In chapter 228 Gojo made it clear that Sukuna was taking riskier options during their domain clashes despite the fact that Gojo switch the internal and external conditions of his domain's barrier all so he could get Mahoraga to adapt to infinite void, and since it took 3 minutes for both domains to collapse (malevolent shrine collapsing do to Gojo dealing enough damage to Sukuna) means if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he could have collapsed Gojo's domain from the inside and brake it in less than 3 minutes before Gojo could damage him and keep repeating it until Gojo fries his brain to the point where he would not only be unable to existent his domain but he's R.C.T wouldn't be as fast as it was before. Also another risk that Sukuna was taking was not using "domain amplification" to nullify/minimize the effectiveness of Gojo's techniques during the 3rd and 4th domain clashes because it would have interfered with Mahoraga's adaptation, so if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he would have double down on DA during the domain clashes which would have prevented Gojo from dealing enough damage to Sukuna to the point where he wouldn't be able to maintain "Malevolent Shrine". Also keep in mind that Sukuna's secondary pair of hands and his second mouth would allow him to invoke incantation and hand signs which will increase the effectiveness of his techniques. So yeah even without the 10 shadows Sukuna would have still won.
So Sukuna went into megumi's body to use the ten shadows and mahorogas dharma wheel just to Nerf himself? Really? You know that the six eyes significantly reduce his curse energy usage and he would constantly be refreshing his brain with RTC soooo...Gojo was beating his buns off when it came to physical confrontations. Not sure him putting more output into those technique would save him. He legitimately "needed" the ten shadow technique otherwise what would be the point of doing all of that?
@@jestapath7373 He took 10 shadows in order to find out a way to upgrade his ct, by watching Mahoraga adapt. Literally opens the fights stating he wants to adapt. When Gojo couldn't open up his domain again and Sukuna thought he could open his, if he wanted to just kill Gojo he would've just opened his domain, but instead he says he would open his domain however will adapt to infinity in the process. Again, before killing him he wanted to adapt.
@@jestapath7373 I thought the same thing as well, but I guess he didn't want to reveal all of the tricks at his disposal in anticipation of getting jumped by the others( as mentioned by Kusakabe )
@@jestapath7373 You aren't getting it, Sukuna needed to put himself in risky situations when using Mahoraga's adaptation ability in order for the adaptation to be effective. Also it was made clear that Sukuna rivals Gojo's six-eyes in curse energy efficiency back in chapter 225, thus just like Gojo the amount of energy Sukuna uses in a fight is infinitesimally close to zero. In regards to the physical aspect of the fight chapter 231 tells us that when Gojo hits someone he codes his hands and feet with lapse blue to strikes stronger than normal, thus if Sukuna uses domain amplification to it fullest he be able to nullify power of Gojo's attacks significantly and would vastly minimize the damage he would have normally taken. Also after the 5th domain clash Gojo wasn't able to extend his domain anymore due to his brain's right frontal cortex sustaining too much stress due to Gojo damageing it with curse energy and healing it RCT, and don't forget that Gojo RCT had heavily slowed down as a result of that. Last but not least the reason as to why Sukuna even bothered using the 10 shadows in his fight with Gojo when he could have beaten him without it was because Sukuna saw it as a perfect opportunity to elevate his innate technique to even greater highs by being able to learn how to cut through Gojo's infinity which he succeeded in doing.
I dont kno why people think sakuna having four arms will help dominate hand to hand when gojo was 3v1 in the fight and that was with mahoraga nullifying infinity when close too
Sukuna was swapping hand with gojo. Sukuna + 2 new arms + new mouth = better hands, hand signs while swapping hands, chanting while swapping hands and doing hand signs at the same time, DE activation while stopping gojo from activating his own.
25:25 The domains are equal, which means the without a barrier opens inside one with a barrier.😮 Also Gojo learning to change his barrier technique inside prison realm was stated.
@@budah2nice562Tbh, I think most people are capping here in the comments. The guy NEEDED Mahoraga and honestly should been obliterated by the first MAXIMUM purple Gojo slammed him with. Guy just tanked it with no explanation while losing around only half his body...wtf?
I haven’t watched the whole video yet but I thought the same thing. Gojo saying he’s not sure he could win even with sukuna not having 10s doesn’t mean anything because bro literally doesn’t even know how he died😭 he goes from seeing a extremely weakened and vulnerable sukuna to all of a sudden being in the afterlife😭 if I were Gojo I’d think I got hit with some crazy hax he was holding back too😭 he probably thought sukuna was just holding back some wild 1 hit move that he could’ve used at the start but only used it when he was about to die.
Also.i have to take into account. Gojo got a 200% buff at the start of the fight. In got another 120 buff off of black flash and enchants. Sukana never buffed himself with enchants nor did he land a black flash.
that 200% buff at the start of the fight only applies to his 200% purple after the he isn't buffed until the black flash and even then he only regained is CE output with the black flash so the only real difference is that he was in the zone
Like someone mentioned in a reply to you the buff was only applied to the first hollow purple. And even at that, if you want to call the buff unfair then Sukuna stealing one of the top 3 strongest cursedtechniques (the 10 shadows) might as well be doping. The 10 Shadows and Megumi's soul is a far greater buff than any dancing ritual from a low rank sorcerer. Edit: I've gone to her wiki page. Her technique is a TEMPORARY buff. Sukuna had 10 Shadows AND Megumi's soul. Respectfully, you're argument is invalid.
@MichaelengeloMC actually no they are wrong. The buff stays as long as your with in her range. We don't know her range. But we do have a time frame when his output had dropped and he had to rebuff.
First, if Sukuna didn't have the Ten Shadows Technique, then he wouldn't have to stay inside Gojo's DE for three minutes. Every time Gojo expands the DE and makes his barrier small, so that he will destroy the barrier from the inside, also who knew that the limit of DE expansion and restore it with RCT It's five times, wasn't it Sukuna? So this is a trump card in this fight, so that if Sukuna expands his DE at the moment when Gogo Satarou is not able to expand his domain , Gojo will die. If you tell me that he will heal himself, I will tell you that he will not be able to, as his output is very weak, also in The first collision between the shrain and the Infinite Void, Sukuna won this collision. So why did Sukuna not end the fight? So if he had launched a maximum attack at him, it would have ended the fight, as Gojo would not be able to use his techniques. I also want to ask you, what is the benefit of Chapter 235? Wasn’t the fight supposed to end in the previous chapter, since Sukuna saw Mahuraga’s attack, and we know that Sukuna masters anything he sees from the first time , Also why didn’t Mahuraga cut off Gojo? Why did he Just cut off his hand in Chapter 234?، Also why didn't Sukuna eliminate Gojo in Chapter 233 so that instead of water attack , he launched a cutting attack? Also, why didn't he restore his body in Chapter 230 ? Also, why didn't he use his weapons? Sukuna surpassed Infinity in two ways that were completely unrelated to the Ten Shadows Technique, but Sukuna did not want these two methods, so he chose Mahuraga's method, since it did not require following a special method to break through Infinity.
When sukuna gets his hein form back I think it’s stacked on top of the 20 fingers, and not just two separate forms. But even if it is two separate forms hein era sukuna is a lot stronger physically than megumies body. Almost like an Olympic weight lifter compared to a pro soccer player. In the manga it also states that the stronger your physicals are the higher cures output your to emit. As well as all around physical buffs too.
u have no proof that Heian era is stronger then megumies. He has 20 fingers that got stronger over time. And the different between sukuna when he reincarnated into heian era form is not that much of a difference then in megumi's body.
@@budah2nice562 Those extra limbs Sukuna got make it soo much easier to fight since he can cast Domain amp while casting DE already beating down Go/jo in a domain clash which is heavily in Sukuna's favor.
That’s not true we have nothing that proves that it’s the opposite actually everything proves that both have the same strength. AND THATS PERFECT. Because the form boosts his effectiveness in a fight to the extreme, it’s like a cheap six eyes.
