As a lance player, I feel like that's a weapon that naturally teaches you these concepts. It's a weapon where there is no such thing as making space, so you have no choice but to figure out how to survive without escaping from the monster's attacks. Blocking isn't just your main way to defend, but it's also your main crutch you need to learn to stop abusing, as lance has one of the lowest DPS in the game, so the only way to get decent times is to find ways to score hits in the smallest of windows. And it's not like lance has big attacks to push your DPS even higher, so you have no choice but to squeeze damage out by finding more opportunities to attack rather than simply finding ways to fit in your big attacks. It's so similar to GS, yet the exact opposite at the same time. They both teach the same lessons, but by going about it in completely opposite ways. GS teaches you how to find safe openings to strike, while lance teaches you that everything is an opening that just needs a smart application to be exploited safely.
@@FGMagala Hey that’s a really interesting perspective! I would have never realized that since I don’t play lance, but what you’re saying makes sense. I can def see how you would have to make the most out of your openings similar to GS, especially if you’re soloing quests.
Started as a GS and CB main, after the endgame I tried out lance and I have to say this description is really accurate. Lance teaches you this concept by default and it's a really rewarding playstyle and weapon the moment you get this way of play ingrained in your system. Lance made me a better GS and CB player too
Something I like to say is that despite what it seems on the surface, once you learn how to play Lance it is the most agressive weapon out of them all. It demands that you are constantly a thorn in the monsters side at all times and never let up the pressure. Light weapons generally have to play more evasively with a lot of repositioning, and heavy weapons generally have to look for big openings they can commit themselves to, but the Lance wants to you see every single attack as an opening. Even before the addition of the Offensive Guard skill the Lance shined the most when fighting through the monsters attacks constantly. When I first picked it up I could never have expected how much this weapon, and its constant push through fangs, fire, and claws, made me feel like a berserker.
As a lance main that's a terrible description for the lance, but it got the right idea (sorta). GS is my second main in World and my GS gameplay benefitted a lot from me being a lance main
This is one of the best MH videos I've seen in a while. You get the challenge of being a hunter and overcoming the walls perfectly and you're really good at explaining it
I was lucky enough that I clued into the mechanic by accident. My first run was pretty seamless but then when I did it again I couldn't do it for like 50 attempts which was frustrating as hell. I learned a lot about building lodouts though and other buffs/synergies which id been ignoring by just bulldozing through fights.
@@trinitycat1723 Yeah the game doesn’t really do a good job explaining builds. I think by the time people get to Alatreon is when they start looking up builds and taking it seriously cause at that point it’s almost necessary. Can def relate to just brute forcing the earlier fights 😅
Firstly CONGRATS to this dude on the victory and video and I now might have a reason to fight Velkana for that armor cosmetics :P I haven't had much sense of a need to face them yet but coming back to MHW after a long time away feels very different this time around. I'm a lot more engaged in my personal loadout and I think that's because I wanted to focus on smooth gameplay as I expected to be playing with a personal squad. I Distinctly remember my first wall being Barroth and the birth of the concepts that he talks about here where I now forever know that I can attack barroth from his left side after a charge because his tail swings right. But at some point after getting that smooth I became complacent(discovering duel blades in the other titles probably didn't help xD) and started being sloppier aswell. Since coming back into Iceborne, that small focus on being cleaner in the fights has been bringing me a lot more enjoyment in the details again. That focus on cleanup could also be from preparing myself to dive straight into Wilds in Feb aswell :P But yes that's where the real gameplay meat is in MH. Finding your own Meta through a combination of learning your own openings and pairing it with self made builds that might offer you a unique playstyle. Because the details DO matter but not enough to ruin your game if you are not a player that goes that far. Few games manage to strike that beautiful balance. (extra thought/Hype) But that's why Alatraeon is controversial. It starts to put limits on your creativity which is a big spit in the face of what MH traditionally does right with difficulty which is soft failing you(faint 3 times before giving you a time out and space to reflect and retry), never hard failing you and in general that's a thing to be careful of in game design because it's essentially pulling you out of that game flow right as you're maybe getting comfortable being in the thick action. BUT the VERY cool news is that this is that the implementation of these mechanics seem so MASSIVELY different, even with the Velkana fight that as a game designer I see this as basically being the same kind of thing that they love to do which is test new boundaries that they want to build on because it adds value to MH multiple titles down the line. The evolution into expeditions, seemless locals in MHW, verticallity in Rise+ Hunter arts being mixed as wire bugs etc. These hard limits feel a lot like they are testing that very edge of what kind of HARD difficulty they can drive against the players. So I expect Wilds to potentially iterate and come out with something that might be a lot like an organic open world siege(rise tested multiple main monsters with rampages)where mechanics could get more detailed for whatever big monster they end up putting you against (they will have learned or new that hard failure is not quiet a good thing and may have been an oversight or something they went ahead with for neccesity reasons) because coincidentally if you think about Wilds, having you completely end a big hunt like Alatraeon by kicking you back to camp wouldn't really be a thing in an open world. That has me so excited to see what they might have been cooking up.
@@Nynkx Appreciate you, glad you liked the video! It’s cool that you want to go back to MHW again for some of the end game quests, their some of the best in the game imo and hopefully you can enjoy them before wilds is out. Can’t wait for its release as well.
Up until hornless kirin i dont even remember what build i use,just whatever with the most defense on my armor, random ass deco and whatever purple sharpness weapon that i can get, hunts take 30mins on average it was burning me out
Im convinced that MH has the most beautiful learning curve out of all games. Do to MH nearly perfect combat, it feels even better getting better than in any other game.
This was a surprise, a random video from someone I have never heard of, on the game I love, getting me genuinely invested in what feels like a diary entry of a video. You're honestly inspiring and I hope to see more from you at some point, this video made me realize I can take my hunts slower without losing dps as long as I learn.
Ty, I’m glad you enjoyed the video! Yeah take the fights slow at first and learn as you go. It may feel like the dps is low, but you’d be surprised how much your dps increases when you just don’t get hit often, saves so much time. Eventually you become comfortable with the monsters move set and naturally play faster as a result. Appreciate your support!
You’ve inspired me to finish every monster before wilds comes out, I stopped playing before the black dragons dropped and haven’t tried them yet but it’s time, great video good luck with the final boss of all monster hunter.
Loved Monster Hunter exactly for this reason! Someone may have the most optimized build but having little to no understanding of the monster, the weapon, and themselves will render that build useless. + Using the charge blade adds another layer of difficulty managing phials and charge times during the hunt too. Great vid! Your speaking pace is perfect, very easy to follow. Keep it up!
Ty for the kind words! That’s one of my favorite aspects of monster hunter too. One could have all the best gear but at end of the day it’s up to the player to improve and learn the fight. Ty for your support!
Great Video. I actually started off as a Hammer user, then switched to Switch Axe due to the Zero Sum Discharge in World. Playing through the game as an Axe user made me understand and appreciate the challenges of the weapon: long swing animations, manage the sword gauge, short hop i-frames, keeping the power axe up, and making builds to support the weapon (evade window/extender and power prolonger). That thinking helped me to play different weapons and experiment with builds that support the weapon and use armor skills that not many players think about (for example, using Latent Power and Resentment with Safi armor to activate the skills due to the health drain using Dual Blades or Bow).
I’m lucky to have started MH with the 4U demo back on the 3DS. Playing these games for so long (especially the older games) taught me to make my own openings from a young age. Now if only my 10 year old self knew how important making armor was. Fighting Shagaru Magala with Gendrome armor and Felyne Puppet dual blades wasn’t the best experience lol. Great video, by the way. Here’s hoping Wilds has some incredible challenges for everyone that leads to us understanding these games even more :D
Very similar experience with me on this, often a step back and change in perspective is all it takes in Monster Hunter! Great video man, especially for a first upload- cant wait to see more :)
Dude, this video is crazy good. Keep making them you’ll find success I’m sure of it Great watch. Happy for you embracing MH for what it is, look forward to seeing more videos from you
Loved the video! I've typically been a ranged player, but your video has encouraged me to delve into more melee (i have played CB/SnS/Lance a bit, but not into the hundreds of hours). I really enjoyed this video and was engaged all the way though. Keep up the good work, and looking forward to seeing videos when wilds launches!
@@Mezion oh lol nice, I actually used to play bow at first for a bit but then switched to CB and I never went back. I loved the melee style, it’s super satisfying to play.
