idk what people mean when they say heiyan sukuna would be better than gojo at hand to hand just because he has 2 more arms, do you know what meguna had, maharaga, do you know what maharaga has, these hands, if those 3 goliaths at the same time were being man handled by gojo then suki wuki with 2 more doesnt do shit either
Just to let you know, Sukuna's domain actually doesn't break after the first domain clash. Gojo hits him with a red then gets out of its range. In the following chapter you literally see him standing just outside the range of MS and Sukuna is still standing in it with the shrine intact. Also, in the second domain clash, it is literally not possible for Sukuna to activate the Dharma wheel since he needs to use domain amplification to touch Gojo for the reason of avoiding the sure hit of unlimited void while the sure hit of MS is off. We already know that a user can not use any of their unique cursed techniques while using domain amplification. It's much more likely that Sukuna activated the wheel in the first domain clash where they don't fight h2h and had it running throughout that first scrap where Gojo has no CT, up until the second domain clash where they actually start fighting h2h in the domain. Another thing is that Gojo casts a total of 5 domains, while Sukuna casts a total of 3. Sukuna's first domain beat Gojo's first two and stalemated the third when Gojo shrunk it. They stalemate again for the fourth clash, and Gojo opens his domain .01 seconds before Sukuna for the fifth domain clash. And Gojo's output being low is not the sole reason the Red doesn't do a lot of damage to Maho. The other reason he notes is that Maho has already started adapting to Red and has gained some resistance due to that.
Gojo wins by a landslide, sukunas fingers gained more cursed energy over time giving us the powerful sukuna we see today. heian era would be the equivalent or close to the power of 15f sukuna
Heian form sukuna will constantly be using domain amp. Infinity will be rendered useless. Sukuna only used domain amp in the og fight very minimally because using it stops the adaptation process!
If we take actually Sukuna from the Heian Era then it's very likely he didn't even know DA, but if we take a hypothetical current Heain Sukuna then yes xd.
This fight really comes down to Domains since without ten shadows or Megumi if Sakuna gets caught lacking at all in Gojo’s domain he instantly loses while Gojo can get away with tanking Sakuna’s domain for a couple seconds. Also if Sakuna loses access to his domain and Gojo doesn’t lose access to Infinity he loses the fight simply because all of his actually strong attacks won’t work and Gojo can spam do whatever the fuck he wants. Even if Infinity is taken down Sakuna still has a hard fought battle but at least he has a chance.
Gojo was out of domains, if Sukuna wasn't hit with Unlimited Void - Gojo would be stuck in an enclosed Malevolent Shrine. But that's not the first difference in Sukuna's favour - their domains broke at the exact same time twice, if Sukuna was in his heian era form, both times Gojo's domain would break first. Gojo was also better in hand to hand than Sukuna in Megumi's body, and we know that the difference between Megumi's body and Sukuna's are immense (see Kashimo fight, where even in regards to speed Sukuna grew tremendously with Incarnation, despite not renewing his energy). Domains also seem to empower their owners and depower their opponents, meaning aside from having to keep up RCT constantly, Gojo will be at a constant disadvantage in every aspect. Overall, there isn't much Gojo could have done to win
But then sukuna would not be able to send the damage from UV to Megumis soul and he would have to endure it... And outside domains there's nothing sukuna can do to bypass infinity and all his attacks would be useless
@@rishavraj6973 in regards to Megumi's soul - it isn't reasonable to assume that Sukuna wouldn't be able to make it endure the damage from Unlimited Void. It taking the damage wasn't a part of the ten shadows in general or Mahoraga specifically and Megumi's soul is still there after Incarnation. If we would be talking about Sukuna's original body, before he was split into cursed objects and took over any other bodies, then I would agree (at leas there are extra arguments needed). As for not having any methods of bypassing infinity aside from the domain - if the clashes end aith Gojo being trapped in an enclosed Malevolent Shrine against Incarnated Sukuna, domain amplification would he plenty enough to win. Sukuna was so confident in winning before realising that Unlimited Void hit him that adapting to Infinity was treated more like a bonus than a goal
@matthewzaslavets8423 My friend, Sukuna intentionally sends the surehit to Megumi's soul to make the wheel on Megumi's soul adapt. As we know, Sukuna can alter the conditions of his domain as he pleases, as he did in chapter 227. Since Sukuna knew that Gojo Satoru's domain targets everything within its range, he made his domain target everything except himself. Therefore, if Gojo's domain targets everything except himself, Megumi's soul won't be targeted, and Sukuna won't take this approach to adapt.
@@matthewzaslavets8423Also, my friend, regarding your previous comment about Sukuna's chances of winning, you forgot something important, which is breaking the domain from the inside. If Sukuna destroys the domain from the inside just once, he will win.
@@JosEph26491 I'm not disagreeing with you, I just talk about the fact that making Megumi's soul endure Unlimited Void is something he could theoretically do even if he incarnated first.
My friend, if Sukuna had destroyed Gojo Satoru's domain from the inside once instead of staying in it for three minutes, he would have won the fight. Gojo wouldn't be able to heal himself with Reverse Cursed Technique (RCT), as we saw he struggled to heal from Mahoraga's sword attack and Sukuna's water attack, which we know are not as powerful as slashing attacks. We also know that Gojo was using RCT to the maximum extent in chapter 226. Additionally, my friend, there's another thing that many people overlook, which is that Sukuna can make his domain smaller to increase the power of his sure hit. Also, let's not forget that Sukuna is better than Gojo in barrier techniques.
Yes, that's right, my friend. But as you know, the reason Sukuna waited inside the domain for three minutes, and did it twice-meaning he spent over six minutes in Gojo's domain without using a cursed technique-was due to the Ten Shadows technique. So, if he didn’t have it, he wouldn't have needed to wait inside Gojo's domain. Regarding the damage that led to Sukuna's domain being destroyed, as you know, Sukuna can't touch Gojo without the domain amplification. If he does amplify it, he won't be able to use the Ten Shadows technique to adapt. Don’t forget that domain amplification acts as a protective shield, guarding him from physical damage and also from the Red and Blue techniques. However, Sukuna was forced to abandon it due to the Ten Shadows technique, allowing the wheel to adapt to the sure hit. This means he gave up a significant advantage within the domain. Even Gojo himself wondered about it, saying that Sukuna was choosing the harder option by destroying the domain from the outside. He mentioned that he held the advantage within the domain since Sukuna couldn't attack without amplifying the domain. @@justaviewer7803
@@JosEph26491 he needed 10s to defeat gojo, so he has no choice, because shrine alone can't kill gojo. I too was wondering why Gojo didnt use a binding vow to remove the rule of his domain that whoever touches him is immune to his domain and just letting sukuna fight him in his domain, while sukuna on the other hand is using so much binding vow to somehow make his way through Victory.
It would a boring fight limited to domain expansion and sukuna would win after 5 clashes and gojo gets brain damage. Because lets be honest gojo not dominating heian era sukuna in hand to hand in 3 minutes to claps his domain. Especially if without 10 shadows in the way sukuna would just be running amp inside his domain. Gojo is not landing void.
@@Meliodas-uv1tp sukuna getting slumped came way after the domain clashes concluded and that happened because sukuna completely disabled domain amplification to adapt mahoraga (no domain amplification means he cant nullify gojos output or bypass infinity to fight back at all) but inside of the domain clashes gojo was only able to damage sukuna after 3 minutes of fighting at the very last second before his own barrier broke from the outside. heian era sukuna is better suited for hand to hand combat and no matter how much of an amp you think he gets, hed definitely be able to last 1 extra second before getting damaged. that means gojo never lands uv, and sukuna never gets brain damage so he keeps his domain while gojo doesnt and gojo dies shortly after chapter 230
Gotta remember that 4 arm can do the hollow wicker basket, and sukuna was specifically trying to adapt so he wasn’t fighting as offensively as he could. But, without mahoraga, how does he get through the barrier?
Here's my thoughts on the matter. In chapter 228 Gojo made it clear that Sukuna was taking riskier options during their domain clashes despite the fact that Gojo switch the internal and external conditions of his domain's barrier all so he could get Mahoraga to adapt to infinite void, and since it took 3 minutes for both domains to collapse (malevolent shrine collapsing do to Gojo dealing enough damage to Sukuna) means if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he could have collapsed Gojo's domain from the inside and brake it in less than 3 minutes before Gojo could damage him and keep repeating it until Gojo fries his brain to the point where he would not only be unable to existent his domain but he's R.C.T wouldn't be as fast as it was before. Also another risk that Sukuna was taking was not using "domain amplification" to nullify/minimize the effectiveness of Gojo's techniques during the 3rd and 4th domain clashes because it would have interfered with Mahoraga's adaptation, so if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he would have double down on DA during the domain clashes which would have prevented Gojo from dealing enough damage to Sukuna to the point where he wouldn't be able to maintain "Malevolent Shrine". Also chapter 247 informs us that the way Sukuna was using domain amplification during his fight with Gojo would allow him to disable his own curse techniques but won't cancel them out as a whole as shown when the Dharmachakra wheel on Sukuna's head turned black rather than vanishing, thus telling us that Sukuna wasn't using DA to its absolute fullest and could have completely nullified Gojo's techniques rather than just minimizing the effectiveness of them. Also keep in mind that Sukuna's secondary pair of hands and his second mouth would allow him to invoke incantation and hand signs which would not only increase the effectiveness and strength of his techniques but could even potentially make "Malevolent Shrine" even more refined and courting to Gojo in a domain clash the one that's more refined one will win clash and since their domains were already evenly matched if Sukuna did invoke hands signs and incantations in order to further refine he domain then Gojo's domain well collapse much faster then it would have normally. So yeah even without the 10 shadows Sukuna would have still won.
A nerfed heian sukuna with like 20% of his power ate JACCOB LADDER MAX, 7 BLACK FLASH from Yuji, SOUL PLIT KATANA, AND ALL SORCERERS ATTACKS and still Kicking white 19F Meguna Was knocked off by a black flash so SIMPLE HEIAN SUKUNA 20% nerfed IS STRONGER, DURABLE than meguna... So that's mean HEIAN sukuna will just Eat Gojo in Hand to hand since he can use Domain amplification with 4 Hands and can even use Domain expansion with low hands since his fighting Gojo with 2 Upper hands 😬!!! And in a domain Clashs Gojo was forced to spam RCT and SD to stay alive frying his brain that's mean if they continued Gojo would've lose he just won the last domain cause sukuna landed 0.1s later cause he was healing himself but HEIAN sukuna can do hands signs since he's healing so he wouldn't have the problem and sukuna said he can close his domain to prevent Gojo to run! 🤗 And even destroy it by inside (Stated by Gojo himself) so HEIAN SUKUNA will definitely WIPE Gojo in a domain clash too.
This is the most shitty reasoning my boy. Sukuna using DA didn’t even let him get one hit in on Gojo, maybe once or twice. Gojo has a hard counter to his four arms, he knows it’s an advantage, knowingly he will try to rip his arms off since we know he can put holes in Sukunas chest very easily. We also know that Gojo just has to keep some distance if he doesn’t think he will win in h2h with the four arms. He can just use blue to throw Sukuna around
@@chiymaiWhy not? Have anything or statement from Gege or any calc to back it up? You can't just say "no". Bro was *mostly* "keyword: mostly" cooking with this. OG Sukuna IS the main villain, no sh!t he gonna be strong! And that's not including Meguna is a much, much weaker body, even weaker than yukuna. An alway AMP and chanted Sukuna's attack *May* get through Infinity.
