Were the Moors Who Invaded Spain Black?
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Oh boy, better grab my armor before heading into the comment section.
Regardless, very well done video
Yes that what happens when Sub Saharans try and claim civilisations and people that are unrelated to them.
@@ajporsche4633 you will rarely if ever, hear sub-saharan africans claim that the ppl of north africa were overwhelmingly black... These arguments comes from some black people across the atlantic
@@EmilReiko yes I agree, it's some Sub Saharan Americans.
@@EmilReiko the Moors were overwhelmingly black. Even classical Europeans tell you dummies this.
@@knowledgeseeker8582 no they were not they were mostly beber. The sub Saharan factor was very minimal compared to the beber
Since I live in Africa for about 10 years and met people from different countries I can say the continent is big and obviously it’s inhabitants can have diverse features. 🌍
I guess the point is that view on history can be too Americanized or based on its racial category system. 🇺🇸
Yes
America wants all ancient people black
Don't you watch our media
I was really impressed with how detailed, but also academically cautious this video was. It's this sort of intellectual effort and honesty that I think more people creating independent informational content online would do well to borrow from you.
Stfu
Your acceptance without analysis is an indication of prejudice.
This was Always self evident to me, because there was a German mercenary who wrote about Brazil when he came here to fight for the portuguese, his name was Hanz Staden, and he mentions black Moors and White Moors in his book
Research what Abd al-Rahman III looked like.
that's Because Morocco always had a black legion in their army, it reached it's height in the 1700s when it became the exlusive army of the country taking weapons from all tribes and becomin the tax colectors for the sultan himself directly, one of the reasons Morocco's central power colapsed when said sultan died
@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 It doesn't matter what Abdul-Rahmam III looked like because at the end of the day he was a memember of the Umayyad dynasty a well known Arab family from the city of Mecca.
This video is much more in depth and clarifies the diversity of Moors in an accurate and historical sense. Keep up the good work, Jabari!
The leadership was Arabian.
The leadership in Al Andalus was at times Arabian and at times moors
@@rohaaniidaalii9758 There's no such Islamic empire that ever called itself by the term Moors! The term Moors was a derogatory term used by the Europeans to describe Muslims that ruled Al Andalusian Spain. Al Andalusian Spain was conquered under the Ummayad flag whose Caliphate flag. The later dynasties were Berbers, none called themselves Moors.
@@ajporsche4633 the term Moor was used to describe people based on their phenotype. It was used to apply to all Muslims starting 1700s.
@@knowledgeseeker8582 yes by the Europeans as no Islamic empire ever called themselves Moors.
I'm a Amazhigh, (Or Berber) And I think your presentation was very well done. I love learning about my continents history, and your TH-cam channel is very informative, and I wish their where more channels that talked about African history.
You not amazigh get out stupid
Moors not black
Moors arabs almost from yeman and Levantines
And berbers (arabized)
Black people dream in this time black jumping without clothes in jungles
Your indigenous or white Arab invader
Moors as a term is closer to crusader, crusaders were not all one united demographic. They were united by a common cause, the spreading of Islam, but they where also rivals to each other and would all likely hail from differing regions.
Yeah, there were genetic studies that show that there were plenty of middle eastern crusaders as well. That's a pretty decent comparison in my opinion.
Just like the Crusaders used the term Saracen for Arabs, Kurds, Persian Muslims.
I think most confusion comes from modern people trying to redefine a word that the French, English, Spanish, and Portuguese all were very clear about. They all depicted and described moors as black. It's only recently people are trying to say moors included a coalition of people. There were berbers, arabs, spanish and Portuguese fighting on the same side. They often depict it as such with spanish/portugues having blonde hair, and arabs black hair, and what they labeled as moors were black. Theres a book on Spanish muslim life written in 1100 I believe where the only person referred to as a moor in the book was a black. The rest were all Spanish muslims and it's often conflated that they were all moors even when only one is exclusively labeled a moor playing chess.
@@choicesii1 aka ? No they didn't! The painting your talking about are 18th century paintings done by orientalists long after the Arabians and Berbers had left Spain!
@@ajporsche4633 if I've come to understand anything about you is you know very little but comment on everything. Depictions of moors in the 18th century are based on paintings from earlier periods. The spanish depicted arabs, spanish, and people they deemed the moors. That's why the word means black. Trying to lump everyone into being the moors is rewriting a defined word, with defined depictions across many languages.
I just want to point out that Amazigh/Moor and Arab are not mutually exclusive - Arab is simply a label of culture and identity, not a genetic one! Arabized people are Arab regardless of their ancestry, as long as they identify as Arabs and practice certain facets of Arabic culture (in particular speaking the Arabic language). People often make the mistake of treating "Arabs" as a monolithic "racial" group, so I understand why someone would say "X was an Arabic speaking Moor, not an Arab," but almost all Arabs are in fact primarily descended from Arabized populations.
It's quite a bit more complicated than that. What you said is absolutely true about present day "Arabs". But at the time of Muslim conquest of North Africa and Iberia, there actually was a distinction between Arab and Non-Arab Muslims, at least within the newly formed Arab colonies (however, most Europeans probably couldn't tell the difference, hence the confusing labels).
But here's where it gets even more complicated, there was also political and financial incentives for North Africans and even Iberians to identify as Arabs (a similar situation existed within Roman colonies). So, a lot of North Africans also identified as bonafide Arabs during that period, going as far as to lie or completely make up an ancestral root within the Arabian peninsula, or even trace their family tree to the Muslim prophet himself (to gain the "Sharif" label)
@@godwash Fair point.
@Isaac Meccan/Muslim Arabs recruited Arab and Berber nomads (read: mercenaries) from Sinai and North Africa throughout their campaigns. The Umayyed army in particular was made up almost entirely of Berbers.
