Nah no Thanks but Tank Abbott exposed that style since UFC 6 when he beat the 💩 out of John Matua who trains in that art id stick to Boxing, Kyokushin and FMA
@@Lcky-gu2gi well that's one fight.. so doesn't represent the entire system but this is also not intended as a ring based system and has lots of cultural value.
Elon can you do a video on vee arnis jitsu founded by professor florendo visitacion from the Philippines I'm a student of prof David james in Brooklyn excellent self defense i think you would appreciate
Hi there, I'm Māori. War dances are universal across Polynesia, they are not exclusive to Māori. In Hawaii, their war dances are called 'Ha'akoa'. The full name for 'Lua' is 'Kapu Kuialua' and there are different linages of the martial art. The most popular school is Lua Halau O Kaihewalu, founded by Solomon Kaihewalu who was taught by John Chow Hoon (Danzan Ryu) and William Chow (Kempo Karate). Its difficult to say how much of Lua Halau O Kaihewalu is Kapu Kuialua and how much of it is Danzan Ryu and Kempo Karate. But that is why they wear gi. In reality, I suspect that the Hawaiians would of fought in a similar fashion to Māori (our weapons are similar). Our tradition is called Mau Rākau. The most popular style is Te whare tu taua o Aoteroa, it involves empty hand techniques as well (similar to what you would see in Muay Thai with teeps, punches and clinch). We had a series on Māori TV called Toa O Aotearoa which show cased full contact weapons sparring with rākau (wooden sticks).
Wonderful insight, I wish I could speak to someone like yourself in person, I'm Aussie and love martial arts in general, and have practiced a lot of different arts over the years available in my general area since my early teens and fell in love with it. I'm over 50 and still practice . But the Maori culture has always fascinated me from the language, the traditional ways and particularly the traditional martial art of the Maori warrior I am very drawn too it, I know nothing of it, even my Maori friends here in AUS cant tell me much, of the traditional fighting styles which is such a shame. It's fantastic to hear from someone who actually knows. I'm am familiar with NZ's history in terms of the conflict with the British, I cannot explain why I am so drawn to it. By the way the Morai language is like music to my ear's it's awesome.
@@khublieoldschoolgamer5737 There is Mau Rakau in Australia, England and Hawaii. Anyone can partake. The 4 schools in Australia are Te Manawa Ora (Brisbane), Mai i Te Kore ki Te Puumanawa (Melbourne), Te Whare Tuu Tauaa o Te Ara Hononga (Melbourne) and Te Toka Tuu Moana (Perth).
Old traditional systems like this are very good for extreme situations, e.g. warfare or SHTF situations, what with their wonderful weapons. I was doing a class, and free sparring with this guy, and he knew what I had on me, but he went all wrestley (high level practitioner, Eastern Euro state trained) and it all ended when I pulled out the knife I had and just started working on him with it, because he was like, "Oh, I forgot about the knife" as his years of competition-based training had kicked in and it led him down a dark alley, let's say. Great video, wonderful stuff, I share your sentiments.
Aha Polynesian martial arts, When the British Marine's who where regarded as the best fighting force in the world until they encountered the Morai warriors they had no idea that they we're about to be taught some valuable devastating lessons in close quarter combat, the Maori warriors were and still are some of scariest fighting men on the planet, they also invented trench warfare to combat the British marine's before the British had ever seen such a thing. It was these two things that eventually forced the British into treaty because they had there backsides kicked, shark teeth weapons are devistating, shards that break of in the skin also promote infection, excessive bleeding etc. I have many Morai and Samoan mates it is practically the same culture. Even today the Maori man is a formidable foe .They would also eat their fallen enemies to absorb there MANA (Spirit) including their own and the fallen marines. That is scary.
@@inside_fighting bro check out the movie The Dead lands, it's is the most accurate and brutal portrayal of the Polynesian fighting arts, it is absolutely brutal, it will shock you, entirely filmed in New Zealand. It's available to watch in full on TH-cam you won't regret it,
@@inside_fighting bro you should check out the 2014 movie The Deadlands , this is the most accurate portrayal of Maroi hand to hand combat you will ever see absolutely brutal, it will not disappoint. It's quite confronting and will send a chill down your spine. Entirely filmed in NZ
As a history geek i love these explorations of different fighting styles, developed by different cultures to fit their different needs. We humams problem solve for what is in front of us.
You are always distinguished in all your meetings with senior martial arts teachers and your interesting topics. Through your channel, we learned many things related to the world of martial arts. I hope that you will conduct interviews with the stars of martial arts films in future
OK the,first video was a new take and started after the 80s. The next is my favorite instructor Olohe Kihewalo. Who lead the resurgence of the art . The next clips were Lima Lama and are not Lua They are Samoan art based on Kajukenbo and Okinawan te. Unfortunately many of the experts in the martial arts world are just making things up . After practicing for 56 years The amount of these experts giving up the truth on their death beds has left me very disappointed and feeling like a fool.
Nice one, Ilan! I found out about Lua through an old Blackbelt Magazine issue. I was a kid at the time and was intrigued by their use of biting. Great stuff! Osu!
It seems to me that in today's world the UFC, which was created to promote BJJ and led to the creation of MMA, has brainwashed everyone into thinking it's the only viable "combat" system and everything else is somehow inferior. All historical arts exist for a reason and if they didn't work in their context they wouldn't have survived. Unfortunately, we don't know the full context of the original arts in many cases. so it's difficult to see how the moves apply.