Played through the game with Longsword and I can't express the feeling of finally being able to utilize the counters properly by understanding monster movements and attack timings while managing my own positioning and combos instead of praying the monster attacks in time and I get the foresight slash off. I haven't experienced this type of learning curve in any other game. Capcom are geniuses.
As a CB player I had a very similar experience, alatreon and ATV were my biggest walls, though I did beat alatreon and ATV before fully grasping the "strategic hyper aggression" concept. But then, once I saw a TH-cam video titled "why you suck at mhw" or smth, and it described exactly how this concept works in MH games and how to be effective in dealing dmg. So I decided I wanted to get actually good at the game, and repeatedly fighting against alatreon and ATV made me fully understand the concept, and now I fully enjoy the combat in a much deeper level, beating endgame monsters faster than I ever thought I'd do. Now whenever I see someone struggling I try to explain this concept, it's good that you realized it and made a good video about it.
Why ATV, it's not that much harder than normal velkhana which is pretty easy. As in what specifically made it so hard? Was it just that you weren't doing strategic aggression or were there other factors. I just don't get why people say it's so hard.
@ yeah the HP is pretty high but all the oneshot attacks are quite easy to dodge and very telegraphed. The time limit is just obtuse though, was never a problem for me on ATV but on fatalis that timer is so unfair. Maybe the reason it's not a problem for me is because I play greatsword which is probably the easiest matchup. I can see how the timer and the moveset would be way harder on other weapons.
@ As a CB player that didn't really absorb the moveset of the monsters and understood the actual size and positioning of the openings, it made the fight pretty hard when she does so much dmg, and then there's the DPS required to finish the quest within the time limit. IMO CB is kinda bad against her, and I focused too much in the mechanics of the weapon instead of the monster, so that's that. I never got good against the normal fight before ATV, I just fought her, and whenever I got hit I would heal, but ATV's higher aggression and dmg doesn't really allow for that, specially with CB being such a "clunky" weapon. So I would get hit and struggle to find an opening to heal.
It's funny because i feel exactly the same way. I struggled against Alatreon for a good month before finally beating beating yesterday. Part of me felt frustrated as i didn't have access to Safi and Kjarr weapons that are optimal for that fight, but i could also see the end of the tunnel. Excellent CB gameplay btw, i see that i have many things still to learn. The way you put your thoughs in this video really resonates with me. Oddly enough, i also want to make the guild palace set and AT Velkana is probably going to be my next block before Fatalis. Anyway, excellent video !
fatalis dropped first in terms of content releases. Might be worth doing first as the AT velk fight very much assumes you have that set/weapon to complete it more easily
Way to stay in it. Sometimes just more experience can make or break a fight. Alatreon took me 21 attempts to solo after putting in over 1100 hours in MHW before fighting it. Sometimes things just click and you have a moment of clarity and this realization can completely change your hunting style for the better.
solid CB gameplay my friend. that's the exact same reason why I love Monster hunter. forces you to learn, and when you do learn and beat them, it's the best feeling ever.
I love how you were able to mix the sharing of the concepts with the story telling of your experience, how in the end rather than "Walls" the specific monsters became teachers. Extremely cool video, pretty inspiring between the persistency and the care of the craft, in this case, working to become a better hunter.
This is incredibly wholesome. Love to see it compared to the traditional toxicity found on the internet. Well done! I'm a longtime great sword main and it's an incredibly rewarding weapon that teaches you a ton about the game. I'm gonna add charge blade to my repertoire for wilds. I look forward to seeing more videos in the future!
Thank you, my friend, this video has inspired me. I'm very new into the MH series as I just started MH world about 5 months ago, I had only fought alatreon once (failed miserably) and didn't dare to touch alatreon as i shift my focus fighting other monster. But watching your video motivated and made me yearn for the fight against alatreon. I'll try to progress towards a build fit for fighting alatreon. I hope this message too motivates you to keep making awesome content 👍
@@Lee-rg3yo Hey Ty! I’m glad you were able to get some motivation and try fighting Alatreon again. Like I said I struggled a lot against it at first too but now it’s one my favorite monsters. Good luck on the quest to beat Alatreon. Take it slow and focus on your mistakes to improve and better learn the fight!
*That 30 minute time limit is the most stressful thing in Monster Hunter!* It is hard to stay calm when you are so close to killing it, but the timer says 5 minutes left. I slayed Fatalis with 35 seconds remaining. I was in so much pain from the stress, that I could barely move to carve the body. I nearly fainted IRL. It had taken me three days with at least 6 times reaching Proof of a Hero and failing.
You are outlining my current Dual blades thoughts. I am finding I get to greedy with which is somwthing I need to fix. Also glad to encounter a fellow charge blade main!!!!
Dude, when I first got stuck on Alatreon as a Charge Blade main as well a friend told me about "adept style" in older monster hunter games. I had no clue what he was talking about so I looked up a video about it on here & it was basically evading i-frames. After that I learned how to evade at the right times to avoid attacks while attacking back & shortly thereafter beat Alatreon. AT-Velkhana I ended up beating on my 2nd try due to learning that playstyle for Alatreon. I got a video up now of a build that beats Alatreon without breaking horns & without carting that I did for fun to show someone else it was doable. Lol. I was very rusty in the video cause I'd been gone for months but I still did it despite playing poorly. You, my good sir, look to play far better than I ever did. 😂😂 Good job & glad you overcame those two walls. Alatreon is my 2nd favorite fight in the entire MH World with the Final Fantasy Behemoth being my favorite (love using an emote to avoid an attack). 😁 Edit: this was the video in question that taught me. 😂 th-cam.com/video/zw1f9YSMMZY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-CSCIgz42l1Tw3bh
As a Hunting Horn player, I found myself instinctively try and dodge as many things as possible, but because my songs have a long time I'm unable to do anything after starting them, I found myself needing to learn how to position myself for damage while also avoiding being hit, this was so refreshing to see someone else learn this
Great video and really captures why MH is such a beloved series. There's very few games that are so satisfying to learn. You've got a great narration voice too, and the video was really well cut together. Looking forward to what else you come out with!
This video (in my opinion) is 99% Asking for a like anc sub is such a TH-camr thing. People know. Forget my opinion- This was very good. You keep this type of content up, you will grow in Monster Hunter Wilds. I feel your pain. Only way to learn is by experience. If you read in between the lines, games can actually teach life- long- learning skills. Wish you all the best and don't change for anyone else. Adios!
The game rewards efficiency, I used to always dodge roll in a panick during an attack, but you realize not all attacks require dodging, the power of walking aside unscathed rewards you with openings for poking, this has led me to becoming much reckless playing HH against Fatalis due to its movement speed buff, dodging becomes somewhat a reposition, not to just avoid attacks, Dodge rolling during fatalis' swirly snake bite attacks, but being able to hit the head after each bite, rolling to the right place at the right time The sheer reward of making a guaranteed headbreak on a fatalis solo is so satisfying. The same thing applies to gunlance
Alatreon definitely a wall that is scary and frustrating, especially I've farmed the sht out of it in Generation Ult and years before Tri, so Woldborne's version is severely different.Cool video and hope to see more
I came across this video a few weeks ago, but I admittedly stopped midway thru because I wanted to develop my own opinions on some of these fights, more specifically Alatreon, since I've been revisiting World with friends, and we haven't beaten him until very recently. Even after the first group clear, I decided to continue hunting him solo to get a better feel of his fight because I felt like I could improve. And I can say that after several days, I do find myself feeling comfortable going into the fight without too many major setbacks or mistakes on my part. It was a harsh grind for me because, to be completely honest, these were my first times ever beating Alatreon. I unfortunately was never able to experience him up until now (which was out of my control since my original save data got corrupted, and that's besidr thr point). But I do feel a sense of satisfaction with how this fight goes now compared to the first few attempts. What I'm trying to get at is, is that after playing Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, playing World for the first time solo, experiencing Rise and Sunbreak, to then come back to World in anticipation of Wilds, I have come to a realization that when it comes to certain fights in Monster Hunter that are rather difficult and are considered "walls": these fights such as Alatreon, AT Velkhana, Fatalis, EX Deviants from GU, and some of the Hazard quests in Rise/Sunbreak are there to truly test your skills and abilities as a hunter in a lot of these cases. And admittedly, these fights do teach you to fight in a careful, effective, and efficient manner to really do these things, but I do think that Iceborne falls short in the aspect of **when** these fights should be given to you to test your limits. While it is not entirely impossible to beat Alatreon following the Special Assignments given to you after you beat the main story of Iceborne, it's honestly the fact that you can possibly fight him without facing Yian Garuga, Ruiner, the Metal Raths, or potentially even clear Safi or Kulve before you decide to fight him. And I think this particular decision is partly why many feel so jaded on him: when you gain access to him, you are weighed with a lot of expectations that previous monsters didn't require, at least not nearly as much. I think the only other monster that comes close to these expectations is honestly Behemoth because of how that fight is meant to be treated. I think Alatreon, and therefore AT Velkhana and Fatalis introduce such a steep learning curve on how to beat them swayed many hunters from pushing past them and putting their limits and capabilities to the test. GU and Sunbreak have their own difficult quests that those games have to offer, but I think the progression of gettting to those quests that asks a lot from the player is bit smoother, albeit longer in some cases such as Sunbreak with its massive MR requirements. Still, they're set in place in a way that the challenge steadily increases for that by time you reach the hardest fights, you should have developed the skills and expectations to take on these monsters. I just think that Alatreon welcomes unsuspecting hunters too harshly, and it can damage the perspective people can have on him even tho I think his fight can be enjoyable. I'd much rather take him as he is now in Iceborne than what he was like in previous games, personally.
