Yes and it would have been cool if all the villains fight the Chameleon along side po but that wouldn't have been possible because they were stripped of their Kung-fu and Let's acknowledge the fact that the past 3 villains have actual names and her name is just a chameleon.😳
@@fearfulclan2007The Furious Five get the exception since they’re characters that *aren’t* trash unlike Chameleon who isn’t written very well. “oH, Im ExAcTiNg ReVeNgE bEcAuSe ThEy SaId I wAs ToO sMaLl…” Bruh, take a look at Mantis who is waaaay smaller. But then again, she might’ve been jealous since they accepted Mantis but not her. 💀
Apparently the Co-Director wanted to make Kung Fu Panda 4 more like the first two movies, and had better ideas, but was denied and was called a nobody by the rest of the crew.
At the end of kfp 4 there was supposed to be a scene when shifu was there when tai lung and the villains bow to Po, shifu sees it, him and tai lung end up hugging, crying and this time tai lung accepts shifu's apology and tai lung apologized too but they scrapped it 😭 and I THINK another scene was the villains teaming up with Po to defeat the chameleon (I think that was the other scene they scrapped out)
No, Chameleon: tests the audience’s patience Although it was interesting how the predictions about Po having to fight a panda for the 4th movie was somewhat correct.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudiosyeah cause she's Po's reflect but inverted. One judge too fat and the other too small. One who still continue to be a kung fu warrior despite the reject and the other who change her way and found something else. One who learn kung fu with practice annd the other who steal skills of others.
@@routeone4790 well when you think about it most of the furious five actors are premium voice actors. Example monkey is Jackie Chan and tiger says Angelina Jolie.
Not only did the directors not want to pay each actor to lend their voice, only the 3 films of the main triology cost more than 175 million compared to this one with only 80 million.
Hence the rush Kung du panda 3 and 4 have an 8 year gap they could atleast put more work into it we've waited 8 years just to be given something mid when I could had waited another year for something amazing
The Chameleon had so much potential. There was so many parts that oozed it. Like her taking the form of Zhen to trick Po (along with the creepy laugh) and ESPECIALLY her becoming a horrific monster in a last ditch effort to take down Po. If only she had a backstory that's on par with the past 3 villains along with the movie having a better story in general.
Honestly, my ideal for Kung Fu Panda 4 would've been a two part movie. Making part 1 about an ancient tournament like Mortal Kombat and Chameleon playing a similar role like Shang Tsung. Having Po finding out that he's one of the warriors that symbolizes the Chinese Zodiacs and he's giving the quest to gather the other warriors across the world, leading until the last zodiac warrior, which is reveal to be The Monkey King. And then making part two focusing on the tournament, the chinese zodiacs against the astrology zodiacs, leading to the main boss, the Chameleon. And her motivations will be way different than the one shown in the film, revealing that she's actually a demi-god and her purpose was to gather all the zodiac in order to release her father, which is an dark god who was prison by the previous zodiac warriors. Then defeating Chameleon at the end, but revealing at a credit scene that gate that was supposed keep that dark god inside starts cracking. Leading the dark god as the ultimate villain for the 5th film.
@@calvinfujii5921 @calvinfujii5921 Here's the interesting part. Picture this, Po is given the mission to gather these warriors and now he has to use his staff to travel around the world. Each of these champions will be characters from myths and legends from every culture known (something similar like God of War but more united). While the astrological zodiac, they'll be the antagonists that existed in these legends. So for example, we get to see characters like Morgan Le Fay, Hercules, Raijin, Imhotep , Baldur, Lancelot, etc. Once Po gathered the champions, the Monkey King reveals himself, turning out to be just a kid. Putting Po in a major role not just as the leader of the zodiac warriors, but also the mentor of the new Monkey King destined to destroy the dark god.
there is a fancomic made by someone called nehezt, it involved a redemption arc for tai lung & had Po and the five in it as well, it's really well written and drawn and still in the process of being made, it's called "traces of spring"
I could’ve added more reason as to why Kai showed up in this movie even though he exploded from too many chi juice in the last movie, by just saying his essence was separated into different bacteria, and the Chameleon used all that bacteria to revive Kai, only to take his chi away. That reason makes no sense, but it’s the only one I got so, deal with it. The other thing I would’ve done is actually let Kai & Lord Shen talk. They could’ve brought JK Simmons & Gary Oldman to do the voices. It would’ve obviously allowed them to have closure with Po. The last thing I do… Shifu gets captured by the Chameleon and that’s what convinces Po to free Zhen so they could go on a journey to stop the Chameleon. The movie would’ve ended with Shifu saying goodbye to Po, and so he joins Tai Lung to live in the Spirit Realm, so he could finally be in peace. Yeah… did I forget to mention Shifu needed closure with Tai Lung?
