It is so strange looking back 10 years to see what a college campus looked like. The attitude and focus of these students is so different from students today.
This conversation first guy is actually my favorite one I’ve seen. Not only is he honest, but you can tell he is listening and trying to find the truth. This is an awesome way of finding the answers to life!
As good at this as Cliff is, I think he would be even better if he used the OT prophecies of Jesus and included that as evidence in these contexts. There are over 300 of them and some of them are just spectacularly specific and detailed and really hard to dismiss.
Why follow a 2000 year old book? Suppose it were written this morning, by a team of the wisest people on earth, and contained no teaching dependent on a particular time, culture or technology for its truth. It spoke for itself as superlative wisdom and revealed divine truth. Would you follow it? How about tomorrow? Next week? Next year? How many years would it take before timeless truth and wisdom were no longer timely? Timeless truth is, by definition, timeless.
The bible is a book of claims, not a book of truth, from god created to god died and rose again is all unevidenced BS, there has never been and never will be one that can prove or disprove that such claimed entities of gods exist, gods by all known evidence are the creations of men, that's ALL GOD's. That a human being any human being , call him jesus, or what you will no human being after being killed can return to life, creation , resurrection as stated in the bible, made up of many stories, most written by no one knows whom,and that includes the supposed gospel testemants, are claims without any sourced,verified, corroborated by any known to have existed persons by that same criteria, of factual historical evidence of anything but man made fairy stories, a book cannot prove itself when without known authors, and the bible has none that ever actually evidenced any god and that includes the supposed Jesus. The only ones that believe such BS are the indoctrinated from birth and groomed throughout their formative years, the ultra gullible, the absolute desperate that cannot cope with the realities of actual life, Christians are no different from one addicted to smoking, drugs, alcohol, they are in the capture of the mind benders,
👏🏼well put, when will people understand that God shows us time means nothing to him. It takes us 542 million “light years”(a speed in which humans cannot travel at)to get to Jupiter when will we understand that time means absolutely nothing. Like you said what is the difference if it was written 2,000 years ago or today.
@@daytradersdigest4729 jupiter is much less than one light year away (approx 384399999 miles). the shortest time it has taken for a spacecraft to reach jupiter is 18 months (longest is around 6 years)
@@arnoldnutter8474 I’m sorry you’re absolutely right I meant to say miles not years. Anyhow our galaxy is so big and far that humans will never be able to explore it physically. Meaning leaving earth to consider visiting any other planet to have us live there is absolutely impossible.
Miracle: I was about to go off a cliff on the highway cause my brakes completely went out. My car miraculously stopped right before my inevitable demise. Praise God for modern miracles.
@@victoriacampbell7651 What's your proof God saved you when he kills millions of others? Maybe friction saved you. Friction can be proven. You won't sound like an idiot of you go with that.
@@csabo1725 Had you been with me in the car, you would have known that it was not friction that stopped that car. My brakes stopped working while we were speeding down an incline. The car stopped miraculously feet before a huge cliff. I can not explain why he chose to keep me from dying and not others. I will die someday, like everyone else. I genuinely pray that you are ready to meet the Almighty God who saved me that day.
@@victoriacampbell7651 GOD must be having some great reasons to save you... Still some intelligent scientists will call it friction without knowing what exactly happened with you... They just want to deny GOD in every case
It's beautiful to look back at how ideas & thoughts were exchanged on college campuses. This took place in 2010. Sad that our youth today won't get to ever see this happen again peacefully.
@@neneodonkor The video was posted in 2010, I believe. The students in this video are respectful and engaging in the exchange of thoughts & ideas. Whereas most secular campuses today...not so much. Today, it seems many students are disrespectful of life, people and thoughts/ideas. So yeah, 12 years ago...compared to now...does seem like a "throwback"....unfortunately.
The first kid is honest and genuine. You notice it when he replies that he is afraid that he might be a cynic. I pray that he reads the gospels or maybe has read it and believed, then I pray for spiritual growth. God Bless us all.
@@chrlpolk I've been typing 4 different replies to you and I can't seem to figure out what to say. So here I guess. 'If it's scripted would it have mattered for you?'
@Jhan Joshue P. Arrojado You’re praying for spiritual growth - making a character judgement based on what you perceive is happening here. I am doing the same. Yes, it matters to both you and I whether this is scripted; you, instilling a concern over a person’s spiritual growth, and me, an amusement over this man who perpetrated this Plato-like play in order to boost his ego via staged “Aha!” moments.
Great Cliff.. It continues to amaze me the way you have been on the campuses all these years.. May God s power and grace be with you and your generations.. God has given you a clarity of mind with sharpness ..Jerry Dubai
That scream at 25:40 scared the shit outta me.....I was listening to this in the shower and literally ran out half naked because I thought one of my family members was being hurt.
Where is this school? I must commend the good manners of the audience. Refreshing to see a crowd gathered to discuss a topic without screaming and yelling. You can actually pay attention to the content. Well done really appreciate the respect!
I really enjoyed the genuine demeanor, intellectual honesty and consistency of the first guy. The goal of apologetics is not to convert you on the spot using fancy words, it's to get you to give a genuine look by appealing to your mind, God does the rest. All you have to do is give it a genuine look, God Himself will show you. But He actively hides the truth from those who are not genuine, which is why they live all their lives questioning but never getting answers and end up being frustrated hyper skeptics. 'The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.' The second guy however, seemed to be in atheist kindergatten. Where the narrativeis everyone who is religious is just an idiot who can't think for themselves. Where they have never really met an apologist . The last guy, was a treat for the mind. We had very similar objections before i came to Christ.
Your soul will live for eternity in heaven or in hell. Where would you like to be? Seek a loving Jesus for your salvation today, he is coming soon to a willing heart in any condition.
@@rob-890 So you reply with a snark and nonsense rather than admit what we both already know? Well, if that's your a-game then... whatever! (Proverbs 14:7)
I understand what you're saying. But " feeling" has nothing to do with the truth of God. If it was like a drug, everyone would be addicted to it. But the truth is that the LOVE mentioned in the bible is sacrificial. If faith was measured in feeling I would not have much faith.
Really? Why to believe Jesus did miracles - we should believe testimonies. Why not believe in Mohammed splitting the Moon? There were testimonies about that, too. Many gurus in India, allegedly, perform miracles even today.
These are mostly old videos because we haven't been able to make new videos on campus because of COVID. This one video is from Nov 2010, eleven years ago. But if you want to see all posted videos, just go to the "askcliffe" channel. 😎
Because the same word applies to yesterday, today, and forever more..Its the greatest and most important History book of all time and yet its the greatest present day and future literature ever published and will ever exist! Things have come to past and many still have yet to come..but all was written 2000 yrs ago in that BOOK!
I loved the analogy of mapping the globe onto a sheet of paper and losing details. The Bible in English has lost details and I quite often reference back to the Hebrew to understand the original meaning.
Well said @ 22:00 to 24:10 minutes. Watch the whole thing though. Such a rational discussion of the Bible, God, Christ Jesus' Miracles versus religion. Another good point made from 24:11 to 28:16 minutes.
The bible is older than 2000 years old. They finished writing the old testament 2000 years ago. But Job could be up to 5000 years old. And even then what is written could be older in oratory form. Bout to watch this, but i hope that point is introdiced.
@@childofthelivinggod. Its pretty common knowledge within theologans to be honest. The old testament is written before Christ in the Israeli bronze and iron age. Many by the hand of Moses who lived about 1200 years BC. The new testament written mostly by Luke and Paul within 60 years of Jesus. Job is argued to possibly be the oldest biblical cannon but much of the exact timing is up for debate. Some think maybe it was written by Abraham. This is all why the dead sea scrolls were such a big deal. Biblical scripture dating back to the capturing by the babylonians. Proving the words had been preserved and illustrating prophetic verses that at the time had yet come to pass. People asked for a source material that dated before the events of proclaimed prophecy. Its pretty interesting. Keep searching.
@@childofthelivinggod. If you really want things to make literal sense, brush up on bronze age and iron age symbolism. Knowing how the people of that era lived and viewed the world can truly help with the imagery they are trying to portrait through words in The Bible. This is important for much of the OT because its the life they lived, and much of the idioms are tough to compare to how the words are used in a modern sense. If youve ever learned a second language, you might know how it feels to have a word not carry the same weight or context into a different cultures use of that same word. Just a thought God Bless.
@@richardwhite6062 yeah, I understand. That reminds me kind of how people are constantly debating about slavery in the Bible and whether or not God actually advocates for it; but often times people don't realize they're discussing two different kinds of slavery. I know what you mean. Thanks a lot! Great stuff to chew on. God bless you and those you love.
Grace and Peace to you. I think the first student in the video seems to be open to the truth. I hope he finds it. He's asking good, sincere questions. Looks like his mind isn't totally committed to heathenism.
The other equally important task to determine whether Jesus really lived, died, was resurrected, and was in fact the living embodiment of God Himself is to ask Jesus Himself if he can show you the Truth of these matters and direct you by way of the Holy Spirit, this wonderful counsellor He told us he would leave with us to minister to us in all the ways of God and His intent for us. It is by giving our lives to Jesus, accepting Him as our Lord and Saviour, and asking the Holy Spirit to minister to us that we get the understanding we need which 'surpasses all understanding' by which we used to 'know' in the secular way. The darkness can't understand the light. This isn't a put down to people who don't know God, but it means that the understanding of the Truth (Jesus) can't be known by the darkness (those who don't know Him, and refuse to seek). Ask, and it will be given. Knock, and He will answer you. You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free).
Because we are weak. Fear death. Want feel special and loved. Cliff...you are lovely man. There are no witness. You belittle yourself and you don't need to be the good man that you are and still believe in the absurd
No wonder Jesus asks us to just believe as a child would, in simple innocence and trust. The more learned one is the more confused they are of the simple truth of the Bible.
The young man doesn't want to believe because he doesn't want to change his behavior. Jesus challenges us to change our behavior which goes against the grain of our own nature which is evil. Thankfully, the Holy Spirit helps us evil people behave relatively properly, As far as a sinner/christian can (Simul iustus et peccator). And we can't forget of the blood of Christ which washes us clean, justified, sanctified and one day glorified! Can I get an Amen!!!
The last guy using 2D and 3D to explain God being more informationally rich since he is beyond 3 dimensions explains God really well. Of course no book will contain everything about God, but He reveals parts or Himself to us by His choice and His timing. Also, I still think God is even greater than a 4-dimensional being. If you can find videos explaining what a 4-dimensional being can do in our 3-D reality, you'll get a glimpse on how God can do anything. All Powerful 🙏
I thank the Lord for men that are so patient. Dealing with such ignorance/arrogance is very difficult for me and I pray often for an increase in this so that I could be of better use to Him.
I quite agree, I felt those students were very restrained. If I was there I would have walked and put the f wit on his back, the man is arrogance personified.
Thank you, Cliff! I also believe being a follower of Christ Jesus has nothing to do with being a Republican nor Democrat! It would be great if more Christian leaders would make this clear! God bless you!