But Arabs are a race too
Yes there’s people called Arabs that they are arabized but is there pure Arabs yes there’s and they live in the Arabian peninsula
@@user-ff3px4zn7d Once again, "Arab" as a label refers to all people who identify as Arab due to primarily linguistic and secondarily other cultural factors, regardless of ancestry. The original Arabs were a specific collection of related West Asian ethnic groups occupying parts of the Levant and the Arabian Peninsula, but the descendants of these people are now only part of the broader Arab population. To distinguish them from Arabized populations, they can be called "Arabians," not "pure Arabs." It's a bit similar to how the term "Hispanic" is used; the original Hispanic population consisted of people from one region of the Iberian Peninsula who spoke what we now call the Spanish language. During the late middle ages, these people expanded into other parts of the Iberian peninsula, which gradually adopted their language; later, they forged a huge empire including much of the Americas, and through a combination of settler colonialism and cultural assimilation, the "Hispanic" population expanded to include many people throughout this region, including many who had no ancestry from the original Hispanic population. All of these people are equally Hispanic, and it wouldn't make sense to refer to Hispanic Iberians as "pure Hispanics" to distinguish them from Hispanicized populations; we would simply call them "Spanish" or "Castilian." And just as Arab is sometimes misused as a "racial" label rather than an ethno-linguistic one, so too is "Hispanic" often misused in this way, although ironically it's more likely to be used in this sense for Hispanic Americans of mixed ancestry rather than Spaniards.
Just wanted to add an interesting side note on the evolution of the word "moors". In the Philippines, the muslims (of mostly austronesian descent) are called "moros" by the spaniards. It's just really interesting to see how time progressing and the movement/interactions of people really changes who becomes associated with a label.
Fascinating!
Different countries and "languages" pronounce it differently.
Oh oh you're about to trigger them again bro 😂. They'll read the title and start commenting despite you clarifying Moors are diverse not primarily Arab, black, brown, white or Amazigh.
Dr Kangz isn't going to be happy about this one. He thinks Amazigh are invaders lol.
When you refer to a civilisation you refer to the majority not the minority and majority were not black but amazigh
@@othmane9377 And when did I say the majority were black?
@@admirekashiri9879 you are saying they are diverse? Not they weren’t its a majority of amazigh and a black minority like every other civilization which contained a minority... and the influence of black were not as big as the influence of moors.
@shwat2013 exactly
@@othmane9377 they were diverse technically but if you want to say they were Amazigh so be it I don't really care lol my aim wasn't to trigger you.
Im Morocco my self my fam is very diverse some look more black and some Arab/ibirian we our kind of a lightly mixed race
The majority of the Morrocan's are Arabs and are white. 70 percent of the Northern Africans are white. The ones that are mixed are 30 percent. With the Arabs there mixing with the blacks that come over from central and southern Africa.
Thank you for your well informed video. I was mislead by afrocentrics into thinking all the moors were Black, all the egyptians were Black. There were Black people among those people, but that's not the same as all of them being Black. When I looked at history I found out the afrocentrics were telling lies or half truths. I also found out about actual Black African empires like the Ghanian, Nubian, Zulu, Mali and Ashante empires which afrocentrics hardly ever talk about. Luckily people like you are out there teaching the facts.
Not just afrocentrists, 5 eyes media in fact promotes the afrocentric prejudices in their movies and tv shows.
It isnt disturbing?
@@adamnesico they're trying to cash in by pandering to Black people. It's all about the money and doing what's popular now.
"Afrocentrists" just acknowledge that lots and lots and lots of Moors were Black, as clearly stated in this video. He is correct to point out that Moors were not exclusively "Arabic", and Moors were also Black.
@@QuatMan Afrocentrics believe ALL the moors were Black. Just like they believe all the ancient Egyptians were Black. They ignore historical context and how the word Black is used.
@@dwightlangston5444 I see many more racist white people trying to say the moors weren't black at all, and only Arab. Guess they are insecure that they were once "enslaved" colonized by those they deem inferior and try to hide it
Brilliant video Jabar. Its so refreshing to see someone can look at a very contentious topic with an unbiased view. Even bigger channels fail to do this as well as you.
A+, look forward to the next one.
And well done for sticking up for the often overlooked Amazigh population, their history is often buried or claimed by others. I know their not your topic specifically but more videos on them would be very welcome.
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Every time I watch your videos...I always picture a series like GOT based on the history of the continent...since it's so unknown, it would be an amazing watch for many
Excellent work as usual man, extremely insightful.
May I ask where that stone architecture at around 6:25 comes from? I love the look of it!
The Ghana Empire and ancient Soninke settlements like Dhar Tichitt.
@@FromNothing thanks so much!
Great video FN. One other little detail I would like to chime in about is that many Moors in Iberia were actually Iberians who adopted the Islamic religion and other cultural elements associated with it. Spain/Portugal othered these people as immigrants because it hurt their notion of self and Christianity, that someone could transform themselves in that direction.
13:35 they claim that the Etruscans, Samnites and Romans were originally black anyway, so I don't think that will stop them.
Let em believe what they want. They’re just as ridiculous as Eurocentrists.
@JUDAH EBK I'm British so I can trace my ancestry and culture back to Rome.
@@munkofpunk can all Brits trace their ancestry back to Rome? Some can and maybe you can, but the majority likely cannot.
@@munkofpunk was that the time the Romans invaded Britain! The Romans just like any other Empire was made up of many different people, so where exactly were your people from?
@@munkofpunk Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain after Romans withdrew. Romans directly influenced Celtic Brittonic people, but Anglo-Saxons fought against Celts, against their Celtic and Roman heritage, so if you are English, your cultural roots do not come from Roman influence in Britain
well done Jabari I appreciate the video and the enlightening research behind it.
Thank you for this great video. I'm glad I found your channel, it's very insightful.
Keep up the great work
All the above Muslim was a very diverse army many Muslim kingdoms work together .