If this is what the black box was all about just the fire arrow then , Gojo CT is seriously so much better. It gives you access to INFINITY, FLIGHT, TELEPORTATION and not to mention the best sure hit effect i. e. UV. I would much rather have gojo's arsenal like space time abilities are so much better and convenient. Had it not been for the world slash which Sukuna just got, his arsenal is kinda underwhelming.
If it weren’t for mahoraga, gojo could have just freely spammed his abilities as much as he wanted without worrying about mahoraga adapting and sukuna would have no possibility to survive if he got caught in domain
if there was no mahoraga , sukuna would've prioritized his DA and DE rather than taking hits for mahoraga to adapt , that 0.01 seconds hit of UV would've never happened since sukuna would've running DA constantly since he doesn't need to turn it off for mahoragas adaptation
@@hk_asa0pvp sukuna wasn’t intentionally taking hits lol. If sukuna kept his domain amplification on he would have to fight hand to hand and that goes horribly for sukuna. Also, before mahoraga got involved in the fight sukuna got slumped standing up and then mahoraga literally had to save him. The fight would have ended right there without mahoraga
@@hk_asa0pvp and gojo can counter his domain or even just tank it if needed. The fight literally ended with sukuna blown In half, no domain, no longer able to use cursed energy, no rct, and barely alive. Gojo was barely injured and the damage was from his own purple and domain spamming. Sukuna won because gojo let his gaurd down, mahoraga adapted to infinity last second to create the world slash, and then he made a binding vow to chant and use handsigns every time he used the worldslash, just to make the attack fast enough ti hits gojo when he was off gaurd
@@Meliodas-uv1tp well too bad if you haven't digested the chapter , sukuna stated it himself that he is purposefully taking hits since in order for maho to adapt. again that HP hit would've never occurred since sukuna doesn't have mahoraga to take care of , especially that 0.01 UV since he'd be constantly running DA , meaning also no blackflash , gojos brain would've still fried even if there was no mahoraga since sukuna tops DE clashes . sukuna is also able to use DA inside his domain since his technique is imbued to the domain , meaning the domain is acting as a separate entity that holds sukunas technique meaning he is essentially not using any technique other than DA, hand to hand wise it doesn't really matter since sukuna would be using DE to attack and DA for defense. if gojo were to focus on his techniques like red , blue and purple DA simply tanks it or either sukuna dodges , hollow purple is never going to hit sukuna since it requires chanting that favors on sukuna which would have seconds to respond due to the chantings and CE output prediction.
@@Meliodas-uv1tp sukuna was blown , unable to use rct , that's because he got hit lol, all of those was thanks to sukunas idiocy of miscalculations regarding mahoragas adaptation DE hit sukuna like a bus since he was too busy doing rct without using DA since he turned it off for the sake of mahoragas adaptation , and then got chained with a blackflash due to.... again letting himself get hit for mahoragas adaptation. again prior to my statement without maho , that fight would've been boring as balls , since sukuna would just use DE as attack and DA as defense
@@xebec995yeah but we are assuming that it can kill gojo, gojo is not mahoraga he will not die to an attack like that also sukuna needs to charge that attack, also gojo is extremely fast I am almost certain he can dodge it. But also I have this question why gojo did not use hollow purple when they were fighting for 3 minutes and 9 seconds why didn’t gojo just spam hollow purple.
@@ghostfaceinyourbathroom219012 might still be a bit much. I think it fully depends on if we’re going with manga or anime mahoraga. I’m only familiar with anime so I’ll be going with that. Multiple times in the fight sukkuna did have a look of fear in his eyes and looked absolutely shocked during malevolent shrine. Compare that to jogo who is only 9 fingers and he got absolutely wrecked.
@@alc4528 Good points, and yeah it really is two different arguments because of how they adapted the fight in the anime. But from what I know (I haven’t gone back to read the fight in the manga) the fight only lasted like 2 chapters.
He actually is. Legit tanked the domain expansion, and cleaves and dismantle. Take away fire arrow, and sukuna literally has NOTHING even at 15f to take mahoraga down at that point. It's actually much closer than u think. The fight was so quick in the manga because he realized just how much of an absolute threat mahoraga is.
What i like about jjk is that even if a character is stronger than others. They can still loose by technicality. I do believe that Sukuna needed Mahoraga to win but he could have also won on his Heian Era form. However, seeing how the fight went on, it was more like Sukuna used Mahoraga as a way to beat Gojo with risk at the beginning from taking so much damage but reward later by killing Gojo. However, if he was in his Heian form, he could have won but things would be much different. At first, he could surpass Gojo is hand-to-hand combat and chanting (but it wouldn't be very effected if infinity is activated). Were he could lose though is that if he didn't know he would fight everyone else. He would also play it safe with his attacks(mostly using amplification) and play the long run against Gojo and could cause risk later on if he messes one step. I also want to add that it has been said that when Sukuna was in the Heian era, he had his 2 cursed tools and at full power, beat the Angel clan, Fujiwara clan, and Suguwara clan(predecessors to the Gojo clan). With the Suguwara clan having the original infinity cursed technique(Mostly just Michizane Suguwara), Sukuna would know of ways to beat infinity, but with Gojo always experimenting and advancing his technique, he would prove troublesome to Heian Sukuna. Finally, the Hollow Purple technique was said to only be known how it is used through a few members of the Gojo clan. It could be that the technique was recently created or that its been there since the infinity cursed technique so we don't know if Sukuna had full prior knowledge of it before he saw it first in the series.
I like sukuna more but saying heian could beat Gojo completely refutes the whole part of the story where he gets 10s and never transforms specifically to fight Gojo… like how is this a debate? Gojo just whops heian sukuna… that’s the whole point of everything involving megumi
Except that's just wrong. 1. Sukuna doesn't transform because he knows he will have to fight everyone after he wins against Gojo, so he saved the instant restore to after he won. 2. Sukuna didn't want 10 shadows because it had mahoraga, he wanted it because it was a cool technique. Then he realised it also had mahoraga, which means he can use it to grow stronger via copying its adaptations.
@@palmtv3538 Except that's just wrong, because he's literally about to kill Megumi until he sees Mahoraga's invocation, and Mahoraga was narratively introduced to be used by Sukuna against Gojo's infinity, Sukuna obviously likes the 10 shadows as a technique but his main interest IS Mahoraga. I repeat, Mahoraga narratively exists just to help Sukuna cut through infinity, and that's the main reason he finally decides to take over Megumi.
@@martin5902 1. Sukuna never was after killing Megumi, he just wanted to see everything Megumi had because he could be a suitable vessel, Like he wanted Megumi before even knowing about Mahoraga getting through infinity. We legit know Sukuna plays with his food if they are interested, which he was, and he has shown to train his opponent mid fight 2. His main reason to take over Megumi was so he could have control of a body, it being Megumi is only because its better than someone random Narrativly and logically. Mahoraga was legit in 3rd place of reasons to take megumi, first because he wanted control, second Megumi has 10 shadows, and third Mahoraga.
incorrection on somethings, gojo after 5th DE clash gojo never had one more DE to use, as when he tried cast one more UV his brain break and the DE wasn't casted but if sukuna wasn't hit by UV then sukuna would be able to use MS again = gojo is done and since gojo lost his DE sukuna wouldn't feel the need to heal CT burn since Uv is gone, so his CT burn out would heal naturally, aka No more brain damage. Since sukuna only healed his Ct burn to counter UV, with Uv gone sukuna would adapt to infinity and use DA to reduce certain damage.
My arguments are different, in my humble OPINION, gojo won against Sukuna heian. *Misunderstandings* 1. *Malevolent Shrine's chants and slashes*: There is no evidence in the manga that Sukuna needs to chant or use more hands to power up his domain's slashes. In chapter 259, when he uses his domain with only one hand, it is not observed that the effectiveness of the slashes changes. This implies that the use of more hands does not have a direct impact on the attack power or range of the Malevolent Shrine. In chapter 259, Sukuna was damaged, and proceeds to make a domain, Sukuna used a binding vow (in exchange for being able to invoke the domain with one hand, and other unknown things, I will be able to invoke the domain, but only for 99 seconds) even so, the power of the cuts of this incomplete domain, have exactly the same power, and I believe that Sukuna's malevolent shrine, the only limitation was the time at 99 seconds. If with one hand, its power and range is the same as with two hands, it suggests that it would be the same in the opposite direction. The chants serve to enhance the shrine imbued in Sukuna's body, but not the shrine imbued in the domain 2. *Sukuna's domain escape*: The idea that Sukuna could have killed Gojo with the thermobaric explosion is unrealistic. Kamino Fuga is not only a slow process, but it is also not guaranteed to be effective (Choso Block part of the explosion proving that Fuga is not part of the safe effect). If Sukuna had attempted Fuga, Gojo could have used a simple hold, and taken advantage to restore his *limitless* (infinite), escape and protect himself before Sukuna's attack was completed, or worse, attack Sukuna. This would have left Sukuna vulnerable, making the decision to use Fuga even riskier. (Choso Block Fuga blood) 3. *Weapons*: It is not relevant to consider the use of weapons in this fight, as doing so would weaken the argument in favor of Sukuna. The fact that Sukuna has to resort to weapons would indicate a lack of power, and if weapons are discussed in his case, it would also be necessary to review the possibility that Gojo could have used other weapons. In this sense, the fight becomes more about personal skills than external equipment. *Statements within the manga* 1. *GOJO SAID HE'S SORRY SUKUNA DIDN'T GIVE HIS BEST, OF COURSE! BUT HE'S REFERRING TO MEGUNA* しかも宿儺は 全力出し切って ねえってんだから Basically, it's true, it means Sukuna didn't give his all, that's true, but the context is that this Sukuna, that Gojo refers to, when saying "Sukuna didn't give" he's referring to the current Sukuna, the "Meguna" Sukuna. This version of Sukuna that Gojo refers to has a larger arsenal than normal, this Sukuna is a Meguna, not a Heian. Gojo's phrase refers to Sukuna not giving more, but it refers to the current Sukuna, this Meguna has MORE COUNTERS towards Gojo, Meguna has MORE CARDS against Gojo than Sukuna would have in the Heian era. So Sukuna MEGUNA can afford not to try his best, and remember, not giving everything doesn't mean not trying, and remember, it's the Sukuna in Megumi's body that Gojo talks about, he never said that about Sukuna in his original body. Sukuna "Meguna" didn't give his all, because this version of him could afford that luxury, unlike the Heian who has less cards. 