Rob is truly everything we as martial artists should strive to be - He has probably saved at least a few kids from being molested by now and maybe even saved a life. That's dedication outside the dojo and off the mat.
No touch knockouts are a thing a find extremely humorous, I actually found a school that claimed to teach them. I thought it was complete bullshit, so I asked him if he could demonstrate on me. He agreed, it didn't work, then he got mad and claimed some people are immune to it, but it's "very rare". Bullshido is real, and it's everywhere.
Heyo, I just posted a behemoth video/series on Aikido that mostly deals with its ideology. As an Aikido guy, I argue there that it was pretty much bunk from the outset. Might be outside the interests of people here as it’s arguably more historical than martial arts breakdown, but maybe some would enjoy it. What I will say about the Ueshiba “no-touch” stuff online is that those instances probably have more to do with culture than pure delusion. I’ve heard-and keep in mind these are “through the grapevine” type stories-that one of two things were happening there. One, Ueshiba was known for planting people hard enough that it was just better to throw yourself. In his younger days, I could see this, but I’m not entirely convinced the old man you see in film would be capable of such a feat. There are occasional injuries like that, though, both historical and contemporary (I’d suggest most of them come from crappy breakfalls, though). The second explanation: it was a “respect fall,” essentially meaning that it was a fall taken because of hierarchical disparity and admiration. We can argue that isn’t healthy either, sure, but Japan even today is extremely hierarchical. Such a criticism would inevitably be directed at the entire social culture, even if it’s more magnified in dojo culture. Having said that, there are a lot of nonsense stories about Ueshiba dodging bullets or whatever. I’m happy to report most students-even those very close to Ueshiba himself-tend to scoff at those claims. A few believe in them, but that seems to be the minority. There are a wealth of interviews with old Aikido people online and, generally, people will say he was an exceptional martial artist, but the pseudo-mysticism is silly. One of the major issues with Aikido more generally is that people are the weird stuff a minority get up to at the cost of stereotyping the whole art. There are a lot more “normal” folks in the style than the internet tends to give credit for. Would it be the style I’d suggest to people for raw fighting prowess or self defense? No. And I say this as an Aikido person myself, even having trained in Japan for many years. However, are there things you can take from Aikido to supplement a more fighting-minded approach? Absolutely.
I find it interesting that in all martial arts other than boxing and wrestling we think they most gifted guy should also be a coach. But some of the greatest boxing coaches and wrestling coaches never won a major title.
People practice martial arts for a lot of different reasons, I look at it like fishing. Some people like to be on a boat out in the water. Some like to fly fish or use certain poles, and lures. Some like to have a beer and get away and enjoy the outdoors, but at the end of the day, if you had to feed your family, could you catch a fish? You have to ask yourself are you learning a useful skill or buying into the hype, mystery, or commercialism. Unfortunately, the martial arts world provides the perfect venue for predators, snake oil salesmen, and delusion that can misdirect the person seeking true skill.
This is great to see and I like this exchange of ideas. Hope to see you and Dan from Art of One Dojo have a discussion as well, if you haven’t done it already.
When people have a skill, they tend to focus their energy on honing that skill, it's rare to find people who are talented in multiple completely separate areas, like martial arts/business prmotion. That's why athletes, musicians, actors, writers.. have managers/agents to handle the business side of things.
Where there are children there are predators lurking. So sad for teachers and instructors everywhere. I use to teach kids self defense classes from community centers and mobile home park rec centers, not worth the gamble anymore getting any false accusations.
Absolutely Great! Simply on point! I 100% agree! Martial Arts became too much an industry, with the problem being just sold by being loud and advertise. The work you guys are doing with this video is really important to bring awareness back to common sense and the dignity of Martial Arts. Law and rules were always based on a moral code, and this code is imprinted in our genes. But if this moral code is corrupted by so called civilized societies with rules and law, thats why people forget to act according to their natural moral code. The more you keep morality as a adaptive model, it will always fail, as we can see everyday. Moral only works if it is kept as a linear concept as it is imprinted in our genes. God bless you!
Interesting story about Ueyshiba doing no-touch Aikido. I have a book about Tohei Sensei (KI, A Road That Anyone Can Walk) that gives several accounts of him taking on multiple cops, wrestlers, and Judo black belts in unstaged combat, and easily defeating all of them with aikido. One account, reportedly before a crowd in Hawaii, has Tohei throwing a Wally Tsutsumi, a large professional wrestler 10x, and also challenging anyone in the building to a contest. I once asked a Ki Aikido instructor about Tohei's amazing record of actual application of aikido and asked him if there were any films of these contests. He said yes there were, but I've never located them. One interesting thing about this to me is that I long believed these stories about Tohei were absolutely true because they were published in a book.
Over 30 yrs i have been to dozens of gyms from simply travelling around growing up an from my own work. That being said. Without a doubt the more cultish gyms ( overall) were Brazilian Jiu jitsu. Just a fact sorry jitz guys an Karate or styles that had a different name but were non the less somewhat karate. The relatively most non cultish were without a doubt Judo an Boxing / Kickboxing gyms. This is just my experience over many years. Oh an brown belt Bjj. Shodan Judo an 30 + amateur boxing bouts here. Great episode!
When he said cameras and dojos I was ready to walk away. It sounds like he's trying to create a safe space within fight training... Not going to fly! His mockery of fake martial artists is entertainingly funny but his life goal in "Industry" Is a joke within itself. The colors of the rainbow do not belong in the Wu Tang Shan.
