There is no time dilation between what is happening in Fromland and what is happening in the outside world. Tabitha awoke 3 days after being pushed out of the lighthouse. same amount of time Jim looked for her in the woods. also, Henry mentioned Victor was missing over 40 years, and Victor aged as much. I doubt any recon looking into the future happens in this show. It is evident both the boy in white and the man in yellow don’t know everything that will happen in the future. Otherwise the boy in white would have known he’d fail with Christopher in 1978 as well as the failures of all the Tabitha and Jade reincarnations over the many, many years. The boy in white and the man in yellow cannot time travel, but they can see everything happening in Fromland (like Tabitha digging in the basement). Because they see everything happening, the boy in white already knew Julie would be able to time travel. He probably saw every time she was in the past. I bet the boy in white used what he has seen with Julie's time traveling and figured out the origin of where and how Julie gained or unlocked this ability, and that’s why he sent Boyd to the bottom of the well at the end of season one. Julie obviously goes back further in time than just throwing the rope down the well because during the first episode of the series that monster recognized her but she didn’t recognize him when she ran to the front door of colony house... Plus, Martin recognized her. He knows Julie but he seemed confused while he squinted his eyes as he said her name. He was probably used to seeing future Julie with the shorter hair, different clothes and I’m guessing 3 big scratch mark scares on her face from the man in yellow encounter at the end of the finale. In any case time travel should be used very sparingly in a show like this. I’d rather not see it be used to fix anything that’s already happened. Would take away the stakes and the show would be much, much less interesting. Recon into the past is fun though. Sometimes it’s the only way to learn what has already happened. The boy in white did tell Christopher “the answers” to the end are at the beginning. After Julie comes to terms with the fact that she cannot change her father’s death or anything else in the past, will she be able to move on and look for a way her ability can help everyone. She looked older at the end of the finale, like she had been trying to change things for a long time.
Netflix 1899 & Netflix BODIES & Netflix DARK did time travel really well. Each used time travel to change future events. All were effective but there is a cost. I think FROM will use a time travel that is based on a quest or mystery being solved before the ultimate event changes for the better. Not seeing the tree or being trapped in Fromville. This will NOT prevent future entrapment of others, just the current group. The next group will have to solve their own paradox or quest to escape. Fromville is an ancient aberration that will always exist. If you haven’t seen these shows I HIGHLY recommend them. Thank Tony for another thought provoking video.❤
1899 never used time travel, it was all a simulation. Dark actually changed an event in the past to alter the present, not the future. The writers used Ethan to give us the rule that Storywalkers can't change the story. That doesn't mean the will have no affect when traveling but it just means they can change things which are known to happen.
The predetermined version of time travel is the most correct since we see Julie throw boyd the rope well before time travel is established. Whatever actions she takes to try and change the past will already be part of the past.
I like #2 .. I'd really like the idea that Julie can change the past but nothing we've seen playout on screen. Ethan said you can't change the story once it's been written. It would be very meta if by story Ethan meant the actual TV show. It's kind of a wild theory, but I think it could be a very cool angle. Awesome video as always!
Honestly I feel like it might be a combination of them or all... ground hog day, seeing the future, it was meant to be, back to the future, and branch reality.. just based off what the place could possibly do, what julie can do, and what tabitha and jade do etc
"If you had followed the rules, they would still be alive" - Jim the Oedipus father and the rules. The original people were cursed. They created this place from the karma of sacrificing the children, and they are trapped as monsters. Like a Bardo being in a Buddhist Hell, created by karma, an intermediate state of mind between death and rebirth. Meaning while the monsters are trapped these characters are forced to reincarnate and get stuck in a cycle of death and rebirth, samsara. That means their lives as other people in the real world is not their original life, it's just a fantasy, and Jim was the Oedipus complex and the MIY killing him embodied the shadow/superego resolving the complex. The monsters are then essentially the shadow of the characters separated, just like the innies and outies in Severance, but they are separated because of the curse, not technology. Everything has already happened, all before Act one, there was one cycle and then it repeats because of the curse. Its all in the past, even future Julie is still from the past. They can only remember and move on from the cycle, they can't go back and change the cycle. Because it's all memories.