I love your work man. Gotta say, from 6:48-7:50 the movements are reaaaaaly similar to Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut. Lots of short fore arm stuff...very fkn noice. Keep on rockin. Cheers
You can check out the maori in New Zealand. Most of Pacific Oceania's martial arts go back to NZ. Most modern lua is a mixture of old lua, hula, and newer techniques. I'm not point out problems just mentioning the necessary issues to keep lua on going.
“He’s about to grab a space as no man should be grabbed.” 😂 so you are saying that you will grab rib skin etc but you draw the line at grabbing the “chicken” skin? 😂
Yes but they didn’t originate there from what i read. The Hakka started in New Zealand and spread. I may be wrong as I’m not a historian 🤷🏽♂️ it’s just what i found online.
İ remember the ads in 90's Black Belt Magazines for VHS tapes for "Samoan Forbidden Art of Bone-breaking" by a guy named Kazja out of San Pedro, CA. İ read a review about the tapes which said it encompassed material on par with what most westerners would call "military quick breaks". The ads looked interesting. There was a stick fighting set of tapes too. Not sure if was really Samoan in origin or Filipino systems repackaged for clever markteting purposes.
I love it! I love the cultures of several island tribesmen. I love tattau. I love how passionate and caring these cultures are. I like eating fish and seafood all day long. That being said... If this were in my area, I would learn it immediately
Being a true Lua practitioner is NOT for the faint-of-heart, squeamish or weak willed. It requires you to commit and be comfortable with maneuvers that are inherently "distasteful" to humans. Eye gouging, fishhooking with intent to fully rip tge cheek, sticking you fingers in noses and mouths. You need to be ok with yanking hard on bones like ribs, jaws and collars. It is designed to maime and cripple. There is no submission, that's for the ring. Even the traditional weapons used in Lua are gnarly and will leave gruesome gushing wounds that just gush everywhere. Can you handle twisting someone's jaw until it breaks, then continue to pull until it's ripped open? Are you comfortable feeling a clavicle snap like a broomstick in your hand, then twisting and pulling until it breaks skin? Are you cool with developing such a strong grip that you can literally tear chunks of meat off an enemy? Does maiming and/or crippling a person for life not give you pause? Then Lua might be for you. Shit. Is. BRUTAL.
Very insightful video 👏 I wonder if the skin grabbing/tearing was prominent in this fight system because many people of Southern Pacific descent have a high body mass (sometimes causing extra skin) which would make excellent grappling handles in CQB for warfare? Just a passing thought, but still an amazing fighting system and definitely proves that Hawaiians are some of the toughest fighters on Earth 💪💯
The weapons are amazing and unique. The hand to hand stuff, I’m not seeing anything different or special. Wish we could see more about skin grabs… Paul Vunak talked about the skin ripping years ago, from FMA the biting and ripping of skin.
Those guys would hunt wild boars with spears. I watched a hog take 5 from a 45ACP and 5 more from a 38special before laying down. Some people are tougher just because of the environment.
i dont stay in one spot unless my first strike has really dsabled him. Then I might move on it to finish him off, if need be. Practicing just standing there, like in front of a the wooden dummy, is a very bad habit to get into, Ditto most boxing With those pillows on your hands, you can't do much of anything, but with bare hands, a minor flick to his nose, cheekbones, eye brow can be enough of a distraction to let me REALLY smash something, grab something, get away from his weapon, etc. I know that the gloves offer protection for the fingers vs higher kicks, but I rarely kick higher than the lower thich and never higher than the bladder. Boxers aint dealing with kicks. PRACTICING getting your brain rattled makes no sense to me at all, and that's what boxing IS
MMA is the best way to train - even for warfare. People think fighting suddenly changes in battle? People think, after years and years of boxing, I won't know how to strike the throat.. or that years of grappling have made it so I "have to follow" rules? This "warfare art" stuff is bullshit, always has been. These guys would get their asses handed to them by anyone attending an mma gym for just a year.. "Masters".
I think you would enjoy learning about New Zealand Maori martial arts, Mau Rakau. A lot of similarities to the Hawaiian techniques, but different weapons including awesome greenstone and whale bone weapons. Also, Australian Indigenous Coreeda, which is a sports martial art that looks like if Shuai Jiao and Capoeira got together and adopted a kangaroo.
First time I saw Lua in a fight was in the original UFC , early 90s. First time I saw a documentary on Lua was a program hosted in History Channel by Army S.F. Group green beret Terry Shappert and he went to Hawaii to train with Polynesian Lua warriors and after received a traditional Polynesian tatua on his leg using traditional tatua tools.
A little correction, though related somehow, what you show from minute 6:38 till about 7:50 is not intended to be Lua per se but Limalama, founded by GM Tumanao "Tino" Tuiolosega and this video can be found as Limalama by Ted Tabura, one of his close student's...
Haka = Maori dance of the warrior (pre battle protocol). Haakoa = Hawaiian dance of warrior (pre battle protocol). Mau Rakau = Maori combative art Lua = Hawaiian combative art. Lua is not a martial art per se, it is not a sport, there are no tap outs. It is not a self-defenses. At its core, it's only function is to take life. I have been a student of martial arts (mostly Asian) for many years. If there is any martial art practitioner that I would fear to scrap, it would be a lua practitioner, because of their mindset and purpose of art.
I remember the ads of "Kapu'Lua" in Inside Kung Fu magazines. I too was obsessed with the concept. And no, I didnt buy them. You needed your parents to go and buy the money order to mail it in.
