if we as Americans bring back Manufacturing to our country, we get jobs, we get people off welfare, im all for Tariffs, lets start making stuff here again...sorry,, its the way I see it.
This is why I said I am planning on a 2 year dry spell. They did the same to washing machines and dryers and it took american manufacturing 2 years to come around.
It's a nice sentiment, but who in their right mind would spend a billion dollars setting up manufacturing for something that you won't even be able to export because every other country has access to the cheaper alternative. If you want more manufacturing in this country it's going to have to be subsidized the same way it is in China.
Trump is the only politician that says something and does it. Tariffs are going to make things a little more expensive to begin with but it will level the playing field. If he deregulats things it will be good for everyone. Just don't think Jina is going to stop sending parts to fix our vehicles we spend to much money with them.
@@LaRaineBartonhmm…thats the direct argument how the far right touted “bidenomics” hurt our economy. That big Cheeto Chip isn’t gonna making things cheaper to help any one but his associates.
And who's gonna build those American engines? The entitled idiot tiktok addicted millennials, zoomers, and Ipad kids that know nothing about anything? If we didn't spend the last 40 years making dumbing down people to be mindless 'consumers' (Consumer in the context of a pig that will just placidly eat any BS garbage you put in front of it.) in order to prop up globalism maybe there'd be enough people intelligent enough to even recognize that everyone being dumb as a river rock so they fall for ALL the scams is a bad plan.
I've used a lot of the Chinese small engine parts, and have had good results. Carburetors, ignition coils, gaskets. For the price I don't think it's too bad.
We are all part of the problem. We all want inexpensive goods. We all shop at Walmart or harbor freight. But we also want to earn a decent wage and have a decent standard of living and not live somewhere where there's sewage in the streets and you can't breathe the air. I live on the coast where we just spent piles of money to expand what is like the third largest container port on the East Coast. If imports coming in dry up, the economy here will be devastated. I think a good part of this is just political bluster. As they always say time will tell, but I'm going to go buy some things like solar panels and lithium batteries before the price goes up. As far as people saying that people are on welfare, our unemployment rate over the last few years is at historic lows. And my 401k has been making more money in the last few months than I made working.
This is it exactly. Everyone complains about the walmart running mom-n-pop stores out of business, ignoring the fact that it was them who refused to shop at the "expensive" little stores when they could save a nickel by going to walmart.
In the 90s American tire companies convinced Congress to add a $20 tariff to Korean tires. After the tariffs the American tire co raised their prices by $20 and told everybody that it was "World rubber prices going up". The Kicker was that they pointed to the Koreans and said, " even the Koreans had to raise their prices ". TARIFF MONEY goes directly into the Treasury Department, it doesn't get spread around to the people affected by the price difference.
You know just as well as i, these parts are easy to cast and reproduce. When the tariffs come, you'll see more things being built here. And it should be great quality like back in the day.
It's not just small engines. As a blacksmith, there's just no way I can compete against chinese goods. I thought about offering garden hoes locally, but when I went to the hardware store just down the street, I found they were selling chinese stuff for less than I could buy the raw materials. What it comes down to, unfortunately, is that folks in the West, the average customer, will refuse to consider the 2nd Order Effects of things they support and vote for. When I priced those "import" garden hoes, I saw several customers quipping about how expensive they were - at a whopping $35, which was basically half what I'd have to charge to just break even. People always complain about how expensive things are, but then they support policies, laws, rules, and taxes that make things more expensive. They complain about how walmart drove small businesses out of town, but forget that the customers refusing to shop with those small businesses is what killed the mom-n-pop. There are always consequences, but too often people are duped into believing there aren't any because the consequences come long after the cause. Case in Point - the minimum wage laws back in the day. It was sold to the people as a good thing that'd raise folks up out of poverty, but all it did was kill small businesses who couldn't afford the new costs because everything they had to buy in was now more expensive since every supplier along the chain of manufacturing was forced to increase their cost to cover the new expense. Everyone fixates on the big corporations, forgetting that the small one-family store was always the backbone of the nation. We talk about the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, but we never think about the million straws that came before and how they prevented the camel from being healthy and productive. Folks keep adding straws, thinking that their straw isn't very heavy and it will surely benefit everyone - especially themselves. Everyone thinks that, so everyone throws a straw on. 2nd Order Effects always come due. Stop and think about why I can't buy the raw materials to make a garden hoe, but somehow it's magically more economical to make it on the other side of the world, ship it across the globe, passing through a dozen hands, for half what it would cost me to make just 5 miles up the road. The propaganda would have you believe that it's just my "corporate greed", but I'm one guy with a dilapidated shop. There's no "corporate" here! I cannot buy the materials because of taxes, minimum wage laws, etc, because I'm at the end of the chain of manufacturing, and everyone upstream of me has to pay their exorbitant taxes and wages and everything else.... which gets passed down the line to me. There's greed, sure, but it's the average person's greed, not the companies. It's the people who want more and more for less and less, and always quick to blame it on someone else. Until we realize that, things will only get worse.