Great video, I wanted to say something about Moors meaning darker skin. While it is true that this was the original meaning it became a blanket term for any Muslim inhabitant of Al andalus. It's considered that during the time of local dynasties (aka not the almohad or almoravid), the majority of the population was made of partially mixed white Spaniards decendant of concerts and who were Muslims. During the Nasrid dynasty the ghomara mercenaries from morroco are noted to be significantly darker skinned than the locals, being called swarthy by European chronicles. We do however have accounts of black people, notably some members of the moorish guard of the king of Castille, members of al andalus who defected and who were given the Christian surname "N*gro" (censor in case TH-cam doesn't like Spanish), as well as the countless depictions. In such depictions however although in significant numbers, black people are depicted as a minority.
Lmao stop you afrocentric im Moroccan im a MOOR we are not black stop stealing our history
@@kamelleon9131 first when did I steal your history and second when did I say that moroccan were black? I'm actively saying the opposite
@@theghosthero6173 yall black people need to stop saying that every people is black the moors are not BLACK AT ALL stop stealing other people history
@@kamelleon9131 first of all if you were really learned about morrocan history you would know that many dynasties had black slave soldiers even the alaouites, and black citizens has well, although the majority of people weren't black. I'm also not black 🤡.
@@theghosthero6173 only slaves the population of north Africa is a mixture of Arab and Berber not African
@FromNothing
What's the mythical creature called used in one of your earlier video? It looks like a titan size lizard .
Whats your view on SAMA’s video on this particular topic?
Also 3:45 min in and I already appreciate your fair take on the subject.
Who's that?
@@theblackmanisgod8759 SAMA is his channel name; is short for something along the lines of Study of Antiquity and Medieval history.
I think DNA mapping is shedding a lot of light on these questions. I think you also have to consider the use of images of black Moores as a part of propaganda against Moores in general. It’s a very interesting topic that I think deserves more study.
It's not propaganda, the dark black ones were just more impressive to the Christian Europeans, plus the Arabs also painted their faces black to look scarier.
This made some Christians believe the Moors were Demons and not humans.
DNA mapping basically proves the point of this video. Sub-Saharan (aka "black") halotypes are not nearly as present in North Africa and the Mediterranean lands the Moors conquered as are Arab and Berber Halotypes. Lots of people from Southern Spain, Italy, and Portugal have significant Arab/Berber Halotypes. Often as high as 10+%. Sub-Saharan halotypes are often missing completely in these groups. When they are present, they're usually negligible, i.e. 1-2%
@@sbakernyc5761 That makes my N African DNA somewhat more palatable. Just wonder where the hell it came from as I am mostly British/Celt.
Hey Jabar, I don't know if you've already discussed this, but what's your opinion of the Afrihili language? Is was a constructed language, derived largely from Swahili and Akan, developed by Ghanian historian K. A. Kumi Attrobrah in 1970, with the aim of becoming a lingua franca for the African continent and subsequently promote unity, understanding and trade; a bit like Esperanto, and like Esperanto, it never caught on.
Do you think it's good that the language is pretty much defunct, or could it have really benefited the continent?
There's a reason nobody uses artificial languages, unless forced to...
Besides Africa is WAY too big to become culturally united, even relatively small places like europe aren't like that.
@@georgethompson1460 no continent can become culturally United
I know the question was aimed at someone else but i was looking in to it. Swahili spoken as official languages of around 4 different countries and is taught in South African schools with a speaking population between 70-100M and increasing whilst as the Akan language is spoken by around 17M and is not an official language even where it is mostly spoken. There are languages spoken in Nigeria such as the Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa which have a way larger speaking population with Hausa being the largest of the 3. It would probably make more sense for one of those to be chosen for the lingua franca for West Africa and Swahili for East, South and central Africa. Also albeit that Hausa is the largest speaking population in west Africa i believe there are more ofshoots of the Yoruba language that spread across from Igboland to Ivory coast. But due to tribalism between West Africans i cant see anyone of those language becoming lingua franca without pushback so Swahili may be able to dominate across the continent if it should become an option in schools.
Amazing video Jabari, love your videos and analysis
@from Nothing: first of all thank you for your work, I would add that the natives of North Africa descend from the Capsian people and the Iburomaurusiens (see: the Man of Mechta-Afalou) who appeared respectively 12,000 and 25,000 in North Africa, but I have doubts about the origin of the word MAURE, which is said in Berber ⵉⵎⵓⵔⵉⵢⵏ - Imuriyen, and does not translate into: black. and in the end let me ask you, if you plan to make a video on Carthage and Hannibal Barca, lol, because the afrocentrists have appropriated its history. and do you allow your video to be translated into French? I myself am Berber and I greet you.
The rulers of Alandalus were Arabs from Syria, the language was and still Arabic,
the language in north Africa before Arabic wasnt just Amazigh, most coastal cities spoke Phoenician cannanite from Syria that is very similar to Arabic
Not all them, there were berbers and muladi dinastyes.
The rulers in Andalusia were majority Black Africans who spoke Arabic.
Read the "THE GOLDEN AGE OF THE MOORS" BY IVAN VAN SERTIMA".
@@Meetingpeoplefive P. off, their capital was Damascus, Syria which is in Asia not even Africa
@@Meetingpeoplefive A oreo supremacyst preacher?
Better read the Muqqadimah of Ibn Khaldoun.
How curious you never cite moor sources, just western.
Its very clear you still despise them, you still have a white inside.
@@Meetingpeoplefive why are you lying and spewing hotep BS on youtube? this is easily debunked, sub-Saharans were slaved not Caliphs you pathetic liar.
Short answer, some were, some weren't
Not a good enough answer for some people though. The video provides more context.
@@FromNothing Of course, nationalists can never be pleased with actual history.
Thank you so much for your enlightening content!
I could be way off, but it seems like a good modern day analogy would be "latin" as a generalized term for everyone south of US border. They both carry a lot of the same problems, including covering up the large amount of diversity there in.
No you're definitely right. Latinx is most certainly an analogous term.