Amen Preachhh Brother. Why should you follow Christ and His word the Bible? Ask God, if you exist show me who you are? When God show’s you believe Him. John 8:12 “Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” John 14:6 “Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Using Bible verses to convince others that God/Jesus is real is just as useful as using characters names from their own books to claim they're real, like Harry Potter, or better yet Pinocchio, cuz he said he's a real boy in his book. Your heart is in a good place, but that is not a valid reason to others, let alone people who believe the Bible is just made up and miss translated throughout the years and thus unreliable, to them. So no, reading verses to them does absolutely nothing. Which is why you got to give them some sort of historical proof outside of the Bible
@@jessebryant9233 I agree with Cliff on all he has said so far. But unless someone's willing to listen via the Bible cuz they were partly raised in a church family, using verses to declare Jesus and God is real, is like saying reading Harry Potter makes him as real and valid as Jesus and God. So when the Bible uses the "boring parts" naming kings, and their sons, and government heads, ect and talking about how there's scriptures preserved and everything else and prove it. Cuz everything they believe is from out side of the Bible. The whole "it doesn't mean gay in the Bible its a miss translation and means child, shall not lay with child" and they believe the it has been miss translated to suit the "Christian liking" so having historical proof, cuz they're never talked about, using the Bible will do absolutely nothing to those individuals if used first.
@@xXTMoneyXx So, what would you present? People's philosophical bais against the ONLY source that provides a rational basis for objective moral values and duties or the intrinsic worth of human life ("human rights") - a book that is rooted in history and is the most extant supported collection of ancient historical manuscripts known to man that is backed by historical, archeological, prophetic, and scientific evidence, well, if they won't accept that kind of source, what will they accept? So no, I vehemently disagree that it's like appealing to Harry Potter. That just isn't the case. As for mistranslated, well, they would have to argue for that...
@@jessebryant9233 I hate trying to explain everything over text/comments. Go to a college campus and try talking/preaching/debating college students you'll see the MSM talking points about religion, Christianity, and the Bible which is taken way out of context and not challenged or listened to Christian faithed people. As cliff brings up, he is a pastor, people don't question him cuz of that and he says it with gusto. While others who just tout scriptures, that say God is real to someone who is wanting proof is like the Harry Potter example, cuz they want SCIENTIFIC evidence or like, burn marks from the fire, the salt pillars of sadom and gamora. As I said, I hate trying to get the point over text cuz you have to condense things.
5th test: James 1:5. If any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God. Pray about it..... If you lack wisdom, ask God and trust in him to answer you. If you want to know if something is true, ask god. But be prepared in your heart to accept the answer and live according to the answer which you were given.
I assume these lately posted videos are all older ones! I remember finding this channel back in 2009 when the "atheism hype" was strong on the internet. Interesting discussions. Thanks.
It's bizarre to see how strong the pattern of misconception and lies is among students, how many have continously claimed that the Bible says "slavery is fine". Anyone who reads the book for themselves knows that isn't the truth.
23:37 His comment about not following American Christianity provoked smiles and laughter amongst the crowd. I cannot tell if they agree or disagree. Personally I'm leaning towards that they agree.
@@NewCreationInChrist896 give me your address I will send you a copy of the Quran so it can get drilled into your mind since the other type of drilling ain't doing you any good
As an ex-atheist (now Christian) I really liked the first guy, he was genuine, honest and very open minded. You could talk with him about the evidence for Christianity for at least a day. I really hope he finds out the overwhelming evidence there is for Christianity, like I did, and live for God. And the second guy was just like other atheists, no difference. Anyways, God bless you all!
@@ChrisTheKing172 For me personally how Jesus was a great teacher , and lived out his teachings, other documents like Joseph wrote about Jesus and a bunch of other historical people there was one document that said Jesus was a sorcerer and performed weird things which is interesting and how thev resurrection there’s some many flaws in others reasons why the resurrection didn’t happen and it seems like if there is a God it’s possible for the resurrection because the biggest miracles is the creation of the earth and if that’s possible raising someone from the dead is possible
@@ChrisTheKing172 why do you think I’m american ? And I became a follower last year I’m 20 rn and there’s flaws with the stealing body argument because it doesn’t explain why Paul went from killing Christians to become one because he wrote that he encountered Jesus the Bible is 44 books not just one big book and there are other sources outside the Bible that said Jesus was a sorcerer doesnt that have you question Jesus ? I guess it depends do you believe in a God cause if you believe in God then miracles are possible if you don’t then miracles aren’t possible and why did all the disciples who claimed to physically see Jesus were willing to get skinned alive , hanged,stoned,beheaded ? All for a lie
Good see you brother cliff 🙏❤️❤️❤️💯Godbless the TRUTH will set us free Amen It is written John 14 :6.. Educate dem brother xx HOLY SPIRIT is with you ❤️
@@larrylewis6725Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Cliff has words from an ancient book and literally nothing more. That does not qualify in the modern world.
Just a couple of thoughts while listening... 23:00 - Why should one think any belief/worldview/religion is the "best"? Do atheists think that their position of what they like to claim is the "lack of belief" is the "best"? ... 24:30 - When we say that God is "all powerful", we mean that God can do anything that power can do. 25:30 - Following ONE text or doctrine? But isn't true exclusive? Multiple sources that contradict may ALL be wrong, but they cannot ALL be right.
1. Because most religions INSISTS that it is not only the best, but the only TRUE religion. (Christianity) 2. All powerful quite literally means ''having complete power" also knows as omnipotence, you don't get to chose what it means change the way how you describe god 3. The kid is describing himself as someone who does not want to limit their thought process on one simple religion and that he is rather open to all, he might find non of them convincing but he thinks that limiting yourself to one religion is not a good way to find true religion.
@@dillonferreira3529 1. And atheists don't think there 'religion' is the best or that atheism/naturalism is actually true? Can there be more than one truth? 2. So you believe that being all powerful means that one can do even what power can't do? 3. That doesn't address the simple fact that truth by definition is exclusive. Who is saying that you can't shop around? I know the Bible doesn't ask that folks simply accept it rather than actually seek for truth. _What do you believe is true and why, regarding those fundamental questions of human existence?_ For example: origins, meaning, morality, destiny. _Your thoughts?_
@@jessebryant9233 1. Atheism is not a religion, and no for it to be 100% true, atheists will have to prove with 100% certainty that God does not exist, instead they insist that there is a 99% chance its true because we don't believe in sorcery and religion doesn't match our world in the slightest, no there can't be more than one truth in this regard, Christianity says that you cannot worship other religions, Islam says you cannot either, and atheism, you don't believe in any so unfortunately you have to choose one, or don't I don't care. 2. That is literally what it means yes and most Christians claim that's what their God is able to have. 3. Unfortunately the Christian God hates it when you "shop around", he is a jealous God and tells you in the bible that he is the only true God and that you should have faith in him, shopping around for the truth means you have doubt for what the truth is. This is forbidden in religion
@@dillonferreira3529 1. Atheism qualities as a religion according to the dictionary... And how did you or anyone else arrive at the 99% figure? Given known laws of physics and empirical observation, there is a 0% change of naturalism being true. So why are YOU a believer? And no, Christianity doesn't say that unbelievers can't worship whatever they want... 2. You are literally wrong. 3. The Bible teaches no such thing. And if the God of the Bible is in fact THE GOD, then he has a right to be jealous and to tell you to refrain from worshiping any other - because doing so would be to worship a false God. As for doubt, Jesus dealt with that - and again, the facts of the Bible don't gel with your erroneous perceptions. _Does it concern you at all that you've been misinformed?_ If what you currently believe is false - how badly do you want to correct your misplaced faith?
Mark Twain on religion; "Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight."
I like this one; “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” Steven Weinberg. I'm sure you'd agree.
He was certainly able to attract a crowd. See how interested all these young people were in actually listening without reacting. Imagine this today? Screamed out by the perpetually offended.
I think a more appropriate question would be "Why do Christians worship Jesus when he was not God, Worship ONLY God." Jesus was not a carpenter, that word didnt even exist in his time, tell me he made tables all you want, that would make him a wood craftsman, not a carpenter, we carpenters build structures. Jesus and his father Joseph were described as Tektons, which is a Greek word for builder, in a time, place and culture when all structures were built from stone. He was a stone mason. Why was Greek word used to describe Jesus and Joesph is also a better question but the answer is simple, he was Greek.
@godof79 well it shows you’re the ignorant one by calling a woman that said nothing to you but expressed her feelings harmlessly “stupid”. You’re a devil worshipper just like Christ said you will know a tree by his fruits.
@godof79 the scriptures said a thousand years before you were born that people like you would rise saying where is Jesus’ coming? Well when Jesus returns you would wish he did not come. That’s why he’s not hear yet he doesn’t want to kill fools like you.
@@billyhart2593 Even if we didn’t have any documents surely the scriptures in the Bible come from somewhere. And that somewhere is God. Only God defines what is true and what is not.
When that plane landed on the ocean in NY years ago with NO fatalities, that was a miracle, not pilot skill. I was healed of an incurable diease, I know that is a miracle, etc,etc,etc. God performs miracles all the time. He keeps us from dangers seen and unseen. If we Knew all the dangers God kept us from we would be paralyzed with fear. God keep on keeping me. In Jesus Name, Amen
"When that plane landed on the ocean in NY years ago with NO fatalities, that was a miracle, not pilot skill." To look at it from the other side, when the planes crashed into the ocean and kill all those on board God was saying "Screw You!!" " I was healed of an incurable diease, I know that is a miracle, etc,etc,etc" Well if you were cured then clearly it wasn't an incurable disease. But I would love to hear about what disease that would be because there will be write ups in medical journals in that regards. Now that I asked if you dodge then we can claim you are lying. I will present the other side of that to show, my sons 12 year old classmate died of cancer, according to you God said "Screw You!!" to a 12 year old. God performs miracles all the time. God keeps us paralyzed with fear." If that is true then God is screwing with free will and free choice.
@@godislove363 " if wrong sorry, but you definitely have anger, " In text to convey anger a person would use all caps as it is a sign of shouting, as you can see clearly no caps in my comment so get your eyes checked as you are clearly having issues.
Yeah. He does. In the words in Scripture, "but the man tried to justify himself...." Cliffe doesn't usually ask this (though I hear other apologists ask it), one question that should be put to that student would have been "ethical according to whom?" Who defines your ethics? What is its source? It can only come form one of 3 possible sources: the individual (yourself), society or a elite group within a society, or a God. After helping Cliffe at UT for over 20 years, one thing that keeps recurring over and over and over again is the similarity in the dialogue and eerily, the similar way people 2000 years ago thought compared to today. 8-/
What if he based his ethics on all the world religions, and then, on at basis, thinks he is ethical? Maybe he uses a combination of religion, societal agreement, and gut feeling. Can pagans or atheists not be ethical? There is a Sumerian Code that has commandments against murder, robbery, etc. it’s older than the Ten Commandments. Perhaps this could be the basis of ethics or morals?
@@joecheffo5942 It sounds like you are searching for something other than God and have no consequences to your own actions that go against a Holy God. Repent and ask Christ to forgive you of your sins and follow Jesus.
@joecheffo5942 Morality and laws are two different things. An atheist is incapable of having moral absolutes. If you are religious then you have a degree of certainty that skepticism and moral relativism inherently cannot provide
I mean I’m starting to think cliffe is a hard core cessationist christian. I maybe wrong with your post but I believe u believe the same Jesus I believe in who still heals the sick and shows signs to the nonbelievers
@@sarahsingsforchrist I think he is bc when that First kid said they may have the miracles back then but we don’t see that now and Cliff gave the comparison to ESPN highlights, as if you just need to refer to the Bible to know about miracles and in my mind I immediately thought “we don’t need highlights when those who believe in all the word of God should see miracles all the time Lolol. It’s like they put the apostles on a huge pedestal which they are a huge part in the Bible but Cessationist fail to realize it was the Holy Spirit not the apostles. The same spirit that lived in them lives in us. Lol
I respect what cliff is doing but I know what Holy Spirit tells me and I can feel Him grieve when he leaves these kids thinking Holy Spirit doesn’t want to show these kids who He really is with His tangible presence. He wants to love on these ppl not just be talked about to them.
