The Scandalous True Story of the Fake Millionaire on Titanic With His Mistress | Benjamin Guggenheim
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In the immediate days after the Titanic sank, there was a frenzy amongst the relatives of its passengers to get information about their loved ones - hoping that ones THEY knew beat the odds and were among the survivors. Incorrect headlines had been printed, reflecting that people who had in fact died were alive. People like John Jacob Astor and Isador and Ida Straus. There was even uncertainty about who had even boarded the ship to begin with. One of those people whose name was surrounded by uncertainty was Benjamin Guggenheim. Several newspapers wrote articles questioning whether he and his wife had booked passage on the Titanic. It turned out that Benjamin did board the Titanic. His wife did not. That might have made the trip rather uncomfortable for his mistress!
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In the immediate days after the Titanic sank, there was a frenzy amongst the relatives of its passengers to get information about their loved ones - hoping that ones THEY knew beat the odds and were among the survivors. Incorrect headlines had been printed, reflecting that people who had in fact died were alive. People like John Jacob Astor and Isador and Ida Straus (check for that headline again). There was even uncertainty about who had even boarded the ship to begin with - as can be seen in this notice that was printed in the Buffalo News on April 16, 1912 that shows that Benjamin Guggenheim’s brother was looking for him.
As we know, Benjamin didn't survive, but he helped a lot of women and children get into lifeboats. One of the women that he helped was his French mistress, Leontine Aubart. He had the nerve to buy her 4,000 pounds worth of jewels that went down with the ship. She tried to sue to recover their worth.
Now, why was that 4,000 pounds worth of jewels so important? It shouldn’t have been. At least not to a millionaire. And that’s what Benjamin Guggenheim was, right? A millionaire? That’s what all of the newspapers said. That’s how he lived his life.
Well, when his wife, Florette, and their daughters got what was left of his money, she said that she felt like a poor relation. Why is that?
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Why is it ALWAYS the mistress who gets blamed instead of the married man????!!!!
She deserved to get everything back from White Star.
because we live in a male driven sexist society 😞
Those days women didn't have much choice either.. rich powerful man likes you, no right to say no. And then somehow took all the blame..
Cuz shes part of the hoeing.
Ain’t that the truth. The husband screwing around getting his pencil wet and the woman is dubbed a home wrecker and a skank.
You got me at Guggenheimed! lol. I see there was a lot of freakery on the Titanic...
LOL! I couldn't resist making up that word. You're right. A LOT of freakery!
Right?! 😅
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@@TisHotMessHistory Guggenheim was definitely a Lothario in the SAME way President Warren Harding was! (Harding had a Teen Mistress that his Wife knew about named Nana Britton. They had a Daughter together).
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Yes me too. She gets to the true grit.
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I completely agree!
It’s always so interesting to me that they put peoples addresses in the paper when reporting on them “back in the day”
Same here! I think that is so strange, but it was the common thing to do back then.
‘She got caught getting…Guggenheimed’ 😂❤️
I gotta keep it family-friendly. LOL!
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The account of the men helping the women and children into the lifeboats, then dressing in their finest, smoking cigarettes and cigars, silently waiting to die, is more chilling than anything I've ever read before, more chilling than what was portrayed in the film.
A true horror.
Imagine what the scene would be today with the billionaire men on the sinking ship. The lifeboats would be filled with them.
I feel bad for Mrs. Guggenheim. Serial cheater husband who was also financially inept in the end.
I don't blame the French mistress for getting all she could from Cunard White Star. The company deserved to be bankrupted
Agreed 👍
For real tho
Very good channel. Very good work. Obscure history catches the eye of a great mind.
Thank you so very much! Clearly, you have a great mind.
My oh my! What dirt Rose only hinted at!! 😮 I imagine Guggenheim already had a place to stow his “souvenir” from France. He’s bound to have owned an apartment building.
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I have to wonder if this kind of thing happened today, would most of the men be so gallant- and let the women go ahead. We live in a selfish society, where chivalry is almost nonexistent.
I would have commandeered a lifeboat for the poor pets! 😢
They could have handed the dogs off into the lifeboats to keep people warm! 😢
And why weren’t people pushing every floatable piece of furniture off onto the deck? 😮
Empty trunks, mattresses, wardrobes, etc ? 😮
I think most men would insist on choosing another way…. Chivalry is dead…
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I don't get how he had prevented his philandering wife from remarrying in the future. Was it part of a settlement, so therefore it was part of the condition? I know that was a possibility because it has happened before. Did his power reach that much? Possible law permitted or something else?
