Call me cynical but I don't think it's a weird choice. I think it's a very intentional choice. They throw in the coins to make the base package seem deluxe but then charge a premium for the actual useful upgrade. Subtle salesmanship at its finest.
Actually I'm glad they did for one big reason. The monastery tiles that come with the base have the description on the back. The acrylics do NOT. That alone was a deal-breaker for me with the acrylics, since I very frequently am teaching games to new players, and it is *exhausting* constantly having to go over what those yellow tiles do.
WTF? He talked to me specifically?! :) Ya, I'm keeping my pledge. You are completely right about a few of these. Not only did they mess up the board numbers not being in a circle, but the game mat graphic just shows all 6s. Very sloppy. In BoardGameCo's interview with AR, they said their first priority is graphics and being eye catching, and then AFTER THAT they worry about gameplay and rules. That is probably the companies biggest problem, putting eye candy over the main purpose of games: gameplay.
Totally agree with you on point 3. I would rather have acrylic tiles over metal coins. That would be a better value for the deluxe edition. I don’t really care about metal coins especially for this game. But I still backed it because this is my favorite board game.
I don’t have a fear of missing out for this one. I just have a “is this game I enjoy worth upgrading if I plan on playing it for years”. I know it is a very unnecessary luxury purchase, but sometimes that’s okay. (if you have the budget for it) I’m still undecided. Gonna finish watching this video and see how strong your powers of persuasion are. Well, the biggest reason for me is still the price considering I already own the anniversary edition. I know I could buy 2-3 other games with that money and have totally unique experiences versus 1 really deluxe one that I already have. Overall; still undecided but not currently backing
Yeah, I'm so surprised there are this many people pulling the trigger on it honestly especially because likely everyone who wanted an upgraded version would have already upgraded a couple years ago.
@@RoomandBoardReviews it’s the art. We’ve complained about it so long that we would feel like hypocrites if we didn’t buy it now. Just wondering if they will release a retail version with this art and lacking the metal coins, stretch goals, and minis. May be a way to get the nicer art and sell my old version to go towards it.
@@codym6376 This would be awesome. I don't currently have the game and I'm not going to back this over deluxified version, but having the new art would be nice.
I was one of the ppl pushing for a no minis version and I'm extremely disappointed that it doesn't come with a smaller box and shopping cost. That and the fact that for 90 euros plus shipping in getting cardboard tiles and would have to pay 33 euros extra for acrylic tiles made this tier completely ridiculous. Not very happy, but what can you do
This was an instant back for me. I’m so glad they have a tier with no minis. It’s my all time favourite game whose biggest flaw, in my opinion, was the awful artwork ….. but it won’t be a flaw for long!!!
Yeah this was one of the easiest campaigns to skip. I will continue to place my Ravensburger version on the pedestal of top tier fugly Euros. Deluxification should only add more brown hues.
I wanted to buy Castles of Burgundy for a long time and when I saw the campaign, I immediatly followed. But once it launched, I lost my interest. Sure the game is great, but more than double the price is too much. Sure making different artworks and let people decide which shall be used, costs money. Sure the 3D castles have to be designed. Sure there was a new desine and a double layer board. Sure there is a new expansion. Sure there are metal coins. But I am not interested in most of the stuff. For me the old artwork was not perfekt, but seemed fine. Double layer boards can be useful, but not for this game. The only thing I think is cool, are the bags and the acrylics (which cost as much as a used copy of the game)... It is a great game and I am sure people will enjoy it. But this version is simply not for me. Maybe there will be a normal prices retail version without the metal coins
I'm backing it because a) I want all the expansions in one collective look alike box... but also because of the larger boards and pieces as well as the recessed played boards. That's pretty much it. I have just the base game in its original format and one of the promo expansions right now. I don't like playing boardgames online particularly, so point 2.5 isn't really important. I don't have any fomo for this. I just think it would be nice to have. I don't have a problem with point salad games. I have plenty of other games where points are hard to come by with deep weighty crunchy thinking. I also don't worry about AP. For me, the longest I ever really spend on a turn is about 2 minutes, and most of the time my turns are less than 1 minute long. And if it takes my friends a bit longer to think of what to do, I can remind them "It's a point salad. There's probably no wrong answer. This isn't chess." As for the acryllic? That's a biiig upgrade. Yes, it's nice to get the tiles in acryllic, but that massively bumps weight and production. It should be optional. So should the coins.
9:35 yeah, kind or surprised AR touched this one. This game did NOT need minis etc. Honestly Mythic Games could've done this game but then we'd never see it. :)
This is a beautiful.... beautiful version of a classic game. Whether it be the wrong reason or not, I've backed this because it will be the centerpiece of my game collection. It'll absolutely get played, because I would find reasons to bring it to the table just to show off lol
I havent backed it for the same reasons and I dont regret it at all. I am perfectly fine with my classic copy from second hand. Had so much fun with it and I definitely will in future!
5 - Point salad is a reason to get it...i love the balancing act of where to give and get points. (and Point Salad is a very fun filler) 4 - AP...not a factor. This just means the game takes some thought and is a plus. 3 - Acrylic. Personally, i am fine with the cardboard, so happy i dont have to buy them. The metal coin point is valid, though unlike acrylic, i do like the metal coins, and i typically dont get them due to cost. I have poker chips for money in games if needed. 2 - 2019 version. Yes, cheaper. Its a viable option. I have the original with most expansions, but considering getting the new version (classic) since this is a top 5 game for both my wife and I. 2.5 - Online...bleh. I like the art for the first version over the second version. 1 - Over-produced Most likely. and yes, the 4 and 6 need to be swapped on the main board. I cannot imagine this wont be changed in the future. For all I know is the 4 and 6 (or the 1 and 3) were swapped accidentally in the art production. yep...no need for minis, but having larger tiles (old eyes) and the vineyards expansion (hope to see rules soon) are very much a draw for me. BONUS : who knows. just evaluate the cost / benefit analysis and make a decision. There are 18 days or so to go, with 9 more reveals, so i have lots of time to make a final description.
