For those of you that don't have a conveniently-located IKEA store, you can buy the LADDA batteries on Amazon (affiliate links): AA: amzn.to/2k1CLcl AAA: amzn.to/2yrAGIH CHARGER: amzn.to/2wRLvHT
I did get to a few IKEAs, I even have a IKEA book in my house. But I do not know if I can find STORHÖGEN in our country. We can't pay for amazon because our country banned credit card number payment on the internet (it sucks).
I am just not sure. We are going to IKEA in 18 November, 2017 to see. We are going to pay around 9 USD for LADDA AA 2450mAh. 6.43 USD for LADDA AAA 900mAh. I get three of these. 30.86 USD for STORHÖGEN. (WE DO NOT HAVE IT IN OUR COUNTRY!) The total is 59.16 USD. Bit higher? Bit lower? I do not know. EDIT: (There is another chargers named as "VİNNİNGE". It is a poor man's "STORHÖGEN", but I do not like it.)
Even if you didn't buy meatballs you'd still have to pay to eat something else, and those meatballs are pretty cheap as well, so you didn't lose any money there.
I do A LOT of flash photography. I've blown through energizer, duracell and eneloop's... Out of all of them, the eneloops just DO NOT die! I've switched all other types but these ones are ridiculously amazing!
@@jimmybrad156 The whites I've had for the longest time so far. But the pro's feel like the recharge faster. I forgot the mAh ratings for them though. Can't go wrong with the eneloops
My only problem with the LADDA batteries is that the wrapping seems to be significantly thicker and can make removing them from some devices more difficult (Xbox 360 controller battery packs, for example).
I've been testing the Lada 2450, they actually outperform my eneloops BK-3MCCA. I'm not talking about the ah either, I'm talking about discharge at 200mah. Even when it reaches 1ah discharge the voltage is still at 1.27 when eneloop are at 1.21
you can't compare a 1900/2000mah capacity battery to a 2450 one.. OBVIOUSLY it will die sooner aka drop voltage sooner because it literally has LESS inside. you have to compare apples to apples. aka the Pro. The BK3MCCA is a white eneloop made to be able to sit on the shelf for a long long time and hold the most of what it has, something neither the LADDA 2450 or the PRO eneloop can do. they are "use it soon. but have a lot of juice" type of batteries. that is why they sell both kinds. 2 different uses. I have 24 Eneloop pros which are my "mains" that run through my operational 1.8k lumen tac lights when im overseas and then 24 more backup white eneloops that just sit around JUST IN CASE I ever get caught out for prolonged periods and go through all my Pros. It gives me a 24 count buffer zone. Then if they go, I switch to my modern 21700s as the final resort. lithium is king and can sit forever at 50%. NiMH must be maintained and loved/used to stay fresh.
Would be interesting to see how they compare over long time. Discharge rate and capacity after alot of load cycles. Even ikea furniture looks good and is stable, until you move and need to reassamble them.
As per your tests (thanks by the way) Eneloop Pro are about 25% better as they retained >1.2V for an hour more in the 4:30 hour test. This is very useful for high power drain devices.
There is one other thing that really really matters here. What current were the cells discharged at? Lots of cells can perform to rated capacity being discharge at low power ( a few hundred miliamps) but truly "high drain" devices require the cell to carry a load of 3000 ma or higher. I'm not saying these are not rebrand eneloops because I've found other cells that do perform that way, but some high amp curves would go a long way toward that proof. Thanks for doing this!!!!
Mmm, nice video ! But, the main sell of eneloops is not at all the capacity, but rather the stupid-low self discharge-rate, .. any word on how they perform on that front ?
@AirborneSurfer, Please don't do hasty calculations on this matter because Darieee has hit the issue on the nail. The main selling point of Eneloop is their slow discharge rate, and that's the reason I bought them in the first place. There are plenty of cheap Ni-Mh batteries and the only thing I want to know about the IKEA ones is if they have a slow discharge rate.
The IKEA ones are also low self discharge, oddly IKEA don't advertise them as such. But I brought some a year ago, along with Amazon and Eneloop branded ones. They all share the same characteristics. I also got some GP Recyko+ ones, they are also low self discharge, but not made in Japan, still very good batteries but low self discharge is slightly worse than the Japanese made cells.
ive been using a set of eneloops for years now, anything between 5-8 years and they still go strong. 8 of them cost 20 something euros to me, consider 1 duracell AA is 1 euro, initial cost might be higher, but they pretty soon pay themselfs back, depending on your use case.
Thanks for your time spent discovering the facts, large companies have been ripping people off for years, these videos will help people save money 💰 Cheers from Australia
Great video. I will say looking at the battery curves, they are pretty similar, but are extremely different. We really need to know the internal resistance and how they perform under a substantial load. Battery sag has a huge influence on performance in my experience, but not really that big of a deal with double & triple A's. Really comes more into play with 18650s or 21700s etc. Still a great video, and your main point is very valid, 4 batteries for 5$ or 5$ each for four batteries.
yeah they are different enough that I would say they are not the same battery relabeled. and this is when the batteries are fresh, I thing the difference will be more obvious as the batteries degrade.
Those brown lower-capacity IKEA batteries were actually Japan-made as well. (And the non-pro Panasonic-branded Eneloops are also made in Japan.) And now in 2022, Idea batteries around $8 per 4-pack, while (normal) Eneloops are around $10 per 4-pack. I went ahead and got Eneloops this time rather than Ikea. I imagine the slightly lower capacity 2100-mAh Eneloops will survive more cycles than the 2450 mAh IKEA.
If there not the same battery, what is the failure rate be on the LADDA brand, they might perform the same as Eneloops but what if they fail after 2 months or so!?
Impressive video, but joke's on you, i don't have IKEA in my country, and all rechargeable battery packs plus charger cost around the same 20-30$ while Eneloops are surprisingly cheaper out of the bunch in Amazon these days.