I would agree that alot of times that always judging various martial arts which were made by premodern people for warfare by the same standard by which we would judge something which was originally intended as a combat sport is a little bit narrow minded mainly because alot of the times hardly any ancient martial arts were ever intended to make anybody a super powerful specialized master of any particular combat skill especially any skill which involves taking anybody down with there barehands.In ancient warfare you are never going to likely have to go toe to toe with anybody like Chuck Lidell,Mike Tyson or anybody with a skillset quite like that.Many Judo masters could quite likely psychically overwhelm alot of Japanese Jujitsu master but that's sort of just because Jujitsu was not originally about being super specialized at physically overwhelming anybody with your bare hands in the first place but was instead intended to be a part many skills which were taught in conjunction with each other which you were never likely to ever become super specialized in any of partially because being a third degree blackbelt Judo master who trains to perfect a very specific skill matters very little when you and your army have got a whole lot of different weapons and is fighting another army who has got alot of different weapons.Granted combat sports might have existed back then in certain parts of the world however I think that combat sports and the mindset that goes with it in the context of many cultures tends to be more so a product of the modern contemporary world.Combat sports might have things which could be potentially helpful or valuablein the context of modern or even ancient military but modern warfare and ancient warfare is not really all that comparible to what combat sports are.
As a mainlanded Hawaiian it sucks I can’t learn Lua as I’ve wanted to since I learned about it on National Geographic as a kid but it only feels special since you can’t learn it everywhere, also since I learned of Lua I’ve known it’d be good for self defense but it doesn’t mesh with MMA or organized fighting for sport because of its brutal nature of ending the fight fast cuz it’s not made for sport it’s made for defense of your life and loved ones
My dad had a big scar on his leg from where a marlin bill slashed him while it was flopping around on the deck. That's not an uncommon injury for deep sea fishing and there's a lot of grisly images out there of guys getting impaled as well. As far as metal substitutes for an ancient cultures, that's not a bad one.
As far as I know, modern Luo has changed and taken on a lot of new methods of fighting. It has taken on some of the stuff from their immigrants like from the Filliopines and Indonesia, also Kempo Karate. I think if I remember right.
There's a lot of similarities in martial arts in sea-faring cultures because the need to fight on surfaces with bad footing -- whether thats a rolling boat deck, soft sand on the beach, slippery rocks, or wet docks in port, etc -- is a real driver.
I remember seeing ads for Kapu Kuailua in Black Belt magazine back in the day. It sounded so deadly and secret. Then I saw Mike Bitonio vs Bart Vale. Oh well. It's still really cool though.
Stopping 3 min in. Not based on the ocean. And not from maoris. We had our own unique fighting styles. We share a similar language with Maori and other Polynesian groups where some of the words can be similar.
Yes i didn’t say the system is from Māoris i said the Hakka is from there originally. I could be wrong. The Hakka had to have a starting point somewhere.
@@inside_fighting Aloha, all Polynesian cultures have a Haka. In Hawaiian, it’s called Ha’akoa or Ha’a. It’s unique to Hawaii as are all Polynesian war dances are to each other. The Māoris just marketed theirs better with their rugby teams.
I love this video and I can definitely see how this art could be applied with others for self defense…..Can you do a video on Piper Knife Fighting System it’s of course a knife fighting system but it was also developed in prisons and then became a self defense system just like 52 Blocks I was watching one of the 52 Block instructors and imagined putting these two prison based systems together would be extremely effective
Your comment about empty hand forms linked to weapons forms: I studied karate and was always puzzled by the katas. Puzzled, because the traditional blocks and footwork in many of these katas seemed to be about an unarmed defense against an armed opponent. For example, the rising arm block (age uki) makes no sense as a defense against a punch. It makes even less sense to have a form where one does this block stepping forward. However, this block stepping forward makes perfect sense as an un-armed defense against someone attacking with a stick or a sword. The same is true for many traditional blocks in karate and their inclusion in katas. And yet, whenever I've brought up my theory to traditional karate teachers, they insist that all the blocks and katas are about combat with an unarmed opponent.
I would have to agree with you over them. The karate blocks and the time period in which they were founded make much more sense as systems to defend weapons... even farm tools and sticks over unarmed combat. Also the more ridgid strong movements make more sense too for this purpose.
Testicle twisting was done in hand to hand challenge bouts in my airborne light infantry unit to get a wrestler or Jiujitsu guy off of you. There's even a video on Chadi Judo channel of two Infantrymen fighting in the barracks (we were often fighting) and one guy clearly is a jiujitsu guy but the other Soldier seizes & squeezes the testicles sending the jiujitsu guy into screams and submission. So submission by testicle twisting is a real thing among military grunts. Modern day warriors. So is fish hooking and nostril spearing.
❤Lua! I would really wish the original pure system would not be kept hidden as this is still a very secretive system. My worry is that it is more DJJ and Kempo karate than Lua, but I have always been drawn to this system. I loved the clip of the guy in the red sarong using his elbows, forearms and not closed fist and not sure if this is pure Lua as it looked like Ted Tabora demoing, but it looks like a branch of the system. Samoan, Māori and Hawaiian arts look very similar and during lockdown I started researching these again as IMO they were more battlefield than the “DO” arts of today. I believe because they haven’t been spread worldwide they have stayed closer to their roots of battlefield arts and yes they could certainly be used in todays streets in the person has an understanding of the other phases of a street fight……including Dialogue and Deffusion, pre-emptive striking etc and possible be excellent for multiple attackers as this is what would happen on the battlefields or closeness of fighting on a ship/boat. I’d really like to see modern adaptations with street scenarios for this system and even system v system comparisons would be interesting. Let’s now keep going down this route and look at the other SP Islander arts. The dude in red sarong looks like he would be an awesome villain in a movie. His moves look a little silat like but usually we see petit men using silat demonstrations where he looked big, strong and powerful…….amazing what we see as effective when someone more the size of a western performs the techniques.
