We Have All Been Air Rolling WRONG...
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We Have All Been Air Rolling WRONG... Today's video is a little look into a new discovery that has been made around air rolling in rocket league through zen and his controller binds. This is everything you need to know about the air rolling controller binds and how they can change the way you play rocket league
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Can you use this on playstation?
@@TuftyWardenJr yeah probs, just connect your epic account
@@TuftyWardenJr yes you can, I use it on playstation.
The words you’re looking for are digital vs analog inputs. Digital inputs are either on or off (1 or 0) and analog inputs are a floating point value from 0 to 1. A flip requires an analog directional input above a certain threshold, so holding air roll below that threshold will allow an empty jump.
You are absolutely correct! Though the analog signals from the analog stick and triggers are technically still digital! Using analog to digital converters, the controller will read the voltage output from the triggers and sticks and convert them into a digital value. For example, PlayStation has 8 bit resolution on its analog features. Meaning that the trigger untouched will put out a digital value of 0, or 00000000 in binary. and fully pressed would output a value of 255, or 11111111 in binary. Half pressed would be at 127, or 01111111 in binary. So it’s actually not a “true” analog signal, as if it was there would be infinitely many values. As you increase resolution, for example the 16 bit resolution on Xbox controllers, you gain more values! (And in turn get closer and closer to a true analog signal) For 16 bit you get 65,536 values to be exact. A true analog signal could be thought of having infinite bit resolution.
When it’s assigned to a button press, it’s either on or off as you said. When it’s assigned to an analog feature, you gain access to 256 different rates of air roll rotation. 0 being the slowest and 255 being the fastest. (0-255 is 256 values if you were to count zero as your first step)
I know no one asked, but it’s just a bit of insight to how these devices work!
Binary vs analog, actually. Not digital. Digital inputs can be analog. Binary cannot be analog.
@CalvoFantasmagorico there's analog keyboards....
@@tshupenia8940 well if you wanna be that particular about it, the signals from the stick and triggers are still analog, not digital, just that the controller converts it to a format the computer understands.
Pretty sure its due to pressure sensitive triggers
The funny thing is, I just started learning directional air roll a few days ago, and already started practicing with it on L2. I just chose that button because it didn’t really cause any other changes I needed to make with my button layout. But I was about to change it since nobody else had put it there, and I felt there was something I was missing. This video couldn’t have come out at a better time
Same
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Man, doesn't ever happend to you that when jumping you accidentally air roll because you were using reverse gear? Like when you gotta half flip to recover? Cause i tried using it on L2 and i felt it even better than square, but because of this, i'm using square again, any tips on how to avoid this problem? Should i just practice more?
I remember you asked about editing styles a while ago and i will say i really like this style where it doesnt focus too much on like bunch of text or show unnatural(?) camera angles. Nice vid
Oh good to know!!
@@Thanovic yeah i really liked it too.
@@Thanovic I personally prefer the other editing style. It's really cool. Maybe you should do a poll!
I've figured this out when I noticed that the throttle was also trigger sensitive. It only made sense. I have free roll on LB (L1) with drift and left air roll on left trigger. Since you cant air roll left while driving in reverse. Makes the half flip a little awkward though. --- You can bring your air sensitivity way up and have all speed trigger sensitive.
what do you brake with?? im new lol
@@slaterz you can bind the directional air roll and brake to the same button since you don't need to brake in the air
@@Rispy thanks
How do you recover quickly when powerslide, air roll left, AND brake are on left trigger? I'm trying to learn but I can't get past that part
@@pursuitofcode8287 no, airroll left and break are on L2, poweslide and normal airroll are on L1. just hold L1 to perform a clean landing :)
Kinda funny how I’ve been watching zen lately and have been so fascinated with his car control and the little movements he does to get the perfect touches. I’m gc2 and still need to work on my car control
You can do this mechanic with both air roles using only one trigger. Let me explain, by using the same idea of the directional stall jump shown in the video we can use that same idea to air role. By slightly holding down on the left trigger with air role bound and fully holding down your other air role you can slow down the air role not bound to your trigger.
Yea, interestingly, I was thinking the same thing. Gonna give this a try.
Roll, not role.
Sorry, it was too many times to ignore...
Yeah, but why would you use 2 buttons if you can use 1?
@@daniele5229 bc some ppl like having both directions at their disposal, second is that the analog input you get from L2 can be reversed by assigning the opposite air roll direct using another on/off (aka digital or discrete) input such as L1. If you push L1 you roll the opposite direction and using L2 you can control the speed of that direction but instead you’d be controlling how much it slows the roll
The funny thing is that i've unintentionally done this for a long time to get better control during my air rolls. Only after watching this video and reading this comment is when i actually realised that i've held down both buttons. However binding air roll to L2 to be able to feather the air roll aswell as having another another air roll bound has to be the best option.