I enjoyed the movie. Wasnt the best but the fights, animations detail etc looked great. But Zhen was a miss. She was a mary sue...didnt like her becoming the new dragon warrior. I dont see why Po had to become the spiritual leader when he doesnt meet the qualifications. When Zhen gave good advice I hoped she would be taking the spiritual leader place instead and Po stays as the dragon warrior. Ive seen people say Tigress should of gotten the role. WHile I want po to stay as the dragon warrior cause its what we knew him as at least Tigress getting the role would make much better sense than a thief he just met. Zhen just gets everything handed to her. She can already fight so I dont see why she needs training cause she somehow knows kung fu already. She's strong enough to throw po around and already mastered chi cause she made a chi dragon (which shouldnt of been a dragon cause po not only has a soul of a dragon but makes his chi a dragon to fit the dragon warrior role so it shouldnt be something anyone can do) and just masters everything. I dont know why Shifu couldnt be the spiritual leader.. he has more experience and learned everything from Oogway so I dont know why he had to make Po do it. Shifu would fit the role of spiritual leader far better than Po.... alot of stuff in kung fu panda 4 makes no sense
I feel the villans are neutreal. They don't like Po, so they won't help him. But they're also dead, defeated by Po, and just witnessed his true power, it'd be useless to try to fight him
One thing that I don't think gets talked about enough and that's Jennifer Yul Nelson. She was the head of the story in the first Kung Fu Panda film and then directed the second and third. With her not apart of thebfourth one something felt missing. Kinda makes you wonder how different the movie would be if she was involved
Shen and Kai didn't talk because the creators didn't want to pay high paying actors like Gary Oldman and J.K Simmons just to say one lines like "Well done, Po."
Chameleon and Tai Lung could've had a great dynamic. Him being promised everything, her never given a chance, both ending up in a dark place from their opposite upbringings.
But the issue with bringing back the visions is that it would undo the development of the second movie, as it’s about Po finding peace with what happened, I do agree that the villains could use more depth, but such a move would be heavily criticized
While yes it would’ve been good to hear Shen and Kai again, but you have to take to consideration that sometimes not everyone will reprise their roles. See famous actors like Gary Oldman and JK Simmons are busy with other things, they would’ve love to do these roles again, but the problem is if they are free to do them and scheduling too.
I have wondered what it would be like if Li encountered Lord Shen again and Li comes to have a Pstd moment or Anger moment to attack considering shen personally killed his wife in Kung Fu Panda 2 🐼
It would have been cool if tai lung escape at first then his redemption to po and Sui fu then when they are fight Ing chameleon tai lung save lord Shen and general Kai and they defeated the chameleon together
I was also kinda disappointed when the chameleon summons the warriors and only Tai Lung fough. I thought for sure atleast Kai would've fight a little like Tai Lung
You know, I was disappointed when the villains did not All speak. But, I was definitely glad to have Ti Lung. I also wished that he said "where is your master now when you need him?" That would have made the scene a bit more something. And then when he completes his line and Po says no problem or whatever he says, it would have been relieving to all of us and not just the characters. If you know what I mean. In this movie, I felt like we were alone for the ride, not a part of it like in the other movies. But, one well
What should have been done is that Chameleon should have absorbed the villains not just their spirits. After that, Po would break the thing that Chameleon was using or the "seal" making the villains' spirits be dispersed to various places around the world. That would have been a good cliffhanger. This would be a good start for a story where Po would travel to different places and gets wiser as time goes by. I have so many ideas for Tai Lung's redemption and for others' too. TL:DT.
I honestly like the film but i do agree that some parts felt rushed, alot of people where saying the chameleon got defeated pretty easily so I was expecting po to go in a defeat the chameleon in like 2 seconds because thats what people made sound like, but then they honestly have a pretty cool fight scene with the chameleon changing into different characters like shen and kai. Also the introduction of the chameleon was honestly pretty lame compared to the other 3 villains introduction, plus not showing the villain beating the furious 5 like the previous 3 villains really brings the villain down for me and of course not having the furious 5 is also a dagger, could you imagine for an introduction of the chameleon, what if she stole the kung fu of the furious 5 in her introduction and the furious 5 have to go back to the jade palace to warn shifu and po, then maybe po and shifu go on an adventure together to stop the chameleon, imo that would of been alot better then what we got
I don’t think the part you said about shen would work because the whole point of kung fu panda 2 was to show how po needed to accept and let go the weight and fear of shen
If only movies could have redos like "We know we messed up so we're giving you the real kung fu panda 4" Maybe movies do have something like this but I don't really know how it entirely works. I don't want a kung fu panda 5 that possibly fixes the mistakes, I want THE 4th movie done right. The Chameleon can be a good villain but we need to get rid of the "too small" part of the backstory. Or maybe no one cares about quality and it's all about the money but Dreamworks is the last company I'd expect to be like that, especially since they gave us Puss in boots: the last wish.
I would have been happy if the bird talked to much, the bull quipped lightly, and Tai lung pulled a shadow/sauske/vegeta & just grunted in begrudging jealous approval
I think apart from Tai Lung nobody else spoke because they need to bring those artists who gave voice to those characters and they may not be some small paid voice artists if you notice the furies five also doesn't speak in the last part of the movie. In conclusion what I'm trying to say is to make villains appear on the screen may cost a little bit but bringing actors who given the voice is too expensive.