@@budah2nice562gojo wouldn't have won the domain clash if sukuna wasn't trying for mahoraga to adapt to infinity, he would have had incantation too to amplify his techniques if it's heian era sukuna. Gojo broke down because of burnout after those clashes so sukuna ( heian era) wins
Okay so- In his Heian Era Form , Sukuna is overall faster , Stronger and more Durable than the version that fought Gojo already giving him a massive advantage Keep in mind that Sukuna in his fight against Gojo needed to tank lot of hits in order to help Mahoraga adapt to Infinity so he could deal with ANY Infinity user in the future. Which is what lead to him being more damaged , having to heal and doing slightly worse than Gojo when it comes to Domain Clashes Additional mouth and set of hands would allow him to chant and perform hand signs to increase the power of his techniques and even domain (which would ignore infinity)
@@budah2nice562 he doesn't need 10 shadows , Fraudjo's *Limited*™ technique doesn't work inside of another domain, even if you said that Sukuna in Megumi's body was only equal to Heian Era , just that was enough to be basically equal to Gojo's Domain Normal sorcerer can boost their technique and domain to 120% by using hand signs and chanting , with two mouths and 4 arms , Sukuna would be able to push it even further. Keep in mind the thing about fingers growing stronger is a mistranslation
I said this before but gonna paste it again because I didn't get an answer. The only reason Gojo won a domain clash was because Sukuna lost in *HAND-TO-HAND* (chap 229) and was late to the expansion(0.01 sec) barely because he was healing it off. With 2 extra hands he’s not losing hand-to-hand he’ll at the very least be equal. If Sukuna *tied* (or won) that domain clash he would have just won the battle right then and there because *Gojo couldn't expand his domain again because of RCT overuse brain damage and Sukuna wouldn't take the information dump from unlimited void because of the domains canceling each other out, then he'd would be able to open his malevolent shrine again.*
Honestly Sukuna just had hella plot armor. There better be some kinda explanation for why this version of Sukuna could straight-up tank a MAXMIMUM OUTPUT purple with partial damage when it legit erases everything--no limits given to it. If it erased his side, shoulda erased all of him. He did not dodge it--he just tanked it.
@@jestapath7373 There is an explanation, Domain amplification neutralizes(not always fully) cursed techniques it comes into contact with(drawback being can't use you're anything else while you're using it). That's how he was able to get by infinity as well as tank hollow purple multiple times.
Gojo stood no chance whatsoever. Sukuna needed mahoraga to show him how to bypass infinity, not to kill Gojo. He could've killed Gojo in the first domain clash of he used his own cursed techniques but he was using 10 shadows. He could've obliterated Gojo with the flame technique inside the domain with infinity nullified. Sukuna explained that talking damage speeds up the adaptation process. About the fingers: remember that the fingers were sealed and regained their powers when their seals became undone so they never got stronger, they simply regained their sealed powers. Sukuna was holding back because he was waiting for mahoraga to show him how to cut through infinity. Gojo was the one trying hard. We know this because he destroyed his own brain trying to kill Sukuna.
I think Gojo would win 5/10 or 6/10 fights. It really depends if Gojo can land UV or not, if he doesn’t his RCT will slowly run out in the domain clash but that’s just what I think.
His reincarnation is his Trump card. He could've used DE + CT(*not holding back) to kill gojo anytime post 5th DE clash Wanna know how sukuna Was holding back and not going all out ? 1. Holding back from using his ct's inside MS(*dismantle/fire arrow etc) 2. Holding back from using 10s in his tied clashes 3. Held back from reincarnating and killing gojo with DE 4. Didn't use the 10s at its max potential in R2 5. Held back from using DA which increases his durability inside the tied clash and in Round 2 to fasten up the adaptation of UV and infinity. (*Until gojo got lucky with the black flash ofc)(*this btw is the reason why you saw gojo dominate him in h2h and why he snapped at maho for making him wait this long) 6. Didn't use his cursed tools (*especially the trident which is a death sentence for gojo in close range inside MS with no infinity) 7. Can this guy tell me one reason why maho didn't kill gojo then and there instead of just cutting his arm and "showing" sukuna the blueprint? (*And if he says maho simply missed its plot Armor which I don't believe in and secondly why would sukuna praise maho later for missing such an obvious kill shot? Why would he praise maho if maho didn't do exactly what sukuna wanted him to?) 8. Am i missing smth? Oh yeah, choosing the riskier option in the DE clashes which he won't in heian form or yujikuna form meaning gojo's time limit actually won't be 3 min and MS will land over and over.
He wouldn't have a "re incarnation" trump card in the first place if he was already in his Heian era form. He can only do that because he was possessing someone. "Gojo is Stronger than Heian Era Sukuna." The statement is still valid.
@@MichaelengeloMC who in the series said that statement? As far as I remember kenjaku despite seeing through the era of previous 6 eyes limitless users and previous 10s users claimed to kashimo that heian sukuna was the strongest ever and that it's undisputed and if you think satoru is the strongest gojo, then firstly we have no proof of that and secondly gojo didn't invent the purple(*it was a secret move passed down) and his UV too is the inner world of the limitless (*passed down with the ct). I see no reason to think that any other gojo clan member with 6 eyes limitless won't be as strong as Gojo(*Shibuya).
@@MichaelengeloMC also if you're comparing heian sukuna with gojo. I would suggest you to stop because that dude has two cursed tools too. (*Heian sukuna would've made a selfie stick out of gojo inside MS without infinity) (*Gojo's only win-con against heian sukuna is if sukuna underestimates gojo like sh*t and gets hit by UV other than that it's a blood bath)
Sukuna LITERALLY said himself : "That (nullify Gojo's Infinity) was something i was UNABLE to do, so i waited for IT (Mahoraga) to discover another adaptation to COUNTER YOUR INFINITY" END of discussions. Sukuna is a Hacker!
no, he use mahoraga as a model, so it being the example to show sukuna how. That line you quote was about the first method mahoraga shown, which sukuna cannot do, but sukuna can do the second one on his own after mahoraga show it for him. So basically, sukuna is just too lazy to use his brain himself and choose a shortcut
You only prove my point. You can't have "shortcuts" when you dont know where you're going, and Sukuna clearly says that he himself was Unable to nullify "the infinity", and ONLY bc Mahoraga can adapt BEYOND "everything" even infinity ( which is riddiculous) Sukuna could reach Gojo. He even says that the "SECOND adaptation ITSELF wasn't sending slashes as i do, IT was expanding the technique target, ITS intendet target was space etc." ITS (Mahoragas) not Sukunas!
We haven't been given Heian era Sukuna full kit yet. We don't know what other CT he has, and what his RCT looks like,we havent seen him use black flas(with 4 arms mind you),we haven't seen him even modify his domain like Gojo did, we don't even know what his current weapon even does besides negating lightning,and we haven't seen what his Trident can do,for all we know it might work like Toji inverted spear of heaven.
Gojo could have died during the first domain clash. When gojo got hit bu shrine. Sukana could have hit him with the flame arrow while he was blocking. Sukana held back.
Ask yourself this. How did Gojo get sliced up inside the domain? That's how Sukuna could've killed him, use a domain expansion, then use the fire technique
Yeah, I feel like a lot of his points jump to (mostly) baseless conclusions. Idk what's the deal with people trying to make Sukuna seem absolutely unstoppable.
I love that gojo himself says Sukuna was holding back and people still can't handle it. Its as close to the aurthor himself saying it as possible and for the record maharaga did not beat gojo. Sukunna learning from maharaga let him 1 shot him.
He was "holding back". Because Gojo's infinity essentially forced Sukuna to fight differently and not USE all he had because it wouldn't have touched him. In that sense, he was absolutely holding back because it would never reach him. It's honestly not the best way of communicating the situation because you'd assume sukuna was massively stronger than him, but really it's more like sukuna had nothing but knives when Gojo was a giant fuck off nail. He needed to borrow a giant fuck off electric hammer that needed time to charge to do any real damage to him and wack him with the wooden hilt of his blades to bide his time & shit.
@@jestapath7373 Im not sure thats a fair comparison because sukuna always had the hammer he just didnt know how to take the swing. Ultimately sukuna working out how to get around infinity was the only thing that kept gojo alive, all of the physical advantages that gojo showed over sukuna are kinda shown to be far below what sukuna was capable of in the current chapters with the whole 4 arms 2 mouths thing. I don't know how much stronger Sukuna is than gojo but Sukuna without a doubt has the edge. Only time will tell what else Sukuna has.