@@godswar_angel4033 I can feel that alongside you. But when I see these kids / young adults have honest questions, seeking thoughtful answers, I believe God can use those answers to motivate them to seek the presence of God. Many of those who oppose Cliffe are opposing God. They may become ready to ask questions to God after their encounter with a mere person.
It’s the overwhelming consensus of all archaeologists and historians that the story of Abraham is fiction, how do you reconcile that with your beliefs in the Jesus character?
The story of Abraham is a fact and everyone who sincerely seeks after God knows it. That claim that since there is no archaeological evidence, therefore it is not true, is useless, it happened 4k years ago and Abraham was simply a herder, so how can you expect to have remains left from him personally 4 thousand years later? Its like saying there is no archaeological evidence for some specific person who lived in India 4 thousand years ago. The fact is, we have biblical evidence that he did existed and the whole story lines up and is provable. I mean God specifically promised Abraham to bless him and his offsprings and look at them, look at the jews, the best scientists, the best musicians, one of the best actors, producers, film makers, doctors, lawyers, bankers, politicians, are jewish. A tiny fraction of the world population, way less than 1% is this successful. Why? Because they are the descendants of Abraham.
Thats is entirely false. Not even close to a consensus let alone overwhwlming. The saying goes an archaeologist carries a shovel in one hand a a bible in the other. You must learn on the internet.
It doesn't say slavery and killing is fine.thats why it's important that you read it for your self. The word of God is alive. And every man and animal that's ever lived will bow and confess he's king to the GLORY of God the Father
It's actually quite simple. They call it a mystery and you have to have faith. You have to have faith because they have no facts. Just plain made up. Mythological absurdities. But the fear instilled in you since childhood is so strong that most people can never walk away. And if you do walk away your friends and family will disown you. Just what part of this is love?
@@cartagenabrayan they have the truth of the natural world to lose. The fundamentalist Christian is an atheist towards every other religion. So what does a Muslim have to lose by putting all their faith in Allah?
@@cartagenabrayan you also lose your ability to determine the truth. You stopped trusting sources you should be trusting and instead trust sources that are not trustworthy. You might as well be asking what do people lose if they still believe in Zeus or Poseidon.
Gregory, with all due respect, you are incorrect. If you study the Bible you will see that Jesus fulfilled numerous prophecies, prophecies that were written hundreds of years before He was born (especially noteworthy is Isaiah chapter 53, allegedly written some 700 years before Christ's birth). On top of that, the Bible tells of historical facts and people that can be traced back through archeology (look up "Mount Sinai" and "The Split Rock" to see how events in the Old Testament still carry evidence today, most prominent work was by Ron Wyatt) and through historical accounts (e.g. Josephus and Tacitus among others). And finally, you cannot deny the radical transformation that happens in people's lives when they meet Christ through the Holy Spirit. Miracles still happen today, but you gotta look for them. The most miraculous thing that happens is that the Gospel has the power to transform a human heart, in a way that he receives a heart of flesh, a heart of love and humility, where before that he had a heart of stone, self-centered and carnal. If you're brave enough, you can look up deliverance videos where evil spirits are cast out of people (you can say they're acting, but having gone through deliverance myself I can attest to it being 100% real). I recommend Isaiah Saldivar's content, for example this video: th-cam.com/video/6lotJUtTFoI/w-d-xo.html If you want to encounter the living God, you first need to humble yourself and say "I don't know, but I want to know" and seek Him with your whole heart. He promised to reveal Himself to those that seek Him (Jeremiah 29:13: You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. ) God bless.
He also boasts of his “goodness” (feeding hungry people) over anything else. You can tell he’s not seriously thought about any of what Cliff said. He only gets huffy about God and religion because Cliff is speaking logic and reason and it started to make sense.
well firstly.. it doesn't come up on time what happens is.... whatever time it comes up IS WHAT WE CALL SUNRISE sometime's it's a few minutes late, but since we are on it's time and it is not on our time whatever time the sun rises is what we will define as sunrise. and if after a few years that lateness causes our calenders to .. say be out of whack by 45 minutes then we will globally adjust our clocks forward by 45 minutes TO ACCOMMODATE THE SUN , it doesn't accommodate us we accommodate it and it doesn't always come up on time everday, that's just the concensus
@@PInk77W1 yeah it's definitely cool, but that's because everything works in cycles and they of course don't pin point it, but they can certainly get damn close, but keep in mind if they are off time then THEY ADJUST because they are convinced, let's say that the eclipse has to happen 14th March 3026 at Midday Precisely so when we get to that day and let's say the eclipse seems to be happening at 1130, well they will just adjust all clocks because they believe they've done the math correctly and the clocks are falling behind so yeah it will seem they were dead on the nose but yeah the predictability is cool.. you are correct
@@martinkuliza I rode my bicycle across the USA in 2017. I got to see the total eclipse in Idaho falls iD. I was listening to the radio and they had some scientist say “It will change your life” I thought it was cool, but I’m more impressed by the fact we knew it would happen than by actually seeing it.
@@PInk77W1 I'm an Engineer, I UNDERSTAND. i also got to see one when i was young, it was pretty cool (it was in sydney) my mum told me not to look directly at it , i did look directly at it , but ... i went in the garage and got my dad's welding Mask and look directly at it through that LOL once i saw there wasn't that much to see i took the mask off and sort of looked away but watched it from the corner of my eye The haley's comet thing is also cool as well but again... CYCLES
I would love to know where the guy in the Texas hoodie is on his journey today. I pray that he has come to have a true sacing faith in & personal relationship with Jesus.
Exactly at 6:12 the bell tolls...just when he said ” if He rose from the dead, then you should trust Him". Nature and events have a knack for marking events, alternative would be that God programs it to line up with truth.... There is an idea I feel would help in decision, whether from Christian or Moslem or others; God still lives and aware of even our faintest thought... To be sure if there is Christ or other religious question, it is wise to ask the Creator of the universe to show us or prove to us. We could specify, if it's from a sincere and non-testing heart, that God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit ( I believe they're One functionality) should make an incidence occur. He has the power to. You may for instance actually pray intently that God should send someone your way with those particular answers. Jesus could also actually say things to you physically or in dreams.
Ask yourself this question? Why would a god even leave a book, of all things, to people in the Middle East to relay his message to us? If god can do anything, he could have thought up something more reliable and useful.
Just TH-cam the videos of hundreds of Muslims and people in the Middle East who have encountered Jesus in their Dreams and visions. Even while in prison. God reveals himself to all of us in some way and his perfect justice always allows someone to accept or reject him. The Bible says that his truth is “written on our hearts” so that on the day of judgement, none will be without excuse. Why do you think God allowed you to stumble across this TH-cam video today? Out of all the billions of videos, you commented on this one after the truth has been revealed to you! So you’ve now heard the truth and I encourage you to seek it out and ask God to reveal himself to you. Sincerely ask him and he will!
He didn’t just leave a book, he left TH-cam, and missionaries, and resources of all kinds to reveal himself to us. God is reaching the entire world right now in so many amazing ways, and in the midst of corruption, death and sin! The time is near so make your decision as to which side of the fence you are on. I pray that I will not be lukewarm in these days!
@@riveroflife9956 : Most atheists are former christians. We tried and nothing happens and nothing supernatural happened with you either, or you could prove it. Please explain what "written on our hearts" actually means, if you can. You just seem to be a parrot for the dogma of religion.
@@jasonnoble7814 “Trust in the Lord with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.” Proverbs 3:5-6
@@seekwisdom7254 That's the problem right there You're presupposing God You're not following the evidence You start with a belief in God and after finding no proof you use biblical Faith to justify that belief It not logically sound
@@jasonnoble7814 As a Christian you're right :) In the Philippines if there is an argument some people will use Bible Verses for protection XD they even use it out of context XD For Example : When Jesus said to the Teachers of the Law of Moses that before they remove the speck out of your brother's eye, you must Remove the Log on your eye to help you see better, in other words Jesus is saying you must judge fairly to Others (Don't say to others that they are going to hell because of their sin, first you must look at yourself if you are fit to say that) XD So it's no use in arguments XD so I agree with you 😂 I became Agnostic too whether if there is a God or nah. Soooo I Searched For Evidence, there are 3 things, the Evidence of Satan, Evidence of Jesus, and the Evidence of God. Not proofs, but Evidence, I don't remember all the Evidence but I can give you some suggestions if you want :) If you want to, if you don't want it that's fine :))
Slavery isn’t fine with God it’s fine with man. Killing isn’t fine it’s a sin. Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder” Exodus 9:1 “Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh and tell him that this is what the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, says: ‘Let My people go, so that they may worship Me.
Killing is fine, murder is not. Murder is unlawful killing. Killing is ordered by the bible in many cases. If a child is unruly, kill it. If a woman cannot prove that she is a virgin on her wedding day, kill her. If a person wears clothes of mixed fabrics, kill them. And so on.. And the bit about freeing slaves was for a specific group, slavery is otherwise fine. Why else would the bible give instructions on how to get slaves, how to keep them and how much you can beat them?
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 and why did the bible tell those people to kill? Why did it instruct them how to keep slaves? Saying it was worse before is a pretty weak defense.
“I can’t follow the Word of God but I will follow the doctrine of demons on earth”…is the second student’s essential declaration. Oh, how the enemy has blinded those who reject Jesus Christ.
_It’s not a religion. It’s a relationship_ A tiresome cliché well past it's sell-by date used by those of a mentally weak disposition, desperately in need of an emotional crutch Similar to an adult having a "relationship" with Santa or the Tooth Fairy
@@jakeschwartz2514 See your limited ability? I attended bible study with (3)Ordained ministers, two doctors, two engineers, a homeless man, a police patrolman, an arborist, a mechanic, and one engineer who was a NASA project engineer. I was the only curious creative carpenter. For the first year I mostly listened. We met at 6:30 am every friday. I much enjoyed the experience. What did I learn? Jesus is many things to many people. As a creative carpenter many in the community would falsely and subtly assume I was one of those with a "Christ Complex". The bible study was open to all in the community. Remember the homeless man? In the community at large, who trusts a craftsman such as myself?
@@carefulcarpenter I am also often told that I act ‘holier than thou’ despite feeling like the least amongst others. You truly can’t know another persons heart, only God can see right through a man. My true self was a condemned criminal in God’s eyes, but now I know that I am God’s child. The Bible really is true
Exactly. Religion is fantasy because religion is man trying to find God. Christianity is God trying to find man. This is what many people in Rome and Ephesus tried to do with the gold and silver idols they had. They worshiped the creation instead of the Creator. We read this in Act 17 when Luke wrote, "Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship-and this is what I am going to proclaim to you."
@@nabukwe agreed. I would take it farther. Dont even worship christianity. Its man made and driven. People have done evil deeds in the name of christianity. Search for God. Search for the creator. Search for truth. Search for Jesus christ. Search for the only answer that is left standing. The only answer that seemed Impossible. Just maybe. Either that or denial, illogic or pessimism.
@@bond3161 I don't think anyone would recommend worshipping Christianity, at least in that video. In fact, that would be kind of weird. To "worship" means to "ascribe ultimate value to something". People all worship something or someone, e.g. money, themselves, pleasure, status, fame, etc. So from a Christian standpoint, there is only one thing (or in this case a person) worthy of ultimate value, and that is the Creator God.