"Some scenes felt rushed and unfinished" - that's the whole movie my guy. It's made only for money, what a shame for the original Kung Fu Panda trilogy
Yeah the movie felt really rushed and missed a lot of potential, but it doesn’t bother me much as I definitely enjoyed it, it was cute, goofy and really cool which is what I imagine a kfp movie to be, I just think it could’ve been way better let’s just hope kfp 5 makes an improvement whenever the hell that’s coming out
Honestly, tai lung was the only villain who should have come back. And, he should have stayed back. People didn’t want him back as fan service. They wanted him back because he is a compelling character. Plus, imagine a buddy cop movie where he HAS to work with po! That’s comedy gold! Far better than zhen. Tai lung, just like in tge movies has so much potential for greatness, only for the studios hubris to lead to their fall.
One thing I was wondering about that I never saw anyone else cover (not really related to this video) is how does Tai Lung know The Chameleon? Because he says things among the lines of "Po would never give Oogways staff to someone like you" and "I've underestimated you" signifying that he's aware about The Chameleons abilities and properties. So...
the writers and director had a very good and indepth plan for this film including shifu reuniting with tai lung but the studio decided to take short cuts and bad changes to the script and plot to make the film cheaper
I would’ve made Kung Fu Panda 4-6 RADICALLY different, the most prominent change being that the new main villain for ALL THREE movies is a panda (voiced by Mads Mikkelsen) who underwent the same body, mind and spirit journey as Po did but for the wrong reasons.
Yes it could have by not using the villains as batteries Shen could have been useful as chameleon’s general or something Kai could have tried to hunt down po for defeating him the first time So could have Tai Lung but eventually realized that he it was never his destiny and have a redemption arc and have him and shifu reunite But since we didn’t get that Dreamworks shot themselves in the foot
proof it was worst than the last 3 was that if felt short the other movies felt long due to how much i was enjoying the masterpiece (i guess) seriously it didn’t feel boringly long it felt like the writing and plot was so good that it feels long as to this movie, even if it was longer than the other movies, with a simple plot like that i probably still would’ve said “thats it?” at the end
Ok I’m going to take a Line from South Park when a dead person dies in hell and still ends up in hell. “Where did you think I’ll end up Jersey” you kill a spirit it go back to the spirit world what else you expect Kai was possibly just cleansed of the corruption from Kai stealing chi technique
I watched the movie to see and hear shen, i had to stop doing my math assignments to watch this and bet myself: "Shen isnt gonna talk, i shall continue my math." I got a good grade for the first time after. Atleast i get to see shen tho
Only thing I liked about the movie was how they mice the fighting styles together toward the end of the movie. The whole movie felt rushed and unpolished and desperately trying to squeeze this into the timeline but in reality it was just a cash grab
So when the chameleon gains wings in the 'dragon' form shen glares, and this version of the chameleon can fly, peacocks can fly but not very well so the chameleon does not make sense
Yeah, just story could be better. I thought this movie will have like the power duo between Po and Tai lung working together to stop powerful villains but student, master story is good too.
A different possible idea could have been a good plot twist instead of some random thief they could have had Tai Lung turn good and learn and he could finally have become the dragon warrior
And another thing po could’ve pick tai lung or tigress to be the dragon warrior tai lung in the first film he had skill and he was the first tiger to be in the jade palace and in the 4th film he forgave Po and they we cool so Po could’ve chose tai lung now let’s get to tigress in the first film oogway was about to point at her but Po got in the way a little bit so she waited and she had learned stuff but she could’ve been the dragon warrior and that’s all
Peace and calm villians was bad. Also they were there like cameo just do nothing stay like prisoners in cage. And no talk just going back to spirit realm. Everyone saying tai lung redemption but it doesn’t feel like it. He needed something more. This whole movie was made just for cameo.
I was hoping Tai Lung was somehow going to brought back from the spirit realm become the new Dragon Warrior and achieve his dream under Po but just not what happened.
You realized that was never his dream, that was Shifu's. He even said it himself, all he ever wanted was to make Shifu proud. That's why Oogway refuse to give him the title, Tai Lung wanted the title just to make somebody else's dream come true when that was not the purpose of being the DW.