Too much of everything has become Chinesium based. So much of what we buy here has hidden Chinesium parts, parts that are made as cheaply as possible to increase profit margins, and it's gotten worse in the last 4 years (post rhona) in all things mechanical and electrical. Use tariffs to drive it back here, or maybe increase quality and reliability. Either way, life will go on, we will have to pay, hopefully drop in inflation offsets the increase from tariffs.
I sounded the alarm 25 years ago about everything being made in China but apparently it fell on deaf ears because everyone wanted the cheapest price for whatever it was they wanted regardless of where it was made. Now China is catching up to countries like the USA, Japan and Germany. I don't know how to change the shift and I don't think anyone else does either. There isn't a quick fix like we all want -- it will be painful until we can figure out America's place in the world. One thing is certain and that's that we are living in a global market and we can't just decide we're no longer going to participate.
Ive used a lot of Chinese small engine parts (especially carburetors) that were complete junk and a waste of money. If they cost more i won't be tempted to try and use it.
Yeah that's why I try to save oem carbs as much as possible I'll pay more for a rebuild kit and know that once it's dialed in I won't have to worry about it for a long time rather then just slapping a China carb on it and hoping it doesn't fail and it runs decent. From my experience the dimensions on the China carbs are always wrong and the rubber parts are crappy.
They're already over seas nothing has changed, and nothing will change. Labor in the US is so high that every company out there goes overseas to get the child labor for practically nothing, even the tariffs aren't gonna phase any of it....just hit your wallet for a few bucks more.
In a perfect world, it should raise the price on Chinese carbs cam shafts... and lower the price of OEM parts. But yeah I see where ppl will do more replacement for the whole machine rather than fixing and or buying used equipment. Ppl will not spend 1000-1500 $ for used equipment just buy new then they think they will know where everything comes from. My prices have gone down for what I'm getting/making in the past 4 years. It will get worse before it levels out and gets better. Great topic!🔥💯
They will produce cheaper stuff to make up the difference on the tariffs . It used to be Japan . My father in - law fought in the Phillipines and would not buy Japanese made products . The only good thing is china has the factory pollution , what the call a good day for little pollution is around 17 on the scale, staying in for people with respiratory problems here is 4 or 5 !! I find quality problems with bearings , camshafts , carbs , head assemblys , gas hose , chain saw cylinders , etc . And dont fall for " same as oem " !
lots of people assuming manufacturing would return to the US when the whole reason the manufacturing is in China despite their own rising labor costs is the manufacturing and logistics infrastructure that exists there and basically nowhere else on earth.
I agree with you 100%. I just hope some us companies can try to bring stuff back here but not rake us over the coals with prices just to be able to truly say made in USA. Not assembled in USA. with parts built in china.
I have been working and I’m a shop owner of mopeds scooter for over 30 yrs, anyways, small engine market has survive everything from local mini bike manufacturers closed down, to out source of jobs and fabrication, states laws that have restricted the use of it to inflation, union strikes in Italy, lost decade in Japan, bankruptcy of Italian & Indian scooter manufacturers. The rise of boot leg Chinese and Taiwanese scooter imports, (Taiwanese products are way better than Chinese by far) So tariffs may be another challenge to the small engine’s market, but at the end of the they we all know is a niche of people that embraces this product so we will survive, true enthusiasts will always be there so none to be afraid or worried about. Now if Elon Musk convinces Trump to ban small engines over E-motors then we will be done. To my believe that’s what’s on the line not the so called tariff. I will hate to have to buy some high tech BS program to now what went wrong or to be certified by some bureaucrats trying to get money before I get to get mine money in order to fix an Emotor.
Heck Briggs engines weren’t made to last since the kool bore engines came around, wear out quick and ain’t worth rebuilding..all plain bearing and aluminum bore. The only good engines since then were the big cast iron engines or a few sleeved engines like onan for example, even the model 28 Briggs sucks in my opinion, industrial commercial engine with only a cast sleeve still using plain bearings that are part of the sump cover..the Chinese clones like a ducar 212 is by far a better engine that any of the Briggs or Tecumseh engines since they went aluminum, they got rid of the bushings and real bearings when they made the change.
@@zone4garlicfarm I had a big Wisconsin on a log splitter, crank start. Have an Elgin 2 stoke air cooled 2HP boat motor but I think it's a Sears sold Clinton.