2. *Sukuna's fear*: When we go to Japanese. You're all wrong. The kanji used don't have a direct translation into Spanish or English, in fact the official translation given in the American media was "uneasy". But the interpretation of the kanji derives in the following (since there is no direct translation): -uncomfortable -worried -anxious -accelerated -stressed -apprehensive -panic -FEAR is also one of the possible translations. All of the above are valid translations and words if we look at the kanji. -,The phrase "high on tension" is a strange translation, which would never have occurred to me as such, but I could think that it could fit, but it is at least, a strange translation. Seriously, where did they get the phrase "high on tension" from? Was it a pirated manga? Or worse yet, VLZ? With this, saying that Sukuna felt fear is as accurate as saying that Sukuna was uncomfortable, worried, anxious, etc. All of these are possible depending on the kanji used. 3. *Gojo and the 10 shadows*: If we go to the translation given, we have one that says that he doesn't know, doesn't affirm, confirm, or deny, it only says that he doesn't know what he would win, specifically in the phrase "あっちに 恵の十種が なかったとしても 勝てたか怪しい" The kanji used, especially in 怪しい represent an unknown or doubt... I would rarely say suspicion... Another translation given is that "it would be damn close" I don't like this translation given in the American media. But if we go to the kanji, the phrase is "even without the ten shadows, I doubt...". If you don't believe me, ask. But there is no confirmation of defeat, there is no claim of victory, only doubt of the possible outcome *Statements by author Gege Akutami* Although I do not have the interview in Japanese to translate, but in Spanish and English, Gege Akutami, the author of *Jujutsu Kaisen*, has mentioned in interviews that the only way Sukuna was able to beat Gojo was thanks to the use of *Mahoraga* (one of the 10 shadows techniques). This reinforces the idea that Sukuna, on his own, without the help of that technique, would not have been able to defeat Gojo. Akutami even pointed out that the fight was designed to be interesting and strategic, using elements like the 10 shadows to create a balance. In essence, without that external intervention, Sukuna would not have had the ability to win. (margin of error, I don't have the interview in Japanese, only in Spanish and English) *Cheating and preparation of both* The thing is, that Utahime's only affected the first attack, which was more of a warning than an attack to kill, and it doesn't matter because Sukuna used the deer of the 10 shadows (from the ability of Megumi's stolen body) to heal his arm. The thing about Gojo's barrier reduction he obtained it through an empirical approach from experience APART and nothing to do with an observation of Sukuna. (Look at Yuta, when he took Gojo's body, the first thing he did was shrink the barrier to resist the malevolent shrine, Yuta's was by directly seeing the fight with Sukuna) While Sukuna obtained DIRECTLY and RELATED TO GOJO the way to counter the infinite void. Sukuna entered the fight with a series of advantages that Gojo did not have. Not only was he using Megumi's stolen techniques, such as the 10 shadows, but he also had prior knowledge of Gojo's *limitless*, something Gojo did not possess in relation to Sukuna. This allowed Sukuna to be able to plan his attacks more effectively, resulting in his victory. Furthermore, Sukuna was able to keep his distance and heal himself during the fight, taking advantage of abilities that were not originally his. Gojo, on the other hand, did not know that Sukuna's domain could be opened, which put him at a disadvantage from the start. If both had had the same level of preparation, the balance would have been different. Such as using the "basketball" domain from the start, or using "fallen petals" in the event that the MS destroyed the UV, making the cuts not deep, thus not being in real danger in the first place. *Logical Aspects* Gojo fought against a powered-up Sukuna, who not only had access to stolen skills, but also vast knowledge about Gojo's weaknesses. Despite all these advantages, Gojo came very close to winning. This shows that, had Sukuna not had those additional cheats, Gojo would likely have emerged victorious. The Sukuna in his original Heian era form, while stronger in physical terms, would not have had the strategic adaptations that made the fight so difficult for Gojo. *Conclusion* In short, Sukuna managed to beat Gojo thanks to a set of external factors, including Megumi's stolen techniques and his knowledge about Gojo's *Limitless* weaknesses. Without these advantages, the fight would have been different, and Gojo, with his innate abilities, would likely have won in a more balanced matchup. Gojo never felt like he was in any real danger, in the manga it's mentioned that it wasn't until Mahoraga broke his infinity that the possibility of losing his mind really came about, and even then, that possibility excited him, thrilled him, even pleased him. While Sukuna, as soon as he saw some difficulty, canonically felt fear and yelled at Mahoraga to do something.
Yeah well I agree with your points, though I think this fight could go either way. Given how full powered Meguna ate Purple twice (albeit nearly killed) and even weakened Heian era Sukuna took Purple from Yujo, I think this won't be easy for both (10S vs. Limitless was already exteeme diff for both). Even if we were to take that Heian era Sukuna can just spam DA on his four arms, I think Gojo might compete considering he kept up with both Maho, Agito, and weakened Sukuna. So if he manages to hit Sukuna with UV then yes it's his wincon, or else if Sukuna breaks his in less than 3 minutes (considering he won't be fighting riskier) then Gojo will reach his limit given it took 3 Domain clashes to collapse MS. But I have 2 questions: (1) If people say Heian Era Sukuna would demolish Gojo easier than Meguna, why did he went to Megumi's body in first place (aside from 10S and escaping Itadori cage)? (2) The time Yuji fought Sukuna in his Domain was the time the latter acquired RCT and could still expand his Domain. So that Sukuna is nearly at full power, right? Does that mean Yuji is closer to him (I know he won cuz of Nobara and Megumi but still)?
@@OtakuBoy2022 2. Thats cause Sukuna NEED a vessel, Yuji dismantles attack the ....Edge? Yeah Edge, between megumi and sukuna soul. And NOBARA also attack Sukuna soul. Sukuna NEEDS megumi corpse. If Sukuna..idk, could be in his true form 100% real no fake 4k HD. Yuji dismantles would mean nothing
I always thought of this as a rematch, so sukuna has prior knowledge as well as gojo, two things come from that is that sukuna still has world cutting slash and gojo can improv or plan alot better with much better versatility
I think the fight is really close either way but i would still give it to sukuna. Most people just view gojo as untouchable but even without mahoraga learning how to cut space is still possible. He wouldn't just have a example to copy off of he would just spend the whole fight trying to adjust his ce to do what he wants. People dont give sukuna enough credit for the fact he fought at a disadvantage evolved his technique against the one guy that truly challenged him than fought everyone after and only lost because he was bored and no one else actually challenged him...
@@TheLastRouge no he said he knew he was strong but sukuna was overwhelmingly stronger then him ….if sukuna was only twice as strong the gap wouldn’t have been this high
@@TanvirAhmed-bz2ox Good point but we don't knoiw the amps that the fingers gives the user it could just be that the gap of 1-2 fingers is geater than we thought let alone 6 finger gap
I think Heian Sukuna wins in the 5th domain clash. Also they had 5 domain clashes, Gojo had to cast 5 domains and won on the 5th ine while Sukuna had to cast only 3, as his first one overpowered two of Gojos domains. But yeah Heian Sukuna wins after Gojo braindamages himself. With the two extra arms Sukuna should be able to hang in with Gojo using blue to amp himself much better, leading to him never being late for the domain clash. Honestly if we are being realistic, Heian Sukuna should be able to beat Gojo with just two domains. Of course now we know the Fire Arrow wouldn't have worked on Gojo so Sukuna until after Gojo got brain fried, and without DA knowledge Sukuna would need to rely only on his DE to beat Gojo, so if he somehow loses access to it its GG.
12:03 "He was superior in hand to hand combat" nah bro😭😭😭 He had more advantage in hand to hand bcs of his Blue Technique, he always used Blue in the fight. You guys need to re-read whole fight, if Gojo had not use the Blue he wont be able to manage whole fight. Everytime he touched Sukuna, he used his Blue or Red. So I'm saying Gojo just trusted his technique in the whole fight, obviously Sukuna too trusted Mahoraga to pass the infinity. But Sukuna would be able to beat Gojo without Mahoraga, you guys need to accept that fact. Everytime Gojo uses RCT, his Cursed Energy output goes lower and lower and when he came to his limits, Sukuna could kill him in the domain.
No, Gojo is superior even without Blue. Gojo fought Sukuna in his domain WITHOUT blue (Sukuna's sure hit overuled Gojo's CT, so it was down), WHILE tanking slashes that were at 120% AND healing, AND fighting. Sukuna had a stat boost and still went even with Gojo in hand to hand. Gojo is just better at hand-to-hand. If nerfed Gojo can fight Meguna with a stat boost, then I'm he can handle Heian form Sukuna with four arms. It's not really deniable. The rest of the fight Sukuna doesn't land a clean hit on Gojo. At the start of the fight where Gojo dominates, Sukuna doesn't have the wheel out so the whole "He took hits on purpose to adapt to infinity" doesn't work.
@@falexie7802 Excuse me but when did Gojo fight properly in Sukuna's domain without himself technique?🤭🤭 Never, isnt it? When he's technique was recovered he just used Infinite Void or Blue/Red. We never saw Gojo dominate Sukuna in Malevolent Shrine without Limitless. You're just headcanoning. "The rest of the fight Sukuna doesn't land a clean hit on Gojo." bcs he doesnt care gave damage to Gojo, he just cares Mahogara's adaptation. We just saw when Sukuna use Domain Amp he just dodge or counter Gojo's moves. And that isnt headcanoning, it's the truth. When Gojo hit black flash to Sukuna he just simply used his Red again to hit😭😭 This man is fraud, like Sukuna in this fight. They're both trusted their techniques. Especially Gojo in the whole fight bro, you guys need to understand Gojo isnt anything without Blue or Red. And Sukuna trusted Mahoraga, Sukuna could win without Mahoraga in this fight. We saw the last domain clash, if Sukuna had 2 more arms he easily expand his domain at the time. Gojo would lose his domain, and Sukuna would trapped him inside his Shrine, simple.
Soooo… gojo cant use his blue during the domain clash with Sukuna, yet he destroyed him so much his domain collapsed in h2h (again while not being able to use blue, and also not having infinity) and comes out basically unphased? Buddy, make it make since. The manga clearly shows gojo being vastly superior to sukuna in h2h. Also lets not forget Gojo winning the h2h battle against Sukuna and Mahoraga (at times even agito)
@@baris9272this guy really said „headcannon“ when the manga directly states gojo damaged the shit out of sukuna , and its established that neither can use their technique (because thats just how domains work, which you completely ignore, you cannot use your technique while and after using domain, this is A FACT. Gojo >>> Sukuna in h2h
Prolly cuz he wants to get hit on purpose for mahoraga to adapt....But well even when it was a 3v1 and gojo was still winning so gojo would still beat sukuna in hand to hand
@kylelachama My friend, Sukuna didn't use any technique when he was fighting Gojo Satoru hand-to-hand. As we know, Gojo has Infinity for defense, also Blue, Red, and Purple for offense, and all of these techniques can harm Sukuna. Let's not forget that Gojo can enhance his speed and strikes with Blue as well. Therefore, Sukuna only has the option of domain amplification to bypass Infinity, and he had to cancel it to make Mahoraga's wheel adapt. He was sacrificing his only means of attack and defense, as domain amplification serves as a shield for Sukuna. Also, my friend, as you mentioned in your comment, Sukuna deliberately took damage, and since Sukuna took damage, this makes him less healthy than Gojo Satoru. Let's not forget that Gojo used Black Flash, which in turn enhances by 120%. Who do you think made Sukuna get hit by Black Flash? Definitely Mahoraga, as he gambled on taking the hit, and we didn't see the wheel turn black.
I do not watch this animebruh i was only so curious because it has been loud in social media lately. Now i know a little bit of the character, i see comments people explaining about technicalities of domain expansion its mind boggling bruh this anime is full of technicals and magic systems. Its amazing!!!