Thanks for this. Unfortunately, those links don't work as they are not currently available on amazon for the LADDA batteries in Canada. I'll have to try to pick them up at an ikea store.
The data presented at 6:20 actually indicate that these are different cells. The curves look very similar, but most LSD NiMH curves will look very similar. Overlay the two graphs, and note how in the middle portion of the discharge curve the Eneloop cells stay about .1-.2V higher than the LADDA cells. That's a hint that the Eneloop cells have a lower internal resistance than the LADDA cells do, and are likely a slightly different chemistry.
different as in binning, most probably. There's no reason to have 2 manufacturing processes for a battery that is the same in every aspect other than "quality" (as in, voltage curve, internal resistance, capacitance and all that). And really, if you're gonna use a step-up converter, you're current-bound, not voltage-bound.
Did you check the discharge rate.. that use to be the difference between enveloop and others… you could leave them and they would keep their charge for a much longer time.
Need to see # of charge cycles and shelf life comparison too. Its also pretty common for amnufaturers to make differnt lines of slightly differnt specs within the same factory. Well done on the video, but I need to see more before Im willing to use IKEA batteries for company/pro professional use
@@atariandre5014 the ikeas are good value, but you get what you pay for still. Their charger is better value in my view. Does a great job, doesn't overcharge or trickle.
@@jimmybrad156 Yes they are. There have been various tests and the performance of the Eneloops and Ikea's are identical. Not "about the same" but identical.
Thank you, sir! I appreciate the support! I do these higher-production videos as often as I can and post them on Mondays when available. In the meantime, I do host a live talkback show that I hope you'll enjoy every Thursday at 5 Pacific!
That's the point! Also hardware won't work as needed/excepted (speedlamp charge time between shots, RC range, LCD brightness for outdoor work etc) below some voltage and for user it means "battery is dead". If that would be 1.2 V then we can see on the chart it's far from "nearly identical". And there's a lot of other things like quality of battery (environmental, safety), the differences between batches/individual batteries etc. For some uses it will be fine, for some it won't be. For me it was cheaper to buy Eneloop, when I used AA in my work, than to play lottery. I need to except, not count on.
Hmm here in Sweden we had silver and green IKEA cells before the white ones. I never saw the brown ones. For how long did they stock them? Im there a few times a year getting lost in their maze and never saw them brownbeige ones...
Hi, been using Ladda and Eneloop pro for over 2 years now. They are built in the same factory in Japan, they are the same. In fact, 1 of my 4 Panasonic died out of nowhere, while my 4 Ladda are still going.
While "Made in Japan" is also a good rule to go by...I've opened up 2 NiMH batteries supposedly "Made in Japan" that were very different inside than Eneloops. Not sure if they were intentionally misleading with their labels or what. All the "Eneloop" or equivalents have had a honeycomb pattern that grows larger as it gets near the center of the rolled up contents. Anyways, I'm no expert...just a curious guy that can't resist opening things up to see what's inside. Thanks for the video, I know they are not quick to make.
Indeed, bud! I know the ultimate test would be to actually crack them open and compare the internals, but I was trying to keep this to the casual enginerding fan by using tools available to infer details nondestructively. Maybe one of these days, I'll take them down to the shop and properly compare the two brands! I appreciate your support, too! Thanks for your comments!
voltare2amstereo Not if discharged properly first, which you SHOULD ALWAYS DO before breaking open any battery. I've opened up countless batteries after discharging them and never had any fires.
Wait what!? IKEA has cool looking well performing battery charger? I was waiting for one from Panasonic for months now. Going to IKEA to get some, thanks for sharing. Will also check your battery discharging device, that would be handy. Thanks for that as well.
Thanks for the review. Even after the information I went with the eneloop because the overall price discrepancy for my needs was only $6 for a charger and batteries. I didn't do the pro, just the standard enerloop and the 2100 charge cycles, and 10 year performance vs the lower cycle, 3 year indicated on the others will hopefully justify the cost difference in the long run.
I recently went to IKEA to buy more of these awesome batteries, and they're different now. They changed the color and switched to cardboard packaging. But otherwise they are still made in Japan and have the same rated capacity. But now they also have slightly cheaper batteries that are also made in Japan but have the same rated capacity of regular eneloops. I went ahead and purchased several packs despite the change as I'm sure they're still high quality. Could you do a follow up video on the new ones so we can know if both new versions are similar to their eneloop counterparts? Thanks!
Absolutely love everything about this video man, the content spot on, easy to follow but just techy enough, the moving shots, the shady dude on the road. You gor a lot done in 5 minutes here man, fantastic work!
My goodness, i have no idea why this got suggested to me but I am sold! I had no idea.. I put ikea batteries on my list and will conform. Good work and my thanks for that. One questions though, I use "nest" products in my home and could you give your brain a poke and let me know if i can use the ikea AA's as replacement batteries? Nest themselves say to not use rechargable batteries but if the specs are this good, i am thinking why not? Less waste i am all for!
Thanks for testing and sharing. A longer test to see if LADDA's can consistanly reproduce similar results to Eneloops over time as well as how long they will hold charge, would add even further credibility to your hypothesis
5:36 if you look at the discharge curve charts, they're not the same. The time scales are not matched, but at 3:27:50 (approx) the LADDA is 8/10ths of a volt lower. Considering that these cells are only 1.2V, the difference between 1v and 1.08 (call it 1.10) is worth noting, and concluding the batteries are not the same.
This is quite interesting but frankly I have no interest in assembling my own batteries to save a few bucks. The included tool never really works and there's ALWAYS parts left over.
