the biggest misconception is when people think kpop is a genre. not every korean song is kpop. the range of genre is still present in korea the same way it is in the west.
Yes, Kpop has changed over the years just like western pop. It hurt me when he said the older sounds didntnsound like kpop. Back then that is exactly how pop sounded. It changes with time
My definition of kpop is Korean songs that are sang by idols. it's not just "korean song" because there's a lot other korean singers that are not idols.
The thing about Kpop is that it’s basically just a massive umbrella term with loads of combinations of genres like both rock bands and cutesy girl groups would be considered Kpop
@@GoodBoy-nx3oy Nah mate the only thing you can transition is the real k-"pop" ones you cant make the transition in the other genres such as hiphop,rock,rock ballad,ballad etc. They are not similar at all. Poppy ones are overused and usually similar to each other so exactly like nowadays pop.
@@sungmin7723 that's why I said true group. Triple H have been inactive for a few years now, the members focusing on their other group/solo career and Troublemaker has been said to have disbanded. I hadn't heard of Checkmate but it seems like they're still trying to figure out who's going to be in the group or not
@@jeonginsdolphinscream checkmate has a fixed lineup^^. i think i misinterpreted your comment because i thought you said that kard is the only co ed group that debuted, my bad.
13:45 It's certainly not inspire by Sam Smith. It's the soundtrack of a Kdrama called 'Goblin'. Everyone knows that song even if they haven't watched it. So many artists have covered it or danced to it. It's iconic.
Tbh there are a bunch of iconic songs not included. I was completely waiting for Devil by Suju to show up, since it was literally the song that made them be the first ever kpop group to win Teen Choice Award.
actually kpop is just a bunch of genres mixed together People are just used to calling "the whole korean music industry'' K-pop. Anyway,happy that you watched this video!
Actually, it is the opposite. K-pop is traditionally defined as a genre that is a collection of genres, which is absurd. Now, it is more appropriately defined as the industry or the idol culture itself because every K-pop song is still can be classified as actual genres hip-hop, r&b, electro, dance, rock, etc. K-pop is basically the pop of Korea.
Full Korean here! Just wanted to maybe help your confusion, Joel. KPop is not actually a genre - it encapsulates many genres such as pop, hip-hop, trot, etc. That is why there are so many different types and why you maybe think things don’t sound “KPop”.
The problem is that internationally, people got habituated to associating K-pop with BTS and BP songs, therefore they expect every other korean song to be just as heavily beat based, 'energetic', autotuney and with good production. I like that you're clearing it up for Joel and the others, but they can't exactly change how they perceive K-pop.
This needs to be upvoted more! I hate how people assume Kpop to be a general pop genre for some reason. KPOP is a brand and not everything has to have a specific sound lol
BTS FANS: Where's the Kpop video Roomie: You see with my busy schedule and all... *I've been tryna find a way to make it work. Just for you. Yeah just for you!!! I've been tryna find a way to make it hurt less for ME* XDD
Song: “put your hands up, P-P-put your hands up” Joel: “this Sounds A little more like western music, just in another language right now” Me as a Kpop Stan: “bro, that’s English”
I felt kind of bad for only recognizing like three songs from before 2013 but I’m still pretty new to K-pop and I knew most of the songs and/or groups from after that
"The word we have in Korea for K-Pop is 'Gaio.' And I guess it's a huge umbrella term. Basically it's like saying Coldplay and Kanye West, or Eminem and Celine Dion, are the same genre." - TABLO
He says "true kpop" to the more original songs and sounds, bc most of the old songs were leaning more to the old west genres, when now the bigger and new kpop artists each has a more original concept and sounds
He keeps saying "oh this doesn't sound like kpop, kpop sounds like this" first of all kpop doesn't just have one sound to it. Kpop is basically a bunch of different genres mixed in it such as rap, vocal, dance and, pop. Some groups may have the girl crush theme such as 2ne1, fx or, blackpink and others may seem more cute and soft such as twice or gfriend.
Kpop isnt just one genre it's more of an umbrella term. all of those sounds like the more bad ass stuff, the rock stuff or the cutesie stuff is all kpop thats what makes it so special!
most esp if they want more Rock-ish Group, they'll literally need to Stan G-friend if they want softer side and Dreamcatcher if they want on the harder side
I've listened to kpop since about 2009 and everyone thought I was a weirdo for listening to it because it wasn't in English. I was just living in the future.
Same. People just looked confused if I told them because they didn't even know what K-pop meant. I stopped listening pretty much after 2ne1 disbanded though and I started seeing how toxic the industry as a whole is so I never got to experience it being popular and I dont know any newer stuff.
Um kpop ofc is pop it has multiple different types of pop but actually it also is a genre and he most likely didn't know that kpop can be like the west where it's many genres because kpop is mostly famous for its certain sound genre which is sounds like dna and ddu-ddu and it's now actually officially considered a genre lol
I'm not a kpop fan, I don't follow much, but I absolutely LOVE exo's songs. I don't listen to so many songs of any other group... Monster, Love shot, Tempo, Call me baby, Ko ko Bop, Overdose
Sry bt before bts kpop wasnt so well recognized in many countries including mine... I got to discover kpop only after bts ... Given that too the impact of BB in shaping kpop industry is impeccable.
I'm a huge Blackpink fan, but I wish more people would go back and listen to the groups that made Kpop. I've been listening to it since maybe 2008 and my first group was TVXQ.
I'm amazed Joel didn't pause at 7th Sense... even 5 years later it's still incredibly different from any other kpop song and one of the most iconic debuts ever.
when you were there since tvxq debut era, you kinda automatically knew almost all of them (98%+ at least) xD i practically grew up with them and have seen the slowly growth of the k-pop. back then those songs were soooo dang good (and still are) it was so nostalgic when hearing them again in order of year like this sobs. of course i don't agree with all of what you've said here in the video but it's understandable from both side.
for most of the times you say its green screen.. its actually a real set. they really are serious in making gigantic sets which always baffles me.. they only use green screen when there is a really difficult fantasy theme .. but when it comes to gigantic cube dance floor they actually do it in a big studio..
weird that BTS's I Need U (2015) wasn't there. that song led them on a more international pathway, it was the song of the year and was known as one of the best songs in K-pop history, there was an article about it. but BTS's blood sweat and tears was there, that song was literally another kpop song of the year. but BTS still wasn't mainstream until 2016-2017 ish
"I need u" and "fire" were the songs that started bts' success in Korea (their first album daesang) and then "blood sweat and tears" led them to be famous internationally (especially with their bbma nomination) and then "dna" stabled the popularity!