I honestly don't mind. It's their cultural heritage to do what they want with. They aren't obliged to open up everything Hawaiian to outsiders for our convenience. Lord knows we've left them little enough
The weapons go further. I saw videos about Lua, unfortunately BMed on a computer which I have no access at at the moment. Sling shots with small stones. Someone throwing a cascade of spears at the defender, one spear per second. The defender is dodging and deflecting the incoming spears. Overlapping with Lua are healing and massage methods, called Lomi Lomi. Also very interesting! Great video and I agree with your assessment about BJJ creeping into other systems for money purpose. It is bollocks.
Bro your videos are so insightful But yet again, the intro music is the star of the show . Inside insiiiide fighting yeaaah. Daaaangerous martial arts.. pow pow. 😊👊🏾🥋
Can you imagine being a sparing partner on that initial demo, turning up to class on day one..."right mr smith, john here is going to grab your face and er well you'll see!"
ALL Polynesians have their own form of a haka and their own form of a hula; and Māori IS Polynesian. Also, “Hawaiian Lua” @4:30 & @6:40 literally just looks like Okinawan Karate. The so called “Hawaiian Lua” starting with students wearing black karate gi’s; just looks like modern MMA training. Also, Krav Maga is just a frankenstein militarized self dense style that literally draws from other martial arts; Krav Maga in and of itself, is not original. The only true form of Hawaiian Lua is the Weapon training @ 14:00 with the paddle which is basically a Okinawan Eku and the wooden string that resembles a Wushu chain whip known as Jiu Jie Bian.
Most islander cultures have Hakka but they originated somewhere. From what j read it’s New Zealand. This seems to be a point of sensitivity for many though
at 2min, all that slashing, but no attempt at stabbing the heart. not very wise, for a war system. Re ''haka'': get your skull-smashing war clus, and find a couple sizable trees, and go totally frigging berserk, on those trees-- from a hidden ambush position. have nearby fallen tree serve as a downed opponent to savagely 'do in'.
@@inside_fighting OK, sorry, alibi, the computer made me do a frigging data dump, before i could continue anything. i shooda deleted my comment, rather than send, without watching the whole thing. sorry.
Sparring serves the purpose of practicing against a live opponent while being just short of maiming or killing someone. It's the period where technical corrections are made until refinement is achieved for free flow fighting.
Would you train this rare martial art?
Probably not train, but I have no issue with picking things up here or there to add to what I do now.
Nah no Thanks but Tank Abbott exposed that style since UFC 6 when he beat the 💩 out of John Matua who trains in that art id stick to Boxing, Kyokushin and FMA
@@Lcky-gu2gi well that's one fight.. so doesn't represent the entire system but this is also not intended as a ring based system and has lots of cultural value.
Elon can you do a video on vee arnis jitsu founded by professor florendo visitacion from the Philippines I'm a student of prof David james in Brooklyn excellent self defense i think you would appreciate
@@inside_fighting It's like this guy didn't listen to any of the first two minutes of the video lmao
Hi there, I'm Māori.
War dances are universal across Polynesia, they are not exclusive to Māori. In Hawaii, their war dances are called 'Ha'akoa'.
The full name for 'Lua' is 'Kapu Kuialua' and there are different linages of the martial art. The most popular school is Lua Halau O Kaihewalu, founded by Solomon Kaihewalu who was taught by John Chow Hoon (Danzan Ryu) and William Chow (Kempo Karate). Its difficult to say how much of Lua Halau O Kaihewalu is Kapu Kuialua and how much of it is Danzan Ryu and Kempo Karate. But that is why they wear gi.
In reality, I suspect that the Hawaiians would of fought in a similar fashion to Māori (our weapons are similar). Our tradition is called Mau Rākau. The most popular style is Te whare tu taua o Aoteroa, it involves empty hand techniques as well (similar to what you would see in Muay Thai with teeps, punches and clinch). We had a series on Māori TV called Toa O Aotearoa which show cased full contact weapons sparring with rākau (wooden sticks).
Thanks so much for the deep insights . I can only go by what i read so i love when someone with real experience shares the reality of it. 💪🏽
Aloha
You are correct on the weapons style of Hawaiians, however, Lua was primarily a wrestling/grappling style with some strikes implemented.
@@bronstonmahelona7676 Kia Ora, that's good to know. I managed to grab a copy of Lua: Art of the Hawaiian Warrior. I'm reading through it.
Wonderful insight, I wish I could speak to someone like yourself in person, I'm Aussie and love martial arts in general, and have practiced a lot of different arts over the years available in my general area since my early teens and fell in love with it. I'm over 50 and still practice . But the Maori culture has always fascinated me from the language, the traditional ways and particularly the traditional martial art of the Maori warrior I am very drawn too it, I know nothing of it, even my Maori friends here in AUS cant tell me much, of the traditional fighting styles which is such a shame. It's fantastic to hear from someone who actually knows. I'm am familiar with NZ's history in terms of the conflict with the British, I cannot explain why I am so drawn to it. By the way the Morai language is like music to my ear's it's awesome.
@@khublieoldschoolgamer5737 There is Mau Rakau in Australia, England and Hawaii. Anyone can partake. The 4 schools in Australia are Te Manawa Ora (Brisbane), Mai i Te Kore ki Te Puumanawa (Melbourne), Te Whare Tuu Tauaa o Te Ara Hononga (Melbourne) and Te Toka Tuu Moana (Perth).