@@paulhare662 I had an Eska 3 HP Sears outboard. It had a Tecumseh 2 stroke motor. The same motor was used in Jiffy ice augers, Mantis tillers and many other applications.
i'm thinking wake up call to OEMs here in the U.S. that they need to make more reliable equipment as well as a 2 year dry spell as manufacturers such as Troybult and Husqvarna hoard parts then there will be a flood of cheap parts on the market again for OE and Aftermarket equipment as production catches up with demand, i'm hoping its an awakening that we need to build engines here domestically again and stop shipping all of our manufacturers overseas for needed equipment parts and aftermarket performance parts, i tend to avoid politics in general because most use it to divide instead of to constructively build upon a subject, anyways, be safe out there
I am from Canada. We have been paying way more for junk for far longer than the yanks since forever. Tariffs and other bad trade deals killed Canadian manufacturing many, many decades ago. Guess what? we still have small engines and all of the other consumer crap. We also have harsh enviro laws in regards to small engines. Yet we still have them. The sky isn't falling. You might have to save up more for your toys or think about what it is you are buying and why you are buying it.
Guess shops claiming to be full engine shops will have to find a local machinist to work with again. Ive been making parts for every manufacture you mentioned for myself family and friends for decades since americans decided they wanted cheaper products but did not realize abailability of repair parts and information would suck. Sadest thing is how shitty their finished products are and how fast they will die. Parts i made for all of it will be around longer than any of the factory components. Your problem sir is not tarrifs, its the american consumers drive and willingness to buy cheap over value which they do not understand.
The 17.5Hp - 21Hp Intek Briggs & Scrapp'em compression release, breaking off their camshafts has given Americans lost hope. Cannot buy a good one either. $2000 lawnmower scrapped. Run from them, or make do if you own one....
Fully agree have shown it in video more times then I have fingers I bet. And the kohler splitting it's own block because thread locker was to expensive when cutting corners.
I specifically only keep and run engines supported by Hipa Carb and Labwork on Amazon at this point. If something goes up it will be Carbs, coils, and gasket kits. Part of my laser cutter upgrade in my shop was the rise in cost of gaskets over the last few years. Ethanol in the gas and a supply chain cut off of carbs is the perfect storm to push the go green agenda.
The 'Tariffs' are not going to be so high that there's a noticeable cost rise in a $175 engine, or a $10 gasket set. They're just wanting to even the playing field where our products imported are taxed very highly, and use this as a bargaining tool to get them to drop a percentage. Nobody is going to spend $100 million here to start a shop to press connecting rods because they went up a 1/2 Dollar.
I think youre partially correct, its gonna take 3 years for manufacturing of "new" products (aka a new factory making something that the given company hasn't made before) the real hope is that in conjunction with deregulation and taxation exemptions for new manufacturing the new manufacturers will be able to get up and running in a significantly shortened timetable. It takes about 1-1.5 years to build, outfit, and begin production in a new facility, right now with all the red tape it takes 4-6 years to go through the process of permitting and all the inspections and ecological and nature impact committees that have to give their ok before you can even break ground. If they can cut the red tape to where it takes 1 year to get permission you can be up and running in 2-2.5 years instead of 5.5-7.5
Not exactly the engine manufacturers will just move here to America and desert china then engines will have even more parts available for them and most small engines are made here in America anyway so tariffs won’t effect the industry badly at all actually it’ll make them better because they will all be made here in America so don’t fret everything will be fine
Reminds me; there aren't much for Nappa stores that have or if have, use their machines shops. Custom work maybe if you get more machine tools or also with hand tools? Like, can we get the 21HP Briggs and Stratton OHV single cylinders customized to last like forever with the right care and as cost effective DIY as we can? Do like undoing the planned obsolescence with old school planning to pass down for generations custom shop work or repairs? Makes me think about tig welding cracked or blown stuff and machining or even lately been fascinated and amazed how the Shake The Future YT channel is casting metal with a microwave as DIY as I've ever seen get. Maybe induction coil heating to heat treat parts then grind? DIY home brew hot rodding for life? OK, TMI blah blah procrastination station signing out.
I would really like to see some people with the know how get togegether and do some start-ups for parts and new engines. I'm just glad I've stuck with the older stuff and kept parts and actually have the know how like your self to do things! That said, Yep probably at least a year till someone gets things in the US going but hopefully things won't get put back the way it is now again for quiyte some time. Already seen where a tire place closed down and 1500 people lost jobs because of it being Forgien owned!!!