"When kpop starts sounding like THE kpop" - and then there's us old fans who miss the times when kpop was more diverse while also having eras with specific Western influences (the 2015-ish tropical house was everywhere, even in kpop, but there were dozens of other music styles as well). Kpop is not just well-produced electronic music with great choreo, it's the pop-rock Dreamcatcher or Day6, it's amazing vocalists like IU and Mamamoo, the cute GFriend and Twice pop, the powerful B.A.P. and old BTS, the experimental Orange Caramel and Big Bang, the retro Infinite and T-ARA... K-pop has had milions of fans internationally before BTS and Blackpink exactly because it had a specific flavor, but it was also as diverse or even more diverse than Western music. I mean TVXQ had entered the Guinness World record for the biggest fanclub of 800k (I think) before BTS and Blackpink even existed (not dissing them, just comparing time-wise).
@🌴𝘒𝘰𝘬𝘰𝘣𝘰𝘱🌴 i started kpop around 2012 and im obessesed with artists from the 90s to know, everyone has different flavours and style, and mamamoo are my fave girl group with 2ne1,
YASS. I actually started casually listening to SNSD since October 2011, and early 2013, I completely fell down the K-POP rabbit hole. 2Ne1, then BIGBANG, then AFTER SCHOOL and then *goes on rambling about groups and how I slowly evolved into a multi-stan girl group supremacist*
Yessss!!! Actually I don't listen to newer kpop now since I find it too westernized? Or maybe I'm just getting old and miss the old big bang/2ne1/snsd/super junior days 😂
One of the songs you hadn’t heard before but liked (Blood, Sweat, and Tears by BTS) is actually beautifully done and I think if you listen to it, watch the music video and then look at a video where people explain all the “hidden” aspects of the song because it had soo much even just in the background and it was beautiful. From the lines RM says to the paintings and feast, everything in the video pretty much means something. It got me into kpop and I was surprised learning everything about it.
Kpop in real kpop stan world isn't just bts obviously, there are LOTS of groups and hits that are still hits even if they aren't listened in the usa, it's no surprise they don't appear more, they have hits but this is more realistic if you really wanna know kpop as a whole
yep and "I'm a flying butterfly" which is I think a little old korean band song even became popular in UK, correct me if I'm wrong though. >>I wish he played the opening of I wait in jae's part.
Lmao, true. It is quite triggering if people generalize everything about K-pop, when I just dedicated a big part of my childhood to SNSD, f(x), EXO, Wonder Girls, 2NE1, BIGBANG, and Super Junior.
true but they forgot the most legendary songs such as i need u,run,spring day,danger.... and remember it's not armys' fault that people think kpop is BTS
Funny how they excluded BTS in K-pop before but now that they made a name in the west, people keep on saying it's not only BTS and BTS didn't pave the way for other groups, like obviously yes there's those legendary groups who made it to the west but it's only when BTS became known in the west, the kpop became mainstream there.
I definitely think that Joel should listen to a bunch of critically acclaimed J-pop artists like Yoasobi, LISA, Kenshi Yonezu, etc. I mean Japan's the 2nd biggest music industry in the world, so I'm sure they're significant enough to react to :)
@@fin09987 Dude like why are acting like such a jerk its his opinion and it doesn't concern you, you should really respect other people's opinions and not just throw all your garbage onto somebody else
I literally knew all of the songs. I agree that the production value etc. went up SO MUCH and that's a great thing!! I still love the old songs even if some of them are a bit "outdated" now, they're still fun. and isn't it the same with other older music and music videos as well? :D
Right?? The only song nationally banned on SAT day bc it's too catchy😂😂 shinee is the reason dancing is such an intense aspect of most groups now too😢 first group to use complex coreo instead of catchy, easy to follow style
actually most backgrounds for kpop music videos are real, not green screen. They’re all really cool and and look like it would just be green screen but if you watch the behind the scenes for shooting the music videos, they show the actual set
@@martakolo yeah but this isn’t a “biggest songs” compilation, it’s one for the most iconic songs (I’m pretty sure) so the bts songs deserve to be there lol
I also have an underlying guilty pleasure for this song without knowing why or how this happened. I had my phone on shuffle plugged into my car just yesterday and Gangnam Style came on (I have the oddest range of genres and also would never plug my phone into any open DJ at a party as it could be worse when I have Gangnam Style, then Negro y Azul from the introduction of a breaking bad episode of which I know all words to in Spanish as well as now a few Narco style songs which is niche, then on comes Locuste Iste 4 part Latin voca harmony from before the 20th century next, yes all words are also known due to it being an academic study piece for me but I love it) but the Gangnam shuffle hit me and I was not mad in the slightest. I was just as much my 19 college self loving this bop ten years on, then followed Georgia by Ray Charles and as much as I love, it did bring down my hyper bopping driving to Gangnam at full blast. It’s an unironically bop and I hate it because I cannot explain why it hits so hard but it’s also so so bad! It’s just a sweet spot for me too!
@Tauhida Nabila These songs are pretty recent tho the video ended in early 2018. I'd say stuff like i need u by bts, mirotic by tvxq, spring day by bts, at least a boA, IU or Rain song, Growl by EXO....ect
No kidding!! Just so many that they missed out on especially Red Velvet, Blackpink, Twice, Mamamoo, Momoland, Loona, Dreamcatcher, GFriend, (G) I-DLE, Sunmi, IU, BTS, Stray Kids, and many more Groups and Soloists as well!
Just wanted to share my favourite k pop songs that weren't there if anyone might be interested Sorry for spam ~ Txt - run away Key - one of those nights, good good Taemin- move, want, criminal Mamamoo - egoistical Enhypen - given-taken Shinee - attention, atlantis Bts-pied piper, fake love Edit:some other great songs Enhypen - Fever Shinee - I really want you, Code, Kind, Countless, Marry you Minho - im home Txt - Ghosting Day6 - im serious
What struck me was how few of the songs he knew. Also, the selection was quite hit or miss and he rarely if ever got the context. Nothing “Ultimate” here. For example, while he got GG’s Into the New World, for example, he didn’t understand its significance. He got Exid’s Up and Down, but not the famous Hari fan-cam that launched the fan-cam craze (and saved, more than saved, Exid’s career). There are certainly fans who like, say, Twice or Itzy better than BP, but he really should have emphasized BP’s overwhelming recent dominance as a group and as soloists, matched only by BTS. He missed or underplayed top soloists, such as IU or Sunmi, who, by the way, write many of their own songs. Quite a few of the songs were from early in the groups’ careers, which didn’t let them shine or show their progress. I agree with the comments that KPop is a broad tent, it’s like calling all U.S. popular music USPop. All in all, a mediocre and not very informative piece of work, and that’s leaving aside my mild distaste for the occasionally snarky tone.