@@Turner6277 Nope, his comparison is better. Sukuna didn't have the hammer. Because the hammer (world cutting) was what he needed from Mahoraga to hit the nail (Gojo's infinity) because his cuts were useless against the nail.
@@Screcy but the only thing Mahoraga did for sukkuna in the fight was give him the knowledge he needed to hit gojo with cleave. He always had the tool he just didnt know how to impliment it.
@@Turner6277 I'm rly surprised you're not getting this. The knowledge to hit Gojo is the hammer. You know? The hammer he needs to hit the nail? It's a rly simple analogy. You saying he just didn't know how to swing it. It's implying he already knew how to attack "the world" instead of physical things but didn't know how to apply it to the slash or that the slash is the hammer and the knowledge is the swing. Which is completely incorrect. The thing he already had (the slash attacks) is irrelevant to this because he could have applied this effect to any of his attack. For example on the fire arrow attack he has. Instead of burning physical things, it burn a hole in the world or something like that. Or he could probably even apply it to the cursed tool he had. Lighting is plasma. He could use it to vaporize lines in reality. This one is a little unlikely but u get the point. It doesn't matter what swing he uses (method of attack), as long as he has the hammer (the knowledge of how to attack the world directly) to hit the nail (pass Gojo's infinity) Also saying "the only thing Mahoraga did for Sukuna was give him the knowledge he needed to hit Gojo" it's rly not true. That "knowledge" was literally the key to winning the fight. So Mahoraga literally gave Sukuna the only thing that could make him win this fight. Also Mahoraga protected Sukuna on multiple occasions and literally saved Sukuna once, when he got knocked out. This is why so many people say Sukuna couldn't have won without Mahoraga.
@@budah2nice562 yeah well no shit, that’s like saying that yugi from yugioh only wins because of his cards. Why do you think he wanted Megumi in the first place. It’s because of mahoraga and his potential. How do you think he could’ve gone against gojo WITHOUT 10S. Sukuna is just smarter than gojo. It’s like saying that Yuji only won against mahito because he fell for todos trick (which he did). JJK is all about gambling and no one cares whether or not you win by underhanded means
Even though Gege literally wrote Sukuna stating: he couldn't nullify Infinity without Mahoraga. For some reason Sukuna fans never believe it. 🤷 I really don't get why people argue so feverishly for Sukuna.
Damn, you're really wrong with this one. This fight did not happen - what happened was Sukuna fighting Gojo while making Mahoraga adapt. Meaning Sukuna didn't start the fight off with the intention of ending it as soon as possible. Sukuna in Megumi's body didn't loose, nit matter how much you say that this is a stronger version, it won while using the only aspect that makes it stronger. Heian era Sukuna is stronger in every other way and would win differently. Then you ask what can get through infinity - as if you forget that both domain amplification and domain expansion get through it just fine. What is more than enough to win is damaging Gojo's brain, which is possible while using just hands and domain expansion. Gojo didn't try to escape Malevolent Shrine just because he thought it would be cool, it clearly poses a threat to him. You also assume Gojo would learn how to make his domain smaller, which is very important for the domain clashes, without being in the prison realm, despite the story itself saying directly that he learnt it after being sealed. You also say that making the domain smaller isn't that important, which goes directly against what we are shown and told in the manga. Then you act like Gojo, who is known to never be humble, saying that he isn't sure he would have won means nothing. Gojo can see what everyone's techniques do, he knows about incarnation, his opinion on the matter is much more important than anyone elses, including Sukuna. If he isn't sure he would win - Sukuna did have a way of beating him and Gojo knew how. To say that Gojo would win you have to ignore such things as: Incarnated Sukuna being blatantly superior physically in speed, strength and durability than when he simply piloted Megumi's body; Sukuna not switching his domain's conditions to attack the inside of Gojo's barrier once it was weakened; Sukuna having to hold back in using domain amplification as to not stop Mahoraga's adaptation too much. You seem to not care that Gojo and Sukuna were equally matched at the start of the fight, before Mahoraga was even out: theor domains broke twice at the exact same moment. Even a small advantage would make Gojo's domain break faster, forcing him into a loosing position. Gojo was always meant to loose, the reading comprehension is not strong with this one
After all the arguing about this topic over the years I personally came to the conclusion that Gojo is the strongest sorcerer in history and Sukuna is the most skilled sorcerer in history. He needed Mahoraga to beat Gojo and I don't think that is an L. That was his plan from the start. And I don't know why Sukuna simps have such a hard time admiting that. I think planing/skeming for a way to win a fight is also a part of scaling a character. He is smart and he knows what he needs to do to beat anyone. And I don't think there is any point in talking about "Would Sukuna beat Gojo without Mahoraga?" because that would never happen. If he could win that he wouldn't have needed Megumin in the first place. What if he didn't have Megumi after all? Then he would have found another way to win. Maybe it would have taken a lot longer to prepare the alternative, maybe it would have included more risky, underhanded methods but he would have found a way to do it. To me this makes more sense. A powerful character is someone who needs to put in the least amount of effort for the biggest results. And a skilled character is someone who can be weaker than their opponent but overcome them with planing. Is Sukuna powerful? Yes. Because he can annihilate everyone (except Gojo) with no effort. And if someone more powerful comes along he is skilled enough to overcome them and become more powerful as a result. In a way I guess you could say he is similar to Mahoraga. The only way to beat Sukuna is to kill him with a surprise attack that he is unaware of. Cuz if he sees you coming he can read you, your ability, your everything and find a way to adapt to it and counter it. So yeah, this was a long ass monologue but I think I presented well why it makes sense that Gojo is stronger and why it doesn't matter because Sukuna can just overcome anyone anyway.
The domain fight would have ended differently because he was stronger and has 4 arms which means the hands to hands would have ended differently which means he could kill him with his domain the reason why he couldn't was because he took brain damage form gojo domain with is why he couldn't use his domain and gojo had to heal himself and gojo took brain damage from healing his brain so yep gojo would loses so stop being a gojo fanboy.
We actually see in the fight why Sukuna would beat Gojo without ten shadows. If Sukuna won or tied the last domain clash it would be wraps for Gojo, because Sukuna could use atleast 1 more domain if it wasn’t for void doing brain damage. Gojo only gets this last domain off because Sukuna is more damaged, so if Sukuna is double chanting with 2 curse tools and spamming the flame arrow Gojo would be so damaged he’ll die or another domain tie.
Bro sukuna finger doesn't increase in power over time that was an mistranslation, also u just coping lol. Sukuna win cons are simply insane and there's nothing in the vid that broku said wrong lol. 1. Bro, if Sukuna never had 10s active inside the domain, Sukuna wouldn't have turned off MS Surehit on the inside and just attacked Gojo's weaken inside barrier with a net of cleave that would just adjust to the domain barrier CE destroying in one shot period (Gojo's inside barrier walls would be weak as the outside barrier walls he had in the 1st clash, so that shit getting K.O. by a net of cleave). 2. Chants boost C&D to 120%, which means stronger surehit for MS, thus breaking UV before 3 min 9s. If chants boost C&D, then by default C&D in MS would be stronger, as MS would grant this boosted C&D a surehit effect. (chants boost CT/surehit (= your CT), not strength of the barrier). Heain Sukuna can chant endlessly, which means he can match the duration of MS being out. 3. If gojo, while going all out (as stated in chaps 234 and 236), is amplified by his domain when sukuna turns off MS Surehit, add the fact that sukuna took the riskier route and took more damage by turning off DA, and gojo still stalemated with that sukuna???!! to the point where Chap 228 said he would run out of options( he did run out of options) and lose. Bro, if Sukuna was in true form with a stronger base and kept DA on, Gojo wouldn't make it in 3 minutes 9 seconds; Sukuna just needs to last 2, 3, 4, and 5 seconds longer, and Gojo UV is destroyed( even if Sukuna was ever in true form and just used DA alone, DA alone is nullifying blue and reducing red damage by 85-95%). 4. If Sukuna did use a flame arrow (chanted flame arrow too) or any other hidden CT on Gojo while Uv was destroyed in the 1st or 2nd domain clash while Gojo is already running MAX OUTPUT RCT for MS, the additional damage would mess up Gojo, making MS kill him after so much time or because his RCT would reach shit level to the point where Gojo wouldn't be able to survive MS for a 2nd or 3rd time( like if Sukuna did land that MS a 3rd time on Gojo in chap 230). Gojo healing his CT wasn't the main factor, because his RCT to drop so low as damaging your brain only proves you from using DE not heal; it was only MS that caused Gojo to run his RCT at FULL OUTPUT, not healing his brain. So taking L al day lol.