You said Red destroyed Sukuna's domain when it hit but it actually didn't, Gojo asks Sukuna if he can increase his domain range (meaning the Red gave Gojo the opportunity to leave the DE). You also said Gojo would have one more domain expansion after the time he gets brain-damaged. but that also isn't true. When Sukuna says Gojo can't use his domain expansion anymore, he confirmed it after Gojo had already TRIED TO USE IT and failed. This means that Heian Sukuna would win right there with 3 domain recharges left
Sukuna wins. He has too many advantages and his transformation explicitly cuts off Gojo's win conditions. Sukuna is simply superior in a domain fight. The chief weakness for Gojo is that he has to win the fist fight against Sukuna because his domain is incapable of destroying Sukuna's while Sukuna's is very capable of destroying his. Sukuna purposely took the slower option in destroying Gojo's domain in order to let Mahoraga adapt to Infinite Void. He was not trying to beat Gojo's domain, he was trying to make it a non-factor. Moreover, he did not actually use his curse technique (only the embedded technique in his domain) because he was using 10 Shadows (wheel on Megumi's soul). All of this is no longer a concern if Sukuna is in his Heian form.
That was the only way he could win against Gojo. Heian era sukuna only win con is a domain clash which they are equal(giving sukuna the benefit of the doubt) .Other than that what does sukuna have other than that he can’t win
@@Fusion237 He could theoretically beat Gojo to death with domain amplification, but it would be significantly harder and the favor would definitely swing Gojo's way in terms of win probability. 4 arms is nothing to scoff at, if he successfully blitzes Gojo even once with domain amplification he could simply pin him and take a bite out of him like he did Angel.
@@Tyrantofthewind I don’t think Gojo has an easy fight. I think he wins 7 out of ten battles. Even with 4 arms Gojo could prolly slam him in H2H. This would be a high-ext diff fight for Gojo.
@@Fusion237 Oh wait I just realized you said Sukuna and Gojo were equal in domain clash... LOL NO. Not even close. I have elaborated on that issue in other posts so I won't here, but suffice to say Gojo has absolutely no chance against Heian Sukuna in a domain clash.
@@Tyrantofthewind I disagree as sukuna only one domain clashes because he had prior knowledge against gojos domain. Heian era sukuna doesn’t have that. Considering once gojo adapted he start winning the domain clashes. So I’m just assuming they’re equal.
@@jorddy8998 did u miss the part where if gojo didn't just barely manage to cause a 0.01 second delay for sukuna going into the 5th clash. That they would've tied there, which ultimately would result in gojo's death as he would've been the only one to get brain damage. And gojo was only barely able to create that 0.01 second delay via h2h combat leading up to it. And heian era sukuna using DA at full output constantly would definitely do better in h2h combat than meguna who was also not fully using DA for most of the clashes, so the adaption could progress. So yea gojo gets cooked against heian era sukuna.
@@sleepyking4558 yea your right only defence is sukuna doesnt have the 10 shadows so when he uses Domain gojo could just blast a red like in the fight i fell hojo knew he had to constant watch the jumping while fight Sukuna but your right just rewatched the manga fight on YT
Thats not what imaginary mass means. Hp is based on tachyeons , which is just a concept in physics, but has not been proven to exist, hence "imaginary". Gojos technique brings this concept into reality.
Lets be honest, Gojo knocked Sukuna out with the black flash. He could have won the fight. UV hits once and its over, Sukuna made it cuz of Mahoraga. If Sukuna didnt learn the world ending slash he would have to win with DE which they were equal in, and if there wasnt Mahoraga out there Gojo woudnt have to use his CE carefully in worry that Mahoraga would adapt, he could have just spammed Blue and Red all the fight.
"DE which they were equal in" Idk what manga ur reading lil bro but they were not really equal in terms of domain expansion. Thats why sukuna outright won 2 of the clashes, and gojo just barely managed to create a tie in the other 2, and barely did enough damage leading up to the final one to get a win. Lets be honest heian era sukuna would just end up killing gojo by the end of the domain clashes.
@sleepyking4558 he won by breaking the outside of the domain the actual sure hit effects Gojos wins it much stronger. Gojo had to domain clash multiple times to figure out how to beat an open domain, which he did.
Sukuna would've been at 16 fingers and Mahoraga would be more powerful than the one Sukuna faught. Gojo would also fight Sukuna differently as he doesn't have to worry about Megumi. Gojo can teleport away from the domain as well. If it's Sukuna from back then he definitely loses bad to Gojo.
Bro gojo cant teleport he uses blue to speed himself so it seems like he teleports since sukunas DE has 200m range gojo cant summon a blue 200m away from him
I thought the reason maho didnt die to red was because he already adapted. Also the reason that gojo was begining to dominate the domain clashes was due to him strengtheining his domain to last long enough to damage sukuna (via hands) to where sukuna can no longer upkeep DE. Heian era sukuna would have better hands so this wouldnt occur.
Do the ten shadows get buffed because of the user though? If they do (kinda assume myself they do since sukuna's bird was larger then megumi's) than the mahoraga that gojo fought is def stronger than 15 fingers.
@@NeoKariz the bird was bigger cause it was combined with other shikigami, if u look closely at the panel the bird has a big tail meaning it was combined with the giant snake at least.
Don't think so. As the others said, nue was used in a totality with ogami. Although tbf, it's possible sukuna could enhance them with his cursed energy
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Reasons why Gojo demolishes Heian Sukuna 1: Gojo has higher stats since he won a 3V1 and can donut Sukuna or just punch his head off 2: Sukuna looses A TON of information on Gojo which would suck since he wouldn't be as wary of Gojo's Technique's 3: Gojo would not hold back and would actually try to kill Sukuna meaning this time around he will use alot more deay Technique's like Chanted Technique's and Maximum Technique's
@eueusoueueu he wasn't trying to kill him the entire fight like literally He could've punched his head off yet he didn't He could've used the Omnidirectional Hollow Purple 🟣 much earlier and spam it until Sukuna dies He could've instantly barraged Sukuna with attacks after the Omnidirectional Hollow Purple 🟣
@@borisangelov8348 don't get what's delusional about it, it's objectively correct that if Sukuna didn't have Ten Shadows he would've lost since even when he had it he wasn't confident he could beat Gojo so without those advantages he clearly loses
@@SilentAgression1Tillion sukuna absolutely could have beaten gojo without 10S, he had to hold back for multiple reasons so he decided to go with 10S. Sukuna only got ose to dying because he waas holding back.
@@TheLastRouge 15 finger Sukuna zero diffed him in the manga, he hit him with two dismantles, one cleave, then popped his domain and the fight was over (all the slashes were just to test out his adaptation) We know Mahoraga was able to barely beat a six eyes and limitless user that didn’t have RCT or Domain Expansion, meaning that Mahoraga is > teen gojo, and teen gojo is < 3 finger Sukuna, so that confidently puts Mahoraga in that ballpark of strength
Bro says gojo dominated in domains, sukuna won 2/5 domain clashes, 2/5 were tied and gojo won only 1/5 domain clashes How is that gojo dominating, and yuta has twice as much CE as gojo and sukuna has twice or thrice the amount of yuta's, gojo will lose a battle of attrition, which is literally what the fight is
I’m sorry but it’s clear you just started reading. & even in that your statements were flawed. Mahoraga already adapted to infinity by the time he sukuna brought him out.
Why does everyone think sunkuna de got stronger when he hit his full form? The domain had never been stated to get stronger sunkuna de has always been able to work at its peak seeing how shibuya shrine is still being referenced in the current chapter showing sunkuna new temporary domain the domains no matter what level will be working at its peak we haven’t been told otherwise expect megumi incomplete domain the person can get stronger but the domain can’t since its the peak
The thing is that Gojo knew how much Megumis body can take hits from him. So he only used some hits to make sure that Megumis souls or body does not die
Who would win?
idk what people mean when they say heiyan sukuna would be better than gojo at hand to hand just because he has 2 more arms, do you know what meguna had, maharaga, do you know what maharaga has, these hands, if those 3 goliaths at the same time were being man handled by gojo then suki wuki with 2 more doesnt do shit either
@@mayankbhaskar8545gojo is the strongest
Just to let you know, Sukuna's domain actually doesn't break after the first domain clash. Gojo hits him with a red then gets out of its range. In the following chapter you literally see him standing just outside the range of MS and Sukuna is still standing in it with the shrine intact. Also, in the second domain clash, it is literally not possible for Sukuna to activate the Dharma wheel since he needs to use domain amplification to touch Gojo for the reason of avoiding the sure hit of unlimited void while the sure hit of MS is off. We already know that a user can not use any of their unique cursed techniques while using domain amplification. It's much more likely that Sukuna activated the wheel in the first domain clash where they don't fight h2h and had it running throughout that first scrap where Gojo has no CT, up until the second domain clash where they actually start fighting h2h in the domain. Another thing is that Gojo casts a total of 5 domains, while Sukuna casts a total of 3. Sukuna's first domain beat Gojo's first two and stalemated the third when Gojo shrunk it. They stalemate again for the fourth clash, and Gojo opens his domain .01 seconds before Sukuna for the fifth domain clash. And Gojo's output being low is not the sole reason the Red doesn't do a lot of damage to Maho. The other reason he notes is that Maho has already started adapting to Red and has gained some resistance due to that.
@@mayankbhaskar8545u sound dumb asf I see why gojo fans have, intellectual disabilities 🤦🏽♀️😂
Gojo wins by a landslide, sukunas fingers gained more cursed energy over time giving us the powerful sukuna we see today. heian era would be the equivalent or close to the power of 15f sukuna
Heian form sukuna will constantly be using domain amp. Infinity will be rendered useless.
Sukuna only used domain amp in the og fight very minimally because using it stops the adaptation process!
Very correct my friend
Well it wouldn't be completely useless but it wouldn't save him
No one can use both domain amplification and their ct simultaneously.... That rule won't change
Gojo is just vastly superior in hand to hand he doesn’t need infinity
If we take actually Sukuna from the Heian Era then it's very likely he didn't even know DA, but if we take a hypothetical current Heain Sukuna then yes xd.
This fight really comes down to Domains since without ten shadows or Megumi if Sakuna gets caught lacking at all in Gojo’s domain he instantly loses while Gojo can get away with tanking Sakuna’s domain for a couple seconds. Also if Sakuna loses access to his domain and Gojo doesn’t lose access to Infinity he loses the fight simply because all of his actually strong attacks won’t work and Gojo can spam do whatever the fuck he wants. Even if Infinity is taken down Sakuna still has a hard fought battle but at least he has a chance.
Gojo was out of domains, if Sukuna wasn't hit with Unlimited Void - Gojo would be stuck in an enclosed Malevolent Shrine. But that's not the first difference in Sukuna's favour - their domains broke at the exact same time twice, if Sukuna was in his heian era form, both times Gojo's domain would break first.
Gojo was also better in hand to hand than Sukuna in Megumi's body, and we know that the difference between Megumi's body and Sukuna's are immense (see Kashimo fight, where even in regards to speed Sukuna grew tremendously with Incarnation, despite not renewing his energy).