Re: Aikido. Try to stab someone in the guts with a knife and see how hard they grab your wrist and fixate on it, and then see how easy it is to standing wristlock them. The original trick to Aikido was that you weren't hunting for their wrist. They were giving you their wrist. Aikido was just a form of koryu jujutsu for Samurai in armor. You don't always have to practice in armor, but if you don't you still have to pretend like you are, so a bare knuckle jab punch to the face would've been a bad idea against an iron samurai armor mask. Only blades and grappling work against full armor. Tomiki Aikido was started by Kenji Tomiki who was high level in Judo before Kano sent him to learn Aikido from Ueshiba. Tomiki called Aikido "Judo at a distance". The knife sparring of Tomiki Aikido is still supposed to replicate armored fighting. That's why the knife strikes aren't jabby but are instead full force behind them with body movement because snippy snipey jabs wouldn't have made it through the armor, so you could ignore them while coming in to grapple. Aikido comes from Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu. When Tomiki got his Menkyo Kaiden (authorization to teach) it was still called Aiki-jujutsu. While he was a POW held by the Russians, the name was changed and the art was softened. When he got back to Japan, he first didn't like the changes because it wasn't the "harder" art he was taught, but he had to start calling it Aikido to not dishonor Ueshiba. The medieval European version of this would be like putting village peasant who knew pugilism against a knight in full armor. If the peasant punches the knight, he's going to ignore it, grapple the peasant and commence to "smesh".
I think there's something to this; it's true that aikido is based on old school jujutsu, which was essentially an adjunct to armed combat. But I don't think the part about the knife sparring in Tomiki Aikido holds up. Using knives to overcome armor is a real and important tactic in armed combat, but you absolutely don't do it by trying to thrust through the plates of armor at a distance with powerful committed strikes. You do it by getting really close, ideally grappling and immobilizing your opponent, and thrusting through the gaps in their armor. The ruleset of Tomiki Aikido doesn't correspond well to the sorts of tactics we see described in martial sources, Eastern or Western, which taught armed grappling techniques when they were current military tactics. It's possible that the founder justified the ruleset on this basis, but if so, it doesn't seem informed by a well-grounded awareness of how the ancestral arts of aikido were actually practiced.
If you get an opportunity you should have Dr. Itay Gil of Protect Krav Maga on your show. He's also a retired Yamam commando and was on the series Human Weapon. He's the world's leading instructor to tier 1 military units on knife defenses.
i had a student who was learning from adam mizner, and he was at one of adam's workshops, and he said adam was legit. he insisted on being touched by adam and feel it on himself, so its a good indication for me. beside that, in the last 2 years, adam put a lot of very explanatory videos on youtube, and in terms of internal martial arts, he really explains good. moreover, he has a lot of background in more physical chinese martial arts. about laws on the street as rules in competitions - not the same. in competition, you have refs and both sides are obligated by the rules. in the street, you may obey the law, but in most cases the attacking guy - wont. i mean they wouldnt care about the consequences. many things in traditional MA, in kata, forms, etc. is not for the application, rather for the motoric development. the connection of the motions. in a way its like doing pushups, it doesnt have to be translated directly to combat, but as a skill that make the overall combat ability better.
I thought that the US Judo Federation requires background checks for all dojo instructors and assistants. Also you cant call your dojo a judo dojo unless you are part of the Judo federation. Not saying that a background check will prevent abuse but there are checks in place to limit the wrong people from coaching Judo Excellent topic!
Ad. to "standing wrist locks".... more dangerous and more 'applicable' are standing ELBOW LOCKS. We've seen in some old judo matches where people ended with broken elbows because of to dynamic throws when you catch the forarm and do a leverage. They forbidden that in judo tournaments. It's much more easier to do a "standing elbow locks" in....muay thai clinch..etc.
It has very little to do with running the business. It has a lot to do with frauds and liars selling a fantasy that real martial artists can't compete with (as far as selling the art goes).
There are definitely rules on the street. Daniel Penny was a victim of them at the hands of the Manhattan District Attorney. Whether you're defending yourself or you're the aggressor, the rules and laws of society are still in effect. I'm not making an opinion of the Daniel Penny case, but I do believe the reality of the scenario's outcome is a primary factor.
one thing that few know is that Mas Oyama was a Korean immigrant called Yeong-eui Choi and he moved to Japan and changed his name. It's full of lies that he created like the story of breaking ox horns with one blow and also having fought against hundreds of opponents and having beaten them all in a few days. Seek the truth.
... to be fair, you're a decent, moral guy with principles and a couple of life lessons under your ... belt, whichever the colour, metaphorical or literal, so your students asking about your take on something else seems not that wild or surprising. You may be just there to teach martial arts, but the other way around, you aren't just the martial arts guy, and those students might just recognize and respect the person beyond that one immediate aspect. Although I get what you're saying.
@joeoleary9010, the spearing kick that Seagal taught Anderson Silva and Jesse Enkamp is a real kick taught in Okinawan uechi ryu. The vertical fist punch he teaches is common in Okinawan Isshin Ryu kara te and in other Okinawan Ryu. In fact, all of what Seagal teaches is legit waza found in varying Okinawan Ryu and in Japanese Koryu. Yet MMA influencers create content ignorantly calling Seagal's waza fake and his teaching fraudulent. Is Seagal guilty of embellishing his life history, lying about meeting morihei ueshiba & jun fan bruce lee or $3xu@lly assaulting actresses? I don't know. Is he a fake martial arts master? No way. He's legit and all lifelong Okinawan karateka and Japanese Jujutsu experts recognize his waza as legit. Yes, he claims to have invented waza that exists in various traditional arts but to be fair many do that. Helio Gracie claimed he invented leverage and waza common to prewar Judo, catch wrestling and Japanese Jujutsu. Most martial artists think they invented new waza but nothing is new. It's all been done before by someone who lived before. Seagal is a legit master of tenshin gakuen bugei.
Do you think the original Karate Kid movies are one reason why people expect martial arts teachers to be trusted advisors and wise in all areas of life? The Mr Miyagi character is a very appealing mentor.
Oyama said in his Book that a Shotokan Master kicked his ass when he's doing military job and are already a Boxer and yeah Karate worked very good before became a point sport.
