Let’s see; Boeing refuses to go with a Lithium Aluminum alloy for the fuselage and decides to use more “proven” traditional alloys for the plane hoping new technology with thinner insulation and newly designed internal reinforcement techniques will do the trick. It then decides to have bigger 787 sized windows and to pressure the 777X at the same altitude and humidity as the 787 while using the same old fuselage alloy technology as the legacy 777. Now it wonders why the fuselage is cracking during tests. You can’t make this up. Cramming an extra seat per row to decrease fuel burn per seat is gimmick. It feels like all these bandaids (like structural reinforcement techniques) are just repeating the same mistakes as the Max program. Boeing is trying to get more out of outdated airframes than they were designed to do and is simply patching problems rather than acknowledging the systemic issues of their process. Some folks never learn.
yup the unexpected cracks found in the engine mounting brackets recently of the certification 777x test planes stopped the certification process imediatly. GE, Boeing, Spirit, NASA and the FAA are figuring out why and what led to these total unexpected stress cracks in those already certified for service parts. Substandard materials/manufacturing, faulty mounting, something total new, all options are examined and the problem understood before certification resumes.
@RasMosi a bit like when airbus was saying exposure in the lightning defence system on the 350 was alright?boeing is open about it.by far,the only incident of boeing keeping quiet was mcas.
Let´s hope the new management of Boeing has understodd the issue and will correct that in order to come back to a more sound internal politics and set of values. I am convinced the workers know how to, it is just that the management culture has to be rolled back to fit aviation standards.
Awareness buys time, time buys options - until it doesn’t. The lack of objective truthful awareness leads organizations too crisis management. They then discovery they have run out of both time and options.
the reason I would not fly boeing is as you point out profit over safety. Once trust is eroded or reputation damaged, it is hard if not impossible to regain.
it looks cursed to me..... this is a classic sign of bad engineering like the old British Leyland cars..........just a pile of junk, the 777X should've been flying years ago.
If problems continue, and a strike in process fills de enviroment, there will be only a winner in Two engine heavy long distance jet airliner, the Airbus A 350, despite a recent engine problem making ground temporary the type. The issue is from a supplier, not from design and construction performance.
Maybe the design will be a bit dated when it is finally in service? It is already 11 years old and is "just" an upgrade, NEO of the original 777. Will it match A350-1000? What if Airbus makes a A350-1000 NEO?
NEO stands for new engine option. I don't believe we will see an A350neo any time soon especially when the trent xwb is proving a very powerful and efficient engine for the time
@@nikosnikos8524 Youre wrong, the a350 currently only has 1 engine option and Airbus has shown interest in changing this. Its qlso possible that rolls royce can use their nee ultra fan technology to produce w new more efficient variant for thr A350. Any new engine option for the a350 will immediately render the 777x obsolete. Especially with the new 10 abreast option.
Shouldn't they just have a huge parametric model of planes that auto executes in Autodesk Inventor? With all the stimulations running automatically to verify and optimize the design, write the manuals, service procedures, etc. It's not the first plane being built. And they own the FAA. So, ...
Every time i fly Boeing, im just as safe as airbus. Boeing isnt the only manufacturer that has crashed. 777x and every other aircraft has to go through severe testing which sometimes shows flaws. Do your research.
Another Airbus knife job on Boeing, ho hum. When you appoint accountants not Engineers to run a company and there are already inherited culture issues (McDonnell-Douglas acquisition) the company loses its focus. One big mistake was not appointing engineer Alan Mulally as CEO when Phil Condit left. Mulally was so capable he ended up as CEO at Ford Motor Company where he probably saved them from bankruptcy. I think Boeing will sort all this out its not like everything else in the USA is going great either just now.
Airbus did not need to do a knife job. Boeing's wounds are self-inflicted and have a known source. Did you notice that the Europeans say virtually nothing about Boeing? Maybe Airbus fear it could develop similar problems if they are not very careful.