Dude no way you have less than 50 subs. Content is amazingly made. PLEASE keep making videos. Until i saw it i wouldve expected at least a few thousand subs from video quality
Bro ! Im here waiting for the next one! You are a hell of a beast! Im a gen 1 Veteran and I have to admit, you are Not caged with a Monster. The Monster is caged with you
really amazing video, love it. Your editing skill are also sublime. Truly a masterpiece. I"m also a youtuber who's been doing this for about 3 years and my editing skills aren't nearly as good as yours
the more i played mhw the more i felt that alatreon's fight is one of my favorites like yes it forces you to do a elemental build but the alatreon's moveset is fair and each weapons have a individual elemental modifier to help slow weapons to not fall behind One of my favorites bossfights ever great video!
A couple things I learned while trying to do it myself is that you can actually shut down its elemental power *twice* before it begins the wipe mechanic. Effectively doubling your survivability during the attack. If you're at a max amount of health that you can get, it won't even deal enough damage to kill you in one go. The other thing was that if you ever had trouble with breaking the horns, flinch shots can be easy pickings if you can keep an eye on your windows of opportunity.
At first Alatreon was an insanely hard fight. Now I’ve beaten it with Sword and Shield, Great Sword, Lance, Gun Lance, Dual Blades, and charge blade. Each time was a new play through.
Some guy with 250 subs and a Carmilla profile picture suddenly dropped this awesome MHW vid. Thank you, thank you for this! Now we need to see the Fatalis video :D
I "trained" in the arena with a Velkhana. I also needed some of those coins for a layered armor. 2 birds in one stone. Luckily DB was one of the options in the fight, which was my main. Forced me to put all my knowledge in the weapon without over relying on comfort skills, as well as sorta memorize Velkhana moves/cues. Really helped me a lot. Got my Frostcraft (gamma) set completed. 😅
I love the evolution in this fight and fatalis too. but it makes me understand that some people didn't want to be challenged in a video game, or be told what to do. I hope the next games don't do bloated damage numbers and maybe even let's us see what portion of our hits is the element we are using in case we have a fight like this. then again. if the fight was made that clear, I might not ever get to be challenged in monster hunter again food for thought.
This fight is very good and does it's job extremely well. You are right, it does FORCE you to get better at the game. Every other monster excluding Fatalis can be beaten by just taking your time and wearing it down. Even if the hunt takes 20 or 30 or more minutes, as long as you don't use all your lives, and even if you are terrible at the game eventually you will win. Alatreon and Fatalis don't let that happen. Fatalis with his insane damage output and low 30 min timer. And Alatreon with his escaton judgement. They don't let you play passive. If you play passive and scared, or spend the whole hunt getting hit, constantly chugging potions you won't win. You HAVE to learn to play aggressive without getting greedy. This goes for pretty much every game, but is extremely prevalent in MH. You have to think of it kind of like red light, green light. When it's red light it's the monsters turn to attack, when it's green light is when it's safe for you to attack. If you keep attacking during red light you aren't gonna have a good time. Every monster has a rhythm of when it's your turn and when it's their turn. It's up to the player to learn that rhythm. That and for Alatreon and Fatalis especially your build matters. If you are really good at the game you can get away with some pretty barebones builds. But only if you are really skilled. You can't just pull up to Alatreon or Fatalis with a shitty build as a regular joe shmo player and think you are gonna beat it. The worse you are at the game, the more having a really strong build matters. I've seen plenty of people just give up and blame their failure on the game. That the only reason they can't beat it is because the game is too hard or because the fight is poorly designed. When in reality it's just a skill issue. They shift blame onto the game because it's easier than admitting that they just aren't good at it. And out of frustration they claim it's impossible or only speedrunners can beat it. I watched Asmongold beat this fight playing like a freaking neanderthal. If he can eventually get good enough to do it with his level of skill. I firmly believe anyone can do it. Anybody out there that is still struggling to do this. I believe in you. It's not impossible. You CAN do it.
You sir…have earned the highest respect possible. A reality check to those who think the game is too hard for some people to play, but to simply enjoying the game at their own pace and let your hard work explain itself. Congratulations man, well deserved congrats🎉🎊
I remember the first monster that forced me to learn was Odogaron. As a hammer main it was nearly impossible to dodge his attacks, so I took a 3 month break, and when I came back I was able to quickly learn his attack patterns and killed him. That’s when I learned how important it can be to use elements against monsters, how to dodge them, what armor to use against them, all that stuff.
I was the same with fatalis, couldn’t get passed him and then i put the game down for 2 years and came back to play in 2024. I learned the fight used smoke bombs heaps and got really good at using my main weapon and finally beat him. today fatalis is my favourite fight.
True Monster Hunter is a game where you learn how to play game properly. i never heard of any word about Iframe, meta build, etc anything like that before until i play MH. Once you become good at it you will easily become good in any other game. This game make you become a good observer find the weakness of the boss, executing your planning perfectly, improve skill, study the meta of the game and make use of anything that will benefit you.
Alatreon is the greatest fight in MH and easily in gaming history. He takes almost everything great about MH combat, pumps it all up to 11, and unlike the other tough fights in MH, doesn't allow you to be a good hunter. He doesn't even allow you to be a great hunter.... he forces you to be the BEST hunter that you could possibly be and the closest you could be to becoming a speedrunner in MH. His Escaton's Judgement forces you to make the ABSOLUTE MOST of every open and doesn't let you rest or hang back like you used to. He makes you rise to the peak of your abilities to beat the DPS check, survive EJ, and win the fight. This on top of his moveset which I'd easily argue is THE best moveset of any monster and it's easy to see why he's possibly the greatest fight/boss in the entire game if not franchise❤️🔥
0:52 oh hey that's me 0_0. But I definitely agree(at least on a personal level) that hyper aggressive "making your own openings" is a super fun way to play. That's kinda what drew me to the lance in the first place, how you're always up in a monsters face and turning every attack it makes into one of your own. I don't think it should be mandatory/forced however, as is likely evident from my rant you flashed. I'd prefer it be rewarded/incentivized instead, like with ruiner nerg's spikes and gore magala's frenzy virus.
Oh hey lol, nice to see you here. I see what you mean when you say it shouldn’t be forced, but at the same time this play style is heavily encouraged/needed only for the end game bosses, them being Alatreon, AT Vel, and Fatalis. Everything else you can take your time since they’re all 50 min. I think these monsters are designed this way just to offer a difficult challenge in the end game. I think if this style was forced throughout the entire game then that would be an issue, but it’s only for the end game quests. Everyone has their own opinions and what they find fun at the end of the day, I totally see your point as I was stuck on these monsters myself for a while. I enjoy them now since I feel like I improved a lot as a hunter as a result of those quests and gave me something to grind despite being towards the end of the game in terms of content.