I enjoy the movie but it's should have done a better job then just letting the movie down, lord shen and kai should have speak or the villains could have invited the world. Then more excitement for the the kung fu panda 4
Not to mention I also wish Tai Lung would return with Po to the Valley of Peace to reunite again with Master Shifu with the promise of becoming the next dragon warrior someday. Above all that especially. I don’t see how that undoes the first movie because we’ve misinterpreted the hidden message of the scroll. Anyone can be the dragon warrior, so Tai Lung can be too if he’s open to hear Po’s advice. Basically the hidden message of the first movie was not about coveted destiny but about personal growth and evolving into a better person to achieve your goals, so if Po can learn it, why not Tai Lung. Talk about wasting a better conclusion for his character when he could instead apologize to Po for his rivalry and finds peace again with Master Shifu to gain his trust back. I still think he should wait his turn though to become the next dragon warrior as he still owes many services to the Valley of Peace for his past crimes so that Po pardons him and legally ends his jail sentence, allowing Tai Lung to be remembered as the next hero instead of a fugitive in the eyes of the public when his turn comes, so for now Zhen doesn’t seem like a bad idea for Po’s next student. However I wanted a more promising ending for Tai Lung’s character to get another chance by returning to Shifu showing his respect again. Another thought I had was if maybe Tai Lung inherits the dragon warrior title to his nephew Peng from the Nickelodeon show to pass on his legacy, and I would like to see that happen in parts 5 and 6 as it looks like Tai Lung has chosen to live in the Spirit realm, so part 4 wasted a very good chance for him. Maybe Zhen makes his Peng her next apprentice and successor to honor Tai Lung’s legacy, but we’ll see what happens next. It would be great to see Tai Lung get yet another chance, but who knows. We’ll see what the animators come up with. Also let’s not forget Tigress. She too seems like a better alternative to be chosen as the next dragon warrior someday.
Shen: Hey i know i killed your entire race but lets be friends 😂
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😂😂😂
Species but yeah 😂 disappointed all in all
Terrible way to end off the franchise
@@alantzul1879well good news, there is still KFP5 and KFP6 coming in the foreseeable future
@@MrSamperi24 thank you for this let’s hope!
Yes and it would have been cool if all the villains fight the Chameleon along side po but that wouldn't have been possible because they were stripped of their Kung-fu and Let's acknowledge the fact that the past 3 villains have actual names and her name is just a chameleon.😳
Bro there's also the Furious Five. Their names aren't their animal name too.
@@fearfulclan2007 I think you mean they are?
@@fearfulclan2007The Furious Five get the exception since they’re characters that *aren’t* trash unlike Chameleon who isn’t written very well. “oH, Im ExAcTiNg ReVeNgE bEcAuSe ThEy SaId I wAs ToO sMaLl…” Bruh, take a look at Mantis who is waaaay smaller. But then again, she might’ve been jealous since they accepted Mantis but not her. 💀
@@fearfulclan2007what tigeris mantis viper crane and monkey thats the names of the animals what you on about
Boar's name is just Boar and I loved him
Apparently the Co-Director wanted to make Kung Fu Panda 4 more like the first two movies, and had better ideas, but was denied and was called a nobody by the rest of the crew.
Mike Mitchel sux
At the end of kfp 4 there was supposed to be a scene when shifu was there when tai lung and the villains bow to Po, shifu sees it, him and tai lung end up hugging, crying and this time tai lung accepts shifu's apology and tai lung apologized too but they scrapped it 😭 and I THINK another scene was the villains teaming up with Po to defeat the chameleon (I think that was the other scene they scrapped out)
@FriedFlakes667 He Does, and he was the one who didn't want to give Zhen and The Chameleon a Backstory.
@@tey0723 Damn. This really shows how much of a b*tch Mike Mitchell is. Honestly I hope he rots in hell
Source?
Considering Shen is a total genocidal peacock, every move he makes is a needle in someone's foot
Kai and Shen would get along since they wanted mass murder Tai Lung doesn’t belong with them
@@MMkillsINCTV Now that’s the spirit and I think Kai only wanted to become more powerful instead.
I think po will fight "himself" or something to complete the trio
tai lung: physical
shen: mental
kai: spiritual
chameleon: reflection of po
No, Chameleon: tests the audience’s patience
Although it was interesting how the predictions about Po having to fight a panda for the 4th movie was somewhat correct.
Reflection is accurate
@@ShockwaveFPSStudiosyeah cause she's Po's reflect but inverted.
One judge too fat and the other too small.
One who still continue to be a kung fu warrior despite the reject and the other who change her way and found something else.
One who learn kung fu with practice annd the other who steal skills of others.
I dont think po would be affected by shen's symbol beacuse in the second movie po found inner piece
The reason Kai and shen didn't speak was because their voice actors never returned to voice them. Which also happened with the furious five.
Yeah so they can keep the budget down.
@@routeone4790 well when you think about it most of the furious five actors are premium voice actors. Example monkey is Jackie Chan and tiger says Angelina Jolie.
@@Damonthepro6726 That's crazy they really weren't going to be involved in this
Not only did the directors not want to pay each actor to lend their voice, only the 3 films of the main triology cost more than 175 million compared to this one with only 80 million.
Hence the rush
Kung du panda 3 and 4 have an 8 year gap they could atleast put more work into it we've waited 8 years just to be given something mid when I could had waited another year for something amazing
The Chameleon had so much potential. There was so many parts that oozed it. Like her taking the form of Zhen to trick Po (along with the creepy laugh) and ESPECIALLY her becoming a horrific monster in a last ditch effort to take down Po. If only she had a backstory that's on par with the past 3 villains along with the movie having a better story in general.