@@keithmclean4283 Europe is being de-industrialised because of the cheap energy problems now Russia is at virtual war. VW just closed their last plant going to Mexico for cheap power labor. BASF huge, gone as well. France is an exception, but they have immigration and other issues causing instability. Gadaffi said' "remove me and Europe will be flooded with refugees from Africa." The outlook for Europe and the EU is very grim unless they change course and I see no sign of that. Airbus is along for the ride. The US seems to like it this way.
@@arunta5 I think I you are broadly right. There will have to be some serious policy changes in Europe. The Ukraine war caught them by surprise (especially the energy market problems) but I think (hope) they have enough flexibility to deal with the results.
I think its best to scrap and cancel the 777X project to avoid problems and more delays. Its best to let go of it and focus on getting back to work and look ahead
Your statement is oxymoronic. You can't scrap the 777X while looking ahead. The 777X IS the future (10 years) of Boeing commercial airplanes, as well as competent executives/board of directors.
Its not oxymoronic, Airbus already has the lead, plus they've updated their new Rolls Royce engines for the A350, and even burn less more fuel than the GE 9X engines and more airlines are canceling their orders for the 777X! Boeing is spending more money on test flights and losing more millions. If they keep delaying the 777X, they're gonna go bankrupt and Boeing employees are on strike because of their pension plans. I mean, I like Boeing, but they're in deep sh(bleep) and this project and the 737MAX crisis, is not gonna help them out of this. That's why it's best to cancel and scrap the 777X and 737MAX projects for good
Trying to use a 1950’s 737 design or the 1960’s 777 design to try and keep up with the Modern, Safe, AIRBUS family of passenger aircraft was always going to end in disaster. Literally. Boeing are a busted flush. Fly AIRBUS if you value you and your family’s life.
I think on every long year of this 2024 make every BOEING types Failure just like BOEING 737 classic/NG/MAX, 747-400/8i, 757, 767, 777LR/ER & 777X and 787 Dreamliner because, both of the BOEING types like that got on issue and crisis. Maybe I better choose on AIRBUS over the BOEING if it is got issue and crisis like that.
@nabilisur9566 I get it. But theres nothing to be worried about! Theyve learned from theyre mistakes and fixing them to make quality, safe planes for customers to travel safely on. Good day
@@nabilisur9566the 737 ng (not max) 747 , 757 , 767 and 777 are some of the safest and best passenger aircraft to ever exist. The 777x is taking a while sure and a few problems came up but I'm sure it'll eventually be great and successful.
Boeing doesn’t care about these delays. If they get into too much financial trouble they’ll just run to Congress for a huge taxpayer funded bailout and they’ll get it.
The problem isn't as bad as many believe... Boeing's "Boeing Roulette" has been the issue. Many who purchased aircraft used to assume as bought it was fit to fly. Boeing Roulette modified that slightly by requiring buyers to PAY EXTRA for all the bolts, gaskets. Software, wiring, sensors,vetv., to be installed. Yes, you can buy it "As-Is" but you are clearly taking an extremely real likelihood of disaster. It's called Republican Capitalism, pay extra or die.
As written, what you are saying in your comment is that America needs to return to being a society of racism, social injustice and unequal opportunity in order to be successful, productive and powerful both now and in the future. Yes, racism, social injustice and unequal opportunity did work well for us from the founding of our country in 1776 to the period up until the end of WW ll. But winning a global war against racism, inequality, racism and injustice (the pillars of both Nazi Germany and Japanese fascism and imperialism) became so important to the functioning of America after WW ll that over a period of about 25 years (1945-1970), it became clear that further tolerance of racism, unequal opportunity and injustice was going to destroy our society and our future. So "woke" (an intolerance of social injustice, racism unequal opportunity) has become a core strength of America, and not, as you say, a "core problem". However, something tells me that you will not understand any of this. Perhaps that is because I smell a MAGA mentality in your comment. The opportunity for you to understand what "woke" is and what it means is available to you. This is still America, so you can choose not to understand and move forward. But that means that you will be left behind the rest of us in your future, @jojje3000.