6:57 thumbs up for the old school radio shack digital soldering station in the background! you don't happen to know where to get replacement tips for it now, do you?? been wondering that for mine
Thank you for this video. Oddly enough you've convinced me to stick with Eneloop, actually. You see, despite the very similar looking discharge curve, there's a significant difference in how long they can stay above the 1.2 volts mark. There's also the difference in recharge cycles they're specified for - the 'normal' eneloop with 1900mAh (plenty enough) is only a bit more expensive per battery than the LADDA where I live, but gets 2100 cycles, which is far more than any competitor product can manage. I've also had some good experiences concerning the eneloop's ability to keep going at low temperatures for much longer than other rechargables I've used.
+Steamrick Hey, if you like Eneloop, stick with it! I'm just here to help consumers make informed decisions. LADDA runs just fine for every application I've used it in (including portable lights and flashes)! Maybe I'll investigate this 1.2V discrepancy a little more in a later video. Thanks for watching!
And I do feel much more informed now :) If I was working with the same price discrepancy as you are, I'm sure I'd have come to the same conclusion as well. The Eneloop Pro certainly aren't worth paying more than double for quite similar results. Hereabouts, the LADDA are 6.49€ / 4pc (plus gas or shipping), while the newest model Eneloop go for 8.00€ / 4pc (shipping included) and the Eneloop Pro for 14€ / pc (w/ shipping). Thing is, I don't really care too much about the Pro. I'd much rather have the sheer longevity and price/performance of the lower-tier 'regular' eneloop. I don't need that small extra bit of power - if I'm uncertain they'll last for the full duration I need, I can just take a second set with me. I've had quite a few of the 2nd gen eneloop (that came out 2010) in use for years, and I've not had a single one go bad on me so far. That's actually a lot better than non-rechargable batteries bought the same time period have managed... and Eneloop has gone ahead and come to the 4th generation by now, promising ever higher durability.
Indeed! Just for clarification, the LADDA is more of an analogue to Eneloop Pro and not the "regular" Eneloop battery :) As I found through my research, they're definitely not apples to apples! And yeah, if the difference in price is negligible to you, go for it! Definitely appreciate the feedback! If you're into this sort of stuff, be sure to check out the rest of the channel!
I personaly prefer the pro: I tested them against the "normal" eneloops in my yongnuo flashes: the Pros recharged the flash much faster. At high frequency series the flashed with the normal eneloops sometimes didnt fire, resulting in partly darker images. =)
peterpahn123 that’s because the Pros are designed specifically for that purpose. My understanding is for low drain usage the “vanilla” Eneloops are much better when it comes to cost:longevity ratio.
Thank you so much for being scientific about this! I've had the exact same suspicion (and supply chain research led me to a similar conclusion), but I prefer trusting quantitative reality as opposed to my amateur private detective skills (they've burned me before...) whenever possibly.
UK price for 4 x Ikea Ladda 2450 mAh AA = £5.50; most stores have stock. Ebay and Amazon prices for 4 x Eneloop Pro 2500 mAh AA for UK from UK sellers are typically about £12-£15. Checked 12-01-2019.
There is a logical(-ish) explanation for almost all this. Basically they're all fabbed in the same factory. Same specs. Fine. We can assume this because the profiles of both are far too similar for coincidence. Why are some EnPros and some Ikea? This always happens with battery manufacture. All these batteries are factory tested (charge/discharge/charge) and then rated on quality. Maybe it's the temp they run at when discharged at a certain rate, maybe it's the temp that they run at when charged at a certain rate, maybe it's voltage at a certain time in the discharge cycle and then they're scored. Lets say it's an A/B/C/Reject setup so A's become EnPros, the B's are sold as white label and the C's go to places where they want crappy batteries for cheap, lets call that place Africa for the sake of argument. The rejects then get recycled. Now if Ikea come along and offer up a contract to buy x million of your B's at a certain value and guaranteed volume you're going to do that deal. The real question is is the extra $10 worth paying when the cheaper battery is what the manufacturer considers technically defective but in the real world they're essentially the same battery.
There’s probably some sorting involved, but I think that ikea and amazon simply buy tons of batteries which basically not only it keeps the factory open, but also makes them a profit with lower margins
that's similar to what happens with vape batteries there will be a ton of different "brands" but they essentially all come from the same 3 sources Sony Panasonic Tesla
I broad loads of these ikea batteries not because needed Eneloop batteries but I was sick of buying batteries. I gave a set of these to my work mate as he was buying AA Duracell batteries (£1.25 each here in the uk) for his wild life camera or something like that. He said he was very impressed with them as these were only about £7 to buy. I explained to him the mAh on these are actually higher then the Duracell and it saved him a load of money. I was wondering could you not remove the wrap and see if there are any numbers or model numbers to compare with the original Eneloops?
Thank you for making this video. I almost like to think of it as if you have saved us naive consumers from the strategies refined over generations by corporations due to the institutional knowledge that outlasts our individual lifespans.
i bought bought 8x Ladda AA batteries rated 2450 & 8 AA batteries rated 900 (now you can only get 750's AAA's) from IKEA a few years back (online/delivery) that cleanly had eneloop written on them. Went to actual IKEA store where i live for the 1st time the other day and bought 12x AAA's (750's only as i dont think they sell the 900's anymore??? and another 8x 2450's none of them said eneloop on anymore, are they still eneloop but not advertised or are they lesser quality batteries?
Would bet they are the ones outside the bell-curve, showed some sign they may die earlier, or use material that are not as high spec, but still give basicly the same results
Interesting but, watt-hours is a better measure. It looks like the eneloop may have a better voltage profile during discharge which would influence wH but not maH. Also what about different discharge rates?
Just stumbled on this video. I'll offer this Point of Fact, most retail establishments commission manufacturers to make their products. As a Sears Paint Associate 18 years ago, I found out that Sherwin Williams made our paint and our Easy Living and Weatherbeater brands had higher specs than Sherwin Williams paints. Sears Craftsman branded power drills were also made by Black & Decker. Craftsman screwdrivers are made by Western Forge. Whirlpool makes Kenmore appliances. Sherwin Williams also makes paints for many other retailers. IKEA is an overpriced furniture retailer that can justify taking a loss on batteries they pay someone to make for them. Retail is all about demographics, Sherwin Williams demographics are primarily commercial builders and professional painters. They don't typically care about quality. Sears Best Easy Living & Weatherbeater Paints were the #1 paint brands when Sears sold paint. Sears Best Paints had the best warranty. Retailers use vendors for their brands.