My dad is afro-brazillian and my mum is afro-jamaican, but when I tell people this, they act surprised that, there are black people in Brazil, when it actually has one of the largest black populations, outside of the Africa continent.
@@ebonynaomi1085 what part of African does your moms family descend from
@@ebonynaomi1085haha same.
I’m black, and my parents are from Panama. People don’t know much about black people south of the USA
Actually, I hear white Americans referred to as Irish, Italian, German Americans.
It is so cringe when european descendant americans claim an ethnicity in europe because of a distant ancestry and their messed up tendency to equate etnicity with blood/dna
@Salvatore Marzano As long as you emphasize that you have Italian ancestry, but doesn't try claim Italian ethnicity. Fine, please take interest in your family history. But there is a very loud and visible tendency amongst Americans to claim whatever more or less distant ancestry they have as their ethnicity... And its fucking cringe to most people who actually are ethnic Irish, Scottish, Italian or whatever.
And then you have the extra obnoxious ones, who use some random heritage test to ethnically define themselves and take ownership over an ethnic european identity - because they seem to equate blood with ethnicity... There is alot of those around.
@@EmilReiko y'all not even American 😂
@@ALYoungFuture13 no, thank god im not
@@EmilReiko yes thank God 🙏🏿 , leave the megaliths, pyramids, crop circles and greatest culture for real Americans. European us citizens need to start claiming Europe more
Majority were Amazigh actually but some were Arab, Arab Berber, Bantu, And European some to a lesser extent even Indian
Europeans and Indians ? Were they Muslim by the time of andalus
Bantu?
Bantu? Their arent any Bantus in West Africa so i highly doubt that. Most black moors were probably just Haratins and Tuaregs(although Tuaregs are extremely diverse they are the exception in clustering closer to SSA.)
@@YaBoiDREX yeah bantu
@@blenshanegro3260 The Original Moors/Amazighs were Bantus/Africans. Until the Arabs invaded North Africa in 642A.D., forcing the bantus down south. As for yhe europeans they were irish slaves from the Barbary Slave trade
Excellent video! Very impressed by the clarity of the argument and the facts put on display.
I would like to point out that the Sahara once it had formed was a far greater barrier than the ships used to sail the Mediterranean Sea. So overall the "invasions" by sea were much easier and more frequent. As it was the bread basket of Rome for centuries, it will have been filled with slaves to work the fields from all over the empire. Those Romans had Nubian auxiliaries as well. But as Egypt, Morrocco and a few other points in North Africa, connected by oasis, is where those worlds mix.
Okay, in your last apology video, I thought you were mostly in the wrong. But in this case you're right and THEY were wrong. I think you've done a bang-up job; all your critics, I suspect, were probably not listening to you and were being dicks because they couldn't handle their preconceptions being challenged. As for me, this video actually has cleared up a HUGE head-scratcher from history in my own brain. And you did it so fast and precise that I'm kind of floored. It's like you suddenly stuck an ice pick right above my eye, right into my brain, and in one quick motion just POKED out the dumb part. Thank you!
I really hope one day most of the Sahara desert can be restored to what you show at 10:58 . Anyway, thanks for the great video.
Hello Jabari, I actually have something to add. The word Moor changed meaning over time. So when we are using it, we should specify it's meaning. The first people to be called Moor, were the Mauri tribe, or Maurussii, in the modern day Rif region of Morocco. The word Moor comes from the Greek Maurussii, the famous Greek geographer Strabo said that the Romans and the natives called themselves Mauri in book 17 chapter 3 section 2. I quote: ''Here dwell a people called by the Greeks Maurusii, and by the Romans and the natives Mauri, a populous and flourishing African nation, situated opposite to Spain, on the other side of the strait, at the Pillars of Hercules, which we have frequently mentioned before''. So it didn't come from the Latin word Maurus, meaning black, as many people believe. Their kingdom grew and eventually encompassed a large area with many tribes. Now all the different Amazigh tribes in the kingdom were known as Mauri by the Romans and that name spread across their empire, also to Hispania. Now a few centuries later the Umayyad Caliphate invaded modern day Spain and Portugal, which were parts of the Roman Empire, mainly with Amazigh troops. That was when the word Moor came into existence. It is a corruption of the word Mauri. It was a slur with which they meant all islamic invaders. Although the vast majority of the Moors consisted of Imazighen and native Iberian converts many other peoples were used as warriors in the conflict. In the somewhat 8 centuries the muslims had a political and military presence in Iberia many black African mercenaries and slave soldier (a common practice in the islamic world) were used by the muslim powers and also Slavic slave soldier were used (saqaliba). So all these different people I just mentioned would be known as Moors by the christian Iberian powers. After the fall of Al-Andalus, it became a slur for all muslims, the native muslims in the Philippines were known as Moors for example.
So to round it up: Name of native people -> Name of a native kindom and the different tribes that lived there -> slur for muslim invaders -> slur for muslims.
Very good and so on point
Jat Iranic Identity of the Mauryas
By: Dr. Samar Abbas, Aligarh, India
The Mauryas, Muras, or rather Mors, were Jats, and hence Scythian or East Iranic in origin.
Consequently, Ashoka, Chandragupta and all other emperors of the Mauryan Dynasty were Scythian Jats (p.116).
The Atharva Veda was the creation of Iranic sun-priests or Magas, and was not part of the original Vedic tradition (p.128).
The primordial Jat religion was that of the original Iranic race, namely monotheist Sun-worship, which they and their Maga priests carried wherever they migrated (p.119, 128).
Chanakya or Kautilya, brain behind the Mauryan Empire and author of the famous Artha-Sastra, was an Iranic sun-priest or Maga (p.128).
The Mauryas or Mors were close kin of the Amorites of Babylonia and Egypt. (p.131)
The Jat immigrants are close kin of the ancient Gutians of Sumeria (p.131), and the Goths or Gots (p.125), known in Latin as Getae.