@Eman ik dude, but we gotta stay hopeful skdkks no i mean they were meant to play at a live event, but covid happened, now it's confirmed that GD is working on songs and they resigned their contracts 👉🏻👈🏻
Joel keeps saying that the mv production was mostly in green screen when in fact kpop actually makes these huge sets, props and set pieces for their artist. Joel should watch how kpop artists debuts or even come backs in music bank and inkigayo and be amazed with their special stages EVERY. WEEK! Kpop may sound dated but their dang production looks like they're having a concert every performance. PS: I'm just happy that 2NE1 is in this list. * *crying in blackjack tears** *
@@bloodysavage Also the reason why Kpop blew up and became massive. They really pay attention to the small details, even a tiny detail lol. And the meaning behind their MV, I always saw conspiracy video chuchu something like that here on YT. 😆
Iconic. I've always play that song whenever we ran out of song to sing in karaoke so we have more time of choosing. (That was very long time ago, the DVDs with karaoke CD now is kinda new, I don't think they still include those old songs🤔)
YAS! I remembered when I was just 6 or 7 years old I think? Or maybe younger than that, I always hear it playing in our car and it's like my morning routine to dance with that song. It's very iconic! :)))
"this doesnt sound like kpop" Me: ????? Its because the kpop you know is when a lot of celebrities has move to a more hip hop/hard sounding (theybare following trend) Kpop does not have a specific sound. Its broader than whatever westeners know. There are pop-ish songs, ballad, hip hop, electronic, rock. There are groups that do retro concept, girlish concept (those you says sound like jpop), rock band etcu
The fact that kpop its just pop but with rap parts and mostly korean lyrics. (thats what you listen but of course kpop have Choreography, visuals, culture etc...)
he never actually set kpop in a genre he just said that kpop has a unique style with its awesome choreographies and amazing music videos and visuals. he was looking for these kind of qualities and with it the sound of the music in general
I have a feeling Joel would like Shinee if he checked out their music more thoroughly. They have some iconic songs that I wish were in this and they've been in the game for so long.
SHINee are extremely talented performers too. And the members' solo music is great. I think Joel should check out Taemin's work as I think he would enjoy it.
YES! I'VE BEEN A FAN OF JOEL SINCE THE START OF 2021, I ALWAYS WANTED HIM TO REACT ON KPOP SINCE HE IS REALLY GOOD IN COMMENTARY. GLAD HE DID THIS. HOPING HE WOULD REACT TO BTS SONGS AND EVOLUTION SOON. 😭✊
I was more into kpop when I was in high school/college around the early 2000s or late 90s. I liked H.O.T., Shinhwa (still does some stuff today), Click-B. Baek Ji Young was cool coz she was doing a lotta fusions especially with salsa. Lee Jung Hyun had a lot of techno ish music and was trying to do a think where she put the mic (when not lipsyncing) on her pinky and danced like that. Then I'm a fan of rock and technoish stuff so I loved a lot of stuff that Moon Hee Jun did. I've been away for a long time and when I was trying to make a demo my producer got me into Brown Eyed Girls. I was complaining to him about how some newer groups were copying older groups and he admitted he helped with one of those as well. Now I'm starting to come back with BTS and Black Pink
Idk, to me bending over in a short skirt and flashing my vag is a bit more risqué than showing my bellybutton or my boobs, lol, i don't think vag-flashing should be considered conservative or innocent.
@@RoxanneLavender Well, they do have to wear those safeshorts when performing in very short outfits, even when it's a very short pair of shorts. So they're not really at the risk of flashing themselves like that, although, yes, you can risk flashing more of your safeshort than what is maybe already peeking out from your outfit. (The safeshorts, as I call them, are a pair of black shorts that dancers use when performing. It isn't just something kpop idols use.)
I also wasnt expecting it to end in 2018. So many revolutionary kp Op songs and artists cam out in 2019-present. Such as Stray kids(2018), itzy, txt, aespa, enhypen, everglow, weeekly, stayc, ect.
@@soggy_snale3038 majority of the groups you mentioned haven't done anything that big yet? Aespa, weeekly and stayc have had like one comeback max, enhypen also just debuted a while ago. Itzy, txt and skz at least have a stable career
This is basically a 'try not to get offended' for old school kpop fans 😭 Edit: I think a lot of people misunderstood my comment. I'm not mad at him or anything 😂 ngl the video hurts a bit to watch but this comment was supposed to be a joke😅
Yes...very very hard. Seems so rude. Please hope he never reacts to 90s and early 2000s kpop. Ugh. It's not funny. It's rude to compare the music of another country to yours.
i'm old school kpop fan, but I don't see any reason to get offended. When I was a kid I listened to pussycat dolls and 50 cent, something I would never listen to today because as a grownup that music doesn't seem that good anymore, and I wouldn't listen to the old kpop either aside from a few songs. You know, people also feel nostalgic about the Soviet Union, but Soviet Union was still a shitty place to live. Just because you're a fan of something, being mad that somebody doesn't like it as much as you and says it out loud is stupid. Emotional overreactions are not cute.
As a kpop fan I'm slightly disappointed that this list only goes to 2018 since there's so many iconic songs recently but I'm happy he finally did a whole video about kpop! Also Joel if you do this again PLEASE include ateez & stray kids I feel like quite a few of their songs are iconic.
imagine Joel listening God's menu :D That could be fun... Or Pirate king, Answer, Fireworks... Eh. But I think it's quite hard to say it's iconic bcs it's still new.
The video missed Superhuman by just a few months 😭 and I think it's safe to say God's Menu and Kick It are already iconic even tho it's been just 1 year lmfao. I mentioned in another comment tho, they didn't include VERY NICE and Move, like c'mon...
I've only listened to a bit of K-pop in my time (my go-to Asian music style is kawaii metal) but is it a K-pop thing to call good songs "iconic"? Because, as good as some of these songs might be, I don't know if something that's 5 years old can be considered iconic
That song blew up in the Philippines because of this certain loveteam called AlDub. They were massive, become the most tweeted in Twitter in that time lol.
You cant deny the fact that The K-Pop artists creating such edgy , catchy , dansable , viby music for a decade or more .. And Ya'll never get bore of them . Thanks Joel for discovering such great music .
well i'm sure it will end one day and only 3-4 artists (mainly bands) will age normally Kind of like what happened to rock But it is still better to witness k-pop's rise live than witnessing it on youtube or whatever there is the future
@@harshaggarwal1918 I don't think so. Kpop combines many genres and goes with the time. Just like pop music, it will match the time's spirit and thus won't get outdated. Kpop will evolve and be formed with the trends, it's not going to stay one thing. I mean that's also basically what the video has just proven lol
@@eileenskof4926 let's see what happens... I believe only parts of K-Pop music will age and majority of it will die and there was one time when everyone believed that rock music will live on forever but now most of it has died If you disagree I totally understand your point and there is nothing we both can do to tell the future
@@YourFoodIsBland agree bro but my point is that everything ends one day and I think K-Pop artists wouldn't be remembered as some rock bands like The Beatles or some pop artists... If you want them to age better your fanbase needs to mature because no matter how much facts you spit everybody considers your fanbase as a bunch of 13-14 year olds
I'm findings this late, but it makes me sad that there is so much cultural context missing from this! Those songs by Wonder Girls at the very beginning were crazy popular in Korea at the time exactly BECAUSE they sounded old fashioned during a time when most Korean music trends were chasing more of the Western pop sound and literally no one in mainstream Korean music had that sound. Also, this is entirely missing the 90s Kpop scene which makes me so sad because 90s boy bands and girl groups are the OGs who started all of this. And yes... they'll sound more like old Western pop too because it was literally just "pop" music that was made for normal Koreans who couldn't understand or speak English. Also, a lot of those Kpop songs from long time ago were also produced by Western artists...