Its funny how much you can save if you know who made the stuff you buy. Same with a lot of food. So much stuff is made at the same place and has the same ingrediants as some brand stuff. You really pay for the Name alone.
I believe the powerex pro which are 2700mah Made in Japan cells are not enerlop however are the older Sanyo/Panasonic 2700mah superlattice alloy evo(discontinued)Ni-Mh that were Made in Japan. I have both Sanyo and Powerex and they’re identical on capacity, power curve and voltage dropoff. They average over 2700mah at 1.50v off the charger.
Dude there are SO many more specifications that are really more important. As we see the chart there is a huge difference in Voltage drop. So the eneloop have a better voltage with higher current drains. That is one of the most important points (of course not for a clock or something like that). Second Eneloop reach very high cycle numbers and have a real long lifetime. Can you say that about the Ikea ones ? Dont get me wrong. The Ikea batteries will be fine for 99% of the user. But after all dont just say. Yeah looks identical, must be the same so better not buy the eneloops.
Ive been using cheap chinese PKCell batteries for years now. Never had issues with them, and they hold a charge for years.. But it's nice to see there is now a locally available cheap LSD AA battery.
For those of you that don't have a conveniently-located IKEA store, you can buy the LADDA batteries on Amazon (affiliate links):
AA: amzn.to/2k1CLcl
AAA: amzn.to/2yrAGIH
CHARGER: amzn.to/2wRLvHT
I did get to a few IKEAs, I even have a IKEA book in my house. But I do not know if I can find STORHÖGEN in our country. We can't pay for amazon because our country banned credit card number payment on the internet (it sucks).
+random player That is unfortunate! STORHÖGEN should be available in any stores that sell LADDA. Perhaps they were out of stock at the time?
I am just not sure. We are going to IKEA in 18 November, 2017 to see.
We are going to pay around
9 USD for LADDA AA 2450mAh.
6.43 USD for LADDA AAA 900mAh. I get three of these.
30.86 USD for STORHÖGEN. (WE DO NOT HAVE IT IN OUR COUNTRY!)
The total is 59.16 USD. Bit higher? Bit lower? I do not know.
EDIT: (There is another chargers named as "VİNNİNGE". It is a poor man's "STORHÖGEN", but I do not like it.)
And I love how you edited it to make some weird, educational, comedy and funny skits you made. I love your work!
+random player VINNINGE is the older version, but you gotta take what you can get, I might say! Have fun!
The problem is, the $15 you save buying ikea batteries will be spent on meatballs. Still a win I suppose.
MOAR LINGONBERRY!!!!
Even if you didn't buy meatballs you'd still have to pay to eat something else, and those meatballs are pretty cheap as well, so you didn't lose any money there.
Hmm...do they still do they shitty square pizza slices? It's been years since I had one and I miss them
IKEA meatballs are overrated.
And a hard boiled egg sliver.
Does this information still hold true with the new Green colored IKEA LADDA or did they change the chemistry quality?
In Canada enloops are $30 on Amazon and white Ladda are $15 at IKEA , I went with the ladda
Jesus, the amount of research you did for this video is mind boggling. Awesome video!
New subscriber! A winner is you!
I do A LOT of flash photography. I've blown through energizer, duracell and eneloop's... Out of all of them, the eneloops just DO NOT die! I've switched all other types but these ones are ridiculously amazing!
how would you compare the eneloop whites vs pros?
@@jimmybrad156 The whites I've had for the longest time so far. But the pro's feel like the recharge faster. I forgot the mAh ratings for them though. Can't go wrong with the eneloops
My only problem with the LADDA batteries is that the wrapping seems to be significantly thicker and can make removing them from some devices more difficult (Xbox 360 controller battery packs, for example).
You can add or replace the original battery wrap with a battery wrap that is widely sold in online stores.
I've been testing the Lada 2450, they actually outperform my eneloops BK-3MCCA.
I'm not talking about the ah either, I'm talking about discharge at 200mah. Even when it reaches 1ah discharge the voltage is still at 1.27 when eneloop are at 1.21
you can't compare a 1900/2000mah capacity battery to a 2450 one.. OBVIOUSLY it will die sooner aka drop voltage sooner because it literally has LESS inside. you have to compare apples to apples. aka the Pro. The BK3MCCA is a white eneloop made to be able to sit on the shelf for a long long time and hold the most of what it has, something neither the LADDA 2450 or the PRO eneloop can do. they are "use it soon. but have a lot of juice" type of batteries. that is why they sell both kinds. 2 different uses. I have 24 Eneloop pros which are my "mains" that run through my operational 1.8k lumen tac lights when im overseas and then 24 more backup white eneloops that just sit around JUST IN CASE I ever get caught out for prolonged periods and go through all my Pros. It gives me a 24 count buffer zone. Then if they go, I switch to my modern 21700s as the final resort. lithium is king and can sit forever at 50%. NiMH must be maintained and loved/used to stay fresh.
Would be interesting to see how they compare over long time.
Discharge rate and capacity after alot of load cycles.
Even ikea furniture looks good and is stable, until you move and need to reassamble them.
Stay tuned. There's a lot of interest, so I may revisit this in the future....
@@AirborneSurferdid you?
@@AirborneSurfer any update?
Hey, now is the future. Any updates?
IF someone dont already know that, LADDA means CHARGE
I just saw you in great scotts community tab. lol! Greetings from the fuuuuulllll bridge RECTIFIER!
technically it means to charge
Jævlar
Right, it's Swedish and it means exactly what you're saying.
