Frost Mage: How to do more damage in Mythic+

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  • @Warpgatez
    @Warpgatez 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was by far the best guide I’ve watched in my history of watching WoW guides. Which is a long time in my 16 years of playing WoW. Short and concise but very good at explaining Frost.

  • @bst857
    @bst857 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really like your guide and the style that you present it. I set up a weakaura to play the xylophone sound whenever my blizzard is ready, so when I hear it, I cast blizzard. Makes it so much easier without having to keep darting my eyes around to see when something is ready.

  • @showtimeap3
    @showtimeap3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I have a frost mage alt that I've been having a ton of fun on. This video clarifies the priorities for aoe really well and answered a lot of questions I had. Thanks!

  • @Jjk82486
    @Jjk82486 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude, my M+ group just asked me to go frost mage (ours dropped out) and this has been SUCH a help understanding the CDR mechanics and priority list. Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you.

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to help, Joshua! And feel free to ask in my discord for any additional help! Next up, I'm collaborating with two 2700+ IO frost mages right now on a 9.2 M+ video. Go forth and pump!

  • @frozt
    @frozt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much. I blow so hard at frost mage it's really frusterating. Just seems so overwhelming this guide has helped me.

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Now that so much has changed in 9.2, the first point of this video (use IV more) is probably the most relevant. I haven't been able to make videos lately but I still play. I'm happy to help with updated tactics on my discord. In the meantime, Okaymage has a phenomenal recent M+ guide.

    • @frozt
      @frozt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 Thank you so much for quick response. I will take a look at his video or guide.

  • @gabrielraw7979
    @gabrielraw7979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally a channel focused on Mage. Thank you!!!

  • @OhHolliwould
    @OhHolliwould 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Helping a lot of frost mages not feel lost... thank you so much for the help Val!

    • @eugenesmith9940
      @eugenesmith9940 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol how does any frost mage playing such braindead spec ever?

  • @Valaran1
    @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I've been wanting to make this video for quite some time. If you found any of these tips useful, or want to see any other topics covered, let me know in the comments and thanks for watching!

    • @CrisisCore99
      @CrisisCore99 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi dude, i'm french but ur vidéo is a great help. Even if I still wondering if it s worth on 9.2 to blizzard on 2 targets. Your weak auras are so good to see available spells, could u share it of give me a vidéo where I can find them ? Thank u So much dude.

  • @champmeister
    @champmeister 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just switched mains from shadow priest (which is a mess atm) to frost - this was very helpful and easy to understand. Thanks.

  • @frostyyogurt2465
    @frostyyogurt2465 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    dude this video was exactly what i wanted and needed !!! GREAT vid keep it up

  • @Kman1435345
    @Kman1435345 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it, started playing mage about 2 weeks ago the Freezing wind tip I think is the biggest thing I took out of it!

  • @racenuke
    @racenuke 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Started a void elf frost mage recently. I will reference this when lvl capped. Thanks!

  • @TOMAR2310
    @TOMAR2310 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best video for learning FM from deep!!

  • @jhuang916
    @jhuang916 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super helpful. Thank you!

  • @MrJontheStallion
    @MrJontheStallion 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is a really well made guide. thanks for the help!

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Jon, looking forward to making much more like this.

  • @karlavivas6032
    @karlavivas6032 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the guide I'm a new player and I really appreciate this video 💜

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to help! The build used in this video is still relevant in 9.2.5, until you reach roughly +18 keystones. Despite all you might hear about Necrolord builds.

  • @radakant156
    @radakant156 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    really great tipps, especially #1 which was my big mistake

  • @70runr
    @70runr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, thanks!

  • @xXanderx87
    @xXanderx87 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its worth mentioning, that bone Chilling might be the play in 9.2 (because it buffs comet storm from the 2pc I believe) Which means you can run with pet. Your PET NOVA acts just like your nova, and you can shatter it from range safely for a little more extension and CDR with orb while IV is up.

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great point. I plan on including that in my full 9.2 M+ theorycrafting video, which is probably the next thing I'll work on. Unfortunately with all these build variants (Cold Front, Slick Ice, DC etc.) it's starting to look like a much bigger project!

    • @xXanderx87
      @xXanderx87 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 That will be fun to watch. I kind of want to test Necro Mage with Slick ice. And I can definitely see Necro Cold front being a thing for HoA And DoS because of the ability to do Giant giant pulls. Ive been testing NF DC in hoa and dos recently seems good too. We definitely have a lot of options down depending on comp and planned pulls.

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xXanderx87 I've done a fair bit of sims and PTR testing on the Slick Ice build and definitely plan on putting my full breakdown in the next video.