i just think it's jyp. disco seems to be his kind of thing as seen in his own mv and twice. also nobody was pretty big. they tried breaking out in america and kind of failed like snsd and boa. but honestly laid the road down for psy and bts. i remember seeing posters of their first us concert when i was in college
I feel groups like Shinhwa, G.O.D, H.O.T, Sechs Kies, Fly to the sky and S.E.S were sorta the original kpop groups. Tvxq, super junior and girls generation came later. I also feel its a bit weird (tho I understand that Joel says it) when he calls kpop Japanese influenced, when jpop got heavily influenced by Korean pop during the tvxq and girls generation era 😊
YES YES YESSSSS! Yes to all of what yinz are saying. I was thinking the same things! H.O.T. is my #1 favorite & I hoped it'd be in this video. BOA & Shinhwa were high on my list as well. But I was in love w Moon Hee Jun from H.O.T., total fan girl lol.
Dear Roomie, Kpop is not only an amazing production + big vocal packages + edgy harmonnies. There is a loooot more stuff to consider, and even kpop has different subcategories: the cute, the sexy, the cool, the badass hahaha it's like general pop! Not everything has to sound like BTS to be considered kpop (even BTS has a wide range of different styles)
The thing is that the point of calling it K-pop is because it's not a genre but just popular music in Korea, it is an umbrella term and actually has so many genres under it. Of course the most popular especially as an export is idol music(boy groups, girl groups, few co-ed groups, soloists that usually came from groups...) but there are also bands, r&b artists, indie artists, rap artists and etc. but the idol groups themselves always experiment with different genres. On the other hand I think that the most popular for the Korean general public are actually ballad singers and trot singers but they aren't really included in the term K-pop as they are considered musicians and not idols in South Korea and they aren't really an export of the Hallyu wave. That's why a lot of the songs sound outdated or J-pop to you but they are actually just doing their own thing; they are often following the trends in the west but always adding their own flavor be it the nostalgic sound of past decades(11:36 Wonder Girls literaly had the retro concept from their debut in 2007 they did the 90s,80s,60s...) or the J-pop feel(old Gfriend songs always had that fairytale and anime sound to me). Maybe 1st gen K-pop and some 2nd gen songs could really be outdated but half of the things mentioned in the video as outdated was made like that on purpose. K-pop is all about concepts, each comeback is different but the point is to still have a signature sound of the group/soloist. One comeback you could have a hard-hitting EDM song about partying with an empty drop chorus and the next you could get an upbeat breakup song that is mainly vocal driven. Kpop is a lot of things not just BTS and Blackpink.
@@sophiam.krager3815 Exactly, listening to their bsides you can find a variety of genres. But sadly non-fans will still think BTS and BP are the pinnacle of kpop while there's so many high quality groups with great songs
Right, I grew up on 1 gen & 2 gen kpop and him saying it's doesn't sound like kpop had me rolling. Lol 🤣SMH He needs to broaden his kpop distography before claiming something "doesn't sound like kpop"
5:53 I remember when everyone I knew was vibing to gangnamstyle and I was listening to this .... onestly though gangnamstyle has a place in my heart lol
@@Purple_Hearted_Izzy17 the line in timber "im yelling timber" the rhythm sounds exactly like the beginning of love scenario only with different pitches on the beats
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the biggest misconception is when people think kpop is a genre. not every korean song is kpop. the range of genre is still present in korea the same way it is in the west.
Koop is Pop music in the Korean language
Yes, Kpop has changed over the years just like western pop. It hurt me when he said the older sounds didntnsound like kpop. Back then that is exactly how pop sounded. It changes with time
My definition of kpop is Korean songs that are sang by idols.
it's not just "korean song" because there's a lot other korean singers that are not idols.
I agree, but I will say that they do have a certain style that western music can’t replicate. And that, I love.
@@Shay45 Kpop is actually not. It is Idol Music. It encorporates every genre of music from pop to hip hop to EDM and ballad.
The thing about Kpop is that it’s basically just a massive umbrella term with loads of combinations of genres like both rock bands and cutesy girl groups would be considered Kpop
Exactly!
But it is still so similar like i can do transition b/w songs but won't notice the difference in the song
YES
Hmm... Spitting facts 🥰
@@GoodBoy-nx3oy Nah mate the only thing you can transition is the real k-"pop" ones you cant make the transition in the other genres such as hiphop,rock,rock ballad,ballad etc. They are not similar at all. Poppy ones are overused and usually similar to each other so exactly like nowadays pop.
13:00 fun fact: Kard is one of only two true boy-girl kpop groups to have debuted in years, Akmu, a sibling duo, being the other
Yes. Agree.
There are a couple co-ed groups but kard is the most famous one
no?? there's literally Troublemaker, Triple H and Checkmate. The last one debuted very recently and the other two was before KARD
@@sungmin7723 that's why I said true group. Triple H have been inactive for a few years now, the members focusing on their other group/solo career and Troublemaker has been said to have disbanded. I hadn't heard of Checkmate but it seems like they're still trying to figure out who's going to be in the group or not
@@jeonginsdolphinscream checkmate has a fixed lineup^^. i think i misinterpreted your comment because i thought you said that kard is the only co ed group that debuted, my bad.
The way he laughed at ring ding dong not knowing it had to be banned temp from radio for being addictive haha
Ok lol the lyrics r still funny 😂😂
Love secnario went through a similar situation
literally !!! its such an addicting song
Its so addictive
@@ooriginalkawaipotato3840 babeeeeee
Its funny because Shinee's Ring Ding Dong was one of the biggest revolutionary changes in kpop.
EXACTLY!!!!!
It’s funny cuz he doesn’t care
yeah
Really? Never heard of it
@@alpacaparka1686 its not possible for every person to know this song so it makes sense
13:45 It's certainly not inspire by Sam Smith. It's the soundtrack of a Kdrama called 'Goblin'. Everyone knows that song even if they haven't watched it. So many artists have covered it or danced to it. It's iconic.
That was actually one of only three songs I didn't know...
@@Busha69 And here I am, being one of those peoples who listens to it regularly but never actually watched the show XD
Also, it's such a generic title as well. I mean, come on, it's not a super specific word or phrase XD
Most of the Goblin soundtrack is iconic. Same eith the soundtrack for Scarlet Heart
It's literally my favorite song 😍😍
5:34 “this is when the music style started to krystalize a little bit.”
little does he know he just made a pun good job
I-
Lol
a very good pun😏
Literally my thoughts hahahhaha
I thought he knew what he was doing but no
Lol
Most MVs are not filmed on green screen. They do make a lot of effort in creating backdrops and making the aesthetic.