Old traditional systems like this are very good for extreme situations, e.g. warfare or SHTF situations, what with their wonderful weapons. I was doing a class, and free sparring with this guy, and he knew what I had on me, but he went all wrestley (high level practitioner, Eastern Euro state trained) and it all ended when I pulled out the knife I had and just started working on him with it, because he was like, "Oh, I forgot about the knife" as his years of competition-based training had kicked in and it led him down a dark alley, let's say.
Great video, wonderful stuff, I share your sentiments.
Yes it’s a big wake up call when you forget people might be carrying weapons
Aha Polynesian martial arts, When the British Marine's who where regarded as the best fighting force in the world until they encountered the Morai warriors they had no idea that they we're about to be taught some valuable devastating lessons in close quarter combat, the Maori warriors were and still are some of scariest fighting men on the planet, they also invented trench warfare to combat the British marine's before the British had ever seen such a thing. It was these two things that eventually forced the British into treaty because they had there backsides kicked, shark teeth weapons are devistating, shards that break of in the skin also promote infection, excessive bleeding etc. I have many Morai and Samoan mates it is practically the same culture. Even today the Maori man is a formidable foe .They would also eat their fallen enemies to absorb there MANA (Spirit) including their own and the fallen marines. That is scary.
I’ll avoid getting people’s mana if i have to eat them 🤔🤔🤔🚟
@@inside_fighting hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
@@inside_fighting bro check out the movie The Dead lands, it's is the most accurate and brutal portrayal of the Polynesian fighting arts, it is absolutely brutal, it will shock you, entirely filmed in New Zealand. It's available to watch in full on TH-cam you won't regret it,
@@inside_fighting bro you should check out the 2014 movie The Deadlands , this is the most accurate portrayal of Maroi hand to hand combat you will ever see absolutely brutal, it will not disappoint. It's quite confronting and will send a chill down your spine. Entirely filmed in NZ
*Māori we’re called MĀORI
As a history geek i love these explorations of different fighting styles, developed by different cultures to fit their different needs. We humams problem solve for what is in front of us.
Exactly. The weapons are especially amazing in this system
You are always distinguished in all your meetings with senior martial arts teachers and your interesting topics. Through your channel, we learned many things related to the world of martial arts. I hope that you will conduct interviews with the stars of martial arts films in future
I hope so too! Great idea
OK the,first video was a new take and started after the 80s. The next is my favorite instructor Olohe Kihewalo. Who lead the resurgence of the art . The next clips were Lima Lama and are not Lua They are Samoan art based on Kajukenbo and Okinawan te. Unfortunately many of the experts in the martial arts world are just making things up . After practicing for 56 years The amount of these experts giving up the truth on their death beds has left me very disappointed and feeling like a fool.
Nice one, Ilan! I found out about Lua through an old Blackbelt Magazine issue. I was a kid at the time and was intrigued by their use of biting. Great stuff! Osu!
We must have seen it at the same time 😅
@@inside_fighting Probably!! I commented before I watched the video! 😄
Blocking and attacking at the same time is in Wing Chun and Jeet Kune Do and Krav Maga and Shorin Ryu and Shito Ryu.
Yes lots of systems have it
Do a video on Cornish wrestling
It seems to me that in today's world the UFC, which was created to promote BJJ and led to the creation of MMA, has brainwashed everyone into thinking it's the only viable "combat" system and everything else is somehow inferior. All historical arts exist for a reason and if they didn't work in their context they wouldn't have survived. Unfortunately, we don't know the full context of the original arts in many cases. so it's difficult to see how the moves apply.
I love your work man. Gotta say, from 6:48-7:50 the movements are reaaaaaly similar to Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut. Lots of short fore arm stuff...very fkn noice. Keep on rockin. Cheers
Aloha, thank you for the introduction to Lua for those who do not know about it.
Mahalo Nui.
Kumu Lua Deleon.
Some of the skin grabbing reminds me of Shaolin Chi na. A lot of grabbing twisting and tearing
Every time I hear about this art I think about Tank Abbott's first fight in the UFC. Tank's opponent was a Master of that system.
Yes his school was in San Pedro California
Greater reason why there has are open is to defend same idea to wing chun pock sau
Theres also the Polynesian art of Limalama with Samoan origins.
You can check out the maori in New Zealand. Most of Pacific Oceania's martial arts go back to NZ.
Most modern lua is a mixture of old lua, hula, and newer techniques. I'm not point out problems just mentioning the necessary issues to keep lua on going.
Thanks for the insights 🙏🏼
“He’s about to grab a space as no man should be grabbed.”
😂 so you are saying that you will grab rib skin etc but you draw the line at grabbing the “chicken” skin? 😂
😂😂😂😂 yes sir
ummmm.....the hakka is practised by all islanders as they have the same ancestory
Yes but they didn’t originate there from what i read. The Hakka started in New Zealand and spread. I may be wrong as I’m not a historian 🤷🏽♂️ it’s just what i found online.
i got grabbed by skin through gi on tuesday, my arm looks worse than after some beatdown actually
Yes it bruises up so bad for some reason it’s nuts… imagine someone who’s sole goal is to get skin 😂
Please look up Krav Maga and also can you do a video of Okinawan karate and it has grappling
Sure! I know Krav Maga very well
Goju Ryu has lots of standing grappling.
Been waiting for this one!
It's one of those arts that is hard to find a lot of footage for.
