Larry David said studio audiences suck b/c the actors play to the live audience for easy laughs. You can see the effect in a show like Happy Days where the audience screams for each character who comes onto the set.
@@ForbinColossus Remember they said that about Kramer's entrances too - Kramer was becoming the Fonzie of the Seinfeld set - not his fault but the audience are so stoked and even encouraged to ramp it up.
@@gdparry2727 I think a key difference is that Sein was better written for Kramer. I never had the sense that Seinfeld unlike Happy Days was pushing a 'CHACHI' (horrible character introduced as Fonzi's cousin) or having Kramer water-ski over a shark!
Yes. And note the St. Elsewhere cameras filmed the Cheers set at angles never shown in the sitcom. This gives us (the audience) a more realistic view and feel of the bar.
st.elsewhere is the best show in the history of amercian television and this scene is mesmerizing and unforgettable because of the brilliant, subtle, and complex writing and acting. The fact that it does it with no action or plot, but just 3 old guys talking about life is simply amazing and wonderful.
absolutely agree, my favorite series and it never got the ratings it should have which I never understood. Is this an actual episode because I don't remember it?
@@JLee-g6w It was an interesting choice but I didn't really like it. This autistic little kid imagined Mark Harmon getting aids, Christina Pickles getting raped, Howie Mandel having crazy sex with the one woman, it just didn't work. I actually recently just tried watching the first 2 seasons again and it wasn't anywhere near as good as I remembered
It was an episode of "St. Elsewhere." Sometime before, on an episode of "Cheers," a pregnant Carla went into labor and, as she was carried out, called out that she would be at St. Eligius.
I've never seen St Elsewhere and wouldn't be here but for Cheers, but after watching that, I might have to give it a watch one way or the other. What a fantastically written and acted scene!
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This was a great crossover. You get a sense how much of a slur St. Elsewhere is the way Carla announced it and the whole bar booed them like they did at Red Sox futility. But these doctors handled it with dignity. It's also a credit how good the Cheers cast was in that they were able to stay in their respective characters in a more serious context.
Three great pros. Norman Lloyd, who got his start with Orson Welles. William Daniels, who always brings a touch of class to whatever he appears in. And sad, tragic Ed Flanders, who we lost too soon. If you haven't had a chance to see St. Elsewhere, check it out. Some of it may seem dated now, but the scene when Mr. Daniels reflects on the death of his son-breaking down at a desk in a recitation of "Sam I Am", and every quiet reflective moment between Lloyd and Flanders, are powerful, memorable moments, and a great example of the Actor's Craft. Thank you, Gentlemen.
Absolutely top-notch, those three. And the series was amazing. It's the hospital/doctors standard that never earned the super ratings, but received high praise from critics. It was social commentary, darkly comic, intelligent, and emotional, and that's why it struggled in the ratings.
I was in high school when it was on. And I never missed a Wednesday night episode. To me it was so cathartic because there was always a scene that was so moving you’d sob. And what a cast. These veterans and then the beginning of the careers of Denzel Washington, Ed Begley jr, howie Mandel, David Morse, Etc.
I disagree with those saying this crossover didn't work. St. Elsewhere was a very off kilter kind of show. It was like ER crossed with Arrested Development, with a little Hill Street Blues and Modern Family for good measure. It made perfect sense for the docs from St. E and the folks from Cheers to cross paths in this way.
"It's probably from slinging back all those beers. No wonder the mail never gets delivered!" Ha! Great line from William Daniels..and Ed Flanders' soliloquy about his father is simplistic and heartrending. Wonderful series (except for the stupid, lame-ass final episode.)
I read that there was crossover between the two shows considering they both take place in the Boston area but never gotten to see this...until now! Thanks for positng this awesome gem up!
the thing i like about this crossover was the fact that the cheers cast isnt a huge part of the episode its basically just a cameo appearance. No huge plot where norm would have a heart attack and have to be rushed to that hospital or something along those lines. they recognized that something like that wouldnt work because cheers was a sitcom and st elsewhere was a drama
This is so strange but cool! I'm a big fan of Cheers but I've never watched St. Elsewhere. But I love William Daniels. It's weird watching a scene in Cheers without the studio audience laughing! Such different camera angles for Cheers too since it was a sitcom.
The unique setting of Cheers aside, is there a show around today that could pull this off? I mean do a 12-minute long scene consisting of basically nothing but a conversation between 3 people and keep it as interesting as this?
No way. Other shows that could do this quite well were Barney Miller, Homicide: Life on the street and Hill Street Blues, shows that valued character driven and dialouge driven scenes like this.
The re-boot of Hawaii Five 0 has camera shots that last either three, six, nine or twelve seconds. I tried to sit through one episode without getting motion sick... it didn't work.