@@ALYoungFuture13 Maurya≠Mauri/Moor
@@user-jq4hi8te3j no where en your comment did you mention Chandragupta Maurya , The Mauryan Empire or Mor Jats that all predate Moors of North Africa and 711 by 1000 years...... Mauryan Empire es from 322 BC....1000 years before 711
@@ALYoungFuture13 So if you know the difference, how is your comment relevant to this video and comment?
This was very informative. Good job.
Hello Jabari, Ive looked high and low for a single source that claims pre imperial Lamtuna and Godala berbers were from Morocco. Everything Ive read places them in west Africa. Am I missing something? Pls correct me if Im wrong or at least direct me to a credible source that says otherwise cuz I am genuinely confused.
"Nothing more, ...no pun intended"
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2:35 I do sometimes, with the intent of showing the inconsistency that it is normal to call Black-Americans "African-Americans", but it is unusual to call White-Americans "European-Americans".
Rather we just call them both American..
@@co-bruh1423 unfortunately, racism in America means sometimes, we need to talk about race, because while it is a social construct, it is one with consequences.
@@co-bruh1423 Not every blk person in America is content with that idea. Some would like to be called Africans for that matter.
@@holdenennis a social construct based on falsehoods. The idea and application of it needs to disappear forever.
White = American to many people.
what music did you use in this video?
A very interesting video. Keep posting!
Despite all the criticism. I think you are doing a great job. Keep up the good work. Feelings can't fight facts. I like how you back up everything you research as proof. So don't take it personal. Some people can't handle the truth. Let them believe what they want.
I'm simple polish guy, loving history and heritage of Africa. Thank you for this objective view!
Thanks for this, its good to see someone taking history seriously and not trying to force modern concepts and conceits into ancient happenings. Great work, I'll be going back to check out some of your other content.
Solid research. Great video 🙏🏽
Wait why were people mad because of your moors video? I personally enjoyed it..
Because either calling the NOT all black or not all Arab, and realizing that skin color comes in many shades is a pretty........... controversial topic
@@Al7249 oh I see
He turned off the comments at one point.
@@primexample8912 Its the same with “Ancient Egyptian race controversy”. Simply put, claiming the Ancient Egyptians are a “black” or a “white” civilization are both disingenuous and misleading and are born out of a cheap sense of racial pride.
Because it was not factually correct. He hadn't researched the Islamic history of Al Andalusian Spain correctly which is fully documented in Arabic Islamic texts by scholars of the time.
Agreed with how you explained it compared to your last video
Thank you for clearing this out
This was great!
The Moors were a very diverse group of Muslims from the Middle East, North Africa, and even West Africa. For example the Almoravids were West African Zenaga berbers from Mauritania (Lamtuna tribe) and Senegal (Gudala tribe). They would have resembled the majority population of present Mauritania which is Haratin and Black African. While its true they established a capital in Morocco their first capital was a town called Azougui around the Adrar plateau in Mauritania it is now a unesco world heritage site. The capital of the Ghana empire was also in Mauritania and an account from the geographer/historian Al-Zuhri mentions that scholars from the muslim quarter of Wagadu made frequent journeys to Al-Andalusia. The Almohad on the other hand were mostly fair-skinned North African berbers from the Atlas Mountains and the Riff so some of them had blonde hair and blue eyes. The Almohad as well as the Mirinid are depicted in the Cantigas de Santa Maria, but due to the fact that the book was written in the 13th century and the earliest Moorish Dynasty reigned in the 8th century they do not represent the Moors as a whole. But even before the Almoravid and Almohad, were two Middle Eastern dynasties called the Abbasid and Umayyad. Both of them conscripted Sudanese and Berber soldiers into their armies.
EDIT: I am talking about present day Mauritania not Roman period Mauritania which was located in Algeria. Every single history book, research paper, and encyclopedia about the Almoravids place the Lamtuna and Godala tribe in present day Mauritania and Senegal both of which are below the tropic of cancer. There is no reason to assume the Almoravids didn’t resemble the people of this region.
Ancient Mauretania is not Algeria. It's current day Morocco and Western Algeria.
Thank you the Almaravids were mostly BLK Africans form west Africa!! Moors were diffrent, the First "moors" were arabic from the umayyads empire, the second "Moorse" were the West African tribes/ mix with turareg berber tribes & that group of berber tribes are also Dark skin.. then u have the Almohads from Algeria they were of the more browner/tan color u see today I'm speaking all I'm majority here.. but to say the the Moors were all mix and that it is a cop out it's only half true yea they were "mix" but just like EgyPt the founders of the SECOND moorish empire were Blk people!
Jat Iranic Identity of the Mauryas
By: Dr. Samar Abbas, Aligarh, India
The Mauryas, Muras, or rather Mors, were Jats, and hence Scythian or East Iranic in origin.
Consequently, Ashoka, Chandragupta and all other emperors of the Mauryan Dynasty were Scythian Jats (p.116).
The Atharva Veda was the creation of Iranic sun-priests or Magas, and was not part of the original Vedic tradition (p.128).
The primordial Jat religion was that of the original Iranic race, namely monotheist Sun-worship, which they and their Maga priests carried wherever they migrated (p.119, 128).
Chanakya or Kautilya, brain behind the Mauryan Empire and author of the famous Artha-Sastra, was an Iranic sun-priest or Maga (p.128).
The Mauryas or Mors were close kin of the Amorites of Babylonia and Egypt. (p.131)
The Jat immigrants are close kin of the ancient Gutians of Sumeria (p.131), and the Goths or Gots (p.125), known in Latin as Getae.
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No, they where north-africans not west-africans, they where in all shades, but majority olive skinned people.
Even Arabs themselves aren't a single racial group so the concept of Moors being homogenous falls apart even further if one claims they were all Arabs. I've seen Arabs in the Gulf who're darker than me; I'm from a city on the coast of West Africa😂.