Shoes on and wearing something like street clothes has legitimate teaching and practical value. Yes, maybe you could be "caught chilling on the couch" at home. But at home you have access to all sorts of things that you can use as weapons if you know how to look at them correctly. And the fight won't be a three hour seminar. It will be seconds or minutes. I usually wear certain clothes when I am not actually in the gym, and they have effects on the way I can move. I am not going to be doing snappy high kicks in Ariat work boots. Just not going to happen. People who wear, say, skirts or jackets or have glasses they might lose *should* spend a decent amount of time training with them if self defense is one of their goals.
You can say that's too much based on what they'll give you it might be too much for what they can teach you but for that to work you have to name a specific School you can't just say all martial arts schools cost too much
@43:40 McDojoLife knows about Aikido but not Hapkido?! He didn't do his homework! Anyways, I took a class in Hapkido & I happen to be a blackbelt in ITF Taekwondo (1 dan). Fun fact; if you translate write Hapkido in it's sino-characters (aka Hanja) and Aikido in its sino-characters (aka kanji), it is literally the same characters: 合氣道 Main difference between Aikido and Hapkido is that Hapkido uses strikes; and the strikes are based off of Taekwondo (and TKD is inspired mostly by Karate). So imagine Aikido with basic Karate strikes.
@ wow, u actually took the time to go through another person’s channel just to respond to me. An internet nobody of all people. I did not expect that. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Deceptive clickbait thumbnail! I was super excited to hear you two talk about Russian Drunken Eagle-Claw Guy based on his inclusion in the thumbnail. Disappointed that he didn't even get a mention.
I mostly agree with you about martial arts and religion with a big "but". Some very specific martial arts are part of particular religions. The old Japanese martial arts had esoteric Buddhism (not Zen) as part of training for very specific pedagogical reasons. Gatka and Sikhism. And there are some styles of Silat that are explicitly Muslim. If you're not a Muslim you don't learn them. They aren't, as you say "trying to spread themselves throughout the world." They're small. They're local. And they're as much religious devotion as they are martial art. These are the exceptions rather than the rule, but I won't put down the systems or their practitioners within the cultural context they exist in.
1:07 "3rd degree in Lissajous-do a weapon system no one's ever heard of " I have. i just didn't know that I had. Rest in peace Lee Barden. I definitely want to hear more about your experience in this system Rob.
Very interesting points. It's funny but the pendulum Also applies from student makeup not only instructor makeup. I've been teaching martial arts for over 20 years. I've been teaching as a mission not as a business I do not charge I offer my time. Teaching old school like the way it was done in China centuries ago. Students come in with bogus expectations. Students are unable to follow through with homework you give them. Students don't show up to lessons and expect Good progress. Adding insult to injury they don't even pay for services yet they carry themselves with insane entitlement. Martial arts has been for me always character development above throwing kicks and punches which is way easy to develop than integrity self-discipline honesty in practice, in this students and instructors alike sometimes fail to understand
Rob - hope you do a story one day on Michael hands - Long Island priest, martial artist (a very good one - I studied with him a bit in 99-00) and also unfortunately a pedophile. His story ends tragically. You can google him, email me for more details
@ I met Mike in 93 at a martial arts retreat. He was an accomplished tae Kwon do guy who I think studied JKD with Dan inosanto and from that got into pencak Silat. The latter was really rare and unusual to see 30 years ago. when I moved to Long Island in the late 90s I looked him up, he was teaching on the side in the basketball gym at his church. he was a fabulous martial artist and instructor. I never saw any of the other stuff personally. I found out about it a couple years later in the news.
The video is very good, I just have a few points to add: Even though I do muay thai and muay chaiya, I like kyoukushin karate, but a kyoukushin low kick battle against muay thai and kickboxing has some points to consider. This does not demonstrate a real fight, the fighters should use their footwork and not stand still, it looks like a slapping or arm wrestling contest; another thing, kyoukushin practitioners should be without kimono, I've seen them slightly move their legs to minimize the impact of the kicks. I also want to see fighters like buakaw or saenchai in a fight like this against the best kyoukushin. I don't know if you researched history in depth, but Master Oyama studied with Thais in rural villages in Thailand, because karate generally doesn't use the shin to kick but rather the feet. Although MMA may not be considered an example, karate of any style does not stand out much in MMA like Muay Thai. Another factor, in muay chaiya, as well as in military muay thai, the low kick is used with the slightly upper part of the shin and not the lower part and the leg is slightly bent and rigid from the beginning to the end of the blow, in addition to the rotation torso and mass acceleration.
Well, that man talkes quite reasonable. Doesn’t change the fact though that I saw clips of him where he put absolutely respectable martial artists in one category with no touch bullshitters. One example for u. He commented on a clip of Emin Boztepe and belittled him and his art. I don’t know EB personally nor have I ever trained WT, yet I have the perspective to see where’s value and I’m honest enough to recognise what the intention of presented material is. Like u shouldn’t watch a hubud drill and say: that’s not fighting
@inside_fighting he has definitely done that. Now that said, he needs content and half the time doesn't really know who he is talking about. He could see an isolated clip and go off that. So people should keep that in mind and not take it too personally. Even an old Emin Botzepe is still a guy i wouldn't want to throw down with (grappling or not)
No clue who that is and I have done Hu Bud and don’t think it’s nonsense. 🤷🏻♂️ I actually think wing Chun has a lot of value. Not sure where you get that statement from but feel free to show me what I said and the context 🤷🏻♂️
@@Polentacciostill waiting. If you could show me where I did that it would be appreciated. Also, I do full breakdowns of the clips I post. You have a lot to learn about what it is I do. 🤷🏻♂️
Both Aikido and Hapkido have their roots in Diato Ryu. Some of those kicks are meant to be done with shoes on. Like "Korean Jujitsu" Hapkido includes punches, kicks, locks, throws, chokes and limited groundwork. It has a rather fascinating history and qualifies as a "traditional" mixed martial art.