Domains also seem to empower their owners and depower their opponents, meaning aside from having to keep up RCT constantly, Gojo will be at a constant disadvantage in every aspect.
Overall, there isn't much Gojo could have done to win
But then sukuna would not be able to send the damage from UV to Megumis soul and he would have to endure it...
And outside domains there's nothing sukuna can do to bypass infinity and all his attacks would be useless
@@rishavraj6973 in regards to Megumi's soul - it isn't reasonable to assume that Sukuna wouldn't be able to make it endure the damage from Unlimited Void. It taking the damage wasn't a part of the ten shadows in general or Mahoraga specifically and Megumi's soul is still there after Incarnation.
If we would be talking about Sukuna's original body, before he was split into cursed objects and took over any other bodies, then I would agree (at leas there are extra arguments needed).
As for not having any methods of bypassing infinity aside from the domain - if the clashes end aith Gojo being trapped in an enclosed Malevolent Shrine against Incarnated Sukuna, domain amplification would he plenty enough to win. Sukuna was so confident in winning before realising that Unlimited Void hit him that adapting to Infinity was treated more like a bonus than a goal
@matthewzaslavets8423 My friend, Sukuna intentionally sends the surehit to Megumi's soul to make the wheel on Megumi's soul adapt. As we know, Sukuna can alter the conditions of his domain as he pleases, as he did in chapter 227. Since Sukuna knew that Gojo Satoru's domain targets everything within its range, he made his domain target everything except himself. Therefore, if Gojo's domain targets everything except himself, Megumi's soul won't be targeted, and Sukuna won't take this approach to adapt.
@@matthewzaslavets8423Also, my friend, regarding your previous comment about Sukuna's chances of winning, you forgot something important, which is breaking the domain from the inside. If Sukuna destroys the domain from the inside just once, he will win.
@@JosEph26491 I'm not disagreeing with you, I just talk about the fact that making Megumi's soul endure Unlimited Void is something he could theoretically do even if he incarnated first.
My friend, if Sukuna had destroyed Gojo Satoru's domain from the inside once instead of staying in it for three minutes, he would have won the fight. Gojo wouldn't be able to heal himself with Reverse Cursed Technique (RCT), as we saw he struggled to heal from Mahoraga's sword attack and Sukuna's water attack, which we know are not as powerful as slashing attacks. We also know that Gojo was using RCT to the maximum extent in chapter 226. Additionally, my friend, there's another thing that many people overlook, which is that Sukuna can make his domain smaller to increase the power of his sure hit. Also, let's not forget that Sukuna is better than Gojo in barrier techniques.
He did but he got violated instead causing both of their domains to collapse
Yes, that's right, my friend. But as you know, the reason Sukuna waited inside the domain for three minutes, and did it twice-meaning he spent over six minutes in Gojo's domain without using a cursed technique-was due to the Ten Shadows technique. So, if he didn’t have it, he wouldn't have needed to wait inside Gojo's domain. Regarding the damage that led to Sukuna's domain being destroyed, as you know, Sukuna can't touch Gojo without the domain amplification. If he does amplify it, he won't be able to use the Ten Shadows technique to adapt. Don’t forget that domain amplification acts as a protective shield, guarding him from physical damage and also from the Red and Blue techniques. However, Sukuna was forced to abandon it due to the Ten Shadows technique, allowing the wheel to adapt to the sure hit. This means he gave up a significant advantage within the domain. Even Gojo himself wondered about it, saying that Sukuna was choosing the harder option by destroying the domain from the outside. He mentioned that he held the advantage within the domain since Sukuna couldn't attack without amplifying the domain.
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@@JosEph26491 he needed 10s to defeat gojo, so he has no choice, because shrine alone can't kill gojo. I too was wondering why Gojo didnt use a binding vow to remove the rule of his domain that whoever touches him is immune to his domain and just letting sukuna fight him in his domain, while sukuna on the other hand is using so much binding vow to somehow make his way through Victory.
@@JosEph26491 if Gojo made a binding vow while sukuna is fighting him in his domain, he couldve won.
It would a boring fight limited to domain expansion and sukuna would win after 5 clashes and gojo gets brain damage. Because lets be honest gojo not dominating heian era sukuna in hand to hand in 3 minutes to claps his domain. Especially if without 10 shadows in the way sukuna would just be running amp inside his domain. Gojo is not landing void.
Gojo would kill him before it even got to 5. Remember that before mahoraga came out sukuna literally got slumped standing up.
@@Meliodas-uv1tpyou really read with your eyes closed
@@palmtv3538most jjk fams do
@@Meliodas-uv1tp only reason was that cus of 10S no ???
@@Meliodas-uv1tp sukuna getting slumped came way after the domain clashes concluded and that happened because sukuna completely disabled domain amplification to adapt mahoraga (no domain amplification means he cant nullify gojos output or bypass infinity to fight back at all) but inside of the domain clashes gojo was only able to damage sukuna after 3 minutes of fighting at the very last second before his own barrier broke from the outside. heian era sukuna is better suited for hand to hand combat and no matter how much of an amp you think he gets, hed definitely be able to last 1 extra second before getting damaged. that means gojo never lands uv, and sukuna never gets brain damage so he keeps his domain while gojo doesnt and gojo dies shortly after chapter 230
Gotta remember that 4 arm can do the hollow wicker basket, and sukuna was specifically trying to adapt so he wasn’t fighting as offensively as he could. But, without mahoraga, how does he get through the barrier?
Here's my thoughts on the matter.
In chapter 228 Gojo made it clear that Sukuna was taking riskier options during their domain clashes despite the fact that Gojo switch the internal and external conditions of his domain's barrier all so he could get Mahoraga to adapt to infinite void, and since it took 3 minutes for both domains to collapse (malevolent shrine collapsing do to Gojo dealing enough damage to Sukuna) means if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he could have collapsed Gojo's domain from the inside and brake it in less than 3 minutes before Gojo could damage him and keep repeating it until Gojo fries his brain to the point where he would not only be unable to existent his domain but he's R.C.T wouldn't be as fast as it was before. Also another risk that Sukuna was taking was not using "domain amplification" to nullify/minimize the effectiveness of Gojo's techniques during the 3rd and 4th domain clashes because it would have interfered with Mahoraga's adaptation, so if Sukuna didn't have the 10 shadows technique he would have double down on DA during the domain clashes which would have prevented Gojo from dealing enough damage to Sukuna to the point where he wouldn't be able to maintain "Malevolent Shrine". Also chapter 247 informs us that the way Sukuna was using domain amplification during his fight with Gojo would allow him to disable his own curse techniques but won't cancel them out as a whole as shown when the Dharmachakra wheel on Sukuna's head turned black rather than vanishing, thus telling us that Sukuna wasn't using DA to its absolute fullest and could have completely nullified Gojo's techniques rather than just minimizing the effectiveness of them. Also keep in mind that Sukuna's secondary pair of hands and his second mouth would allow him to invoke incantation and hand signs which would not only increase the effectiveness and strength of his techniques but could even potentially make "Malevolent Shrine" even more refined and courting to Gojo in a domain clash the one that's more refined one will win clash and since their domains were already evenly matched if Sukuna did invoke hands signs and incantations in order to further refine he domain then Gojo's domain well collapse much faster then it would have normally. So yeah even without the 10 shadows Sukuna would have still won.
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It’s actually not that close, gojo doesn’t make it past the first domain
Then how did he get past 3 of them
@@mrsceptile170 sukuna let him
@@CertainlyCynical no he did not
@@CertainlyCynicalhave you even read the manga ?
@@CertainlyCynicalsukunafanboys having no arguments😂 no gojo survives ms with rct
A nerfed heian sukuna with like 20% of his power ate JACCOB LADDER MAX, 7 BLACK FLASH from Yuji, SOUL PLIT KATANA, AND ALL SORCERERS ATTACKS and still Kicking white 19F Meguna Was knocked off by a black flash so SIMPLE HEIAN SUKUNA 20% nerfed IS STRONGER, DURABLE than meguna... So that's mean HEIAN sukuna will just Eat Gojo in Hand to hand since he can use Domain amplification with 4 Hands and can even use Domain expansion with low hands since his fighting Gojo with 2 Upper hands 😬!!! And in a domain Clashs Gojo was forced to spam RCT and SD to stay alive frying his brain that's mean if they continued Gojo would've lose he just won the last domain cause sukuna landed 0.1s later cause he was healing himself but HEIAN sukuna can do hands signs since he's healing so he wouldn't have the problem and sukuna said he can close his domain to prevent Gojo to run! 🤗 And even destroy it by inside (Stated by Gojo himself) so HEIAN SUKUNA will definitely WIPE Gojo in a domain clash too.
This is the most shitty reasoning my boy. Sukuna using DA didn’t even let him get one hit in on Gojo, maybe once or twice. Gojo has a hard counter to his four arms, he knows it’s an advantage, knowingly he will try to rip his arms off since we know he can put holes in Sukunas chest very easily. We also know that Gojo just has to keep some distance if he doesn’t think he will win in h2h with the four arms. He can just use blue to throw Sukuna around
Your use of emojis is infuriating.
@@chiymai no if Gojo use blue sukuna can just make hands signs with low arms and fight with up arms and DE
@@As-pp1rm no
@@chiymaiWhy not? Have anything or statement from Gege or any calc to back it up? You can't just say "no". Bro was *mostly* "keyword: mostly" cooking with this. OG Sukuna IS the main villain, no sh!t he gonna be strong! And that's not including Meguna is a much, much weaker body, even weaker than yukuna. An alway AMP and chanted Sukuna's attack *May* get through Infinity.
If this is what the black box was all about just the fire arrow then ,
Gojo CT is seriously so much better.
It gives you access to INFINITY, FLIGHT, TELEPORTATION and not to mention the best sure hit effect i. e. UV.
I would much rather have gojo's arsenal like space time abilities are so much better and convenient.
Had it not been for the world slash which Sukuna just got, his arsenal is kinda underwhelming.
it is and the crazy thing is sukuna still got to gojo’s level with that and jus his intelligence
If it weren’t for mahoraga, gojo could have just freely spammed his abilities as much as he wanted without worrying about mahoraga adapting and sukuna would have no possibility to survive if he got caught in domain
if there was no mahoraga , sukuna would've prioritized his DA and DE rather than taking hits for mahoraga to adapt , that 0.01 seconds hit of UV would've never happened since sukuna would've running DA constantly since he doesn't need to turn it off for mahoragas adaptation
@@hk_asa0pvp sukuna wasn’t intentionally taking hits lol. If sukuna kept his domain amplification on he would have to fight hand to hand and that goes horribly for sukuna. Also, before mahoraga got involved in the fight sukuna got slumped standing up and then mahoraga literally had to save him. The fight would have ended right there without mahoraga
@@hk_asa0pvp and gojo can counter his domain or even just tank it if needed. The fight literally ended with sukuna blown In half, no domain, no longer able to use cursed energy, no rct, and barely alive. Gojo was barely injured and the damage was from his own purple and domain spamming. Sukuna won because gojo let his gaurd down, mahoraga adapted to infinity last second to create the world slash, and then he made a binding vow to chant and use handsigns every time he used the worldslash, just to make the attack fast enough ti hits gojo when he was off gaurd
@@Meliodas-uv1tp well too bad if you haven't digested the chapter , sukuna stated it himself that he is purposefully taking hits since in order for maho to adapt.
again that HP hit would've never occurred since sukuna doesn't have mahoraga to take care of , especially that 0.01 UV since he'd be constantly running DA , meaning also no blackflash , gojos brain would've still fried even if there was no mahoraga since sukuna tops DE clashes .
sukuna is also able to use DA inside his domain since his technique is imbued to the domain , meaning the domain is acting as a separate entity that holds sukunas technique meaning he is essentially not using any technique other than DA, hand to hand wise it doesn't really matter since sukuna would be using DE to attack and DA for defense.
if gojo were to focus on his techniques like red , blue and purple
DA simply tanks it or either sukuna dodges , hollow purple is never going to hit sukuna since it requires chanting that favors on sukuna which would have seconds to respond due to the chantings and CE output prediction.