Bro sukuna finger doesn't increase in power over time that was an mistranslation( so heain era as the same amount of CE as current one), also u just coping lol. Sukuna win cons are simply insane. 1. Bro, if Sukuna never had 10s active inside the domain, Sukuna wouldn't have turned off MS Surehit on the inside( able to use his CTs) and just attacked Gojo's weaken inside barrier with a net of cleave that would just adjust to the domain barrier CE destroying in one shot period (Gojo's inside barrier walls would be weak as the outside barrier walls he had in the 1st clash, so that shit getting K.O. by a net of cleave). 2. Chants boost C&D to 120%, which means stronger surehit for MS, thus breaking UV before 3 min 9s. If chants boost C&D, then by default C&D in MS would be stronger, as MS would grant this boosted C&D a surehit effect. (chants boost CT/surehit ( surehit = your CT), not strength of the domain barrier). Heain Sukuna can chant endlessly, which means he can match the duration of MS being out. 3. If gojo, while going all out (as stated in chaps 234 and 236), is amplified by his domain when sukuna turns off MS Surehit, add the fact that sukuna took the riskier route and took more damage by turning off DA, and gojo still stalemated with that sukuna???!! to the point where Chap 228 said he would run out of options( he did run out of options) and lose. Bro, if Sukuna was in true form with a stronger base and kept DA on, Gojo wouldn't make it in 3 minutes 9 seconds; Sukuna just needs to last 2, 3, 4, and 5 seconds longer, and Gojo UV is destroyed( even if Sukuna was ever in true form and just used DA alone, DA alone is nullifying blue punches and reducing red damage by 85-95%). 4. If Sukuna did use a flame arrow (chanted flame arrow too) or any other hidden CT on Gojo while Uv was destroyed in the 1st or 2nd domain clash while Gojo is already running MAX OUTPUT RCT for MS, the additional damage would mess up Gojo, making MS kill him after so much time or because his RCT would reach shit level to the point where Gojo wouldn't be able to survive MS for a 2nd or 3rd time( like if Sukuna did land that MS a 3rd time on Gojo in chap 230, gojo would die). Gojo healing his CT wasn't the main factor that cuz his RCT to drop that LOW, healing CT doesn't require u to blast rct at full output & damaging your brain only provents you from using DE, it stop u from healing. it was only MS that caused Gojo to run his RCT at FULL OUTPUT, not healing his brain. So taking L all day lol.
@@explosivegrape go read the offical translation lol, bros that read the japanese version said it was wrong, sukuna power doesn't get stronger lol, its the seal on the finger getting weaker so fingers are gaining back there original strenght everyday and gojo can't fine anybody that can seal them up back.
Cope harder halfjo splitaru fanboy, maybe if you plead hard enough gege will bring back your king as a vegetable.😂 Gojo ain't winning a against a heian version of sukuna that has more CE two extra hands and a mouth to chant while casting and fighting as well as superior physical strength. Kashimo said it best "this version of sukuna was perfection". Not having Ten Shadows is a huge blow to his arsenal but he'll still win since this version of sukuna would be better at domains slightly and that's all he needs to win. Since megkuna vs gojo was super neck and neck , sukuna with slightly better base stats would win all the domain clashes. The only reason he lost a domain clash was because he was 0.01 seconds late because he lost hand to hand (chap 229). Heian sukuna is slightly better than megkuna in everyway including hand to hand he would have won that clash as well.
Sure true form sukuna might be perfect sorccerer But gojo has such hacks with his infinity Its like comparing an army of thousands of people To gojos infinity nuke No matter how strong sukuna is If He cant reach And can get one shooted Sukuna loses
u have no proof heian era sukuna is stronger then current sukuna or sukuna before cutting space itself. The fingers got stronger over time and he ate all of them so how sukuna not stronger than he was in the past
@@budah2nice562 I’m not saying that Heian Sukuna is stronger than current Sukuna or megkuna with dimensional slash, just that the Four-armed form of Sukuna would perform better at domain clashes than megkuna because of the extra hands and mouth for jujutsu. The better hand-to-hand and better casting is crucial for such a close fight like this. The only reason Gojo won a domain clash was because Sukuna lost in *HAND-TO-HAND* (chap 229) and was late to the expansion(0.01 sec) barely because he was healing it off. With 2 extra hands he’s not losing hand-to-hand he’ll at the very least be equal. And if Sukuna *tied* or won that domain clash he would have just won the battle right then and there because *Gojo couldn't expand his domain because of RCT overuse brain damage and if Sukuna didn't take the information dump from unlimited void then he would be able to open his domain again.*
😂😂😂gojo is a bum, couldnt save Rika, geto, megumi, nobara, or anyone else important in his life, gojo is a fraud thru and thru(he only strong bc toji killed him and put him in his place and gojo got saved by the plot😂) and tbh there were several moments in the domain battle where sukuna was equal to casting time to gojo however with four arms and two mouths he would have beat gojo several times 😂idk man you need to get gojos meat out of your mouth it’s embarrassing tbh😂 gojo is literally the definition of plot armor
Gojo the most cocky character say yea I doubt I'd be able to be sukuna in his prime and that he didn't Gojo fan base: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 236 chapter answered these questions. And put respect on Kaido name. He got jumped, and ran through a gauntlet. 1v1 Kaido got it.
If you want to base your whole argument off what a character said then don't forget that Sukuna himself said he needed Mahoraga to pull off the move that he used to kill him. Mahoraga also saved him multiple times in the fight.
@@budah2nice562 without the ten shadows he would’ve transformed into his full STRONGER form won the domain clash and the fight would’ve been over Sukuna used gojo and the ten shadows as a way for him to get stronger because there is no longer any defence in Jjk that can block his attacks
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In chapter 228 Gojo made it clear that Sukuna was taking riskier options during their domain clashes despite the fact that Gojo switch the internal and external conditions of his domain's barrier all so he could get Mahoraga to adapt to infinite void, and since it took 3 minutes for both domains to collapse (malevolent shrine collapsing do to Gojo dealing enough damage to Sukuna) means if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he could have collapsed Gojo's domain from the inside and brake it in less than 3 minutes before Gojo could damage him and keep repeating it until Gojo fries his brain to the point where he would not only be unable to existent his domain but he's R.C.T wouldn't be as fast as it was before.
Also another risk that Sukuna was taking was not using "domain amplification" to nullify/minimize the effectiveness of Gojo's techniques during the 3rd and 4th domain clashes because it would have interfered with Mahoraga's adaptation, so if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he would have double down on DA during the domain clashes which would have prevented Gojo from dealing enough damage to Sukuna to the point where he wouldn't be able to maintain "Malevolent Shrine".
Also keep in mind that Sukuna's secondary pair of hands and his second mouth would allow him to invoke incantation and hand signs which will increase the effectiveness of his techniques. So yeah even without the 10 shadows Sukuna would have still won.
So Sukuna went into megumi's body to use the ten shadows and mahorogas dharma wheel just to Nerf himself? Really? You know that the six eyes significantly reduce his curse energy usage and he would constantly be refreshing his brain with RTC soooo...Gojo was beating his buns off when it came to physical confrontations. Not sure him putting more output into those technique would save him. He legitimately "needed" the ten shadow technique otherwise what would be the point of doing all of that?