@@Avarosa727 That's completely fair yeah. I just wish the needle was moved ever so slightly away from needed/forced into heavily encouraged for those endgame monsters. Like, instead of Alatreon always killing you if you fail the elemental dps check, I'd prefer if he almost always did instead. Even if the chances are low/insanely hard to do, as long as it's still(theoretically) possible to out-skill it and live it'd make the fight so much more interesting, because you're either fighting for your life trying to survive this almost-impossible thing, or you're fighting for your life to avoid this thingy b/c you'd be screwed if it happened. My personal favorite solution was brought up by mhswoocer in his video "How A Forgotten Mechanic "Broke" Monster Hunter." Instead of an insta kill if you fail the dps check, what if instead there was a roided up rage mode. Idk that just sounds so much more fun than "do dps check, fail=dead, success=continue to fight." But other than EJ, Alatreon is genuinely such a good fight. His hitboxes are incredible, telegraphs are right where they need to be, and I love the theme. Edit: Idk why but my underlined words got deleted? so no emphasis for me T_T
@ Yeah I definitely see where you’re coming from. I agree the mechanics could be made in a more interesting way and give players more chances to interact with rather than just instant death. Appreciate your perspective! Made me realize there are potential ideas/solutions to the current controversial mechanics of these monsters while still keeping them challenging in their unique ways.
Hey that’s unfortunate to hear, if you ever decide to give it another try just take it slow! Find a weapon you love and stick with it, since when the game gets tough that will be your motivation to keep going. Similar to maining certain characters in competitive multiplayer games.
I find challenging myself learning a variety of different weapons to be quite enjoyable in Monster Hunter. I've been playing SnS all throughout Monster Hunter Rise until in endgame, but now switching to MHGU which I'm starting from scratch, I've been testing out all kinds of different weapons and just trying them out like CB, IG, and GS for example. This is how I find myself enjoying the game a lot more instead of just clinging on to that single weapon choice throughout the whole game, which there's nothing wrong with doing btw, it's just that I like to expand my knowledge with certain type of weapons and see what weapon works comfortably against a certain monster.
Yeah playing a variety of weapons can be fun for sure. I tried a few others in some quests for fun and it was cool learning a bit bout some of the weapons this way. Overall though I personally prefer to stick to few things and try to become the best I can be with them. It’s exciting to me to put a lot of time into a weapon and break the limit with it.
I had a similar starting experience but the way it happened with me was that I started with Long sword but couldn't pull off counters with any luck as I had no knowledge of monster movements or character timing. I eventually just started hitting the monsters till dead which was a slow process. I moved over to the harder hitting Great Sword and monsters ended up dying without me even trying! Until Odagaron put an end to that. This monster literally danced around me while hitting me with a bleed effect that I had nothing to cure it with. I then went in to the armory to find an Odagaron killer, I was thinking ranged weapons would be best, when I discovered the twins separated at birth: the Charge Blade and the Switch Axe! I was thinking about the CB when I played the SA just in case I didn't like the lack of defense options. But the Switch Axe was everything I wanted in a weapon. Once I performed my first ZSD I knew it was the right weapon for me. Odagaron went down easily as did all other monsters! This is because of the exhaust phial and that became part of my status ailment builds from then on. I specifically aimed to knock monsters down and keep control of the hunt. I finished a whole playthrough with Switch Axe alone and did a 2nd playthrough with Long Sword and a 3rd with Charge Blade. Finding the weapon that's right for me was the beginning of all my successful hunts and it still is. Long live the Switch Axe! (as well as Charge Blade, Long Sword, and Great Sword!)
As an IG player, my biggest wall was AT Velkhana. I quickly learned that I was too grounded and I didn't utilize my Diving Thrust as much. Learn fighting AT Velkhana was learning how to use my IG to it's full potential. Only then, I fought Alatreon, even using a raw IG (because elemental kinsect, duh 😅)
Elemental kinsect with the Fatalis glaive actually goes hard. The bug is capable of hitting the elemental check all on his own if you spam the kinsect drill on the dive. That's what IG speedrunners use to kill Alatreon. Just a raw fatty build with slow elemental kinsect.
Yeah, it forces you to learn on the last 3 fights. After, like, 90 other monsters and their variations. Kind of late. But yeah, AT Velkhana was my wall and I stopped on it. I beat everything else and even got a full Fatalis set, but I couldn't take down ATV. Maybe one day I'll return to it. Not sure what it was, I rarely got hit and never carted, but I still couldn't kill it in time, even with help (they generally cart failure'd me anyway). I know my biggest issue was that I generally don't wallbang. I'll have to learn that I think.
I just blazed through the game with what I could make from assignned quests. Then when I fought alatreon. I had to take a break cuz of how long it took to beat (still not beaten) and it’s been 30 hours fighting it. So I made a new save and found I really love sns, so I played the new save up to Brachy and went back to my main and found builds I made up myself that gave huge advantages to my play style. Then copied a build I liked and have been fighting alatreon. Wish me luck!
Arch Velkhana was pretty fun. It was challenging, but way more fun than Fatalis. I use Dual Blades, so I was constantly sliding on her ice and doing flashy Levi Ackerman attacks.
As an Old Hunter (GS and LS main sinfe MHFU) LS teach to me that Hunter has to more aggressive than the monster I was hunting And for GS, I learned to be patient and use all windows a monster gives to me
Honestly with him I struggled for like a day or two but it was more so because i brought every weapon in the game and tested them only weapon that i could always kill him with was the great sword he has a lot of attacks that he just pauses like the thunder attacks or fire breathe attack an I can always do a hit and run attack on him an avoid a lot of his attacks but yes every weapon has its in and outs I always had this thought in my head since I’ve played the titles since 3 ultimate every monster has a weapon that just counters them better than others so I’ve always played monster hunter using every weapon equally like 5 or 6 hunts then switch which really helps with learning monsters and weapons because you kinda understand the monster on a wider scale then just using one weapon
Congratulations hunter! It's always so wholesome seeing other players overcome walls and persevering through adversity I am myself in a training arc currently lol,trying to beat fatalis under 10 min and it's so tough How excited are you for wilds ?
Oh dang lol nice. Hope you can achieve your goal before Wilds release! As for me I’m hyped for Wilds ofc, so many new things and quality of life changes. Feels like MH is entering a new era. Also many of the weapons look really interesting so might try some others too.
I dont know why, but I really struggled against alatreon with longsword (which I had used for 90% of my playthrough) until I decided to try charge blade. my charge blade was weaker than my longsword in stats and build, but I still had an easier time fighting alatreon with it until I finally defeated it
I feel the same way, I used the swag axe the whole game up until Raging brach, I had to use the SNS as I needed mobility but I ran into the same issue of being greedy. Then I tried the Hunting Horn and it changed the whole game. I felt I could afford to be more patient. I only have Fatalis and AT Velana left to go. Stuck on Fatalis and leaving Velk for last
See...i completely ignored the horn mechanic by using a optimized dragon dual blade build ala takes dragon damage regardless of what elm he is yes even when he is in dragon
Everyone over there hating the absolute hell out of alatreon and its mechanics, While im over here saying its my top favorite fight in the entire game and by far my favorite monster lol
As a lance player, I feel like that's a weapon that naturally teaches you these concepts. It's a weapon where there is no such thing as making space, so you have no choice but to figure out how to survive without escaping from the monster's attacks. Blocking isn't just your main way to defend, but it's also your main crutch you need to learn to stop abusing, as lance has one of the lowest DPS in the game, so the only way to get decent times is to find ways to score hits in the smallest of windows. And it's not like lance has big attacks to push your DPS even higher, so you have no choice but to squeeze damage out by finding more opportunities to attack rather than simply finding ways to fit in your big attacks.
It's so similar to GS, yet the exact opposite at the same time. They both teach the same lessons, but by going about it in completely opposite ways. GS teaches you how to find safe openings to strike, while lance teaches you that everything is an opening that just needs a smart application to be exploited safely.
@@FGMagala Hey that’s a really interesting perspective! I would have never realized that since I don’t play lance, but what you’re saying makes sense. I can def see how you would have to make the most out of your openings similar to GS, especially if you’re soloing quests.
That's a perfect description of Lance ngl.
Started as a GS and CB main, after the endgame I tried out lance and I have to say this description is really accurate. Lance teaches you this concept by default and it's a really rewarding playstyle and weapon the moment you get this way of play ingrained in your system. Lance made me a better GS and CB player too
Something I like to say is that despite what it seems on the surface, once you learn how to play Lance it is the most agressive weapon out of them all. It demands that you are constantly a thorn in the monsters side at all times and never let up the pressure. Light weapons generally have to play more evasively with a lot of repositioning, and heavy weapons generally have to look for big openings they can commit themselves to, but the Lance wants to you see every single attack as an opening.
Even before the addition of the Offensive Guard skill the Lance shined the most when fighting through the monsters attacks constantly.
When I first picked it up I could never have expected how much this weapon, and its constant push through fangs, fire, and claws, made me feel like a berserker.