@@Meliodas-uv1tp sukuna was blown , unable to use rct , that's because he got hit lol, all of those was thanks to sukunas idiocy of miscalculations regarding mahoragas adaptation
DE hit sukuna like a bus since he was too busy doing rct without using DA since he turned it off for the sake of mahoragas adaptation , and then got chained with a blackflash due to.... again letting himself get hit for mahoragas adaptation.
again prior to my statement without maho , that fight would've been boring as balls , since sukuna would just use DE as attack and DA as defense
4 arms 2 mouths 10 shadows....
Sukuna: Oh.. Your Fucked
Everyone forgets fire arrow sukuna opened shrine and nukes him like he did mahoraga if he wasn’t tring to adapt to infinity
You sure that hits? it is NOT DE nor D Amp.
Infinity blocks.
Good point to make but sukuna's black box still has alot of mystery behind it which is why i didn't bring it up
@@user-zl1vf4me1phe can bypass using D. Amp
@@user-zl1vf4me1pwhen sukuna won the first domain class gojos infinity was not active coz of ct burnout so yh it would hit
@@xebec995yeah but we are assuming that it can kill gojo, gojo is not mahoraga he will not die to an attack like that also sukuna needs to charge that attack, also gojo is extremely fast I am almost certain he can dodge it. But also I have this question why gojo did not use hollow purple when they were fighting for 3 minutes and 9 seconds why didn’t gojo just spam hollow purple.
Mahoraga isnt nowhere near 15f sukuna
I actually agree with this now its more like 12-14
@@TheLastRougeI doubt he’s even worth 12 considering how fast he got taken down
@@ghostfaceinyourbathroom219012 might still be a bit much. I think it fully depends on if we’re going with manga or anime mahoraga. I’m only familiar with anime so I’ll be going with that. Multiple times in the fight sukkuna did have a look of fear in his eyes and looked absolutely shocked during malevolent shrine. Compare that to jogo who is only 9 fingers and he got absolutely wrecked.
@@alc4528 Good points, and yeah it really is two different arguments because of how they adapted the fight in the anime. But from what I know (I haven’t gone back to read the fight in the manga) the fight only lasted like 2 chapters.
He actually is. Legit tanked the domain expansion, and cleaves and dismantle. Take away fire arrow, and sukuna literally has NOTHING even at 15f to take mahoraga down at that point. It's actually much closer than u think. The fight was so quick in the manga because he realized just how much of an absolute threat mahoraga is.
What i like about jjk is that even if a character is stronger than others. They can still loose by technicality.
I do believe that Sukuna needed Mahoraga to win but he could have also won on his Heian Era form.
However, seeing how the fight went on, it was more like Sukuna used Mahoraga as a way to beat Gojo with risk at the beginning from taking so much damage but reward later by killing Gojo.
However, if he was in his Heian form, he could have won but things would be much different. At first, he could surpass Gojo is hand-to-hand combat and chanting (but it wouldn't be very effected if infinity is activated). Were he could lose though is that if he didn't know he would fight everyone else. He would also play it safe with his attacks(mostly using amplification) and play the long run against Gojo and could cause risk later on if he messes one step.
I also want to add that it has been said that when Sukuna was in the Heian era, he had his 2 cursed tools and at full power, beat the Angel clan, Fujiwara clan, and Suguwara clan(predecessors to the Gojo clan). With the Suguwara clan having the original infinity cursed technique(Mostly just Michizane Suguwara), Sukuna would know of ways to beat infinity, but with Gojo always experimenting and advancing his technique, he would prove troublesome to Heian Sukuna. Finally, the Hollow Purple technique was said to only be known how it is used through a few members of the Gojo clan. It could be that the technique was recently created or that its been there since the infinity cursed technique so we don't know if Sukuna had full prior knowledge of it before he saw it first in the series.
Experience/skill is always gonna play a factor in these battles
I like sukuna more but saying heian could beat Gojo completely refutes the whole part of the story where he gets 10s and never transforms specifically to fight Gojo… like how is this a debate? Gojo just whops heian sukuna… that’s the whole point of everything involving megumi
Except that's just wrong.
1. Sukuna doesn't transform because he knows he will have to fight everyone after he wins against Gojo, so he saved the instant restore to after he won.
2. Sukuna didn't want 10 shadows because it had mahoraga, he wanted it because it was a cool technique. Then he realised it also had mahoraga, which means he can use it to grow stronger via copying its adaptations.
@@palmtv3538u sound crazy
@@Fusion237 I guess saying the truth is Crazy, in a world full of lies
@@palmtv3538 Except that's just wrong, because he's literally about to kill Megumi until he sees Mahoraga's invocation, and Mahoraga was narratively introduced to be used by Sukuna against Gojo's infinity, Sukuna obviously likes the 10 shadows as a technique but his main interest IS Mahoraga.
I repeat, Mahoraga narratively exists just to help Sukuna cut through infinity, and that's the main reason he finally decides to take over Megumi.
@@martin5902 1. Sukuna never was after killing Megumi, he just wanted to see everything Megumi had because he could be a suitable vessel, Like he wanted Megumi before even knowing about Mahoraga getting through infinity. We legit know Sukuna plays with his food if they are interested, which he was, and he has shown to train his opponent mid fight
2. His main reason to take over Megumi was so he could have control of a body, it being Megumi is only because its better than someone random Narrativly and logically. Mahoraga was legit in 3rd place of reasons to take megumi, first because he wanted control, second Megumi has 10 shadows, and third Mahoraga.
incorrection on somethings, gojo after 5th DE clash gojo never had one more DE to use, as when he tried cast one more UV his brain break and the DE wasn't casted but if sukuna wasn't hit by UV then sukuna would be able to use MS again = gojo is done and since gojo lost his DE sukuna wouldn't feel the need to heal CT burn since Uv is gone, so his CT burn out would heal naturally, aka No more brain damage.
Since sukuna only healed his Ct burn to counter UV, with Uv gone sukuna would adapt to infinity and use DA to reduce certain damage.
Gojo would just teleport away.
@@Fusion237His ct is off inside a domain he can't tp out
@@sutanranggaaditya719 he would teleport away before the domain gets activated
@@Fusion237 That would make Sukuna easier to win lol. He just trick Gojo
Gojo: i can manipulate space at thee atomic level 🤓☝️
Sukuna: I COOK 🔪🔥
Ngl Gojo had an advantage after Unlimited Void hit sukuna since he had brain damage
My arguments are different, in my humble OPINION, gojo won against Sukuna heian.
*Misunderstandings*
1. *Malevolent Shrine's chants and slashes*: There is no evidence in the manga that Sukuna needs to chant or use more hands to power up his domain's slashes. In chapter 259, when he uses his domain with only one hand, it is not observed that the effectiveness of the slashes changes. This implies that the use of more hands does not have a direct impact on the attack power or range of the Malevolent Shrine.
In chapter 259, Sukuna was damaged, and proceeds to make a domain, Sukuna used a binding vow (in exchange for being able to invoke the domain with one hand, and other unknown things, I will be able to invoke the domain, but only for 99 seconds) even so, the power of the cuts of this incomplete domain, have exactly the same power, and I believe that Sukuna's malevolent shrine, the only limitation was the time at 99 seconds. If with one hand, its power and range is the same as with two hands, it suggests that it would be the same in the opposite direction. The chants serve to enhance the shrine imbued in Sukuna's body, but not the shrine imbued in the domain
2. *Sukuna's domain escape*: The idea that Sukuna could have killed Gojo with the thermobaric explosion is unrealistic. Kamino Fuga is not only a slow process, but it is also not guaranteed to be effective (Choso Block part of the explosion proving that Fuga is not part of the safe effect). If Sukuna had attempted Fuga, Gojo could have used a simple hold, and taken advantage to restore his *limitless* (infinite), escape and protect himself before Sukuna's attack was completed, or worse, attack Sukuna. This would have left Sukuna vulnerable, making the decision to use Fuga even riskier. (Choso Block Fuga blood)
3. *Weapons*: It is not relevant to consider the use of weapons in this fight, as doing so would weaken the argument in favor of Sukuna. The fact that Sukuna has to resort to weapons would indicate a lack of power, and if weapons are discussed in his case, it would also be necessary to review the possibility that Gojo could have used other weapons. In this sense, the fight becomes more about personal skills than external equipment.
*Statements within the manga*
1. *GOJO SAID HE'S SORRY SUKUNA DIDN'T GIVE HIS BEST, OF COURSE! BUT HE'S REFERRING TO MEGUNA*
しかも宿儺は 全力出し切って ねえってんだから
Basically, it's true, it means Sukuna didn't give his all, that's true, but the context is that this Sukuna, that Gojo refers to, when saying "Sukuna didn't give" he's referring to the current Sukuna, the "Meguna" Sukuna. This version of Sukuna that Gojo refers to has a larger arsenal than normal, this Sukuna is a Meguna, not a Heian. Gojo's phrase refers to Sukuna not giving more, but it refers to the current Sukuna, this Meguna has MORE COUNTERS towards Gojo, Meguna has MORE CARDS against Gojo than Sukuna would have in the Heian era. So Sukuna MEGUNA can afford not to try his best, and remember, not giving everything doesn't mean not trying, and remember, it's the Sukuna in Megumi's body that Gojo talks about, he never said that about Sukuna in his original body. Sukuna "Meguna" didn't give his all, because this version of him could afford that luxury, unlike the Heian who has less cards.
2. *Sukuna's fear*: When we go to Japanese. You're all wrong.
The kanji used don't have a direct translation into Spanish or English, in fact the official translation given in the American media was "uneasy".
But the interpretation of the kanji derives in the following (since there is no direct translation):
-uncomfortable
-worried
-anxious
-accelerated
-stressed
-apprehensive
-panic
-FEAR is also one of the possible translations.
All of the above are valid translations and words if we look at the kanji.
-,The phrase "high on tension" is a strange translation, which would never have occurred to me as such, but I could think that it could fit, but it is at least, a strange translation. Seriously, where did they get the phrase "high on tension" from? Was it a pirated manga? Or worse yet, VLZ?
With this, saying that Sukuna felt fear is as accurate as saying that Sukuna was uncomfortable, worried, anxious, etc. All of these are possible depending on the kanji used.
3. *Gojo and the 10 shadows*:
If we go to the translation given, we have one that says that he doesn't know, doesn't affirm, confirm, or deny, it only says that he doesn't know what he would win, specifically in the phrase "あっちに 恵の十種が なかったとしても 勝てたか怪しい"
The kanji used, especially in 怪しい represent an unknown or doubt... I would rarely say suspicion...
