How Much is Enough? | Dojo Talks

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  • @owenkelliher4927
    @owenkelliher4927 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I don’t think I will ever be satisfied. No matter what level I’m at I’m going to be fixated on eradicating my mistakes and poor decision making. I really relate to that Polgar quote where she says something along the lines of “The hardest thing in chess is living up to our own expectations about ourselves.” Oh well, if I shoot for the stars I might just land on the moon. So that’s good

  • @keithwald5349
    @keithwald5349 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "IM's are good people; there's nothing wrong with them."

    • @sarterus
      @sarterus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Haha, that whole comment was emtional

  • @radioforthebirds
    @radioforthebirds 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I remember seeing some Q&A session with Kasparov like 10 years ago (I think it was at Google), where some employee was asking him something like "I'm not trying to be best in the world or anything, but what are some steps I can take to improve at chess", and Kasparov just snapped at him "Why? If you're not trying to be world champion, why do you need to improve at chess? To impress your friends?". And that was the whole answer. That answer has been haunting my mind for like 10 years and I think about it at least every time someone talks about improving. And really... why? I get that from the perspective of the world champion, you're either a contender for the title, or you're just mid - and there is no glory really, it's probably even a little embarrassing to be spending your time trying to be better than some other guy who is also mid - so just play and enjoy yourself and don't worry about "improving".
    Other people may have their own goals, but often we just default to: "I'm playing to improve at chess" or "I'm doing art to improve at art", etc. without really thinking about why. I'm a jack of all trades, and go in for a ton of hobbies, and this is pretty much everyone's default attitude in everything - I think they just say it because they think they're supposed to say it - "I'm working on improving". It reminds me of what Alan Watts used to say about meditation - if you're meditating in order to improve your focus or personality or something, then you're not really meditating - it has to be an end in itself.
    Anyway, it's probably more important to ask "why" and that might answer the "how much" for you. I really wish I could find that Kasparov Q&A but it seems to be buried in the internet somewhere... Has anyone else seen it?

    • @lazydetective4774
      @lazydetective4774 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why I for many years wanted to improve: I felt I hadnt reached my potential, and I just needed to feel I had done my best. Now I am overrated and not as interested in playing and improving as before.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What's more embarrassing is getting old and finding out that, family and friends aside, we have lived empty lives surrounded my meaningless material things instead of pursuing things that give us true happiness. Hobbies are important. I could ask Kasparov also why does he need to be world champion? We don't need to do anything. Our lives are meaningless in the grand scheme of the universe. My only responsibility is to me and my loved ones. So Kasparov can suck it.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lazydetective4774 . Rating is irrelevant. The question is what would you rather do with your time?

    • @radioforthebirds
      @radioforthebirds 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MrSupernova111 Money, glory, fame, respect, women... I think it's pretty clear why someone wants to be world champion. There's something telling about a criticism of improvement being taken as a criticism of the hobby itself, as if those things are so closely intertwined that it's hard to tell them apart. That's sort of the point. Don't get me wrong, I think chess is only fun when you take it seriously, but if a player's entire experience of it is mediated by an arbitrary need to improve, then they're really never just playing the game, it's annoying. Imagine having a conversation with someone who is only talking to you because they want to improve their conversation skills.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@radioforthebirds . Let's take it a step further. What happens when you have all the material things and fame in the world that you wished for? Then what do you do with your time? Plenty of rich and famous people have fallen into depression and taken their own lives. Maybe riches and fame should be a by product of doing things that we love and enjoy. Just a thought!

  • @Chill_Pills
    @Chill_Pills 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    My answer used to be that it is never enough and then I realized that all the expert and master level players are just so stressed out at all these tournaments because even a draw against a pretty good player ruins their tournament. It honestly seems like something I really would not enjoy at all. I am a class A player and that is good enough for me.

  • @MindsetByDave
    @MindsetByDave 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Absolutely fantastic topic Gents. Thank you for having this discussion. 🙌

  • @germank7924
    @germank7924 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    you can see David kept his eyes on the ball when he was able to produce the FTE number, full time equivalent

  • @drewclark1920
    @drewclark1920 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    rating goals are tough! They can be really psychologically tough to hold on to.