I have been an atheist most my life but then I started to do research on Jesus out of the blue and I will tell you. If Jesus is true and God is real than finding out will be the most important thing you will EVER EVER EVER do. Nothing will matter but God if it is true. It’s a shame that these kids won’t even put in the effort to find out. When they die they will regret not doing so I assure you. There is literally no one in hell that wants to be there. Even Crowley right now is there screaming for mercy from the God he spent his life hating. Do yourself a favor and find out for yourself nothing else matters in comparison.
Yes, this was Nov 2010. I've been helping Cliffe for over 20 years. I've seen years when evolution is the issue du jour and some years abortion is. Sometimes it's homosexuality. Some years it's moral ambiguity and other years it's topic X. Just a few years ago at Texas State, it was weird....almost every other question was about homosexuality. So topics come and go, but amazingly, no matter which University and which year, the topics generally stay the same within a very small range. That's why I would imagine Cliffe wrote his first book "Give Me An Answer" because he kept seeing the same questions over and over and over again.
2:03 did this guy legit just use that as an argument for why he couldn't believe the reliablilty of the gospels? video cameras? for real? there are so many videos of people claiming supernatural miracles and no one bats an eye towards that, because almost everyone thinks they were altered. now, I'm not saying those videos have any truth in them, but I'm saying if people say that about modern claims of miracles, why the heck wouldn't they say that about Jesus? it's never about which generation had the best method of recording events, when it comes to biblical concepts and stories...it is only by the power of the spirit that anyone could open their mind to the possibilites of any of that happening.
*it is only by the power of the spirit that anyone could open their mind to the possibilites..* Lol..sorry, loose talking is cheap. Just what verifiable empirical evidence/proof can you provide of this "spirit" existing or ever being something "real" ?! Whenever you actually present evidence/proof/facts for it outside personal religious convictions, prejudices, confirmation a/o subjective bias, only then any rational people would accept it.
I have to disagree on following religion is foolish. James (if I remember correctly) says that Christianity is pure and undefiled religion. Yes people create a false Christianity, but true Christianity is pure religion.
Read that passage again. “If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” James 1:26-27 KJV He isn’t talking about “religion” he is talking about TRUE RELIGION.
Cliffes cases for God is really great for the every day Christians. However for a new Christian. What defined Jesus and why he was so compelling to the gentiles. Was because of his compassion and how he would serve others. We cannot argue people into faith. The only way is through Jesus and he is the only one that saves. Cliffes debates are great for getting people to atleast consider there is a God.
That second student believes he is “good” and is angry that his “good deeds” are not going to get him into Heaven. He thinks more highly of himself than he ought to. Oh, may God humble him in hope that he might repent and receive forgiveness for his sins against God and have eternal Salvation.
The student at about 15:37 mins makes some great points, and it's the title of the video "Why follow a book that is 2000 years old"? I'm pretty sure that Cliffe's answers wouldn't convince a non believer, as the student says, most scientists wouldn't come to the conclusion. We have much more solid answers to questions which people living thousands of years ago were wrong about. It turns out we're not the centre of the Universe... far from it. We are a tiny speck in the big scheme of things. Always enjoy seeing a new video from Cliffe, even if this one is from the archives.. The God debate will be around for many many years. It's good to see more atheists involved in these conversations nowadays .. it's good to doubt what we've been told is true for hundreds of years.
I remember watching a video of some tribal people being showed how big the universe is and they were in such awe, and one of them glorified God and another one pointed out how such a small thing such as the human brain was able to discover such vast things. We are small and wondrously designed all at the same time 💎
@@michaelk7348 Yes, the human mind struggles to comprehend the vastness of the universe, there is little doubt about that, when we look into the night sky, our eyes are only capable of seeing a few thousand stars.. the more we've learned about how big the cosmos is it's very hard for us to get our heads around it. There is a very famous picture called "deep field" it was taken by the Hubble space telescope a few decades ago when astronomers pointed the telescope at a tiny patch of seemingly nothing in space.. there didn't appear to be anything there, many astronomers thought it would be a waste of time using Hubble's resources to look at nothing. When the images came back, it was stunning to see thousands upon thousands of far-off galaxies, and each one of these galaxies contained hundreds of millions of stars. We're slowly learning more about our place in the universe. In real terms, we're probably scrambling on the lower slopes of a huge mountain, we are nowhere near the summit. We know much more than people living in Biblical times, but, by the same token, people living in the future will know much more than us. You say our planet is small and wondrously designed Michael, if you were around a few billion years ago on this planet it was a completely different place that would have been totally hostile to human life. It's taken billions of years of evolution to get to this point.. and even now, much of the planet is hostile to human life. Maybe we're looking at the same planet completely differently. I see no evidence of design as such. We share this planet with millions of other life forms, many of which are deadly to mankind as we are deadly to them. It's good that we can agree this planet is an amazing place though. 😍
@@SolidPain6624 Not sure how you deduced that Justin, science doesn't seem to conclude that "therefore God exists" . How do you go about determining what is true and what is not true?
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse" Romans 1:18. here's how hell will be like if you don't repent th-cam.com/video/AKniy8CCKgs/w-d-xo.html
@@colinmatts where we don't live with self-pride where we recognize the seven above us loves us and knows better than us can you look for revelation we look for the true agape love your promises that go with it if we have too much pride how can we help others Pride how can we be better for others.
Come to Africa Here in Africa teachings of the word is great but miracles signs and wonders happens alot. Watch healing school from love world pastor Chris , pastor Benny, TB joshua and alot more Come and see.....
That is why it is 100 times better to research personally, seriously and with an open heart the reality of your existence and to find the origin of your existence on this earth. To rely on the theories of today's researchers is like trying to put a bottomless bucket in the fountain in the hope that you will get water out of it. So are today's researchers. I can't say absolutely ALL RESEARCHERS ARE THE SAME. BUT 99.99% SOA SUNT. A bottomless bucket.
It is so strange looking back 10 years to see what a college campus looked like. The attitude and focus of these students is so different from students today.
Are these old videos?
Edit: the clothing is starting to give it away lol, but I didn't realize
@Jordan - Everyone’s a lot more childish these days I’ve noticed lol. I’d be shocked if this guy was even allowed to speak on a campus.
They are noticing the lies he is telling them. Clever students!
No hateful meltdowns. No cancel culture.
No accusations of racism.
Safe to say they hadn't been indoctrinated back in 2010.
Yes they had more class back then.
This conversation first guy is actually my favorite one I’ve seen. Not only is he honest, but you can tell he is listening and trying to find the truth. This is an awesome way of finding the answers to life!
He was very eager to witness a miracle to help anchor the belief the Holy Spirit is instilling in him.
I agree, it’s refreshing to see a young person who’s heart isn’t already becoming hardened.
As good at this as Cliff is, I think he would be even better if he used the OT prophecies of Jesus and included that as evidence in these contexts. There are over 300 of them and some of them are just spectacularly specific and detailed and really hard to dismiss.
Why follow a 2000 year old book? Suppose it were written this morning, by a team of the wisest people on earth, and contained no teaching dependent on a particular time, culture or technology for its truth. It spoke for itself as superlative wisdom and revealed divine truth. Would you follow it? How about tomorrow? Next week? Next year? How many years would it take before timeless truth and wisdom were no longer timely? Timeless truth is, by definition, timeless.
The bible is a book of claims, not a book of truth, from god created to god died and rose again is all unevidenced BS, there has never been and never will be one that can prove or disprove that such claimed entities of gods exist, gods by all known evidence are the creations of men, that's ALL GOD's. That a human being any human being , call him jesus, or what you will no human being after being killed can return to life, creation , resurrection as stated in the bible, made up of many stories, most written by no one knows whom,and that includes the supposed gospel testemants, are claims without any sourced,verified, corroborated by any known to have existed persons by that same criteria, of factual historical evidence of anything but man made fairy stories, a book cannot prove itself when without known authors, and the bible has none that ever actually evidenced any god and that includes the supposed Jesus. The only ones that believe such BS are the indoctrinated from birth and groomed throughout their formative years, the ultra gullible, the absolute desperate that cannot cope with the realities of actual life, Christians are no different from one addicted to smoking, drugs, alcohol, they are in the capture of the mind benders,
👏🏼well put, when will people understand that God shows us time means nothing to him. It takes us 542 million “light years”(a speed in which humans cannot travel at)to get to Jupiter when will we understand that time means absolutely nothing. Like you said what is the difference if it was written 2,000 years ago or today.
@@daytradersdigest4729 jupiter is much less than one light year away (approx 384399999 miles). the shortest time it has taken for a spacecraft to reach jupiter is 18 months (longest is around 6 years)
@@arnoldnutter8474 I’m sorry you’re absolutely right I meant to say miles not years. Anyhow our galaxy is so big and far that humans will never be able to explore it physically. Meaning leaving earth to consider visiting any other planet to have us live there is absolutely impossible.
Really love the guy who peacefully enjoys his lunch while listening to them discuss
I do the same thing now, it’s just on TH-cam 😂❤️
Love watching all the bystanders closely listening to both sides. So cool!
Much like we are doing when we watch these videos. Very interesting!
Go watch the latest video.
It’s incredible to see the difference between the students , their mindsets and especially how the speak and respond.
Miracle: I was about to go off a cliff on the highway cause my brakes completely went out. My car miraculously stopped right before my inevitable demise. Praise God for modern miracles.
Brakes are not miracles
@@csabo1725 please read it again. I stated that my brakes went out and the car stopped anyhow.
@@victoriacampbell7651 What's your proof God saved you when he kills millions of others? Maybe friction saved you. Friction can be proven. You won't sound like an idiot of you go with that.
@@csabo1725 Had you been with me in the car, you would have known that it was not friction that stopped that car. My brakes stopped working while we were speeding down an incline. The car stopped miraculously feet before a huge cliff. I can not explain why he chose to keep me from dying and not others. I will die someday, like everyone else. I genuinely pray that you are ready to meet the Almighty God who saved me that day.
@@victoriacampbell7651 GOD must be having some great reasons to save you...
Still some intelligent scientists will call it friction without knowing what exactly happened with you... They just want to deny GOD in every case
It's beautiful to look back at how ideas & thoughts were exchanged on college campuses. This took place in 2010. Sad that our youth today won't get to ever see this happen again peacefully.
This is a throwback?
@@neneodonkor The video was posted in 2010, I believe. The students in this video are respectful and engaging in the exchange of thoughts & ideas. Whereas most secular campuses today...not so much. Today, it seems many students are disrespectful of life, people and thoughts/ideas. So yeah, 12 years ago...compared to now...does seem like a "throwback"....unfortunately.
It’s said posted 11 months ago though
The clarity of the camera also shows that it might have been taken around last year
@@BrockJamesStoryits a repost
I just discovered this guy along with John Lennox and Frank Turek today. Truly amazing people!
That’s awesome. Cliffe is amazing. He’s the reason I found God. Check out Mar Mari Emmanuel and Dr. William Lane Craig as well!
@@rjpaquet thank you! I love Mar Mari Emmanuel, I just didn’t know his name and I’ll definitely check out Dr. Craig
The first kid is honest and genuine. You notice it when he replies that he is afraid that he might be a cynic. I pray that he reads the gospels or maybe has read it and believed, then I pray for spiritual growth. God Bless us all.
It all seemed scripted to me.
@@chrlpolk I've been typing 4 different replies to you and I can't seem to figure out what to say.
So here I guess.
'If it's scripted would it have mattered for you?'