Another translation given is that "it would be damn close" I don't like this translation given in the American media.
But if we go to the kanji, the phrase is "even without the ten shadows, I doubt...". If you don't believe me, ask.
But there is no confirmation of defeat, there is no claim of victory, only doubt of the possible outcome
*Statements by author Gege Akutami*
Although I do not have the interview in Japanese to translate, but in Spanish and English, Gege Akutami, the author of *Jujutsu Kaisen*, has mentioned in interviews that the only way Sukuna was able to beat Gojo was thanks to the use of *Mahoraga* (one of the 10 shadows techniques). This reinforces the idea that Sukuna, on his own, without the help of that technique, would not have been able to defeat Gojo. Akutami even pointed out that the fight was designed to be interesting and strategic, using elements like the 10 shadows to create a balance. In essence, without that external intervention, Sukuna would not have had the ability to win. (margin of error, I don't have the interview in Japanese, only in Spanish and English)
*Cheating and preparation of both*
The thing is, that Utahime's only affected the first attack, which was more of a warning than an attack to kill, and it doesn't matter because Sukuna used the deer of the 10 shadows (from the ability of Megumi's stolen body) to heal his arm.
The thing about Gojo's barrier reduction he obtained it through an empirical approach from experience APART and nothing to do with an observation of Sukuna.
(Look at Yuta, when he took Gojo's body, the first thing he did was shrink the barrier to resist the malevolent shrine, Yuta's was by directly seeing the fight with Sukuna)
While Sukuna obtained DIRECTLY and RELATED TO GOJO the way to counter the infinite void.
Sukuna entered the fight with a series of advantages that Gojo did not have. Not only was he using Megumi's stolen techniques, such as the 10 shadows, but he also had prior knowledge of Gojo's *limitless*, something Gojo did not possess in relation to Sukuna. This allowed Sukuna to be able to plan his attacks more effectively, resulting in his victory. Furthermore, Sukuna was able to keep his distance and heal himself during the fight, taking advantage of abilities that were not originally his. Gojo, on the other hand, did not know that Sukuna's domain could be opened, which put him at a disadvantage from the start. If both had had the same level of preparation, the balance would have been different. Such as using the "basketball" domain from the start, or using "fallen petals" in the event that the MS destroyed the UV, making the cuts not deep, thus not being in real danger in the first place.
*Logical Aspects*
Gojo fought against a powered-up Sukuna, who not only had access to stolen skills, but also vast knowledge about Gojo's weaknesses. Despite all these advantages, Gojo came very close to winning. This shows that, had Sukuna not had those additional cheats, Gojo would likely have emerged victorious. The Sukuna in his original Heian era form, while stronger in physical terms, would not have had the strategic adaptations that made the fight so difficult for Gojo.
*Conclusion*
In short, Sukuna managed to beat Gojo thanks to a set of external factors, including Megumi's stolen techniques and his knowledge about Gojo's *Limitless* weaknesses. Without these advantages, the fight would have been different, and Gojo, with his innate abilities, would likely have won in a more balanced matchup.
Gojo never felt like he was in any real danger, in the manga it's mentioned that it wasn't until Mahoraga broke his infinity that the possibility of losing his mind really came about, and even then, that possibility excited him, thrilled him, even pleased him. While Sukuna, as soon as he saw some difficulty, canonically felt fear and yelled at Mahoraga to do something.
Yeah well I agree with your points, though I think this fight could go either way.
Given how full powered Meguna ate Purple twice (albeit nearly killed) and even weakened Heian era Sukuna took Purple from Yujo, I think this won't be easy for both (10S vs. Limitless was already exteeme diff for both).
Even if we were to take that Heian era Sukuna can just spam DA on his four arms, I think Gojo might compete considering he kept up with both Maho, Agito, and weakened Sukuna.
So if he manages to hit Sukuna with UV then yes it's his wincon, or else if Sukuna breaks his in less than 3 minutes (considering he won't be fighting riskier) then Gojo will reach his limit given it took 3 Domain clashes to collapse MS.
But I have 2 questions:
(1) If people say Heian Era Sukuna would demolish Gojo easier than Meguna, why did he went to Megumi's body in first place (aside from 10S and escaping Itadori cage)?
(2) The time Yuji fought Sukuna in his Domain was the time the latter acquired RCT and could still expand his Domain. So that Sukuna is nearly at full power, right? Does that mean Yuji is closer to him (I know he won cuz of Nobara and Megumi but still)?
@@OtakuBoy2022 2. Thats cause Sukuna NEED a vessel, Yuji dismantles attack the ....Edge? Yeah Edge, between megumi and sukuna soul. And NOBARA also attack Sukuna soul.
Sukuna NEEDS megumi corpse. If Sukuna..idk, could be in his true form 100% real no fake 4k HD. Yuji dismantles would mean nothing
I always thought of this as a rematch, so sukuna has prior knowledge as well as gojo, two things come from that is that sukuna still has world cutting slash and gojo can improv or plan alot better with much better versatility
I think the fight is really close either way but i would still give it to sukuna. Most people just view gojo as untouchable but even without mahoraga learning how to cut space is still possible. He wouldn't just have a example to copy off of he would just spend the whole fight trying to adjust his ce to do what he wants. People dont give sukuna enough credit for the fact he fought at a disadvantage evolved his technique against the one guy that truly challenged him than fought everyone after and only lost because he was bored and no one else actually challenged him...
had to set it to 1.5x speed just for bro to sound normal
It’s probably 11 fingers tbh
12-14 Jogoat is at like 9
@@TheLastRougeeven jogo said that assumption is just bullshit
@@TanvirAhmed-bz2ox Nah its just the gap between 9 fingers sukuna worth of power to 15 is overwhelming
@@TheLastRouge no he said he knew he was strong but sukuna was overwhelmingly stronger then him ….if sukuna was only twice as strong the gap wouldn’t have been this high
@@TanvirAhmed-bz2ox Good point but we don't knoiw the amps that the fingers gives the user it could just be that the gap of 1-2 fingers is geater than we thought let alone 6 finger gap
People are forgetting that Gojo blasted a 120% hollow purple at Sukuna and he tanked it with his hands
U forget who got knocked out by a black flash?
Gojo would body any version of sukuna
Lmao. Wrong and proud
We literally saw the fight 😭
Loud and wrong😂
@@bloodcrusader817 old comment son
@@grimesms then shush son
I think Heian Sukuna wins in the 5th domain clash. Also they had 5 domain clashes, Gojo had to cast 5 domains and won on the 5th ine while Sukuna had to cast only 3, as his first one overpowered two of Gojos domains. But yeah Heian Sukuna wins after Gojo braindamages himself. With the two extra arms Sukuna should be able to hang in with Gojo using blue to amp himself much better, leading to him never being late for the domain clash. Honestly if we are being realistic, Heian Sukuna should be able to beat Gojo with just two domains. Of course now we know the Fire Arrow wouldn't have worked on Gojo so Sukuna until after Gojo got brain fried, and without DA knowledge Sukuna would need to rely only on his DE to beat Gojo, so if he somehow loses access to it its GG.
gojo can teleport out of the domain, gojo wouldnt clash but instead run
12:03 "He was superior in hand to hand combat" nah bro😭😭😭 He had more advantage in hand to hand bcs of his Blue Technique, he always used Blue in the fight. You guys need to re-read whole fight, if Gojo had not use the Blue he wont be able to manage whole fight. Everytime he touched Sukuna, he used his Blue or Red. So I'm saying Gojo just trusted his technique in the whole fight, obviously Sukuna too trusted Mahoraga to pass the infinity. But Sukuna would be able to beat Gojo without Mahoraga, you guys need to accept that fact. Everytime Gojo uses RCT, his Cursed Energy output goes lower and lower and when he came to his limits, Sukuna could kill him in the domain.
Soo exactly what he said ... Gojo is better
No, Gojo is superior even without Blue. Gojo fought Sukuna in his domain WITHOUT blue (Sukuna's sure hit overuled Gojo's CT, so it was down), WHILE tanking slashes that were at 120% AND healing, AND fighting. Sukuna had a stat boost and still went even with Gojo in hand to hand. Gojo is just better at hand-to-hand. If nerfed Gojo can fight Meguna with a stat boost, then I'm he can handle Heian form Sukuna with four arms. It's not really deniable. The rest of the fight Sukuna doesn't land a clean hit on Gojo. At the start of the fight where Gojo dominates, Sukuna doesn't have the wheel out so the whole "He took hits on purpose to adapt to infinity" doesn't work.
@@falexie7802 Excuse me but when did Gojo fight properly in Sukuna's domain without himself technique?🤭🤭 Never, isnt it? When he's technique was recovered he just used Infinite Void or Blue/Red. We never saw Gojo dominate Sukuna in Malevolent Shrine without Limitless. You're just headcanoning.
"The rest of the fight Sukuna doesn't land a clean hit on Gojo." bcs he doesnt care gave damage to Gojo, he just cares Mahogara's adaptation. We just saw when Sukuna use Domain Amp he just dodge or counter Gojo's moves. And that isnt headcanoning, it's the truth. When Gojo hit black flash to Sukuna he just simply used his Red again to hit😭😭 This man is fraud, like Sukuna in this fight. They're both trusted their techniques. Especially Gojo in the whole fight bro, you guys need to understand Gojo isnt anything without Blue or Red. And Sukuna trusted Mahoraga, Sukuna could win without Mahoraga in this fight. We saw the last domain clash, if Sukuna had 2 more arms he easily expand his domain at the time. Gojo would lose his domain, and Sukuna would trapped him inside his Shrine, simple.
Soooo… gojo cant use his blue during the domain clash with Sukuna, yet he destroyed him so much his domain collapsed in h2h (again while not being able to use blue, and also not having infinity) and comes out basically unphased?
Buddy, make it make since. The manga clearly shows gojo being vastly superior to sukuna in h2h. Also lets not forget Gojo winning the h2h battle against Sukuna and Mahoraga (at times even agito)
@@baris9272this guy really said „headcannon“ when the manga directly states gojo damaged the shit out of sukuna , and its established that neither can use their technique (because thats just how domains work, which you completely ignore, you cannot use your technique while and after using domain, this is A FACT.
Gojo >>> Sukuna in h2h
i just realized sukuna never land a clean hit on gojo 🤔
Prolly cuz he wants to get hit on purpose for mahoraga to adapt....But well even when it was a 3v1 and gojo was still winning so gojo would still beat sukuna in hand to hand
@kylelachama My friend, Sukuna didn't use any technique when he was fighting Gojo Satoru hand-to-hand. As we know, Gojo has Infinity for defense, also Blue, Red, and Purple for offense, and all of these techniques can harm Sukuna. Let's not forget that Gojo can enhance his speed and strikes with Blue as well. Therefore, Sukuna only has the option of domain amplification to bypass Infinity, and he had to cancel it to make Mahoraga's wheel adapt. He was sacrificing his only means of attack and defense, as domain amplification serves as a shield for Sukuna. Also, my friend, as you mentioned in your comment, Sukuna deliberately took damage, and since Sukuna took damage, this makes him less healthy than Gojo Satoru. Let's not forget that Gojo used Black Flash, which in turn enhances by 120%. Who do you think made Sukuna get hit by Black Flash? Definitely Mahoraga, as he gambled on taking the hit, and we didn't see the wheel turn black.
he did
He did land like a few xd
@@LoudYapper much less than gojo tho
I think Heian era Gojo wins
one “FUGA” and he’s cooked ☠️🔥
Bro acts like gojo not gonna teleport lol
And don’t even make me bring up that black flash☠️
I do not watch this animebruh i was only so curious because it has been loud in social media lately. Now i know a little bit of the character, i see comments people explaining about technicalities of domain expansion its mind boggling bruh this anime is full of technicals and magic systems. Its amazing!!!