As a lance main that's a terrible description for the lance, but it got the right idea (sorta). GS is my second main in World and my GS gameplay benefitted a lot from me being a lance main
This is one of the best MH videos I've seen in a while. You get the challenge of being a hunter and overcoming the walls perfectly and you're really good at explaining it
I was lucky enough that I clued into the mechanic by accident. My first run was pretty seamless but then when I did it again I couldn't do it for like 50 attempts which was frustrating as hell. I learned a lot about building lodouts though and other buffs/synergies which id been ignoring by just bulldozing through fights.
@@trinitycat1723 Yeah the game doesn’t really do a good job explaining builds. I think by the time people get to Alatreon is when they start looking up builds and taking it seriously cause at that point it’s almost necessary. Can def relate to just brute forcing the earlier fights 😅
Firstly CONGRATS to this dude on the victory and video and I now might have a reason to fight Velkana for that armor cosmetics :P
I haven't had much sense of a need to face them yet but coming back to MHW after a long time away feels very different this time around. I'm a lot more engaged in my personal loadout and I think that's because I wanted to focus on smooth gameplay as I expected to be playing with a personal squad. I Distinctly remember my first wall being Barroth and the birth of the concepts that he talks about here where I now forever know that I can attack barroth from his left side after a charge because his tail swings right. But at some point after getting that smooth I became complacent(discovering duel blades in the other titles probably didn't help xD) and started being sloppier aswell.
Since coming back into Iceborne, that small focus on being cleaner in the fights has been bringing me a lot more enjoyment in the details again. That focus on cleanup could also be from preparing myself to dive straight into Wilds in Feb aswell :P But yes that's where the real gameplay meat is in MH. Finding your own Meta through a combination of learning your own openings and pairing it with self made builds that might offer you a unique playstyle. Because the details DO matter but not enough to ruin your game if you are not a player that goes that far. Few games manage to strike that beautiful balance.
(extra thought/Hype)
But that's why Alatraeon is controversial. It starts to put limits on your creativity which is a big spit in the face of what MH traditionally does right with difficulty which is soft failing you(faint 3 times before giving you a time out and space to reflect and retry), never hard failing you and in general that's a thing to be careful of in game design because it's essentially pulling you out of that game flow right as you're maybe getting comfortable being in the thick action.
BUT the VERY cool news is that this is that the implementation of these mechanics seem so MASSIVELY different, even with the Velkana fight that as a game designer I see this as basically being the same kind of thing that they love to do which is test new boundaries that they want to build on because it adds value to MH multiple titles down the line. The evolution into expeditions, seemless locals in MHW, verticallity in Rise+ Hunter arts being mixed as wire bugs etc.
These hard limits feel a lot like they are testing that very edge of what kind of HARD difficulty they can drive against the players. So I expect Wilds to potentially iterate and come out with something that might be a lot like an organic open world siege(rise tested multiple main monsters with rampages)where mechanics could get more detailed for whatever big monster they end up putting you against (they will have learned or new that hard failure is not quiet a good thing and may have been an oversight or something they went ahead with for neccesity reasons) because coincidentally if you think about Wilds, having you completely end a big hunt like Alatraeon by kicking you back to camp wouldn't really be a thing in an open world. That has me so excited to see what they might have been cooking up.
@@Nynkx Appreciate you, glad you liked the video! It’s cool that you want to go back to MHW again for some of the end game quests, their some of the best in the game imo and hopefully you can enjoy them before wilds is out. Can’t wait for its release as well.
Up until hornless kirin i dont even remember what build i use,just whatever with the most defense on my armor, random ass deco and whatever purple sharpness weapon that i can get, hunts take 30mins on average it was burning me out
Im convinced that MH has the most beautiful learning curve out of all games. Do to MH nearly perfect combat, it feels even better getting better than in any other game.
This was a surprise, a random video from someone I have never heard of, on the game I love, getting me genuinely invested in what feels like a diary entry of a video. You're honestly inspiring and I hope to see more from you at some point, this video made me realize I can take my hunts slower without losing dps as long as I learn.
Ty, I’m glad you enjoyed the video! Yeah take the fights slow at first and learn as you go. It may feel like the dps is low, but you’d be surprised how much your dps increases when you just don’t get hit often, saves so much time. Eventually you become comfortable with the monsters move set and naturally play faster as a result. Appreciate your support!
This video was amazing as a veteran of mhw it makes me glad to see other hunters play and overcome those walls instead of giving up, well done.
You’ve inspired me to finish every monster before wilds comes out, I stopped playing before the black dragons dropped and haven’t tried them yet but it’s time, great video good luck with the final boss of all monster hunter.
i love seeing people evolve like this, keep making videos when wilds comes out!
Loved Monster Hunter exactly for this reason! Someone may have the most optimized build but having little to no understanding of the monster, the weapon, and themselves will render that build useless. + Using the charge blade adds another layer of difficulty managing phials and charge times during the hunt too.
Great vid! Your speaking pace is perfect, very easy to follow. Keep it up!
Ty for the kind words! That’s one of my favorite aspects of monster hunter too. One could have all the best gear but at end of the day it’s up to the player to improve and learn the fight. Ty for your support!
Great Video. I actually started off as a Hammer user, then switched to Switch Axe due to the Zero Sum Discharge in World. Playing through the game as an Axe user made me understand and appreciate the challenges of the weapon: long swing animations, manage the sword gauge, short hop i-frames, keeping the power axe up, and making builds to support the weapon (evade window/extender and power prolonger). That thinking helped me to play different weapons and experiment with builds that support the weapon and use armor skills that not many players think about (for example, using Latent Power and Resentment with Safi armor to activate the skills due to the health drain using Dual Blades or Bow).
i always loved monster hunter combat but couldn’t find the words as to why, but this video did it for me. very well thought out and explained video 🙏
I felt that this fight for you was very personal indeed. Congrats though!
I’m lucky to have started MH with the 4U demo back on the 3DS. Playing these games for so long (especially the older games) taught me to make my own openings from a young age. Now if only my 10 year old self knew how important making armor was. Fighting Shagaru Magala with Gendrome armor and Felyne Puppet dual blades wasn’t the best experience lol.
Great video, by the way. Here’s hoping Wilds has some incredible challenges for everyone that leads to us understanding these games even more :D
Very similar experience with me on this, often a step back and change in perspective is all it takes in Monster Hunter!
Great video man, especially for a first upload- cant wait to see more :)
3:03 Damn! You sent it flying to the next continent 😂
Dude, this video is crazy good. Keep making them you’ll find success I’m sure of it
Great watch. Happy for you embracing MH for what it is, look forward to seeing more videos from you
Freaking awesome video. I'm 13hr hours or so into the game and I'm hoping to experience these bosses and learn these lessons in the future.
Loved the video! I've typically been a ranged player, but your video has encouraged me to delve into more melee (i have played CB/SnS/Lance a bit, but not into the hundreds of hours). I really enjoyed this video and was engaged all the way though. Keep up the good work, and looking forward to seeing videos when wilds launches!
@@Mezion oh lol nice, I actually used to play bow at first for a bit but then switched to CB and I never went back. I loved the melee style, it’s super satisfying to play.
Played through the game with Longsword and I can't express the feeling of finally being able to utilize the counters properly by understanding monster movements and attack timings while managing my own positioning and combos instead of praying the monster attacks in time and I get the foresight slash off. I haven't experienced this type of learning curve in any other game. Capcom are geniuses.
As a CB player I had a very similar experience, alatreon and ATV were my biggest walls, though I did beat alatreon and ATV before fully grasping the "strategic hyper aggression" concept. But then, once I saw a TH-cam video titled "why you suck at mhw" or smth, and it described exactly how this concept works in MH games and how to be effective in dealing dmg. So I decided I wanted to get actually good at the game, and repeatedly fighting against alatreon and ATV made me fully understand the concept, and now I fully enjoy the combat in a much deeper level, beating endgame monsters faster than I ever thought I'd do. Now whenever I see someone struggling I try to explain this concept, it's good that you realized it and made a good video about it.
Why ATV, it's not that much harder than normal velkhana which is pretty easy. As in what specifically made it so hard? Was it just that you weren't doing strategic aggression or were there other factors. I just don't get why people say it's so hard.
@JustAFishBeingAFish most likely due to the high HP and the higher dmg it does, enough to 1 shot/2 shot you, while also having only 30min time limit.