Yeah I'm very interested in the reveals and the rules to Vineyards. I expect the remainder will be upgraded first player token, an unnecessary ship mini add-on, maybe find a way to upgrade some of the other tokens. I'm having a hard time guessing what they will be, since I assume you can't improve the thickness of tiles because you want people to go for that acrylic option.
I'm so glad i found this video, last night with 8 hours to go before campaign ended. I really liked all your points. They were very valid with reflection of benefit breakdown and why one would appreciate or not aspects of this deluxe version. In the end I got the top edition with all the minis and everything, but your video helped me get there by analyzing why one would or would not want a set like this when a players set is cheaper and maybe more efficient for play. So this was perfect video for me to stop before committing and asking what my expectations and options are, and pledge knowing I wanted a pretty center piece game to play with family and friend. So video did it's job getting me to make a pledge decision with a good amount of reflection on what I wanted, and what was available. So thanks!!!!!
You sir, are horrible. How could you destroy Castle of Beargundy? That kind of senseless violence will not be tolerated by the animal pun community. Please, let minnow what you think.
I'm not backing, mainly because they do not have an Affordable, Retail Version of this game. With just the bare bones, no add ons, no Plastic Castles, just the game wit the new art. Something around $60-$70. But the $95 Base Game is just Ridiculous and kind of feels Greedy!
Was fun coming across this after having already backed the 2nd printing, but ALSO just getting to play with a friend's copy of the Special Edition. 1. Point Salad - I'm baffled a bit at this being a negative, as it just has never seemed to be for people I play with. Most love that you are constantly moving around the board and some players don't even care by how much, they just have their own goals and are happy wherever they land. 2. AP - true, it can be particularly for newer board games. But it drops off fairly quickly with a few game plays and isn't any worse that a lot of other top board games. 3. My friend had the acrylic tiles and I was *really* glad I didn't decide to get them for one big reason - they don't have the hints on the back of the tiles about what they do! After repeating for about the 20th time what some yellow tile on a player's board does, I was 100% satisfied with my choice and knowing that my copy is going to have the hints. Yes, I know there are player aids, it still takes FOREVER to find a specific yellow tile on those particularly if you are new. 4. Yes, I do play on BGA all the time. But like a lot of people, many of my friends will not ever play a game online, and they are even less likely to do so if it's not something they can play quickly in real time. And when I love a game like this one, I love introducing it to new players. And let's face it, that cheap original game is simply not as inviting as this version. The larger, easier to read tiles alone make this worth it to me. 5. They did indeed fix the number not being in a circle. I do somewhat agree with the castle minis not being particularly useful, but having played with them, they don't really block my view of the board enough to bother me, and with the game name including "Castles" it feels pretty thematic to me. They are now offering a terrain upgrade that includes all the other buildings which I think is just totally bonkers and would definitely make the game much harder to play, let alone the annoyance of constantly having to swap your tiles for the terrain ones as you place them.
The price was honestly less than what I was expecting. I'm going to play this one with my wife before the campaign ends and see if she's into it. I really like castles and definitely like what I've seen from the campaign so far (a no mini pledge is awesome!), it still doesn't make sense to back if the game won't see much play. I also agree about the tiles, I'd rather have those than the coins which is probably why they did it.
I think that's exactly why they did it (and likely because the tiles do cost a bit more than the coins included, and they wanted to keep the cost below 100euros when people looked at it iniitially). But when companies do that it puts me off. I dislike the upsell. Board gamers are very good at upselling themselves haha.
Personally I feel like CoB is a testament to game mechanics. It’s a wildly successful game despite it’s infamously bad artwork and component quality. This new version kind of feels like a slap in the face. And considering the climate crisis/rise of shipping cost, it feels like a step in the wrong direction - clearly it’s a lateral move for a publisher like Awaken Realms, but Eagle-Griffon and Bezier have been on the deluxification of successful oop euro games for a minute. I’ll grant that Bezier at least provides a standard option but the general trend legitimately makes me angry. Like am I legit going to be expected to drop $400 on “Harry Potter Zombie-Teutonica” if I want to replace my copy of Hansa in 10 years?
Great video but got it anyway😆I enjoy the cardboard tiles because they have instructions printed on the back. I hear you though and hope they don't wear out too fast.
Overproduced 100%. How do they keep missing this? Castles of burgundy is one of my favourite games of all time, but I cannot understand why they missed the mark with every production of it. The first is still my favourite because at least it's the most understated. I would've gladly participated in a crowd funded upgraded version of it if all they did was slightly improve the components and maybe added tile bags and very simple wooden dice. They shouldve maintained the dilute/understated presentation with maybe just a slightly more elegant touch. It's so frustrating lol!
I'd expected more reasons about this specific version. Some of the reasons feel like you're talking people out of the game itself, not this special version being crowd funded.
I'm late to this Kickstarter. It's in pre-order now, but it is one of my favourite games to play, but it's just too expensive. If you don't have this game and you can afford it, then yes, buy the game, but I have the anniversary version and am content. I've made bags for the tiles and I could sticker the backs if I wanted to, but the game is fine. Although, I did see someone make clay workers to replace the tiles, and that may be enough to bling my copy. I agree with everything you say, but although it's a pretty sweet looking new version, I just can't justify the cost. Oh, and I just subscribed so yeah me for that.
Hello from Vancouver. Ya, it is all down to FOMO. I have been following the project from day 1. In the end, I am just ganna let it go. I know this KS edition will just end up sitting on the shelf anyways.
I’m backing the base game. Cause I don’t want my view on the board obstructed. Why am I backing? The user-friendly larger tiles with text, and the bags. I don’t even want the expansions but oh well
The original game, even with a few of the mini-expansions, is fine as it is. I do understand people's complaints about the dull colors of the boards and pieces. I personally don't see it when I play, because it's the game I learned on, and play often. There's a certain charm to it, in fact. I'm glad that new versions are bringing new players to the game. It's one of the greats. Less plastic would be ideal.