Tackar då vet jag det ^^
As per your tests (thanks by the way) Eneloop Pro are about 25% better as they retained >1.2V for an hour more in the 4:30 hour test. This is very useful for high power drain devices.
This seems important for devices that shut off at that voltage cutoff.
@@prashank Exactly. Ladda is no competition for Eneloop Pro when it comes to flash photography.
I understand it's 2022. But why does this guy have only 9k odd subscribers, this is sad, we need more.
Bought a lot of Ladda batteries and they are now my favorite
There is one other thing that really really matters here. What current were the cells discharged at? Lots of cells can perform to rated capacity being discharge at low power ( a few hundred miliamps) but truly "high drain" devices require the cell to carry a load of 3000 ma or higher. I'm not saying these are not rebrand eneloops because I've found other cells that do perform that way, but some high amp curves would go a long way toward that proof. Thanks for doing this!!!!
Hello!!, please, can you share the arduino analyzer?
THX a lot
Mmm, nice video ! But, the main sell of eneloops is not at all the capacity, but rather the stupid-low self discharge-rate, .. any word on how they perform on that front ?
So far, so good. According to my hasty calculations, you're looking about 80% (+/-5%) residual charge after 12 months. Thanks for watching!
@AirborneSurfer, Please don't do hasty calculations on this matter because Darieee has hit the issue on the nail. The main selling point of Eneloop is their slow discharge rate, and that's the reason I bought them in the first place. There are plenty of cheap Ni-Mh batteries and the only thing I want to know about the IKEA ones is if they have a slow discharge rate.
The IKEA ones are also low self discharge, oddly IKEA don't advertise them as such. But I brought some a year ago, along with Amazon and Eneloop branded ones. They all share the same characteristics. I also got some GP Recyko+ ones, they are also low self discharge, but not made in Japan, still very good batteries but low self discharge is slightly worse than the Japanese made cells.
Axonis, let us know what you find when you do the thorough “non-hasty” calculations.
Why dont you make your own channel and answer that question yourself?
Ungrateful sons of bitches.
ive been using a set of eneloops for years now, anything between 5-8 years and they still go strong. 8 of them cost 20 something euros to me, consider 1 duracell AA is 1 euro, initial cost might be higher, but they pretty soon pay themselfs back, depending on your use case.
Thanks for your time spent discovering the facts, large companies have been ripping people off for years, these videos will help people save money 💰
Cheers from Australia
Have you a guide to assemble the battery discharger that you used on this video?
He starts actually answering the question at 5:20. Everything before that it the equivalnt of a story about the authors peepaw on a recipe page.
Is there a way To get a manual to build that tester?
Most product names at IKEA are Swedish words or places.
Ladda=Charge (verb)
Färgton=Hue (Färg=Color, Ton=Tone)
Greetings from Sweden :)
People in the Balkan: Why the fuck this battery is named after a shitty russian car?
@@U.S.A. The Russian car was/is actually Lada, not Ladda.
@@MikkoRantalainen I know but it sounds similar.
1:45 - I don't think you put the link to that your video there, I couldn't find it where you pointed...
Great video. I will say looking at the battery curves, they are pretty similar, but are extremely different. We really need to know the internal resistance and how they perform under a substantial load. Battery sag has a huge influence on performance in my experience, but not really that big of a deal with double & triple A's. Really comes more into play with 18650s or 21700s etc. Still a great video, and your main point is very valid, 4 batteries for 5$ or 5$ each for four batteries.
yeah they are different enough that I would say they are not the same battery relabeled. and this is when the batteries are fresh, I thing the difference will be more obvious as the batteries degrade.
Do you have a video how to make this battery tester/logger? Thanks
Those brown lower-capacity IKEA batteries were actually Japan-made as well. (And the non-pro Panasonic-branded Eneloops are also made in Japan.)
And now in 2022, Idea batteries around $8 per 4-pack, while (normal) Eneloops are around $10 per 4-pack. I went ahead and got Eneloops this time rather than Ikea. I imagine the slightly lower capacity 2100-mAh Eneloops will survive more cycles than the 2450 mAh IKEA.
Is the discharge data that was used to generate the graphs available somewhere on the internet?
Here in the UK, Eneloop Pro 4-pack is £12.89 ($16.39) on Amazon and LADDA 4-pack is £5.50 ($6.99).
A saving of £7.39 ($9.40)!
If there not the same battery, what is the failure rate be on the LADDA brand, they might perform the same as Eneloops but what if they fail after 2 months or so!?
Impressive video, but joke's on you, i don't have IKEA in my country, and all rechargeable battery packs plus charger cost around the same 20-30$ while Eneloops are surprisingly cheaper out of the bunch in Amazon these days.
Thanks for this. Unfortunately, those links don't work as they are not currently available on amazon for the LADDA batteries in Canada. I'll have to try to pick them up at an ikea store.
The data presented at 6:20 actually indicate that these are different cells. The curves look very similar, but most LSD NiMH curves will look very similar. Overlay the two graphs, and note how in the middle portion of the discharge curve the Eneloop cells stay about .1-.2V higher than the LADDA cells. That's a hint that the Eneloop cells have a lower internal resistance than the LADDA cells do, and are likely a slightly different chemistry.
different as in binning, most probably. There's no reason to have 2 manufacturing processes for a battery that is the same in every aspect other than "quality" (as in, voltage curve, internal resistance, capacitance and all that).
And really, if you're gonna use a step-up converter, you're current-bound, not voltage-bound.
$15.00 dollars less. What was your question again?
@@TheLawlbreaker $15.00 dollars less. What was your question again?
Did you check the discharge rate.. that use to be the difference between enveloop and others… you could leave them and they would keep their charge for a much longer time.
Need to see # of charge cycles and shelf life comparison too. Its also pretty common for amnufaturers to make differnt lines of slightly differnt specs within the same factory. Well done on the video, but I need to see more before Im willing to use IKEA batteries for company/pro professional use
Dude…….they are the same.
just go with the eneloops.