Exactly. I feel the same way. They were clearly multiracial if going by our standards of race.
@Aluthando Bottoman yes your right, but Berbers have been in North Africa for over 25000 years, and speak an Afro Asiatic language, proving an origin from the Lavant Asia. Arabians also have the same place of origin.
@Aluthando Bottoman yes just like there are no Romans or Greeks in Northern Europe!
I’m quite sure Arabs have passports and can travel wherever they like including north Africa
@Aluthando Bottoman They are African but not anthropological N!
I good video for discovering your channel. Will be looking forward to watching more.
This a another great video. Thanks for the knowledge
I think that when discussing racial issues, there should be a term equivalent to bi-erasure when speaking of the tendency to erase people that were not black nor white. The tendency of claiming Amazigh as white exists as well, citing the few example of ginger people present in the region. And anyway, raciality is a very modern conception, culture language religions and custom must have been a way bigger criteria to divide people in ancient time. The idea that physical appearance = cultural identity is sadening. This is our brains on racism.
Yeah, ok. Race is a recent concept, you can't apply modern concepts of race to ancient people...blah, blah. Then why is it that modern " berbers " possesses and practice the same anti- black racism against " black" Africans that white European supremacist and white arab supremacist practice? The next time someone from your culture refers to a " black " person as abid, or " slave", speak out against that. Give them the rap of " there is no such thing as race" or " race is a western, European concept.
True. Although I will say that, throughout history before the modern period, people tended to view those who look more like them to be closer to them, which usually is true considering they must come from nearby regions and have similar cultures. The concept of race took it to the extreme, though.
@@omayemigatling4112 They got influenced ? Here I answered-
And you just did what I was speaking about in the first part of my comment. Arabs are not white, but being not white do not stop them to be racist, nationalist or xenophobic.
And yes, racism is a modern invention, but no where did I said that it's only a European concept. Arabs did participate in it's development as an ideology and denying it is in itself Western-centric and well… racist.
@@sachacendra3187 I think when looking for answers it's important to ask the right questions. Since race is a social construct and can't be applied to the ancient world and since we know that people don't just appear in a vacuum, instead of asking if the berbers/moors/amezigh people were either " black" or "white", the question should be, what were the biological and ancestral relationships between " north Africans" and " Sub-Saharan " Africans? Since amezigh people are indigenous to africa and Since the berber language is indigenous to the African continent, what is the ancestral relationship between these indigenous people and the rest of the indigenous people on the African continent? You see, where the rubber meets the road is when groups of people who are considered " non-black" have to explain or deny a biological and ancestral connection with " black, Sub-Saharan " people. This is when people's true colors come out...no pun intended.
@@omayemigatling4112 So you're saying that recognizing that a gradient of skin color exist and has existed for a long time and yours is somewhere in the middle is equivalent to insisting for racist reasons that you have no link to black people at all ?
Also berber people clearly have ancestry from people that migrated from the Iberian peninsula in prehistory, do they need to deny that, think its irrelevant ? Or to acknowledge it to recognize themselves as not truly indigenous ?
I do believe you got a tiny part wrong. Referring to North Africans as neither black nor white is not the actual case. They are Caucasian genetically ( even tho yes, today, many have sub-saharian ancestry ). North African, including amazigh and egyptians, are caucasians. They are indeed genetically rather close to middle easterners, who are also caucasians. One evidence for this shared ancestry is the similarities between pre-islamic arab and berber deities.
That doesn't make them white though. That would be like calling an Indian person white or calling a Native-American Asian. Just because they are closely related genetically doesn't make them "white."
@@FromNothing Well, you have a point there. I understand now, you mean white in the sense that they werent red faced frecked green eyed ppl. When it comes to skin color and not genetical proximity, they are indeed olive brown.
@@BRAgamer they are not Caucasian, Arabs have distinct facial features to Northern Europeans. They are not white people with a tan. Compared a pale Arabs to someone from Spain
@@greatestindanationwide8332 It's a complex subject, because Persians do indeed self identify as caucasion.
@@FromNothing Don’t let some random guy on the internet teach you about genetics when he clearly doesn’t have a idea of the difference of phenotypes and genetics. As a molecular biologist such statements are ridiculous. Also North African lineage is actually very genetically isolated despite low traces of sub Saharan and European DNA. E-M81 is thought to have originated in the area of North Africa 14,000 years ago. A subclade E-M183 subhaplogroup can reach in frequency 100% in some isolated Amazigh populations in Morocco. This subclade is more than 4000 years old. Phenotype does not affect genes and is rather a combination of genomics and environmental factors as you precluded. You were spot on. It seems that people are hung up on color when in fact most North Africans come from a genetic island that makes them neither Arab, Caucasian, west Asian, or black but their own distinct genetic and social culture that was Arabized. What you find is that depending on which time in history you take a sample size you will find that you either came from North African, West Asian, Neandetthal(European), or African DNA. So at the end of the Dat we all can trace our roots back to Africa depending on when in time you want to start telling history. It’s called lineage In genetics. Americans, Arabs and Europeans need to just stop claiming of North Africans is my conclusion. The citizens of Other countries in Africa don’t claim North African culture because they have their own history.
Had a friend who casually liked history, but didn't have my level of interest. But above most books or docs, yours catches his attention the most
will you ever do sokoto
Under a Rock & Francis join the twitch 🌋
Well I like you from nothing I'm black myself. it's kind of hard to be a an objective historian especially as a black person, because you have two different extremes coming after you and they're trying to blame you for everything that you're not doing or everything that you are doing even though what you are doing isn't even offensive they're just taking it that way because they think their perspective is the right one and unfortunately that's always not true but I appreciate all the videos that you've been putting out for the last 4 or 5 years so keep at it I hope you collab with home team one day and you guys can actually do something that'll be awesome.
Hometeam and I have already collaborated twice.
@@FromNothing let me ask you this, metatron made a video about black people in the Roman Empire.