A lot of training in shoes has to do with techniques that don’t work as well barefoot and aren’t really practised anymore due to be toe breakers or not seen in the ufc . The snap kick to The groin or joints with a pair of steel caps is as effective as any big Thai roundhouse . Land generally quicker . Stomps are way better in shoes or boots . And you get the chance to practice kicking walls , that will get your kicks really strong especially if you have the mindset that this wall is in the way of you saving your kid / dog etc as the room is on fire . Watch what happens to a locked door with this mindset .I know you maybe barefoot at home but any Arnis guy would have a range of weapons concealed in convenient places . Take care
Once again thank you for pronouncing Tae Kwon Do correctly ("Teh" Kwon Doh) unlike the guest on your show who said "Tie" Kwon Doh like 99.9% of the North American population do LOL
@55:43 "Hates everything religions related to martial arts" but "respects tradition" in martial arts. Dude, does Elon, or Elen (however you spell his name) even listen to himself? You do know that the two are related right? Any martial arts system is a product of the culture that creates them; Aikido is a product of Zen Buddhism, Kung Fu (depending on the style of it) are products of Chinese buddhism, Taoism, or confucianism, Karate is a product of Buddhism; specifically the Heart Sutra, Judo is a product of Japanese Buddhism & confucianism (which is indirectly passed on to BJJ), Muay Thai is a product of Thai Buddhism (as Muay Lao is a product of Laotian buddhism), etc. What do you think forms the philosophy of these systems? The cultural values of the society that creates them. And what do you think forms the values of that society? The religion that the people of that societies subscribe to. Do you somehow believe that these systems pop out of nowhere & there is no tree that they grew from?
😂 your comment is wrong for so many reasons but I’ll let you keep thinking that. To think that all martial arts originate from some sort of religion is nonsense. 🤷🏻♂️
@@McDojoLife That’s not exactly what i said, but even if it was, clearly you, Mr. Rob Ingram, understand asian culture better than asians who grew up in it. I mean gee, the philosophy behind karate being influenced by the Japanese/Okinawan culture that created it? What a ridiculous idea. Clearly as an alleged 3rd degree karate blackbelt such as yourself, you would know better than to entertain such silly notions 🙄
I am not too fond of this guy's attitude, honestly. I'm a traditionalist in Chinese King Fu, and for me I really do believe in careful vetting of teachers, but then extreme loyalty and respect towards them of they agree to teach someone. Students, disciples, and authorized instructors normally have had structure and a special mentorship relationship with their masters. Vet them carefully before making a commitment, but then don't waste their time once the commitment is made - that's my stance. In the world of traditional martial arts, it takes years to make significant progress, and only well-trained teachers could become heirs to the tradition, so if teachers spent time on dabblers, their system would die. Before it died out, it would be diluted out of effectiveness due to the partial attention students paid to their training.
It’s not casuals that dilute the art out of its effectiveness it’s the fact that that art doesn’t spar or have full contact competition that make it ineffective.
Enjoyed this and clearly good and important work. As a niggle, I do think that the Krav Maga anecdote is a bit off point, getting blistered feet from moving around in bare feet for a long time is clearly a very low risk in an actual self protection situation, of which the physical violence portion will probably last seconds. If you want 'worst case' re footwear try training in black oxfords with leather soles (or indeed stiletto heels)
I'm over 45 years old. As a child/teenager I lived in "bad area". And I NEVER.... NEVER.... NEVER see a real fight but without shoes :/ But I live in Europe, and we don't spend the most of our live on beach ;D
Hey. Just came across this guy. Heard hid name, but never saw his stuff. Looks interesting. th-cam.com/video/GVfv_v3etBM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LaWfBl2d5eP2qnBl
Rob is truly everything we as martial artists should strive to be - He has probably saved at least a few kids from being molested by now and maybe even saved a life.
That's dedication outside the dojo and off the mat.
@@williamkrevey1098 agreed. It’s a very honorable undertaking
I liked when Rob told the Bujikan Ninjutsu test story; "they wouldn't let me hit them on the head."
No touch knockouts are a thing a find extremely humorous, I actually found a school that claimed to teach them.
I thought it was complete bullshit, so I asked him if he could demonstrate on me. He agreed, it didn't work, then he got mad and claimed some people are immune to it, but it's "very rare".
Bullshido is real, and it's everywhere.
I love no touch knockouts 😂
@@inside_fighting HadoOOOOUUUKEN
Loved the video! Bujinkan goes up to 15th dan by the way. Still waiting on the video of Tommy Carrruthers JKD😁
Thank you both for keeping martial arts safe and legit.
Appreciate the comment! Thank you
Im only 5min in and i love this conversation on so many levels
Thanks so much brother 🙏🏼
You the man brother! Keep up the solid work.
Heyo, I just posted a behemoth video/series on Aikido that mostly deals with its ideology. As an Aikido guy, I argue there that it was pretty much bunk from the outset. Might be outside the interests of people here as it’s arguably more historical than martial arts breakdown, but maybe some would enjoy it.
What I will say about the Ueshiba “no-touch” stuff online is that those instances probably have more to do with culture than pure delusion. I’ve heard-and keep in mind these are “through the grapevine” type stories-that one of two things were happening there. One, Ueshiba was known for planting people hard enough that it was just better to throw yourself. In his younger days, I could see this, but I’m not entirely convinced the old man you see in film would be capable of such a feat. There are occasional injuries like that, though, both historical and contemporary (I’d suggest most of them come from crappy breakfalls, though). The second explanation: it was a “respect fall,” essentially meaning that it was a fall taken because of hierarchical disparity and admiration. We can argue that isn’t healthy either, sure, but Japan even today is extremely hierarchical. Such a criticism would inevitably be directed at the entire social culture, even if it’s more magnified in dojo culture.