  • @boneappleteaparty8983
    @boneappleteaparty8983 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this, great tips

  • @tomasrytir9211
    @tomasrytir9211 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is still working even on newest expansion. Blizzard is priority basic thing on frost mage dmg

  • @tjhernandez779
    @tjhernandez779 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    really solid guide

  • @cassielaynemakeup473
    @cassielaynemakeup473 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!!

  • @Vondarkstar
    @Vondarkstar 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Might reach more viewers if you make title more general. Not many mythic raiders out there right now and this info is good for all players. 👍🏻 🙏🏻

  • @spookymacchiato5503
    @spookymacchiato5503 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn't know about the Nova+ Forb.. holy hell.

  • @brandon9689
    @brandon9689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    252 conduits (mainly icy propulsion) have felt more impactful on this spec than any other spec in the game. I've also seen way too many new frost mages padding with glacial fragments, throwing away half of what makes this spec meta right now.

  • @grahamvandyke
    @grahamvandyke 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thumbs up from el Prophet

  • @pumba6099
    @pumba6099 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video bro. Is it possible to talk secondary stats for mythic plus and more so in regards to the necrolord frost build currently being used in m+

  • @m.h.1443
    @m.h.1443 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video i return to mage after starting SL as a WL but what should i say... so its good to get a refresher on how to play the spec with the conduits and stuff. Thanks !

  • @mamali2
    @mamali2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    watching this im able to keep basically keep my icy veins ready to go but idk how you're getting orb ready so fast

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This footage was actually recorded in 9.1.5 before the blizzard nerf. It's not possible to get orb back this quickly anymore without Urh. All the advice in the video is still valid, although I'm working on more 9.2-updated stuff.

    • @mamali2
      @mamali2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 first, thank you for the speedy reply! Second, ok because I was watching and trying it and I had no idea what I was doing wrong. I was able to maintain about 14-16.5k over 3 minutes (no tier, 265 FW, 291 unity, venthyr)

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mamali2 without tier that's really good imo :)

  • @leighburns156
    @leighburns156 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    live it ty

  • @equaleffect
    @equaleffect 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any major highlights to add to this video with 9.2 out and the change of blizzard from .5 to .25 and the 12% dmg reduction on blizzard and frozen orb?

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Really the only update is, your damage is going to suck until you get 2pc and beyond. The nerf was almost certainly done to offset the huge gain of tier sets in M+; now that I have 2pc on live I'm doing 13-14k overall per dungeon again with the exact build I used in this video. It's a little harder to get your FO back, but at this point most groups are exclusively killing Urh which helps a lot with that.

  • @DannFBS
    @DannFBS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the addon's name that shows the nest spell's icon? Great video, btw! Thanks!

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      GCDHistory. It just shows what I'm casting, so viewers can follow along with my rotation.

  • @ccsstorm
    @ccsstorm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With freezing rain , do you throw FO and then blizzard ? or blizzard before orb ? I noticed i can get 3 instant casts when Icy veins up , if i threw in orb after blizzard i only get 2 instant casts.

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup, always blizzard after FO if you can. If FO is coming off cooldown soon (next ~4 sec), I'd wait to blizzard.

  • @woodyshooter
    @woodyshooter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm very new to Frost mage. I see you are using FoF procs > Flurry procs, but are we not supposed to hardcast a Frostbolt before every flurry? So FoF> Frostbolt > Flurry?

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not really necessary in aoe. It's moreso for single target.

  • @CelticCrow
    @CelticCrow 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice Video. But what about arcane Explosion? Yes you got it in the prio list at 6+ Targets, but I have Trouble to weave them in correctly between all the procs from Fingers, refresh Blizzard and Frost Nova's.

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly this may be an unpopular opinion, but I feel that if you have trouble weaving in Arcane Explosion, just don't do it. Weave in a frostbolt or something instead unless you feel very confident with the AE. Work on it until you do feel comfortable, but it's not a game changer.

  • @iMemoacebo
    @iMemoacebo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how would you incorporate the covenant ability in AOE? for any covenant ability. how do you use shifting power or mirrors in trash pulls or just AOE in general?

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mirrors - don't use in AOE at all. Only on small pulls. Shifting Power - use when all of your cooldowns are on cooldown. Deathborne - try to coordinate it on large pulls.

    • @iMemoacebo
      @iMemoacebo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 thanks!

  • @audiocattt
    @audiocattt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let me start by saying, I LOVE this guide and it has drastically improved my performance.
    But why do you move out of your RoP so often!? LMAO

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't. ROP's effective radius is much larger than the graphic on the ground. Below my player frame is a weakaura that grays out if I moved out of ROP's effective radius.