@Jhan Joshue P. Arrojado You’re praying for spiritual growth - making a character judgement based on what you perceive is happening here. I am doing the same. Yes, it matters to both you and I whether this is scripted; you, instilling a concern over a person’s spiritual growth, and me, an amusement over this man who perpetrated this Plato-like play in order to boost his ego via staged “Aha!” moments.
@@chrlpolk No it doesn't. You give to the homeless because your mind doesn't fill you with reasons not to. It's because you have a heart to do so.
@@chrlpolk not scripted.
Great Cliff.. It continues to amaze me the way you have been on the campuses all these years.. May God s power and grace be with you and your generations.. God has given you a clarity of mind with sharpness ..Jerry Dubai
That scream at 25:40 scared the shit outta me.....I was listening to this in the shower and literally ran out half naked because I thought one of my family members was being hurt.
wow
Dude in the back is CRUSHING those nachos.
Let the man enjoy 😂
Lol
The perfect accompaniment for this kind of spectator sport.
When I'm watching a movie with a LOT excitement...I eat a LOT of popcorn! LOL
😂😂😂
I would have LOVED to sit there all day and every day and just listen with my Bible.
Where is this school? I must commend the good manners of the audience. Refreshing to see a crowd gathered to discuss a topic without screaming and yelling. You can actually pay attention to the content. Well done really appreciate the respect!
Whenever someone says "Come on, we live in the 21st century..." I always think of someone living earlier saying "Come on, we live in the 9th century."
Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ King of kings ruler of heaven and earth Happy new Year everyone have a happy 2024 🙏🏻
I really enjoyed the genuine demeanor, intellectual honesty and consistency of the first guy. The goal of apologetics is not to convert you on the spot using fancy words, it's to get you to give a genuine look by appealing to your mind, God does the rest. All you have to do is give it a genuine look, God Himself will show you. But He actively hides the truth from those who are not genuine, which is why they live all their lives questioning but never getting answers and end up being frustrated hyper skeptics. 'The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.'
The second guy however, seemed to be in atheist kindergatten. Where the narrativeis everyone who is religious is just an idiot who can't think for themselves. Where they have never really met an apologist .
The last guy, was a treat for the mind. We had very similar objections before i came to Christ.
If I may ask, how did you come to conclude that this god you've mentioned exists?
@@theoskeptomai2535
If I may ask, how did you come to conclude that naturalism (your faith) is or even could be true?
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@Jesse Bryant
70 comments down on the theo thread of the. SHOULD WE LEARN FROM AND LIVE WITH SOCEITY.
Short answer: 1)truth is eternal 2) check your sources
Doom eternal
Your soul will live for eternity in heaven or in hell. Where would you like to be? Seek a loving Jesus for your salvation today, he is coming soon to a willing heart in any condition.
Just found this gentleman and I'm impressed at the work God is doing through him. Hats off to you Sr.
he's been around a long time doing this! he had a cable show for awhile, he is on the east coast and still a minister. he's so cool.
Cliff , i have really come to appreciate your work. God bless you!
He's so eloquent. Man I love this guy. God bless you good sir.
Anointed by God Almighty! To Him be the glory🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Because it makes me feel good and I use it to verify my belief that it can verify my belief.
Makes you "feel" good? You're not too familiar with the book, are ya? ...
@@jessebryant9233 I'm scum of course though God has a plan specially for me, I'm so special
Circular reasoning is the highest form of knowledge
@@rob-890
So you reply with a snark and nonsense rather than admit what we both already know? Well, if that's your a-game then... whatever! (Proverbs 14:7)
I understand what you're saying. But " feeling" has nothing to do with the truth of God. If it was like a drug, everyone would be addicted to it. But the truth is that the LOVE mentioned in the bible is sacrificial. If faith was measured in feeling I would not have much faith.
My favorite video yet! It’s really helped me as I’m going through this search trying to figure out the reliability of God / Christ. Much appreciated!
Cliffe your point is always on point and strike through the heart, mind and make so much sense in every way.
Really? Why to believe Jesus did miracles - we should believe testimonies. Why not believe in Mohammed splitting the Moon? There were testimonies about that, too. Many gurus in India, allegedly, perform miracles even today.
@@goranmilic442 Is the moon split though ?
@@20yrs_oldBlackGuy According to Muslim beliefs, it was at one point. Only prove of that is testimonies, just like with Jesus' resurrection.
We should believe that god sent his son to be impregnated in a virgin, had himself crucified, and then resurrected himself to himself? Makes no sense.
@@20yrs_oldBlackGuy : The bible also says that 500 people rose from the grave at the resurrection of Jesus. Do you believe that happened?
Can't wait for the next video. Always looking forward to it. Thanks Cliffe!
These are mostly old videos because we haven't been able to make new videos on campus because of COVID. This one video is from Nov 2010, eleven years ago. But if you want to see all posted videos, just go to the "askcliffe" channel. 😎
That kid is asking excellent questions. I hope he continues in his life to question the absurd and the nonsensical.
Yes like your statement
I really enjoy it thank Gid for the wisdom he has giving you
Is that "Gid" Almighty?
I love Gid
Because the same word applies to yesterday, today, and forever more..Its the greatest and most important History book of all time and yet its the greatest present day and future literature ever published and will ever exist! Things have come to past and many still have yet to come..but all was written 2000 yrs ago in that BOOK!
In your em¶ty head 🙄 🤡
I loved the analogy of mapping the globe onto a sheet of paper and losing details. The Bible in English has lost details and I quite often reference back to the Hebrew to understand the original meaning.
Well said @ 22:00 to 24:10 minutes. Watch the whole thing though. Such a rational discussion of the Bible, God, Christ Jesus' Miracles versus religion. Another good point made from 24:11 to 28:16 minutes.
The bible is older than 2000 years old. They finished writing the old testament 2000 years ago. But Job could be up to 5000 years old.
And even then what is written could be older in oratory form.
Bout to watch this, but i hope that point is introdiced.
Could you leave your sources please
@@childofthelivinggod. Its pretty common knowledge within theologans to be honest.
The old testament is written before Christ in the Israeli bronze and iron age. Many by the hand of Moses who lived about 1200 years BC.
The new testament written mostly by Luke and Paul within 60 years of Jesus.
Job is argued to possibly be the oldest biblical cannon but much of the exact timing is up for debate. Some think maybe it was written by Abraham.
This is all why the dead sea scrolls were such a big deal. Biblical scripture dating back to the capturing by the babylonians. Proving the words had been preserved and illustrating prophetic verses that at the time had yet come to pass.
People asked for a source material that dated before the events of proclaimed prophecy.
Its pretty interesting. Keep searching.
@@richardwhite6062 sure! Thanks. Yeah I'm really interested in this stuff.
@@childofthelivinggod. If you really want things to make literal sense, brush up on bronze age and iron age symbolism.
Knowing how the people of that era lived and viewed the world can truly help with the imagery they are trying to portrait through words in The Bible.
This is important for much of the OT because its the life they lived, and much of the idioms are tough to compare to how the words are used in a modern sense.
If youve ever learned a second language, you might know how it feels to have a word not carry the same weight or context into a different cultures use of that same word.
Just a thought
God Bless.
@@richardwhite6062 yeah, I understand.
That reminds me kind of how people are constantly debating about slavery in the Bible and whether or not God actually advocates for it; but often times people don't realize they're discussing two different kinds of slavery. I know what you mean.
Thanks a lot! Great stuff to chew on. God bless you and those you love.
Jesus loves you, turn to Him
Grace and Peace to you. I think the first student in the video seems to be open to the truth. I hope he finds it. He's asking good, sincere questions. Looks like his mind isn't totally committed to heathenism.
The other equally important task to determine whether Jesus really lived, died, was resurrected, and was in fact the living embodiment of God Himself is to ask Jesus Himself if he can show you the Truth of these matters and direct you by way of the Holy Spirit, this wonderful counsellor He told us he would leave with us to minister to us in all the ways of God and His intent for us. It is by giving our lives to Jesus, accepting Him as our Lord and Saviour, and asking the Holy Spirit to minister to us that we get the understanding we need which 'surpasses all understanding' by which we used to 'know' in the secular way. The darkness can't understand the light. This isn't a put down to people who don't know God, but it means that the understanding of the Truth (Jesus) can't be known by the darkness (those who don't know Him, and refuse to seek). Ask, and it will be given. Knock, and He will answer you. You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free).
Because we are weak. Fear death. Want feel special and loved. Cliff...you are lovely man. There are no witness. You belittle yourself and you don't need to be the good man that you are and still believe in the absurd
That was a pretty good analogy at the end of the video using names.
I thought it was brilliant too. Truth is, we all put ourselves in a category in whatever we believe
Thanks, for yet another interesting and informative episode, Cliffe.
No wonder Jesus asks us to just believe as a child would, in simple innocence and trust. The more learned one is the more confused they are of the simple truth of the Bible.
The young man doesn't want to believe because he doesn't want to change his behavior. Jesus challenges us to change our behavior which goes against the grain of our own nature which is evil. Thankfully, the Holy Spirit helps us evil people behave relatively properly, As far as a sinner/christian can (Simul iustus et peccator). And we can't forget of the blood of Christ which washes us clean, justified, sanctified and one day glorified! Can I get an Amen!!!
Amen!
Amen!!
AMEN!
The last guy using 2D and 3D to explain God being more informationally rich since he is beyond 3 dimensions explains God really well. Of course no book will contain everything about God, but He reveals parts or Himself to us by His choice and His timing.
Also, I still think God is even greater than a 4-dimensional being. If you can find videos explaining what a 4-dimensional being can do in our 3-D reality, you'll get a glimpse on how God can do anything. All Powerful 🙏
I thank the Lord for men that are so patient. Dealing with such ignorance/arrogance is very difficult for me and I pray often for an increase in this so that I could be of better use to Him.
I quite agree, I felt those students were very restrained. If I was there I would have walked and put the f wit on his back, the man is arrogance personified.
Is skepticism in the unsubstantiated claims of resurrection _necessarily_ a sign of ignorance and arrogance?
Thank you, Cliff! I also believe being a follower of Christ Jesus has nothing to do with being a Republican nor Democrat! It would be great if more Christian leaders would make this clear! God bless you!
Amen Preachhh Brother. Why should you follow Christ and His word the Bible? Ask God, if you exist show me who you are? When God show’s you believe Him.
John 8:12 “Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
John 14:6
“Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Using Bible verses to convince others that God/Jesus is real is just as useful as using characters names from their own books to claim they're real, like Harry Potter, or better yet Pinocchio, cuz he said he's a real boy in his book. Your heart is in a good place, but that is not a valid reason to others, let alone people who believe the Bible is just made up and miss translated throughout the years and thus unreliable, to them. So no, reading verses to them does absolutely nothing. Which is why you got to give them some sort of historical proof outside of the Bible
@@xXTMoneyXx
What's your worldview and what can you use to convince others that what you believe is true/real?
@@jessebryant9233 I agree with Cliff on all he has said so far. But unless someone's willing to listen via the Bible cuz they were partly raised in a church family, using verses to declare Jesus and God is real, is like saying reading Harry Potter makes him as real and valid as Jesus and God. So when the Bible uses the "boring parts" naming kings, and their sons, and government heads, ect and talking about how there's scriptures preserved and everything else and prove it. Cuz everything they believe is from out side of the Bible. The whole "it doesn't mean gay in the Bible its a miss translation and means child, shall not lay with child" and they believe the it has been miss translated to suit the "Christian liking" so having historical proof, cuz they're never talked about, using the Bible will do absolutely nothing to those individuals if used first.