My theory is when kai was destroyed, overtime his spirit particles started slowly forming together and re creating him.
I am onboard with this theory!
@@calvinfujii5921 and Kai didn't want to interrupt Tai Lung's sentence.
Maybe the spirit won’t be killed even their body blows up they will still reformed
Oh well. At least it's better then Megamind 2 😊
True that. Megamind 2 is probably the worst movie of all time.
@@skylord1846 Mulan 2020 is worse
@@bullymaguire71352 Really? Dang. I heard bad things about it, but I didn’t think it was THAT bad.
@@bullymaguire71352the live action? Havent watched it yet, but the animation movie was good though
JUST USE THE DEHYDRATION GUN, OH MY GOD!
I do agree that the movie was rushed.
Yeah that’s what I think is the best description for the movie rushed
Honestly, my ideal for Kung Fu Panda 4 would've been a two part movie. Making part 1 about an ancient tournament like Mortal Kombat and Chameleon playing a similar role like Shang Tsung. Having Po finding out that he's one of the warriors that symbolizes the Chinese Zodiacs and he's giving the quest to gather the other warriors across the world, leading until the last zodiac warrior, which is reveal to be The Monkey King.
And then making part two focusing on the tournament, the chinese zodiacs against the astrology zodiacs, leading to the main boss, the Chameleon. And her motivations will be way different than the one shown in the film, revealing that she's actually a demi-god and her purpose was to gather all the zodiac in order to release her father, which is an dark god who was prison by the previous zodiac warriors. Then defeating Chameleon at the end, but revealing at a credit scene that gate that was supposed keep that dark god inside starts cracking. Leading the dark god as the ultimate villain for the 5th film.
The Monkey King...Genius. Using actual Chinese Myth and Legends in the story of Kung Fu Panda is an amazing concept.
So this would’ve been the sequel trilogy of KFP? Who are the other characters that symbolize the Chinese and Astrological Zodiacs?
@@calvinfujii5921 @calvinfujii5921 Here's the interesting part. Picture this, Po is given the mission to gather these warriors and now he has to use his staff to travel around the world. Each of these champions will be characters from myths and legends from every culture known (something similar like God of War but more united). While the astrological zodiac, they'll be the antagonists that existed in these legends. So for example, we get to see characters like Morgan Le Fay, Hercules, Raijin, Imhotep , Baldur, Lancelot, etc.
Once Po gathered the champions, the Monkey King reveals himself, turning out to be just a kid. Putting Po in a major role not just as the leader of the zodiac warriors, but also the mentor of the new Monkey King destined to destroy the dark god.
@@Albino_WolfWow. You are genius.
there is a fancomic made by someone called nehezt, it involved a redemption arc for tai lung & had Po and the five in it as well, it's really well written and drawn and still in the process of being made, it's called "traces of spring"
Scene where Cameleon revived Tai Lung should've been at the start of the movie, not very end
Cameleon would've atleast had better introduction
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Also I feel like tai lung felt off in some scenes like he made a line that didn’t feel like him
I could’ve added more reason as to why Kai showed up in this movie even though he exploded from too many chi juice in the last movie, by just saying his essence was separated into different bacteria, and the Chameleon used all that bacteria to revive Kai, only to take his chi away.
That reason makes no sense, but it’s the only one I got so, deal with it.
The other thing I would’ve done is actually let Kai & Lord Shen talk. They could’ve brought JK Simmons & Gary Oldman to do the voices. It would’ve obviously allowed them to have closure with Po.
The last thing I do… Shifu gets captured by the Chameleon and that’s what convinces Po to free Zhen so they could go on a journey to stop the Chameleon. The movie would’ve ended with Shifu saying goodbye to Po, and so he joins Tai Lung to live in the Spirit Realm, so he could finally be in peace. Yeah… did I forget to mention Shifu needed closure with Tai Lung?
Bro Shen just glares at Po every now and then😢
I enjoyed the movie. Wasnt the best but the fights, animations detail etc looked great. But Zhen was a miss. She was a mary sue...didnt like her becoming the new dragon warrior. I dont see why Po had to become the spiritual leader when he doesnt meet the qualifications. When Zhen gave good advice I hoped she would be taking the spiritual leader place instead and Po stays as the dragon warrior. Ive seen people say Tigress should of gotten the role. WHile I want po to stay as the dragon warrior cause its what we knew him as at least Tigress getting the role would make much better sense than a thief he just met. Zhen just gets everything handed to her. She can already fight so I dont see why she needs training cause she somehow knows kung fu already. She's strong enough to throw po around and already mastered chi cause she made a chi dragon (which shouldnt of been a dragon cause po not only has a soul of a dragon but makes his chi a dragon to fit the dragon warrior role so it shouldnt be something anyone can do) and just masters everything. I dont know why Shifu couldnt be the spiritual leader.. he has more experience and learned everything from Oogway so I dont know why he had to make Po do it. Shifu would fit the role of spiritual leader far better than Po....
alot of stuff in kung fu panda 4 makes no sense
I think it would’ve been cool if at the ending all the past villains aka shen and Kai try to kill po but tai lung helps po and save him.
