Testing Cheapest Hand Plane on Amazon - Stanley No. 4 Clone
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If you can hold a sharp blade over a flat surface you have a plane.
Hey Wranglerstar have you heard of JK boots before as a fire boot, supposed to be similar to Nick's and Whites? I started getting adds from them and they've got some weird marketing especially on their $950 "the north" boots, they're supposed to be a full custom version of their normal boots with full expedited services, 1 "free" resole, and a can of obenauf's but I crunched the numbers and for a basic fire boot it comes up to $100 less than the North's to just do a custom build. Might be a cool video to do if they are making boots as good or better than Nick's or a really helpful video if they're ripping off guys in the wildland fire and timber industry with their advertising.
Mine arrived today. Xmas gift to myself.
Here is a followup video. HF has a #4 hand plane WITH a smaller one for 14.99...before coupon. Give it a review
I recently got a real old no 4 from a local pawn shop for about $7 in USD. Took a bit of polishing to get back its lustre, but now getting used almost on the daily.
Your right, there are quiet a few originals out there, and they are cheap when you find them.
Well keep it it being an original they will be rare someday
@@aideningram434 I doubt the kids will be into woodworking still. I had woodwork as a school subject from grade 6 to grade 12, so at least I know my way around tools. We live next to the same school and my daughter attends.. they don't even offer it as a subject anymore
Mostly weed oh well it’s sad that it’s like that at least we grew up right have a good day brother
@@aideningram434 they offered a shop class at my high school (class of '03) but I was even more stubborn and hard headed back then so I dropped out in 10th grade. I never one time took a single shop class. In fact I never had any interest in woodworking or anything growing up. It wasn't until I came back from the Bahamas after falling out with my brother that I asked a friend of mine who have been doing construction on remodels for 4 or 5 years to give me a job because I didn't have any means to make money that I started learning a skilled trade. Even then I didn't really have any interest into actual wood working. It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I really started learning to appreciate high levels of craftsmanship and details into building things with wood. In fact I finally managed to talk my mother into giving me my father's old vintage #5 Stanley Jack plane. And within the last year I have decided to try my hand and building custom-made wooden furniture and start a business with it. Now granted I haven't built a piece of furniture for anyone in quite some time it hasn't changed my insane love for working with wood and trying to get my name and business out there. In fact if anything it's actually push me into getting my craftsmanship level even higher so that it would be almost impossible to not take notice of the things that I build. Just because I shot classes offered or not offered or mandatory or not mandatory does it really mean all that much. Now what I have benefited from taking that class probably depending on how good the teacher was but given how I was back then I probably wouldn't have paid too much attention anyways. I just happen to get lucky with the DNA Lotto and happened to be born with a very high intellect but it wasn't until about the age of 25 or so that I really really started to appreciate learning even if it's self education. I can see what you mean though when you say praise the right I think that they should offer extra regular courses like that and they should be mandatory throughout high School only if to help teach a kid more about themselves as far as what they enjoy doing or what they possibly have interest in doing or even what they might have untapped talent into doing that they were not aware of. I am the last male Ingram of my family my daughter makes the very last Ingram in my lineage unless something else or to change and I am trying hard to get my daughter into a skilled trade early on but I actually have been trying to expose her to just about everything I can because I want her to do something she enjoys not something that could be expected I'm not one of those heirloom business type folks just because I did something in my grandfather did something etc doesn't mean that I'm going to force it on my child ever. Just like my grandfather taught me a long time ago do something that you love everyday you'll never work today in your life.