@@atariandre5014 not really.
@@atariandre5014 the ikeas are good value, but you get what you pay for still. Their charger is better value in my view. Does a great job, doesn't overcharge or trickle.
@@jimmybrad156 Yes they are. There have been various tests and the performance of the Eneloops and Ikea's are identical. Not "about the same" but identical.
WOW this video was SO well produced, informative and cleanly presented. The tone and sense of humor is right up my alley too, subbed for more!
Thank you, sir! I appreciate the support! I do these higher-production videos as often as I can and post them on Mondays when available. In the meantime, I do host a live talkback show that I hope you'll enjoy every Thursday at 5 Pacific!
Oooo I do enjoy liveshows, however my crappy home internet (20kbs) prevents much of that :|
+Arsenio Dev Bummer! At least you can always catch the replay, right?
The real question is how do they perform over time. How is the degradation of the Panasonic versus the IKEA ones?
That's the point! Also hardware won't work as needed/excepted (speedlamp charge time between shots, RC range, LCD brightness for outdoor work etc) below some voltage and for user it means "battery is dead". If that would be 1.2 V then we can see on the chart it's far from "nearly identical". And there's a lot of other things like quality of battery (environmental, safety), the differences between batches/individual batteries etc. For some uses it will be fine, for some it won't be. For me it was cheaper to buy Eneloop, when I used AA in my work, than to play lottery. I need to except, not count on.
Hmm here in Sweden we had silver and green IKEA cells before the white ones. I never saw the brown ones. For how long did they stock them? Im there a few times a year getting lost in their maze and never saw them brownbeige ones...
It's been 3.5 years since this (great) video was made. Can anyone supply any long-term data about the performance of the LADDA? THANKS!
Hi, been using Ladda and Eneloop pro for over 2 years now. They are built in the same factory in Japan, they are the same. In fact, 1 of my 4 Panasonic died out of nowhere, while my 4 Ladda are still going.
Can u plz explain why shavers like babylliss fx02 still use in cands in them ?
Breaking open both cells will reveal if they came off the same assembly line...for those skeptical folks out there.
+PowerScissor This is likely true.
While "Made in Japan" is also a good rule to go by...I've opened up 2 NiMH batteries supposedly "Made in Japan" that were very different inside than Eneloops. Not sure if they were intentionally misleading with their labels or what. All the "Eneloop" or equivalents have had a honeycomb pattern that grows larger as it gets near the center of the rolled up contents. Anyways, I'm no expert...just a curious guy that can't resist opening things up to see what's inside. Thanks for the video, I know they are not quick to make.
Indeed, bud! I know the ultimate test would be to actually crack them open and compare the internals, but I was trying to keep this to the casual enginerding fan by using tools available to infer details nondestructively. Maybe one of these days, I'll take them down to the shop and properly compare the two brands! I appreciate your support, too! Thanks for your comments!
voltare2amstereo Not if discharged properly first, which you SHOULD ALWAYS DO before breaking open any battery. I've opened up countless batteries after discharging them and never had any fires.
Weighing them on a good scale would be a good start as well. Battery weight varies a lot. The cheap batteries also weigh the least.
Dude. Your videos are gold. Never stop. Instant sub
Wait what!? IKEA has cool looking well performing battery charger? I was waiting for one from Panasonic for months now. Going to IKEA to get some, thanks for sharing.
Will also check your battery discharging device, that would be handy. Thanks for that as well.
Will someone explain why he said not to put the format light at 4.29, near your computer?
Thanks for the review. Even after the information I went with the eneloop because the overall price discrepancy for my needs was only $6 for a charger and batteries. I didn't do the pro, just the standard enerloop and the 2100 charge cycles, and 10 year performance vs the lower cycle, 3 year indicated on the others will hopefully justify the cost difference in the long run.
I recently went to IKEA to buy more of these awesome batteries, and they're different now. They changed the color and switched to cardboard packaging. But otherwise they are still made in Japan and have the same rated capacity. But now they also have slightly cheaper batteries that are also made in Japan but have the same rated capacity of regular eneloops.
I went ahead and purchased several packs despite the change as I'm sure they're still high quality.
Could you do a follow up video on the new ones so we can know if both new versions are similar to their eneloop counterparts? Thanks!
How did you find them and what do you use them for?
Absolutely love everything about this video man, the content spot on, easy to follow but just techy enough, the moving shots, the shady dude on the road. You gor a lot done in 5 minutes here man, fantastic work!
Thanks, bud! It's all starting to come together!
My goodness, i have no idea why this got suggested to me but I am sold! I had no idea.. I put ikea batteries on my list and will conform. Good work and my thanks for that. One questions though, I use "nest" products in my home and could you give your brain a poke and let me know if i can use the ikea AA's as replacement batteries? Nest themselves say to not use rechargable batteries but if the specs are this good, i am thinking why not? Less waste i am all for!
Thanks for testing and sharing. A longer test to see if LADDA's can consistanly reproduce similar results to Eneloops over time as well as how long they will hold charge, would add even further credibility to your hypothesis
Thanks for the tip! I'll consider looking into it at some point!
@@AirborneSurfer Yes this is how you test batteries.
What is the X axis on the plot of the discharge rate graph at 5:38?
Thanks, not from the US but will keep an eye out for 2450mAh Ni-Mh made in Japan.
what about charge retention over time? wasn't that the main difference?
I didn't even know that I needed to know this, but thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching.
Is the IKEA charger any good? I've read lots of opinions the varying quality of chargers so...
Ooooh! This is the reason to why IKEA suddenly ran out of LADDA batteries.
is the LADDA charger a smart charger that stops charging when full?
Great video! You put a ton of research and work into this!
Thanks, bud! It was a question that was bugging me for quite a while, and I couldn't find a sufficient answer on the interwebs. SCIENCE FTW!