Jphn Jacob Astor did the same
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Now I know, I'm getting old!😂 I needed a score card, to keep up with all the scandal & money.
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I was watching a old tcm movie and the men would purposely set up their wives to be caught with a man to get custody of the kids 🙃
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Hey about Ismay… That guy got royally screwed by history. One he never told the captain anything, there’s no proof of it except one “Karen” who testified she had heard it while eavesdropping on another table. She had no witnesses. Second he ended up in lifeboat #3 because he was having a raging ‘MELTDOWN’ while trying to get passengers into lifeboats, it was said he was literally picking people up and throwing them into the boats. He knew the ship was sinking but had no mental framework to deal with it. The crew thought it best just to get rid of him. As a man I can only imagine the type of hellish shame that goes with failing completely in the face of danger. He died a premature death in exile. I hope the same for Camron, that man had a golden opportunity to do a real story about the true hero’s on Titanic, it’s employees. The men who kept the last generator running for power, the men who kept the breakers from tripping, the men at the wireless sending signals, the men filling the last lifeboats who went down with the ship… Instead we got a rich girl getting railed below decks while slumming it in 3rd class…
I really don’t know why people haven’t called him out for that, it’s like filming a trashy love story on the USS Arizona the day of the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
As someone who worked behind the scenes for major film studios, I can tell you that Cameron's story decisions were definitely not made by him alone. The studios care about box office and money. It's nice to get creative kudos, but the executives are happy to go without them, preferring the money instead.
The sinking of the Titanic in Cameron's film was just background for the love story between
Jack and Rose. Arguably it was extraordinarily expensive background, all the more reason to get the most out of the love story for the audience to be invested in.
You'll have to spread out your rage in thinner smears. Cameron isn't worthy of receiving so much of it.
I believe Ismay is, if not the biggest, one of the biggest scapegoats in history! It is horrible to destroy his life simply because he survived when others didn't. As to Cameron's film....I loved the movie for its special effects and portrayal of the ship. I think the romance made it a quasi "chick flick" and date movie. That probably brought in more ticket sales. Most women love that garbage. I'll go on record saying I don't.
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Now how could he keep Amy from marrying again? Dang sir you divorced her rightfully so, kept your money and the kid. What more did he want from her sheesh
Tom Cruise did almost the same thing by not letting his last wife, to marry anyone for 5 years so she would not get anything from the marriage. I guess if you're rich you can do about anything
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The intro with your add libs. 😂
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Any survivor deserved to sue White Star Lines.
Everyone on that ship was the wealthiest in the world? But…lots of money still made it back to shore…great revealing research! Those people behaved back then… the same way they do today.
You're right. People haven't changed. Thank you for watching.
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Very enjoyable. Thank you.
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"International Steam Pump Company." I'm weak. 😂
You will find this happens many times when prominent society and celebrity people are publicized to be worth overinflated amounts of money and property in order to increase their swagger, prestige and gravitas in society. Then a death, a personal emergency, divorce or an economic meltdown occurs and we all find out that they are bankrupt or have modest net worth.
I always consider the overblown estimates with a critical mind, knowing human tendencies to exaggerate and huff and puff about money and assets they wish they had. Truth is the people who live modestly, frugally and go through life quietly and productively, are the ones sitting on a big stash.
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Leo time sounds like she had called a personal injury lawyer 😅
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She probably didn't care as long as she didn't have to have intimate relations with him, but, didn't appreciate it if people knew
i'd say that, if he'd purchased those items and gifted them to her, those items belonged to her. so yes, she should've been able to recoup her loss.
I agree with you.
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In these pictures Enzio looks more like he could be Madeline's son than a man only 15 years younger than her. To be fair, those 1930-era fashions didn't help her look. Low slung hats and droopy dresses. Blech.
Madeline wasn't ever a beauty, except for some brilliant blue eyes. I think the trauma of Titanic, losing a new husband, being pregnant, being the world's most famous young widow, and raising a son alone took a further toll on her. She was rich but probably suffering PTSD, along with most other survivors. At 18, I'm sure she felt much too young to remain a widow the rest of her life. She wanted to be married. It seems her picker was broken, however. Who knows what she saw in husband #2, Mr. Dick. He might have seemed safe. He was no dreamboat and the marriage just didnt survive. But there's no happy explanation for husband #3, Enzio. Everyone, perhaps even Madeline, realized the handsome prize fighter was little more than a golddigger.
