I think during the recording of this he'd just finished co-producing Synchronicity with The Police, and given the tensions between the band members in The Police at the time, it must have been a relief to do this album with Genesis ;o)
Damn, I learned tape editing just before the first digital recorders came out. Never had to edit a 2" 24 track teach tape. Thank god! I would've shat my pants.
I think it's great for musicians in general to see a video journal of the sessions and how vital collaboration is. Technology's changed, but the core elements of music production are essentially the same. The album was a pretty big success for them.
Love the commentary during the first edit and realizing that folk nowadays are probably wondering why they didn’t just do on the computer. This is how it was done in the 20th century.
Ya know? Back in the day, "electronic music" meant manual editing, splicing, etc. Pete Townshend (The Who) was very good at it. Imagine going back to the early 1980's with a modern DAW! (& other, assorted, electronic gear) Did you notice the "Movement MCS Drum Computer"? (that orange computer thing with drum sounds) You can read a little about it @ vintagesynth (dot com)
12:51 Tony: This is how the hip cats do it Mike: Have we done it then? Are we gonna go...? Tony: No there's more! Mike: Oh, we haven't finished? Tony: No! Mike: ?????? Tony: Come again???
I think The Farm went "digital" with their recordings the same year that this album was being created (1983). It's mentioned later somewhere in parts 3 through 5. I think it was either tape-based or solid state; I can't be sure.
Mike was always the slightly petulant one who would drop genius guitar/bass but doubly-tired from playing both and was ready to leave the studio at any moment and have a sandwich, a pint and a bit of umm.. "smoke". Tony was always the driving sober taskmaster with total vision ala Brian Wilson, and Phil was the social lubricant between the two that kept it light and fun enough to distract from it all, relieve tension and minimize bickering. That's what a great band should be.
tape edits arent that hard. It just seems hard in comparison to visual editing of sound files by DAW. But back in the day we did it all the time. You just have to listen, and know where the tape head you are listening to is. If anything its kind of easier because you can scrub teh tape across teh heads, not so easy to do that in DAW land.
Wow, I'm really sorry you consider Phil's personal home movie a waste of film. "They" didn't do this, Phil did. This is his personal movie for family and friends that he was good enough to release YEARS LATER on a boxed set for fans. Now go watch In The Air Tonight or something. Waste of film, indeed. Pffft.
Yeah..pretty humbling to think what the pioneers (George Martin et al) had to deal with. I've heard anecdotal stories about Eddie Offord (Yes) cutting and splicing tape for sections of Close to the Edge with equipment even more primative that this. To think that we can can just cut, paste or any other function with a single mouse click is sobering.
I agree. Phil will always be a drummer's drummer but I felt that on Mama he really made a conscious decision to scale back the intricacy of his playing that people loved him for on the earlier albums, evident all the way to 'And then there were Three' in favor of white noise, gated reverb and fancy processing. The fact that he was now a recognised 'frontman' as well meant that he was offically wearing two hats (his drumming hat not getting as much time on top) - changing priorities?
I kinda disagree. He had some nice grooves and fills on some of these tracks. He wasn't as bombastic as the earlier records but you could always recognize the genius in his playing no matter the stage in their career.
I think during the recording of this he'd just finished co-producing Synchronicity with The Police, and given the tensions between the band members in The Police at the time, it must have been a relief to do this album with Genesis ;o)
09:17 Joking around about Phil winning an Oscar. Little did they know that 16 years later it would come true.
Damn, I learned tape editing just before the first digital recorders came out. Never had to edit a 2" 24 track teach tape. Thank god! I would've shat my pants.
I think it's great for musicians in general to see a video journal of the sessions and how vital collaboration is. Technology's changed, but the core elements of music production are essentially the same. The album was a pretty big success for them.
AND NOW FOR CLEVERARSE EFFECTS
God, I need to save this. This is just too good.
Hugh is a lucky guy..He got to produce Police's "Ghost in the Machine" and "Abacab" around the same time (1981)
Ahhh the delightful art of analog tape editing. Looking back now from the digital age, how archaic it was !
Genesis are so amazing : just jamming like that and without even notice it, you have a song !!
Love the commentary during the first edit and realizing that folk nowadays are probably wondering why they didn’t just do on the computer. This is how it was done in the 20th century.
Amazing ,Amazing Amazing❤❤👍👍👍🎶🎤🎸🥁🎹,
I love how raw that it's going to get better sounds... neat.
Looks like it was the first one done
Thanks! Really appreciated!
Btw I love how Hugh comes in with his The Police sweater.
Thanks for uploading this finally! I love this documentary!
I love Mike at 12:52, he just wants to finish up and go for a curry! Desperate for his Chicken Biryani!!