Clickbait title!? Negativity does pull in people.. Still, should have been something like "5 Reasons why you should consider backing : Castles of Burgundy". Anyway, no dislike because content was good and message is on point. A little more editing would have been appreciated (at least when talking about things related to the game).
I thought I was going to hear about overpriced shit that's not worth the cost but first argument he makes is that it's a themeless point salad game. You do realize people interested in this video probably already love Cob? Who else would buy such an extravagant production? Of course he does eventually get to what matters. Now, I have to say I'm one of those crazy people who love the pastel colours and humble art of the original alea copy so I'm sticking with it. (though I should probably plan for future wear and tare). I also wanted to say that people who whine about point salad in Feld games don't understand his design philosophy at the time. I feel for them, it's actually pretty anti intuitive. But what they don't get is that when everyone receives points for EVERYTHING, it's the same as not getting points for anything because only your relative position matters. If you look at games like burgundy and trajan, it's actually the moves that give the least amount of points that eventually get you ahead. If you start with animals instead of mines and buildings you're going to be ahead for most of the game but there's no way you'll win.
11:20 Again… Why would that stop someone who already has the game and enjoys it from backing the newest campaign and getting just plain better components for a game they like?! I understand you are trying to dissuade people who haven’t played the game yet from getting into it, but that’s kind of anti- the point…
You know what, you convinced me, i'm not gonna back it. I was waiting to see the strechgoals, i don't have the game but i play it on BGA a lot, i love it. And you made me realise that even if i get it, i might never play it irl because i like the fact that BGA count the points for me and i'm too lazy. xD I don't really care for the extensions nor the bling, i just like nice art and wanted the basegame without anything else. Thank you.
I like metal coins when they're included (though not enough that I ever pay for them), but I completely agree with you that it would be much nicer (and cheaper for backers) to switch the acrylic tiles and metal coins. For me, the big one is your Point 2: this game is already out and available everywhere. Deluxifications are all well and good, but a heavy Euro like this, to me, doesn't benefit from them nearly as much as more thematic games do. Basically, if you've never felt compelled to buy this game before now, there's no reason to suddenly jump all in. And if you already own it: congratulations on having one of the most beloved board games of all time! Why do you need a second copy?
The castle minis could definitely be made differently. They could be flatter. And everything you're saying is so right. If I get this game, I'll get the version without the minis. Save $15 AUD :P. It's just so pretty... Makes me want a Viticulture special edition...
Was introduced to this game over the weekend. We actually played the version you are railing against. I really enjoyed it. Also there were 3 of us and I have to push back a bit about your “the game takes forever” comment. The two I played with were also (fairly) new to the game and their turns were over in record time “ok my turn I’m going to use die 1 to buy, and die 2 to place, that’s my turn you’re up”
You killed that toy almost as quickly as my dog would have... I'm watching Castles of Burgundy. With non-stretch stretch goals every 2 days I'm waiting until the end to make a decision. I may decide it is too deluxified to get. The acrylic tiles sound very nice, but not $35 nice.
What you're saying: " Hi, I am here to talk you out of it. " My Brain: "I buy the shiny thing." XD Jokes aside I really appreciate all your videos and input. I love the game, and its an evergreen that I for see lasting in my collection forever so with that being said I want something that will always look beautiful (and still player accessible) and not suffer through the wear and tear.
You totally missed the point of this Kickstarter. It is clearly not targeted at people who are okay with the classic version. It is for people who just like shiny versions of their game, and for those people reasons you gave are irrelevant.
Wow, you're right, my points 2 and 1 don't talk about the deluxification at all! I have been thoroughly scolded and will change my ways for the future. I think they failed a lot in the design of it, and the deluxifications make the gameplay less quick, intuitive and take away from the experience. You can disagree, and that's fine, but our desire for shiny often supersedes our looking at how the shiny affects the gameplay, and that's what I brought up.
I don’t back kickstarters hardly ever. This is only the third or fourth campaign I’ve actually backed, and it’s because I love the game, and I like the component upgrades. Not necessary, but I’m happy about the campaign and no regrets.
I like the game and have the same version you do. I don't hate the art. In fact I think the art in this new version is less clear in some cases than the original. The castles minis are pointless. I am not sure what the coins even are....was that an expansion thing or are those the silverlings? I was ready to back this but I don't see any real improvement beyond the acrylic tiles and draw bags but I am not willing to spend that much for it. I love double layer boards but never had any issue with things sliding around in this game.
this game is genius, even if it dry and have no theme. This is classic euro game, one of the best. Dislike for this video, cos you dont like euro and not objective
Haha, I own and quite enjoy Castles of Burgundy, as you can see from my well loved copy that I pull out. I accept I'll get dislikes from those who are unable to listen ;)
Looks like a great game but I have never played it. But sounds like a game my wife and would play it. But if I get it I'll just get it off Amazon for 40.
What a great video! Informative and not boring. Also, very smart titling ;) definitely made me click this video first among all other Burgundy options.
Shuddering for the board situation is not overreacting. Slaughtering a stuffed animal is a complete overreaction. Actually, I'm super disappointed you did that. What was the point? It wasn't funny. It was just, well, gross.
Omg! Reason number 3 kills me. I love acrylic tiles but now have to pay for them separately and throw out the cardboard tiles i paid for in the standard box.
This was my first kickstarter/gamefound backing. I was (and still am) pretty excited. While making my decision, I came across your channel and thought, damn there is even a whole 30m rant about why I should not do this :D luckily I quickly saw it was a whole series and subscribed to your channel. You had some valid points, but once I realised other were paying my VAT I was all-in ;-) j/k really looking forward to this game!