I knoww, tht's why mv making is so cool
No idea how there is no "Growl" in it when it was the most iconic song in 2013.
for real I've been thinking that throughout the video
Tbh there are a bunch of iconic songs not included. I was completely waiting for Devil by Suju to show up, since it was literally the song that made them be the first ever kpop group to win Teen Choice Award.
FR
Legit is one of my fav pop songs to this day and is on my work out playlist.
Or TVXQ “Mirrortic,” H.O.T. “Candy,” SES “Cause I’m your girl,” SHINee “Sherlock”
there are just so many
actually kpop is just a bunch of genres mixed together
People are just used to calling "the whole korean music industry'' K-pop.
Anyway,happy that you watched this video!
Actually, it is the opposite. K-pop is traditionally defined as a genre that is a collection of genres, which is absurd. Now, it is more appropriately defined as the industry or the idol culture itself because every K-pop song is still can be classified as actual genres hip-hop, r&b, electro, dance, rock, etc. K-pop is basically the pop of Korea.
Joel: ...in a language they don’t understand
also Ailee: being American and speaking English
I think he meant Korean being a language that most Western ppl don't understand
the song wasn't lol
I was looking for this comment
Early-mids 2010 kpop was the most iconic for me. I also find that what Joel thinks is "Jpop-esque" is what I associate as more traditional Kpop.
Dreamcatcher is definetly more Japan esque. Especially with Deja vu
Full Korean here! Just wanted to maybe help your confusion, Joel. KPop is not actually a genre - it encapsulates many genres such as pop, hip-hop, trot, etc. That is why there are so many different types and why you maybe think things don’t sound “KPop”.
The problem is that internationally, people got habituated to associating K-pop with BTS and BP songs, therefore they expect every other korean song to be just as heavily beat based, 'energetic', autotuney and with good production.
I like that you're clearing it up for Joel and the others, but they can't exactly change how they perceive K-pop.
Yes!!! !!!
Bro I feel you cuz im korean and when I asked what's ur favorite genre they say k pop
This needs to be upvoted more! I hate how people assume Kpop to be a general pop genre for some reason. KPOP is a brand and not everything has to have a specific sound lol
G DRAGON THE KING FOREVER LOVE LOVE
Roomie: I dont know any if these
*meanwhile kpop stans singing every song*
BTS FANS: Where's the Kpop video
Roomie: You see with my busy schedule and all... *I've been tryna find a way to make it work. Just for you. Yeah just for you!!! I've been tryna find a way to make it hurt less for ME* XDD
Like literally hahahaha
True mmm monke
So true
Thats literally me.
Song: “put your hands up, P-P-put your hands up”
Joel: “this Sounds A little more like western music, just in another language right now”
Me as a Kpop Stan: “bro, that’s English”
Pfft
Dam you made me laugh at that one lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was thinking of the same thing XD
That's the legendary 2pm y'all
I felt kind of bad for only recognizing like three songs from before 2013 but I’m still pretty new to K-pop and I knew most of the songs and/or groups from after that
"The word we have in Korea for K-Pop is 'Gaio.' And I guess it's a huge umbrella term. Basically it's like saying Coldplay and Kanye West, or Eminem and Celine Dion, are the same genre." - TABLO
YAAAAS DEFINITELY
Period. Stan TABLO to be more intellectual.
just like what yoongi said kpop is an industry rather than just a genre
It was funny how a lot of these songs were the true "kpop" sound and he thought it wasn't kpop-ish enough 😂
He wasn't familiar a lot compare to veteran fans.
He says "true kpop" to the more original songs and sounds, bc most of the old songs were leaning more to the old west genres, when now the bigger and new kpop artists each has a more original concept and sounds
right 😭
Now all kpop kinds sounds like western.. not what it used to be..
@@imawonderful6118 Well it's not their fault, they have to adapt to the Western music to them recognise worldwide.
As an asian who grew up listening to all these songs, this is basically just a Nostalgic Songs video lolol
indeed
Im a
Half filipino and half korean
🇵🇭🇰🇷
But i haven't been to korea
Since i was 5 or 6
I'm mexican but 2009 k-pop was my childhood
Yeah, some of em i was suprised it's k-pop. Back then, I was just vibing without knowing the song from
fr i’m disappointed they didn’t have more from my “era” which is 2011 ish...
roomie i dare you to listen to stray kids
you will be shocked
recommendations: gods menu, thunderous, maniac, case 143 and back door
yes plss
Joel said “This is when the music style has starting to CRYSTALLISED” at 5:33 and then we have Krystal from the group f(x) singing in the center
SAME REACTION!
Yeah. Relateable. Hahaha.
G DRAGON VERY CUTE MY KING G DRAGON
Seems a little crazy that TVXQ's Mirotic and EXO's Growl are missing if we're talking about sound influence...
Agree!
was there even a tvxq song in there? must have missed it
fr mirotic is iconic
Tbh 100 isn’t enough tho. Mr. Chu, LUV we’re missing even tho APink broke records and got more popular with does songs
@Tauhida Nabila it ended at 2019, both love shot and fancy were form 2019
He keeps saying "oh this doesn't sound like kpop, kpop sounds like this" first of all kpop doesn't just have one sound to it. Kpop is basically a bunch of different genres mixed in it such as rap, vocal, dance and, pop. Some groups may have the girl crush theme such as 2ne1, fx or, blackpink and others may seem more cute and soft such as twice or gfriend.
Also some includes latin influences, like airplane pt 2 or classical themes like black swan
As he said he doesn’t know much about kpop so it’s only normal for him to different expectations
how would he know... lmao why r u expecting him to know everything abt kpop
"I'm too old and ace for this" same, Roomie, same
Kpop isnt just one genre it's more of an umbrella term. all of those sounds like the more bad ass stuff, the rock stuff or the cutesie stuff is all kpop thats what makes it so special!
most esp if they want more Rock-ish Group, they'll literally need to Stan G-friend if they want softer side and Dreamcatcher if they want on the harder side
You get it
YES!!!
I've listened to kpop since about 2009 and everyone thought I was a weirdo for listening to it because it wasn't in English. I was just living in the future.
sameeeee
Honestly. Now it's "cool" or "acceptable". All the years of being made fun at in school 😭
Same. People just looked confused if I told them because they didn't even know what K-pop meant. I stopped listening pretty much after 2ne1 disbanded though and I started seeing how toxic the industry as a whole is so I never got to experience it being popular and I dont know any newer stuff.
@@catherinegonzalez4295 trust me, people are still made fun of for liking kpop
OMG ME TOO!!! Exactly the same story! :D
i don't think joel understands that kpop isn't a genre but type of music that has genre's under it.
Of course if he reacted 90s & 2000s kpop he doesn't know about it.
o.o
he certainly doesn t know kpop if he says " I aM 3% KpOp "
Um kpop ofc is pop it has multiple different types of pop but actually it also is a genre and he most likely didn't know that kpop can be like the west where it's many genres because kpop is mostly famous for its certain sound genre which is sounds like dna and ddu-ddu and it's now actually officially considered a genre lol
Yea
I'm not a kpop fan, I don't follow much, but I absolutely LOVE exo's songs. I don't listen to so many songs of any other group...