"...have we done it then, are we gonna go and...!"
Holy crap! A Studer A-80 24 track analog tape machine! And editing recordings the old school way.
Ya know? Back in the day, "electronic music" meant manual editing, splicing, etc. Pete Townshend (The Who) was very good at it. Imagine going back to the early 1980's with a modern DAW! (& other, assorted, electronic gear) Did you notice the "Movement MCS Drum Computer"? (that orange computer thing with drum sounds) You can read a little about it @ vintagesynth (dot com)
i love the EDIT part at 3:19
12:51
Tony: This is how the hip cats do it
Mike: Have we done it then? Are we gonna go...?
Tony: No there's more!
Mike: Oh, we haven't finished?
Tony: No!
Mike: ??????
Tony: Come again???
I guess that edit explains the availability of long and short versions for "It's gonna get better"
Tony Banks making Ascii? This is great :D
I think The Farm went "digital" with their recordings the same year that this album was being created (1983). It's mentioned later somewhere in parts 3 through 5. I think it was either tape-based or solid state; I can't be sure.
"Yours is crap." LOL
Yep - a Movement Systems Drum Computer. Eurythmics used one as well.
I LOVED watching that edit!!
I wonder how many young musicians & rap producers out there have no clue what an edit looked like with analog tape. REAL cut & paste, eh?
Yes. It is the Movement MCS-2 Drum Computer
That punk with the police t shirt on would have been collecting his pink slip if I was in Genesis
I believe that's the Hugh right after his work with The Police on Synchronicity...
@AlternativoPT451 Thanks. Mama is my favorite Genesis album so this is kind of special for me. :)
Mike was always the slightly petulant one who would drop genius guitar/bass but doubly-tired from playing both and was ready to leave the studio at any moment and have a sandwich, a pint and a bit of umm.. "smoke". Tony was always the driving sober taskmaster with total vision ala Brian Wilson, and Phil was the social lubricant between the two that kept it light and fun enough to distract from it all, relieve tension and minimize bickering. That's what a great band should be.
Yes! Exactly! Most accurate assessment of this band I’ve seen, none of the usual drama bullshit people like to complain about. Thank you for this.
That, kids, is how you did an edit, back in the day.
Imagine if we had this for selling England or the lamb
Mike did the Follow You riff...looked like a guitar synth...IDK
what song is that at 11:40
Just A Job To Do
Thank You :)
You wouldn't happen to have something on Invisible Touch, would ya?
@RomaniXanadu Tomorrow i will upload one more 1 :)
Hugh P was amazing
Nah, the extended version has two extra halves of verses (the other halves of which were spliced together on the album) and another chorus.
fantastic thank you
March, April, May 1983.
Interesting: here Mike is playing the Roland GR 500.
@MikeyRB77 Looks like a Movement Drum Computer.
tape edits arent that hard. It just seems hard in comparison to visual editing of sound files by DAW. But back in the day we did it all the time. You just have to listen, and know where the tape head you are listening to is.
If anything its kind of easier because you can scrub teh tape across teh heads, not so easy to do that in DAW land.
4:25 - yes, it was interesting to see the hand edit - how meticulous!
hugh rules, doing the edit by himself
Wow, I'm really sorry you consider Phil's personal home movie a waste of film. "They" didn't do this, Phil did. This is his personal movie for family and friends that he was good enough to release YEARS LATER on a boxed set for fans. Now go watch In The Air Tonight or something. Waste of film, indeed. Pffft.
Its a waste for him if he's not anything to it, he's the waste
Yeah..pretty humbling to think what the pioneers (George Martin et al) had to deal with. I've heard anecdotal stories about Eddie Offord (Yes) cutting and splicing tape for sections of Close to the Edge with equipment even more primative that this. To think that we can can just cut, paste or any other function with a single mouse click is sobering.
I agree. I still edit tape by hand; it's not that hard. Although, the demand has wavered a bit in favor of a DAW. To those I say bollocks!
00:35 lucky that guy had an iPod
I agree. Phil will always be a drummer's drummer but I felt that on Mama he really made a conscious decision to scale back the intricacy of his playing that people loved him for on the earlier albums, evident all the way to 'And then there were Three' in favor of white noise, gated reverb and fancy processing. The fact that he was now a recognised 'frontman' as well meant that he was offically wearing two hats (his drumming hat not getting as much time on top) - changing priorities?
I kinda disagree. He had some nice grooves and fills on some of these tracks. He wasn't as bombastic as the earlier records but you could always recognize the genius in his playing no matter the stage in their career.
l invention du Vlog mdr
It’s just a job to do.
3:26 ctrl+x ctrl+v
Holy shit I had heard Pink Floyd talking about editing film like this but god this looks like a fucking silly hassle.