İ remember the ads in 90's Black Belt Magazines for VHS tapes for "Samoan Forbidden Art of Bone-breaking" by a guy named Kazja out of San Pedro, CA.
İ read a review about the tapes which said it encompassed material on par with what most westerners would call "military quick breaks".
The ads looked interesting. There was a stick fighting set of tapes too. Not sure if was really Samoan in origin or Filipino systems repackaged for clever markteting purposes.
Come on bro we gotta have a video on the cool geek memorabilia you've got behind you 😅
Next video I’ll do a quick close up on some of them 😅
@@inside_fighting Got some Tom Hardy Bane vibes from your RAID video :D
I love it! I love the cultures of several island tribesmen. I love tattau. I love how passionate and caring these cultures are. I like eating fish and seafood all day long. That being said... If this were in my area, I would learn it immediately
Me too :) i also love eating fish 😂 im just worried about mercury
@@inside_fighting Naah, no worries. Seafood is always worth it
Being a true Lua practitioner is NOT for the faint-of-heart, squeamish or weak willed.
It requires you to commit and be comfortable with maneuvers that are inherently "distasteful" to humans.
Eye gouging, fishhooking with intent to fully rip tge cheek, sticking you fingers in noses and mouths. You need to be ok with yanking hard on bones like ribs, jaws and collars.
It is designed to maime and cripple. There is no submission, that's for the ring.
Even the traditional weapons used in Lua are gnarly and will leave gruesome gushing wounds that just gush everywhere.
Can you handle twisting someone's jaw until it breaks, then continue to pull until it's ripped open? Are you comfortable feeling a clavicle snap like a broomstick in your hand, then twisting and pulling until it breaks skin? Are you cool with developing such a strong grip that you can literally tear chunks of meat off an enemy? Does maiming and/or crippling a person for life not give you pause?
Then Lua might be for you.
Shit. Is. BRUTAL.
Very insightful video 👏 I wonder if the skin grabbing/tearing was prominent in this fight system because many people of Southern Pacific descent have a high body mass (sometimes causing extra skin) which would make excellent grappling handles in CQB for warfare? Just a passing thought, but still an amazing fighting system and definitely proves that Hawaiians are some of the toughest fighters on Earth 💪💯
The weapons are amazing and unique. The hand to hand stuff, I’m not seeing anything different or special. Wish we could see more about skin grabs…
Paul Vunak talked about the skin ripping years ago, from FMA the biting and ripping of skin.
I’m glad you’re covering the martial art of my culture
Those guys would hunt wild boars with spears. I watched a hog take 5 from a 45ACP and 5 more from a 38special before laying down. Some people are tougher just because of the environment.
i dont stay in one spot unless my first strike has really dsabled him. Then I might move on it to finish him off, if need be. Practicing just standing there, like in front of a the wooden dummy, is a very bad habit to get into, Ditto most boxing With those pillows on your hands, you can't do much of anything, but with bare hands, a minor flick to his nose, cheekbones, eye brow can be enough of a distraction to let me REALLY smash something, grab something, get away from his weapon, etc. I know that the gloves offer protection for the fingers vs higher kicks, but I rarely kick higher than the lower thich and never higher than the bladder. Boxers aint dealing with kicks. PRACTICING getting your brain rattled makes no sense to me at all, and that's what boxing IS
MMA is the best way to train - even for warfare. People think fighting suddenly changes in battle?
People think, after years and years of boxing, I won't know how to strike the throat.. or that years of grappling have made it so I "have to follow" rules?
This "warfare art" stuff is bullshit, always has been.
These guys would get their asses handed to them by anyone attending an mma gym for just a year.. "Masters".
I think you would enjoy learning about New Zealand Maori martial arts, Mau Rakau. A lot of similarities to the Hawaiian techniques, but different weapons including awesome greenstone and whale bone weapons. Also, Australian Indigenous Coreeda, which is a sports martial art that looks like if Shuai Jiao and Capoeira got together and adopted a kangaroo.
First time I saw Lua in a fight was in the original UFC , early 90s.
First time I saw a documentary on Lua was a program hosted in History Channel by Army S.F. Group green beret Terry Shappert and he went to Hawaii to train with Polynesian Lua warriors and after received a traditional Polynesian tatua on his leg using traditional tatua tools.
Ya Tank Abbot knocked that Lua guy out in like 15 seconds or something. He went stiff and I had never seen anything like that before. I was shook 😂
That'll hurt
@@m.b.593oh man just remember that KO it was brutal.
@@m.b.593 The UFC Lua guy was not really a lua guy.
A little correction, though related somehow, what you show from minute 6:38 till about 7:50 is not intended to be Lua per se but Limalama, founded by GM Tumanao "Tino" Tuiolosega and this video can be found as Limalama by Ted Tabura, one of his close student's...
Haka = Maori dance of the warrior (pre battle protocol).
Haakoa = Hawaiian dance of warrior (pre battle protocol).
Mau Rakau = Maori combative art
Lua = Hawaiian combative art.
Lua is not a martial art per se, it is not a sport, there are no tap outs. It is not a self-defenses. At its core, it's only function is to take life.
I have been a student of martial arts (mostly Asian) for many years. If there is any martial art practitioner that I would fear to scrap, it would be a lua practitioner, because of their mindset and purpose of art.
I remember the ads of "Kapu'Lua" in Inside Kung Fu magazines. I too was obsessed with the concept. And no, I didnt buy them. You needed your parents to go and buy the money order to mail it in.