Enjoyed this a lot more all these years later. I was still an optimist in my 20s, wanted all the characters to be all pals! What was so jarring was the st. Elsewhere's handheld following NORM! into Cheers like he was entering the ER. But now, the way the Cheers characters feel without l"studio audience" is in itself funny.
Hey, even if St. Elsewhere WERE Tommy's dream, it's possible he remembered watching Cheers, and just imagined this scene. It's a lot like how many kids fantasize about being in their favorite shows. Only...different.
I watched this part several times by now but could never completed the whole thing. That is why I was surprised to hear what Donald talked about the dream of Tommy. I think it was planting the seeds for the snowball finale.
I do remember a scene with Tommy not autistic, and Donald reacting with delight, then Tommy saying something like, "Come on, Dad, you know I'll never be all right," then Donald waking up. That may have been the dream he referenced here.
OMFG! I was a big fan of _Cheers!_ back in the 80s but _St. Elsewhere_ was not a show that I ever watched back then or even knew much about so I never saw this before! I only just learned about it a little while ago while reading about something else so I decided to look for it here, and this is _such a total BRAIN FUCK!_ It _seriously_ feels like I'm tripping on some powerful hallucinogen! *Sequence of My Thoughts While Watching This:* Jesus! I'm seeing the set of _Cheers!_ 😮 But it's the doctors from _St. Elsewhere!_ And they're engaging in _serious dialog!_ But we're in _Cheers!_ 😮 And now here's _Carla,_ being all sarcastic and hostile, like always! And of course, that's _FUNNY!_ 😄 But _NOBODY'S LAUGHING!_ There's _no live audience!_ Not even a _laugh track!_ 😮 So she turns around. Okay! I know how this works! Now once her back is turned one of them will deliver some witty, wry observation about what just happened and we'll all laugh! 😄 [pause] WTF? Where was the _comeback?_ They're just going on as if that funny, weird exchange _never happened!_ 😮 And now here's _Norm!_ *Norm:* "Evenin', everybody!" *Everybody:* _"NORM!"_ Okay! Now we're talkin'! Suddenly, for just a second, the world makes sense to me again! I know where I am now! 😄 Now the camera will pan across the set, tracking him as he walks to his stool. Wait! The camera is _walking in front_ of him! _WHAT the HELL?_ 😮 And now _Norm_ is saying funny stuff! And it turns out there's a funny backstory between him and Dr. Auschlander, but they're playing it all _serious!_ 😮 But it's _FUNNY!_ I want to _LAUGH AT IT!_ 😲 But I'm not getting any _LAUGH CUES!_ 😫 No sudden camera switch. No look of surprise from any of them! Not even a raised eyebrow! And now here's this tender, dramatic moment between the three doctors. Stories about fathers and sons. So as I'm listing to Dr. Westphall talking about his autistic son and his dream about what is going on inside Tommy's mind and I'm thinking "Oh that's so beautiful and amazing!" 😭 (and prophetic: I actually _did_ know how the series ended, btw.) But at the same time I'm also listening for a hook to some kind of joke because I'm still struggling with all this _unresolved funniness_ from _less than a minute ago!_ 😖 And then by the time I realize I need to get back in the "drama" frame of mind, suddenly here's _Cliff,_ being all _"Cliffy"_ 😮 Do I _laugh?_ Do I sit here and reflect introspectively on _deep existential thoughts?_ My brain _seriously_ does _not know what to _*_do_* with this! 😵 Because they're not giving me the _right commands_ that I've been learning my whole TV-watching life! And then it hit me: 😳 "Holy _shit!_ They've got me _trained_ like a _goddamn _*_monkey!"_* 🐒
"Today's women don't have any sense of gentility!" Hmm...shame Diane wasn't in this scene, to give the lie to that statement. It'd have been interesting to see her give one of her classic over-eloquent monologues to the doctors....
I grew up watching Cheers so Carla, Norm and Cliff are like dear old friends. However, seeing them through the eyes of more or less realistic outsiders was a real eye opener. It never occurred to me what pains in the asses lovable sitcom characters are outside of a sitcom context. Carla would have driven Sam's customer's away in five minutes and put him out of business in a real life setting.
@OP: Same. No Mandela Effect. It was just so bizarre that, as others have noted, it feels like we dreamed it(?)/blocked it. I believe in parallel universes, but, at least for me, (lifelong Kansan) I've missed plenty of sn finales [aired in May] due to Tornado Warnings. Also, this was back in the 80s: *literal "Must see TV".* Most of us didn't have VCRS that could *record* & reruns weren't really "a thing", yet. That's why "Dallas" got it's huge ratings with "WHO SHOT J.R.?".😉✌
Wait ... so Cheers takes place within the imagination of a kid staring into a Snowglobe? Wait ... so Fraiser takes place within the imagination of a kid starting into a Snowglobe?