Reason 2 - as of last week, mid April 2024,the special edition is out in stores. And guess what ?!? The original version is totally impossible to find, the deluxe edition can still be find on selected websites with a high price tag. Ravensburger Australia does not even list the game anymore on their website! So if you really want COBs, once again in Australia and without having to import, you can pretty much only buy the new super expensive edition. I just find this interesting… like a well layed out marketing plan…
Was backing CoB without mini's. then went with the mini's then cancelled. As much as we enjoy the game, I don't have any of the expansions and don't feel I need them. The larger tiles would have been great and the new artwork is very appealing. Just not CDN$114 + 27EUR appealing. We picked up the 1st edition for CDN$25 and enjoy it just fine.
My life won't be complete until I get my copy of the deluxe edition. In my top 3 favorite games of all time and I want all the long overdue improvements in the look of the game, plus the new vineyard expansion. So THERE!
Never played the game. Ran across this KS version closing soon. Was considering grabbing it but you talked me down. Thank you. I’ll find a used copy to play sometime and see if I like it. Then maybe I can be mad at you for talking me down, lol.
I agree it is over the top and over priced, but for me castles of burgundy is top 5 if not top 3 in my collection so instead of buying new games that I don't know will be good from crowdfunding.(which I have had some regretful backs) I did not hesitate to deluxify or I guess specialify this edition for my collection. But I agree completely it's unnecessary because either edition of the game is fantastic to play
8:48 What?! How dare you! That has nothing to do with this campaign. There are a lot of people who are dumping their old versions of the game - just so they can get this Special Edition of it… and this version plays EXACTLY the same way as those 1st 2 versions - therefore, why would this (your #5 reason) stop me from backing the campaign?
I wanted to 👍 but 666 is so perfect 😂. Thanks for the video anyway (which comes too late for me as I'm just discovering it a few months after having backed, but no regrets haha).
For a game that I've been interested in for a while, but don't have, this looks like a lovely edition for the most part, but it's SO expensive (shipping alone looks like it would cost me around $40-$50 AUD). Add to that some odd choices they're currently showing such as this deluxe special edition not being entirely deluxe (some components are still cardboard), the weird board design as mentioned here, non-stackable victory point tokens, and more, it all feels a little too uncertain of a prospect to me for the price it would cost me. I'm also not a fan of their "unlocked stretch goals" which, from what I can tell, are just timed announcements that were always going to be included and not an actual stretch goal based on anything like money raised or number of backers. Think I'll be sitting this one out and I'll wait and see what becomes of it over the next year or so.
I'm late to the board game hobby, I don't own this game physically, and I love this game on BGA. And I have a thing for upgrading my games as much as possible. It was a no-brainer for me to back this. But you made some valid points for people that had a hard time deciding.
The reason why I backed it, regardless of your points? I looked it up in the Rulebook, so I know for certain, this Game doesn’t have a catchphrase, so if that isn’t a unique selling point, I couldn’t image one!
On the plus side, using the big ass castle minis to block your opponent's view of your board might make board 1 suck a bit less. Yeah, not worth the $125-$180 price just for that. I'll play the flipside of the board instead.
Point 5, 4, has nothing to do with this campaign but rather the game design itself. hopefully I dont see any plush get damaged in other of your video..
I just want a nice looking basic version of the game for 50 dollars. So really I just wanted the anniversary edition to have put a little more effort in the art. The all in does look great and if this was a year ago I would have grabbed this without much thought. Im trying to sell off most of my collection and a over the top 200 dollar version of a 50 dollar game is not going to break my resolve.
100% on the board. The whole board MUST change. for example the new board is not colorblind friendly. The nice insignia for 0/100 point is missing. I loved that and I loved the full circle.
This video is rated PV for Plush Violence.
I hear what you’re saying, but Castles of Burgundy is one of my favourite games and this version looks really shiny and new!
i agree
Totally agree about leaving out the acrylic tiles as part of the deluxe base is weird.I hate metal coins too
Call me cynical but I don't think it's a weird choice. I think it's a very intentional choice.
They throw in the coins to make the base package seem deluxe but then charge a premium for the actual useful upgrade. Subtle salesmanship at its finest.
@@Shoitaan I mean... They're a company and they probably want to make a profit so it makes sense.
Actually I'm glad they did for one big reason. The monastery tiles that come with the base have the description on the back. The acrylics do NOT. That alone was a deal-breaker for me with the acrylics, since I very frequently am teaching games to new players, and it is *exhausting* constantly having to go over what those yellow tiles do.
WTF? He talked to me specifically?! :) Ya, I'm keeping my pledge.
You are completely right about a few of these. Not only did they mess up the board numbers not being in a circle, but the game mat graphic just shows all 6s. Very sloppy.
In BoardGameCo's interview with AR, they said their first priority is graphics and being eye catching, and then AFTER THAT they worry about gameplay and rules. That is probably the companies biggest problem, putting eye candy over the main purpose of games: gameplay.
Haha you betcha! I was stoked that I knew someone who was backer #1. It's something I always strive for if I know I'm wanting to back :)
Congrats, backer #1! 😉
@@RoomandBoardReviews Dang, I tried to be #1, got #36
Totally agree with you on point 3. I would rather have acrylic tiles over metal coins. That would be a better value for the deluxe edition. I don’t really care about metal coins especially for this game. But I still backed it because this is my favorite board game.
Nice. It's a good favourite to have! I am really intrigued to see what new elements the Vineyards will add
I don’t have a fear of missing out for this one. I just have a “is this game I enjoy worth upgrading if I plan on playing it for years”. I know it is a very unnecessary luxury purchase, but sometimes that’s okay. (if you have the budget for it) I’m still undecided. Gonna finish watching this video and see how strong your powers of persuasion are.
Well, the biggest reason for me is still the price considering I already own the anniversary edition. I know I could buy 2-3 other games with that money and have totally unique experiences versus 1 really deluxe one that I already have.