So when tariffs become in a fact most everything will go up in price and if it's to much people won't be buying so the Chinese will sell there stuff to order countries and a lot of people will only buy stuff if they really need it and for the people that enjoy racing their lawn tractor it will be a thing in the past and the same for other things people do for fun people won't be able to attend it. Company's are not going just move there factory's to the US just because for the tariffs. What I have heard that the Tariffs will be a lot
Along the same lines as to your issues with the tariffs, China owns property and farms here in the USA, grow food stuffs, and ship it to China to feed their people. Are you ok with this? I'm not! The tariffs are going to add a price increase, but that's it. Just like the big three Chevy Ford and Chrysler have gone to engines and transmissions without a dipstick to check the oil or even change the oil. It all changing so we as small engine or backyard mechanics can't do our basic stuff anymore.
It will take time but eventually this will incentivize more American made parts, kind of like the Walmart of parts will open up slightly better quality slightly less the cost of chinesiam.
The way I see it, tariffs will not do any good, china for example. It is still cheaper and more profitable to operate in china with the tariffs than to manufacture in a country like the United States…these china based manufacturers will just put the tariffs on the people who buy their products and it’ll still be the cheaper alternative to name brands or us made products. Of course I’m not expert but all I expect for these tariffs to do is hurt the pocket of Americans.
Yep a lot of government employees that have been sucking the taxpayers and sitting on their ass will now bitch about can’t find a job. It’s hard to get someone to hire you if you want work. As for China don’t you feel better that it’s their slave labor creating those cheap parts. The Bidens made millions from China. I for one sleep better at night right before I get up every morning and go to work.
Hopefully it forces the so called "American" companies to bring their manufacturing back where it belongs. If it costs a little more up front for a much better longer lasting product you really aren't paying more....by the time you take into account buying a cheaper engine or part, then having to rebuild it or the carburetor all the time, what have you saved? Nothing. I do know that the engine in the new lawn tractor I'm picking up in a couple weeks is close to 1/2 the cost of the whole machine, so between the engine and transaxle, you basically get the frame and body free, you are just buying the engine/transaxle LOL.
I guess the pulling world is slightly different. I have an easier time with American based companies to get my products. It’s also a different type of market compared to the racing world
Yes it is. Every carb upgrade for us is china. upgraded coils and pvl's are china. Heads and valves are china. Even true Honda racing heads are "Finished" in the USA.
@@redneckcomputergeek I've used chinese carbs in my shop in the past. It got to the point where I was spending more time trying to get them working correctly, often times having to use the old jets out of the original carburetor, that it wound up being cheaper and easier just to rebuild the original to begin with. And those chinese rebuild kits... the jets are NEVER correctly sized. They are only good for the o-rings, and even that is hit or miss sometimes 🤷♂
We can make everything here in the states. That is how it should be. I work in small engines and I support Trump's move. Saving our country is the most important task.
Here is your chance... Start a manufacturing plant. Make small engines in USA .. i know your going to have withdrawals, but in the end if we don't stop being addicted to other countries making our stuff, we will die .. we are on the way now. The only way we save America is once again make it all here.
if we as Americans bring back Manufacturing to our country, we get jobs, we get people off welfare, im all for Tariffs, lets start making stuff here again...sorry,, its the way I see it.
This is why I said I am planning on a 2 year dry spell. They did the same to washing machines and dryers and it took american manufacturing 2 years to come around.
It's a nice sentiment, but who in their right mind would spend a billion dollars setting up manufacturing for something that you won't even be able to export because every other country has access to the cheaper alternative. If you want more manufacturing in this country it's going to have to be subsidized the same way it is in China.
Trump is the only politician that says something and does it. Tariffs are going to make things a little more expensive to begin with but it will level the playing field. If he deregulats things it will be good for everyone. Just don't think Jina is going to stop sending parts to fix our vehicles we spend to much money with them.
@@LaRaineBartonhmm…thats the direct argument how the far right touted “bidenomics” hurt our economy. That big Cheeto Chip isn’t gonna making things cheaper to help any one but his associates.
What a drama queen. Don't rebuild b&s? What a copout. Your a high end snob. Bet you've got a nice hourly rate to pay for your man child toys......
It might get alittle more expensive. OR these engines should be USA made again, have some USA pride again.
And who's gonna build those American engines? The entitled idiot tiktok addicted millennials, zoomers, and Ipad kids that know nothing about anything? If we didn't spend the last 40 years making dumbing down people to be mindless 'consumers' (Consumer in the context of a pig that will just placidly eat any BS garbage you put in front of it.) in order to prop up globalism maybe there'd be enough people intelligent enough to even recognize that everyone being dumb as a river rock so they fall for ALL the scams is a bad plan.