Having said that, there are a lot of nonsense stories about Ueshiba dodging bullets or whatever. I’m happy to report most students-even those very close to Ueshiba himself-tend to scoff at those claims. A few believe in them, but that seems to be the minority. There are a wealth of interviews with old Aikido people online and, generally, people will say he was an exceptional martial artist, but the pseudo-mysticism is silly.
One of the major issues with Aikido more generally is that people are the weird stuff a minority get up to at the cost of stereotyping the whole art. There are a lot more “normal” folks in the style than the internet tends to give credit for. Would it be the style I’d suggest to people for raw fighting prowess or self defense? No. And I say this as an Aikido person myself, even having trained in Japan for many years. However, are there things you can take from Aikido to supplement a more fighting-minded approach? Absolutely.
Aikido is like taichi, most of it is touch sensitivity training, and qi/ki is a big deal. But some schools have forgotten this
Nice to see Rob on your channel. McDojo doeas great job!
He definitely is out there making a difference.
Love It!! Great collaboration. This should be a regular thing!! lol
I find it interesting that in all martial arts other than boxing and wrestling we think they most gifted guy should also be a coach. But some of the greatest boxing coaches and wrestling coaches never won a major title.
People practice martial arts for a lot of different reasons, I look at it like fishing. Some people like to be on a boat out in the water. Some like to fly fish or use certain poles, and lures. Some like to have a beer and get away and enjoy the outdoors, but at the end of the day, if you had to feed your family, could you catch a fish? You have to ask yourself are you learning a useful skill or buying into the hype, mystery, or commercialism. Unfortunately, the martial arts world provides the perfect venue for predators, snake oil salesmen, and delusion that can misdirect the person seeking true skill.
Nice analogy
This is great to see and I like this exchange of ideas.
Hope to see you and Dan from Art of One Dojo have a discussion as well, if you haven’t done it already.
I’ll get in touch with him.
When people have a skill, they tend to focus their energy on honing that skill, it's rare to find people who are talented in multiple completely separate areas, like martial arts/business prmotion. That's why athletes, musicians, actors, writers.. have managers/agents to handle the business side of things.
Agreed
Hope you two do more videos together
Same, was a good time
@@MrRourk we will 🙏🏼
When I used to teach and someone was done.......I just said "OK hope you enjoyed the training"
Where there are children there are predators lurking. So sad for teachers and instructors everywhere. I use to teach kids self defense classes from community centers and mobile home park rec centers, not worth the gamble anymore getting any false accusations.
Well sadly you are right about where there are children there are predators
@@inside_fighting Thx for the reply, I really enjoy your channel, and personality. Your creative and humble work is appreciated!
His point about teachers getting upset about training with other people is so true. it's ridiculous.
It would be great to see more collabs. Whenever a thought becomes a belief, the thought becomes real
Great quote
Absolutely Great! Simply on point!
I 100% agree! Martial Arts became too much an industry, with the problem being just sold by being loud and advertise. The work you guys are doing with this video is really important to bring awareness back to common sense and the dignity of Martial Arts.
Law and rules were always based on a moral code, and this code is imprinted in our genes. But if this moral code is corrupted by so called civilized societies with rules and law, thats why people forget to act according to their natural moral code. The more you keep morality as a adaptive model, it will always fail, as we can see everyday. Moral only works if it is kept as a linear concept as it is imprinted in our genes.
God bless you!
God bless my friend 🙏🏼
Gentlemen, excellent content, loved it!
Interesting story about Ueyshiba doing no-touch Aikido. I have a book about Tohei Sensei (KI, A Road That Anyone Can Walk) that gives several accounts of him taking on multiple cops, wrestlers, and Judo black belts in unstaged combat, and easily defeating all of them with aikido. One account, reportedly before a crowd in Hawaii, has Tohei throwing a Wally Tsutsumi, a large professional wrestler 10x, and also challenging anyone in the building to a contest. I once asked a Ki Aikido instructor about Tohei's amazing record of actual application of aikido and asked him if there were any films of these contests. He said yes there were, but I've never located them. One interesting thing about this to me is that I long believed these stories about Tohei were absolutely true because they were published in a book.
Anything that used to be written in a book was accepted as fact which is amazing in hindsight
If your teacher tells you that you have to register your hands as lethal weapons, you are being scammed.
Thank you, for the content.
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
59 and a half minutes of Inside Fighting. I’ll take it!
Hahah thanks brother. Hope you had a good Christmas
You two make a great combo! Rob is the man.
Over 30 yrs i have been to dozens of gyms from simply travelling around growing up an from my own work. That being said. Without a doubt the more cultish gyms ( overall) were Brazilian Jiu jitsu. Just a fact sorry jitz guys an Karate or styles that had a different name but were non the less somewhat karate. The relatively most non cultish were without a doubt Judo an Boxing / Kickboxing gyms. This is just my experience over many years. Oh an brown belt Bjj. Shodan Judo an 30 + amateur boxing bouts here. Great episode!
Sounds like you have a nice amount of martial arts experience in some great styles
Haha, your into cracks me up every time. Love it.
Thank you 😂
Excellent video, guys!! 👍
When he said cameras and dojos I was ready to walk away. It sounds like he's trying to create a safe space within fight training... Not going to fly!
His mockery of fake martial artists is entertainingly funny but his life goal in "Industry" Is a joke within itself.
The colors of the rainbow do not belong in the Wu Tang Shan.