@@xXTMoneyXx
So, what would you present? People's philosophical bais against the ONLY source that provides a rational basis for objective moral values and duties or the intrinsic worth of human life ("human rights") - a book that is rooted in history and is the most extant supported collection of ancient historical manuscripts known to man that is backed by historical, archeological, prophetic, and scientific evidence, well, if they won't accept that kind of source, what will they accept? So no, I vehemently disagree that it's like appealing to Harry Potter. That just isn't the case. As for mistranslated, well, they would have to argue for that...
@@jessebryant9233 I hate trying to explain everything over text/comments. Go to a college campus and try talking/preaching/debating college students you'll see the MSM talking points about religion, Christianity, and the Bible which is taken way out of context and not challenged or listened to Christian faithed people. As cliff brings up, he is a pastor, people don't question him cuz of that and he says it with gusto. While others who just tout scriptures, that say God is real to someone who is wanting proof is like the Harry Potter example, cuz they want SCIENTIFIC evidence or like, burn marks from the fire, the salt pillars of sadom and gamora. As I said, I hate trying to get the point over text cuz you have to condense things.
At the end was outstanding!!!
5th test: James 1:5. If any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God. Pray about it..... If you lack wisdom, ask God and trust in him to answer you. If you want to know if something is true, ask god. But be prepared in your heart to accept the answer and live according to the answer which you were given.
18:50 the nod of approval from them boys on the right like “this dude spittin rn” 😭😭
I was wrong, Jesus is God
I assume these lately posted videos are all older ones!
I remember finding this channel back in 2009 when the "atheism hype" was strong on the internet.
Interesting discussions. Thanks.
Do you think that the position of atheism is a rationally justified one?
"Atheist hype" has never been stronger as it is now. Praise jeeeesos!
"Atheist hype" has never been stronger as it is now. Praise Gsause!
He asks the student at the beginning "what year are we in now?" Student replied "2010".
"Blessed are those who believe and have not seen". Jesus told Tomas after the resurrection when Tomas didn't believe Jesus had risen.
It's bizarre to see how strong the pattern of misconception and lies is among students, how many have continously claimed that the Bible says "slavery is fine". Anyone who reads the book for themselves knows that isn't the truth.
23:37 His comment about not following American Christianity provoked smiles and laughter amongst the crowd. I cannot tell if they agree or disagree. Personally I'm leaning towards that they agree.
God bless you Cliffe. You're my favourite apologist.
He has a lot of patience, lol. A gift from the Holy Spirit.
@@NewCreationInChrist896 give me your address I will send you a copy of the Quran so it can get drilled into your mind since the other type of drilling ain't doing you any good
As an ex-atheist (now Christian) I really liked the first guy, he was genuine, honest and very open minded. You could talk with him about the evidence for Christianity for at least a day. I really hope he finds out the overwhelming evidence there is for Christianity, like I did, and live for God. And the second guy was just like other atheists, no difference. Anyways, God bless you all!
Welcome to the family much love ❤️
@@ramelbrooks2316 I love you and God loves you too!
@@ChrisTheKing172 For me personally how Jesus was a great teacher , and lived out his teachings, other documents like Joseph wrote about Jesus and a bunch of other historical people there was one document that said Jesus was a sorcerer and performed weird things which is interesting and how thev resurrection there’s some many flaws in others reasons why the resurrection didn’t happen and it seems like if there is a God it’s possible for the resurrection because the biggest miracles is the creation of the earth and if that’s possible raising someone from the dead is possible
@@ChrisTheKing172 well what do you think happened to Jesus’s body ? I’m just curious since your sister certain he didn’t
@@ChrisTheKing172 why do you think I’m american ? And I became a follower last year I’m 20 rn and there’s flaws with the stealing body argument because it doesn’t explain why Paul went from killing Christians to become one because he wrote that he encountered Jesus the Bible is 44 books not just one big book and there are other sources outside the Bible that said Jesus was a sorcerer doesnt that have you question Jesus ? I guess it depends do you believe in a God cause if you believe in God then miracles are possible if you don’t then miracles aren’t possible and why did all the disciples who claimed to physically see Jesus were willing to get skinned alive , hanged,stoned,beheaded ? All for a lie
The first guy gave me "Matthew from The Chosen" vibes. His mannerisms.
Amen!! You don't follow religion, you follow Jesus Christ!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The lord uses this man very well it’s a blessing to watch him! God bless the people watching this the lord is so good.
Good see you brother cliff 🙏❤️❤️❤️💯Godbless the TRUTH will set us free Amen
It is written
John 14 :6..
Educate dem brother xx
HOLY SPIRIT is with you ❤️
I pray to GOD to bless everyone and Cliff. I learned a lot from your explanation and thought. Thank you!
His arguments are atrocious. He makes fallacious arguments and poor historical arguments.
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 You made a atrocious statement, now let's see your clear evidence of what you call is the real historical truth.
@@larrylewis6725Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Cliff has words from an ancient book and literally nothing more. That does not qualify in the modern world.
Just a couple of thoughts while listening...
23:00 - Why should one think any belief/worldview/religion is the "best"? Do atheists think that their position of what they like to claim is the "lack of belief" is the "best"? ...
24:30 - When we say that God is "all powerful", we mean that God can do anything that power can do.
25:30 - Following ONE text or doctrine? But isn't true exclusive? Multiple sources that contradict may ALL be wrong, but they cannot ALL be right.
1. Because most religions INSISTS that it is not only the best, but the only TRUE religion. (Christianity)
2. All powerful quite literally means ''having complete power" also knows as omnipotence, you don't get to chose what it means change the way how you describe god
3. The kid is describing himself as someone who does not want to limit their thought process on one simple religion and that he is rather open to all, he might find non of them convincing but he thinks that limiting yourself to one religion is not a good way to find true religion.
@@dillonferreira3529
1. And atheists don't think there 'religion' is the best or that atheism/naturalism is actually true? Can there be more than one truth?
2. So you believe that being all powerful means that one can do even what power can't do?
3. That doesn't address the simple fact that truth by definition is exclusive. Who is saying that you can't shop around? I know the Bible doesn't ask that folks simply accept it rather than actually seek for truth. _What do you believe is true and why, regarding those fundamental questions of human existence?_ For example: origins, meaning, morality, destiny. _Your thoughts?_
@@jessebryant9233 1. Atheism is not a religion, and no for it to be 100% true, atheists will have to prove with 100% certainty that God does not exist, instead they insist that there is a 99% chance its true because we don't believe in sorcery and religion doesn't match our world in the slightest, no there can't be more than one truth in this regard, Christianity says that you cannot worship other religions, Islam says you cannot either, and atheism, you don't believe in any so unfortunately you have to choose one, or don't I don't care.
2. That is literally what it means yes and most Christians claim that's what their God is able to have.
3. Unfortunately the Christian God hates it when you "shop around", he is a jealous God and tells you in the bible that he is the only true God and that you should have faith in him, shopping around for the truth means you have doubt for what the truth is. This is forbidden in religion
@@dillonferreira3529
1. Atheism qualities as a religion according to the dictionary... And how did you or anyone else arrive at the 99% figure? Given known laws of physics and empirical observation, there is a 0% change of naturalism being true. So why are YOU a believer? And no, Christianity doesn't say that unbelievers can't worship whatever they want...
2. You are literally wrong.
3. The Bible teaches no such thing. And if the God of the Bible is in fact THE GOD, then he has a right to be jealous and to tell you to refrain from worshiping any other - because doing so would be to worship a false God. As for doubt, Jesus dealt with that - and again, the facts of the Bible don't gel with your erroneous perceptions. _Does it concern you at all that you've been misinformed?_ If what you currently believe is false - how badly do you want to correct your misplaced faith?
@@jessebryant9233 1. please provide a link, I cannot seem to find it.
2. Explain how
3. You are wrong, Exodus 20:5
Those golden times where women and man actually knows how to dress properly.
Why I hate religion but love Jesus christ is a good video thanks for reminding me of it
CS Lewis had questions like these young mens’. Read him, particularly “Surprised By Joy,” and “Miracles,” in that order.
These kids are really smart. I’m impressed!
Um, not the second one
@@Poulson_thefit1
You mean worldly smart? I’m not impressed!
@godof79 I thought they asked really good questions. You have to be smart to ask good questions.
@@elainehiggins713 I don’t see them that way..they are all stuck and don’t get what basic truths and common sense tell them
@@ryanesau8147 Stuck how?
Mark Twain on religion;
"Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the
only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the
only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if
his theology isn't straight."
Chester Parsnip...Do not follow religion, follow Christ.
I like this one;
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
Steven Weinberg.
I'm sure you'd agree.
@@wmthewyld Christ? Who the f... is christ?
@@chesterparsnip Use Google.
@@chesterparsnip Why would I agree with such nonsense? I do not follow religion.
He was certainly able to attract a crowd. See how interested all these young people were in actually listening without reacting.
Imagine this today?
Screamed out by the perpetually offended.
I think a more appropriate question would be "Why do Christians worship Jesus when he was not God, Worship ONLY God."
Jesus was not a carpenter, that word didnt even exist in his time, tell me he made tables all you want, that would make him a wood craftsman, not a carpenter, we carpenters build structures.
Jesus and his father Joseph were described as Tektons, which is a Greek word for builder, in a time, place and culture when all structures were built from stone. He was a stone mason.
Why was Greek word used to describe Jesus and Joesph is also a better question but the answer is simple, he was Greek.
Watching this gave me the chills. I love Jesus and I really needed to see this today. 😢
This man is a absouloute liar we.do not have.any of these ancient.documents the 4 new testament authors are not known.
@godof79 well it shows you’re the ignorant one by calling a woman that said nothing to you but expressed her feelings harmlessly “stupid”. You’re a devil worshipper just like Christ said you will know a tree by his fruits.
@godof79 the scriptures said a thousand years before you were born that people like you would rise saying where is Jesus’ coming? Well when Jesus returns you would wish he did not come. That’s why he’s not hear yet he doesn’t want to kill fools like you.
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@@billyhart2593 Even if we didn’t have any documents surely the scriptures in the Bible come from somewhere. And that somewhere is God. Only God defines what is true and what is not.
When that plane landed on the ocean in NY years ago with NO fatalities, that was a miracle, not pilot skill. I was healed of an incurable diease, I know that is a miracle, etc,etc,etc. God performs miracles all the time. He keeps us from dangers seen and unseen. If we Knew all the dangers God kept us from we would be paralyzed with fear. God keep on keeping me. In Jesus Name, Amen
"When that plane landed on the ocean in NY years ago with NO fatalities, that was a miracle, not pilot skill."
To look at it from the other side, when the planes crashed into the ocean and kill all those on board God was saying "Screw You!!"
" I was healed of an incurable diease, I know that is a miracle, etc,etc,etc"
Well if you were cured then clearly it wasn't an incurable disease. But I would love to hear about what disease that would be because there will be write ups in medical journals in that regards. Now that I asked if you dodge then we can claim you are lying.
I will present the other side of that to show, my sons 12 year old classmate died of cancer, according to you God said "Screw You!!" to a 12 year old.
God performs miracles all the time. God keeps us paralyzed with fear."
If that is true then God is screwing with free will and free choice.
I see much pain, if you would have dialogue, if you are not, I will respect that.
@@godislove363 "I see much pain,"
Get your eyes checked you are delusional and seeing things.
@@ThyBountyHunter if wrong sorry, but you definitely have anger, I will not bother you further. I hope you find peace.