All of my grandfather's stanley planes were sold at a yardsale when I was a kid. I hate to think of it.
the people who inherited them are most likely pencilpushers
I finally talked my mom into giving me my father's #5 Stanley Jack Plane last year. It is sat in her utility room my entire life. Hell even when I told him about it he was shocked that it was even still around. He was not a carpenter but I guess seeing is how they built a few of their own houses forever ago it makes sense that he had one. I had never used one before but after getting it and trying to fix it up and learning about it it's one of the reasons why my company name is what it is. Planes, Stains and Polyurethanes is what I decided on naming my start up. Eventually should it become successful enough I'll split it up and do painting as a separate business. Living in the bible belt in south ga I've come up with the name holy rollers and brushes commercial and residential painting for when that day comes. Both of them seem like very catchy names for companies. I can thank John Candy and Steve Martin from custom furniture business' name though.
i never would've thought i'd see the amazon basics logo on a hand plane
As much as we all love Amazon (I live way out in the boonies, 2-day shipping), they've been using their 3rd party seller data to build their own products, and take over product segments for years. It only recently came out in the news. So, if you're selling on AMZN, watch out, and good luck!
@@cypsrp7924isn’t this what Walmart does too? You make a widget, they sell more than you can produce, they buy it from you and take over production, ending your business… yah?
I love these budget wood working tool videos. It really has inspired me to build up my tool kit and get started. Would it be too much trouble to ask you to put together a playlist of the Poor Man's Wood Working Kit? I'm trying to hunt all of the videos down and make my own, but I think it would help other save some time in the future. Thanks for making these videos!
I got my cheap hand planes from Harbor Freight. I paid 27 dollars total... got three planes. One is a mini box plane, worked well out of the box after a good quality sharpening. The one packaged with it was a knockoff of the Stanley #4, and set up pretty well also, just needing sharpening. This was a twin pack for about 12 dollars.
Their single boxed plane (the expensive one at 15 dollars) was a messed up item, the plane iron was molded skewed, it would never cut straight. I took it back to replace it. It's the one they offer with the wood handles. The replacement was finely sanded and refinished to my liking, and the blade sharpened.
I use all three and am quite happy with them, but of course I know how to take proper care and maintainence of my tools. :)
I love how you explain things. You explain it like you would explain something to a son.
I have a small plane I got from home depot 20 years ago. I have a project to use it one and I never had sett it up originally. Thanks for the instructions as I never gave it a thought back then that it didn't come that way. I can still learn in my 50's LOL!
Amazons business model is to track what's selling among the third party sellers, anything above a threshold, they will attempt to source it direct from manufacturers, anything that they can rebrand I believe gets rebranded. Then they price it lower than all equivalent items while still making more margin and typically outsell the original
One of my favorite things about your channel is that I live in Washington (Seattle area) and whenever I get bad weather you get it too! It’s a fun thing to think about..
You need to make a video about the european/German wooden planes. They are cheaper and have a really good blade (?) most of the time. They are also far easier to flatten and you can push them with both hands.
Thank you so much for posting this! I never realized you could test brass by using a magnet! i always learn something new from you on every video you post.
This was the first plane I ever bought, took forever to get it set up correctly. Nothing was flat. The blade was not perfectly square, kept having the sides touch before the center. After a few days of work, was able to get it working. To me this makes a good training plane, to learn how to tune up a plane since it requires so much work. Overall, I would rather take the time required to set it another plane, and work odd jobs to make money to buy the better plane.
You should do a tour of the workshop and talk about how you made the shelves and benches
hes done a whole series of videos making the bench, the shelves and the entire workshop renovation
I enjoy almost all the videos you do, but your wood shop ones are my favorite!
Merry Christmas.
Thanks for the glass tip! And for always sharing your knowledge. Try out the Amazon basics snip set.
If I’m the guy on a budget and getting started, my impression is I need a fair bit of kit to go along with my reasonable priced amazon tool. How much would the restoration and daily maintenance cost to keep my wanna be Stanley going?
Thanks, as always, for a fun video that I can share with the kids. God bless.
In regards to the comment you made about flattening the back if you buy lie Nielsen or Veritas chisels or hand planes and you have to flatten the back send it back to them they will send you a nother one that they guarantee them to be perfectly flat enjoy the video great budget tool for someone
Maybe I missed it. Did you see if parts were interchangeable between the AmazonBasics Plane and The Stanley No 4? Specifically, could you use the Stanley chip breaker to replace the bent steel from Amazon?
Got my first gransfors bruks for Christmas today!! Got the Scandinavian Forest Axe and love it!!