@ yeah the HP is pretty high but all the oneshot attacks are quite easy to dodge and very telegraphed. The time limit is just obtuse though, was never a problem for me on ATV but on fatalis that timer is so unfair. Maybe the reason it's not a problem for me is because I play greatsword which is probably the easiest matchup. I can see how the timer and the moveset would be way harder on other weapons.
@ As a CB player that didn't really absorb the moveset of the monsters and understood the actual size and positioning of the openings, it made the fight pretty hard when she does so much dmg, and then there's the DPS required to finish the quest within the time limit. IMO CB is kinda bad against her, and I focused too much in the mechanics of the weapon instead of the monster, so that's that. I never got good against the normal fight before ATV, I just fought her, and whenever I got hit I would heal, but ATV's higher aggression and dmg doesn't really allow for that, specially with CB being such a "clunky" weapon. So I would get hit and struggle to find an opening to heal.
@rafaeljunmorita3558 Yeah CB seems like a bad matchup.
It's funny because i feel exactly the same way. I struggled against Alatreon for a good month before finally beating beating yesterday. Part of me felt frustrated as i didn't have access to Safi and Kjarr weapons that are optimal for that fight, but i could also see the end of the tunnel.
Excellent CB gameplay btw, i see that i have many things still to learn.
The way you put your thoughs in this video really resonates with me.
Oddly enough, i also want to make the guild palace set and AT Velkana is probably going to be my next block before Fatalis.
Anyway, excellent video !
fatalis dropped first in terms of content releases. Might be worth doing first as the AT velk fight very much assumes you have that set/weapon to complete it more easily
@@roar104 Oh, thanks for the heads up. That also explains why I got absolutely nuked by mister cool dragon...
Way to stay in it. Sometimes just more experience can make or break a fight.
Alatreon took me 21 attempts to solo after putting in over 1100 hours in MHW before fighting it. Sometimes things just click and you have a moment of clarity and this realization can completely change your hunting style for the better.
solid CB gameplay my friend. that's the exact same reason why I love Monster hunter. forces you to learn, and when you do learn and beat them, it's the best feeling ever.
I love how you were able to mix the sharing of the concepts with the story telling of your experience, how in the end rather than "Walls" the specific monsters became teachers. Extremely cool video, pretty inspiring between the persistency and the care of the craft, in this case, working to become a better hunter.
This is incredibly wholesome. Love to see it compared to the traditional toxicity found on the internet. Well done! I'm a longtime great sword main and it's an incredibly rewarding weapon that teaches you a ton about the game. I'm gonna add charge blade to my repertoire for wilds. I look forward to seeing more videos in the future!
Thank you, my friend, this video has inspired me. I'm very new into the MH series as I just started MH world about 5 months ago, I had only fought alatreon once (failed miserably) and didn't dare to touch alatreon as i shift my focus fighting other monster. But watching your video motivated and made me yearn for the fight against alatreon. I'll try to progress towards a build fit for fighting alatreon. I hope this message too motivates you to keep making awesome content 👍
@@Lee-rg3yo Hey Ty! I’m glad you were able to get some motivation and try fighting Alatreon again. Like I said I struggled a lot against it at first too but now it’s one my favorite monsters. Good luck on the quest to beat Alatreon. Take it slow and focus on your mistakes to improve and better learn the fight!
Alatreon is one of the funniest fights in the game imo,very punishable moves once you get them and the flow of the fight is so so good to me!
*That 30 minute time limit is the most stressful thing in Monster Hunter!*
It is hard to stay calm when you are so close to killing it, but the timer says 5 minutes left. I slayed Fatalis with 35 seconds remaining. I was in so much pain from the stress, that I could barely move to carve the body. I nearly fainted IRL. It had taken me three days with at least 6 times reaching Proof of a Hero and failing.
You are outlining my current Dual blades thoughts. I am finding I get to greedy with which is somwthing I need to fix. Also glad to encounter a fellow charge blade main!!!!
Those clutch claws when hes jumping up are fuckin epic bro good job
this is the exact thing what i did with dark souls. now i know what are the similarity between them both. its a great experience for sure
Dude, when I first got stuck on Alatreon as a Charge Blade main as well a friend told me about "adept style" in older monster hunter games. I had no clue what he was talking about so I looked up a video about it on here & it was basically evading i-frames. After that I learned how to evade at the right times to avoid attacks while attacking back & shortly thereafter beat Alatreon. AT-Velkhana I ended up beating on my 2nd try due to learning that playstyle for Alatreon. I got a video up now of a build that beats Alatreon without breaking horns & without carting that I did for fun to show someone else it was doable. Lol. I was very rusty in the video cause I'd been gone for months but I still did it despite playing poorly. You, my good sir, look to play far better than I ever did. 😂😂 Good job & glad you overcame those two walls. Alatreon is my 2nd favorite fight in the entire MH World with the Final Fantasy Behemoth being my favorite (love using an emote to avoid an attack). 😁
Edit: this was the video in question that taught me. 😂 th-cam.com/video/zw1f9YSMMZY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-CSCIgz42l1Tw3bh
As a Hunting Horn player, I found myself instinctively try and dodge as many things as possible, but because my songs have a long time I'm unable to do anything after starting them, I found myself needing to learn how to position myself for damage while also avoiding being hit, this was so refreshing to see someone else learn this
Great video and really captures why MH is such a beloved series.
There's very few games that are so satisfying to learn.
You've got a great narration voice too, and the video was really well cut together.
Looking forward to what else you come out with!
Thank you for your support! Glad you enjoyed the video
rlly good video ! struggling with alatreon currently but im slowly working my way there. thanks for the inspiration
This video (in my opinion) is 99% Asking for a like anc sub is such a TH-camr thing. People know.
Forget my opinion-
This was very good. You keep this type of content up, you will grow in Monster Hunter Wilds. I feel your pain. Only way to learn is by experience. If you read in between the lines, games can actually teach life- long- learning skills. Wish you all the best and don't change for anyone else.
Adios!
I love the "I was ready" part! :D
The game rewards efficiency, I used to always dodge roll in a panick during an attack, but you realize not all attacks require dodging, the power of walking aside unscathed rewards you with openings for poking, this has led me to becoming much reckless playing HH against Fatalis due to its movement speed buff, dodging becomes somewhat a reposition, not to just avoid attacks, Dodge rolling during fatalis' swirly snake bite attacks, but being able to hit the head after each bite, rolling to the right place at the right time
The sheer reward of making a guaranteed headbreak on a fatalis solo is so satisfying. The same thing applies to gunlance
Alatreon definitely a wall that is scary and frustrating, especially I've farmed the sht out of it in Generation Ult and years before Tri, so Woldborne's version is severely different.Cool video and hope to see more
Exquisite - Savage Axe Purist 😆. If you don't learn at the beginning of this game, you will learn at the end of it. Cheers bro and on to Wilds soon.
I came across this video a few weeks ago, but I admittedly stopped midway thru because I wanted to develop my own opinions on some of these fights, more specifically Alatreon, since I've been revisiting World with friends, and we haven't beaten him until very recently. Even after the first group clear, I decided to continue hunting him solo to get a better feel of his fight because I felt like I could improve. And I can say that after several days, I do find myself feeling comfortable going into the fight without too many major setbacks or mistakes on my part. It was a harsh grind for me because, to be completely honest, these were my first times ever beating Alatreon. I unfortunately was never able to experience him up until now (which was out of my control since my original save data got corrupted, and that's besidr thr point). But I do feel a sense of satisfaction with how this fight goes now compared to the first few attempts.
What I'm trying to get at is, is that after playing Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, playing World for the first time solo, experiencing Rise and Sunbreak, to then come back to World in anticipation of Wilds, I have come to a realization that when it comes to certain fights in Monster Hunter that are rather difficult and are considered "walls": these fights such as Alatreon, AT Velkhana, Fatalis, EX Deviants from GU, and some of the Hazard quests in Rise/Sunbreak are there to truly test your skills and abilities as a hunter in a lot of these cases. And admittedly, these fights do teach you to fight in a careful, effective, and efficient manner to really do these things, but I do think that Iceborne falls short in the aspect of **when** these fights should be given to you to test your limits.
While it is not entirely impossible to beat Alatreon following the Special Assignments given to you after you beat the main story of Iceborne, it's honestly the fact that you can possibly fight him without facing Yian Garuga, Ruiner, the Metal Raths, or potentially even clear Safi or Kulve before you decide to fight him. And I think this particular decision is partly why many feel so jaded on him: when you gain access to him, you are weighed with a lot of expectations that previous monsters didn't require, at least not nearly as much. I think the only other monster that comes close to these expectations is honestly Behemoth because of how that fight is meant to be treated. I think Alatreon, and therefore AT Velkhana and Fatalis introduce such a steep learning curve on how to beat them swayed many hunters from pushing past them and putting their limits and capabilities to the test.