Nope. Per the producers of St. elsewhere.... it was never specified if he fantasized the real world as a snow globe. It can go either way. So until confirmed it's a Bs..😂
@@danceswithcomics7127That doesn't make sense. Tommy actually thought of his whole life as not real. The fake life was his wished life at the end of the series...
Oh but it makes perfect sense to a Bostonian. The real pub Cheers is based on (the Bull & Finch) is at 84 Beacon Street in Boston. Those doctors could have easily worked at St. Elsewhere in Boston's South End (actually Boston City Hospital at the time) and then on the way home to their Beacon Hill/Back Bay townhouse homes they'd stop by Cheers.
Another Crossover was in the UK but it was a Comedy for Children In Need to raise Money during Xmas. Some Folks from The Soap Opera Coronation Street in Weatherfield go to visit Albert Square which is the name of the Town on Eastenders and they talk about themselves and their lives. I think that this was the First Show that dealt with the challenges of having a Child who is Autistic.
I watched both shows almost religiously back in the first run days and don’t recall seeing this. I was put off at first since my mindset initially went to it being an episode of “Cheers”. Glad to later figure out it was “St. Elsewhere”. However, I kept expecting the sudden comic relief for which the drama show was famous but it never came. Somewhat strange in that regard.
Dr. Craig and Carla the barmaid. These were two characters I couldn't help but develop a strong dislike for back when both shows were on prime time. Back in the 1980's, every person I met, or so it seemed, was like the two of them.
Westphal's announcement he was leaving the Hospital was poorly timed. Afterall, Daniel's wife was having heart surgery in the morning and Dr. Ego was going to be performing it. Those three gents played their roles on that show to the highest level of acting ever! Sad that Ed Flanders had to die by suicide. Norman Lloyd lived life to the fullest when he died May 21, 2021 at the age of 106. William Daniels is the only surviving cast from that inner circle. Time. Sucks.
As far as I know, Season 1 is the only St. Elsewhere season released on DVD. While I'd prefer to respect copyright rights, I'm proud to say, with extended middle finger, that I found a pirate set of the complete six-season series.
@DrClaw77 Cheers and St. E were both on NBC, set in Boston and I’m sure plenty of people watched them both. So they weren’t really competitors as much as they went together.
@@supa4ys843 We spent 6 years basically watching "E.R.", and then the camera panned to reveal that all of the intricate surgeries we watched, and adult dialogue exchanged was basically fiction, and you don't think that's bizarre? C'mon. Did you watch the SHOW or the *ending* on YT? Bc the clip on YT doesn't reveal how the show actually ended. While it's true that Autism was poorly depicted at the end, if Grey's Anatomy or E.R. ended by being set inside a *snowglobe* , ppl would be just as upset today as we were in '88. ~a gen-xer who watched it in real time✌
@@JLee-g6wsome people like it . I find it hard to believe that even an artistic person had all that dualogur for multiple characters going through his head abd with detailed sets. Lol
Try as I might, I could never stomach "Cheers". Other Boston themed shows like "St. Elsewhere", "Spencer", "Boston Legal" and "Crossing Jordan" were more my style.
Considering the end of St Elsewhere, does that mean Cheers was just a bar in an autistic childs mind? Hmm... I remember one episode of St. Elsewhere, William Daniel's character and his wife visit Philadelphia, and he actually sings a line or two from 1776, where he so memorably played John Adams. Got such a kick out of that... :-)
William daniels&ed flanders in the same show was a special trea at that time ,it couldn’t be done any later in time being over49years old got blacklisted mostly
I don't know if it would have been too much for this episode or not, or just an entire different episode altogether, but a cameo appearance from Robert Urich "Spencer For Hire" a Boston P.I. might could have been blended nicely in this segment, if not on Cheers but Spencer on St. Elsewhere
Ok, I thought the same thing at first but then it occurred to me that Tommy probably just daydreamed about his dad‘s imaginary universe colliding with that of a show he watched on television.
Seriously so this show was set in the same universe so that means Frasier and Mad About You and Friends and every TV show and movie that isn’t based off a true story is in the same kid’s head.
@@AChannel4455 Yes. Even the Disney Channel shows are set in that universe. Basically every movie and TV show that isn’t based off a true story is in the Tommy universe (biographical movies like Green Book and Oppenheimer aren’t in this same universe)
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What I find the weirdest about this is the comedy world of "Cheers" taking place without a studio audience.