It's been more than 6 months i use air roll left on L2 being GC2.
It doesnt change a lot the gameplay. It do change a little but way much less than people tend to believe lately.
And to focus on Zen he almost doesnt use this low rotation roll thing. Actually in game you just cant hold your L2 button like that, it goes to fast.
I dont discourage people learning but it's not as game changer people think. I was GC2 in 2s/3s before, i am still GC2 now, i did not turn to Zen after my switch.
Tbh, the reason people are so hyping this up is predominantly because Zen's recent success in the 1v1 scene. Also, before that he was still a monster, a newbie who is very mechanical, so what he does with his control became a hot topic.
After a few months when players will figure out his playstyle and start countering his playstyle in the 1v1 matches, you won't see this hype regarding his control that much. So far in 1v1, he has just played a One Time Series against every opponent, if let's say Joreuz, Rezears or Mawkzy play him Again for the 2nd time, the results may differ.
It's something people can give a try, as I did. However, like you, nothing game changing. And in all honesty, this is not really helping me/Zen anything new to do that can't be executed by what we are using currently. I mean, zen's flip reset control is not anything unlike, like someone like, let's say Joreuz or Firstkiller or Yanx or Nwpo or any of the top mechanical players. He is crazy good, but not someone exceptional in those moves, like Flip reset/Air dribble or recoveries Completely unlike other mechanical players. I felt like what he did better than other players in 1v1 is that he had a solid ground control as well as aerial one. Rather than in the air, the way he varies his pace in the ground and suddenly accelerates, really catches people off guard.
But again, if people wanna experiment with it then power to them.
So true totally overhyped. When do you even want to air roll slowly? If I need to time the spin for a touch or reset I can just stop pressing the button for a moment + regular or "stick" air roll has always been a thing.
Awesome! I just have one issue with this. It effects my half flips on the ground.
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You could bind the air-roll right to R2, and air-roll left to L2, and as you begin your half-flip, press them both at the same time briefly to counter-act the spin. Then when the car is in the air , you let one of them go to complete the half-flip. And if you want to fast-aerial, you have to make sure to press L2 briefly as you take off (if you were holding R2 already), to cancel any spinning. It is definitely more steps to cover in a short time to complete the mechanics, but definitely is very satisfying to have control of your directional air-roll.
Great video, you remain my first source of information on RL techniques. You've taught this old fella a lot. Thanks!
you can use the wooting keyboard on kbm
The crazy thing is, everybody already "knew" that when nobody used directional air roll
If you watch the cjcj podcast, chicago and torment both said this just wont give enough advantage to be worth relearning. Zen is simply insane, the air roll doesnt boost that
Ive never used normal air roll, ive always used right stick for air roll left and right, which gives you the most controll, sacrificed some quickchat bindings for camera controll. Never made sense to me to use normal air roll where you always have to use 2 inputs
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I changed the binds like 2 weeks ago, and I npticed 2 problems, first is half flips, having air roll left on the same button as reverse makes it so that when you try and flip backwards it gets all weird, and second is when you have to jump backwards to get a save, it messes the fast aerial a lot, the way I see to solve these is holding the free air roll button (for me is L1) as you jump, this cancels the directional air roll. Although they have easy solutions, it makes it that you need more time to get use to the new bindings
L2 for both air roll left/right and driving backwards is messing me up as well. It's mostly in defense as well, when you have to adjust a little and go for a jump immediately.
I’ve been doing this since I started to learn air roll the only downside I’ve had with this is sometimes when I go for ceiling shots I’ll hold air roll a little bit to long and end up braking on the ceiling.
i really like this video and editing style. super clean and not distracting while being super informative :D
I actually tried this a few months ago because I was trying to find a way to bind both air rolls without losing buttons
Wrote it off in the end as I thought the loss/variations in speed (braking in the air DOES slow you down) plus all new muscle memory to learn would hinder more than help
turns out I'm just not good enough lol
Haha nah I think those are valid points. Same for me, tried it, thought it was overrated + the relearning and slow down like you mentioned didn't seem worth it. I thought the same thing could be achieved with simply releasing the air roll button real quick like any pro would and I've always made tiny corrective movements in the air with regular air-roll which you can also slow down depending on how fast you move the stick.
I don't think you're "just not good enough", I've come to the same conclusion. Braking in the air makes a difference, even if it's just a small one, and if you need to press brake down 100% to get 100% air roll left, you're definitely at a disadvantage if you want to air roll left as hard as possible the moment you jump, as you can't start pressing it before jumping without braking. Now whether those downsides compared to the advantages end out with a net positive, that's a different question to answer, but all your concerns are definitely valid.
Was looking at the comment to say that it was definitely not as big of a deal as everyone made it out to be, but I'm gonna answer your comment by actually defending this instead.