As a wood hacker, and I think there's more of us than wood workers, getting the iron sharp will take you a long way. I have a Horrible Fright plane that I sharpened the iron on, following Cody's recommendations on how to sharpen. If you do "rustic" or "farmhouse" type stuff, that'll take you a long way. This Amazon plane is probably way better than the one I have.
Hi Cody, a good honest review, but, at the end of the day, "you get what you pay for". Non-flat soles are to be expected, especially at this price point, precision cast iron requires "seasoning" before machining. It's also important for the sides to be square if you expect to shoot with it (oops, that'll get the comment banned). The chip breaker needs to be flattened at a slight angle, so that when it's clamped up, only the tip contacts the blade. Have a look at the David Charlesworth "ruler trick" when it comes to the back of the blade.
The Grizzly #5 14 inch plane is $39 and is surprisingly good. I have a collection of old Stanleys that I've restored, and i have no problem reaching for the Grizzly
please do a vid on adjusting the plane's blade
I was wondering if Cody adds a drop of Loctite in the Xmas lights sockets... 🤔
Keep up your excellent work!
I actually like the thumb screw.
If you want to know what a "Chineseian" smell is, it's cigarette smoke mixed with packing supplies (paper, card board etc...)
That's almost exactly the same pattern as what Buck Bros is selling now, I got one for Christmas a couple years back
Thank you, this video helped me with some questions. Goodluck.
I’m kinda curious about your thoughts on my go to edc knives. If I can send them would you like to test them?
It would have been interesting if you tried swapping the plane iron with one of your #4's to see if a plane iron upgrade will fit. If that's the case then I don't see much difference between this, getting an expensive reproduction and getting an original, for most people a plane iron upgrade will make a bigger difference in performance than what you started with or anything else you do to it besides getting it properly set up. You'll likely end up paying the most for the original and putting the most work in, and it will be worth more in the end, but I'm not sure it will be better from a use perspective. All my originals have the slop you complained about in this one.
Honestly, I don't like the Stanley pattern planes, the handgrips are smaller than my hands, so after a few minutes my pinky and pointer fingers, wedged between the flared base of the back handle and the iron angle adjuster is just sore. I've tried re-shaping the handles a little bit but there isn't really room to fix them.
I like you have one high-end plane that was given me as a gift and I much prefer it to the rest.
Just wanted to ask you on the most recent video... Completely off topic here. But anyway, when you go do those meet and greet things, how often, if ever, do you bring the heart racer?? I'd love to meet her too!
Enorme diferencia uno de otro la herramienta de antes lo mejor
16:20 Aaaahhh! you teaser you.
I bought one from harbor freight, all the blades looked like they were smacked in its sharp edge agaisnt metal. so i am now in the process of fixing that....it was 12 dollars though...
It seems all plains take a lot of work to have them work correctly
Its not as easy being a real tool. A tool like me on TH-cam is way easier.
Thank you for the video Sir.
Hell of a good review.
Merry Christmas Cody, when are we going to see a video about your Rolex? Im sure quite a few people have noticed it and are curious
I did a video for members,
@@wranglerstar Oh ok i see, Thanks for the quick response!
amazon basic all day. love there 0w20 oil too.
Looks a lot like the great neck plane also available on Amazon. It was my first plane and has now been converted into a scrub plane. Workable for the time until I could afford a better one.
Quality work!
Waiting for the AmazonBasic chainsaw!
Great video Cody
I have been using the woodriver planes for a while now. Can't say anything bad about them.
For a beginner this planer might get the small job done ✅👍
custom carpenter's pencil.... very nifty.... those for sale?
Just pointing out that you spelled your playlist hot to charge a car battery
Question I was going to get one before this video what grit sand paper
Abraham Lincoln said that if someone told him he had 6 hours to cut a tree he would use 5 of those hours to sharpen his axe
A great tool is a gift from God
What is the major difference between different planes? Is it just the amount of wood that it is able to take off in a single pass?
Im generalizing here but larger planes like a #7 are more suited for large surfaces like a benchtop. Since they are longer they will not dip into low spots like a smaller plane. They are however heavy and not well suited for small pieces. A #4 is a good all around size for most work. Smaller block planes are great for detail work like chamfering an edge or planing endgrain.