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Very interesting history. One thing to keep in mind about male infidelity back in the day, especially rich men. Women died in childbirth and post childbirth much more often than now. They also had many postpartum complications, such as prolapsed uterus and bladder incontinence., that had few remedies. No antibiotics, and surgery was very primitive. Mrs, Guggenheim had a lot of kids. She may have been relieved to not have Mr. jumping on her all the time, especially after that many kids. Some of those husbands may have loved their wives and did not want to kill them in childbirth. A mistress was a good solution for both partners, as few men, especially rich men, would choose to be celibate. Childbirth was a dangerous proposition not that long ago, and even now, the U.S. is sinking in the ratings of maternal death, as we have way too many maternal deaths for a developed nation and the stats steadily get worse. Just a thought. Or two.
Honestly with the extremely mixed reviews modern women have on pregnancy, I’m astonished a woman could have that many kids at such an immature time in medical science… I’ve heard some horror stories about pregnancy and childbirth, and I cannot imagine how those situations would’ve gone without modern science to intervene
Vasectomy was (and still is ) an easy, simple, no problem procedure. Guggenheim could certainly have afforded it.
@@egm8602 Vasectomy has been around since the 1800s but was not widely accepted until after WWII. Before that, it was mainly used for enlarged prostates and eugenics. It could be a painful and scarring procedure until the 50s when the "no scalpel" method plus new local anesthetics were invented. It is a simple procedure now, but was not always, I doubt a rich guy would sign up for that procedure before the 50s.
Love your programs! I'll bet you were a History Fair finalist at some point in your education.
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She was a friend of miiiine she slept with my maaan. She lied cheated took all I haaaad
LOL! Exactly!
I can’t help but be the most sad for little 6 year old Robert Tuska. Telling her she can never marry again seems Unconstitutional and extreme. I would’ve loved to have heard her story from her perspective. How were her parents affected in their social standing? There sure seemed to be a lot of wealthy women having affairs in this time period which has been a surprise to me.
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Enjoyed the video but the repeated music in the background was most annoying. Perhaps not using such a background for future posts. Thank you
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Just gonna catch up on th gilded age stuff.. this has wet my taste buds.. ready to learn and listen
A tale as old as time 😊
So true.
It's funny how the loss of belongings made a bigger impact than the loss of sugar daddies- dayum..after seeing the outcome of everyone else on the ship- it seems the sinking was karma bound to happen
I always think of scissors when I hear guggenheimed
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That's outrageous the court actually forbade her to remarry. Things were a lot different then. Back then, a woman's status dependent on the man she married. I doubt she got much money from the divorce.
Frankly, I don't doubt Leontyne was permanently mentally and physically damaged from the disaster. Until I went through one I had no clue.
You mentioned that Mrs. Guggenheim never pursued divorce… Just curious, could women legally pursue divorce at that time?
Not only in her room but in her😂😂
Hahahaha! I had forgotten that I said that. Hi Harriet! Thanks for watching! I need to watch this one again.
@@TisHotMessHistory it's tickled me. Classy yet naughty. No lies told hahaha. X
@@harrietyounger6118 I'm trying my best to watch my language and clean up my act. LOL!
@@TisHotMessHistory I thought it was well said. It was explicit or crude just a little sassy don't change.
Wow! I wonder if that young French mistress who sued for her jewels ect got anything? (from the shipping line) I'm sure the wife probably found out!
Hi Tracy Anne! I'm with you. I think that the wife found out, but I'm sure that's nothing that she wanted to get out in the press.
He may have been pretty trash in his life, but the part of his final words where he vowed that no woman or child would die because he was a coward was beautiful. He wasn’t all bad, in the end
Also, just realized how wild Ninette’s lifespan was. She was born in the 1800s and died in 1964?! The amount of technological advancements and culture shifts she probably witnessed is insane!!!
The Titanic was a doomed ship 🚢 and it is a very sad story 😢
Why don't they go to a hotel...instead of the marriage bed?
Because their mistresses used the baby trap and got an heir in the oven ! 😅❤❤❤❤
IMO Rose & Leo didn't' "match", she reads mature & he , "adolescent". Billy Zane = sexier- Personally didn't like the casting
She took life very seriously and he helped her live out her own free adolescence during that trip. There was a purpose for their character differences in the film.
@@selecttravelvacations7472 But a man's character can be "youthful" whilst Leo looked like a 'tween. I found it disturbing TBH
@@nothingworksworks3511 All 3 Characters had their likeness plagiarized from actual RMS Titanic survivors.
@@Tornado1994 Possibly, yet the casting didn't translate IMO
Well his wife was not very attractive 😳
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THE TITANIC WAS A BOATLOAD OF KARMA!!!!
That's a perfect way to word it.
And a lot of innocent deaths too, such as children. I don’t believe it was their Karma but the irony is certainly not to be dismissed.