Overall; still undecided but not currently backing
Yeah, I'm so surprised there are this many people pulling the trigger on it honestly especially because likely everyone who wanted an upgraded version would have already upgraded a couple years ago.
@@RoomandBoardReviews it’s the art. We’ve complained about it so long that we would feel like hypocrites if we didn’t buy it now. Just wondering if they will release a retail version with this art and lacking the metal coins, stretch goals, and minis. May be a way to get the nicer art and sell my old version to go towards it.
@@codym6376 the art is bad on this one. They don’t need to release the entire game, they only need to release better tiles.
@@codym6376 This would be awesome. I don't currently have the game and I'm not going to back this over deluxified version, but having the new art would be nice.
sure am looking forward to the flood of people getting rid of their first versions when they upgrade to this one !
I was one of the ppl pushing for a no minis version and I'm extremely disappointed that it doesn't come with a smaller box and shopping cost. That and the fact that for 90 euros plus shipping in getting cardboard tiles and would have to pay 33 euros extra for acrylic tiles made this tier completely ridiculous.
Not very happy, but what can you do
This was an instant back for me. I’m so glad they have a tier with no minis. It’s my all time favourite game whose biggest flaw, in my opinion, was the awful artwork ….. but it won’t be a flaw for long!!!
Haha, not for long! I'm excited for you to own it :)
Yeah this was one of the easiest campaigns to skip. I will continue to place my Ravensburger version on the pedestal of top tier fugly Euros. Deluxification should only add more brown hues.
Castles of Browngundy : The Brown Edition. No colour other than shades of brown ANYWHERE
Reason 6. The board game you are looking for is in a different castle.
I wanted to buy Castles of Burgundy for a long time and when I saw the campaign, I immediatly followed. But once it launched, I lost my interest. Sure the game is great, but more than double the price is too much. Sure making different artworks and let people decide which shall be used, costs money. Sure the 3D castles have to be designed. Sure there was a new desine and a double layer board. Sure there is a new expansion. Sure there are metal coins. But I am not interested in most of the stuff. For me the old artwork was not perfekt, but seemed fine. Double layer boards can be useful, but not for this game. The only thing I think is cool, are the bags and the acrylics (which cost as much as a used copy of the game)...
It is a great game and I am sure people will enjoy it. But this version is simply not for me. Maybe there will be a normal prices retail version without the metal coins
I'm backing it because a) I want all the expansions in one collective look alike box... but also because of the larger boards and pieces as well as the recessed played boards. That's pretty much it. I have just the base game in its original format and one of the promo expansions right now.
I don't like playing boardgames online particularly, so point 2.5 isn't really important.
I don't have any fomo for this. I just think it would be nice to have. I don't have a problem with point salad games. I have plenty of other games where points are hard to come by with deep weighty crunchy thinking. I also don't worry about AP. For me, the longest I ever really spend on a turn is about 2 minutes, and most of the time my turns are less than 1 minute long. And if it takes my friends a bit longer to think of what to do, I can remind them "It's a point salad. There's probably no wrong answer. This isn't chess."
As for the acryllic? That's a biiig upgrade. Yes, it's nice to get the tiles in acryllic, but that massively bumps weight and production. It should be optional. So should the coins.
We'll, I'm getting it because it's cheaper than getting a boat. Besides, I don't really even like to fish.
Ahahaha, I mean, I can't argue with that!
9:35 yeah, kind or surprised AR touched this one. This game did NOT need minis etc. Honestly Mythic Games could've done this game but then we'd never see it. :)
This is a beautiful.... beautiful version of a classic game. Whether it be the wrong reason or not, I've backed this because it will be the centerpiece of my game collection. It'll absolutely get played, because I would find reasons to bring it to the table just to show off lol
Hey as long as it gets played enough for you to feel it's worth it, that's all that matters
I havent backed it for the same reasons and I dont regret it at all. I am perfectly fine with my classic copy from second hand. Had so much fun with it and I definitely will in future!
I backed it. I don’t currently own it and I’ve been waiting for a more aesthetic version. I hope this will be it.
5 - Point salad is a reason to get it...i love the balancing act of where to give and get points. (and Point Salad is a very fun filler)
4 - AP...not a factor. This just means the game takes some thought and is a plus.
3 - Acrylic. Personally, i am fine with the cardboard, so happy i dont have to buy them. The metal coin point is valid, though unlike acrylic, i do like the metal coins, and i typically dont get them due to cost. I have poker chips for money in games if needed.
2 - 2019 version. Yes, cheaper. Its a viable option. I have the original with most expansions, but considering getting the new version (classic) since this is a top 5 game for both my wife and I.
2.5 - Online...bleh. I like the art for the first version over the second version.
1 - Over-produced Most likely. and yes, the 4 and 6 need to be swapped on the main board. I cannot imagine this wont be changed in the future. For all I know is the 4 and 6 (or the 1 and 3) were swapped accidentally in the art production. yep...no need for minis, but having larger tiles (old eyes) and the vineyards expansion (hope to see rules soon) are very much a draw for me.
BONUS : who knows. just evaluate the cost / benefit analysis and make a decision.
There are 18 days or so to go, with 9 more reveals, so i have lots of time to make a final description.
Yeah I'm very interested in the reveals and the rules to Vineyards. I expect the remainder will be upgraded first player token, an unnecessary ship mini add-on, maybe find a way to upgrade some of the other tokens. I'm having a hard time guessing what they will be, since I assume you can't improve the thickness of tiles because you want people to go for that acrylic option.
I'm so glad i found this video, last night with 8 hours to go before campaign ended. I really liked all your points. They were very valid with reflection of benefit breakdown and why one would appreciate or not aspects of this deluxe version. In the end I got the top edition with all the minis and everything, but your video helped me get there by analyzing why one would or would not want a set like this when a players set is cheaper and maybe more efficient for play. So this was perfect video for me to stop before committing and asking what my expectations and options are, and pledge knowing I wanted a pretty center piece game to play with family and friend. So video did it's job getting me to make a pledge decision with a good amount of reflection on what I wanted, and what was available. So thanks!!!!!