A 10% tariff can do all that? Everything we buy in America has gone up 50%-100%.
just rember you get what you pay for. Myself tired of cheap junk that china sells here alot of small engine repair shops refuse to install this crap
Here in my shop, we not only refuse to install it, we refuse to WORK on anything chinese. Unless it is a known name brand... sorry.
@@rebeltaz123 As it should be. China can F themselves.
I've used a lot of the Chinese small engine parts, and have had good results. Carburetors, ignition coils, gaskets. For the price I don't think it's too bad.
Withdrawal can be painful.
Dude you can't even speculate until he's in office and you find out what the tariffs are gonna be.
We are all part of the problem. We all want inexpensive goods. We all shop at Walmart or harbor freight. But we also want to earn a decent wage and have a decent standard of living and not live somewhere where there's sewage in the streets and you can't breathe the air. I live on the coast where we just spent piles of money to expand what is like the third largest container port on the East Coast. If imports coming in dry up, the economy here will be devastated. I think a good part of this is just political bluster. As they always say time will tell, but I'm going to go buy some things like solar panels and lithium batteries before the price goes up. As far as people saying that people are on welfare, our unemployment rate over the last few years is at historic lows. And my 401k has been making more money in the last few months than I made working.
This is it exactly. Everyone complains about the walmart running mom-n-pop stores out of business, ignoring the fact that it was them who refused to shop at the "expensive" little stores when they could save a nickel by going to walmart.
In the 90s American tire companies convinced Congress to add a $20 tariff to Korean tires. After the tariffs the American tire co raised their prices by $20 and told everybody that it was "World rubber prices going up". The Kicker was that they pointed to the Koreans and said,
" even the Koreans had to raise their prices ".
TARIFF MONEY goes directly into the Treasury Department, it doesn't get spread around to the people affected by the price difference.
Yes, before Elon and Vivek...you're absolutely correct. Now??.....nope, enjoy!
@NonTypicalRacing You're counting your chickens before the eggs hatch, maybe you could explain what you mean by after Elon and Vivek.
@@charleschapman2428 Elon and Vivek can't be bought. They aren't corrupt. They are going after the corruption and wasteful spending in our government.
@@NonTypicalRacingYou don't get it. Elon and Vivek are the problem not the solution.
Money will be made where at all possible
I like trump. But you are correct not much is made here. Just assembled here. Hopefully this will start changing.
Hmm it's isn't just small engines it's 95% of everything manufactured !
You know just as well as i, these parts are easy to cast and reproduce. When the tariffs come, you'll see more things being built here. And it should be great quality like back in the day.
I can't wait. Made in America will mean something again.
It's not just small engines. As a blacksmith, there's just no way I can compete against chinese goods. I thought about offering garden hoes locally, but when I went to the hardware store just down the street, I found they were selling chinese stuff for less than I could buy the raw materials.
What it comes down to, unfortunately, is that folks in the West, the average customer, will refuse to consider the 2nd Order Effects of things they support and vote for. When I priced those "import" garden hoes, I saw several customers quipping about how expensive they were - at a whopping $35, which was basically half what I'd have to charge to just break even. People always complain about how expensive things are, but then they support policies, laws, rules, and taxes that make things more expensive. They complain about how walmart drove small businesses out of town, but forget that the customers refusing to shop with those small businesses is what killed the mom-n-pop.
There are always consequences, but too often people are duped into believing there aren't any because the consequences come long after the cause. Case in Point - the minimum wage laws back in the day. It was sold to the people as a good thing that'd raise folks up out of poverty, but all it did was kill small businesses who couldn't afford the new costs because everything they had to buy in was now more expensive since every supplier along the chain of manufacturing was forced to increase their cost to cover the new expense. Everyone fixates on the big corporations, forgetting that the small one-family store was always the backbone of the nation.
We talk about the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, but we never think about the million straws that came before and how they prevented the camel from being healthy and productive. Folks keep adding straws, thinking that their straw isn't very heavy and it will surely benefit everyone - especially themselves. Everyone thinks that, so everyone throws a straw on.
2nd Order Effects always come due. Stop and think about why I can't buy the raw materials to make a garden hoe, but somehow it's magically more economical to make it on the other side of the world, ship it across the globe, passing through a dozen hands, for half what it would cost me to make just 5 miles up the road.
The propaganda would have you believe that it's just my "corporate greed", but I'm one guy with a dilapidated shop. There's no "corporate" here! I cannot buy the materials because of taxes, minimum wage laws, etc, because I'm at the end of the chain of manufacturing, and everyone upstream of me has to pay their exorbitant taxes and wages and everything else.... which gets passed down the line to me.
There's greed, sure, but it's the average person's greed, not the companies. It's the people who want more and more for less and less, and always quick to blame it on someone else. Until we realize that, things will only get worse.