He referred excavations’ skeletons by their osteology or skull shapes and that Aethiops or the facial phenotypes of west and central Africa were the same, albeit a sizeable minority in North Africa which gradually shrank in number over centuries.
Considering their sizeable number in Carthage and Libya, why do you not address this in your video considering the “black moor” crowd among the audience?
@@saratmodugu2721 aethiopian and western africn are diferent. even cetnral aficans have diferent faces.
At 12:38
That's related to what I've been asking people who say the original Egyptians were Black. My question is what happened to this indigenous Black population? Why is Egypt largely non Black today? Did Cheikh Anta Diop or Dr. Ben Jochannan ever answer this question?
Medium brown = olive skinned.
Going back on what you said about what Black Americans are called...You got a point. Even tho we “African Americans” are direct descendants from Africa with admixture, we go by the nationality of American. I will point out something that you and many others constantly forget though. Many Black Americans from many different states go by what that specific group or “sub culture” goes by. For instance I and many others from the Carolinas, Georgia, and Florida low country may call themselves Gullah or Geechee. Others will go by the following: Creoles, Afro-Seminoles, Harlemites, Blexans, and Griots. Of course they would also go by what ever the state is called such as Floridians or Mississippians. It all depends but I am Gullah/Geechee. African American is for the government to put us in a category, with no cultural ties. Great video tho!
When ADOS said this everybody jumped down our throats
@@nmagain24 that's because everyone is not of African descent
@@knowledgeseeker8582 if you are black in America, you have African descent. Even if you have other as an addition
@@KateeAngel every black in America is not from Africa. It had blacks in America before European colonization. Read Giovanni de Verrazzano letter about the Ethiopians in America. Smdh
@@knowledgeseeker8582 If they are from Ethiopia they are from Africa. You defeated your own argument.
Spain was muslim for 7 centuries, if you think that the moors of Spain were black, spain would look like colombia now 😂😂😂😂, but modern portuguese and Spanish share lot of similarities in look with north african amazigh and Arabs.
I'm Moroccan and lot of families in Morocco they still have their ancestors houses keys in Spain after they were kicked out.
Egypt didn't just have the romans but also the macedonians with ptolemaic dynasty, which was the last dynasty before the roman conquests.
As always, interesting stuff.
Something to consider, through the first Arab conquests, the Arabs then we're Phenotypically the same race as the Somalians and Ethiopians. Also the Roman Empire was not an Empire of white people. Nor were they black. They were a cross section of diverse racial groups.
You also forgot about the Barbary slave trade which brought in large numbers of white slave's into North Africa by the Coursairs Pirate's and the Ottoman Turks. Believe it or not, they were brought in from as far up as Iceland.
I like your videos but why in Europe all the moor statues are black if they where a diverse group of people. Where the original moors was black and did other groups was force to join them because of they conquest can you explain this too me please.
Because most of the soldiers and even some nobles were black indeed (Taghelmust in most cases). The Europeans saw them and thought they were “exotic” (sounds familiar right?) and portrayed them more
@@rolandorodriguez4504 Not you're totally wrong , if you look the "moorish soldiers" depiction in medieval European manuscrits (from the 13th century), they are depicted as white skinned, not black skinned.
No, that's not the case. What you call "moor" statue is the representation of St Maurice, an Centurion who lived during the roman area (he's depicted as a Nubian in the german tradition and as an coptic in the greek tradition).
You are wrong, I am european and moor statues arent black.
You should see more sources apart of afro supremacysts, they lie you.
Most artifacts show them lightskinned, give me your discord or twitter if you want me to send you those paintings
Very Well done, I enjoyed this Video.
Please can you update the sources link as it appears to be broken?
Fixed
Up move 🔥
I'm so glad I found this channel. Clear headed fact driven African history is hard to find
Yeah, it’s either two extremes. One extreme being is Africa had no civilizations, no empires and glorious kingdoms and on the other extreme you have insecure Afrocentrist who will over exaggerate anything discovered about Africa and will take credit for civilizations that in fact weren’t black such as Ancient Egypt or the Levant area and in extreme cases even the Chinese. So it is refreshing to find a channel like this.
One of the best and most accurate videos I've seen on this subject
We're not "Riding horses to Spain", we're "traveling in a non-commercial capacity to Spain and we do not wish to create joinder with the Knights Templar".
It's amazing how tightly the West has held on to Francis Galton's concept of race. Literally generations (in fact, over 100 years) of scientific literature have debunked his ideas.
Then there's the whole question of the ethnicity of the Spanish people at the time;). Between Cathaginian, Roman and Vandal invasions this would have been an interesting mix as well.
The spanish are predominantly gothic, as the spanish race is literally the Visigoths who left the Italian peninsula after sacking Rome. There was also they purge of all non Spanish during the reconquesta. A better case for what they race if Spain is would to be examining the Basque who are the natives of them Iberian peninsula.
@@tylerrobbins8311 Wrong, the visigoths were just a minority, they are 5 % or less of spanish ascendancy, spanish are predominatly basque, as all mediterraneans, and mostly celt from the male lineage.
You should always intend your puns Jabari. 😋 Anyway I enjoyed hearing more Moor lore.
Great video 👍🏿
All we know Moors is Arab civilzation, spoke arabic, written in Arabic, dress like Arabic, architecture with arab influences[like crenellation from arab style], but Berber/Amazigh like Egyptian are arabized so they are arab civilzation. black moors are very small, except in south like Mali and Hausa land in Niger and North Nigeria. just google Kano old city, Sokoto old city, Kastsina old city, and zinder old city. hausa are afro-asiatic, before British, Sokoto Caliphate use arabic as ligua franca, even today some of north nigerian and niger spoke arabic. Chad/Kanem, Mali/Fulani, black taureg, songhai and Hausa are black moors. they architecture, dress style are similar to north africa. they are islamic civilzation
Ugh he literally said that moors is much like North Africa today Jesus Christ and you seriously love to downplay subshara Africans history. I seen doing this all the time
Jat Iranic Identity of the Mauryas
By: Dr. Samar Abbas, Aligarh, India
The Mauryas, Muras, or rather Mors, were Jats, and hence Scythian or East Iranic in origin.