21:00 - Gets to the point. And they are good points. But goddamn it took a while to get there.
Thank you for this Video Chris... You helped me resist the pull of the 2nd Reprinting! Your services are appreciated
You sir, are horrible. How could you destroy Castle of Beargundy? That kind of senseless violence will not be tolerated by the animal pun community. Please, let minnow what you think.
Doggone it, I didn't do it on Porpoise! But I would be lion if I said he didn't have it coming.
I'm not backing, mainly because they do not have an Affordable, Retail Version of this game. With just the bare bones, no add ons, no Plastic Castles, just the game wit the new art. Something around $60-$70. But the $95 Base Game is just Ridiculous and kind of feels Greedy!
I played it once on BGA. Now I backed it. Why? F.O.M.O.
Was fun coming across this after having already backed the 2nd printing, but ALSO just getting to play with a friend's copy of the Special Edition.
1. Point Salad - I'm baffled a bit at this being a negative, as it just has never seemed to be for people I play with. Most love that you are constantly moving around the board and some players don't even care by how much, they just have their own goals and are happy wherever they land.
2. AP - true, it can be particularly for newer board games. But it drops off fairly quickly with a few game plays and isn't any worse that a lot of other top board games.
3. My friend had the acrylic tiles and I was *really* glad I didn't decide to get them for one big reason - they don't have the hints on the back of the tiles about what they do! After repeating for about the 20th time what some yellow tile on a player's board does, I was 100% satisfied with my choice and knowing that my copy is going to have the hints. Yes, I know there are player aids, it still takes FOREVER to find a specific yellow tile on those particularly if you are new.
4. Yes, I do play on BGA all the time. But like a lot of people, many of my friends will not ever play a game online, and they are even less likely to do so if it's not something they can play quickly in real time. And when I love a game like this one, I love introducing it to new players. And let's face it, that cheap original game is simply not as inviting as this version. The larger, easier to read tiles alone make this worth it to me.
5. They did indeed fix the number not being in a circle. I do somewhat agree with the castle minis not being particularly useful, but having played with them, they don't really block my view of the board enough to bother me, and with the game name including "Castles" it feels pretty thematic to me. They are now offering a terrain upgrade that includes all the other buildings which I think is just totally bonkers and would definitely make the game much harder to play, let alone the annoyance of constantly having to swap your tiles for the terrain ones as you place them.
Hey this got re-recommended by TH-cam with the new re-campaign running right now. Good job, algorithm
The price was honestly less than what I was expecting. I'm going to play this one with my wife before the campaign ends and see if she's into it. I really like castles and definitely like what I've seen from the campaign so far (a no mini pledge is awesome!), it still doesn't make sense to back if the game won't see much play.
I also agree about the tiles, I'd rather have those than the coins which is probably why they did it.
I think that's exactly why they did it (and likely because the tiles do cost a bit more than the coins included, and they wanted to keep the cost below 100euros when people looked at it iniitially). But when companies do that it puts me off. I dislike the upsell. Board gamers are very good at upselling themselves haha.
I thought this was new, because reprint, because they cross 1 million
8:12 Seems legit. We can be friends now.
I've just received this game, so your video was unsuccessful. Next time give me 6 reasons. It is REALLY nice though.
Buy it! Buy it now! You need mini's! Dang... talked myself into it...
Personally I feel like CoB is a testament to game mechanics. It’s a wildly successful game despite it’s infamously bad artwork and component quality. This new version kind of feels like a slap in the face. And considering the climate crisis/rise of shipping cost, it feels like a step in the wrong direction - clearly it’s a lateral move for a publisher like Awaken Realms, but Eagle-Griffon and Bezier have been on the deluxification of successful oop euro games for a minute. I’ll grant that Bezier at least provides a standard option but the general trend legitimately makes me angry. Like am I legit going to be expected to drop $400 on “Harry Potter Zombie-Teutonica” if I want to replace my copy of Hansa in 10 years?
Great video but got it anyway😆I enjoy the cardboard tiles because they have instructions printed on the back. I hear you though and hope they don't wear out too fast.
Overproduced 100%. How do they keep missing this? Castles of burgundy is one of my favourite games of all time, but I cannot understand why they missed the mark with every production of it. The first is still my favourite because at least it's the most understated. I would've gladly participated in a crowd funded upgraded version of it if all they did was slightly improve the components and maybe added tile bags and very simple wooden dice. They shouldve maintained the dilute/understated presentation with maybe just a slightly more elegant touch. It's so frustrating lol!
I'd expected more reasons about this specific version. Some of the reasons feel like you're talking people out of the game itself, not this special version being crowd funded.
I'm late to this Kickstarter. It's in pre-order now, but it is one of my favourite games to play, but it's just too expensive. If you don't have this game and you can afford it, then yes, buy the game, but I have the anniversary version and am content. I've made bags for the tiles and I could sticker the backs if I wanted to, but the game is fine. Although, I did see someone make clay workers to replace the tiles, and that may be enough to bling my copy. I agree with everything you say, but although it's a pretty sweet looking new version, I just can't justify the cost. Oh, and I just subscribed so yeah me for that.
Hello from Vancouver.
Ya, it is all down to FOMO. I have been following the project from day 1. In the end, I am just ganna let it go. I know this KS edition will just end up sitting on the shelf anyways.
I’m backing the base game. Cause I don’t want my view on the board obstructed. Why am I backing? The user-friendly larger tiles with text, and the bags. I don’t even want the expansions but oh well
The original game, even with a few of the mini-expansions, is fine as it is. I do understand people's complaints about the dull colors of the boards and pieces. I personally don't see it when I play, because it's the game I learned on, and play often. There's a certain charm to it, in fact.
I'm glad that new versions are bringing new players to the game. It's one of the greats. Less plastic would be ideal.