  • @Luna-ii4mx
    @Luna-ii4mx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this still the same in current patch? :o

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The build used in this video is still viable in the current patch, yes. It's better at lower keys (+15 and below ish) though.

  • @trap0viejo
    @trap0viejo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    should I recast a new Icy Veins when the old Icy Veins is still active?

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With freezing winds legendary, yes you do. It's not really relevant to this video, but with slick ice legendary you don't recast IV until the first one falls off.

  • @tnance29
    @tnance29 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a video or resource where you list or talk about what addons you use? Would be interested to see what you're runnin

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The only things I have at the moment is my TellMeWhen export string, hosted on my Google Docs. That's what tracks all my cooldowns. I'm happy to share it on my Discord anytime! I also have a written 9.1 guide, pinned in the #announcements channel, which lists some of my recommended Weakauras.

    • @tnance29
      @tnance29 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 Cool thanks! I also meant like all your UI stuff too, not so much performance related I just love the layout of your UI too

  • @wyflip
    @wyflip 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am a frost mage that has completed one +20 so far this season and for sure the Blizzard uptime is my biggest weakness and why I am not doing good enough dps, super clean guide.
    BTW, what do you do to manage mana with arcane explosion to not be OOM for later packs? I get enough CDR on Icy Veins while using Arcane Explosion but tend to overuse it and not have Icy Veins up later on in the key due to being OOM on the packs that I need Explosion CDR on.

    • @thanhiclez
      @thanhiclez 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      From what I've read from other frost mages, only Arc Ex if mana is over 30%. Basically don't go OOM.

  • @Frosty616.
    @Frosty616. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome! But a 2nd question. How do you improve on survivability in M+ and open world? I find myself dying a lot

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Basically be generous with using Ice Barrier, and Mirror Images. MI is one of the best personal cooldowns in the game IMHO. But most important is having Ice Barrier, Mirror Image, Ice Block, Healthstone, Health pots, and Alter Time all bound to easily accessible hotkeys. If you get used to those hotkeys you should be able to hit any of those abilities almost instantly when you get in trouble.

    • @Frosty616.
      @Frosty616. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 this always seem to be on CD at the WORST time 😂

  • @RWds24
    @RWds24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So now they got nurfed into the ground we playing fire or arcane

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm preparing to play arcane if none of these changes get walked back. They're very similar damage profiles, but admittedly fire is a little more "error-proof" on prog with Pod and Cauterize. I just like arcane better, and GInvis and Prismatic Barrier are both amazing.

    • @RWds24
      @RWds24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 kiryan arcane or venth arcane I’ve played both

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RWds24 I prefer Kyrian Arcane myself.

  • @endlessstudent3512
    @endlessstudent3512 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am playing Necrolord, after 9.2 most mages do. But I am not doing enough damage with it. How does the necro-ability deathborne into the rotation? I feel it destroys any priority cd list, as you are supposed to cast ice lance as much as you can. But I feel this just costs time and the damage increase is lost due to the long casting time. What am I doing wrong? How to get max dps as necro-frost-mage? Do you have any ideas?

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately it's not a simple answer. What level of keys are you running? Which necro build? Are you pugging or do you have a dedicated group? It's easier to talk via discord if you want to pm me or hop in my server.

    • @endlessstudent3512
      @endlessstudent3512 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 That is very nice of you, I do not want to stress your time. I play actually exact the build that you recommend. Necro- Slick Ice, Marileth. I have 32% crit and 22% haste. I have split ice, not comet storm. I think my problem is the ue of my procs. especially in m+. Everytime I cast rune of power for example...I have to move due to some ground-effect etc. And the glacial spike often fails the target, bec it seems every boss these days needs to be kited. Is there a trick to get back to a good rotation fast if you got thrown off?

  • @zane3917
    @zane3917 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    what is that druid bear form and why is it glowing

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's the felbear appearance from Legion Timewalking Mage Tower

  • @Jman1ify
    @Jman1ify 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dumb question - how do you get a free rune of power from IV?

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They reworked the Rune of Power talent in shadowlands. It does that automatically now if you're talented into ROP.

    • @Jman1ify
      @Jman1ify 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 I had no idea of the rework! No more incanters flow for me

  • @willsohrnberger2441
    @willsohrnberger2441 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How the hell do you get icy veins back SO FAST. ??

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's partly because splitting ice applies 2x icy propulsion every time it hits 2 targets. But a bigger part of it is frozen orb - frozen orb ticks very fast, and its crits also give IP. This is why my message in the video is basically use all your cooldowns on cooldown.