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Larry David said studio audiences suck b/c the actors play to the live audience for easy laughs. You can see the effect in a show like Happy Days where the audience screams for each character who comes onto the set.
@@ForbinColossus Remember they said that about Kramer's entrances too - Kramer was becoming the Fonzie of the Seinfeld set - not his fault but the audience are so stoked and even encouraged to ramp it up.
@@gdparry2727 I think a key difference is that Sein was better written for Kramer. I never had the sense that Seinfeld unlike Happy Days was pushing a 'CHACHI' (horrible character introduced as Fonzi's cousin) or having Kramer water-ski over a shark!
Interesting seeing Cheers from the perspective of the customers.
Yes. And note the St. Elsewhere cameras filmed the Cheers set at angles never shown in the sitcom. This gives us (the audience) a more realistic view and feel of the bar.
@@MoniqueFromPlymouthunfortunately as norm walks I. We get a brief look at no fourth wall and stage cameras
st.elsewhere is the best show in the history of amercian television and this scene is mesmerizing and unforgettable because of the brilliant, subtle, and complex writing and acting. The fact that it does it with no action or plot, but just 3 old guys talking about life is simply amazing and wonderful.
absolutely agree, my favorite series and it never got the ratings it should have which I never understood. Is this an actual episode because I don't remember it?
@@billzitsch6995 yep, 3rd season.
This was just my thought! I have no idea of the context of any of what is being talked about but I couldn’t look away.
@@billzitsch6995Did you like how the show ended? Lots of people hated the series finale.
@@JLee-g6w It was an interesting choice but I didn't really like it. This autistic little kid imagined Mark Harmon getting aids, Christina Pickles getting raped, Howie Mandel having crazy sex with the one woman, it just didn't work. I actually recently just tried watching the first 2 seasons again and it wasn't anywhere near as good as I remembered
This was an interesting dynamic seeing Cheers done in a more serious light without any laughter in the background.
It was an episode of "St. Elsewhere." Sometime before, on an episode of "Cheers," a pregnant Carla went into labor and, as she was carried out, called out that she would be at St. Eligius.
I've never seen St Elsewhere and wouldn't be here but for Cheers, but after watching that, I might have to give it a watch one way or the other. What a fantastically written and acted scene!
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Omg watch!!!! St. elsewhere was amazing
St Elsewhere is an awesome show, give it a try......
If you still haven't watched it after 9 years, you should. It was as close to perfect as a TV show could get. It's my all time favorite.
One of the best written and acted series ever!!
You must have not seen the last episode.
This is why -- as a teen of the 80s -- NBC was a network without peer during my culturally formative years.
It accounts for why you're a poet and yet scarcely knew it !~! [rhymes -ish !!] ENJOY M8!!
WoW. That 12 minutes was like 10 hours of high quality acting. Nicely Done!
This was a great crossover. You get a sense how much of a slur St. Elsewhere is the way Carla announced it and the whole bar booed them like they did at Red Sox futility. But these doctors handled it with dignity. It's also a credit how good the Cheers cast was in that they were able to stay in their respective characters in a more serious context.
Yes,I guess,but it seems off for St.Elsewhere's serious drama within Cheer's zany universe.
@@moongypsyguerrero1925that's whats so cool about it
Three great pros.
Norman Lloyd, who got his start with Orson Welles.
William Daniels, who always brings a touch of class to whatever he appears in.
And sad, tragic Ed Flanders, who we lost too soon.
If you haven't had a chance to see St. Elsewhere, check it out.
Some of it may seem dated now, but the scene when Mr. Daniels reflects on the death of his son-breaking down at a desk in a recitation of "Sam I Am", and every quiet reflective moment between Lloyd and Flanders, are powerful, memorable moments, and a great example of the Actor's Craft.
Thank you, Gentlemen.
One of my favorite shows!
Absolutely top-notch, those three. And the series was amazing. It's the hospital/doctors standard that never earned the super ratings, but received high praise from critics. It was social commentary, darkly comic, intelligent, and emotional, and that's why it struggled in the ratings.
One of my favourite shows of all time.
All six seasons of St. Elsewhere are now available to watch on Hulu!!!
I was in high school when it was on. And I never missed a Wednesday night episode. To me it was so cathartic because there was always a scene that was so moving you’d sob. And what a cast. These veterans and then the beginning of the careers of Denzel Washington, Ed Begley jr, howie Mandel, David Morse, Etc.
This took place on St. Elsewhere, but unless the doctors took a cab, the most unrealistic part is that they found PARKING in Boston.😉😂💗
and that the characters of St. Elsewhere are a product of a young boy's mind.
@@jrfury2659 You’re triggering something in my memory. What are u talking about? Was that the ending of the series or something?