@@jiggity9572 Thanks for the explanation. I don't have a lot of experience using planes yet.
Great content cody merry christmas
Instead of tempered glass, can one use a spare tile?
I think they are flat
I've stuck sandpaper to tiles with success
Strip it down toss out in snow all winter rust and all.
Dang man you should have seen how it performed before you sharpened it and improved it
If you are looking for quality but are feeling thrifty: get yourself one of these and pickup a veritas made replacement blade for it.
www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/hand-tools/planes/maintenance-and-accessories/66868-stanley-record-cap-irons-made-by-veritas
link for this one?!
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I thought he was going to test it . Or re machining it was part of the test ?
When you ran the sole over the sandpaper I thought you were supposed to do that with the blade assembly installed and retracted since the plane can flex slightly from being under the stress of the blade, chip breaker etc.?
Cody isn’t always a hundred percent on things like that.
It really depends on the person doing the repair refurbish or restoration. I've watched several different people that are very respected and well known in the woodworking or TH-cam areas. I've watched Paul Sellers a master craftsman and woodworker, Cody here on TH-cam and a few others. Some of them make sure that they either pull the blade back far enough in too the plane or remove the blade but keep the frog securely attached to the bottom of the plane, and then other craftsman restoring or refurbishing a plane completely remove the blade and frog then begin flattening the plane. So it definitely depends on the person and craftsman refurbishing the plane and possibly how much flattening is needed.
Also, a blade upgrade will make this plane a great performer on a budget.
By the time you buy a quality blade from Hock or IBC (about 40 bucks) and pay 30 bucks for this boat anchor then you are out 70 bucks. For that price you can buy one or two vintage Stanley, Sargent, Millers Falls, or Record planes that will perform a hell of a lot better than this junk. This isn't a budget plane, its a complete time waster.
@@thathandtoolguy not everyone has access to good quality dirt cheap tools
Hi Cody! I don’t leave many comments. This might actually be my first on TH-cam... but it’s about time I let you know how grateful I am you do what you do. I’m sure I’ve watched hundreds of hours by now and somehow each episode is timely, educational, the perfect refresher, or makes me sit alone in the dark to rethink a thing or two. Often it’s all of the above... Your humble delivery is accessible, encouraging, and quite refreshing.
Funny story... today I was literally standing in the hardware store looking at hand planers. While scratching my head, it occurred to me you probably had a video on planers. Out came the computer in my pocket and I watched this one in the isle by the hickory axe handles. Talk about timing.
I’m sure I’m not alone in feeling like we are old friends. Maybe I’ll drop in one day. In the mean time, I hope you and the family have a Merry Christmas. Stay warm and feel the love.
I think this guy is my favorite TH-camr
He’s mine 😀
you should have tried it out of the box.
the average joe won't do most of what was done.
Then the average joe shouldn't be doing wood working. These are the steps that you have to take on any new plane to one degree or another. Though I would buy a new plane iron and chip breaker, for this plane before doing anything else with it. Probably a hock or lie nielson
I agree with rob. I would have liked to see what it did right out of the box before sharing just to see how bad it was. But good video anyhow like always
@@Deactivated1122 good for you, your that 1 out of 100,000 with a very special circumstance. I'm glad you were able to fix your problem and secure your family. Everyone else needs to tune up their plane before working with it. It's not that complicated or difficult and it makes a crappy tool into a useable tool. You can get granite countertop cutouts from manufacturers for free and good sanding paper is pretty cheap. Unless you are paying 350+ for a number 4, you definitely need to check the flat of your sole and the bevel/sharpness of your blade.
@@Deactivated1122 lol. Caulk and wood putty make me the carpenter I brag to be 🤣
I actually got one not long after they put it on the site as a learner. I tried it out without any flattening and some sharpening and, at least the one I got, did pretty well despite me being an absolute learner. After, I borrowed the blade out of a friend's actual Stanley no. 4 and I got it to do some whispy, if a bit ragged tufts of wood out of a random piece of softwood (some kind of redwood?).