I feel the villans are neutreal. They don't like Po, so they won't help him. But they're also dead, defeated by Po, and just witnessed his true power, it'd be useless to try to fight him
Tai lung-starts speaking to po
Shen and Kai-dude I don’t wanna talk to this fatty just let us go home
I laughed so damn hard. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Bruh, Chameleon is the only villain with foreign name😂.
Edit: Her name should be,like Zhang Chung, Feng Xiao, or Guao Qiou
With?
with what?
@@iannaliswag8053 don’t you mean without
yes, without
One thing that I don't think gets talked about enough and that's Jennifer Yul Nelson. She was the head of the story in the first Kung Fu Panda film and then directed the second and third. With her not apart of thebfourth one something felt missing. Kinda makes you wonder how different the movie would be if she was involved
I was frankly confused why Kai and Shen didn't want revenge after Being released from the spirit realm.
I can see why Shen didn’t. Shen accepted his fate.
I feel liked the leader wolf from kung fu panda 2 should have come out the spirit portal too (the one that was killed by Shen)
We NEED tai lang redemtion arc.
They should make a part 2 for kungfu panda 4 for the ones that have already watched it😢
Shen and Kai didn't talk because the creators didn't want to pay high paying actors like Gary Oldman and J.K Simmons just to say one lines like "Well done, Po."
moral of the story: give old characters respect when making them return
Shen: HEYY EVEN IF I KILLED SOME OF UR RACE, CAN WE BE FRIENDS..?!
It started with tai, it ended with tai.
I didn’t think this was the last movie
Chameleon and Tai Lung could've had a great dynamic. Him being promised everything, her never given a chance, both ending up in a dark place from their opposite upbringings.
But the issue with bringing back the visions is that it would undo the development of the second movie, as it’s about Po finding peace with what happened, I do agree that the villains could use more depth, but such a move would be heavily criticized
Exactly.
While yes it would’ve been good to hear Shen and Kai again, but you have to take to consideration that sometimes not everyone will reprise their roles.
See famous actors like Gary Oldman and JK Simmons are busy with other things, they would’ve love to do these roles again, but the problem is if they are free to do them and scheduling too.
I have wondered what it would be like if Li encountered Lord Shen again and Li comes to have a Pstd moment or Anger moment to attack considering shen personally killed his wife in Kung Fu Panda 2 🐼
It would have been cool if tai lung escape at first then his redemption to po and Sui fu then when they are fight Ing chameleon tai lung save lord Shen and general Kai and they defeated the chameleon together
More Tai Lung would have made this movie 100000x better 💯
Idk why I find the noise Shen made when his kung tu was stolen funny
I was also kinda disappointed when the chameleon summons the warriors and only Tai Lung fough. I thought for sure atleast Kai would've fight a little like Tai Lung
You know, I was disappointed when the villains did not All speak. But, I was definitely glad to have Ti Lung. I also wished that he said "where is your master now when you need him?" That would have made the scene a bit more something. And then when he completes his line and Po says no problem or whatever he says, it would have been relieving to all of us and not just the characters. If you know what I mean. In this movie, I felt like we were alone for the ride, not a part of it like in the other movies. But, one well
What should have been done is that Chameleon should have absorbed the villains not just their spirits. After that, Po would break the thing that Chameleon was using or the "seal" making the villains' spirits be dispersed to various places around the world. That would have been a good cliffhanger. This would be a good start for a story where Po would travel to different places and gets wiser as time goes by.
I have so many ideas for Tai Lung's redemption and for others' too. TL:DT.
And Shen apologizing and accepting his crimes would have been awesome
I honestly like the film but i do agree that some parts felt rushed, alot of people where saying the chameleon got defeated pretty easily so I was expecting po to go in a defeat the chameleon in like 2 seconds because thats what people made sound like, but then they honestly have a pretty cool fight scene with the chameleon changing into different characters like shen and kai.
Also the introduction of the chameleon was honestly pretty lame compared to the other 3 villains introduction, plus not showing the villain beating the furious 5 like the previous 3 villains really brings the villain down for me and of course not having the furious 5 is also a dagger, could you imagine for an introduction of the chameleon, what if she stole the kung fu of the furious 5 in her introduction and the furious 5 have to go back to the jade palace to warn shifu and po, then maybe po and shifu go on an adventure together to stop the chameleon, imo that would of been alot better then what we got
I don’t think the part you said about shen would work because the whole point of kung fu panda 2 was to show how po needed to accept and let go the weight and fear of shen
Felt nice seeing the stomp of the spring lol. I'm pretty sure HE IS BOAR
I agree with everything you said...also Tigress should have been chosen as the next Dragon Warrior instead of Zhen...