I've had air roll left and right bound to L2 and R2 for years. If you're worried about being slowed down, I would suggest not air rolling at all. Straight line will always be the fastest. If you need to air roll for more than a quarter of a second, then speed was not your number one priority anyway.
And judging from my experience, the sensitivity on the triggers is extremely high, meaning you'll get 100% air roll by pressing it about 30% of the way. So you can air dribble just as fast after a jump than having air roll on square for example.
But, if you ever feel like both of these things are still worse somehow, just bind air roll right to R2. That way you keep accelerating while air rolling so you don't lose speed, and you will instantly begin air rolling as soon as you jump, since you were already pressing that button.
I tried many times to change back, because yes there are issues with that layout, but I just can't stand having to use fat thumb, it's way too cumbersome, same for regular air roll.
@@UberDragon I saw someone's comment saying if you increase aerial sense it decreases the amount you have to pull the trigger to air roll so I think the braking could be negated. I still don't feel it is worth switching to because it can mess up half flips.
@@tibhamel interesting! I use DAR only on square but you made me think about R2 which will probably be more natural. Does it make you flip to the side tho when your flipping forward? Since I think I mostly hold down acceleration when flipping thinking 🤔
Or what are the issues you’ve already identified with it?
I'm GC and used to have air roll left bound to L2 for a few months, but I truly DON'T think there is an advantage to having it there. Normal air roll overrides directional air roll, so you can just use that when you need to make a tiny adjustment, this is what all the pros currently do. BUT there are certain important disadvantages to having directional on L2:
1. Holding reverse in air SLOWS you down. Thus, you have to use more boost to reach balls. The only way to counteract this is to also hold R2 while you're in the air, but even then it will bring you to neutral momentum. If you hold R2 in air without L2 you actually move forward slightly.
2. It makes half flips, landing backwards, and all things reverse, much more clunky. You can basically ONLY hold reverse when you're on the ground. Never even slightly before or slightly after, or the air roll will mess you up. It takes a lot of getting used to. If you hold normal air roll at the same time as L2, it will cancel the directional, then you can hold mid-air or when half flipping and avoid the air roll mess up.
I have watched tons of Zen clips, but I have never found an instance where he was obviously the fine tuned air roll it as mentioned in this video. He seems to only mash the button down and get the full rate of spin.
For me, the slow-down in air, half flips, recoveries, reversing, etc, was too impacted by this and I had to change back to the standard App Jack/ Thanovic controls of square and circle, while using normal air roll for other adjustments. I think in the end there is a greater competitive advantage to the standard controls.
@Thanovic. I know that gas and brake effect flip reset touches. Might be worth noting going through the process of learning this new bind.
@@GoblinUrNuts I agree, it is not impossible, but I did not say "bad" at any point, sorry you miss understood. I spent 1000 hours doing flip resets holding gas. the second I learned to stop doing this it made sense why it was so hard for me to learn it to begin with.
I know that this is about directional air roll but if you use the normal air roll where you are adjusting with the stick while holding the air roll button, you can do the same thing, just push the stick slightly into the direction you wanna go and you have the exact same thing with even more freedome since you are not bound to left or right only.
For example, i use an xbox controller, have my drift/powerslide on LB and also normal air roll on LB so i can powerslide, jump and instantly start air rolling with maximum precision. Air roll right is bound to RB.
But then again you could just switch to regular air roll just when you'r about to hit the ball. You would get the same effect.
What do you mean? Help me understand
Currently a c2 trying to learn aerials and aerial car control this has changed my air control I no longer fat thumb my jump and air roll left bind
Im glad you brought up this point. Ive had airoll binded on L2 for the whole time ive played rocket league (started in May 2022 had a LOT of breaks) and ive always thought that anyone would be able to do this with any binding. If you want to change now as it will take A LOT if time to get used to new bindings
Nah take a day to break that muscle memory
I changed to my airoll bind to L2 like 25 minutes ago. It really doesn‘t take that long to get most of the mechs back since you already know how airoll works
@@Moro1 True however for lower level players who dont yet understand or are trying to understand like players in diamond or champ who had airoll binded (like me) it could get difficult for them im dia 2 myself still trying to get a hang of things 😅
If you are good enough at the game it shouldn’t take too long to get the new binds down. Maybe newer players might have a tougher time
I'm gc3, I had tried so many different slight keybind changes but it takes wayyy too much time for it to be a benefit to me
YES, I was troubled about losing regular brake in the air because it's good for stabilizing the flip reset. Just realized if both directional air rolls are pressed I can use brake in the air without rolling, I'll have to time it though, but worth it for this.
Wait what? I've had arl and arr to both triggers for years, and never managed to get consistent at flip resets. Never heard about breaking to stabilise it though, does it really matter that much?
So I've been using air roll left on LT(L2) for over a year now cause my LB(L1) button is broken, and for those that have trouble with half flips, the key for me is not to reverse while jumping but only while still on the ground and hold the the left stick back and half flip normal, takes a little time to get used to it but it feels natural after a little while.