@@Ivy94F Yes the ending of St. Elsewhere shows that a boy with Autism and a snow globe of the Hospital created everything !
@@RP752000 omg, yes! That was it! I didn’t even remember that until your post because I wasn’t watching it at the time.
Mr. Feeney vs carla....my childhood in one scene
A real clash of personalities lol
Or KITT vs Carla
I disagree with those saying this crossover didn't work. St. Elsewhere was a very off kilter kind of show. It was like ER crossed with Arrested Development, with a little Hill Street Blues and Modern Family for good measure. It made perfect sense for the docs from St. E and the folks from Cheers to cross paths in this way.
Agreed. It was 'Pathos' inside the happy bar.
Very Cool! I thought I'd seen every episode of St. Elsewhere but this is a new one on me. Thanks for posting it.
two of my old favorite shows. GREAT
I've been looking to see this for years. I always thought I dreamed about hearing that this crossover ever happened!
This must have inspired Sam to become Dr John Becker.
I love Becker. One of the few TV shows I like.
that calibre of acting has become very rare
"It's probably from slinging back all those beers. No wonder the mail never gets delivered!" Ha! Great line from William Daniels..and Ed Flanders' soliloquy about his father is simplistic and heartrending. Wonderful series (except for the stupid, lame-ass final episode.)
I read that there was crossover between the two shows considering they both take place in the Boston area but never gotten to see this...until now!
Thanks for positng this awesome gem up!
Lol Mark Craig and Carla Tortelli trading insults couldn't ask for a better match.
Dr Craig barely insulted. Carla got the best of him.
the thing i like about this crossover was the fact that the cheers cast isnt a huge part of the episode its basically just a cameo appearance. No huge plot where norm would have a heart attack and have to be rushed to that hospital or something along those lines. they recognized that something like that wouldnt work because cheers was a sitcom and st elsewhere was a drama
This is so strange but cool! I'm a big fan of Cheers but I've never watched St. Elsewhere. But I love William Daniels. It's weird watching a scene in Cheers without the studio audience laughing! Such different camera angles for Cheers too since it was a sitcom.
This was a scene from "St. Elsewhere."
The unique setting of Cheers aside, is there a show around today that could pull this off? I mean do a 12-minute long scene consisting of basically nothing but a conversation between 3 people and keep it as interesting as this?
No way. Other shows that could do this quite well were Barney Miller, Homicide: Life on the street and Hill Street Blues, shows that valued character driven and dialouge driven scenes like this.
The Practice and Ally McBeal pulled it off
The re-boot of Hawaii Five 0 has camera shots that last either three, six, nine or twelve seconds. I tried to sit through one episode without getting motion sick... it didn't work.
This is one of the coolest things I’ve seen on TH-cam
"NOT filmed before a live studio audience!"
Brandon Tartikoff must've been on some special kind of grass at the time.
Grant Tinker was CEO of NBC at the time, and St. Elsewhere was co-created by his son Mark.
It's actually hilarious that Cliff tries to get free medical advice from some random doctors in the bar because he's a mailman.
Norman Lloyd, the actor playing the elderly doctor, will be 106 on November 8th.
He's dead now.
Enjoyed this a lot more all these years later. I was still an optimist in my 20s, wanted all the characters to be all pals! What was so jarring was the st. Elsewhere's handheld following NORM! into Cheers like he was entering the ER. But now, the way the Cheers characters feel without l"studio audience" is in itself funny.
Brilliant meshing of two great shows
I had completely forgotten about this and I loved St.Elsewhere.
- Who recommended this establishment?
- I overheard Ehrlich talk about it.
lol.
Even weirder is that Norman Lloyd guest starred in an episode of “Wings” which exists in the same universe as “Cheers”
and you can see why Danson and Mandel worked together in 1986's A Fine Mess both of them were NBC stars at the time
Hey, even if St. Elsewhere WERE Tommy's dream, it's possible he remembered watching Cheers, and just imagined this scene. It's a lot like how many kids fantasize about being in their favorite shows. Only...different.
I think also the kid ate paint chips, which contributed to the crossover.
Every movie and TV show that isn’t based off a true story is all in one kid’s head.
You can hear KITT from Knight Rider in William Daniels.
I watched this part several times by now but could never completed the whole thing. That is why I was surprised to hear what Donald talked about the dream of Tommy. I think it was planting the seeds for the snowball finale.
Probably not. The snow ball scene was conceived at the end because the writers wanted the show dead. Probably were angry it was being canceled.
I do remember a scene with Tommy not autistic, and Donald reacting with delight, then Tommy saying something like, "Come on, Dad, you know I'll never be all right," then Donald waking up. That may have been the dream he referenced here.
I keep waiting for the laugh track, then I remember it's not "really" Cheers.