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It's like he took the words out of our mouths, me and my buddy would've said the same thing.
Dreamworks: Nice ideas pal! Now shut up
If only movies could have redos like "We know we messed up so we're giving you the real kung fu panda 4"
Maybe movies do have something like this but I don't really know how it entirely works. I don't want a kung fu panda 5 that possibly fixes the mistakes, I want THE 4th movie done right. The Chameleon can be a good villain but we need to get rid of the "too small" part of the backstory.
Or maybe no one cares about quality and it's all about the money but Dreamworks is the last company I'd expect to be like that, especially since they gave us Puss in boots: the last wish.
Shen showing respect to Po is soo fuckin out of character man
Exactly. Kai too.
I would have been happy if the bird talked to much, the bull quipped lightly, and Tai lung pulled a shadow/sauske/vegeta & just grunted in begrudging jealous approval
If you’ve seen the deleted scenes of Shen, then you would get a better understanding on why Shen doesn’t needs to be imprisoned.
I think apart from Tai Lung nobody else spoke because they need to bring those artists who gave voice to those characters and they may not be some small paid voice artists if you notice the furies five also doesn't speak in the last part of the movie. In conclusion what I'm trying to say is to make villains appear on the screen may cost a little bit but bringing actors who given the voice is too expensive.
"Some scenes felt rushed and unfinished" - that's the whole movie my guy. It's made only for money, what a shame for the original Kung Fu Panda trilogy
Yeah the movie felt really rushed and missed a lot of potential, but it doesn’t bother me much as I definitely enjoyed it, it was cute, goofy and really cool which is what I imagine a kfp movie to be, I just think it could’ve been way better let’s just hope kfp 5 makes an improvement whenever the hell that’s coming out
Honestly, tai lung was the only villain who should have come back. And, he should have stayed back. People didn’t want him back as fan service. They wanted him back because he is a compelling character. Plus, imagine a buddy cop movie where he HAS to work with po! That’s comedy gold! Far better than zhen. Tai lung, just like in tge movies has so much potential for greatness, only for the studios hubris to lead to their fall.
kai is still here cuz you cant die when your dead 💀
Did Tai Lung get bigger in the spirit world? I thought he was roughly the same height as Po in the original movie.
He's still the same. He never aged
Honestly, when I first saw Tai Lung come out of that portal in the theater, I thought he was far bigger than he was in the first movie.
That's what I thought.
One thing I was wondering about that I never saw anyone else cover (not really related to this video) is how does Tai Lung know The Chameleon? Because he says things among the lines of "Po would never give Oogways staff to someone like you" and "I've underestimated you" signifying that he's aware about The Chameleons abilities and properties. So...
the writers and director had a very good and indepth plan for this film including shifu reuniting with tai lung but the studio decided to take short cuts and bad changes to the script and plot to make the film cheaper
Nah it was only the co director, Mike Michell and his bs crew ruined it all.
I would’ve made Kung Fu Panda 4-6 RADICALLY different, the most prominent change being that the new main villain for ALL THREE movies is a panda (voiced by Mads Mikkelsen) who underwent the same body, mind and spirit journey as Po did but for the wrong reasons.
Yes it could have by not using the villains as batteries
Shen could have been useful as chameleon’s general or something
Kai could have tried to hunt down po for defeating him the first time
So could have Tai Lung but eventually realized that he it was never his destiny and have a redemption arc and have him and shifu reunite
But since we didn’t get that Dreamworks shot themselves in the foot
proof it was worst than the last 3 was that if felt short
the other movies felt long due to how much i was enjoying the masterpiece (i guess)
seriously it didn’t feel boringly long it felt like the writing and plot was so good that it feels long
as to this movie, even if it was longer than the other movies, with a simple plot like that i probably still would’ve said “thats it?” at the end
Ok I’m going to take a Line from South Park when a dead person dies in hell and still ends up in hell. “Where did you think I’ll end up Jersey” you kill a spirit it go back to the spirit world what else you expect Kai was possibly just cleansed of the corruption from Kai stealing chi technique
In the future if Po well finally come to the Spirit realm I can imagine tai lung waiting for him there and greets him
Welcome home dragon warrior
I watched the movie to see and hear shen, i had to stop doing my math assignments to watch this and bet myself: "Shen isnt gonna talk, i shall continue my math."
I got a good grade for the first time after.
Atleast i get to see shen tho
Only thing I liked about the movie was how they mice the fighting styles together toward the end of the movie. The whole movie felt rushed and unpolished and desperately trying to squeeze this into the timeline but in reality it was just a cash grab
So when the chameleon gains wings in the 'dragon' form shen glares, and this version of the chameleon can fly, peacocks can fly but not very well so the chameleon does not make sense
AND THE FACT THAT SHEN DIED IN KUNG FU PANDA 2 WHEN THE CANNON FELL ON HIM
It should have been po, shen, Kai, and Tai lung that fought the chameleon to grow from their past and give depth and maybe a redemption arc for them.