Re: Aikido. Try to stab someone in the guts with a knife and see how hard they grab your wrist and fixate on it, and then see how easy it is to standing wristlock them. The original trick to Aikido was that you weren't hunting for their wrist. They were giving you their wrist. Aikido was just a form of koryu jujutsu for Samurai in armor. You don't always have to practice in armor, but if you don't you still have to pretend like you are, so a bare knuckle jab punch to the face would've been a bad idea against an iron samurai armor mask. Only blades and grappling work against full armor. Tomiki Aikido was started by Kenji Tomiki who was high level in Judo before Kano sent him to learn Aikido from Ueshiba. Tomiki called Aikido "Judo at a distance". The knife sparring of Tomiki Aikido is still supposed to replicate armored fighting. That's why the knife strikes aren't jabby but are instead full force behind them with body movement because snippy snipey jabs wouldn't have made it through the armor, so you could ignore them while coming in to grapple. Aikido comes from Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu. When Tomiki got his Menkyo Kaiden (authorization to teach) it was still called Aiki-jujutsu. While he was a POW held by the Russians, the name was changed and the art was softened. When he got back to Japan, he first didn't like the changes because it wasn't the "harder" art he was taught, but he had to start calling it Aikido to not dishonor Ueshiba. The medieval European version of this would be like putting village peasant who knew pugilism against a knight in full armor. If the peasant punches the knight, he's going to ignore it, grapple the peasant and commence to "smesh".
I think there's something to this; it's true that aikido is based on old school jujutsu, which was essentially an adjunct to armed combat. But I don't think the part about the knife sparring in Tomiki Aikido holds up. Using knives to overcome armor is a real and important tactic in armed combat, but you absolutely don't do it by trying to thrust through the plates of armor at a distance with powerful committed strikes. You do it by getting really close, ideally grappling and immobilizing your opponent, and thrusting through the gaps in their armor. The ruleset of Tomiki Aikido doesn't correspond well to the sorts of tactics we see described in martial sources, Eastern or Western, which taught armed grappling techniques when they were current military tactics. It's possible that the founder justified the ruleset on this basis, but if so, it doesn't seem informed by a well-grounded awareness of how the ancestral arts of aikido were actually practiced.
thanks for the post and i am glad i caught it before i wrote a similar one😅
Very entertaining and informative .
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If you get an opportunity you should have Dr. Itay Gil of Protect Krav Maga on your show. He's also a retired Yamam commando and was on the series Human Weapon.
He's the world's leading instructor to tier 1 military units on knife defenses.
i had a student who was learning from adam mizner, and he was at one of adam's workshops, and he said adam was legit. he insisted on being touched by adam and feel it on himself, so its a good indication for me. beside that, in the last 2 years, adam put a lot of very explanatory videos on youtube, and in terms of internal martial arts, he really explains good. moreover, he has a lot of background in more physical chinese martial arts.
about laws on the street as rules in competitions - not the same. in competition, you have refs and both sides are obligated by the rules. in the street, you may obey the law, but in most cases the attacking guy - wont. i mean they wouldnt care about the consequences.
many things in traditional MA, in kata, forms, etc. is not for the application, rather for the motoric development. the connection of the motions. in a way its like doing pushups, it doesnt have to be translated directly to combat, but as a skill that make the overall combat ability better.
I’ll have to go try for myself. My experience has been to go feel something now. I’ll make an episode of it
@inside_fighting
defenatly the best way to make an opinion. will wait for that episode :)
I thought that the US Judo Federation requires background checks for all dojo instructors and assistants.
Also you cant call your dojo a judo dojo unless you are part of the Judo federation.
Not saying that a background check will prevent abuse but there are checks in place to limit the wrong people from coaching Judo
Excellent topic!
@@cvz8849 it definitely helps a lot
Alot of sales scams can be reskinned over a gym(dojo/kwoon etc)
Ad. to "standing wrist locks".... more dangerous and more 'applicable' are standing ELBOW LOCKS.
We've seen in some old judo matches where people ended with broken elbows because of to dynamic throws when you catch the forarm and do a leverage.
They forbidden that in judo tournaments.
It's much more easier to do a "standing elbow locks" in....muay thai clinch..etc.
Religion seems to be big in Systema.
It has very little to do with running the business. It has a lot to do with frauds and liars selling a fantasy that real martial artists can't compete with (as far as selling the art goes).
It’s sadly very pervasive
Hei you must watching Sammy Franco tv and his video.
He say that the way wing chun blocking does not work
akido is amazing there a french teacher who really good in self defense and keep the traditional spirit
lol aikido is useless
There are definitely rules on the street. Daniel Penny was a victim of them at the hands of the Manhattan District Attorney. Whether you're defending yourself or you're the aggressor, the rules and laws of society are still in effect. I'm not making an opinion of the Daniel Penny case, but I do believe the reality of the scenario's outcome is a primary factor.
one thing that few know is that Mas Oyama was a Korean immigrant called Yeong-eui Choi and he moved to Japan and changed his name. It's full of lies that he created like the story of breaking ox horns with one blow and also having fought against hundreds of opponents and having beaten them all in a few days. Seek the truth.
... to be fair, you're a decent, moral guy with principles and a couple of life lessons under your ... belt, whichever the colour, metaphorical or literal, so your students asking about your take on something else seems not that wild or surprising. You may be just there to teach martial arts, but the other way around, you aren't just the martial arts guy, and those students might just recognize and respect the person beyond that one immediate aspect. Although I get what you're saying.
Well that’s quite a nice compliment 🤔 i appreciate that. Feeling pretty good now
In Japan a parent normally watches their child train Judo or Karate that's very smart, It's more difficult for predators to act in Japan.
Okay so I got to thinking about soft and hard underhooks.
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The truly weird thing about the front kick in MMA is that Steven Seagal really did teach Anderson Silva to win a match with it.
I know 😂 but he acted like he invented it
@joeoleary9010, the spearing kick that Seagal taught Anderson Silva and Jesse Enkamp is a real kick taught in Okinawan uechi ryu.
The vertical fist punch he teaches is common in Okinawan Isshin Ryu kara te and in other Okinawan Ryu.
In fact, all of what Seagal teaches is legit waza found in varying Okinawan Ryu and in Japanese Koryu.