I would agree that alot of times that always judging various martial arts which were made by premodern people for warfare by the same standard by which we would judge something which was originally intended as a combat sport is a little bit narrow minded mainly because alot of the times hardly any ancient martial arts were ever intended to make anybody a super powerful specialized master of any particular combat skill especially any skill which involves taking anybody down with there barehands.In ancient warfare you are never going to likely have to go toe to toe with anybody like Chuck Lidell,Mike Tyson or anybody with a skillset quite like that.Many Judo masters could quite likely psychically overwhelm alot of Japanese Jujitsu master but that's sort of just because Jujitsu was not originally about being super specialized at physically overwhelming anybody with your bare hands in the first place but was instead intended to be a part many skills which were taught in conjunction with each other which you were never likely to ever become super specialized in any of partially because being a third degree blackbelt Judo master who trains to perfect a very specific skill matters very little when you and your army have got a whole lot of different weapons and is fighting another army who has got alot of different weapons.Granted combat sports might have existed back then in certain parts of the world however I think that combat sports and the mindset that goes with it in the context of many cultures tends to be more so a product of the modern contemporary world.Combat sports might have things which could be potentially helpful or valuablein the context of modern or even ancient military but modern warfare and ancient warfare is not really all that comparible to what combat sports are.
As a mainlanded Hawaiian it sucks I can’t learn Lua as I’ve wanted to since I learned about it on National Geographic as a kid but it only feels special since you can’t learn it everywhere, also since I learned of Lua I’ve known it’d be good for self defense but it doesn’t mesh with MMA or organized fighting for sport because of its brutal nature of ending the fight fast cuz it’s not made for sport it’s made for defense of your life and loved ones
When Lima Lama was created! A Guru , change some techniques! Called his style Lau Lima 😬
My dad had a big scar on his leg from where a marlin bill slashed him while it was flopping around on the deck. That's not an uncommon injury for deep sea fishing and there's a lot of grisly images out there of guys getting impaled as well. As far as metal substitutes for an ancient cultures, that's not a bad one.
As far as I know, modern Luo has changed and taken on a lot of new methods of fighting. It has taken on some of the stuff from their immigrants like from the Filliopines and Indonesia, also Kempo Karate. I think if I remember right.
There's a lot of similarities in martial arts in sea-faring cultures because the need to fight on surfaces with bad footing -- whether thats a rolling boat deck, soft sand on the beach, slippery rocks, or wet docks in port, etc -- is a real driver.
I remember seeing ads for Kapu Kuailua in Black Belt magazine back in the day. It sounded so deadly and secret. Then I saw Mike Bitonio vs Bart Vale. Oh well. It's still really cool though.
Very obscure martial art. What about kali and escrima. I only ask about it because I know you are really into Filipino martial arts.
Stopping 3 min in. Not based on the ocean. And not from maoris. We had our own unique fighting styles. We share a similar language with Maori and other Polynesian groups where some of the words can be similar.
Yes i didn’t say the system is from Māoris i said the Hakka is from there originally. I could be wrong. The Hakka had to have a starting point somewhere.
@@inside_fighting Aloha, all Polynesian cultures have a Haka. In Hawaiian, it’s called Ha’akoa or Ha’a. It’s unique to Hawaii as are all Polynesian war dances are to each other. The Māoris just marketed theirs better with their rugby teams.
The inclusion of MMA could be to teach the students an understanding of how those systems operate
do you need to be physicaly fit to do this or can you have a beer belly?
All Polynesian cultures have a haka. In Hawaiian it’s a Ha’a.
8:07 Damn right! 15 years ago everything was Krav Maga.
Too bad we lost so much details about these old Lua techniques and battlefield tactics.
Never heard of this martial arts
He just wanted to grab that guy by the junk.
Do a video on Cornish wrestling
I love this video and I can definitely see how this art could be applied with others for self defense…..Can you do a video on Piper Knife Fighting System it’s of course a knife fighting system but it was also developed in prisons and then became a self defense system just like 52 Blocks
I was watching one of the 52 Block instructors and imagined putting these two prison based systems together would be extremely effective
Absolutely! It's on my list
Your comment about empty hand forms linked to weapons forms: I studied karate and was always puzzled by the katas. Puzzled, because the traditional blocks and footwork in many of these katas seemed to be about an unarmed defense against an armed opponent. For example, the rising arm block (age uki) makes no sense as a defense against a punch. It makes even less sense to have a form where one does this block stepping forward. However, this block stepping forward makes perfect sense as an un-armed defense against someone attacking with a stick or a sword. The same is true for many traditional blocks in karate and their inclusion in katas. And yet, whenever I've brought up my theory to traditional karate teachers, they insist that all the blocks and katas are about combat with an unarmed opponent.
I would have to agree with you over them. The karate blocks and the time period in which they were founded make much more sense as systems to defend weapons... even farm tools and sticks over unarmed combat. Also the more ridgid strong movements make more sense too for this purpose.
I would like to see a vídeo on original Jeet Kune Do from the IFO. Checkout Tommy Carruthers movements.
I will. Sounds interesting by
I agree, there's a fine line that I too wouldn't cross. I would rather strike the groin, not grab it. 🤣
There’s just some things a man shouldn’t do to another man 😂
Testicle twisting was done in hand to hand challenge bouts in my airborne light infantry unit to get a wrestler or Jiujitsu guy off of you.
There's even a video on Chadi Judo channel of two Infantrymen fighting in the barracks (we were often fighting) and one guy clearly is a jiujitsu guy but the other Soldier seizes & squeezes the testicles sending the jiujitsu guy into screams and submission.