@@godislove363 " if wrong sorry, but you definitely have anger, "
In text to convey anger a person would use all caps as it is a sign of shouting, as you can see clearly no caps in my comment so get your eyes checked as you are clearly having issues.
That guy said, “ I am more ethical than many people who are religious” He sound just like the rich young ruler.
Yeah. He does. In the words in Scripture, "but the man tried to justify himself...."
Cliffe doesn't usually ask this (though I hear other apologists ask it), one question that should be put to that student would have been "ethical according to whom?" Who defines your ethics? What is its source? It can only come form one of 3 possible sources: the individual (yourself), society or a elite group within a society, or a God.
After helping Cliffe at UT for over 20 years, one thing that keeps recurring over and over and over again is the similarity in the dialogue and eerily, the similar way people 2000 years ago thought compared to today. 8-/
What if he based his ethics on all the world religions, and then, on at basis, thinks he is ethical? Maybe he uses a combination of religion, societal agreement, and gut feeling. Can pagans or atheists not be ethical? There is a Sumerian Code that has commandments against murder, robbery, etc. it’s older than the Ten Commandments. Perhaps this could be the basis of ethics or morals?
@@joecheffo5942 It sounds like you are searching for something other than God and have no consequences to your own actions that go against a Holy God. Repent and ask Christ to forgive you of your sins and follow Jesus.
@joecheffo5942 Morality and laws are two different things. An atheist is incapable of having moral absolutes. If you are religious then you have a degree of certainty that skepticism and moral relativism inherently cannot provide
Praise the lord ❤❤❤❤❤
That last part was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yep... American Christianity isn't the way. God is the way.
I mean I’m starting to think cliffe is a hard core cessationist christian. I maybe wrong with your post but I believe u believe the same Jesus I believe in who still heals the sick and shows signs to the nonbelievers
@@godswar_angel4033 yes I do believe that. Not sure if he is cessationist or not.
@@sarahsingsforchrist I think he is bc when that First kid said they may have the miracles back then but we don’t see that now and Cliff gave the comparison to ESPN highlights, as if you just need to refer to the Bible to know about miracles and in my mind I immediately thought “we don’t need highlights when those who believe in all the word of God should see miracles all the time Lolol. It’s like they put the apostles on a huge pedestal which they are a huge part in the Bible but Cessationist fail to realize it was the Holy Spirit not the apostles. The same spirit that lived in them lives in us. Lol
I respect what cliff is doing but I know what Holy Spirit tells me and I can feel Him grieve when he leaves these kids thinking Holy Spirit doesn’t want to show these kids who He really is with His tangible presence. He wants to love on these ppl not just be talked about to them.
@@godswar_angel4033 I can feel that alongside you. But when I see these kids / young adults have honest questions, seeking thoughtful answers, I believe God can use those answers to motivate them to seek the presence of God. Many of those who oppose Cliffe are opposing God. They may become ready to ask questions to God after their encounter with a mere person.
It’s the overwhelming consensus of all archaeologists and historians that the story of Abraham is fiction, how do you reconcile that with your beliefs in the Jesus character?
They can not. Period
The story of Abraham is a fact and everyone who sincerely seeks after God knows it.
That claim that since there is no archaeological evidence, therefore it is not true, is useless, it happened 4k years ago and Abraham was simply a herder, so how can you expect to have remains left from him personally 4 thousand years later?
Its like saying there is no archaeological evidence for some specific person who lived in India 4 thousand years ago. The fact is, we have biblical evidence that he did existed and the whole story lines up and is provable.
I mean God specifically promised Abraham to bless him and his offsprings and look at them, look at the jews, the best scientists, the best musicians, one of the best actors, producers, film makers, doctors, lawyers, bankers, politicians, are jewish. A tiny fraction of the world population, way less than 1% is this successful. Why? Because they are the descendants of Abraham.
Thats is entirely false. Not even close to a consensus let alone overwhwlming.
The saying goes an archaeologist carries a shovel in one hand a a bible in the other.
You must learn on the internet.
@@nikokapanen82 no, it's known fiction its the overwhelming consensus
@@nikokapanen82 facts don't care about your beliefs, look it up dude.
It doesn't say slavery and killing is fine.thats why it's important that you read it for your self. The word of God is alive. And every man and animal that's ever lived will bow and confess he's king to the GLORY of God the Father
The two guys just eating and taking in the arguments are my spirit animals
The issues of miracles is quite a complex argument but life itself is a miracle of some sort it may seem natural because it's very common to us.
It's actually quite simple. They call it a mystery and you have to have faith. You have to have faith because they have no facts. Just plain made up. Mythological absurdities. But the fear instilled in you since childhood is so strong that most people can never walk away. And if you do walk away your friends and family will disown you. Just what part of this is love?
What do people with faith have to lose, If they choose to have faith in Jesus?
@@cartagenabrayan they have the truth of the natural world to lose. The fundamentalist Christian is an atheist towards every other religion. So what does a Muslim have to lose by putting all their faith in Allah?
@@cartagenabrayan also you lose a lot of your money that you give to the church and a lot of your time that you give to your church.
@@cartagenabrayan you also lose your ability to determine the truth. You stopped trusting sources you should be trusting and instead trust sources that are not trustworthy. You might as well be asking what do people lose if they still believe in Zeus or Poseidon.
Gregory, with all due respect, you are incorrect. If you study the Bible you will see that Jesus fulfilled numerous prophecies, prophecies that were written hundreds of years before He was born (especially noteworthy is Isaiah chapter 53, allegedly written some 700 years before Christ's birth).
On top of that, the Bible tells of historical facts and people that can be traced back through archeology (look up "Mount Sinai" and "The Split Rock" to see how events in the Old Testament still carry evidence today, most prominent work was by Ron Wyatt) and through historical accounts (e.g. Josephus and Tacitus among others).
And finally, you cannot deny the radical transformation that happens in people's lives when they meet Christ through the Holy Spirit. Miracles still happen today, but you gotta look for them. The most miraculous thing that happens is that the Gospel has the power to transform a human heart, in a way that he receives a heart of flesh, a heart of love and humility, where before that he had a heart of stone, self-centered and carnal. If you're brave enough, you can look up deliverance videos where evil spirits are cast out of people (you can say they're acting, but having gone through deliverance myself I can attest to it being 100% real). I recommend Isaiah Saldivar's content, for example this video: th-cam.com/video/6lotJUtTFoI/w-d-xo.html
If you want to encounter the living God, you first need to humble yourself and say "I don't know, but I want to know" and seek Him with your whole heart. He promised to reveal Himself to those that seek Him (Jeremiah 29:13: You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.
) God bless.
The second guy, "I'm an atheist" 🤓
He thinks being an atheist is a cool trait. Uuuu i listen to Dawkins, im smart
He also boasts of his “goodness” (feeding hungry people) over anything else. You can tell he’s not seriously thought about any of what Cliff said. He only gets huffy about God and religion because Cliff is speaking logic and reason and it started to make sense.
cant blame him, i was that guy 2 years ago
@@JoeMama-sd2kl
Atheism is honest
@@Sldejo
Cliffs arguments are sophistry
Most do not follow logic or the scientific method
The fact that the sun comes up on time everyday is a miracle
well firstly.. it doesn't come up on time
what happens is.... whatever time it comes up IS WHAT WE CALL SUNRISE
sometime's it's a few minutes late, but since we are on it's time and it is not on our time whatever time the sun rises is what we will define as sunrise.
and if after a few years that lateness causes our calenders to .. say be out of whack by 45 minutes then we will globally adjust our clocks forward by 45 minutes TO ACCOMMODATE THE SUN , it doesn't accommodate us we accommodate it and it doesn't always come up on time everday, that's just the concensus
@@martinkuliza
I like how they can know when the total eclipse is gonna happen 100yrs in advance
@@PInk77W1
yeah it's definitely cool, but that's because everything works in cycles
and they of course don't pin point it, but they can certainly get damn close, but keep in mind if they are off time then THEY ADJUST because they are convinced, let's say that the eclipse has to happen 14th March 3026 at Midday Precisely
so when we get to that day and let's say the eclipse seems to be happening at 1130, well they will just adjust all clocks because they believe they've done the math correctly and the clocks are falling behind
so yeah it will seem they were dead on the nose
but yeah the predictability is cool.. you are correct
@@martinkuliza I rode my bicycle across the USA in 2017. I got to see the total eclipse in
Idaho falls iD. I was listening to the radio and they had some scientist say
“It will change your life”
I thought it was cool, but I’m more impressed by the fact we knew it would happen than by actually seeing it.
@@PInk77W1 I'm an Engineer, I UNDERSTAND.
i also got to see one when i was young, it was pretty cool (it was in sydney) my mum told me not to look directly at it , i did look directly at it , but ... i went in the garage and got my dad's welding Mask and look directly at it through that LOL once i saw there wasn't that much to see i took the mask off and sort of looked away but watched it from the corner of my eye
The haley's comet thing is also cool as well
but again... CYCLES
I would love to know where the guy in the Texas hoodie is on his journey today. I pray that he has come to have a true sacing faith in & personal relationship with Jesus.
Exactly at 6:12 the bell tolls...just when he said ” if He rose from the dead, then you should trust Him".
Nature and events have a knack for marking events, alternative would be that God programs it to line up with truth....
There is an idea I feel would help in decision, whether from Christian or Moslem or others; God still lives and aware of even our faintest thought... To be sure if there is Christ or other religious question, it is wise to ask the Creator of the universe to show us or prove to us. We could specify, if it's from a sincere and non-testing heart, that God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit ( I believe they're One functionality) should make an incidence occur. He has the power to. You may for instance actually pray intently that God should send someone your way with those particular answers. Jesus could also actually say things to you physically or in dreams.
Ask yourself this question? Why would a god even leave a book, of all things, to people in the Middle East to relay his message to us? If god can do anything, he could have thought up something more reliable and useful.
Just TH-cam the videos of hundreds of Muslims and people in the Middle East who have encountered Jesus in their Dreams and visions. Even while in prison. God reveals himself to all of us in some way and his perfect justice always allows someone to accept or reject him. The Bible says that his truth is “written on our hearts” so that on the day of judgement, none will be without excuse. Why do you think God allowed you to stumble across this TH-cam video today? Out of all the billions of videos, you commented on this one after the truth has been revealed to you! So you’ve now heard the truth and I encourage you to seek it out and ask God to reveal himself to you. Sincerely ask him and he will!
He didn’t just leave a book, he left TH-cam, and missionaries, and resources of all kinds to reveal himself to us. God is reaching the entire world right now in so many amazing ways, and in the midst of corruption, death and sin! The time is near so make your decision as to which side of the fence you are on. I pray that I will not be lukewarm in these days!
@@riveroflife9956 : Most atheists are former christians. We tried and nothing happens and nothing supernatural happened with you either, or you could prove it. Please explain what "written on our hearts" actually means, if you can. You just seem to be a parrot for the dogma of religion.
@@anonymousjohnson976 the devil will fight you to get out of the line....
If you lose faith you lose it all📖
Thank you for all the work you do for the kingdom and the world👑
That's right
Because if you use logic Christianity falls apart
@@jasonnoble7814 “Trust in the Lord with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight.”
Proverbs 3:5-6
Losing faith is like going for a dump.