@@jestapath7373 He took 10 shadows in order to find out a way to upgrade his ct, by watching Mahoraga adapt. Literally opens the fights stating he wants to adapt. When Gojo couldn't open up his domain again and Sukuna thought he could open his, if he wanted to just kill Gojo he would've just opened his domain, but instead he says he would open his domain however will adapt to infinity in the process. Again, before killing him he wanted to adapt.
thats just ^plainly wrong, mahoraga was needed to go TROUGHT gojo, thtas why he had mahoraga for the beginning
@@jestapath7373 I thought the same thing as well, but I guess he didn't want to reveal all of the tricks at his disposal in anticipation of getting jumped by the others( as mentioned by Kusakabe )
@@jestapath7373 You aren't getting it, Sukuna needed to put himself in risky situations when using Mahoraga's adaptation ability in order for the adaptation to be effective. Also it was made clear that Sukuna rivals Gojo's six-eyes in curse energy efficiency back in chapter 225, thus just like Gojo the amount of energy Sukuna uses in a fight is infinitesimally close to zero. In regards to the physical aspect of the fight chapter 231 tells us that when Gojo hits someone he codes his hands and feet with lapse blue to strikes stronger than normal, thus if Sukuna uses domain amplification to it fullest he be able to nullify power of Gojo's attacks significantly and would vastly minimize the damage he would have normally taken. Also after the 5th domain clash Gojo wasn't able to extend his domain anymore due to his brain's right frontal cortex sustaining too much stress due to Gojo damageing it with curse energy and healing it RCT, and don't forget that Gojo RCT had heavily slowed down as a result of that. Last but not least the reason as to why Sukuna even bothered using the 10 shadows in his fight with Gojo when he could have beaten him without it was because Sukuna saw it as a perfect opportunity to elevate his innate technique to even greater highs by being able to learn how to cut through Gojo's infinity which he succeeded in doing.
I dont kno why people think sakuna having four arms will help dominate hand to hand when gojo was 3v1 in the fight and that was with mahoraga nullifying infinity when close too
Sukuna was swapping hand with gojo. Sukuna + 2 new arms + new mouth = better hands, hand signs while swapping hands, chanting while swapping hands and doing hand signs at the same time, DE activation while stopping gojo from activating his own.
Hes literally losing to a kid and a lawyer
@RealNigga87 wait next chapter he gonna die
this a fact. I didn't think about this
Gojo was amped by black flash the entire time. He wouldn’t start the fight off with a black amp.
25:25 The domains are equal, which means the without a barrier opens inside one with a barrier.😮
Also Gojo learning to change his barrier technique inside prison realm was stated.
Sanest Go/jo fan
Loser fraudkuna fan
Bro was not cooking 😭 (I did not watch the video)
u commented tho. i appreciate that.
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@@budah2nice562Tbh, I think most people are capping here in the comments. The guy NEEDED Mahoraga and honestly should been obliterated by the first MAXIMUM purple Gojo slammed him with. Guy just tanked it with no explanation while losing around only half his body...wtf?
I haven’t watched the whole video yet but I thought the same thing. Gojo saying he’s not sure he could win even with sukuna not having 10s doesn’t mean anything because bro literally doesn’t even know how he died😭 he goes from seeing a extremely weakened and vulnerable sukuna to all of a sudden being in the afterlife😭 if I were Gojo I’d think I got hit with some crazy hax he was holding back too😭 he probably thought sukuna was just holding back some wild 1 hit move that he could’ve used at the start but only used it when he was about to die.
Also.i have to take into account. Gojo got a 200% buff at the start of the fight. In got another 120 buff off of black flash and enchants. Sukana never buffed himself with enchants nor did he land a black flash.
Gojo landed four Black Flashes total.
I don't know if consecutive Black Flash buffs stack, so Gojo could have been at more than just 120%.
that 200% buff at the start of the fight only applies to his 200% purple after the he isn't buffed until the black flash and even then he only regained is CE output with the black flash so the only real difference is that he was in the zone
@@RGA301092 no the black flash buff doesn't stack
Like someone mentioned in a reply to you the buff was only applied to the first hollow purple. And even at that, if you want to call the buff unfair then Sukuna stealing one of the top 3 strongest cursedtechniques (the 10 shadows) might as well be doping. The 10 Shadows and Megumi's soul is a far greater buff than any dancing ritual from a low rank sorcerer.
Edit: I've gone to her wiki page. Her technique is a TEMPORARY buff. Sukuna had 10 Shadows AND Megumi's soul. Respectfully, you're argument is invalid.
@MichaelengeloMC actually no they are wrong. The buff stays as long as your with in her range. We don't know her range. But we do have a time frame when his output had dropped and he had to rebuff.
Gojo beats Heian Era Sukuna low difficulty
First, if Sukuna didn't have the Ten Shadows Technique, then he wouldn't have to stay inside Gojo's DE for three minutes. Every time Gojo expands the DE and makes his barrier small, so that he will destroy the barrier from the inside, also who knew that the limit of DE expansion and restore it with RCT It's five times, wasn't it Sukuna? So this is a trump card in this fight, so that if Sukuna expands his DE at the moment when Gogo Satarou is not able to expand his domain , Gojo will die. If you tell me that he will heal himself, I will tell you that he will not be able to, as his output is very weak, also in The first collision between the shrain and the Infinite Void, Sukuna won this collision. So why did Sukuna not end the fight? So if he had launched a maximum attack at him, it would have ended the fight, as Gojo would not be able to use his techniques. I also want to ask you, what is the benefit of Chapter 235? Wasn’t the fight supposed to end in the previous chapter, since Sukuna saw Mahuraga’s attack, and we know that Sukuna masters anything he sees from the first time , Also why didn’t Mahuraga cut off Gojo? Why did he Just cut off his hand in Chapter 234?، Also why didn't Sukuna eliminate Gojo in Chapter 233 so that instead of water attack , he launched a cutting attack? Also, why didn't he restore his body in Chapter 230 ? Also, why didn't he use his weapons? Sukuna surpassed Infinity in two ways that were completely unrelated to the Ten Shadows Technique, but Sukuna did not want these two methods, so he chose Mahuraga's method, since it did not require following a special method to break through Infinity.
When sukuna gets his hein form back I think it’s stacked on top of the 20 fingers, and not just two separate forms. But even if it is two separate forms hein era sukuna is a lot stronger physically than megumies body. Almost like an Olympic weight lifter compared to a pro soccer player. In the manga it also states that the stronger your physicals are the higher cures output your to emit. As well as all around physical buffs too.
u have no proof that Heian era is stronger then megumies. He has 20 fingers that got stronger over time. And the different between sukuna when he reincarnated into heian era form is not that much of a difference then in megumi's body.
@@budah2nice562 Those extra limbs Sukuna got make it soo much easier to fight since he can cast Domain amp while casting DE already beating down Go/jo in a domain clash which is heavily in Sukuna's favor.
U can't even calulate the difference. Sukuna lost the domain clash with cleave and dismantle. Gojo just ate it. @@jacobjacobsen374
That’s not true we have nothing that proves that it’s the opposite actually everything proves that both have the same strength. AND THATS PERFECT.
Because the form boosts his effectiveness in a fight to the extreme, it’s like a cheap six eyes.
@@budah2nice562gojo wouldn't have won the domain clash if sukuna wasn't trying for mahoraga to adapt to infinity, he would have had incantation too to amplify his techniques if it's heian era sukuna. Gojo broke down because of burnout after those clashes so sukuna ( heian era) wins
Finally someone doing this video
Okay so-
In his Heian Era Form , Sukuna is overall faster , Stronger and more Durable than the version that fought Gojo
already giving him a massive advantage
Keep in mind that Sukuna in his fight against Gojo needed to tank lot of hits in order to help Mahoraga adapt to Infinity so he could deal with ANY Infinity user in the future.
Which is what lead to him being more damaged , having to heal and doing slightly worse than Gojo when it comes to Domain Clashes
Additional mouth and set of hands would allow him to chant and perform hand signs to increase the power of his techniques and even domain (which would ignore infinity)
He wouldn't have 10 shadows and u have no proof that heian era sukuna is stronger.
@@budah2nice562 he doesn't need 10 shadows , Fraudjo's *Limited*™ technique doesn't work inside of another domain, even if you said that Sukuna in Megumi's body was only equal to Heian Era , just that was enough to be basically equal to Gojo's Domain
Normal sorcerer can boost their technique and domain to 120% by using hand signs and chanting , with two mouths and 4 arms , Sukuna would be able to push it even further.
Keep in mind the thing about fingers growing stronger is a mistranslation
It was Megumi's soul tanking hits from Unlimited Void. He literally said it in the manga.
I said this before but gonna paste it again because I didn't get an answer.