Yet MMA influencers create content ignorantly calling Seagal's waza fake and his teaching fraudulent.
Is Seagal guilty of embellishing his life history, lying about meeting morihei ueshiba & jun fan bruce lee or $3xu@lly assaulting actresses? I don't know.
Is he a fake martial arts master? No way. He's legit and all lifelong Okinawan karateka and Japanese Jujutsu experts recognize his waza as legit.
Yes, he claims to have invented waza that exists in various traditional arts but to be fair many do that. Helio Gracie claimed he invented leverage and waza common to prewar Judo, catch wrestling and Japanese Jujutsu. Most martial artists think they invented new waza but nothing is new. It's all been done before by someone who lived before.
Seagal is a legit master of tenshin gakuen bugei.
Do you think the original Karate Kid movies are one reason why people expect martial arts teachers to be trusted advisors and wise in all areas of life? The Mr Miyagi character is a very appealing mentor.
Kyokushin was created in the 60's by Mas Oyama to try and make karate work.
Oyama said in his Book that a Shotokan Master kicked his ass when he's doing military job and are already a Boxer and yeah Karate worked very good before became a point sport.
Shoes on and wearing something like street clothes has legitimate teaching and practical value. Yes, maybe you could be "caught chilling on the couch" at home. But at home you have access to all sorts of things that you can use as weapons if you know how to look at them correctly. And the fight won't be a three hour seminar. It will be seconds or minutes. I usually wear certain clothes when I am not actually in the gym, and they have effects on the way I can move. I am not going to be doing snappy high kicks in Ariat work boots. Just not going to happen. People who wear, say, skirts or jackets or have glasses they might lose *should* spend a decent amount of time training with them if self defense is one of their goals.
You can say that's too much based on what they'll give you it might be too much for what they can teach you but for that to work you have to name a specific School you can't just say all martial arts schools cost too much
@43:40 McDojoLife knows about Aikido but not Hapkido?! He didn't do his homework!
Anyways, I took a class in Hapkido & I happen to be a blackbelt in ITF Taekwondo (1 dan). Fun fact; if you translate write Hapkido in it's sino-characters (aka Hanja) and Aikido in its sino-characters (aka kanji), it is literally the same characters: 合氣道
Main difference between Aikido and Hapkido is that Hapkido uses strikes; and the strikes are based off of Taekwondo (and TKD is inspired mostly by Karate). So imagine Aikido with basic Karate strikes.
I didn’t get a script before the show man 😂
@ wow, u actually took the time to go through another person’s channel just to respond to me. An internet nobody of all people.
I did not expect that.
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@@clementkong8133 I’m literally on this video….i respond to people 🤷🏻♂️ everyone is a somebody
Deceptive clickbait thumbnail! I was super excited to hear you two talk about Russian Drunken Eagle-Claw Guy based on his inclusion in the thumbnail. Disappointed that he didn't even get a mention.
Apologies. I should make a video about him. It will be done 🙏🏼
@@inside_fighting You'd better! :P I'm a 310th-degree black belt in Keyboard-Fu, don't make me type "that won't work on the streets" at you!
@ 🤣🤣🤣 I’m dead ☠️
I mostly agree with you about martial arts and religion with a big "but". Some very specific martial arts are part of particular religions. The old Japanese martial arts had esoteric Buddhism (not Zen) as part of training for very specific pedagogical reasons. Gatka and Sikhism. And there are some styles of Silat that are explicitly Muslim. If you're not a Muslim you don't learn them. They aren't, as you say "trying to spread themselves throughout the world." They're small. They're local. And they're as much religious devotion as they are martial art. These are the exceptions rather than the rule, but I won't put down the systems or their practitioners within the cultural context they exist in.
1:07 "3rd degree in Lissajous-do a weapon system no one's ever heard of " I have. i just didn't know that I had. Rest in peace Lee Barden. I definitely want to hear more about your experience in this system Rob.
No touch k.o is simply hypnosis
That Russian Master in the StartPic may beat Ameri-Do-Te!...
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Very interesting points. It's funny but the pendulum Also applies from student makeup not only instructor makeup. I've been teaching martial arts for over 20 years. I've been teaching as a mission not as a business I do not charge I offer my time. Teaching old school like the way it was done in China centuries ago. Students come in with bogus expectations. Students are unable to follow through with homework you give them. Students don't show up to lessons and expect Good progress. Adding insult to injury they don't even pay for services yet they carry themselves with insane entitlement. Martial arts has been for me always character development above throwing kicks and punches which is way easy to develop than integrity self-discipline honesty in practice, in this students and instructors alike sometimes fail to understand
Rob - hope you do a story one day on Michael hands - Long Island priest, martial artist (a very good one - I studied with him a bit in 99-00) and also unfortunately a pedophile. His story ends tragically. You can google him, email me for more details
@@natankhishchenko9593 wow sounds terrible. I’m gonna research
I can only find info on Michael Hands as an errant priest. nothing on his martial arts experience.
@ I met Mike in 93 at a martial arts retreat. He was an accomplished tae Kwon do guy who I think studied JKD with Dan inosanto and from that got into pencak Silat. The latter was really rare and unusual to see 30 years ago. when I moved to Long Island in the late 90s I looked him up, he was teaching on the side in the basketball gym at his church. he was a fabulous martial artist and instructor. I never saw any of the other stuff personally. I found out about it a couple years later in the news.