I'm gonna stop in the middle of this video and correct the one thing that you said that EVERYBODY gets wrong about Avengers Endgame. Traveling to the past does not necessarily mean that a branched timeline will occur. That's NOT the conversation that the Ancient One and Banner had. They discussed the possibility of it, only if something was changed. That's why Steve Rogers went back in time at the end of the movie and put all the Stones back, so that there would be no branched timelines. The entire movie was only 1 timeline. Loki is the only person who actually removed a Stone from its place and created a branched timeline, one that was never shown in the movie. Going back in time does not necessarily create any branch. Multiverse theory has always been about changed DECISIONS, not time travel. If you watch "What If . . . " every episode is about an alternate universe BECAUSE OF A CHANGED DECISION. There isn't one episode in which an alternate timeline was caused by time travel. Even as young children we were always taught this about multiverse theory. One changed decision, one small change in anything, can create another timeline. This is why so many people got confused about Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter. He had always been with her; we didn't see him because he remained in the background. He just forgot to remove the picture of his kids with her. His younger self saw the picture beside the bed when he visited a very aged Peggy Carter. The 2019 Steve Rogers was there somewhere in the background. When he went back in time with the Stones, which, by the way can't be used in any other timeline anyway, meaning the entire movie was one timeline, Rogers closed the time loop regarding the relationship that he had always had with Carter and the birth of the little girl in the photo. Ethan restated what the Hulk said about time travel, that once an event has occurred, it can't be changed. One way or another, something that we've been seeing the entire time we've been watching the show, it appears will be because of Julie, just like Boyd's freedom from the dungeon all this time. Something else that's going on right now is because of that kid nightmare creature and Julie's relationship long ago, whatever that was.
Do you think we will see. Julie, talking to our characters and different scenes in the past but it was regular scenes to us. Maybe the conversations was off camera
The LOST connections are undeniable and I don’t care what they said either, they lie! I have been saying that this place, FROM, moves in space and time just like the island on LOST.
Isn't this the whole point of Science Fiction? Anyone can make up any rules they want, if they're telling a story. Also, they can base it on Science that's undiscovered and/or theoretical. And yes, Teflon, I agree. Every show is a story of some kind. I'm glad (and sad) that I can't skip ahead.
There is no time dilation between what is happening in Fromland and what is happening in the outside world. Tabitha awoke 3 days after being pushed out of the lighthouse. same amount of time Jim looked for her in the woods. also, Henry mentioned Victor was missing over 40 years, and Victor aged as much.
I doubt any recon looking into the future happens in this show. It is evident both the boy in white and the man in yellow don’t know everything that will happen in the future. Otherwise the boy in white would have known he’d fail with Christopher in 1978 as well as the failures of all the Tabitha and Jade reincarnations over the many, many years.
The boy in white and the man in yellow cannot time travel, but they can see everything happening in Fromland (like Tabitha digging in the basement). Because they see everything happening, the boy in white already knew Julie would be able to time travel. He probably saw every time she was in the past. I bet the boy in white used what he has seen with Julie's time traveling and figured out the origin of where and how Julie gained or unlocked this ability, and that’s why he sent Boyd to the bottom of the well at the end of season one. Julie obviously goes back further in time than just throwing the rope down the well because during the first episode of the series that monster recognized her but she didn’t recognize him when she ran to the front door of colony house... Plus, Martin recognized her. He knows Julie but he seemed confused while he squinted his eyes as he said her name. He was probably used to seeing future Julie with the shorter hair, different clothes and I’m guessing 3 big scratch mark scares on her face from the man in yellow encounter at the end of the finale.
In any case time travel should be used very sparingly in a show like this. I’d rather not see it be used to fix anything that’s already happened. Would take away the stakes and the show would be much, much less interesting. Recon into the past is fun though. Sometimes it’s the only way to learn what has already happened. The boy in white did tell Christopher “the answers” to the end are at the beginning.
After Julie comes to terms with the fact that she cannot change her father’s death or anything else in the past, will she be able to move on and look for a way her ability can help everyone. She looked older at the end of the finale, like she had been trying to change things for a long time.
Netflix 1899 & Netflix BODIES & Netflix DARK did time travel really well. Each used time travel to change future events. All were effective but there is a cost.
I think FROM will use a time travel that is based on a quest or mystery being solved before the ultimate event changes for the better. Not seeing the tree or being trapped in Fromville. This will NOT prevent future entrapment of others, just the current group. The next group will have to solve their own paradox or quest to escape.
Fromville is an ancient aberration that will always exist.
If you haven’t seen these shows I HIGHLY recommend them. Thank Tony for another thought provoking video.❤
DARK was incredible. Gonna watch 1899 real soon
1899 never used time travel, it was all a simulation.
Dark actually changed an event in the past to alter the present, not the future.
The writers used Ethan to give us the rule that Storywalkers can't change the story. That doesn't mean the will have no affect when traveling but it just means they can change things which are known to happen.
The predetermined version of time travel is the most correct since we see Julie throw boyd the rope well before time travel is established. Whatever actions she takes to try and change the past will already be part of the past.