  • @Diffusion8
    @Diffusion8 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Really interesting conversation guys, thanks for doing this! Very thought provoking! 🤔

  • @marcofrey2903
    @marcofrey2903 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I guess I'd want to keep pushing until I hit some wall, some real plateau. And then I'd have to come to terms with that. But I've really surprised myself as an adult improver going from 1200 to 1800 in a few years. Maybe 2000 Fide by age 40 would be really cool. I'm not in a hurry.

  • @synesthetically
    @synesthetically 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great episode!

  • @Yornek1
    @Yornek1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Come on Kostya, you’ve got to make GM!! You can do it man ‼️

  • @BMac7773
    @BMac7773 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very humble guys.

  • @elindauer
    @elindauer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You can see in the rating data that lots of players have rating levels they are striving for, there are peaks at all the round hundred numbers where players ran well, hit a goal, and quit. It’s dramatic around 2000 which also makes sense. IMO though, better to set goals around daily improvement, I want to practice this much, I want to focus on endgames, whatever, and let the rating take care of itself. ❤

  • @sarterus
    @sarterus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the idea of physical dojo houses

  • @connormonday
    @connormonday 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    1936 USCF is enough.
    This is the only answer.

  • @zah936
    @zah936 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Heeeyyyyy, you three!!!❤❤❤

  • @anthonyparks505
    @anthonyparks505 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I used to think 1800 USCF, but after kids I truly do not give a shit, it is not important. I hope that I can show my kid chess in a few years, and have fun playing some games. I wont ever be satisfied with the quality of the depth of my thinking and the selection process behind my moves. Any improvements in that over the years are welcome.

  • @trumanvpmusic
    @trumanvpmusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Really thoughtful, great content. Keep up the good work!

    • @ChessDojo
      @ChessDojo  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks!

  • @bluefin.64
    @bluefin.64 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm like David in that even if I achieve my rating goal, I know it won't be enough. I expect I'll stop caring, though, when it's clear I've hit an impassable barrier. I might stop playing at that point. I have other interests to explore that don't eat your soul.
    On Neal Bruce, what did you guys expect? You told the world he's going to fail. It was mortifying to listen to even as someone uninvolved. (Sorry, but I had to say something. I've been publicly humiliated, and I totally sympathize with Neal.)
    Criticism aside, you made a topic that sounded boring interesting and fun. Good talk.

  • @Yornek1
    @Yornek1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As soon as I start these videos I hit the like button!!!

  • @sarterus
    @sarterus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Kosta nailed it your content is aimed at the top 1% of players. Adding a creator at the 600 to 1400 level intros would create larger appeal. Exclusive is not bad.

    • @sdaiwepm
      @sdaiwepm 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gotham already owns the beginner market.

  • @michaelf8221
    @michaelf8221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So if you all agree you want to grow by a factor of 3x... That begs the question: how do you plan to get from here to there?

  • @raylopez99
    @raylopez99 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "enough" is "enough".

  • @Nemtomi
    @Nemtomi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why would anyone cancel their membership?? 😮😢

  • @MrSupernova111
    @MrSupernova111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't know. I originally wanted to break 2k online which I did years ago. Now I want NM in the USA. We'll see. lol

  • @abcsorensen
    @abcsorensen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the answer to how much is enough was summed up by Schopenhauer's saying, "A man can do what he wants, but not want what he wants."

  • @althompson3085
    @althompson3085 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Should be a mentor just to get started. I want to improve my chess.

  • @mcronrn
    @mcronrn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I recently learned chess and have just broken the 1000 barrier on Lichess! I’m super excited and think I can be an FM in 2 years, if I work hard enough! I’ll let you know my progress!!

    • @simonhinkel4086
      @simonhinkel4086 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😬😬

    • @jcup4702
      @jcup4702 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Denial

    • @Nemtomi
      @Nemtomi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Are you sure?

    • @jcup4702
      @jcup4702 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sounds like the honeymoon goggles to me. Soon enough they are gonna hit a wall and get a hard reality check.