Not a laugh track. Live studio audience for Cheers. Not so for St. Elsewhere.
LIVE AUDIENCE not laugh track lol.
@@JohnTheBear1961 CHEERS did not have a live audience.
OMFG! I was a big fan of _Cheers!_ back in the 80s but _St. Elsewhere_ was not a show that I ever watched back then or even knew much about so I never saw this before! I only just learned about it a little while ago while reading about something else so I decided to look for it here, and this is _such a total BRAIN FUCK!_
It _seriously_ feels like I'm tripping on some powerful hallucinogen!
*Sequence of My Thoughts While Watching This:*
Jesus! I'm seeing the set of _Cheers!_ 😮
But it's the doctors from _St. Elsewhere!_
And they're engaging in _serious dialog!_
But we're in _Cheers!_ 😮
And now here's _Carla,_ being all sarcastic and hostile, like always!
And of course, that's _FUNNY!_ 😄
But _NOBODY'S LAUGHING!_ There's _no live audience!_ Not even a _laugh track!_ 😮
So she turns around. Okay! I know how this works! Now once her back is turned one of them will deliver some witty, wry observation about what just happened and we'll all laugh! 😄
[pause]
WTF? Where was the _comeback?_ They're just going on as if that funny, weird exchange _never happened!_ 😮
And now here's _Norm!_
*Norm:* "Evenin', everybody!"
*Everybody:* _"NORM!"_
Okay! Now we're talkin'! Suddenly, for just a second, the world makes sense to me again! I know where I am now! 😄
Now the camera will pan across the set, tracking him as he walks to his stool.
Wait! The camera is _walking in front_ of him! _WHAT the HELL?_ 😮
And now _Norm_ is saying funny stuff! And it turns out there's a funny backstory between him and Dr. Auschlander, but they're playing it all _serious!_ 😮
But it's _FUNNY!_ I want to _LAUGH AT IT!_ 😲
But I'm not getting any _LAUGH CUES!_ 😫
No sudden camera switch. No look of surprise from any of them! Not even a raised eyebrow!
And now here's this tender, dramatic moment between the three doctors.
Stories about fathers and sons.
So as I'm listing to Dr. Westphall talking about his autistic son and his dream about what is going on inside Tommy's mind and I'm thinking "Oh that's so beautiful and amazing!" 😭
(and prophetic: I actually _did_ know how the series ended, btw.)
But at the same time I'm also listening for a hook to some kind of joke because I'm still struggling with all this _unresolved funniness_ from _less than a minute ago!_ 😖
And then by the time I realize I need to get back in the "drama" frame of mind, suddenly here's _Cliff,_ being all _"Cliffy"_ 😮
Do I _laugh?_ Do I sit here and reflect introspectively on _deep existential thoughts?_
My brain _seriously_ does _not know what to _*_do_* with this! 😵
Because they're not giving me the _right commands_ that I've been learning my whole TV-watching life!
And then it hit me: 😳
"Holy _shit!_ They've got me _trained_ like a _goddamn _*_monkey!"_* 🐒
Well said! (I heard the Twilight Zone music in my head).......lol
It feels jarring to have Cheers used as a serious setting
"Today's women don't have any sense of gentility!"
Hmm...shame Diane wasn't in this scene, to give the lie to that statement. It'd have been interesting to see her give one of her classic over-eloquent monologues to the doctors....
And then Dr. Mark Craig would leave her speechless with one of his brutally witty barbs lol.
I grew up watching Cheers so Carla, Norm and Cliff are like dear old friends. However, seeing them through the eyes of more or less realistic outsiders was a real eye opener. It never occurred to me what pains in the asses lovable sitcom characters are outside of a sitcom context. Carla would have driven Sam's customer's away in five minutes and put him out of business in a real life setting.
That's pretty much the whole premise of Kevin Can F**ck Himself, and I think they pulled it off quite successfully.
On Cheers, those were regulars, or people who knew the bar's reputation.
I'd trust the doctors from St. Eligius.
Why don't I remember this? I was a regular viewer of both shows.
Mandela effect
@OP: Same. No Mandela Effect. It was just so bizarre that, as others have noted, it feels like we dreamed it(?)/blocked it. I believe in parallel universes, but, at least for me, (lifelong Kansan) I've missed plenty of sn finales [aired in May] due to Tornado Warnings. Also, this was back in the 80s: *literal "Must see TV".* Most of us didn't have VCRS that could *record* & reruns weren't really "a thing", yet. That's why "Dallas" got it's huge ratings with "WHO SHOT J.R.?".😉✌
Awesome. Cliff's scene was hilarious.
yes C
liff was amusing
7:48 set lights plainly visible behind Cliff. Also 3:42 when Norm walks in.