So submission by testicle twisting is a real thing among military grunts. Modern day warriors.
So is fish hooking and nostril spearing.
I’m pretty sure he was just grabbing the pants for demo purposes … in lieu of scrodding the guy.
All depends on the size of the guys dong 😂😂😂 it’s a risk I’m not willing to take
You should check out Carjitsu and phone booth fighting.
I saw bjj in a car 😂 looks nuts
Can you make a video on jeetkunedo
Yes I’ll make one 🙏🏼💪🏽
Just watch wing chun video
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I don't think this looks anything like wingchun
Wing chun as well
❤Lua!
I would really wish the original pure system would not be kept hidden as this is still a very secretive system.
My worry is that it is more DJJ and Kempo karate than Lua, but I have always been drawn to this system.
I loved the clip of the guy in the red sarong using his elbows, forearms and not closed fist and not sure if this is pure Lua as it looked like Ted Tabora demoing, but it looks like a branch of the system.
Samoan, Māori and Hawaiian arts look very similar and during lockdown I started researching these again as IMO they were more battlefield than the “DO” arts of today.
I believe because they haven’t been spread worldwide they have stayed closer to their roots of battlefield arts and yes they could certainly be used in todays streets in the person has an understanding of the other phases of a street fight……including Dialogue and Deffusion, pre-emptive striking etc and possible be excellent for multiple attackers as this is what would happen on the battlefields or closeness of fighting on a ship/boat.
I’d really like to see modern adaptations with street scenarios for this system and even system v system comparisons would be interesting.
Let’s now keep going down this route and look at the other SP Islander arts.
The dude in red sarong looks like he would be an awesome villain in a movie. His moves look a little silat like but usually we see petit men using silat demonstrations where he looked big, strong and powerful…….amazing what we see as effective when someone more the size of a western performs the techniques.
Awesome comment and great insight. Do you know any SP sets off hand you want to see?
I honestly don't mind. It's their cultural heritage to do what they want with. They aren't obliged to open up everything Hawaiian to outsiders for our convenience. Lord knows we've left them little enough
Thanks so much for sharing. So much Mana here.
💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 thank you brother
cool
Great content as always brother.
Much appreciated
Love these nuanced breakdowns good Sir!
Really appreciate that :)
The weapons go further. I saw videos about Lua, unfortunately BMed on a computer which I have no access at at the moment. Sling shots with small stones. Someone throwing a cascade of spears at the defender, one spear per second. The defender is dodging and deflecting the incoming spears. Overlapping with Lua are healing and massage methods, called Lomi Lomi. Also very interesting!
Great video and I agree with your assessment about BJJ creeping into other systems for money purpose. It is bollocks.
Love this, you have got to do one about the Maori too👌
I will for sure!
Bro your videos are so insightful
But yet again, the intro music is the star of the show .
Inside insiiiide fighting yeaaah. Daaaangerous martial arts.. pow pow. 😊👊🏾🥋
Can you imagine being a sparing partner on that initial demo, turning up to class on day one..."right mr smith, john here is going to grab your face and er well you'll see!"
The first guy Tank Abbott fought in the ufc trained in it. The head school 🏫 s in San Pedro California. I worked out with a few of their guys.
I am 3rd Dan of Kyokushin Karate, Faixa Marrom of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, among other things... and Kumu 4th Degree of Hawaiian Lua.
Excellent video!
Tell me more about you martial arts achievement
Please do Hung Gar Kuen! 🙏
ALL Polynesians have their own form of a haka and their own form of a hula; and Māori IS Polynesian. Also, “Hawaiian Lua” @4:30 & @6:40 literally just looks like Okinawan Karate. The so called “Hawaiian Lua” starting with students wearing black karate gi’s; just looks like modern MMA training. Also, Krav Maga is just a frankenstein militarized self dense style that literally draws from other martial arts; Krav Maga in and of itself, is not original. The only true form of Hawaiian Lua is the Weapon training @ 14:00 with the paddle which is basically a Okinawan Eku and the wooden string that resembles a Wushu chain whip known as Jiu Jie Bian.
Most islander cultures have Hakka but they originated somewhere. From what j read it’s New Zealand. This seems to be a point of sensitivity for many though
Extrêmement intéressant. Merci
Merci 🙏🏼
Very informative 😊
Awesome as always
Great video
I'm an idiot too
💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 only way to get through life 😂
@@inside_fighting If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough.
The ultimate bone buster.
😅 yes
Nut buster, too, it seems from the video!
@@WizardOfAtlantis 😂😂😂 apparently so
No one can break your bones if you practice this one! Best martial art for fighting.
at 2min, all that slashing, but no attempt at stabbing the heart. not very wise, for a war system. Re ''haka'': get your skull-smashing war clus, and find a couple sizable trees, and go totally frigging berserk, on those trees-- from a hidden ambush position. have nearby fallen tree serve as a downed opponent to savagely 'do in'.
Sure bird it’s just a two second clip. That actually comes up later tbh with some of their other weapons
@@inside_fighting OK, sorry, alibi, the computer made me do a frigging data dump, before i could continue anything. i shooda deleted my comment, rather than send, without watching the whole thing. sorry.
@@barrysmith1202 No need to apologize.
sparring is killing Martial Arts. Its not how they are designed to be trained.
I think sparring or at least some form of resistance is important but these martial arts are historical and have been used for centuries
That’s the most dumbest thing I’ve ever heard
Sparring serves the purpose of practicing against a live opponent while being just short of maiming or killing someone. It's the period where technical corrections are made until refinement is achieved for free flow fighting.