Monster, Love shot, Tempo, Call me baby, Ko ko Bop, Overdose
I was shocked when Joel didn't know about BIGBANG's songs
So was I because I am pretty sure Dave knows Big Bang and they have been friends for so long lol
fr lmao
Majority of people around the world still don't know BigBang.
Ikr
Sry bt before bts kpop wasnt so well recognized in many countries including mine...
I got to discover kpop only after bts ...
Given that too the impact of BB in shaping kpop industry is impeccable.
I'm a huge Blackpink fan, but I wish more people would go back and listen to the groups that made Kpop. I've been listening to it since maybe 2008 and my first group was TVXQ.
What really i am born in 2009 what is your age
@@nviscalling4696 i was born in 1993
@@heathermurrie268 oh
@@nviscalling4696 u were Born when 2NE1 just debuted 😭
@@queenlin yeah ik but i can't stan them when i am only 1 or 2 months 🤣🤣
I'm amazed Joel didn't pause at 7th Sense... even 5 years later it's still incredibly different from any other kpop song and one of the most iconic debuts ever.
when you were there since tvxq debut era, you kinda automatically knew almost all of them (98%+ at least) xD i practically grew up with them and have seen the slowly growth of the k-pop. back then those songs were soooo dang good (and still are) it was so nostalgic when hearing them again in order of year like this sobs. of course i don't agree with all of what you've said here in the video but it's understandable from both side.
for most of the times you say its green screen.. its actually a real set. they really are serious in making gigantic sets which always baffles me.. they only use green screen when there is a really difficult fantasy theme .. but when it comes to gigantic cube dance floor they actually do it in a big studio..
Well, that's super cool. I didn't know that
And a good example is BTS fake love behind the scenes
@@miejakobsen6733 true
weird that BTS's I Need U (2015) wasn't there. that song led them on a more international pathway, it was the song of the year and was known as one of the best songs in K-pop history, there was an article about it. but BTS's blood sweat and tears was there, that song was literally another kpop song of the year. but BTS still wasn't mainstream until 2016-2017 ish
Or Boy With Love. That one was big. Though I guess it was 2019 and they stopped at 2018 sooo... Hehe. Sorry
"I need u" and "fire" were the songs that started bts' success in Korea (their first album daesang) and then "blood sweat and tears" led them to be famous internationally (especially with their bbma nomination) and then "dna" stabled the popularity!
Well..maybe He didn't know
"When kpop starts sounding like THE kpop" - and then there's us old fans who miss the times when kpop was more diverse while also having eras with specific Western influences (the 2015-ish tropical house was everywhere, even in kpop, but there were dozens of other music styles as well).
Kpop is not just well-produced electronic music with great choreo, it's the pop-rock Dreamcatcher or Day6, it's amazing vocalists like IU and Mamamoo, the cute GFriend and Twice pop, the powerful B.A.P. and old BTS, the experimental Orange Caramel and Big Bang, the retro Infinite and T-ARA...
K-pop has had milions of fans internationally before BTS and Blackpink exactly because it had a specific flavor, but it was also as diverse or even more diverse than Western music. I mean TVXQ had entered the Guinness World record for the biggest fanclub of 800k (I think) before BTS and Blackpink even existed (not dissing them, just comparing time-wise).
@🌴𝘒𝘰𝘬𝘰𝘣𝘰𝘱🌴 i started kpop around 2012 and im obessesed with artists from the 90s to know, everyone has different flavours and style, and mamamoo are my fave girl group with 2ne1,
Shinee is also a very experimental group with amazing vocalists! Definitely recommend if you don't Stan.
YASS. I actually started casually listening to SNSD since October 2011, and early 2013, I completely fell down the K-POP rabbit hole. 2Ne1, then BIGBANG, then AFTER SCHOOL and then *goes on rambling about groups and how I slowly evolved into a multi-stan girl group supremacist*
Yessss!!! Actually I don't listen to newer kpop now since I find it too westernized? Or maybe I'm just getting old and miss the old big bang/2ne1/snsd/super junior days 😂
YES! THIS EXACTLY! Can we be best friends? xD
One of the songs you hadn’t heard before but liked (Blood, Sweat, and Tears by BTS) is actually beautifully done and I think if you listen to it, watch the music video and then look at a video where people explain all the “hidden” aspects of the song because it had soo much even just in the background and it was beautiful. From the lines RM says to the paintings and feast, everything in the video pretty much means something. It got me into kpop and I was surprised learning everything about it.
One of the most ethereal pre-choruses in kpop. ^^ Before going str8 to that iconic chorus.
AndIdieforthelyricism omggg
As a non K-Pop fan, I'm surprised I heard almost a quarter of the songs shown in this video...
Haha me too
I guess it’s because of my dad
He used to play kpop when I was little
I only got 10%
I Got 15%
@@kirstenchiu3823 your dad is awesome (and not at all because i'm doing the same thing to my kids 😂😂)
Kpop in real kpop stan world isn't just bts obviously, there are LOTS of groups and hits that are still hits even if they aren't listened in the usa, it's no surprise they don't appear more, they have hits but this is more realistic if you really wanna know kpop as a whole
yeah kpop has lots of bops that deserve more recognition around the world
yep and "I'm a flying butterfly" which is I think a little old korean band song even became popular in UK, correct me if I'm wrong though.
>>I wish he played the opening of I wait in jae's part.
Lmao, true. It is quite triggering if people generalize everything about K-pop, when I just dedicated a big part of my childhood to SNSD, f(x), EXO, Wonder Girls, 2NE1, BIGBANG, and Super Junior.
true
but they forgot the most legendary songs such as i need u,run,spring day,danger....
and remember it's not armys' fault that people think kpop is BTS
Funny how they excluded BTS in K-pop before but now that they made a name in the west, people keep on saying it's not only BTS and BTS didn't pave the way for other groups, like obviously yes there's those legendary groups who made it to the west but it's only when BTS became known in the west, the kpop became mainstream there.
Kpop uses almost no-green screen at all! They are built scenarios for the music videos... that´s been for ages
I was today years old when I learned Joel's ace. (The ring not being on his middle finger threw me off.) This is the representation we deserve. 😌
I don’t know if I should be proud of myself or ashamed that I know all of those songs
Always proud
I know all of them too, so...
Proud ofc 💅😌
Proud, like me rn
U SHOULD BE PROUD!!!