I suggest you to really test performance of the bateries by comparing data after 400 drain/charge cycles.
You are doing a great service for poor folk, we thank you. First time viewer.
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I was trying to figure out who this guy reminds me of.
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@@AirborneSurfer BI-WINNING
very interesting. but not mentioned is, how many charge/discharge-cycles for ladda and enelope?
Both brands are rated at a minimum of 500 charge cycles. Thanks for watching!
it is $10 per 4 packs in Malaysia but still 50% cheaper than the Eneloop pro...
5:36 if you look at the discharge curve charts, they're not the same. The time scales are not matched, but at 3:27:50 (approx) the LADDA is 8/10ths of a volt lower. Considering that these cells are only 1.2V, the difference between 1v and 1.08 (call it 1.10) is worth noting, and concluding the batteries are not the same.
The time scales are not matched, but it appears that the LADDA last longer. They cross under 1.15V later in time.
This is quite interesting but frankly I have no interest in assembling my own batteries to save a few bucks. The included tool never really works and there's ALWAYS parts left over.
You are an absolute idiot. These are AA batteries. No assembly is required and there isn't any "included tool" either.
@@johncoops6897
That was clearly a joke, and quite a good one.
So the idiot...
is you.
@@BWater-yq3jx - Yep.... the WHOOSH factor was high!
6:57 thumbs up for the old school radio shack digital soldering station in the background! you don't happen to know where to get replacement tips for it now, do you?? been wondering that for mine
Thank you for this video. Oddly enough you've convinced me to stick with Eneloop, actually. You see, despite the very similar looking discharge curve, there's a significant difference in how long they can stay above the 1.2 volts mark.
There's also the difference in recharge cycles they're specified for - the 'normal' eneloop with 1900mAh (plenty enough) is only a bit more expensive per battery than the LADDA where I live, but gets 2100 cycles, which is far more than any competitor product can manage. I've also had some good experiences concerning the eneloop's ability to keep going at low temperatures for much longer than other rechargables I've used.
+Steamrick Hey, if you like Eneloop, stick with it! I'm just here to help consumers make informed decisions. LADDA runs just fine for every application I've used it in (including portable lights and flashes)! Maybe I'll investigate this 1.2V discrepancy a little more in a later video. Thanks for watching!
And I do feel much more informed now :)
If I was working with the same price discrepancy as you are, I'm sure I'd have come to the same conclusion as well. The Eneloop Pro certainly aren't worth paying more than double for quite similar results.
Hereabouts, the LADDA are 6.49€ / 4pc (plus gas or shipping), while the newest model Eneloop go for 8.00€ / 4pc (shipping included) and the Eneloop Pro for 14€ / pc (w/ shipping).
Thing is, I don't really care too much about the Pro. I'd much rather have the sheer longevity and price/performance of the lower-tier 'regular' eneloop. I don't need that small extra bit of power - if I'm uncertain they'll last for the full duration I need, I can just take a second set with me.
I've had quite a few of the 2nd gen eneloop (that came out 2010) in use for years, and I've not had a single one go bad on me so far. That's actually a lot better than non-rechargable batteries bought the same time period have managed... and Eneloop has gone ahead and come to the 4th generation by now, promising ever higher durability.
Indeed! Just for clarification, the LADDA is more of an analogue to Eneloop Pro and not the "regular" Eneloop battery :) As I found through my research, they're definitely not apples to apples! And yeah, if the difference in price is negligible to you, go for it!
Definitely appreciate the feedback! If you're into this sort of stuff, be sure to check out the rest of the channel!
I personaly prefer the pro: I tested them against the "normal" eneloops in my yongnuo flashes: the Pros recharged the flash much faster. At high frequency series the flashed with the normal eneloops sometimes didnt fire, resulting in partly darker images. =)
peterpahn123 that’s because the Pros are designed specifically for that purpose. My understanding is for low drain usage the “vanilla” Eneloops are much better when it comes to cost:longevity ratio.
@5:19 I do not remember the battery tester you built a few weeks ago. Please direct me to the video. Thanks.
Thank you so much for being scientific about this! I've had the exact same suspicion (and supply chain research led me to a similar conclusion), but I prefer trusting quantitative reality as opposed to my amateur private detective skills (they've burned me before...) whenever possibly.
I do what I can FOR SCIENCE!
Dude this video deserves an award, simply genius from start to finish great work dude!!
This makes me happy. Really happy.
UK price for 4 x Ikea Ladda 2450 mAh AA = £5.50; most stores have stock. Ebay and Amazon prices for 4 x Eneloop Pro 2500 mAh AA for UK from UK sellers are typically about £12-£15. Checked 12-01-2019.
There is a logical(-ish) explanation for almost all this. Basically they're all fabbed in the same factory. Same specs. Fine. We can assume this because the profiles of both are far too similar for coincidence. Why are some EnPros and some Ikea? This always happens with battery manufacture. All these batteries are factory tested (charge/discharge/charge) and then rated on quality. Maybe it's the temp they run at when discharged at a certain rate, maybe it's the temp that they run at when charged at a certain rate, maybe it's voltage at a certain time in the discharge cycle and then they're scored. Lets say it's an A/B/C/Reject setup so A's become EnPros, the B's are sold as white label and the C's go to places where they want crappy batteries for cheap, lets call that place Africa for the sake of argument. The rejects then get recycled. Now if Ikea come along and offer up a contract to buy x million of your B's at a certain value and guaranteed volume you're going to do that deal. The real question is is the extra $10 worth paying when the cheaper battery is what the manufacturer considers technically defective but in the real world they're essentially the same battery.
There’s probably some sorting involved, but I think that ikea and amazon simply buy tons of batteries which basically not only it keeps the factory open, but also makes them a profit with lower margins
that's similar to what happens with vape batteries there will be a ton of different "brands" but they essentially all come from the same 3 sources
Sony
Panasonic
Tesla
Binning is the only difference. They all are manufactured the exact same way. Binning is what makes any difference at all.