GU and Sunbreak have their own difficult quests that those games have to offer, but I think the progression of gettting to those quests that asks a lot from the player is bit smoother, albeit longer in some cases such as Sunbreak with its massive MR requirements. Still, they're set in place in a way that the challenge steadily increases for that by time you reach the hardest fights, you should have developed the skills and expectations to take on these monsters. I just think that Alatreon welcomes unsuspecting hunters too harshly, and it can damage the perspective people can have on him even tho I think his fight can be enjoyable. I'd much rather take him as he is now in Iceborne than what he was like in previous games, personally.
Good video man! It's crazy how experience can change how you view the game
Dude no way you have less than 50 subs. Content is amazingly made. PLEASE keep making videos. Until i saw it i wouldve expected at least a few thousand subs from video quality
@@apersonthatshere3029 Hey Ty for the kind words, it means a lot! Appreciate your support!
@@Avarosa727 if a channel is good I’ll say it
Bro ! Im here waiting for the next one! You are a hell of a beast! Im a gen 1 Veteran and I have to admit, you are Not caged with a Monster. The Monster is caged with you
After watching you overcome the two great walls of yours. I some would like to tell you in person. Congratulations
Excellent self-improvement anime arc
really amazing video, love it. Your editing skill are also sublime. Truly a masterpiece.
I"m also a youtuber who's been doing this for about 3 years and my editing skills aren't nearly as good as yours
the more i played mhw the more i felt that alatreon's fight is one of my favorites
like yes it forces you to do a elemental build
but the alatreon's moveset is fair and each weapons have a individual elemental modifier to help slow weapons to not fall behind
One of my favorites bossfights ever
great video!
A couple things I learned while trying to do it myself is that you can actually shut down its elemental power *twice* before it begins the wipe mechanic. Effectively doubling your survivability during the attack. If you're at a max amount of health that you can get, it won't even deal enough damage to kill you in one go.
The other thing was that if you ever had trouble with breaking the horns, flinch shots can be easy pickings if you can keep an eye on your windows of opportunity.
Holy video recommendation🙏🏾
At first Alatreon was an insanely hard fight. Now I’ve beaten it with Sword and Shield, Great Sword, Lance, Gun Lance, Dual Blades, and charge blade. Each time was a new play through.
the way you played against velkhana ur gonna enjoy wilds
Some guy with 250 subs and a Carmilla profile picture suddenly dropped this awesome MHW vid. Thank you, thank you for this! Now we need to see the Fatalis video :D
I hope to acheive this level of mastery someday. Congrats on your accomplishments!
I "trained" in the arena with a Velkhana. I also needed some of those coins for a layered armor. 2 birds in one stone.
Luckily DB was one of the options in the fight, which was my main. Forced me to put all my knowledge in the weapon without over relying on comfort skills, as well as sorta memorize Velkhana moves/cues.
Really helped me a lot. Got my Frostcraft (gamma) set completed. 😅
Great video man hope to see more, got yourself a sub!
I love the evolution in this fight and fatalis too. but it makes me understand that some people didn't want to be challenged in a video game, or be told what to do.
I hope the next games don't do bloated damage numbers and maybe even let's us see what portion of our hits is the element we are using in case we have a fight like this.
then again. if the fight was made that clear, I might not ever get to be challenged in monster hunter again
food for thought.
Your video allowed me to beat Alatreon, thank you :)
@@Ozcaty Hey congratulations!
This fight is very good and does it's job extremely well. You are right, it does FORCE you to get better at the game. Every other monster excluding Fatalis can be beaten by just taking your time and wearing it down. Even if the hunt takes 20 or 30 or more minutes, as long as you don't use all your lives, and even if you are terrible at the game eventually you will win. Alatreon and Fatalis don't let that happen. Fatalis with his insane damage output and low 30 min timer. And Alatreon with his escaton judgement. They don't let you play passive. If you play passive and scared, or spend the whole hunt getting hit, constantly chugging potions you won't win. You HAVE to learn to play aggressive without getting greedy.
This goes for pretty much every game, but is extremely prevalent in MH. You have to think of it kind of like red light, green light. When it's red light it's the monsters turn to attack, when it's green light is when it's safe for you to attack. If you keep attacking during red light you aren't gonna have a good time. Every monster has a rhythm of when it's your turn and when it's their turn. It's up to the player to learn that rhythm. That and for Alatreon and Fatalis especially your build matters. If you are really good at the game you can get away with some pretty barebones builds. But only if you are really skilled. You can't just pull up to Alatreon or Fatalis with a shitty build as a regular joe shmo player and think you are gonna beat it. The worse you are at the game, the more having a really strong build matters.
I've seen plenty of people just give up and blame their failure on the game. That the only reason they can't beat it is because the game is too hard or because the fight is poorly designed. When in reality it's just a skill issue. They shift blame onto the game because it's easier than admitting that they just aren't good at it. And out of frustration they claim it's impossible or only speedrunners can beat it. I watched Asmongold beat this fight playing like a freaking neanderthal. If he can eventually get good enough to do it with his level of skill. I firmly believe anyone can do it.
Anybody out there that is still struggling to do this. I believe in you. It's not impossible. You CAN do it.
You sir…have earned the highest respect possible. A reality check to those who think the game is too hard for some people to play, but to simply enjoying the game at their own pace and let your hard work explain itself. Congratulations man, well deserved congrats🎉🎊
I remember the first monster that forced me to learn was Odogaron. As a hammer main it was nearly impossible to dodge his attacks, so I took a 3 month break, and when I came back I was able to quickly learn his attack patterns and killed him. That’s when I learned how important it can be to use elements against monsters, how to dodge them, what armor to use against them, all that stuff.
This is making me want to do my first weapon switch (from bow to sword and shield) and give myself a training montage 👀
I was the same with fatalis, couldn’t get passed him and then i put the game down for 2 years and came back to play in 2024. I learned the fight used smoke bombs heaps and got really good at using my main weapon and finally beat him. today fatalis is my favourite fight.
Well is not as bullsh*t as eggs quest in the first monhun game.😊
True Monster Hunter is a game where you learn how to play game properly. i never heard of any word about Iframe, meta build, etc anything like that before until i play MH. Once you become good at it you will easily become good in any other game. This game make you become a good observer find the weakness of the boss, executing your planning perfectly, improve skill, study the meta of the game and make use of anything that will benefit you.
Alatreon is the greatest fight in MH and easily in gaming history. He takes almost everything great about MH combat, pumps it all up to 11, and unlike the other tough fights in MH, doesn't allow you to be a good hunter. He doesn't even allow you to be a great hunter.... he forces you to be the BEST hunter that you could possibly be and the closest you could be to becoming a speedrunner in MH. His Escaton's Judgement forces you to make the ABSOLUTE MOST of every open and doesn't let you rest or hang back like you used to. He makes you rise to the peak of your abilities to beat the DPS check, survive EJ, and win the fight.
This on top of his moveset which I'd easily argue is THE best moveset of any monster and it's easy to see why he's possibly the greatest fight/boss in the entire game if not franchise❤️🔥
Congratulations on overcoming your walls and challenging yourself to become a more skilled player!
Arch tempered velkhana made me learn and love the greatsword
0:52 oh hey that's me 0_0. But I definitely agree(at least on a personal level) that hyper aggressive "making your own openings" is a super fun way to play. That's kinda what drew me to the lance in the first place, how you're always up in a monsters face and turning every attack it makes into one of your own. I don't think it should be mandatory/forced however, as is likely evident from my rant you flashed. I'd prefer it be rewarded/incentivized instead, like with ruiner nerg's spikes and gore magala's frenzy virus.
Oh hey lol, nice to see you here. I see what you mean when you say it shouldn’t be forced, but at the same time this play style is heavily encouraged/needed only for the end game bosses, them being Alatreon, AT Vel, and Fatalis. Everything else you can take your time since they’re all 50 min. I think these monsters are designed this way just to offer a difficult challenge in the end game. I think if this style was forced throughout the entire game then that would be an issue, but it’s only for the end game quests. Everyone has their own opinions and what they find fun at the end of the day, I totally see your point as I was stuck on these monsters myself for a while. I enjoy them now since I feel like I improved a lot as a hunter as a result of those quests and gave me something to grind despite being towards the end of the game in terms of content.