Shen dedicated his whole life until the end to kill po and his kind
Ending felt rushed. Kai didnt speak bc they couldnt get the actors back to speak. Thats why only tai lung returned fully
It would've been cool if Po trained a shapeshifted chameleon without him knowing
Yeah, just story could be better. I thought this movie will have like the power duo between Po and Tai lung working together to stop powerful villains but student, master story is good too.
Lord Shen and Kai were added late in the development that’s why Gary Oldman and J K Simmons didn’t return
The thing that could've made it good was if they all jumped chameleon at the end. Or if they 1v1'd and beat themselves each
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Bro if the ferrous 5 where in the story it would be a w
Or I got a better idea. You guys want to hear it?
Call Kung Fu Panda 4 not canon or it doesn’t exist.
A different possible idea could have been a good plot twist instead of some random thief they could have had Tai Lung turn good and learn and he could finally have become the dragon warrior
They need the vice actors
A movie about a tai lung redemption arc would have been much better.
I would have loved Shifu seeing Tai Lung changing
The Chameleon could've just stolen Po's Kung Fu or she probably couldn't because he didn't have the golden thing around him???.
Tigress not becoming the next dragon warrior was also a bad move
Atleast Larry and Scott have voice line :D
The original screenwrite of KFP4 was Po going to the real world while being stuck in a phone the whole time
The lackluster of the treatment for the villains. There is no way that would lose to Chameleon that way.
And another thing po could’ve pick tai lung or tigress to be the dragon warrior tai lung in the first film he had skill and he was the first tiger to be in the jade palace and in the 4th film he forgave Po and they we cool so Po could’ve chose tai lung now let’s get to tigress in the first film oogway was about to point at her but Po got in the way a little bit so she waited and she had learned stuff but she could’ve been the dragon warrior and that’s all
But Tai Lung soloed her and 5, I think she is not fit for the role
Peace and calm villians was bad. Also they were there like cameo just do nothing stay like prisoners in cage. And no talk just going back to spirit realm.
Everyone saying tai lung redemption but it doesn’t feel like it. He needed something more. This whole movie was made just for cameo.
When I didn’t see the Furious Five is when I stopped caring.
Tbh it missed every possible opportunity that would make sense or at least give what fans wanted 😢💀
Getting Jk simmons and gary old man for a 30 second scene would cost a quarter of the budget
I was hoping Tai Lung was somehow going to brought back from the spirit realm become the new Dragon Warrior and achieve his dream under Po but just not what happened.
You realized that was never his dream, that was Shifu's. He even said it himself, all he ever wanted was to make Shifu proud. That's why Oogway refuse to give him the title, Tai Lung wanted the title just to make somebody else's dream come true when that was not the purpose of being the DW.
I wish they could have tai lung and po fight together.
Kai is a spirit warrior, wich means he’s immortal now
When that chameleon disguised as zhen while touching po, she looks so cute lmao. Idk why.
Calling KFP4 mid is generous
I enjoy the movie but it's should have done a better job then just letting the movie down, lord shen and kai should have speak or the villains could have invited the world. Then more excitement for the the kung fu panda 4
Not to mention I also wish Tai Lung would return with Po to the Valley of Peace to reunite again with Master Shifu with the promise of becoming the next dragon warrior someday. Above all that especially.
I don’t see how that undoes the first movie because we’ve misinterpreted the hidden message of the scroll. Anyone can be the dragon warrior, so Tai Lung can be too if he’s open to hear Po’s advice. Basically the hidden message of the first movie was not about coveted destiny but about personal growth and evolving into a better person to achieve your goals, so if Po can learn it, why not Tai Lung.
Talk about wasting a better conclusion for his character when he could instead apologize to Po for his rivalry and finds peace again with Master Shifu to gain his trust back. I still think he should wait his turn though to become the next dragon warrior as he still owes many services to the Valley of Peace for his past crimes so that Po pardons him and legally ends his jail sentence, allowing Tai Lung to be remembered as the next hero instead of a fugitive in the eyes of the public when his turn comes, so for now Zhen doesn’t seem like a bad idea for Po’s next student. However I wanted a more promising ending for Tai Lung’s character to get another chance by returning to Shifu showing his respect again.
Another thought I had was if maybe Tai Lung inherits the dragon warrior title to his nephew Peng from the Nickelodeon show to pass on his legacy, and I would like to see that happen in parts 5 and 6 as it looks like Tai Lung has chosen to live in the Spirit realm, so part 4 wasted a very good chance for him. Maybe Zhen makes his Peng her next apprentice and successor to honor Tai Lung’s legacy, but we’ll see what happens next. It would be great to see Tai Lung get yet another chance, but who knows. We’ll see what the animators come up with.
Also let’s not forget Tigress. She too seems like a better alternative to be chosen as the next dragon warrior someday.
Mrs Chameleon Was My favourite character
The reason why I think they didn't make kai and shen talk is probably because they couldn't find the voice actors or something like that