The only reason Gojo won a domain clash was because Sukuna lost in *HAND-TO-HAND* (chap 229) and was late to the expansion(0.01 sec) barely because he was healing it off. With 2 extra hands he’s not losing hand-to-hand he’ll at the very least be equal.
If Sukuna *tied* (or won) that domain clash he would have just won the battle right then and there because *Gojo couldn't expand his domain again because of RCT overuse brain damage and Sukuna wouldn't take the information dump from unlimited void because of the domains canceling each other out, then he'd would be able to open his malevolent shrine again.*
Bro I get your whole hand to hand thing but gojo was fighting 3v1 last time I checked 6 arms are more than 4 and gojo was fine ygm?
Honestly Sukuna just had hella plot armor.
There better be some kinda explanation for why this version of Sukuna could straight-up tank a MAXMIMUM OUTPUT purple with partial damage when it legit erases everything--no limits given to it. If it erased his side, shoulda erased all of him. He did not dodge it--he just tanked it.
@@bilzkhan3029Lol that's actually a good point 😂
The 4 arms thing is way to overhyped.
@@bilzkhan3029 2 extra sukuna hands > 4 extra shikigami hands(especially since agito is ass)
Maho is good but sukuna is better than maho in everyway.
@@jestapath7373 There is an explanation, Domain amplification neutralizes(not always fully) cursed techniques it comes into contact with(drawback being can't use you're anything else while you're using it). That's how he was able to get by infinity as well as tank hollow purple multiple times.
get him goat
Gojo stood no chance whatsoever. Sukuna needed mahoraga to show him how to bypass infinity, not to kill Gojo.
He could've killed Gojo in the first domain clash of he used his own cursed techniques but he was using 10 shadows. He could've obliterated Gojo with the flame technique inside the domain with infinity nullified.
Sukuna explained that talking damage speeds up the adaptation process.
About the fingers: remember that the fingers were sealed and regained their powers when their seals became undone so they never got stronger, they simply regained their sealed powers.
Sukuna was holding back because he was waiting for mahoraga to show him how to cut through infinity. Gojo was the one trying hard. We know this because he destroyed his own brain trying to kill Sukuna.
I came for the gojopium and I wasn't disappointed
I think Gojo would win 5/10 or 6/10 fights. It really depends if Gojo can land UV or not, if he doesn’t his RCT will slowly run out in the domain clash but that’s just what I think.
He won't be able to land it. Sukuna was able to match it in megumis body, him with 2 extra arms would be able to cast it just as fast
His reincarnation is his Trump card. He could've used DE + CT(*not holding back) to kill gojo anytime post 5th DE clash
Wanna know how sukuna
Was holding back and not going all out ?
1. Holding back from using his ct's inside MS(*dismantle/fire arrow etc)
2. Holding back from using 10s in his tied clashes
3. Held back from reincarnating and killing gojo with DE
4. Didn't use the 10s at its max potential in R2
5. Held back from using DA which increases his durability inside the tied clash and in Round 2 to fasten up the adaptation of UV and infinity. (*Until gojo got lucky with the black flash ofc)(*this btw is the reason why you saw gojo dominate him in h2h and why he snapped at maho for making him wait this long)
6. Didn't use his cursed tools (*especially the trident which is a death sentence for gojo in close range inside MS with no infinity)
7. Can this guy tell me one reason why maho didn't kill gojo then and there instead of just cutting his arm and "showing" sukuna the blueprint? (*And if he says maho simply missed its plot Armor which I don't believe in and secondly why would sukuna praise maho later for missing such an obvious kill shot? Why would he praise maho if maho didn't do exactly what sukuna wanted him to?)
8. Am i missing smth? Oh yeah, choosing the riskier option in the DE clashes which he won't in heian form or yujikuna form meaning gojo's time limit actually won't be 3 min and MS will land over and over.
He wouldn't have a "re incarnation" trump card in the first place if he was already in his Heian era form. He can only do that because he was possessing someone. "Gojo is Stronger than Heian Era Sukuna." The statement is still valid.
@@MichaelengeloMC who in the series said that statement? As far as I remember kenjaku despite seeing through the era of previous 6 eyes limitless users and previous 10s users claimed to kashimo that heian sukuna was the strongest ever and that it's undisputed and if you think satoru is the strongest gojo, then firstly we have no proof of that and secondly gojo didn't invent the purple(*it was a secret move passed down) and his UV too is the inner world of the limitless (*passed down with the ct).
I see no reason to think that any other gojo clan member with 6 eyes limitless won't be as strong as Gojo(*Shibuya).
@@MichaelengeloMC also if you're comparing heian sukuna with gojo. I would suggest you to stop because that dude has two cursed tools too. (*Heian sukuna would've made a selfie stick out of gojo inside MS without infinity)
(*Gojo's only win-con against heian sukuna is if sukuna underestimates gojo like sh*t and gets hit by UV other than that it's a blood bath)
Sukuna LITERALLY said himself : "That (nullify Gojo's Infinity) was something i was UNABLE to do, so i waited for IT (Mahoraga) to discover another adaptation to COUNTER YOUR INFINITY"
END of discussions. Sukuna is a Hacker!
He's also a hacker because he used Megumi's soul in the domain clash while Gojo just tanked his domain like a Chad
@@HelloZukoHere7he used megumi's soul so he could adapt
no, he use mahoraga as a model, so it being the example to show sukuna how. That line you quote was about the first method mahoraga shown, which sukuna cannot do, but sukuna can do the second one on his own after mahoraga show it for him. So basically, sukuna is just too lazy to use his brain himself and choose a shortcut
You only prove my point. You can't have "shortcuts" when you dont know where you're going, and Sukuna clearly says that he himself was Unable to nullify "the infinity", and ONLY bc Mahoraga can adapt BEYOND "everything" even infinity ( which is riddiculous) Sukuna could reach Gojo.
He even says that the "SECOND adaptation ITSELF wasn't sending slashes as i do, IT was expanding the technique target, ITS intendet target was space etc." ITS (Mahoragas) not Sukunas!
preach
Sukuna without security guards its just a troglodite
We haven't been given Heian era Sukuna full kit yet.
We don't know what other CT he has, and what his RCT looks like,we havent seen him use black flas(with 4 arms mind you),we haven't seen him even modify his domain like Gojo did, we don't even know what his current weapon even does besides negating lightning,and we haven't seen what his Trident can do,for all we know it might work like Toji inverted spear of heaven.
Gojo could have died during the first domain clash. When gojo got hit bu shrine. Sukana could have hit him with the flame arrow while he was blocking. Sukana held back.
why wouldn't he just dodge or use rct after the arrow hits him?
the flame arrow can't get through infinty and he cant use flame arrow and domain expansion at the same time
@@budah2nice562 he did it against maharag
@@budah2nice562There is nothing saying it couldn't hit Gojo?
@@palmtv3538 So you're telling me fire bypasses infinity?
A lot of people misinterpreted when gege said Gojo is the strongest. He simply meant gojo is the strongest of his era, Never meant he's the strongest
Ask yourself this. How did Gojo get sliced up inside the domain? That's how Sukuna could've killed him, use a domain expansion, then use the fire technique
2:27 dude it says Shibuya Gojo and Gojo used his prison realm knowledge for one domain clash so i don't think the same thing happened in the manga
Bro is the real defination of meat riding 💀💀
Yeah, I feel like a lot of his points jump to (mostly) baseless conclusions. Idk what's the deal with people trying to make Sukuna seem absolutely unstoppable.
Sukuna isnt that strong without 10 shadows
I love that gojo himself says Sukuna was holding back and people still can't handle it. Its as close to the aurthor himself saying it as possible and for the record maharaga did not beat gojo. Sukunna learning from maharaga let him 1 shot him.
He was "holding back". Because Gojo's infinity essentially forced Sukuna to fight differently and not USE all he had because it wouldn't have touched him. In that sense, he was absolutely holding back because it would never reach him.
It's honestly not the best way of communicating the situation because you'd assume sukuna was massively stronger than him, but really it's more like sukuna had nothing but knives when Gojo was a giant fuck off nail. He needed to borrow a giant fuck off electric hammer that needed time to charge to do any real damage to him and wack him with the wooden hilt of his blades to bide his time & shit.