Bring the manufacturer's back home
Too much of everything has become Chinesium based. So much of what we buy here has hidden Chinesium parts, parts that are made as cheaply as possible to increase profit margins, and it's gotten worse in the last 4 years (post rhona) in all things mechanical and electrical. Use tariffs to drive it back here, or maybe increase quality and reliability. Either way, life will go on, we will have to pay, hopefully drop in inflation offsets the increase from tariffs.
I sounded the alarm 25 years ago about everything being made in China but apparently it fell on deaf ears because everyone wanted the cheapest price for whatever it was they wanted regardless of where it was made. Now China is catching up to countries like the USA, Japan and Germany. I don't know how to change the shift and I don't think anyone else does either. There isn't a quick fix like we all want -- it will be painful until we can figure out America's place in the world. One thing is certain and that's that we are living in a global market and we can't just decide we're no longer going to participate.
Ive used a lot of Chinese small engine parts (especially carburetors) that were complete junk and a waste of money. If they cost more i won't be tempted to try and use it.
Yeah that's why I try to save oem carbs as much as possible I'll pay more for a rebuild kit and know that once it's dialed in I won't have to worry about it for a long time rather then just slapping a China carb on it and hoping it doesn't fail and it runs decent. From my experience the dimensions on the China carbs are always wrong and the rubber parts are crappy.
Driving all the domestic small engine makers out of business.
They're already over seas nothing has changed, and nothing will change. Labor in the US is so high that every company out there goes overseas to get the child labor for practically nothing, even the tariffs aren't gonna phase any of it....just hit your wallet for a few bucks more.
It just means that manufacturing will come back to America. The market isn't just going to disappear, as I don't see demand going away.
In a perfect world, it should raise the price on Chinese carbs cam shafts... and lower the price of OEM parts. But yeah I see where ppl will do more replacement for the whole machine rather than fixing and or buying used equipment. Ppl will not spend 1000-1500 $ for used equipment just buy new then they think they will know where everything comes from. My prices have gone down for what I'm getting/making in the past 4 years. It will get worse before it levels out and gets better. Great topic!🔥💯
They will produce cheaper stuff to make up the difference on the tariffs . It used to be Japan . My father in - law fought in the Phillipines and would not buy Japanese made products . The only good thing is china has the factory pollution , what the call a good day for little pollution is around 17 on the scale, staying in for people with respiratory problems here is 4 or 5 !! I find quality problems with bearings , camshafts , carbs , head assemblys , gas hose , chain saw cylinders , etc . And dont fall for " same as oem " !
lots of people assuming manufacturing would return to the US when the whole reason the manufacturing is in China despite their own rising labor costs is the manufacturing and logistics infrastructure that exists there and basically nowhere else on earth.
I agree with you 100%. I just hope some us companies can try to bring stuff back here but not rake us over the coals with prices just to be able to truly say made in USA. Not assembled in USA. with parts built in china.
I have been working and I’m a shop owner of mopeds scooter for over 30 yrs, anyways, small engine market has survive everything from local mini bike manufacturers closed down, to out source of jobs and fabrication, states laws that have restricted the use of it to inflation, union strikes in Italy, lost decade in Japan, bankruptcy of Italian & Indian scooter manufacturers. The rise of boot leg Chinese and Taiwanese scooter imports, (Taiwanese products are way better than Chinese by far)
So tariffs may be another challenge to the small engine’s market, but at the end of the they we all know is a niche of people that embraces this product so we will survive, true enthusiasts will always be there so none to be afraid or worried about.
Now if Elon Musk convinces Trump to ban small engines over E-motors then we will be done. To my believe that’s what’s on the line not the so called tariff.
I will hate to have to buy some high tech BS program to now what went wrong or to be certified by some bureaucrats trying to get money before I get to get mine money in order to fix an Emotor.
Give me government money to subsidize building engines in the USA
The engines are not made to last like they used too . The chassis these days will be junk before the engine breaks in .
I would rate that a 50/50. The deck failing long before the rest of the machine is the big problem up north where I am.
Heck Briggs engines weren’t made to last since the kool bore engines came around, wear out quick and ain’t worth rebuilding..all plain bearing and aluminum bore.
The only good engines since then were the big cast iron engines or a few sleeved engines like onan for example, even the model 28 Briggs sucks in my opinion, industrial commercial engine with only a cast sleeve still using plain bearings that are part of the sump cover..the Chinese clones like a ducar 212 is by far a better engine that any of the Briggs or Tecumseh engines since they went aluminum, they got rid of the bushings and real bearings when they made the change.
its freaking 10% at most 100 dollar thing would be 110 gas going down 30% will make it go down more than the mark up
Good thing I saved all my Briggs, Lauson, Reo, Kohler, Continental and Clinton engines.