@@roberthenry9319 Woke pushing is not about pro or anti Trump. You're full of shit to the max with this long winded blurb. Woke is not about ending racism. That began from Lincoln and onto MLK. The KKK has little to no influence on society today. You're a far leftist activist who probably contributes to chaos like you are spewing off here. I take no part in any of your political parties as I am not an American. I love American people of all walks of life. Your last sentence shows YOU and those who think like yourself want to be in control of America's agenda. Woke staffing is an agenda, NOT equality.
@@roberthenry9319 US needs to stop printing dollars and get their manufacturing business going again. Sorry but that means letting people keep their money, And no MAGA, I am from Europe so I know the patterns.
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Let’s see; Boeing refuses to go with a Lithium Aluminum alloy for the fuselage and decides to use more “proven” traditional alloys for the plane hoping new technology with thinner insulation and newly designed internal reinforcement techniques will do the trick. It then decides to have bigger 787 sized windows and to pressure the 777X at the same altitude and humidity as the 787 while using the same old fuselage alloy technology as the legacy 777. Now it wonders why the fuselage is cracking during tests. You can’t make this up.
Cramming an extra seat per row to decrease fuel burn per seat is gimmick. It feels like all these bandaids (like structural reinforcement techniques) are just repeating the same mistakes as the Max program. Boeing is trying to get more out of outdated airframes than they were designed to do and is simply patching problems rather than acknowledging the systemic issues of their process. Some folks never learn.
itworks.
oh yeah,didnt the 330neo also use '777x alloys'
Well at least they’re being open about it, as well as taking the time to make sure it wont kill people and be dangerous
yup the unexpected cracks found in the engine mounting brackets recently of the certification 777x test planes stopped the certification process imediatly.
GE, Boeing, Spirit, NASA and the FAA are figuring out why and what led to these total unexpected stress cracks in those already certified for service parts. Substandard materials/manufacturing, faulty mounting, something total new, all options are examined and the problem understood before certification resumes.
@RasMosi thats bullshit on another level
@RasMosi a bit like when airbus was saying exposure in the lightning defence system on the 350 was alright?boeing is open about it.by far,the only incident of boeing keeping quiet was mcas.
. That you know of...... where are the whistle blowers? No respect for that greedy, murderous, fraudulent company.
Let´s hope the new management of Boeing has understodd the issue and will correct that in order to come back to a more sound internal politics and set of values. I am convinced the workers know how to, it is just that the management culture has to be rolled back to fit aviation standards.
It's not failing,it's under testing,so every flaws discovered shall be strengthened prior to launch.
I wouldn’t set foot on the 777x OR the MAX. I no longer trust Boeing
Okay buddy
@@xkr510 Agree
The media believing those shit
They are perfectly safe although the concern makes sense
@@miraculouspokemaniac1244 fr these people are just trying to hop on the trend. They are perfectly safe
I'll rather take my chances in a tupolev 😂😂😂
No mentioning of the engine mount issue emerging last week on the net ...
Awareness buys time, time buys options - until it doesn’t. The lack of objective truthful awareness leads organizations too crisis management. They then discovery they have run out of both time and options.
the reason I would not fly boeing is as you point out profit over safety. Once trust is eroded or reputation damaged, it is hard if not impossible to regain.
A380 neo should be started with plastic body and new gen engines
it looks cursed to me..... this is a classic sign of bad engineering like the old British Leyland cars..........just a pile of junk, the 777X should've been flying years ago.
Space X should start building commercial planes
If problems continue, and a strike in process fills de enviroment, there will be only a winner in Two engine heavy long distance jet airliner, the Airbus A 350, despite a recent engine problem making ground temporary the type. The issue is from a supplier, not from design and construction performance.
lufthansa finally getting passenger 777s
Maybe the design will be a bit dated when it is finally in service? It is already 11 years old and is "just" an upgrade, NEO of the original 777. Will it match A350-1000? What if Airbus makes a A350-1000 NEO?
NEO stands for new engine option. I don't believe we will see an A350neo any time soon especially when the trent xwb is proving a very powerful and efficient engine for the time
@@nikosnikos8524 Youre wrong, the a350 currently only has 1 engine option and Airbus has shown interest in changing this. Its qlso possible that rolls royce can use their nee ultra fan technology to produce w new more efficient variant for thr A350. Any new engine option for the a350 will immediately render the 777x obsolete. Especially with the new 10 abreast option.
