t make the cake for them 🤔
if the couple got sued this would be a slippery slope. if i went into a gay bakery and said i want a cake that said same sex marrage is a abomination and if they don't I'll sue them. do anyone think that lawsuit should win. i don't think that should win
Thanks ben shapiro
This baker will be getting my business.
Lightning Brigade He wouldn’t get mine. I don’t support any business that doesn’t serve the gay community in the same way that it serves the heterosexual community.
London Girl a man has the right to refuse service to whomever he wants.
The Ü·ber·mensch As sad as it is you are right but that doesn’t mean that I’m not a allowed to disagree with his immoral beliefs and take my business elsewhere. Also, he should be made to stick a sign outside his shop that says I do not serve wedding cakes to gay people because I as the customer have the right to know which kind of business I am supporting.
@@JOJO-sn5zo So, a restaurant can refuse you service because you're a Christian? Or can refuse service to African-Americans?
@@PurplePotato-gr5jk So you favor discrimination? Nice to know.
Keep standing up for the teachings of the Bible sir, god disapproves of gay marriages, god loves gay people but condems homosexuality.
It can't be that hard to find a gay cakemaker.
just down the road.
I’m sorry, those gay men are way too entitled. They preach equality but anyone who has an opposing belief is suddenly discriminating against them.
People are so full of it. They didn't want other couples to have to go through this. Go through what? Call another bakery? Such BS! You know damn well this wouldn"t be a story if the baker was Muslim.
At least The Supreme Court did something right! I’m not against gay, homosexual, trans… but everyone have the right to decide who they make cakes, cookies, bread or whatever. Go to the next bakery and get whatever you want, because this one wont pay your wedding.
They were demanding he create a custom piece of art for them. That's the important distinction.
They could buy any other product in the store, but you can't force an artist to create a piece that goes against their personal tastes, whether it's aesthetic, religious, or otherwise.
So if you went to a bakery and asked them to bake a cake, but they refused to because of your sexuality or gender or race, would you be perfectly fine with that?
@@mrdr0161 you're such an idiot go back in another medical degree, the guy was not denying them service at the same rate the guy was not willing to compromise his moral belief in a marriage and what it means based on Bible standards. Why can't the gays allow what they preach?
@@disappointedkitty7536 don't talk about the bible. Because the Bible doesn't tell you to be be homophobic. There are plenty of religious people who aren't bigots. And it is the same. Someone is being denied service because of their sexuality. It is the exact same as being denied service because of your gender or race or because you're disabled or have green eyes. It's not OK to do. And baking a damn cake is not the same as saying merry Christmas to someone who doesn't celebrate it, because its really not the same
@@disappointedkitty7536 you seem to think the world revolves around religion. It does not. Your beliefs aren't more important than people's identities. In this world, it is immoral to discriminate against people and that's exactly what he did.
Maybe you should take the POV of a gay person , constantly being discriminated by people like you, the people who claim to respect us but yet don't actually show respect and thinks by reading an old book, that gives them the right to say and do whatever they want to people. And just imagine you went into a store, and the owner refused to serve you because you're Muslim. Would you really be ok with that?
@@disappointedkitty7536 you can't respectfully discriminate against someone. Just because he's not yelling at them doesn't mean it's ok. And real people's identities are far more important than a few stories. You seem to believe a religious person can say whatever they want and treat people however they like and it's ok because they obey an old book. Maybe that's how it worked in 15th century, but not in 21st. What you say and do has consequences, no matter what books or Gods you believe in.
The baker had a choice to either not discriminate or dishonor the one who has made the Earth a footstool for his feet. He made the right choice.
Free market, freedom to associate. Which needs to happen much, much more! Nobody has the RIGHT to demand OTHERS be 'tolerant' or accepting of what others do/are.
here's a solution for the gay couple: go to another baker who is willing to serve you
I'm with the baker!
Youre with bigotry, discrimination and segregation
@@mrdr0161
Sounds like you maybe a bigot
@@TrueMohax yes I'm a bigot for wanting equality and being against discrimination
@@mrdr0161
Neither of which is a problem in this case
@@mrdr0161 your a bigot
They should go to an Islamic baker and "Demand" he/she make them a "Gay themed cake".... would the mainstream media and leftists choose the gay couple or the Islamic baker?
As the saying goes..."you can't have your cake and eat it"
Do you go to Jewish bakery and ask them to make Third Reich. Or African American bakery ask to make a cake for KKK party. For a people who fought for the right freely speak,love,think. Are trying to force people deny their own ideology
He only said he won’t bake a cake for their marriage. He didn’t say he won’t serve them completely.
Imagine if someone when to a black gay bakery and asked them to make an anti-gay racist cake. Of course the business has the right to refuse business to anyone.
VICTORY !
Here’s my philosophy on this
A business, by default, can refuse anyone they want. Customers are using their property, services, and resources before any investment is done by default.
The business can refuse anyone, let the invisible hand of economics determine if they succeed or not. This isn’t a problem for the government, go to another bakery.
This isn’t legal discrimination that denies basic human rights, it’s his religious beliefs so just accept his terms and go somewhere else.
However, which didn’t happen in this case but I will state anyway, when a customer invest its capital resources into said business and expect a returned service, you cannot take the money and deny them then and there because it is an unequal exchange of value.
Christians have rights to fight for our beliefs. Buy cake from Walmart, eat it and call it a day.
So you're a Christian? So if you went into a store and you were refused service because you're Christian, would you perfectly OK with that?
The baker was off that day, at a straight pride parade. 🗽🎶
Do I have to sell dynamite to an arsonist? Nope. Same thing.
😂😂
Arsonist are not protected under the civil rights act.
Gender identity is.
From both a moral and spiritual and ethical standpoint, there are certainly "some" things that are in the same category as "dynamite". I'm not going to sell dynamite to an arsonist, nor am I going to make and sell a wedding cake to a couple of gay men. Homosexuality is an abomination to God, no matter what laws men may make. Now if they pulled up to a gas station I owned, yes, I would most surely sell them gas. That would not be an issue. But if some 8 year old pulled up in his parents car and said, "Filler up." Um, I would most certainly and obviously decline such a request.@@abel3557
Listen listen there are plenty of shops that exclusively make cakes for gay weddings at a certain point it goes beyond them fighting for justice and moves into forcing their beliefs on someone and strong arming him into denouncing his beliefs in place of theirs
So you excuse discrimination...glad to know youre a bigot
Trump 2020
Yeaa we should love ome another but not their sins😇. So the thing over here is this that We can love everyone even the murderes but that doesnt mean that we should participate there iniquity works too . I respect both the boys but not that what they think is okay (Same sex marriage).
Supreme court 100% did right thing. Can't force someone to send a message, celebrate or participate in an event, or use artistic expression. Those are compelled speech and not just basic products.
They should've gone to a muslim baker to make their gay demands.