What about Wisconsin, Linamar, Elgin and Onan?
@@zone4garlicfarm I had a big Wisconsin on a log splitter, crank start. Have an Elgin 2 stoke air cooled 2HP boat motor but I think it's a Sears sold Clinton.
@@paulhare662 I had an Eska 3 HP Sears outboard. It had a Tecumseh 2 stroke motor. The same motor was used in Jiffy ice augers, Mantis tillers and many other applications.
i'm thinking wake up call to OEMs here in the U.S. that they need to make more reliable equipment as well as a 2 year dry spell as manufacturers such as Troybult and Husqvarna hoard parts then there will be a flood of cheap parts on the market again for OE and Aftermarket equipment as production catches up with demand, i'm hoping its an awakening that we need to build engines here domestically again and stop shipping all of our manufacturers overseas for needed equipment parts and aftermarket performance parts, i tend to avoid politics in general because most use it to divide instead of to constructively build upon a subject, anyways, be safe out there
I mean, plenty of people will just pay the 20% more.
Maybe no more income tax, maybe no more Fed Reserve 🎉
I am from Canada. We have been paying way more for junk for far longer than the yanks since forever. Tariffs and other bad trade deals killed Canadian manufacturing many, many decades ago. Guess what? we still have small engines and all of the other consumer crap. We also have harsh enviro laws in regards to small engines. Yet we still have them. The sky isn't falling. You might have to save up more for your toys or think about what it is you are buying and why you are buying it.
Guess shops claiming to be full engine shops will have to find a local machinist to work with again. Ive been making parts for every manufacture you mentioned for myself family and friends for decades since americans decided they wanted cheaper products but did not realize abailability of repair parts and information would suck. Sadest thing is how shitty their finished products are and how fast they will die. Parts i made for all of it will be around longer than any of the factory components. Your problem sir is not tarrifs, its the american consumers drive and willingness to buy cheap over value which they do not understand.
The 17.5Hp - 21Hp Intek Briggs & Scrapp'em compression release, breaking off their camshafts has given Americans lost hope. Cannot buy a good one either. $2000 lawnmower scrapped. Run from them, or make do if you own one....
Fully agree have shown it in video more times then I have fingers I bet. And the kohler splitting it's own block because thread locker was to expensive when cutting corners.
Tariffs will force the manufacturers to open plants in America. What's the problem?
What would you suggest to buy while we can before it gets too high or can't find it ?
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I specifically only keep and run engines supported by Hipa Carb and Labwork on Amazon at this point. If something goes up it will be Carbs, coils, and gasket kits. Part of my laser cutter upgrade in my shop was the rise in cost of gaskets over the last few years. Ethanol in the gas and a supply chain cut off of carbs is the perfect storm to push the go green agenda.
Not enough people see the high cost of cheap junk.
We've slid a long way down hill... Has it become impossible to manufacture in the USA?
I think it's going to be a 2 year dry spell but we still have to start making things in the USA again
The 'Tariffs' are not going to be so high that there's a noticeable cost rise in a $175 engine, or a $10 gasket set. They're just wanting to even the playing field where our products imported are taxed very highly, and use this as a bargaining tool to get them to drop a percentage. Nobody is going to spend $100 million here to start a shop to press connecting rods because they went up a 1/2 Dollar.
If you raise import prices it gives made in USA a buffer to charge more for their products costing Americans even more
Awesome video God Bless you and your family Amen
I think youre partially correct, its gonna take 3 years for manufacturing of "new" products (aka a new factory making something that the given company hasn't made before) the real hope is that in conjunction with deregulation and taxation exemptions for new manufacturing the new manufacturers will be able to get up and running in a significantly shortened timetable. It takes about 1-1.5 years to build, outfit, and begin production in a new facility, right now with all the red tape it takes 4-6 years to go through the process of permitting and all the inspections and ecological and nature impact committees that have to give their ok before you can even break ground. If they can cut the red tape to where it takes 1 year to get permission you can be up and running in 2-2.5 years instead of 5.5-7.5
That’s a great point! I think many people miss the added time and effort it takes to build a new factory.
It’s all about greed and labor costs
Not exactly the engine manufacturers will just move here to America and desert china then engines will have even more parts available for them and most small engines are made here in America anyway so tariffs won’t effect the industry badly at all actually it’ll make them better because they will all be made here in America so don’t fret everything will be fine
Canada about to be the center of a huge black market.
This is why I focus on Ducar. They are a Canada design but again made in china.
Sadly that isn't how it works. If Yanks paid what we pay for stuff they would poop their pants.