Clickbait title!? Negativity does pull in people.. Still, should have been something like "5 Reasons why you should consider backing : Castles of Burgundy".
Anyway, no dislike because content was good and message is on point. A little more editing would have been appreciated (at least when talking about things related to the game).
I thought I was going to hear about overpriced shit that's not worth the cost but first argument he makes is that it's a themeless point salad game. You do realize people interested in this video probably already love Cob? Who else would buy such an extravagant production? Of course he does eventually get to what matters. Now, I have to say I'm one of those crazy people who love the pastel colours and humble art of the original alea copy so I'm sticking with it. (though I should probably plan for future wear and tare).
I also wanted to say that people who whine about point salad in Feld games don't understand his design philosophy at the time. I feel for them, it's actually pretty anti intuitive. But what they don't get is that when everyone receives points for EVERYTHING, it's the same as not getting points for anything because only your relative position matters. If you look at games like burgundy and trajan, it's actually the moves that give the least amount of points that eventually get you ahead. If you start with animals instead of mines and buildings you're going to be ahead for most of the game but there's no way you'll win.
11:20 Again… Why would that stop someone who already has the game and enjoys it from backing the newest campaign and getting just plain better components for a game they like?! I understand you are trying to dissuade people who haven’t played the game yet from getting into it, but that’s kind of anti- the point…
1. I have the game
2. If soemone wants me to lend them money they should pay me interest.
3. No guranateed repaymnet or deliver = no loan...
Bit the bullet and just backed and now selling my new in shrink Anniversary edition.
needs a box cutter safety warning upfront
Definitely agree with coins, don't care for them. Would much rather the acrylic tiles.
my wallet says thank you. my impulse is still annoyed though.
It's going to be the size of two Ark Nova boxes... what a shelf hog!
Omg, what a cruel video, you can't just murder a cuddly toy like that! :O
You are right my game store on line has ten copies for fifty Canadian.
Not backing, I heard the game makes you destroy toys.
You know what, you convinced me, i'm not gonna back it. I was waiting to see the strechgoals, i don't have the game but i play it on BGA a lot, i love it. And you made me realise that even if i get it, i might never play it irl because i like the fact that BGA count the points for me and i'm too lazy. xD I don't really care for the extensions nor the bling, i just like nice art and wanted the basegame without anything else. Thank you.
I like metal coins when they're included (though not enough that I ever pay for them), but I completely agree with you that it would be much nicer (and cheaper for backers) to switch the acrylic tiles and metal coins.
For me, the big one is your Point 2: this game is already out and available everywhere. Deluxifications are all well and good, but a heavy Euro like this, to me, doesn't benefit from them nearly as much as more thematic games do.
Basically, if you've never felt compelled to buy this game before now, there's no reason to suddenly jump all in. And if you already own it: congratulations on having one of the most beloved board games of all time! Why do you need a second copy?
The castle minis could definitely be made differently. They could be flatter. And everything you're saying is so right. If I get this game, I'll get the version without the minis. Save $15 AUD :P. It's just so pretty... Makes me want a Viticulture special edition...
Ready to watch this now that I've just bought a bunch of new dnd stuff 😬
Was introduced to this game over the weekend. We actually played the version you are railing against. I really enjoyed it.
Also there were 3 of us and I have to push back a bit about your “the game takes forever” comment. The two I played with were also (fairly) new to the game and their turns were over in record time “ok my turn I’m going to use die 1 to buy, and die 2 to place, that’s my turn you’re up”
Glad you had a good time!
Already NOT backed ! ;)
You killed that toy almost as quickly as my dog would have... I'm watching Castles of Burgundy. With non-stretch stretch goals every 2 days I'm waiting until the end to make a decision. I may decide it is too deluxified to get. The acrylic tiles sound very nice, but not $35 nice.
Gonna wait for Castles of Ron Burgundy
It’s kind of a big deal.
What you're saying: " Hi, I am here to talk you out of it. "
My Brain: "I buy the shiny thing." XD
Jokes aside I really appreciate all your videos and input. I love the game, and its an evergreen that I for see lasting in my collection forever so with that being said I want something that will always look beautiful (and still player accessible) and not suffer through the wear and tear.
5:44 You are just making me more excited for this version of the game, Chris! I guess I can stop watching the video now… You did a good job! :-
so base game and maybe add the tiles.
Big Box was on my list but this made me think if I should wait and see it if reached retail
You totally missed the point of this Kickstarter. It is clearly not targeted at people who are okay with the classic version. It is for people who just like shiny versions of their game, and for those people reasons you gave are irrelevant.
Wow, you're right, my points 2 and 1 don't talk about the deluxification at all! I have been thoroughly scolded and will change my ways for the future. I think they failed a lot in the design of it, and the deluxifications make the gameplay less quick, intuitive and take away from the experience. You can disagree, and that's fine, but our desire for shiny often supersedes our looking at how the shiny affects the gameplay, and that's what I brought up.
10:22 who's line is it, anyway?
I don’t back kickstarters hardly ever. This is only the third or fourth campaign I’ve actually backed, and it’s because I love the game, and I like the component upgrades. Not necessary, but I’m happy about the campaign and no regrets.
Awesome I hope you love it!
I also found a nice catchphrase: "And remember, between room and board, size doesn't matter"
Downvote for destroying a helpless plushie. Otherwise pretty helpful video :D
You should have seen what he had been getting up to off camera! You'd be calling me a hero!
I like the game and have the same version you do. I don't hate the art. In fact I think the art in this new version is less clear in some cases than the original. The castles minis are pointless. I am not sure what the coins even are....was that an expansion thing or are those the silverlings? I was ready to back this but I don't see any real improvement beyond the acrylic tiles and draw bags but I am not willing to spend that much for it. I love double layer boards but never had any issue with things sliding around in this game.