11:14 "i'm too old and ace for this"
i felt that so hard
Literally just stopped the video and was like “hold up did I hear that right 👀” Very relatable
Honestly same
I didn't even catch it! Glad I went looking through the commetns after watching the video
Same, I thought I misheard him at first when I felt summoned by the word "ace"-
Yeah I didn't know he was ace. It makes sense why I agree with him on the sexual stuff now though. 😆
I definitely think that Joel should listen to a bunch of critically acclaimed J-pop artists like Yoasobi, LISA, Kenshi Yonezu, etc. I mean Japan's the 2nd biggest music industry in the world, so I'm sure they're significant enough to react to :)
Shut it
You have sick nasty TH-cam taste Ron my dude
@@justinquan9963 don't care
@@fin09987 Dude like why are acting like such a jerk its his opinion and it doesn't concern you, you should really respect other people's opinions and not just throw all your garbage onto somebody else
I LOOOOOVE Jpop soo much! :D
I literally knew all of the songs. I agree that the production value etc. went up SO MUCH and that's a great thing!! I still love the old songs even if some of them are a bit "outdated" now, they're still fun. and isn't it the same with other older music and music videos as well? :D
oh my god i cannot believe you did shinee like that, ring ding dong is AN ANTHEM
It's an anthem in Korea but it's old so it's understandable.
its basically our anthem xD
Right?? The only song nationally banned on SAT day bc it's too catchy😂😂 shinee is the reason dancing is such an intense aspect of most groups now too😢 first group to use complex coreo instead of catchy, easy to follow style
PERIOD
You can never trust a kpop fan/stan who doesn’t know sorry sorry by super junior
Love your profile😺😎
@@phoenix-ro7cb haha thank you 😂💜
@@phoenix-ro7cb mee too
@@Aarohisaxena123 🤣💜borahae
@@Ninni2ne1 ✨💜😂
actually most backgrounds for kpop music videos are real, not green screen. They’re all really cool and and look like it would just be green screen but if you watch the behind the scenes for shooting the music videos, they show the actual set
I am 47% Kpop and I feel very proud 😂
Loved the video, I had fun going through it with you!
I low key thought BTS would show up in 2013 with "No More Dream" or at least "I Need U" in 2015 :'D
Yeah, when he said "now we're gonna start getting BTS", my brain just went "Bish, BTS debuted in 2013, keep up"
BTS wasn't that big in 2013 they got more hate then love in those years.. if you know you know:)
run , boy in love , not today
Right or at least Spring Day...
@@martakolo yeah but this isn’t a “biggest songs” compilation, it’s one for the most iconic songs (I’m pretty sure) so the bts songs deserve to be there lol
You did this video for the KPop fans, now it's time to try out JPop, do it for us weebs
Yes😳 i want that
Yeees
YES
I feel weebs like J-rock more than J-pop tbh
Yes we all want that... But J-rock will be good also
I'm happy mamamoo made him reach the keyboard
I know right im so happy
Mamamoo has a great discography! I love it when they get the attention they deserve!
samee my moomoo heart is so happy
I listened to Gangnam Style on repeat for over an hour once and I regret nothing.
I also have an underlying guilty pleasure for this song without knowing why or how this happened. I had my phone on shuffle plugged into my car just yesterday and Gangnam Style came on (I have the oddest range of genres and also would never plug my phone into any open DJ at a party as it could be worse when I have Gangnam Style, then Negro y Azul from the introduction of a breaking bad episode of which I know all words to in Spanish as well as now a few Narco style songs which is niche, then on comes Locuste Iste 4 part Latin voca harmony from before the 20th century next, yes all words are also known due to it being an academic study piece for me but I love it) but the Gangnam shuffle hit me and I was not mad in the slightest. I was just as much my 19 college self loving this bop ten years on, then followed Georgia by Ray Charles and as much as I love, it did bring down my hyper bopping driving to Gangnam at full blast. It’s an unironically bop and I hate it because I cannot explain why it hits so hard but it’s also so so bad! It’s just a sweet spot for me too!
Same!
That compilation was missing way too many iconic songs.
@Tauhida Nabila i don't think those were even out when this video was made
@Tauhida Nabila These songs are pretty recent tho the video ended in early 2018. I'd say stuff like i need u by bts, mirotic by tvxq, spring day by bts, at least a boA, IU or Rain song, Growl by EXO....ect
meanwhile me waiting for queen pretty u: 🗿
No kidding!! Just so many that they missed out on especially Red Velvet, Blackpink, Twice, Mamamoo, Momoland, Loona, Dreamcatcher, GFriend, (G) I-DLE, Sunmi, IU, BTS, Stray Kids, and many more Groups and Soloists as well!
Just wanted to share my favourite k pop songs that weren't there if anyone might be interested
Sorry for spam ~
Txt - run away
Key - one of those nights, good good
Taemin- move, want, criminal
Mamamoo - egoistical
Enhypen - given-taken
Shinee - attention, atlantis
Bts-pied piper, fake love
Edit:some other great songs
Enhypen - Fever
Shinee - I really want you, Code, Kind, Countless, Marry you
Minho - im home
Txt - Ghosting
Day6 - im serious
Damn girl our taste in kpop is so similar
Shawol here
i like all of day6 and stray kids’ songs lol
All of those songs are straight fire 🥵 great taste
That's some good stuff
When almost all of Joel’s K-pop percentage comes from knowing BTS and Blackpink😂😂
because they are the ones who are global artists....
they're very popular currently, so it's not surprising
Well mine too. And a little bit of exo, shinee and bigbang. Like one song from each. I dont lile anymore songs
Can we all ask joel to do part 2 sice alot of the iconic songs were missing
@@TheGamers-od3cb really... i already asked
What struck me was how few of the songs he knew. Also, the selection was quite hit or miss and he rarely if ever got the context. Nothing “Ultimate” here. For example, while he got GG’s Into the New World, for example, he didn’t understand its significance. He got Exid’s Up and Down, but not the famous Hari fan-cam that launched the fan-cam craze (and saved, more than saved, Exid’s career). There are certainly fans who like, say, Twice or Itzy better than BP, but he really should have emphasized BP’s overwhelming recent dominance as a group and as soloists, matched only by BTS. He missed or underplayed top soloists, such as IU or Sunmi, who, by the way, write many of their own songs. Quite a few of the songs were from early in the groups’ careers, which didn’t let them shine or show their progress. I agree with the comments that KPop is a broad tent, it’s like calling all U.S. popular music USPop. All in all, a mediocre and not very informative piece of work, and that’s leaving aside my mild distaste for the occasionally snarky tone.
he didnt make this compilation you know... he's reacting and is upfront that he doesn't know the history or genre.
Hes recating to a compilation he found on yt he didnt research anything prior its pure reaction . Its not that deep
It’s a somber moment when you realize a lot of these groups that had their iconic hits mentioned here are now disbanded :’)
True :"(
RIP Big Bang and 2NE1 T_T
@@Sam20790 Big Bang disbanded?
@@Sam20790 bigbang didn't disband, they have comeback scheduled this year! :D aaaa
@Eman ik dude, but we gotta stay hopeful skdkks no i mean they were meant to play at a live event, but covid happened, now it's confirmed that GD is working on songs and they resigned their contracts 👉🏻👈🏻
Loved that he noticed Mamamoo's song with the chords. Each member of Mamamoo literally has some of the strongest vocalists out of all the Kpop groups.