P.S Thank you Thanovic for making this vid this just affirmed I've been using air roll correctly and don't need a new controller haha
I too broke my controler and used LT for air Roll left but i switched back to LB when i got a New One. Might try it again but it felt really odd
Bro I’m not reading anymore after that first sentence 😂 if you don’t get you a controller gang 😂😂😂
@@Vxccine_ lol, I only really play RL so didn't feel the need to get a new one
To truly unlock the full potential Psyonix just needs to add a shift button. L2 can be left roll while holding square and L2 is right roll
You can do this is you use steam input. Just saying.
@@xandon24 I am doing this with my elite controller now with a paddle as shift to flip the buttons. Only issue is that if its not bound to an analog button the game does it see it that way. So while you can do it, it defeats the whole point if you can't get the speed control for both directions
If you have an elite controller you can use your right analog stick for air roll and your back paddles for abxy
I've been using ARL/ARR on right stick for over a year, and all the benefit you described are absolutely worth it. Best use case for AR + jump at the same time is when dropping of the wall to down-flip to the ground faster, also for micro adjustments when tornado spinning off the ground.
It's also important to note that it is the analog value of the input that determines whether or not you flip when dodging, and not the rotational speed of the car. The dodge occurs at roughly 50% of max analog input (based on my settings), which is about half of the max roll speed when sensitivity is set to default. If you increase aerial sensitivity to let's say 10 (max), your car reaches full roll speed before hitting that 50% threshold, and can dodge w/o flipping while rotating at full speed. IMO the tradeoff isn't worth it as i like to have a wider input range and am also old and slow, but for a pro it would be worth to increase sens so that full rotational speed correlates with the dodge-flip threshold.
Here I thought I was the only person who had ARL/ARR binded to the right stick! It makes a world of difference imo
But, then, what is your boost binded to? I'm trying to envision myself using this, but alas, I have over 2k hrs with X (square on PS) as my boost.. I assume RB (R1), perhaps? Cheers.
I also use my right analog stick for air roll left and right. When. I tell people what my air roll bottons are they laugh and say it's weird. I used to really high sensitivity but I've kind of lowered it over time. Although, recently been messing with it again. Always trying to perfect myself.
@MVN STN I press the analog stick to jump boost and drift are on my bumpers and I use my bottons for camera control.
@@MvnStn my boost is bound to Left Trigger, with gas being bound to the Right one!
I've had my air roll left l2 and right r1 since I first started playing (around a year and a half ago). I thought you guys all did something similar due to how precise your hits are in your videos. Especially for half flips, wave dashes, etc...
What do you have your reverse on? im trying to get put onto using this control but dont know where to put some inputs
There are very slight increases/decreases in momentum when holding throttle/brake while in the air. If you just jump and hold brake you will noticeably go backward. Vice versa if you hold throttle. So if you are switching to this setup, keep that in mind bc you may feel slower/faster and it's not a placebo.
Also, it's not ideal to be throttling while going for resets, so keep that in mind if you are using RT/R2 for directional air roll and trying to get resets
I was looking for someone that address this issue. Would there be anyway to avoid this ? It’s a shame because that’s almoast perfection xD
@@antoinecellier I've switched to it and honestly there isn't much of a difference if there even is one. Since you are in the air while boosting the reverse momentum is kinda nullified. Boost takes over and I feel the same speed as I did b4 without air roll on l2
@@antoinecellier 8 months late but i honestly think the very slight speed decrease really helps with aerial car control and keeping the ball close, if you want to aerial as fast as possible you shouldn't really be air rolling at all anyway, just to make last minute adjustments and more controlled touches
If anyones gonna bind it to one of the triggers then bind it to L1 or whatever u brake with. U dont wanna be holding air roll/accelerate while u get a reset because then the ball doesn't stay as close as it does when braking. Minor but since ur putting emphasis on it helping the first touch then u might aswell think bout resets aswell.
When I was going to try to learn directional air roll, LT my first choice. It was swiftly abandoned due to my habit of holding reverse for a half flip.
This works the same for normal air roll bound to L3. Normal airroll speed is based on where that stick is anyway.
This is actually possible on kbm through analogue keyboards such as the wooting 60he. This could actually be an advantage to kbm players because any or all buttons can be analogue.
did ctrl+f and typed "key" just to see if someone had a solution to this for kbm. Tyvm my fellow kbmer.
@@TheFormerTeam anytime bro🙏 I remember watching ur wall dash tutorial a while ago lol
5:21 I wonder what would happen if a keyboard player tried Wooting's analog input, since you map it to what you want. Left stick, right stick, or L2/R2
LED the freestyler did this 4 years ago when the wooting one was a thing. you can even see him doing a slower air roll in his review video(0:37 in that video) of the wooting one.