@joshafc41 It seems like I ve missed that. I didn't know that RR was interested in making a new engine for the a350, a relatively new plane
Yes core probs in US got to comftorble an we are great and untouchable , no badness is untouchable or anything else for that matter
Wing tips is a shit would cause many problems
I guess I picked a good day to give up flying to my destination.
Shouldn't they just have a huge parametric model of planes that auto executes in Autodesk Inventor? With all the stimulations running automatically to verify and optimize the design, write the manuals, service procedures, etc. It's not the first plane being built. And they own the FAA. So, ...
Booking my flight for Europe in January, picking companies flying A350 or A330neo only.
Every time i fly Boeing, im just as safe as airbus. Boeing isnt the only manufacturer that has crashed. 777x and every other aircraft has to go through severe testing which sometimes shows flaws. Do your research.
Lufthansa? Seriously more than 70 units? 🧐
Hopefully Boeing doesn't kill the 777 😡
At this point I expect the program will probably be scrubbed. Cut losses short.
Another Airbus knife job on Boeing, ho hum. When you appoint accountants not Engineers to run a company and there are already inherited culture issues (McDonnell-Douglas acquisition) the company loses its focus. One big mistake was not appointing engineer Alan Mulally as CEO when Phil Condit left. Mulally was so capable he ended up as CEO at Ford Motor Company where he probably saved them from bankruptcy. I think Boeing will sort all this out its not like everything else in the USA is going great either just now.
Airbus did not need to do a knife job. Boeing's wounds are self-inflicted and have a known source. Did you notice that the Europeans say virtually nothing about Boeing? Maybe Airbus fear it could develop similar problems if they are not very careful.
@@keithmclean4283 Europe is being de-industrialised because of the cheap energy problems now Russia is at virtual war. VW just closed their last plant going to Mexico for cheap power labor. BASF huge, gone as well. France is an exception, but they have immigration and other issues causing instability. Gadaffi said' "remove me and Europe will be flooded with refugees from Africa." The outlook for Europe and the EU is very grim unless they change course and I see no sign of that. Airbus is along for the ride. The US seems to like it this way.
@@arunta5 I think I you are broadly right. There will have to be some serious policy changes in Europe. The Ukraine war caught them by surprise (especially the energy market problems) but I think (hope) they have enough flexibility to deal with the results.
@@keithmclean4283 Yes, the US approach at the moment is Russia out, Europe down, and US in control for all their crazy problems.
Boeing is an aerospace company, NOT a finance slush fund for Wall Street.
What did you expect when the accountants and shareholders design a jet liner under the Boeing badge.
This is why i dont trust MBAs
I think its best to scrap and cancel the 777X project to avoid problems and more delays. Its best to let go of it and focus on getting back to work and look ahead
Your statement is oxymoronic. You can't scrap the 777X while looking ahead. The 777X IS the future (10 years) of Boeing commercial airplanes, as well as competent executives/board of directors.
Your understanding of the complexities of new airliner development is.....let's just say deficient.
yeah,while more than 5 airlines want it.then they will have to order poor quality 350.
Its not oxymoronic, Airbus already has the lead, plus they've updated their new Rolls Royce engines for the A350, and even burn less more fuel than the GE 9X engines and more airlines are canceling their orders for the 777X! Boeing is spending more money on test flights and losing more millions. If they keep delaying the 777X, they're gonna go bankrupt and Boeing employees are on strike because of their pension plans. I mean, I like Boeing, but they're in deep sh(bleep) and this project and the 737MAX crisis, is not gonna help them out of this. That's why it's best to cancel and scrap the 777X and 737MAX projects for good
@@AbdullahNajib-b9zThe A350 is NOT low quality, tf do you mean "Low quality"??
A380 neo with two engines...
Trying to use a 1950’s 737 design or the 1960’s 777 design to try and keep up with the Modern, Safe, AIRBUS family of passenger aircraft was always going to end in disaster. Literally.