I think the metal coins are the silverlings. And yeah, this is never a game where I'm worried about things sliding around or it being finicky at all
this game is genius, even if it dry and have no theme. This is classic euro game, one of the best. Dislike for this video, cos you dont like euro and not objective
Haha, I own and quite enjoy Castles of Burgundy, as you can see from my well loved copy that I pull out. I accept I'll get dislikes from those who are unable to listen ;)
Okay, got your point... but please stop ripping stuffed animals apart 😿
Haha I'm sorry! I was pressured into it!
Looks like a great game but I have never played it. But sounds like a game my wife and would play it. But if I get it I'll just get it off Amazon for 40.
Definitely the right call, I think
That knife bit was stupid.
@@jasona8396 nah
Love your videos for the constructive criticism and the humor
What a great video! Informative and not boring. Also, very smart titling ;) definitely made me click this video first among all other Burgundy options.
Hey, thanks so much, I really appreciate that :)
Well that got dark.
To late for me lol
That poor bear!
Awesome review! I always love to listen to them to know if I'm going too much FOMO! :)
Thanks :) I'm glad it's helpful
it shouldnt take 8 minutes to get to your content
Spoiler alert - it didn't....
Shuddering for the board situation is not overreacting.
Slaughtering a stuffed animal is a complete overreaction.
Actually, I'm super disappointed you did that. What was the point? It wasn't funny. It was just, well, gross.
Omg! Reason number 3 kills me. I love acrylic tiles but now have to pay for them separately and throw out the cardboard tiles i paid for in the standard box.
Why would you ever throw them out?! Glue them to the back of a shadow box and hang your art piece in your games room!! :D
@@northernbeadle 🤔 Not a bad idea 😅
@@northernbeadle That's a great idea!
Just keep the cardboard ones as backups in case you lose a tile.
Excellent!! Thank you for making me consider more carefully for the 2nd run!
This was my first kickstarter/gamefound backing. I was (and still am) pretty excited. While making my decision, I came across your channel and thought, damn there is even a whole 30m rant about why I should not do this :D luckily I quickly saw it was a whole series and subscribed to your channel. You had some valid points, but once I realised other were paying my VAT I was all-in ;-) j/k really looking forward to this game!
Reason 2 - as of last week, mid April 2024,the special edition is out in stores. And guess what ?!? The original version is totally impossible to find, the deluxe edition can still be find on selected websites with a high price tag. Ravensburger Australia does not even list the game anymore on their website! So if you really want COBs, once again in Australia and without having to import, you can pretty much only buy the new super expensive edition. I just find this interesting… like a well layed out marketing plan…
Was backing CoB without mini's. then went with the mini's then cancelled. As much as we enjoy the game, I don't have any of the expansions and don't feel I need them. The larger tiles would have been great and the new artwork is very appealing. Just not CDN$114 + 27EUR appealing. We picked up the 1st edition for CDN$25 and enjoy it just fine.
My life won't be complete until I get my copy of the deluxe edition. In my top 3 favorite games of all time and I want all the long overdue improvements in the look of the game, plus the new vineyard expansion. So THERE!
Never played the game. Ran across this KS version closing soon. Was considering grabbing it but you talked me down. Thank you. I’ll find a used copy to play sometime and see if I like it. Then maybe I can be mad at you for talking me down, lol.
I agree it is over the top and over priced, but for me castles of burgundy is top 5 if not top 3 in my collection so instead of buying new games that I don't know will be good from crowdfunding.(which I have had some regretful backs) I did not hesitate to deluxify or I guess specialify this edition for my collection. But I agree completely it's unnecessary because either edition of the game is fantastic to play
8:48 What?! How dare you! That has nothing to do with this campaign. There are a lot of people who are dumping their old versions of the game - just so they can get this Special Edition of it… and this version plays EXACTLY the same way as those 1st 2 versions - therefore, why would this (your #5 reason) stop me from backing the campaign?
I wanted to 👍 but 666 is so perfect 😂. Thanks for the video anyway (which comes too late for me as I'm just discovering it a few months after having backed, but no regrets haha).
For a game that I've been interested in for a while, but don't have, this looks like a lovely edition for the most part, but it's SO expensive (shipping alone looks like it would cost me around $40-$50 AUD). Add to that some odd choices they're currently showing such as this deluxe special edition not being entirely deluxe (some components are still cardboard), the weird board design as mentioned here, non-stackable victory point tokens, and more, it all feels a little too uncertain of a prospect to me for the price it would cost me. I'm also not a fan of their "unlocked stretch goals" which, from what I can tell, are just timed announcements that were always going to be included and not an actual stretch goal based on anything like money raised or number of backers.
Think I'll be sitting this one out and I'll wait and see what becomes of it over the next year or so.
I'm late to the board game hobby, I don't own this game physically, and I love this game on BGA. And I have a thing for upgrading my games as much as possible. It was a no-brainer for me to back this. But you made some valid points for people that had a hard time deciding.
This probably still applies....?
You bet!
@@RoomandBoardReviews you basically saved me $160, thank you!
The reason why I backed it, regardless of your points? I looked it up in the Rulebook, so I know for certain, this Game doesn’t have a catchphrase, so if that isn’t a unique selling point, I couldn’t image one!
On the plus side, using the big ass castle minis to block your opponent's view of your board might make board 1 suck a bit less.
Yeah, not worth the $125-$180 price just for that. I'll play the flipside of the board instead.
Point 5, 4, has nothing to do with this campaign but rather the game design itself. hopefully I dont see any plush get damaged in other of your video..
I just want a nice looking basic version of the game for 50 dollars. So really I just wanted the anniversary edition to have put a little more effort in the art. The all in does look great and if this was a year ago I would have grabbed this without much thought. Im trying to sell off most of my collection and a over the top 200 dollar version of a 50 dollar game is not going to break my resolve.
100% on the board. The whole board MUST change. for example the new board is not colorblind friendly. The nice insignia for 0/100 point is missing. I loved that and I loved the full circle.