Consequently, Ashoka, Chandragupta and all other emperors of the Mauryan Dynasty were Scythian Jats (p.116).
The Atharva Veda was the creation of Iranic sun-priests or Magas, and was not part of the original Vedic tradition (p.128).
The primordial Jat religion was that of the original Iranic race, namely monotheist Sun-worship, which they and their Maga priests carried wherever they migrated (p.119, 128).
Chanakya or Kautilya, brain behind the Mauryan Empire and author of the famous Artha-Sastra, was an Iranic sun-priest or Maga (p.128).
The Mauryas or Mors were close kin of the Amorites of Babylonia and Egypt. (p.131)
The Jat immigrants are close kin of the ancient Gutians of Sumeria (p.131), and the Goths or Gots (p.125), known in Latin as Getae.
@@ALYoungFuture13 If you want to focus, black civilzation, Benin, Dahomey, Akan, Yoruba, Zimbabwe/Shona, Bamileke civilzation. or high culture like Zulu, Lesotho, Massai and Kongo;
@@ALYoungFuture13 Bamum architecture or Bamileke architecture. Benin, Akan, Yoruba architecture are pure bantu sub-Sahara, they good, but sadly Africa country do not build it anymore, build with strong new material like Burmese, Thailand, Malaysian, Cambodian and Indonesian do, wooden in wet rainforest with burning not last long very few survive. need to revive yoruba, Benin, Akan, Bamileke architecture, the wall, ornament, motif, statue styles, topology, Fort or city wall, roof style need to rebuild. that why southeast asian(except Philippines and Papua), China, Japan, Korea, Bhutan, Oman, Europe do to their old city, village, town, fort/castle, palace and others heritages site
@@safuwanfauzi5014 You said all we know es Moors es an Arab civilization....your wrong was proved wrong, then continued to be wrong....why wannabe scholars only put Moors to Arab es strange and weird especially when Chandragupta Maurya United modern day India en 322 BC...1000 years before 711 AD.
Actually i do call them european americans.
That’s a lie
and mexicans are Aztec/Spanish-Americans.
@@georgethompson1460 The ones in Mexico Valley are. Others are mixed with other indigenous groups which are part of modern-day Mexico but not of the old Mexica empire.
Enjoyed the video. I do have one question you may have touched upon. DNA. Why is it that when White Europeans get tested for DNA they usually come up with a small percentage of African ancestry. Now understanding that white europeans didn't get down to Africa till late in the 12th or even later centuries.
It appears from your information that Moors were a diverse group which could account for their ability to reason.
great video!!!
Never heard anybody called Mexican American or Chinese American.. most ppl say Hispanic or call all Hispanics Mexican and most people just call Chinese asians
Mexican-American is often used.
Your video of Arabs depict mixed race people. Pure Arabs are white Caucasian like Italians and Greeks. White Caucasoid race is determined by facial features not skin tone which changes with sun exposure. There are black Arabs and mixed race Arabs and white Arabs. Because white Arabs built an empire with black slaves and white Berber slaves and white Iberian slaves and white Persian slaves. We know Arabs identified as White race because the Koran mentions it and the oldest descriptions of the prophet Muhammad say he was white with Rosey cheeks.
What's your opinion of the Moorish Science group founded by Noble Drew Ali?
They are a man made religion like the Nation of Islam infact their historys are connected....They have a problem with real history...
@@brianvesta all religion is man made
Beautiful work
3:00 You mean most North Africans lol. Literally look at the comments and this video was uploaded 30 minutes ago.
I call white people europeans. no joke. I don't call white people "americans" to their face, I call them europeans. They are europeans to me.
Excellent video
love the video but don’t forget that the term moor from the European perspective comes from the fact that they came from Mouritania the ancient Roman colony in Morocco.After the conquest of Iberia every Muslim was called a moor even the locals who converted.
Im kind of living proof that the Moors werent all black.
My family is the Al-Zghoul Family (you can find this family name all across the Mena region written in diffrent ways) our Ancestor Muhammad XIII Al-Zaghal of the Nasrid Dynasty was the 23rd ruler of Grenada who was one of the last sultans of Islamic spain and later had to leave the Iberian peninsula.
Im from Jordan btw
my DNA test results are below
45.1% Middle eastern
27.7% North African
4.4% Nigerian
17.2% West Asian
5.6% Askhenazi Jewish
I'm from the City of Tetouan, which was built by the Andalusian refugees and expanded by the Moriscos. The Founder of the city is al-Mandari, who was an Andalusian from Granada. We're also not black. Most of us look like a mix between berber and Spanish as how foreign tourists describe us. which in itself is living proof of Moors in Iberia not being black. People describe me as a half Moroccan and half European looking, even though I'm full Moroccan. This affirms the Andalusian history.
Moors were never black
yes my ancestors had black slaves . but they were never Black
Excellent work! I don't know why people can't look at the geography and figure out that location is a crossroads of the Mediterranean sub-Saharan Africa and West Asia. Of course, the people are going to reflect the geographic reality and be a mix of all of those areas. Common sense you would think.
Not All were either fully Black White Berber Tuareg or Arab. Most of them were mixture of the above. Mixed raced.
Banu sulaym were a black Arabian tribe
mmmm how do you know?
My ancestry results came back with some Portuguese and Spanish, and my mom got the same result, so we assumed it was my French grandma's Moorish lineage.
I ran my blood test results through GEDMAP, and found Berber and Libyan markers. My grandma's family is a mix of obviously white & some "swarthy" French ppl ("tall, dark and handsome")
Damn good video
Was worried this would be afrocentric, this channel's really good!