@@jestapath7373 Im not sure thats a fair comparison because sukuna always had the hammer he just didnt know how to take the swing.
Ultimately sukuna working out how to get around infinity was the only thing that kept gojo alive, all of the physical advantages that gojo showed over sukuna are kinda shown to be far below what sukuna was capable of in the current chapters with the whole 4 arms 2 mouths thing. I don't know how much stronger Sukuna is than gojo but Sukuna without a doubt has the edge. Only time will tell what else Sukuna has.
@@Turner6277 Nope, his comparison is better. Sukuna didn't have the hammer. Because the hammer (world cutting) was what he needed from Mahoraga to hit the nail (Gojo's infinity) because his cuts were useless against the nail.
@@Screcy but the only thing Mahoraga did for sukkuna in the fight was give him the knowledge he needed to hit gojo with cleave. He always had the tool he just didnt know how to impliment it.
@@Turner6277 I'm rly surprised you're not getting this. The knowledge to hit Gojo is the hammer. You know? The hammer he needs to hit the nail? It's a rly simple analogy.
You saying he just didn't know how to swing it. It's implying he already knew how to attack "the world" instead of physical things but didn't know how to apply it to the slash or that the slash is the hammer and the knowledge is the swing. Which is completely incorrect. The thing he already had (the slash attacks) is irrelevant to this because he could have applied this effect to any of his attack. For example on the fire arrow attack he has. Instead of burning physical things, it burn a hole in the world or something like that. Or he could probably even apply it to the cursed tool he had. Lighting is plasma. He could use it to vaporize lines in reality. This one is a little unlikely but u get the point. It doesn't matter what swing he uses (method of attack), as long as he has the hammer (the knowledge of how to attack the world directly) to hit the nail (pass Gojo's infinity)
Also saying "the only thing Mahoraga did for Sukuna was give him the knowledge he needed to hit Gojo" it's rly not true. That "knowledge" was literally the key to winning the fight. So Mahoraga literally gave Sukuna the only thing that could make him win this fight. Also Mahoraga protected Sukuna on multiple occasions and literally saved Sukuna once, when he got knocked out.
This is why so many people say Sukuna couldn't have won without Mahoraga.
I did NOT watch a second of this video BUTTT sukuna absolutely smacks gojo
Is that why your daddy fraudkuna got smacked constantly by Goatjo
@@seyio1717 smacked by gojo, sliced by sukuna
he only won because of 10 shadows. Fraud
@@budah2nice562 yeah well no shit, that’s like saying that yugi from yugioh only wins because of his cards. Why do you think he wanted Megumi in the first place. It’s because of mahoraga and his potential. How do you think he could’ve gone against gojo WITHOUT 10S. Sukuna is just smarter than gojo. It’s like saying that Yuji only won against mahito because he fell for todos trick (which he did). JJK is all about gambling and no one cares whether or not you win by underhanded means
@@budah2nice562🤓
Even if gege outright says that sukuna will win this gojo fan will neven believe it
My goodness the level of copium
Even though Gege literally wrote Sukuna stating: he couldn't nullify Infinity without Mahoraga. For some reason Sukuna fans never believe it. 🤷 I really don't get why people argue so feverishly for Sukuna.
@@SlickEvan oi did your big brain forget about domain expansion and domain amplification
Damn, you're really wrong with this one. This fight did not happen - what happened was Sukuna fighting Gojo while making Mahoraga adapt. Meaning Sukuna didn't start the fight off with the intention of ending it as soon as possible.
Sukuna in Megumi's body didn't loose, nit matter how much you say that this is a stronger version, it won while using the only aspect that makes it stronger. Heian era Sukuna is stronger in every other way and would win differently.
Then you ask what can get through infinity - as if you forget that both domain amplification and domain expansion get through it just fine. What is more than enough to win is damaging Gojo's brain, which is possible while using just hands and domain expansion. Gojo didn't try to escape Malevolent Shrine just because he thought it would be cool, it clearly poses a threat to him.
You also assume Gojo would learn how to make his domain smaller, which is very important for the domain clashes, without being in the prison realm, despite the story itself saying directly that he learnt it after being sealed. You also say that making the domain smaller isn't that important, which goes directly against what we are shown and told in the manga.
Then you act like Gojo, who is known to never be humble, saying that he isn't sure he would have won means nothing. Gojo can see what everyone's techniques do, he knows about incarnation, his opinion on the matter is much more important than anyone elses, including Sukuna. If he isn't sure he would win - Sukuna did have a way of beating him and Gojo knew how.
To say that Gojo would win you have to ignore such things as: Incarnated Sukuna being blatantly superior physically in speed, strength and durability than when he simply piloted Megumi's body; Sukuna not switching his domain's conditions to attack the inside of Gojo's barrier once it was weakened; Sukuna having to hold back in using domain amplification as to not stop Mahoraga's adaptation too much.
You seem to not care that Gojo and Sukuna were equally matched at the start of the fight, before Mahoraga was even out: theor domains broke twice at the exact same moment. Even a small advantage would make Gojo's domain break faster, forcing him into a loosing position.
Gojo was always meant to loose, the reading comprehension is not strong with this one
After all the arguing about this topic over the years I personally came to the conclusion that Gojo is the strongest sorcerer in history and Sukuna is the most skilled sorcerer in history.
He needed Mahoraga to beat Gojo and I don't think that is an L. That was his plan from the start. And I don't know why Sukuna simps have such a hard time admiting that. I think planing/skeming for a way to win a fight is also a part of scaling a character.
He is smart and he knows what he needs to do to beat anyone.
And I don't think there is any point in talking about "Would Sukuna beat Gojo without Mahoraga?" because that would never happen. If he could win that he wouldn't have needed Megumin in the first place.
What if he didn't have Megumi after all? Then he would have found another way to win. Maybe it would have taken a lot longer to prepare the alternative, maybe it would have included more risky, underhanded methods but he would have found a way to do it.
To me this makes more sense. A powerful character is someone who needs to put in the least amount of effort for the biggest results. And a skilled character is someone who can be weaker than their opponent but overcome them with planing.
Is Sukuna powerful? Yes. Because he can annihilate everyone (except Gojo) with no effort. And if someone more powerful comes along he is skilled enough to overcome them and become more powerful as a result.
In a way I guess you could say he is similar to Mahoraga. The only way to beat Sukuna is to kill him with a surprise attack that he is unaware of. Cuz if he sees you coming he can read you, your ability, your everything and find a way to adapt to it and counter it.
So yeah, this was a long ass monologue but I think I presented well why it makes sense that Gojo is stronger and why it doesn't matter because Sukuna can just overcome anyone anyway.
I agree with the first half but u assuming that sukuna could still win somehow I dont like.
The domain fight would have ended differently because he was stronger and has 4 arms which means the hands to hands would have ended differently which means he could kill him with his domain the reason why he couldn't was because he took brain damage form gojo domain with is why he couldn't use his domain and gojo had to heal himself and gojo took brain damage from healing his brain so yep gojo would loses so stop being a gojo fanboy.
haian era sukuna doesn't have the 10 shadows and there is no proof he was stronger back than
We actually see in the fight why Sukuna would beat Gojo without ten shadows.
If Sukuna won or tied the last domain clash it would be wraps for Gojo, because Sukuna could use atleast 1 more domain if it wasn’t for void doing brain damage.
Gojo only gets this last domain off because Sukuna is more damaged, so if Sukuna is double chanting with 2 curse tools and spamming the flame arrow Gojo would be so damaged he’ll die or another domain tie.
Bro sukuna finger doesn't increase in power over time that was an mistranslation, also u just coping lol. Sukuna win cons are simply insane and there's nothing in the vid that broku said wrong lol.
1. Bro, if Sukuna never had 10s active inside the domain, Sukuna wouldn't have turned off MS Surehit on the inside and just attacked Gojo's weaken inside barrier with a net of cleave that would just adjust to the domain barrier CE destroying in one shot period (Gojo's inside barrier walls would be weak as the outside barrier walls he had in the 1st clash, so that shit getting K.O. by a net of cleave).