The video is called "I Bought An Analog Keyboard (Wooting One For Rocket League Impressions/Review)".
Been using the right thumbstick ever since I started playing the game. Wild how people never trial, error, and discover things themselves.
Reminds me of the time the internet lost it's mind because everyone learnt that putting toilet paper in the bowl before sitting down prevents backsplash. Baffling people don't figure that out themselves as kids.
I want to point out a slight issue which is that since most people including me have reverse binded to the left trigger (controller) and if we bind this air roll as the left trigger also when you reverse to back flip you car does a weird backwards diagonal flip, anyone have a suggestion around this?
You have to let go of the left trigger right as your car becomes airborne when u half flip. Its annoying af at first but you will eventually get used to it.
Bind reverse to x or square, just swap your reverse button with your directional airroll button
Is there a concern about reversing while doing an aerial? I was talking to Leumy once and he said that holding drive/reverse could mess up flip resets.
That's a real concern but I'm not sure. We know acceleration works in the air but don't know about reverse. If true that would actually slow you down ever so slightly mid air.
personally speaking, i have had rl since 2016 and i’m an xbox og. ive had this setting since probably early 2017 after seeing fluump talk abt the tornado spin in a video. from the start in 2017 i used LT or L2 as my air roll. so i have over 5 years experience using the trigger air roll (i will prove this if i need to.) the trigger air roll makes learning directional air roll way easier, i was a gold/plat around then and i learned exceptionally good car control for my rank really fast. i have well over 2k hours into the game now and all the concerns about half flipping, don’t bind directional left to your left trigger. i have my right air roll on my left trigger, i don’t know why i chose to do this but it makes half flipping still possible and i don’t doubt if you bound air roll left to RT or R2, that you could do the same thing. dynamic air roll is really useful and makes learning aerial car control MILES easier. i’m surprised it took that long for people to realize that triggers are dynamic inputs, i mean it’s literally apart of rl. if you hold your trigger down half way, you get half throttle. same thing for air rolling, and since braking/gas doesn’t have much effect in the air outside of recoveries.
I've been playing since 2015 and my air roll left and right are bound to L2 and R2 ever since I learned that directional air roll is a thing
Was actually looking into how Zen uses directional air roll and this video popped up 😅
@dorcasgbenga-yq6de shut up
i almost never comment anywhere but i just gotta say. your mindset is an inspiration. always lookin where U can improve, not focusing on others. also i like people not being afraid of making mistakes and standing up to them too. just know Mr.Thanovic...u impacted my life alot, aside from rocket league and i dont even watch ur streams. this channel is amazing and i hope to see content from u 4 a long time 2 come :D
Oh, well thank you! I appreciate the insanely kind words!! ❤️
Impacted your life how?
@@ImDino Carfutball is life!
@Thanovic. The switch to L2 air roll is a game changer. You have so much mor control of your car/ball by being able to “feather” air roll. You 100p need to make the switch bc once this goes viral everyone will want to know how to do it
I am using the right analog stick for air roll left and right, RT for drive forward RB for drift, LT for boost, LB for jump. Drive backwards on right analog down.
this was literally the only bind that made sense for me when i started learning air roll, also tapping reverse off the wall/ceiling into an aerial can help a lot
after everyone zen has beaten, and his overall performance. can we just agree that he’s the best player in the world?
No because he hasent proven himself in a TRUE rlcs tourney situation
Until he plays a tourney you can’t say
No Daniel exists.
@@GamesJames i get that 2020 sucked for everyone, but bro 2020 ended 3 years ago 💀
Nah trk Is still left
I've always had my air roll left bound to LT and I've never noticed this... Ty
I haven't heard anyone talk about the disadvantages of having a direction air roll on L2 yet. At this point in the meta Zen lands flat smooth and fast, at a level above almost all other players.
However while he uses a single direction air roll on the same key as his break, it means he has trouble landing hard smooth and level. With an increase in prejumps, turns into and out of wave dashes, keeping control and staying smooth while landing hard, it is likely to be a more important style of movement
Pressing brake shifts the cars momentum backwards slightly and this is also a extra slight bit of stability zen takes advantage of, Jstn used to use it a fair bit. This can be a drawback in some manner to potential power through the ball and flow of movement, although its not as impactful as the prior drawback. He's the best atm but depending on how the meta and other player progress there's a chance he'll be overshadowed in these aspects of the game given his binds. Not close to prevalent yet but watching his gameplay, there are also limitations.
My solution for air roll (which also gives full variable input) has been to have air roll left and right bound to right thumb stick left and right (along with some creative binds so that I never have to use the four face buttons at all), so all flight control is done using both thumb sticks.
What rank are u
C1-C2, roughly something like 1500 hours in game
I have both directional air rolls on R2 and L2.
But your solution is also pretty interesting.
Can you tell us your complete bindings?