I think the first to do, when I'm able to and after flattening the bottom, is replace the blade with something else, like those Hock blades.
All in all, I think it's alright, though when I took the frog off, one of the contact spots of the base (it had like 4 little rear subs for the frog to connect to) was still covered in japanning as opposed to seemingly machined flat. And the face of the frog had reeeally obvious marks from the milling. Like mountain range kind of rough.
Also learned that I really prefer levercaps I stead of the screwcap.
A week later, I found a corrugated sole smoother at an estate sale (3 bucks!) that cleaned up nicely after a day in rust remover and scrubbing with a detail brush. After like a month and a half of searching. Old vintage planes are seemingly rare where I am unless you want to pay highway robbery for one in an antique store.
Haven’t seen this shop for some time...
I bought a number 4 original at a yard sale for a 1 doller and all the parts were there to
Nice find.
I would have loved to see you take it right out of box and try to use it. Most guys today, and especially guys who are buying a $29 plane, have no idea how, or even that they need to, do everything you just did. It would also so how much of a difference doing everything you just did actually makes.
Thanks for being open-minded about cheap products and for an honest, fair review. All things considered, the value is in preparing the tool so it can do what it is meant to do. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's bad. Having the best quality product means you paid someone to do the prep work for you. And the bragging right! LOL.
Has anyone heard of JK boots? They appear to be of similar price point and hopefully similar quality to Whites and Nick's boots but they've got one boot in particular that intrigues me, "The North" a $950 fully customizable version that comes with all expedited services, 1 "free" resole in the purchase price, and a thing of obenaufs. Does anyone think this is actually a good deal? I crunched the numbers and their custom built black 10" fire spec boots, plus a resole and all expedited services still add up to $100 less than "the North"and I've never seen a $100 can of obenauf's.
Lately have been binging alot of your videos and you have rekindled my love for making things and really loving and taking care of your tools. Merry Christmas to you and your family from Australia
That’s looks wonderful compared to the $13 paper weight I bought at harbor freight.
The Amazon basic is something for the guy who doesn't have a lot to spend and likes the look of the expensive style plane .
The modern man made handles trade Stanley plane no4 is probably only few amount of dollars more , but would be a lot better option than the Amazon basic.
I have a very old wood tool box that my granny gave me it was her grandpa's tools so my great great grandfather I believe it would be, but there are some very cool old tools in it. Nobody has used anything in it since the 40s she said. There's mostly different size hand drills with 60 or 70 different size drill bits then an old plane a few small saws and other miscellaneous. Its really neat. I'm a automotive technician so I'm very familiar with tools but nothing like these old tools and I'm terrible at wood working. I am good at metal working and fabrication. I've been getting into wood working a little bit lately I made my first axe handle the other day and now I'm trying to make a wooden spoon haha.
I bought a $30 hand plane from the hardware store because I needed to make a fence. It was cheaper to buy the tools and make the fence palings out of limbs and stuff than to buy the already machined timber so at the time it made sense. I swear the amount of time it took to make it work was ridicululous, but the woods here are Australian hardwoods that take forever to whittle down. Watching this, I realise that I still have a lot to learn about the plane and a lot more to do to make it even better. It's a satisfying tool to use so it'll be worth it!
One year later and I'm happy to say that my plane is shaving fibres like the big boys.
@Wranglerstar there is a technique called lapping where when your sanding the bottom of the plane flat if you sand in a figure 8 it helps prevent waves in it.
You are technically supposed to flatten the sole of a plane with the iron installed, but above the throat....it affects the shape of the sole when there is tension on the frog.....
Nahhh...
Well thats sone useful information right there. Thanks man
PSA: dont forget a dust mask or respirator when lapping the bottom of the plane
Been loving the passive protests in the videos Cody.
This was my first handplane, for smoothing the blade upgrade is a must but remember to save the chip breaker as the upgrade chip breaker may not fit. The surface of the mating surface will be painted but is machined nicely, to reveal this use a old brass cartridge to scrape the paint away only on the small mating surface. The buck bros jack plane blade is excellent for using as a true jack plane by grinding a 8-10inch camber, this should only need sharpening a few times a year. Cheers and take care folks.