You said Red destroyed Sukuna's domain when it hit but it actually didn't, Gojo asks Sukuna if he can increase his domain range (meaning the Red gave Gojo the opportunity to leave the DE). You also said Gojo would have one more domain expansion after the time he gets brain-damaged. but that also isn't true. When Sukuna says Gojo can't use his domain expansion anymore, he confirmed it after Gojo had already TRIED TO USE IT and failed. This means that Heian Sukuna would win right there with 3 domain recharges left
Sukuna wins. He has too many advantages and his transformation explicitly cuts off Gojo's win conditions. Sukuna is simply superior in a domain fight. The chief weakness for Gojo is that he has to win the fist fight against Sukuna because his domain is incapable of destroying Sukuna's while Sukuna's is very capable of destroying his.
Sukuna purposely took the slower option in destroying Gojo's domain in order to let Mahoraga adapt to Infinite Void. He was not trying to beat Gojo's domain, he was trying to make it a non-factor. Moreover, he did not actually use his curse technique (only the embedded technique in his domain) because he was using 10 Shadows (wheel on Megumi's soul). All of this is no longer a concern if Sukuna is in his Heian form.
That was the only way he could win against Gojo. Heian era sukuna only win con is a domain clash which they are equal(giving sukuna the benefit of the doubt) .Other than that what does sukuna have other than that he can’t win
@@Fusion237 He could theoretically beat Gojo to death with domain amplification, but it would be significantly harder and the favor would definitely swing Gojo's way in terms of win probability.
4 arms is nothing to scoff at, if he successfully blitzes Gojo even once with domain amplification he could simply pin him and take a bite out of him like he did Angel.
@@Tyrantofthewind I don’t think Gojo has an easy fight. I think he wins 7 out of ten battles. Even with 4 arms Gojo could prolly slam him in H2H. This would be a high-ext diff fight for Gojo.
@@Fusion237 Oh wait I just realized you said Sukuna and Gojo were equal in domain clash... LOL NO. Not even close. I have elaborated on that issue in other posts so I won't here, but suffice to say Gojo has absolutely no chance against Heian Sukuna in a domain clash.
@@Tyrantofthewind I disagree as sukuna only one domain clashes because he had prior knowledge against gojos domain. Heian era sukuna doesn’t have that. Considering once gojo adapted he start winning the domain clashes. So I’m just assuming they’re equal.
Simple answer... No without 10 shadows sukuna has no way to bypass his infinite
Domain.
@drethom087 even in the actually fight gojo isnt gonna just let him use his domain without activating his own
@@jorddy8998what happens after gojo gets exhausted
@@jorddy8998 did u miss the part where if gojo didn't just barely manage to cause a 0.01 second delay for sukuna going into the 5th clash. That they would've tied there, which ultimately would result in gojo's death as he would've been the only one to get brain damage.
And gojo was only barely able to create that 0.01 second delay via h2h combat leading up to it. And heian era sukuna using DA at full output constantly would definitely do better in h2h combat than meguna who was also not fully using DA for most of the clashes, so the adaption could progress.
So yea gojo gets cooked against heian era sukuna.
@@sleepyking4558 yea your right only defence is sukuna doesnt have the 10 shadows so when he uses Domain gojo could just blast a red like in the fight i fell hojo knew he had to constant watch the jumping while fight Sukuna but your right just rewatched the manga fight on YT
Question: How does sukuna stop the max output 200% hollow purple?? Its imaginary mass shit shouldnt exist once its fired
Thats not what imaginary mass means. Hp is based on tachyeons , which is just a concept in physics, but has not been proven to exist, hence "imaginary". Gojos technique brings this concept into reality.
@xebec995 no cap that explaination makes the whole scene aloy clearer
@@jorddy8998 no problem bro
Rlly good vid
Lets be honest, Gojo knocked Sukuna out with the black flash. He could have won the fight. UV hits once and its over, Sukuna made it cuz of Mahoraga. If Sukuna didnt learn the world ending slash he would have to win with DE which they were equal in, and if there wasnt Mahoraga out there Gojo woudnt have to use his CE carefully in worry that Mahoraga would adapt, he could have just spammed Blue and Red all the fight.
"DE which they were equal in"
Idk what manga ur reading lil bro but they were not really equal in terms of domain expansion.
Thats why sukuna outright won 2 of the clashes, and gojo just barely managed to create a tie in the other 2, and barely did enough damage leading up to the final one to get a win.
Lets be honest heian era sukuna would just end up killing gojo by the end of the domain clashes.
@sleepyking4558 he won by breaking the outside of the domain the actual sure hit effects Gojos wins it much stronger. Gojo had to domain clash multiple times to figure out how to beat an open domain, which he did.
Sukuna has no way to pass infinity without mahoraga so gojo wins
Domain amplification … domain expansion …
@@nabilfliou1469 sukuna cant beat gojo with just hand to hand, and gojo can teleport out of domain
@@FitBingeno.
@@nabilfliou1469exactly. Im very worried about ppls reading skills lol
Now I want to see Kenjaku vs yuta in straight hand on fight
I'm a usual fight, I think kenjaku just pussies out and leaves after a while. But in a fight to the death, Yuta wins extreme diff
Gojo could still teleport....
Exactly lol
Bro did NOT teleport away from the domain, your point?
@@FireworkIncense he could get out of it if he wanted but he chose to fight like a man
Sukuna would've been at 16 fingers and Mahoraga would be more powerful than the one Sukuna faught. Gojo would also fight Sukuna differently as he doesn't have to worry about Megumi. Gojo can teleport away from the domain as well. If it's Sukuna from back then he definitely loses bad to Gojo.
Bro gojo cant teleport he uses blue to speed himself so it seems like he teleports since sukunas DE has 200m range gojo cant summon a blue 200m away from him
@@Eg_eee Gojo can teleport 🤦🏿♂️ he even does it others in 0
@@diamantemrobinson he cant teleport 200 meters away maximum is like 50 meters
@@Eg_eee never stated and he himself states he can do long distance teleportation. He did it from the bottom of the ocean lol 🤦🏿♂️
@@Eg_eeehe literally teleported panda and inumaki from downtown Tokyo to jujutsu high, he can definitely get out if he wants to
I thought the reason maho didnt die to red was because he already adapted. Also the reason that gojo was begining to dominate the domain clashes was due to him strengtheining his domain to last long enough to damage sukuna (via hands) to where sukuna can no longer upkeep DE. Heian era sukuna would have better hands so this wouldnt occur.
Do the ten shadows get buffed because of the user though? If they do (kinda assume myself they do since sukuna's bird was larger then megumi's) than the mahoraga that gojo fought is def stronger than 15 fingers.
the bird was bigger because it was infused with more power like how megumi was able to infuse his demon dog after one of them died
@YungJosher yeah but then my statement would still stand cause aint no way sukuna wouldnt give more power to mahoraga as well.
@@NeoKariz the bird was bigger cause it was combined with other shikigami, if u look closely at the panel the bird has a big tail meaning it was combined with the giant snake at least.
Don't think so. As the others said, nue was used in a totality with ogami. Although tbf, it's possible sukuna could enhance them with his cursed energy
No 10 shadows and prep time.. Gojo high diffs Heian Sukuna.
bro is dreaming
@@hk_asa0pvpbro is speaking facts
Good vid though
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Well Sukuna likes to study his opponents so ya Sukuna is the king until yuji truly unleash his potential
Reasons why Gojo demolishes Heian Sukuna
1: Gojo has higher stats since he won a 3V1 and can donut Sukuna or just punch his head off
2: Sukuna looses A TON of information on Gojo which would suck since he wouldn't be as wary of Gojo's Technique's
3: Gojo would not hold back and would actually try to kill Sukuna meaning this time around he will use alot more deay Technique's like Chanted Technique's and Maximum Technique's
@eueusoueueu how?
@eueusoueueu he wasn't trying to kill him the entire fight like literally
He could've punched his head off yet he didn't
He could've used the Omnidirectional Hollow Purple 🟣 much earlier and spam it until Sukuna dies
He could've instantly barraged Sukuna with attacks after the Omnidirectional Hollow Purple 🟣
@@SilentAgression1Tillionyou are either joking or you are delusional which one is it?
@@borisangelov8348 don't get what's delusional about it, it's objectively correct that if Sukuna didn't have Ten Shadows he would've lost since even when he had it he wasn't confident he could beat Gojo so without those advantages he clearly loses
@@SilentAgression1Tillion sukuna absolutely could have beaten gojo without 10S, he had to hold back for multiple reasons so he decided to go with 10S. Sukuna only got ose to dying because he waas holding back.
Mahoraga is like 5 fingers MAX, but I’m leaning towards 3 finger level
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@@TheLastRouge 15 finger Sukuna zero diffed him in the manga, he hit him with two dismantles, one cleave, then popped his domain and the fight was over (all the slashes were just to test out his adaptation)
We know Mahoraga was able to barely beat a six eyes and limitless user that didn’t have RCT or Domain Expansion, meaning that Mahoraga is > teen gojo, and teen gojo is < 3 finger Sukuna, so that confidently puts Mahoraga in that ballpark of strength
@@ImpatientPlatypus So you’re basically saying mahoraga is below jogo
@@TheLastRouge yea Jogo mid diffs Mahoraga
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Bro says gojo dominated in domains, sukuna won 2/5 domain clashes, 2/5 were tied and gojo won only 1/5 domain clashes
How is that gojo dominating, and yuta has twice as much CE as gojo and sukuna has twice or thrice the amount of yuta's, gojo will lose a battle of attrition, which is literally what the fight is
Let’s be honest sukuna-megumi is better than heian sukuna in my opinion
I’m sorry but it’s clear you just started reading. & even in that your statements were flawed. Mahoraga already adapted to infinity by the time he sukuna brought him out.
He was adapted to gojos domain which is why he destroyed it
Why does everyone think sunkuna de got stronger when he hit his full form? The domain had never been stated to get stronger sunkuna de has always been able to work at its peak seeing how shibuya shrine is still being referenced in the current chapter showing sunkuna new temporary domain the domains no matter what level will be working at its peak we haven’t been told otherwise expect megumi incomplete domain the person can get stronger but the domain can’t since its the peak
you see if it was me i would of won just me tho
now me personally i wouldnt get cut in half
The thing is that Gojo knew how much Megumis body can take hits from him. So he only used some hits to make sure that Megumis souls or body does not die
The gojo meatriding is crazy
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Sukuna was holding back gojo wasnt
its not close at all sukuna stomps
gojo wins
sukuna DESTROYS gojo