@@TheVallanes Sure, jump on press right thumb stick, ball cam toggle on press left thumb stick, boost on right bumper and power slide on left bumper, air roll left/right on right thumb stick left/right
I lose the ability to move the camera around with the right thumb stick but I never used it outside of looking at wacky stuff in the goal replays anyways
Ok it’s sounds great but what about looking around the field. I’m genuinely intrigued as a gc1 who is changing their controls
I personally have air roll left and right bound to my right stick. Had it this way for a long time. This has it's downsides and caveats for sure, but it just feels really nice and comfy and I don't think I'd ever want to go back.
Obvious caveats though is that it means look left and right have to be on buttons instead of analog controls which can be an issue for sure. That said direction looks I find are mostly used for quick peaks which is perfectly doable with the right camera speed settings. Also I find 95% of the time toggling ball cam on and off is all that's needed for camera controls. Other awkwardness is the look up and down on the same stick as air roll, however I never found much issues with it as I'm never using look up and down at the same time as air roll and the very minor camera tilts if not perfectly moving the stick left or right aren't noticeable, particularly with ball cam on.
Really though at the end of the day, air roll on right stick just feels good to me and game feel is a big reason why I love Rocket League.
I do this too. I have rear view on RS click and camera toggle on LS click. Jump is on L1 and boost on R1. Then I just have free air roll and powerslide on square. Then the three remaining face buttons for camera swivel down, left, and right. I barely have to move a finger with these bindings.
It surprises me that this comes as... a surprise, to so many people - I thought the default binding (for controller) was on trigger + thumbstick for air roll, which might not be the best for landing and control always, but its a dynamic input that allows you to move slower and slighter, more precisely, by default.
But yeah, for keyboard and mouse players, unless you have a Wooting keyboard with dynamic inputs, you're stuck to full on 0 / 1 input and have to adjust.
I've struggled to find a comfortable rebinding for air roll and drift to synergise nicely because I don't like the analog (0/1) air roll binds FOR this reason, which is why I stuck to default of trigger release air roll and thumbstick for control. But I might try setting it to a dynamic button for left / right rather than just air roll release, and see how it pans out with landing control.
Oh man, I'm 20 hours into learning directional air roll and it already feels too late to change the binding. I couldn't imagine someone with 1k plus hours having to make those adjustments.
I think im sticking to my settings. Theres still overall improvement to mate that isnt restricted by current settings
Thing is I’ve been doing this ever since I started playing rocket league and I always had problems air rolling and hitting the ball in the past but as I move up in the ranks I can see the importance of it because I have more control over my car while in the air. I also did recently start tapping my trigger and it has significantly improved my air roll control and timing.
> KBM players get a disadvantage...
> **Laughs in analog keyboard**
They have analog keyboards so kbm players can still do this which is cool. Its a good idea just adding it to L2 since it wont affect normal ground play with it double bound and you can keep your normal air roll binds and only use it for that fine control. I keep L1 bound for using the analog stick to air roll to help with how I land from being in the air. Great video!
no one actually has analogue keyboards since theyre expensive and there are very few of them
@@AFlyingBird702 doesnt mean they cant get them. Pros who use mkb would. Its like smash bros melee players. They buy $400 modded gamecube controllers because they have tech in them that gives them the advantage over non-modded. Im sure there's non-pros who have that controller too. This is no different.
they technically still digital but they have so many degrees of digital input it's easier to just call them analog since that's what they're replicating
@@soulextinguisher that's a nothing point - controllers are the same
I only use default airroll, u have the same effect while moving the Joystick just slightly. But i think AR left ord AR right bounded is better for mechanics. I just dont wanna restart my learning curve with airroll tbh xD
Hey Thano, I really hope you see this because you're the guy that tests stuff out and I feel like it's best to leave this info with you.
I'll copy paste my comment from other replies: "Is it at all possible that that almost negligable amount of reverse input you get in the air actually helps Zen control the ball to a higher degree because he's getting ever so slightly softer touches due to slowing down a miniscule amount? I've only found a handful of people that actually acknowledged this fact and I feel like it's something severly underrated. Up until now I thought just accelerating worked in the air but if reverse works too then it's absolutely possible that part of Zen's high level of control might be due to the fact that he's slowing down slightly, not just because he has a dynamic air roll. And this honestly feels like a game changing discovery for me because if you can get _both_ softer touches _and_ slightly improved ball control on a single bind well that's kind of a big deal honestly. We need to get more high ranked people to test this stuff out because I feel like it could explode in a couple of months the same way wall dashes and zap dashes did"
1500 hours in this game, just rebound air roll left to L2. Had to flip my boost and handbrake bindings to make it make sense and my ground control is back to bronze.
Slow air rolling is so sick though.
great video! any ideas for halfflip? having driving backwards and airroll will mess up the halfflip
Drive backwards and right before you half flip let go.
I had personally experimented with having air roll bound to my right stick for this reason, but obviously missed having the camera control. I never thought to put it on a trigger.