Now type in BBC presenter arrested
Turn it up to 11! Lol
The video is very good, I just have a few points to add: Even though I do muay thai and muay chaiya, I like kyoukushin karate, but a kyoukushin low kick battle against muay thai and kickboxing has some points to consider. This does not demonstrate a real fight, the fighters should use their footwork and not stand still, it looks like a slapping or arm wrestling contest; another thing, kyoukushin practitioners should be without kimono, I've seen them slightly move their legs to minimize the impact of the kicks. I also want to see fighters like buakaw or saenchai in a fight like this against the best kyoukushin. I don't know if you researched history in depth, but Master Oyama studied with Thais in rural villages in Thailand, because karate generally doesn't use the shin to kick but rather the feet. Although MMA may not be considered an example, karate of any style does not stand out much in MMA like Muay Thai. Another factor, in muay chaiya, as well as in military muay thai, the low kick is used with the slightly upper part of the shin and not the lower part and the leg is slightly bent and rigid from the beginning to the end of the blow, in addition to the rotation torso and mass acceleration.
Well, that man talkes quite reasonable. Doesn’t change the fact though that I saw clips of him where he put absolutely respectable martial artists in one category with no touch bullshitters. One example for u. He commented on a clip of Emin Boztepe and belittled him and his art. I don’t know EB personally nor have I ever trained WT, yet I have the perspective to see where’s value and I’m honest enough to recognise what the intention of presented material is. Like u shouldn’t watch a hubud drill and say: that’s not fighting
I’ve spoken to him a few times now and would be surprised to see him put down any legit martial artist
@inside_fighting he has definitely done that. Now that said, he needs content and half the time doesn't really know who he is talking about. He could see an isolated clip and go off that. So people should keep that in mind and not take it too personally. Even an old Emin Botzepe is still a guy i wouldn't want to throw down with (grappling or not)
No clue who that is and I have done Hu Bud and don’t think it’s nonsense. 🤷🏻♂️ I actually think wing Chun has a lot of value. Not sure where you get that statement from but feel free to show me what I said and the context 🤷🏻♂️
@@Polentacciostill waiting. If you could show me where I did that it would be appreciated. Also, I do full breakdowns of the clips I post. You have a lot to learn about what it is I do. 🤷🏻♂️
Both Aikido and Hapkido have their roots in Diato Ryu. Some of those kicks are meant to be done with shoes on. Like "Korean Jujitsu" Hapkido includes punches, kicks, locks, throws, chokes and limited groundwork. It has a rather fascinating history and qualifies as a "traditional" mixed martial art.
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A lot of training in shoes has to do with techniques that don’t work as well barefoot and aren’t really practised anymore due to be toe breakers or not seen in the ufc . The snap kick to
The groin or joints with a pair of steel caps is as effective as any big Thai roundhouse . Land generally quicker .
Stomps are way better in shoes or boots . And you get the chance to practice kicking walls , that will get your kicks really strong especially if you have the mindset that this wall is in the way of you saving your kid / dog etc as the room is on fire . Watch what happens to a locked door with this mindset .I know you maybe barefoot at home but any Arnis guy would have a range of weapons concealed in convenient places . Take care
Once again thank you for pronouncing Tae Kwon Do correctly ("Teh" Kwon Doh) unlike the guest on your show who said "Tie" Kwon Doh like 99.9% of the North American population do LOL
We got them American accents 😂
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@55:43 "Hates everything religions related to martial arts" but "respects tradition" in martial arts. Dude, does Elon, or Elen (however you spell his name) even listen to himself? You do know that the two are related right?
Any martial arts system is a product of the culture that creates them; Aikido is a product of Zen Buddhism, Kung Fu (depending on the style of it) are products of Chinese buddhism, Taoism, or confucianism, Karate is a product of Buddhism; specifically the Heart Sutra, Judo is a product of Japanese Buddhism & confucianism (which is indirectly passed on to BJJ), Muay Thai is a product of Thai Buddhism (as Muay Lao is a product of Laotian buddhism), etc.
What do you think forms the philosophy of these systems? The cultural values of the society that creates them. And what do you think forms the values of that society? The religion that the people of that societies subscribe to.
Do you somehow believe that these systems pop out of nowhere & there is no tree that they grew from?
@@clementkong8133 you seem like a fun guy to be around 😬
😂 your comment is wrong for so many reasons but I’ll let you keep thinking that. To think that all martial arts originate from some sort of religion is nonsense. 🤷🏻♂️
@@McDojoLife That’s not exactly what i said, but even if it was, clearly you, Mr. Rob Ingram, understand asian culture better than asians who grew up in it.
I mean gee, the philosophy behind karate being influenced by the Japanese/Okinawan culture that created it? What a ridiculous idea. Clearly as an alleged 3rd degree karate blackbelt such as yourself, you would know better than to entertain such silly notions 🙄
@@clementkong8133 😂 enjoy your thinking
@ i will. & u know its true.
I am not too fond of this guy's attitude, honestly. I'm a traditionalist in Chinese King Fu, and for me I really do believe in careful vetting of teachers, but then extreme loyalty and respect towards them of they agree to teach someone. Students, disciples, and authorized instructors normally have had structure and a special mentorship relationship with their masters. Vet them carefully before making a commitment, but then don't waste their time once the commitment is made - that's my stance.
In the world of traditional martial arts, it takes years to make significant progress, and only well-trained teachers could become heirs to the tradition, so if teachers spent time on dabblers, their system would die. Before it died out, it would be diluted out of effectiveness due to the partial attention students paid to their training.
It’s not casuals that dilute the art out of its effectiveness it’s the fact that that art doesn’t spar or have full contact competition that make it ineffective.
Enjoyed this and clearly good and important work. As a niggle, I do think that the Krav Maga anecdote is a bit off point, getting blistered feet from moving around in bare feet for a long time is clearly a very low risk in an actual self protection situation, of which the physical violence portion will probably last seconds. If you want 'worst case' re footwear try training in black oxfords with leather soles (or indeed stiletto heels)
I'm over 45 years old. As a child/teenager I lived in "bad area". And I NEVER.... NEVER.... NEVER see a real fight but without shoes :/
But I live in Europe, and we don't spend the most of our live on beach ;D
Hey. Just came across this guy. Heard hid name, but never saw his stuff. Looks interesting.
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