Incoming price hike thanks to a TH-cam review, lol. :(
Such a sweet cottage core video compared to these days
Always the best reviews!! Merry Christmas!!!!
Just a notes, I know a lot of woodworkers will avoid silicone because it can cause problems with finish later.
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Thank you for taking the time to educate on keeping and using old school tools. I've been woodworking for almost 30 years and I learn something every time I watch your videos.
I remember my grandpa plane a door when I was a kid it’s a lost art. Merry Christmas to you and family.
Save your money for a month and get a better one than the cheapo Amazon. The adjustment screw alone is a reason to go with a quality plane.
Merry Christmas to Cody, Mrs. W, Jack, Sweet Loaf and of course Heartracer.
it would have been a great lesson to see the performance before and after your modifications. A little experiment that can demonstrate the value of the additional steps you did.
If, and when, you get around to flattening the sole, you really should fully assemble the plane with all fastenings - frog screws, cap iron and chipbreaker -properly tightened,, That way, it will be flattened to the same level as when you have it assembled and in use. The only difference is that you (obviously) don't want to extend the iron below the surface of the sole.
Theres no excuse for buying a new plane unless it's a Lie Neilson or Veritas. The original Stanley's are cheap as chips and bread and butter when it comes to woodworking.
Just bought an original new in box Stanley 4 from 76-78 maybe haven’t been able to determine date yet no manual just box and plane paid 108 USD it’s a type 12 says 1919-1924 if I’m reading it right 12-004 and it’s a Stanley number 4 so maybe 12 is the type?
Thanks for your videos. I will say I think part of the problem I see with using old tools... or tools at all is the fact there are less people using them. Used to be a part of every day life. Now there are people many decades old having never touched one. I grew up without a Father figure so I have been self teaching myself my whole live, 44 years, to use the old tools my Dad had and your videos has helped me doing that over the years I have been a subscriber. Thanks again.
You crack me up! But Balistol, in the spray can, is the most expensive way to buy white mineral oil! Yes, they sell in pump bottle also. Just buy a gallon of WMO and be done with it. On my tools, I use camellia oil, with no issues, Don't believe me. Look up the sds on both!
Know your products before you advocate and advertise to the rest of your fan base! Stop wasting people's money!
As I don't want to loose or risk the theft of my grandfather's Stanley Bailey type 12 (1919-1924) when working on site I recently purchased a type 20 (1962-1967) for £15 from a antique emporium here in the uk, it was in good condition/working order and ready to use if needed but I've still semi restored it to improve its performance. I would say that semi restoring a classic #4 is the better option as its the same amount of work as tuning the amazon one.
Honestly couldn’t watch the last 10 ish minutes lol couldn’t stand the noise >~< hurts My ears lol
I love how Amazon can just about perfectly recreate a Stanley plane and yet every time they go to make a show based off a book they don't get anywhere close. LOTR, Witcher, starwars.....
I own a Vintage #4 Craftsman smoothing plane and a Vintage Stanley 5.5 Jack plane that was my great grandfather's but I could use a scrub plane. For around $30 with some work would this plane make a good budget scrub plane. I've been keeping my eyes on Craigslist and Facebook marketplace for vintage planes but haven't seen any in awhile so this plane could fill in as my scrub plane until I find another good plane. So if anyone here has any experience with this budget hand plane, like it and think that it would make a good scrub plane please let me know. Thanks
Interesting the route that Amazon is taking. On one hand, they bilk manufacturers by charging them to help protect patents and trademarks, and avoid counterfeit products, yet they knock-off products themselves. Not that what Amazon is doing is counterfeit, and Stanley plane patents have almost certainly expired, but it's still contradictory to some extent.
Amazon wont stop until there is an "Amazon Basics" logo printed on every sheet of toilet paper.
Anthony Sozio and until we all come groveling at their feet begging for our sustenance
@@yeboscrebo4451 foot sustenance?!
You realize you have the option to not buy amazon products, right? It's not as deep as you're making it...