Wait ... so Cheers takes place within the imagination of a kid staring into a Snowglobe?
Wait ... so Fraiser takes place within the imagination of a kid starting into a Snowglobe?
Cheers also crossed over with Wings
***** That made a little bit more sense, as both were comedies.
Don't forget "The Tortellis" from '87.
We all WANT to forget the Tortellis --- No offense to Mr. Butabi.
WHO!!~!? does that come with rice and red beans !!?
I liked both shows back in the day, but apparently not together.
This was the crossover that we didn't think we needed. And we were right.
@@Steve-gc5nt 😂
Whenever I hear Dr. Craig it reminds me of KITT.
When "Dr. Craig" is at center stage, a "medical Gen. George S. Patton Jr." is ready to pounce!
@ OP:
Ohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!😮
It took me a coupla comments to make the connection, but I got it now! I knew he sounded familiar!!
@@Otokichi786 That's John Adams!
Cheers, St Elsewhere and Frasier and everyone connected to them are the imagination of Tommy Westphall.
Not really. Tommy could have imagined his St Elsewhere characters were at Cheers after he saw a episode of cheers.
What about Wings?
Nope. Per the producers of St. elsewhere.... it was never specified if he fantasized the real world as a snow globe. It can go either way. So until confirmed it's a Bs..😂
@@danceswithcomics7127That doesn't make sense. Tommy actually thought of his whole life as not real. The fake life was his wished life at the end of the series...
If it won't break your brain there's also an episode of Cheers where they watch St. Elsewhere on TV
I don't remember that episode..
This is a trip! Thank you 😊 💓
I swear that I just heard Rod Serling's voice saying "Submitted for your approval"..... 😯
Oh but it makes perfect sense to a Bostonian. The real pub Cheers is based on (the Bull & Finch) is at 84 Beacon Street in Boston. Those doctors could have easily worked at St. Elsewhere in Boston's South End (actually Boston City Hospital at the time) and then on the way home to their Beacon Hill/Back Bay townhouse homes they'd stop by Cheers.
Another Crossover was in the UK but it was a Comedy for Children In Need to raise Money during Xmas. Some Folks from The Soap Opera Coronation Street in Weatherfield go to visit Albert Square which is the name of the Town on Eastenders and they talk about themselves and their lives. I think that this was the First Show that dealt with the challenges of having a Child who is Autistic.
I watched both shows almost religiously back in the first run days and don’t recall seeing this. I was put off at first since my mindset initially went to it being an episode of “Cheers”. Glad to later figure out it was “St. Elsewhere”. However, I kept expecting the sudden comic relief for which the drama show was famous but it never came. Somewhat strange in that regard.
Don't forget "Wings"
Definite connection there as well, with Cliff, Norm, Frasier, Lilith, and Rebecca all showing up on that semi-spinoff of Cheers.
Mortician's Delight? St. Eligius is Cool!!
This is the first time I seen this. A mix of drama and comedy in this scene...
When you take Carla, Norm and Cliff and put them in the real world you realize they really were not good people at all!
Dr. Craig and Carla the barmaid. These were two characters I couldn't help but develop a strong dislike for back when both shows were on prime time. Back in the 1980's, every person I met, or so it seemed, was like the two of them.
Feeney is in Cheers!!!
John Adams is in Cheers, too!
He looks pretty much the same here as he did in Boy Meets World!
Kitt is going to enter the bar in any moment...any moment now!!
I watched the whole series but don't remember this crossover.
Mr. FEEENNNYY!!!!!
TheKarstonian KITT!
TheKarstonian Fee Hee Hee Hee Heeny
John Laurroquttes dad in Blind Date
No. KITT.
Ben Braddock's dad in The Graduate.
Where nobody knew their names
Lol
Francis1971: There's a reason why William Daniels reminds you of KITT. Daniels did the voice of KITT.
Full House meets NYPD Blue.
Cliff, Carla and Norm aren't so funny without their laugh-track.
compazine yes they are.
Tommy Westphall's snowglobe feverdream.
st. elsewhere...no laughtrack. different photography routines.
- "I've got a pain in my arm."
- "Probably from slinging those mugs of beer all day long, No wonder the mail gets delivered!"
XD
This is so DISTURBING for so many different reasons !
Westphal's announcement he was leaving the Hospital was poorly timed. Afterall, Daniel's wife was having heart surgery in the morning and Dr. Ego was going to be performing it. Those three gents played their roles on that show to the highest level of acting ever! Sad that Ed Flanders had to die by suicide. Norman Lloyd lived life to the fullest when he died May 21, 2021 at the age of 106. William Daniels is the only surviving cast from that inner circle. Time. Sucks.