You feel lighter, and get rid of all that shit
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That's the problem right there
You're presupposing God
You're not following the evidence
You start with a belief in God and after finding no proof you use biblical Faith to justify that belief
It not logically sound
@@jasonnoble7814 As a Christian you're right :)
In the Philippines if there is an argument some people will use Bible Verses for protection XD
they even use it out of context XD For Example : When Jesus said to the Teachers of the Law of Moses that before they remove the speck out of your brother's eye, you must Remove the Log on your eye to help you see better, in other words Jesus is saying you must judge fairly to Others
(Don't say to others that they are going to hell because of their sin, first you must look at yourself if you are fit to say that) XD So it's no use in arguments XD so I agree with you 😂
I became Agnostic too whether if there is a God or nah.
Soooo I Searched For Evidence, there are 3 things, the Evidence of Satan, Evidence of Jesus, and the Evidence of God.
Not proofs, but Evidence, I don't remember all the Evidence but I can give you some suggestions if you want :)
If you want to, if you don't want it that's fine :))
Slavery isn’t fine with God it’s fine with man. Killing isn’t fine it’s a sin.
Exodus 20:13
“You shall not murder”
Exodus 9:1
“Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh and tell him that this is what the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, says: ‘Let My people go, so that they may worship Me.
Killing is fine, murder is not.
Murder is unlawful killing.
Killing is ordered by the bible in many cases.
If a child is unruly, kill it.
If a woman cannot prove that she is a virgin on her wedding day, kill her.
If a person wears clothes of mixed fabrics, kill them.
And so on..
And the bit about freeing slaves was for a specific group, slavery is otherwise fine.
Why else would the bible give instructions on how to get slaves, how to keep them and how much you can beat them?
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 how is telling us to kill people not pro killing? how is telling us how to get, keep and punish slaves not pro slavery?
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 if the bible only applies to a specific culture in a specific time, why should we care what it says?
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 and why did the bible tell those people to kill? Why did it instruct them how to keep slaves?
Saying it was worse before is a pretty weak defense.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 I think its weak to not be able to tell people that slavery and killing is wrong, yes.
Have fun, boy. What a good time to have lunch in the middle of the philosophical conversations of life. :) :) :)
“I can’t follow the Word of God but I will follow the doctrine of demons on earth”…is the second student’s essential declaration. Oh, how the enemy has blinded those who reject Jesus Christ.
It’s not a religion. It’s a relationship.
Amen.
Is it a REAL relationship or an IMAGINED one?
Extremely real relationship
@@Gbaby204 Would you agree a relationship requires two _real_ entities? Yes or no.
_It’s not a religion. It’s a relationship_
A tiresome cliché well past it's sell-by date used by those of a mentally weak disposition, desperately in need of an emotional crutch
Similar to an adult having a "relationship" with Santa or the Tooth Fairy
Jesus was a creative genius. Churches promote academic study. Big difference.
Church theology would not recognize a creative genius in today's world.
This comment sounds like someone who doesn't believe Jesus Christ died for a purpose beyond worldly ideas of expression.
@@jakeschwartz2514 See your limited ability? I attended bible study with (3)Ordained ministers, two doctors, two engineers, a homeless man, a police patrolman, an arborist, a mechanic, and one engineer who was a NASA project engineer. I was the only curious creative carpenter. For the first year I mostly listened. We met at 6:30 am every friday. I much enjoyed the experience.
What did I learn?
Jesus is many things to many people. As a creative carpenter many in the community would falsely and subtly assume I was one of those with a "Christ Complex". The bible study was open to all in the community. Remember the homeless man?
In the community at large, who trusts a craftsman such as myself?
@@carefulcarpenter I am also often told that I act ‘holier than thou’ despite feeling like the least amongst others. You truly can’t know another persons heart, only God can see right through a man. My true self was a condemned criminal in God’s eyes, but now I know that I am God’s child. The Bible really is true
@@jakeschwartz2514 Well, you avoided answering my question. Is God not talking to you today? He knows who trusts a creative compassionate craftsman.
@@carefulcarpenter what are you implying here my friend?
Best part of this video was when Cliffe said the word "fantasy". Sums up religion perfectly.
Yes... but there might very well be a distinction between religion and truth rooted in reality.
What do you believe?
Exactly. Religion is fantasy because religion is man trying to find God. Christianity is God trying to find man. This is what many people in Rome and Ephesus tried to do with the gold and silver idols they had. They worshiped the creation instead of the Creator.
We read this in Act 17 when Luke wrote, "Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship-and this is what I am going to proclaim to you."
@@nabukwe agreed.
I would take it farther. Dont even worship christianity. Its man made and driven. People have done evil deeds in the name of christianity.
Search for God. Search for the creator. Search for truth. Search for Jesus christ. Search for the only answer that is left standing. The only answer that seemed Impossible. Just maybe.
Either that or denial, illogic or pessimism.
@@nabukwe HOW did you come to conclude that this god you've mentioned exists?
@@bond3161 I don't think anyone would recommend worshipping Christianity, at least in that video. In fact, that would be kind of weird. To "worship" means to "ascribe ultimate value to something". People all worship something or someone, e.g. money, themselves, pleasure, status, fame, etc.
So from a Christian standpoint, there is only one thing (or in this case a person) worthy of ultimate value, and that is the Creator God.
I have been an atheist most my life but then I started to do research on Jesus out of the blue and I will tell you. If Jesus is true and God is real than finding out will be the most important thing you will EVER EVER EVER do. Nothing will matter but God if it is true. It’s a shame that these kids won’t even put in the effort to find out. When they die they will regret not doing so I assure you. There is literally no one in hell that wants to be there. Even Crowley right now is there screaming for mercy from the God he spent his life hating. Do yourself a favor and find out for yourself nothing else matters in comparison.
Very smart Cliffe sir
This was 2010 ? Was already wondering why there no were woman screaming around or lbgt stuff being waved around. Less wicked times back then then now.
yeah, its sad right now
Yeah, I noticed that too lol
LOL
Yes, this was Nov 2010. I've been helping Cliffe for over 20 years. I've seen years when evolution is the issue du jour and some years abortion is. Sometimes it's homosexuality. Some years it's moral ambiguity and other years it's topic X. Just a few years ago at Texas State, it was weird....almost every other question was about homosexuality. So topics come and go, but amazingly, no matter which University and which year, the topics generally stay the same within a very small range. That's why I would imagine Cliffe wrote his first book "Give Me An Answer" because he kept seeing the same questions over and over and over again.
2:03 did this guy legit just use that as an argument for why he couldn't believe the reliablilty of the gospels? video cameras? for real?
there are so many videos of people claiming supernatural miracles and no one bats an eye towards that, because almost everyone thinks they were altered. now, I'm not saying those videos have any truth in them, but I'm saying if people say that about modern claims of miracles, why the heck wouldn't they say that about Jesus?
it's never about which generation had the best method of recording events, when it comes to biblical concepts and stories...it is only by the power of the spirit that anyone could open their mind to the possibilites of any of that happening.
*it is only by the power of the spirit that anyone could open their mind to the possibilites..*
Lol..sorry, loose talking is cheap.
Just what verifiable empirical evidence/proof can you provide of this "spirit" existing or ever being something "real" ?!
Whenever you actually present evidence/proof/facts for it outside personal religious convictions, prejudices, confirmation a/o subjective bias, only then any rational people would accept it.
I have to disagree on following religion is foolish. James (if I remember correctly) says that Christianity is pure and undefiled religion. Yes people create a false Christianity, but true Christianity is pure religion.
Read that passage again. “If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.”
James 1:26-27 KJV
He isn’t talking about “religion” he is talking about TRUE RELIGION.
Also James is t saying yo follow religion he is saying expressing religion looks like this.
Cliffes cases for God is really great for the every day Christians. However for a new Christian. What defined Jesus and why he was so compelling to the gentiles. Was because of his compassion and how he would serve others. We cannot argue people into faith. The only way is through Jesus and he is the only one that saves.
Cliffes debates are great for getting people to atleast consider there is a God.
That second student believes he is “good” and is angry that his “good deeds” are not going to get him into Heaven. He thinks more highly of himself than he ought to. Oh, may God humble him in hope that he might repent and receive forgiveness for his sins against God and have eternal Salvation.
The student at about 15:37 mins makes some great points, and it's the title of the video "Why follow a book that is 2000 years old"? I'm pretty sure that Cliffe's answers wouldn't convince a non believer, as the student says, most scientists wouldn't come to the conclusion. We have much more solid answers to questions which people living thousands of years ago were wrong about. It turns out we're not the centre of the Universe... far from it. We are a tiny speck in the big scheme of things. Always enjoy seeing a new video from Cliffe, even if this one is from the archives.. The God debate will be around for many many years. It's good to see more atheists involved in these conversations nowadays .. it's good to doubt what we've been told is true for hundreds of years.
I remember watching a video of some tribal people being showed how big the universe is and they were in such awe, and one of them glorified God and another one pointed out how such a small thing such as the human brain was able to discover such vast things. We are small and wondrously designed all at the same time 💎
@@michaelk7348 yes, hence the truth that God exists.
@@michaelk7348 Yes, the human mind struggles to comprehend the vastness of the universe, there is little doubt about that, when we look into the night sky, our eyes are only capable of seeing a few thousand stars.. the more we've learned about how big the cosmos is it's very hard for us to get our heads around it. There is a very famous picture called "deep field" it was taken by the Hubble space telescope a few decades ago when astronomers pointed the telescope at a tiny patch of seemingly nothing in space.. there didn't appear to be anything there, many astronomers thought it would be a waste of time using Hubble's resources to look at nothing. When the images came back, it was stunning to see thousands upon thousands of far-off galaxies, and each one of these galaxies contained hundreds of millions of stars. We're slowly learning more about our place in the universe. In real terms, we're probably scrambling on the lower slopes of a huge mountain, we are nowhere near the summit. We know much more than people living in Biblical times, but, by the same token, people living in the future will know much more than us.
You say our planet is small and wondrously designed Michael, if you were around a few billion years ago on this planet it was a completely different place that would have been totally hostile to human life. It's taken billions of years of evolution to get to this point.. and even now, much of the planet is hostile to human life. Maybe we're looking at the same planet completely differently. I see no evidence of design as such. We share this planet with millions of other life forms, many of which are deadly to mankind as we are deadly to them.
It's good that we can agree this planet is an amazing place though. 😍
@@SolidPain6624 Not sure how you deduced that Justin, science doesn't seem to conclude that "therefore God exists" . How do you go about determining what is true and what is not true?
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse" Romans 1:18. here's how hell will be like if you don't repent th-cam.com/video/AKniy8CCKgs/w-d-xo.html
If you want to know the real God He will reveal Himself to you if truly want to know Him.
Just have a humble heart.
Define a humble heart
@@colinmatts where we don't live with self-pride where we recognize the seven above us loves us and knows better than us can you look for revelation we look for the true agape love your promises that go with it if we have too much pride how can we help others Pride how can we be better for others.
@@godislove363 So you're saying if you begin by believing a god exists you will then believe a god exists. Am I understanding you correctly?
@@godislove363 Is part of you're "being better for others" constantly calling them liars over and over again?
He’s missing the point. The miracles are essential because of who Jesus Christ claims to be GOD IN THE FLESH.
Come to Africa
Here in Africa teachings of the word is great but miracles signs and wonders happens alot. Watch healing school from love world pastor Chris , pastor Benny, TB joshua and alot more
Come and see.....
That is why it is 100 times better to research personally, seriously and with an open heart the reality of your existence and to find the origin of your existence on this earth. To rely on the theories of today's researchers is like trying to put a bottomless bucket in the fountain in the hope that you will get water out of it. So are today's researchers. I can't say absolutely ALL RESEARCHERS ARE THE SAME. BUT 99.99% SOA SUNT. A bottomless bucket.