To all KBM players out there, theres analog keyboards available so you can take advantage of this, the Wooting 60HE or razer huntsman analog are 2 options
“And that is Zen” puts daniel. lmao
Tbh in my opinion, kbm players actually have a HUGE advantage with their car controle, as by now knowing this new fact, they could just simply switch to an analog keyboard and all you mentioned as a disadvantage now becomes a advantage as they won't have to relearn their muscle memory of their keybinds
I was really stoked to try out this new way of airrolling, so I hopped on free play and gave it a try. Just realised something weird. The L2 and R2 buttons seems to be nonbinair for driving, but for airrolling it starts fully airrolling halfway. I hoped to find a gradual increase in speed of airrolling. Anyone else facing the same thing?
Which controller are you on ?
@@the_prophecyyy Scuf 4ps pro
I think u gotta make a settings video again 😂
I am aware that you have done this recently but i beg of you to remake it with yout new bindings
I'm amazed I never considered this or heard anyone mention it before...makes a lot of sense
question.. you say holding reverse in the air doesnt do anything, but if you jump and hold reverse you will land further back than where you started; would this not be slowing your boost slightly? just as holding drive would otherwise help you be a bit faster in the air?
break/throttle only have a slight effect on velocity while not boosting, but none when boosting. i think there's a video of rocket science (yt) on this topic
My platinum mind was blown by this Discovery. I had no ideas that was even possible
Lol, I'm a GC3 and I have never used normal air roll. I started with having my air rolls on L2 & R2, but for 2 years now have switched to using my right stick for it. Most intuitive controls I have ever used, and analog as well!
Funnily enough this is how i set my right air roll after swapping out from a xbox pro controller to a gulikit.
I used to have my rolls on the back pedals but since the gulikit controller doesn't have those the L2 seemed the most natural to swap to since i already had a muscle memory of rolling with the buttons on the back of a controller.
And yeah the control difference for 1st touches this makes it insane even tho it can be a hassle to get used to
I switched my left Air Roll to L2 about a 2 weeks ago, at first I thought it was a placebo effect, but the improvement in my air control was pretty much instantaneous, of course I I already have more than 1000 hours of gameplay so I already understand a little about controlling the car to reach the ball, But my "first" touches on the ball are much more consistent, the fit in the car seems to make more sense now as the movement is smooth, At first I had difficulty with Half Flips, but I managed to get used to it.
Can you give me any tips on learning air roll? I’ve been playing for awhile and it feels so uncomfortable to air roll. I don’t see how or why people fly in the air in circles, in my mind that makes it harder to hit the ball where you want. What am I missing/ what kind of mentality should I have for understanding why/when to use air roll? Sorry I threw a lot at you. Hopefully you can help me out
I’ve had my air role that way for years. How have people not known this is a thing lol
People are acting like Zen is a genius for playing this way but there were plenty of us who already did it lol
keep experimenting with the content, than - I like this and look forward to seeing what else you can come out with. keep going man!
damn that makes a lot of sense, glad it wasn't clickbait in the end I'm going to try this out!
been using l2/r2 as my airrolls for years, now i got a video to link the next person who tells me i should use square or some other crap :)
came in expecting i was gonna have a legit reason to change my binds not be told im all good
idea would this still give the same effect but with a joystick for example your right joystick i mean you can no longer look around in the air but thats not a major issue tbh and it would also allow you to quickly and fluently switch between air roll left and right because air roll left on RS left and air roll right on RS right
Some people use the RS for DAR (including me). Truth be told, I'm C2 and don't have great car control, but yes, the movements are (or can be) more fluid. More intuitive also, like airplane controls. I can't really say how much of a handicap it is to have camera controls bound to the face buttons for other people, but it is okay for me (A=back, Y=down, X=left, B=right.....I decided to have "up" unbound as I don't need it).
@@lixard8418 makes sense
My left bumper broke (my arr bind) and so I experimented and found that putting my reverse on X(Xbox controller) worked best for me and airoll right on left trigger, so I just need to learn how to do this!
You can get a similar thing on KBM, its just harder. You bind air roll to your mouse so when you move your mouse your air roll and just the speed you move it makes the speed you air roll. i have been using this for years myself and it just feel so smooth. The only problem is I can't tornado spin for long periods of time without running out of mouse space, in a game this doesn't pose to be an issue as i don't need to air roll for that long, only issue is in rings maps xD
There are also laser based key switches that give analog like inputs.
Ive always had my air roll on left trigger but I use regular air roll, so I can control how much anyway with my stick. Ive always felt like regular air roll and directional is the same except with regular air roll you release the air roll button instead of releasing analog stick.
Could u do a tutorial video on how to use air roll better with l2
Zen himself said he did NOT dose his air roll. So basically, you're wrong. There is no use to dosing your air roll when you know how to directional air roll. Unless you could make it go faster than what it is, there is no use for it. So no, we have not been air rolling wrong, and no, you shouldn't copy zen's binding just because he uses it.