Reminds me; there aren't much for Nappa stores that have or if have, use their machines shops. Custom work maybe if you get more machine tools or also with hand tools? Like, can we get the 21HP Briggs and Stratton OHV single cylinders customized to last like forever with the right care and as cost effective DIY as we can? Do like undoing the planned obsolescence with old school planning to pass down for generations custom shop work or repairs? Makes me think about tig welding cracked or blown stuff and machining or even lately been fascinated and amazed how the Shake The Future YT channel is casting metal with a microwave as DIY as I've ever seen get. Maybe induction coil heating to heat treat parts then grind? DIY home brew hot rodding for life? OK, TMI blah blah procrastination station signing out.
I would really like to see some people with the know how get togegether and do some start-ups for parts and new engines. I'm just glad I've stuck with the older stuff and kept parts and actually have the know how like your self to do things! That said, Yep probably at least a year till someone gets things in the US going but hopefully things won't get put back the way it is now again for quiyte some time. Already seen where a tire place closed down and 1500 people lost jobs because of it being Forgien owned!!!
So when tariffs become in a fact most everything will go up in price and if it's to much people won't be buying so the Chinese will sell there stuff to order countries and a lot of people will only buy stuff if they really need it and for the people that enjoy racing their lawn tractor it will be a thing in the past and the same for other things people do for fun people won't be able to attend it. Company's are not going just move there factory's to the US just because for the tariffs. What I have heard that the Tariffs will be a lot
Along the same lines as to your issues with the tariffs, China owns property and farms here in the USA, grow food stuffs, and ship it to China to feed their people. Are you ok with this? I'm not! The tariffs are going to add a price increase, but that's it. Just like the big three Chevy Ford and Chrysler have gone to engines and transmissions without a dipstick to check the oil or even change the oil. It all changing so we as small engine or backyard mechanics can't do our basic stuff anymore.
It will take time but eventually this will incentivize more American made parts, kind of like the Walmart of parts will open up slightly better quality slightly less the cost of chinesiam.
I feel your right about slect repairs do to prices going up
The way I see it, tariffs will not do any good, china for example.
It is still cheaper and more profitable to operate in china with the tariffs than to manufacture in a country like the United States…these china based manufacturers will just put the tariffs on the people who buy their products and it’ll still be the cheaper alternative to name brands or us made products.
Of course I’m not expert but all I expect for these tariffs to do is hurt the pocket of Americans.
I think it's about to get ugly. Two years is optimistic at best.
Yep a lot of government employees that have been sucking the taxpayers and sitting on their ass will now bitch about can’t find a job. It’s hard to get someone to hire you if you want work. As for China don’t you feel better that it’s their slave labor creating those cheap parts. The Bidens made millions from China. I for one sleep better at night right before I get up every morning and go to work.
Made in America always are better quality. I'll pay the difference.
Once 3d printing comes in full day by to reapairs.😅
It could end up like the GPU market.
Its fine...everything is fine.
Hopefully it forces the so called "American" companies to bring their manufacturing back where it belongs. If it costs a little more up front for a much better longer lasting product you really aren't paying more....by the time you take into account buying a cheaper engine or part, then having to rebuild it or the carburetor all the time, what have you saved? Nothing.
I do know that the engine in the new lawn tractor I'm picking up in a couple weeks is close to 1/2 the cost of the whole machine, so between the engine and transaxle, you basically get the frame and body free, you are just buying the engine/transaxle LOL.
I guess the pulling world is slightly different. I have an easier time with American based companies to get my products. It’s also a different type of market compared to the racing world
Yes it is. Every carb upgrade for us is china. upgraded coils and pvl's are china. Heads and valves are china. Even true Honda racing heads are "Finished" in the USA.
@@redneckcomputergeek I've used chinese carbs in my shop in the past. It got to the point where I was spending more time trying to get them working correctly, often times having to use the old jets out of the original carburetor, that it wound up being cheaper and easier just to rebuild the original to begin with. And those chinese rebuild kits... the jets are NEVER correctly sized. They are only good for the o-rings, and even that is hit or miss sometimes 🤷♂
We can make everything here in the states. That is how it should be. I work in small engines and I support Trump's move. Saving our country is the most important task.
then trumpus starts all price goes up
Here is your chance... Start a manufacturing plant. Make small engines in USA .. i know your going to have withdrawals, but in the end if we don't stop being addicted to other countries making our stuff, we will die .. we are on the way now. The only way we save America is once again make it all here.
Lol.....WHAT??? The end of the threat to racing and the end of chinesium parts! THAT'S wassup bro. TRUMP'24 🔧🔩⚙️👍🏻
China knock offs are better quality sad to say!