  • @theinacircleoftheancientpu492
    @theinacircleoftheancientpu492 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I want an FM title, but I could happily get infinitely better at chess.

  • @Nemtomi
    @Nemtomi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Very low rated players" - you're talking about me?? o.O

  • @johnmack7050
    @johnmack7050 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how many hours a day would you recommend for a student. obviously life gets in the way and do what you can. but is there an amount you would recommend to a student?

    • @chesscomdpruess
      @chesscomdpruess 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Depends on the student, and what else they are doing in their life. For some people 1 hour a day is good, for others 12.

  • @Meelenko
    @Meelenko 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm satisfied with my rating - if anything it's too high for my ability because I prepare for opponents religiously.
    What I would really like is not to forget old things so quickly (openings, endgame technique, and strategic ideas) once I lean them. There is so much width to chess I can't seem to keep it all in my mind. There are so many concepts that if I just want to repeat and practice each one, one week is not enough. If it appears on the board a month or two after a lesson... it's gone already. My brain is too old.

    • @chesscomdpruess
      @chesscomdpruess 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I know that feeling, and I agree it would be so nice to be able to at least hold onto our already-gained knowledge!

  • @ChessSniper
    @ChessSniper 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No. Never enough. What kind of question is that?!

  • @althompson3085
    @althompson3085 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have major problems just getting started. Now I can't even log on. Never got to interact with a cohort.

    • @Nemtomi
      @Nemtomi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can just start with analyzing your own games. Cohort can wait.

  • @alsatusmd1A13
    @alsatusmd1A13 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2300 (2100 for women) is high enough ELO for FIDE to call someone a master at OTB play. The various grades of mastership are kind of just splitting hairs.

    • @ishanr8697
      @ishanr8697 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      On the contrary, a 2500 is so much more skilled and knowledgeable than a 2300. A 2700 is out of sight for a 2300. World champ? Another league still.

  • @abcsorensen
    @abcsorensen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Recruit Witty Alien to the Dojo! Or any young, talented streamer out there, really. Someone who is on the way to GM.

    • @abcsorensen
      @abcsorensen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not that Kostya won't make GM, but adding a fourth titled player who is younger would be interesting. It could 1000x the value of your company and conversations.

  • @juhonieminen4219
    @juhonieminen4219 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It feels unfair that too deep and smart content is limited to above 1200 players (or higher) and gets small percentage of views compared to easy entertainment. But at least in chess you can measure it by elo and say it out loud. The same propably applyes to many fields, like music, where you can't measure it. When I was more into music I could not believe the charts and how terrible music was regularly at the Top 10, just because of a pretty face and obvious autotune and because it was marketed heavily by the big corporations.
    Those artists had music-ELO belove 1200 and the buyers had music-ELO of 600.

  • @BrenoPartilha
    @BrenoPartilha 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It was just me or did Jesse Kraai just said something in the line of "work 3 hours by heart and 1 for the exercises"?
    Maybe comrade Kraai is the most truthful to communism when considering the three of you, after all

  • @DemirHadzhaismail
    @DemirHadzhaismail 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    First! Great Video BTW❤

  • @morphykg1503
    @morphykg1503 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How did the Dojo find the Magnus Carlsen of chess programmers?

    • @ChessDojo
      @ChessDojo  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He was in the program!

    • @morphykg1503
      @morphykg1503 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChessDojo😍

  • @peterbago4574
    @peterbago4574 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If GM title would come with a granted one million dollars, do you think people would still become GM after age 40 or 50? So is it possible just not practical? Or impossible at all?

  • @althompson3085
    @althompson3085 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well, I already do that. I don't think you arw DOJO.

  • @Nemtomi
    @Nemtomi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    David's attitude of "grow grow grow" sounds way too capitalistic. There's no way he's a communist!😅

    • @jcup4702
      @jcup4702 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I think David re-iterated the mantra: enjoy what you already have a couple of times, which I believe falls more into his type of thinking.

  • @PhoenixMK6
    @PhoenixMK6 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2