2. Chants boost C&D to 120%, which means stronger surehit for MS, thus breaking UV before 3 min 9s. If chants boost C&D, then by default C&D in MS would be stronger, as MS would grant this boosted C&D a surehit effect. (chants boost CT/surehit (= your CT), not strength of the barrier). Heain Sukuna can chant endlessly, which means he can match the duration of MS being out.
3. If gojo, while going all out (as stated in chaps 234 and 236), is amplified by his domain when sukuna turns off MS Surehit, add the fact that sukuna took the riskier route and took more damage by turning off DA, and gojo still stalemated with that sukuna???!! to the point where Chap 228 said he would run out of options( he did run out of options) and lose. Bro, if Sukuna was in true form with a stronger base and kept DA on, Gojo wouldn't make it in 3 minutes 9 seconds; Sukuna just needs to last 2, 3, 4, and 5 seconds longer, and Gojo UV is destroyed( even if Sukuna was ever in true form and just used DA alone, DA alone is nullifying blue and reducing red damage by 85-95%).
4. If Sukuna did use a flame arrow (chanted flame arrow too) or any other hidden CT on Gojo while Uv was destroyed in the 1st or 2nd domain clash while Gojo is already running MAX OUTPUT RCT for MS, the additional damage would mess up Gojo, making MS kill him after so much time or because his RCT would reach shit level to the point where Gojo wouldn't be able to survive MS for a 2nd or 3rd time( like if Sukuna did land that MS a 3rd time on Gojo in chap 230). Gojo healing his CT wasn't the main factor, because his RCT to drop so low as damaging your brain only proves you from using DE not heal; it was only MS that caused Gojo to run his RCT at FULL OUTPUT, not healing his brain. So taking L al day lol.
Good troll 😂
Ngl budah a clown lol
Bro sukuna finger doesn't increase in power over time that was an mistranslation( so heain era as the same amount of CE as current one), also u just coping lol. Sukuna win cons are simply insane.
1. Bro, if Sukuna never had 10s active inside the domain, Sukuna wouldn't have turned off MS Surehit on the inside( able to use his CTs) and just attacked Gojo's weaken inside barrier with a net of cleave that would just adjust to the domain barrier CE destroying in one shot period (Gojo's inside barrier walls would be weak as the outside barrier walls he had in the 1st clash, so that shit getting K.O. by a net of cleave).
2. Chants boost C&D to 120%, which means stronger surehit for MS, thus breaking UV before 3 min 9s. If chants boost C&D, then by default C&D in MS would be stronger, as MS would grant this boosted C&D a surehit effect. (chants boost CT/surehit ( surehit = your CT), not strength of the domain barrier). Heain Sukuna can chant endlessly, which means he can match the duration of MS being out.
3. If gojo, while going all out (as stated in chaps 234 and 236), is amplified by his domain when sukuna turns off MS Surehit, add the fact that sukuna took the riskier route and took more damage by turning off DA, and gojo still stalemated with that sukuna???!! to the point where Chap 228 said he would run out of options( he did run out of options) and lose. Bro, if Sukuna was in true form with a stronger base and kept DA on, Gojo wouldn't make it in 3 minutes 9 seconds; Sukuna just needs to last 2, 3, 4, and 5 seconds longer, and Gojo UV is destroyed( even if Sukuna was ever in true form and just used DA alone, DA alone is nullifying blue punches and reducing red damage by 85-95%).
4. If Sukuna did use a flame arrow (chanted flame arrow too) or any other hidden CT on Gojo while Uv was destroyed in the 1st or 2nd domain clash while Gojo is already running MAX OUTPUT RCT for MS, the additional damage would mess up Gojo, making MS kill him after so much time or because his RCT would reach shit level to the point where Gojo wouldn't be able to survive MS for a 2nd or 3rd time( like if Sukuna did land that MS a 3rd time on Gojo in chap 230, gojo would die). Gojo healing his CT wasn't the main factor that cuz his RCT to drop that LOW, healing CT doesn't require u to blast rct at full output & damaging your brain only provents you from using DE, it stop u from healing. it was only MS that caused Gojo to run his RCT at FULL OUTPUT, not healing his brain. So taking L all day lol.
Btw where was Sukuna’s Fingers gaining more curse energy overtime confirmed too be a mistranslation?
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@@explosivegrape go read the offical translation lol, bros that read the japanese version said it was wrong, sukuna power doesn't get stronger lol, its the seal on the finger getting weaker so fingers are gaining back there original strenght everyday and gojo can't fine anybody that can seal them up back.
@@twinbrosgamersja4919 Which people said it was wrong?
Cope harder halfjo splitaru fanboy, maybe if you plead hard enough gege will bring back your king as a vegetable.😂
Gojo ain't winning a against a heian version of sukuna that has more CE two extra hands and a mouth to chant while casting and fighting as well as superior physical strength. Kashimo said it best "this version of sukuna was perfection".
Not having Ten Shadows is a huge blow to his arsenal but he'll still win since this version of sukuna would be better at domains slightly and that's all he needs to win. Since megkuna vs gojo was super neck and neck , sukuna with slightly better base stats would win all the domain clashes.
The only reason he lost a domain clash was because he was 0.01 seconds late because he lost hand to hand (chap 229). Heian sukuna is slightly better than megkuna in everyway including hand to hand he would have won that clash as well.
Sure true form sukuna might be perfect sorccerer
But gojo has such hacks with his infinity
Its like comparing an army of thousands of people
To gojos infinity nuke
No matter how strong sukuna is
If He cant reach
And can get one shooted
Sukuna loses
@@Xeno7001domain amplification, domain expansion
@@Xeno7001 this what im saying
u have no proof heian era sukuna is stronger then current sukuna or sukuna before cutting space itself. The fingers got stronger over time and he ate all of them so how sukuna not stronger than he was in the past
@@budah2nice562 I’m not saying that Heian Sukuna is stronger than current Sukuna or megkuna with dimensional slash, just that the Four-armed form of Sukuna would perform better at domain clashes than megkuna because of the extra hands and mouth for jujutsu. The better hand-to-hand and better casting is crucial for such a close fight like this.
The only reason Gojo won a domain clash was because Sukuna lost in *HAND-TO-HAND* (chap 229) and was late to the expansion(0.01 sec) barely because he was healing it off. With 2 extra hands he’s not losing hand-to-hand he’ll at the very least be equal.
And if Sukuna *tied* or won that domain clash he would have just won the battle right then and there because *Gojo couldn't expand his domain because of RCT overuse brain damage and if Sukuna didn't take the information dump from unlimited void then he would be able to open his domain again.*
Nah you buggin
u bugging
😂😂😂gojo is a bum, couldnt save Rika, geto, megumi, nobara, or anyone else important in his life, gojo is a fraud thru and thru(he only strong bc toji killed him and put him in his place and gojo got saved by the plot😂) and tbh there were several moments in the domain battle where sukuna was equal to casting time to gojo however with four arms and two mouths he would have beat gojo several times 😂idk man you need to get gojos meat out of your mouth it’s embarrassing tbh😂 gojo is literally the definition of plot armor
Cope harder 🫶🏿
u can't disprove anything i said
@@budah2nice562 your man is dead get over it 😀
@@budah2nice562Meatrider detected Opinion rejected
No 😂
yes
Gojo the most cocky character say yea I doubt I'd be able to be sukuna in his prime and that he didn't
Gojo fan base: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
236 chapter answered these questions.
And put respect on Kaido name. He got jumped, and ran through a gauntlet. 1v1 Kaido got it.
If you want to base your whole argument off what a character said then don't forget that Sukuna himself said he needed Mahoraga to pull off the move that he used to kill him. Mahoraga also saved him multiple times in the fight.
@@MichaelengeloMC and gojo himself said Sukana didn’t go all out. Maybe gojo was lying.
Bro keep coping he lost 😂
(Didn’t watch the video)
i was talking about sukuna without 10 shadows. U gotta watch if your going to comment
@@budah2nice562 without the ten shadows he would’ve transformed into his full STRONGER form won the domain clash and the fight would’ve been over
Sukuna used gojo and the ten shadows as a way for him to get stronger because there is no longer any defence in Jjk that can block his attacks
Bro you are coping
ur coping. Sukuna lost without 10 shadows
@@budah2nice562Says a random mf with 100 subs 😂