Boeing are a busted flush. Fly AIRBUS if you value you and your family’s life.
I like the Airbus 350 That you put in your video ! But is it not about the 777x ?
Misleading primary image.
I think on every long year of this 2024 make every BOEING types Failure just like BOEING 737 classic/NG/MAX, 747-400/8i, 757, 767, 777LR/ER & 777X and 787 Dreamliner because, both of the BOEING types like that got on issue and crisis. Maybe I better choose on AIRBUS over the BOEING if it is got issue and crisis like that.
What are you yappin about. 737 classic was amazing, 747 was amazing, 757, 767, 777 all great planes
Nothing@@Aviation_Army1! I'm afraid of many BOEING types like that will be issue and crisis. That's what I worried about 🙏.
@nabilisur9566 I get it. But theres nothing to be worried about! Theyve learned from theyre mistakes and fixing them to make quality, safe planes for customers to travel safely on. Good day
@@nabilisur9566the 737 ng (not max) 747 , 757 , 767 and 777 are some of the safest and best passenger aircraft to ever exist. The 777x is taking a while sure and a few problems came up but I'm sure it'll eventually be great and successful.
@@nabilisur9566 shut up 747's 757's 767's and 777's don't have any issues on the regular, infact they have not had any in years!
Fly Airbus.
Boeing doesn’t care about these delays. If they get into too much financial trouble they’ll just run to Congress for a huge taxpayer funded bailout and they’ll get it.
The problem isn't as bad as many believe...
Boeing's "Boeing Roulette" has been the issue. Many who purchased aircraft used to assume as bought it was fit to fly. Boeing Roulette modified that slightly by requiring buyers to PAY EXTRA for all the bolts, gaskets. Software, wiring, sensors,vetv., to be installed. Yes, you can buy it "As-Is" but you are clearly taking an extremely real likelihood of disaster. It's called Republican Capitalism, pay extra or die.
Bad quality control sub standard materials underqualified fabricators and corruption
The clickbait?
W0ke staffing, core problem of the US
As written, what you are saying in your comment is that America needs to return to being a society of racism, social injustice and unequal opportunity in order to be successful, productive and powerful both now and in the future. Yes, racism, social injustice and unequal opportunity did work well for us from the founding of our country in 1776 to the period up until the end of WW ll. But winning a global war against racism, inequality, racism and injustice (the pillars of both Nazi Germany and Japanese fascism and imperialism) became so important to the functioning of America after WW ll that over a period of about 25 years (1945-1970), it became clear that further tolerance of racism, unequal opportunity and injustice was going to destroy our society and our future. So "woke" (an intolerance of social injustice, racism unequal opportunity) has become a core strength of America, and not, as you say, a "core problem".
However, something tells me that you will not understand any of this. Perhaps that is because I smell a MAGA mentality in your comment. The opportunity for you to understand what "woke" is and what it means is available to you. This is still America, so you can choose not to understand and move forward. But that means that you will be left behind the rest of us in your future, @jojje3000.
@@roberthenry9319
Woke pushing is not about pro or anti Trump. You're full of shit to the max with this long winded blurb.
Woke is not about ending racism. That began from Lincoln and onto MLK. The KKK has little to no influence on society today. You're a far leftist activist who probably contributes to chaos like you are spewing off here.
I take no part in any of your political parties as I am not an American. I love American people of all walks of life. Your last sentence shows YOU and those who think like yourself want to be in control of America's agenda. Woke staffing is an agenda, NOT equality.
@@roberthenry9319 US needs to stop printing dollars and get their manufacturing business going again. Sorry but that means letting people keep their money,
And no MAGA, I am from Europe so I know the patterns.
For me modern Aircraft means Aircraft with no carbon emission
As if the problems are unsolvable or insurmountable, Boeing will succeed in the long term
This is a very intelligent, reasonable and rational comment.
Don't count on it, like everything else in america, it's finished
the 747 had thrust link issues,but it succeeded.so correct
@@jayha7071 ill count on it