I broad loads of these ikea batteries not because needed Eneloop batteries but I was sick of buying batteries. I gave a set of these to my work mate as he was buying AA Duracell batteries (£1.25 each here in the uk) for his wild life camera or something like that. He said he was very impressed with them as these were only about £7 to buy. I explained to him the mAh on these are actually higher then the Duracell and it saved him a load of money. I was wondering could you not remove the wrap and see if there are any numbers or model numbers to compare with the original Eneloops?
Any analysis on the self-discharge rates? That's the main selling point of Eneloops for computer equipment
Thank you for making this video. I almost like to think of it as if you have saved us naive consumers from the strategies refined over generations by corporations due to the institutional knowledge that outlasts our individual lifespans.
i bought bought 8x Ladda AA batteries rated 2450 & 8 AA batteries rated 900 (now you can only get 750's AAA's) from IKEA a few years back (online/delivery) that cleanly had eneloop written on them. Went to actual IKEA store where i live for the 1st time the other day and bought 12x AAA's (750's only as i dont think they sell the 900's anymore??? and another 8x 2450's none of them said eneloop on anymore, are they still eneloop but not advertised or are they lesser quality batteries?
What do you mean the Ladda said eneloop on them? Why would they have eneloop written on them? (Genuine question)
You just saved me like $100 bucks!
Would bet they are the ones outside the bell-curve, showed some sign they may die earlier, or use material that are not as high spec, but still give basicly the same results
same eneloop in my wii for almost 10 years yes their that good
Interesting but, watt-hours is a better measure. It looks like the eneloop may have a better voltage profile during discharge which would influence wH but not maH. Also what about different discharge rates?
Just stumbled on this video.
I'll offer this Point of Fact, most retail establishments commission manufacturers to make their products. As a Sears Paint Associate 18 years ago, I found out that Sherwin Williams made our paint and our Easy Living and Weatherbeater brands had higher specs than Sherwin Williams paints. Sears Craftsman branded power drills were also made by Black & Decker. Craftsman screwdrivers are made by Western Forge. Whirlpool makes Kenmore appliances.
Sherwin Williams also makes paints for many other retailers.
IKEA is an overpriced furniture retailer that can justify taking a loss on batteries they pay someone to make for them.
Retail is all about demographics, Sherwin Williams demographics are primarily commercial builders and professional painters. They don't typically care about quality. Sears Best Easy Living & Weatherbeater Paints were the #1 paint brands when Sears sold paint. Sears Best Paints had the best warranty.
Retailers use vendors for their brands.
did u ever test energizer duracell and amazon basics battery?
Wow, I bought Eneloop Pro for my DSLR flash, were they specifically stated it must be Eneloop :D Great job!
“Must me Eneloop” is just a way to get them more money. Power is power, you give them the right amount in the right form and it’ll work.
Outstanding research and presentation - well done & thank you for this!! JO
+BRACWatchChannel Thanks for watching!
Really interesting! I learned a lot today.
Thanks, Andrew! Going to be taking another look at those IKEA batteries now?
My question is how do they preform when draining high capacity discharge like a camera flash
rechargables are cheaper. they may cost more per unit but you can recharge them and that means they replace not one battery but hundreds
Eneloops are supposed to hold their charge while not in use much longer than ordinary rechargeable batteries, how long did the IKEA hold it's charge?
Its funny how much you can save if you know who made the stuff you buy. Same with a lot of food. So much stuff is made at the same place and has the same ingrediants as some brand stuff. You really pay for the Name alone.
I believe the powerex pro which are 2700mah Made in Japan cells are not enerlop however are the older Sanyo/Panasonic 2700mah superlattice alloy evo(discontinued)Ni-Mh that were Made in Japan. I have both Sanyo and Powerex and they’re identical on capacity, power curve and voltage dropoff. They average over 2700mah at 1.50v off the charger.
Dude there are SO many more specifications that are really more important.
As we see the chart there is a huge difference in Voltage drop. So the eneloop have a better voltage with higher current drains. That is one of the most important points (of course not for a clock or something like that).
Second Eneloop reach very high cycle numbers and have a real long lifetime. Can you say that about the Ikea ones ?
Dont get me wrong. The Ikea batteries will be fine for 99% of the user. But after all dont just say. Yeah looks identical, must be the same so better not buy the eneloops.
$15.00 dollars less. What was your question again?
out of curiousity, could these be charged in an eneloop charger? or vice-versa as in eneloop batteries in an ikea charger?
I don't see why not. The Eneloop Pro cells I have charge fine in the IKEA charger.
Ive been using cheap chinese PKCell batteries for years now. Never had issues with them, and they hold a charge for years.. But it's nice to see there is now a locally available cheap LSD AA battery.
Awesome video! These kinds of experiments/breakdowns are really cool.
+jontheboss Thanks, bud! I'm finally settling into a groove, it seems!
Welcome to the unwonderful world of premium brand pricing. The price difference is solely the cost of the name on the label.
You can also buy them branded as Fujitsu. I've seen them on sale cheaper than Eneloop.
Why is the Audio messed up? Sounds like high compression, low-quality. But you have a high Quality microphone! Must be TH-cam. Cool batteries though.
What's the poster over your television? "Paws" caught my attention...
Cries about the price of batteries has a Apple Mac book :D heheh BUT still a very good video and very informative
Great video dude! This deserves more views!
+Draggy B Dragon Hey, thanks, Draggy! Be sure and share it with everyone you know (and as many people that you don't know)!
Awesome video my friend. Break breakdown, explanation and production. A+A+A+
+Creator Fundamentals Many thanks, sir! I definitely appreciate your feedback!
What he said
The GIF with SAME on it (7:13) made sound..... Thx Brain!