I like #2 .. I'd really like the idea that Julie can change the past but nothing we've seen playout on screen. Ethan said you can't change the story once it's been written. It would be very meta if by story Ethan meant the actual TV show. It's kind of a wild theory, but I think it could be a very cool angle. Awesome video as always!
Awesome Tony!
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@@TeflonTv Thx finally decided to become a member, you support Julie B so much 🙏 least I could do
The most logical one is 2. But it could be 3, even LOST used option 3. I am 50/50 for those two options.
Honestly I feel like it might be a combination of them or all... ground hog day, seeing the future, it was meant to be, back to the future, and branch reality.. just based off what the place could possibly do, what julie can do, and what tabitha and jade do etc
DARK is the only show that used time travel properly. Oh my what a fantastic show
100%! That show is perfection!
The groundhog theory isn’t limited to one day.
"If you had followed the rules, they would still be alive" - Jim the Oedipus father and the rules.
The original people were cursed. They created this place from the karma of sacrificing the children, and they are trapped as monsters. Like a Bardo being in a Buddhist Hell, created by karma, an intermediate state of mind between death and rebirth. Meaning while the monsters are trapped these characters are forced to reincarnate and get stuck in a cycle of death and rebirth, samsara. That means their lives as other people in the real world is not their original life, it's just a fantasy, and Jim was the Oedipus complex and the MIY killing him embodied the shadow/superego resolving the complex. The monsters are then essentially the shadow of the characters separated, just like the innies and outies in Severance, but they are separated because of the curse, not technology.
Everything has already happened, all before Act one, there was one cycle and then it repeats because of the curse. Its all in the past, even future Julie is still from the past. They can only remember and move on from the cycle, they can't go back and change the cycle. Because it's all memories.
Number 6 reminds me of X-Men Days of futures past.
I'm gonna stop in the middle of this video and correct the one thing that you said that EVERYBODY gets wrong about Avengers Endgame. Traveling to the past does not necessarily mean that a branched timeline will occur. That's NOT the conversation that the Ancient One and Banner had. They discussed the possibility of it, only if something was changed. That's why Steve Rogers went back in time at the end of the movie and put all the Stones back, so that there would be no branched timelines. The entire movie was only 1 timeline. Loki is the only person who actually removed a Stone from its place and created a branched timeline, one that was never shown in the movie. Going back in time does not necessarily create any branch. Multiverse theory has always been about changed DECISIONS, not time travel. If you watch "What If . . . " every episode is about an alternate universe BECAUSE OF A CHANGED DECISION. There isn't one episode in which an alternate timeline was caused by time travel. Even as young children we were always taught this about multiverse theory. One changed decision, one small change in anything, can create another timeline. This is why so many people got confused about Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter. He had always been with her; we didn't see him because he remained in the background. He just forgot to remove the picture of his kids with her. His younger self saw the picture beside the bed when he visited a very aged Peggy Carter. The 2019 Steve Rogers was there somewhere in the background. When he went back in time with the Stones, which, by the way can't be used in any other timeline anyway, meaning the entire movie was one timeline, Rogers closed the time loop regarding the relationship that he had always had with Carter and the birth of the little girl in the photo.
Ethan restated what the Hulk said about time travel, that once an event has occurred, it can't be changed. One way or another, something that we've been seeing the entire time we've been watching the show, it appears will be because of Julie, just like Boyd's freedom from the dungeon all this time. Something else that's going on right now is because of that kid nightmare creature and Julie's relationship long ago, whatever that was.
Thank you for a new video 🩵
You are very welcome
Who here knew that Terminator trilogy are the prequels to The Matrix? (Fun fact) 😂😂
Jim comes back next season
That's my theory. We will see Julie change things, and Jim survives the attack while figuring out how to escape the town
That's alot to happen next season. Maybe in the last one
Can’t change a story that’s already been told, Jim’s dead
I think they will have Julie trying to save her dad over and over again
dragonball z did the second time travel with trunks
First you compare the show to Interstellar, and bow you're comparing it with Back to the Future, Terminator exe
Do you think we will see. Julie, talking to our characters and different scenes in the past but it was regular scenes to us. Maybe the conversations was off camera
100 percent
All of em
The LOST connections are undeniable and I don’t care what they said either, they lie! I have been saying that this place, FROM, moves in space and time just like the island on LOST.
Tony you be on your shyt
TIME TRAVEL within a story? If within a story wouldn't the rules be different ???
Isn't every show a story? Of some kind
Isn't this the whole point of Science Fiction? Anyone can make up any rules they want, if they're telling a story. Also, they can base it on Science that's undiscovered and/or theoretical.
And yes, Teflon, I agree. Every show is a story of some kind. I'm glad (and sad) that I can't skip ahead.