You can see the TV studio lights above the bar.
Very Good episode and scene
I've always said I'd prefer no laugh-track but then here it is a Cheers scene with none and it's so freaking weird!!!
thx for posting. Ive been looking for this clip!
As far as I know, Season 1 is the only St. Elsewhere season released on DVD. While I'd prefer to respect copyright rights, I'm proud to say, with extended middle finger, that I found a pirate set of the complete six-season series.
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This scene would be hilarious if it was part of a Cheers episode.
Context is so more important in comedy
This is phenomenal
"Cheers", "The Tortellis", "Wings", "Fraiser": *ALL* inside the mind of Tommy Westphall!
No. The more reasonable theory is....that Tommy was living a fantasy inside his head with Aushlander as his grandpa etc....
1:23 Mr Feeny meets Mrs Wormwood. Poor Feeny needed that drink😂
I'm shocked Poopamount even signed off on this, with St. Elsewhere being produced by a competing studio.
@DrClaw77 Cheers and St. E were both on NBC, set in Boston and I’m sure plenty of people watched them both. So they weren’t really competitors as much as they went together.
@@Nineteen80s29 they aired on the same night I believe Thursday
How can you call it a bizarre crossover when St Elsewhere had *that* ending?
Wasn't bizarre at the time because autism was just discovered
@@supa4ys843 We spent 6 years basically watching "E.R.", and then the camera panned to reveal that all of the intricate surgeries we watched, and adult dialogue exchanged was basically fiction, and you don't think that's bizarre? C'mon. Did you watch the SHOW or the *ending* on YT? Bc the clip on YT doesn't reveal how the show actually ended. While it's true that Autism was poorly depicted at the end, if Grey's Anatomy or E.R. ended by being set inside a *snowglobe* , ppl would be just as upset today as we were in '88.
~a gen-xer who watched it in real time✌
@@alysiamerdavid-wasser9165That series finale was so controversial and it’s considered one of the worst series finales in TV history.
@@JLee-g6wsome people like it . I find it hard to believe that even an artistic person had all that dualogur for multiple characters going through his head abd with detailed sets. Lol
Try as I might, I could never stomach "Cheers". Other Boston themed shows like "St. Elsewhere", "Spencer", "Boston Legal" and "Crossing Jordan" were more my style.
I like how they kept screwing up and showing the set and set lights.
Sooooo does this mean Cheers is in the same snow globe too? lol
Yes, so is Homicide Life in the Streets, and all of the Law and Orders
Considering the end of St Elsewhere, does that mean Cheers was just a bar in an autistic childs mind? Hmm...
I remember one episode of St. Elsewhere, William Daniel's character and his wife visit Philadelphia, and he actually sings a line or two from 1776, where he so memorably played John Adams. Got such a kick out of that... :-)
NO, BUT NOWADAYS THEY WOULD SAY THE MAILMAN WAS AUTISTIC
William daniels&ed flanders in the same show was a special trea at that time ,it couldn’t be done any later in time being over49years old got blacklisted mostly
Norman Lloyd just died at the age of 109 years.
He was 106
this is fucking masterclass. Am i watching cheers or am I watching St. Elsewhere
Yes
I don't know if it would have been too much for this episode or not, or just an entire different episode altogether, but a cameo appearance from Robert Urich "Spencer For Hire" a Boston P.I. might could have been blended nicely in this segment, if not on Cheers but Spencer on St. Elsewhere
And I thought crossovers couldn't get anymore awkward or stranger than Kermit and Peewee Herman talking about crack being whack.
tommy, you crazy kid.
So this means the universes of Cheers and Frasier also exist only in the mind of Westphall's kid. :)
Ok, I thought the same thing at first but then it occurred to me that Tommy probably just daydreamed about his dad‘s imaginary universe colliding with that of a show he watched on television.
@@AChannel4455Was it confirmed the dad watched these TV shows?
In the second season of Cheers (before this crossover) when Carla goes into labor, she actually mentions she'll be at St. Eligius hospital.
Seriously so this show was set in the same universe so that means Frasier and Mad About You and Friends and every TV show and movie that isn’t based off a true story is in the same kid’s head.
@@AChannel4455 Yes. Even the Disney Channel shows are set in that universe. Basically every movie and TV show that isn’t based off a true story is in the Tommy universe (biographical movies like Green Book and Oppenheimer aren’t in this same universe)
@@JLee-g6wAlso Wings and The Tortellis.
"Stiff her, but good."😆
Tommy Westphal is being mentioned here by,I think his father.
The most Cheers thing of all would be for Carla to cover their check for getting rid of Cliff.
This was during the early seasons of Cheers before Carla developed her contempt for Cliff.