@@Avarosa727 That's completely fair yeah. I just wish the needle was moved ever so slightly away from needed/forced into heavily encouraged for those endgame monsters. Like, instead of Alatreon always killing you if you fail the elemental dps check, I'd prefer if he almost always did instead. Even if the chances are low/insanely hard to do, as long as it's still(theoretically) possible to out-skill it and live it'd make the fight so much more interesting, because you're either fighting for your life trying to survive this almost-impossible thing, or you're fighting for your life to avoid this thingy b/c you'd be screwed if it happened. My personal favorite solution was brought up by mhswoocer in his video "How A Forgotten Mechanic "Broke" Monster Hunter." Instead of an insta kill if you fail the dps check, what if instead there was a roided up rage mode. Idk that just sounds so much more fun than "do dps check, fail=dead, success=continue to fight." But other than EJ, Alatreon is genuinely such a good fight. His hitboxes are incredible, telegraphs are right where they need to be, and I love the theme.
Edit: Idk why but my underlined words got deleted? so no emphasis for me T_T
@ Yeah I definitely see where you’re coming from. I agree the mechanics could be made in a more interesting way and give players more chances to interact with rather than just instant death. Appreciate your perspective! Made me realize there are potential ideas/solutions to the current controversial mechanics of these monsters while still keeping them challenging in their unique ways.
@@Avarosa727 Appreciate you as well!
I feel like the saying "fortune favors the brave." Is the model for Monster hunter in general.
I lost count of how many times I tried and failed to learn these games, elder dragons look crazy though.
Hey that’s unfortunate to hear, if you ever decide to give it another try just take it slow! Find a weapon you love and stick with it, since when the game gets tough that will be your motivation to keep going. Similar to maining certain characters in competitive multiplayer games.
I find challenging myself learning a variety of different weapons to be quite enjoyable in Monster Hunter. I've been playing SnS all throughout Monster Hunter Rise until in endgame, but now switching to MHGU which I'm starting from scratch, I've been testing out all kinds of different weapons and just trying them out like CB, IG, and GS for example. This is how I find myself enjoying the game a lot more instead of just clinging on to that single weapon choice throughout the whole game, which there's nothing wrong with doing btw, it's just that I like to expand my knowledge with certain type of weapons and see what weapon works comfortably against a certain monster.
Yeah playing a variety of weapons can be fun for sure. I tried a few others in some quests for fun and it was cool learning a bit bout some of the weapons this way. Overall though I personally prefer to stick to few things and try to become the best I can be with them. It’s exciting to me to put a lot of time into a weapon and break the limit with it.
Fatalis and AT Velkhana: should we tell him?
I had a similar starting experience but the way it happened with me was that I started with Long sword but couldn't pull off counters with any luck as I had no knowledge of monster movements or character timing. I eventually just started hitting the monsters till dead which was a slow process. I moved over to the harder hitting Great Sword and monsters ended up dying without me even trying! Until Odagaron put an end to that. This monster literally danced around me while hitting me with a bleed effect that I had nothing to cure it with. I then went in to the armory to find an Odagaron killer, I was thinking ranged weapons would be best, when I discovered the twins separated at birth: the Charge Blade and the Switch Axe! I was thinking about the CB when I played the SA just in case I didn't like the lack of defense options. But the Switch Axe was everything I wanted in a weapon. Once I performed my first ZSD I knew it was the right weapon for me. Odagaron went down easily as did all other monsters! This is because of the exhaust phial and that became part of my status ailment builds from then on. I specifically aimed to knock monsters down and keep control of the hunt. I finished a whole playthrough with Switch Axe alone and did a 2nd playthrough with Long Sword and a 3rd with Charge Blade. Finding the weapon that's right for me was the beginning of all my successful hunts and it still is. Long live the Switch Axe! (as well as Charge Blade, Long Sword, and Great Sword!)
As an IG player, my biggest wall was AT Velkhana. I quickly learned that I was too grounded and I didn't utilize my Diving Thrust as much. Learn fighting AT Velkhana was learning how to use my IG to it's full potential. Only then, I fought Alatreon, even using a raw IG (because elemental kinsect, duh 😅)
Elemental kinsect with the Fatalis glaive actually goes hard. The bug is capable of hitting the elemental check all on his own if you spam the kinsect drill on the dive. That's what IG speedrunners use to kill Alatreon. Just a raw fatty build with slow elemental kinsect.
Savage axe goes brrrrrrt
Yeah, it forces you to learn on the last 3 fights. After, like, 90 other monsters and their variations. Kind of late.
But yeah, AT Velkhana was my wall and I stopped on it. I beat everything else and even got a full Fatalis set, but I couldn't take down ATV. Maybe one day I'll return to it.
Not sure what it was, I rarely got hit and never carted, but I still couldn't kill it in time, even with help (they generally cart failure'd me anyway). I know my biggest issue was that I generally don't wallbang. I'll have to learn that I think.
I just blazed through the game with what I could make from assignned quests. Then when I fought alatreon. I had to take a break cuz of how long it took to beat (still not beaten) and it’s been 30 hours fighting it. So I made a new save and found I really love sns, so I played the new save up to Brachy and went back to my main and found builds I made up myself that gave huge advantages to my play style. Then copied a build I liked and have been fighting alatreon. Wish me luck!
You got it for sure, keep going!
Arch Velkhana was pretty fun. It was challenging, but way more fun than Fatalis. I use Dual Blades, so I was constantly sliding on her ice and doing flashy Levi Ackerman attacks.
good hunts man
Good luck against Fatalis brother, he will change you as a person
Frost fang was basically added for this fight lol. Some of the better ice weapons for that point
As an Old Hunter (GS and LS main sinfe MHFU)
LS teach to me that Hunter has to more aggressive than the monster I was hunting
And for GS, I learned to be patient and use all windows a monster gives to me
@@paezlisandro800 Seems like we had similar experiences! It’s really cool how which weapon someone uses can change their perspective of the game.
Carmilla
Alatreon whatever name is literally “said u not ready for me my child comeback with more hate “ 😂
Honestly with him I struggled for like a day or two but it was more so because i brought every weapon in the game and tested them only weapon that i could always kill him with was the great sword he has a lot of attacks that he just pauses like the thunder attacks or fire breathe attack an I can always do a hit and run attack on him an avoid a lot of his attacks but yes every weapon has its in and outs I always had this thought in my head since I’ve played the titles since 3 ultimate every monster has a weapon that just counters them better than others so I’ve always played monster hunter using every weapon equally like 5 or 6 hunts then switch which really helps with learning monsters and weapons because you kinda understand the monster on a wider scale then just using one weapon
Congratulations hunter! It's always so wholesome seeing other players overcome walls and persevering through adversity
I am myself in a training arc currently lol,trying to beat fatalis under 10 min and it's so tough
How excited are you for wilds ?
Oh dang lol nice. Hope you can achieve your goal before Wilds release! As for me I’m hyped for Wilds ofc, so many new things and quality of life changes. Feels like MH is entering a new era. Also many of the weapons look really interesting so might try some others too.
Dude, you have to make more videos.
I dont know why, but I really struggled against alatreon with longsword (which I had used for 90% of my playthrough) until I decided to try charge blade. my charge blade was weaker than my longsword in stats and build, but I still had an easier time fighting alatreon with it until I finally defeated it
I feel the same way, I used the swag axe the whole game up until Raging brach, I had to use the SNS as I needed mobility but I ran into the same issue of being greedy. Then I tried the Hunting Horn and it changed the whole game.
I felt I could afford to be more patient. I only have Fatalis and AT Velana left to go. Stuck on Fatalis and leaving Velk for last
Alareon and AT Velk are my fav fights and I solo them with almost all melee weapons but ngl CB has special place to me as a GS player.
good video
Love it
See...i completely ignored the horn mechanic by using a optimized dragon dual blade build ala takes dragon damage regardless of what elm he is yes even when he is in dragon
Nice content bro, subbed
Still taking me months and switched to greastsword to learn, hopefully I can pass alatreon
I also got hard walled by alatreon, started a new game, and switched to great sword
This is me with the Malzeno sub species right now
Probably 10 Trys in
Everyone over there hating the absolute hell out of alatreon and its mechanics,
While im over here saying its my top favorite fight in the entire game and by far my favorite monster lol
It took me more time to beat Alatreon than Fatalis becuz I thought blast was element 😂