    • @willsohrnberger2441
      @willsohrnberger2441 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 Sweet. I kind of figured it out on target dummies but with 5 its hard to keep Icy propulsion refreshing icy veins. I guess with bigger than 5 and i'm sure you have better than a 213 conduit. I bet hat 265 or 278ilvl conduit is a big gain even though its only .2 or .3 seconds
      What M+ Plaugefall level should I farm for the best icy prop conduit ilvl?

  • @brylee__tv
    @brylee__tv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just want you to know at 4:40 and 6:04 I saw that ;)

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol, I don't normally use it at all, so I don't keybind it. I just wanted to use it a few times for this video. That's why I explain it's a good trick for beginners as you're getting used to this, but once you have the hang of it you won't even need frost nova.

  • @Y4WN
    @Y4WN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Getting to know how to use Icy Veins is probably one of the worst things ever
    There's like learning how to walk, how to read, how to talk
    And here's how to learn how to use Icy Veins, rework mage for the love of God

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I lol'd so hard at this. And completely agree. I've always loved frost mage but if ever there was an expansion I should've played demo lock, this was it.

  • @zepplo9309
    @zepplo9309 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which legendary?

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Freezing Winds is king right now in 9.1. In 9.2 it will still be very good, but two other legendaries (Slick Ice, and Cold Front) may become viable if you play Necrolord. I'll be covering all of that in my next video!

    • @zepplo9309
      @zepplo9309 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 what do you think about glacial fragments leggo? I keep reading it’s amazing, besides in single target

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zepplo9309 Glacial Fragments legendary is not even worth crafting at all. It was strong in 9.0.2 because we had no other options, and that was a long time ago. Everything it "does well," Freezing Rain build with Freezing Winds legendary does it better. I'm genuinely curious where you're reading that it's amazing.

    • @zepplo9309
      @zepplo9309 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Valaran1 sorry, I’m just trying to understand frost mage. I’m still a noob. But it’s on wow head, it does state it’s useless in single target, and only better with bigger pulls. I currently use the one you have. Was just wondering if fragments was worth it.

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@zepplo9309 There's a lot of stuff in the Wowhead frost guide I disagree with, but I'm not here to put down other creators. I just encourage players to read multiple sources; I'm not perfect, either.
      Technically "it's useless in ST and only better with bigger pulls" is not inaccurate, but taken out of context I can see people thinking it's GOOD in big pulls compared to the other options, and that's not really true.
      It could've been said better.

  • @mars313
    @mars313 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I noticed on your single target rotation, you're not prioritizing your frostbolt into flurry (brain freeze proc) rotation. You want to be sure you're always casting frostbolt before using flurry (brain freeze proc) as your brain freeze proc will always do more dps than a fingers of frost proc, as well as this gives you a chance to cause another brain freeze proc and it'll shatter your frostbolt, too. I think it would also benefit you to keybind your frost nova, as you only have a very short window and having to look for and click can cause a lot of downtime especially as frost mage has a lot of proc-munching problems this expansion (even more so with the freezing winds legendary).

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I almost always shatter my frostbolts. Only skip it in AOE, when moving, and if I'm squeezing it into the end of a ROP. And yeah I know I should bind Fnova, but I normally don't use it at all (you can see in the second half, I easily get enough CDR that I don't need it) but I used it several times in this dungeon for the purposes of highlighting it in the video.

  • @kikoredog
    @kikoredog 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    just for updates sake, blizzard is 3+ targets now.

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's your source on this? I've done most of the sims for 9.2 frost, and it was still 2+. The current default APL written by Altered Time is still 2+.

  • @eugenesmith9940
    @eugenesmith9940 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well...
    1. Covenant choice really makes sense in m+.
    2. Shattering the orb doesn't provide with huge or "big" IV cdr effect. It's more like to prevent mobs from moving away out of the orb range.
    3. Arcane Explosion does it (IV cdr on relevant amount of targets) better.

  • @davidstukalov1498
    @davidstukalov1498 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kinda late 😅 next patch is so close

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I made this before the blizzard/frozen orb nerfs were announced; most of this was going to still be valid in 9.2. Still is, really.

  • @christmasham4312
    @christmasham4312 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    To bad 9.2 frost is unplayable now :(

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In case you haven't seen it yet, they already reneged on the IP internal cooldown.

  • @melliz6022
    @melliz6022 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is about the wrong frost spec, frost dk 4 lyfe

  • @Insertor
    @Insertor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Woe man nothing of what you said was new to me.. What a waste

  • @petcharapornkitphotiyarn8291
    @petcharapornkitphotiyarn8291 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can u re(link) discord pls

    • @Valaran1
      @Valaran1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      discord.gg/eJ6CvuUChH

  • @hoodfamousxz6084
    @hoodfamousxz6084 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    howw to do more damage - just use more spells 4head