Again, he doesn't dose his air roll, so you guys are juste mesmerized by something that isn't actually happening.
5:20 the keyboard and mouse part piqued my interest. Im pretty sure the the wooting keyboards have analogue switches, meaning that dynamic input is possible on KBM
a little thing im kind of curious about, there is this keyboard which is getting famous in the rhythm game community by a company called Wooting,
they have switches that can recognize the depth at which you press them down to,
short: they have dynamic compatible switches,
im wondering, if you could use them to get dynamic controls in rocket league for keyboard and if so, how much that would change the percentage of people using m&k or controller.
Should be possible. There are more kayboards like that out there. Steelseries Apex Pro also uses analog inputs. Sure there are more but I can't recall them right now. Wooting started it though as far as I know.
I use LB to activate air roll then I use the left analog stick to air roll left or air roll right and I can make it go slow or fast so it’s the same concept but I can do it either right or left as needed and not just strictly left
Also LB is my drift to because drift is not gonna effect my air roll do to being in the air
I been doing this for 4 years
What a perfect time to be learning how to air roll.. looking forward to passing all you 1:1 button plebs
sure you have the one to one input/not dynamic, BUT the slow spinning can still be achieved by tapping
only issue is when in the hair, L2 will slightly push ur car backwards and R2 will push it forward. and that I dont like.
try jumping and holding L2 and R2 and see the cars movement
I've known about this for a couple years but when I tried it I made the mistake of keeping accelerate and reverse on l2 and r2. It caused problems with half flips and landing properly while trying to accelerate or reverse. As well as other issues.
I just put accelerate on r1 and and air roll right on r2 (was r1 before) and the transition was a lot easier. I've tried changing air roll binds before and it took months to return to my original skill but this was instant. I was able to easily do a rings map the moment I changed binds. Also my chain dashes were smoother with a little practice.
Also I believe kbm players with analog keyboards can do this as well.
Did the same thing except I kept accelerate and reverse and l2 and R2. Landing comes down to timing and is not that hard to get used to. The worst thing with this is getting bumped. A small bump that usually keeps you a bit grounded, so your wheels keep a minimum amount of contact with the ground making you stop early will now make you flying over randomly because that small amount of air you got meant you started air rolling, and before you can stop, you're already upside down on your way to the other side of the field. Good way to get better at avoiding bumps and demos though 👍
Know a guy who uses the sticks for airroll basically like controlling a helicopter or plane with pitch roll and yaw, he has pretty good control.
L2 air roll is nuts. I've had a massive skill change just off this switch. Couldnt even get into posituon for a reset before and now i'm able to somewhat consistently double and sometimes triple reset. Get a decent position on the ball with air roll left and then let l2 air roll do the reset. Its awesome
Its going to be tuff to get use to though. Since I have left trigger bound to reverse and my air roll right bound to my left bumper.
I have my air roll left/right on x and o. I have my free air roll on LB along with power slide. I also moved my boost to RB..
I’d compensate you well for some coaching. I’m hard stuck Diamond 2 with around 60hours in the game. Retired MLG pro. I learn quickly. 🤙
I REALLY don't want to have to go through learning new binds but as I've been practicing air roll, flip resets and wave dashes I have noticed several scenarios where I need an adjustment smaller/more fluid than what is allowed by even the quickest tap on air roll left or right and this is obviously easier and more flexible than using manual air roll and the joy stick. I just don't know if it's worth it for someone like me who only plays 6 to 8 hours a week as opposed to pros playing 6 to 8 hours a day
Imo, getting adjusted doesn't take ages, and if you play weekly, it should be sort of ingrained after like 5 weeks or so. I went from Ps4 to KBM, and it took maybe 1 month max (weekly playing) to get to my Ps4 rank. Still imo it's not bad and it's all about how much fun u have
Its time like this i wish rl let you use multiple buttons for a single move think if you could have air roll right on the right bumper and joystick
I have them bound to the right stick same dynamic input but more intuitive I think
But thanovic something that you have forgotten to mention is that you can no longer do clean half flips if you hold down reverse. With this new key bind it messes up pretty much all flips accept the side ways flip. If you have this key bind and want to do a clean half flip what you will have to adapt to is reverse so you have some backwards movement- let go of reverse- and then do a flip cancel with air roll or the sideways flip cancel half flip.
Also love your vids.❤
you could also hold air roll right if air roll left is on the brake. But it is a bit wierd having to hold one more button to half flip
If you hold down regular air roll too, you do a clean half flip, it's as if you don't have directional air roll bound. It cancels it out completely
This makes a lot of sense from when I would throw random variation air roll on bakkesmod for the ring maps.
Feels so weird remapping it I'm instinctually pressing square