Not a moomoo but gotta agree ngl👍
Exactly
🥺💜💚im proud as a moomoo
Joel keeps saying that the mv production was mostly in green screen when in fact kpop actually makes these huge sets, props and set pieces for their artist. Joel should watch how kpop artists debuts or even come backs in music bank and inkigayo and be amazed with their special stages EVERY. WEEK! Kpop may sound dated but their dang production looks like they're having a concert every performance.
PS: I'm just happy that 2NE1 is in this list. * *crying in blackjack tears** *
Yes! And those big companies like JYP spend millions of Won to make the MV. I was quite shocked when I learned abt that lol.
@@goonattackmebijj2051 yeah they spend so much money on the aesthetics of everything mv, stage performances, visual etc. Its like kpop trademark
@@bloodysavage Also the reason why Kpop blew up and became massive. They really pay attention to the small details, even a tiny detail lol. And the meaning behind their MV, I always saw conspiracy video chuchu something like that here on YT. 😆
this is me coming back awhile later to this video after getting into skz. It's crazy how many more of the names I recognize now, its so cool!
2nd gen fans: "So you have chosen death."
I'm not even a 2nd Gen Fans, but I love them... but bruh... his reaction is just so triggering and disappointing...
same totz
@@warmthhh bruh that's literally the local humor lol
Yeah
Ι am kpoper only 3 years but I love old kpop songs I miss this era
That Nobody by Wonder Girls was so big here in the Philippines. I still hear that song on the radio every Thursdays.
Iconic.
I've always play that song whenever we ran out of song to sing in karaoke so we have more time of choosing. (That was very long time ago, the DVDs with karaoke CD now is kinda new, I don't think they still include those old songs🤔)
I think that song is popular in Asia in general
YAS! I remembered when I was just 6 or 7 years old I think? Or maybe younger than that, I always hear it playing in our car and it's like my morning routine to dance with that song. It's very iconic! :)))
Yeah. I never realized it was korean until i got into kpop
@@RyanXander06 Very. (Taiwanese here😆
"this doesnt sound like kpop"
Me: ?????
Its because the kpop you know is when a lot of celebrities has move to a more hip hop/hard sounding (theybare following trend)
Kpop does not have a specific sound. Its broader than whatever westeners know. There are pop-ish songs, ballad, hip hop, electronic, rock.
There are groups that do retro concept, girlish concept (those you says sound like jpop), rock band etcu
The fact that kpop its just pop but with rap parts and mostly korean lyrics. (thats what you listen but of course kpop have Choreography, visuals, culture etc...)
he never actually set kpop in a genre he just said that kpop has a unique style with its awesome choreographies and amazing music videos and visuals. he was looking for these kind of qualities and with it the sound of the music in general
I didn't like his commentary as well, sounded a bit ignorant to me and narrow minded
@@mariemghanmi8647 Agree
the kpop he knows are basically kpop react videos
I know this is an old video now, but i highly suggest listening to mamamoo, they are vocal queens
16:52 “watched it for science” 😅
**cough cough**
Hahaha Lol!! The memorizing part specially!!!!
*deeeeeeefinatly....* yea
Oh c'mon guys we know he was telling the truth there.. he's an innocent boy.
I watch it for science I love it
I have a feeling Joel would like Shinee if he checked out their music more thoroughly. They have some iconic songs that I wish were in this and they've been in the game for so long.
SHINee are extremely talented performers too. And the members' solo music is great. I think Joel should check out Taemin's work as I think he would enjoy it.
"Mr.simple" "i am the best" "call me baby" "bang bang bang" ARE SO NOSTALGIC
OMG "Fantastic baby" and "MONSTER" TOOOOO
I think he should do an updated one to this year
Idk what Roomie thinks kpop is but all of this is kpop, sound changes over time and it will keep on changing 😌
I feel like since Joel kept comparing these songs to Japan so much he needs to do one of these with JPop
100% agreed!
Yess
Citypop !
Or Japanese pop songs
@@jonaramire uh jpop = Japanese pop
As a kpop fan.......OMG I'M SO HAPPY THIS IS THE BEST DAY EVER
no one cares
@@sabah2870 don’t reply to a comment if you can’t relate to it or if you wanna be rude, thanks
@@sabah2870 why so rude . Chill down
Honestly I wish it had better kpop songs tho 😔 like only a few were actually top amazingness
YES! I'VE BEEN A FAN OF JOEL SINCE THE START OF 2021, I ALWAYS WANTED HIM TO REACT ON KPOP SINCE HE IS REALLY GOOD IN COMMENTARY. GLAD HE DID THIS. HOPING HE WOULD REACT TO BTS SONGS AND EVOLUTION SOON. 😭✊
I was more into kpop when I was in high school/college around the early 2000s or late 90s. I liked H.O.T., Shinhwa (still does some stuff today), Click-B. Baek Ji Young was cool coz she was doing a lotta fusions especially with salsa. Lee Jung Hyun had a lot of techno ish music and was trying to do a think where she put the mic (when not lipsyncing) on her pinky and danced like that. Then I'm a fan of rock and technoish stuff so I loved a lot of stuff that Moon Hee Jun did. I've been away for a long time and when I was trying to make a demo my producer got me into Brown Eyed Girls. I was complaining to him about how some newer groups were copying older groups and he admitted he helped with one of those as well. Now I'm starting to come back with BTS and Black Pink
Joel: (Being 7% K-Pop)
Me: *Knowing all of them, and singing/dancing along to them*
Well yea- you’re a kpop stan
Me: *tries not to be offended by aggressively dancing to all the songs*
okay? Congrats? want a cookie?
@@Dotaroo0 you dont have to be so rude
Dude, same :)
I am so happy a Dreamcatcher song made the list.
Same! Them and DAY6 made the cut 🤩
Yess,I am too,I was so surprised but they totally deserve it😊
Same here, I was hoping they'd be on the list and there they are!
Same for Pentagon
@@justacub3804 PENTAGONNNNN!!!
Joel: so proud of knowing 7 songs
Me; singing along to almost all of them
Ikr
on the same page
True
I know all of them and I am kpop fan not only 3 years
@@sxedit8369 I am a fan since 3 years too.
u should do another one of these videos this year, like an updated version, cos there is a lot more k-pop songs that have come out after 2021.
Korea is a bit more conservative in a lot of things, the "sexy but innocent" is kind of the norm there
Idk, to me bending over in a short skirt and flashing my vag is a bit more risqué than showing my bellybutton or my boobs, lol, i don't think vag-flashing should be considered conservative or innocent.
@@RoxanneLavenderhuh? When did this happed?
@@RoxanneLavender hah?
@@RoxanneLavender Well, they do have to wear those safeshorts when performing in very short outfits, even when it's a very short pair of shorts. So they're not really at the risk of flashing themselves like that, although, yes, you can risk flashing more of your safeshort than what is maybe already peeking out from your outfit. (The safeshorts, as I call them, are a pair of black shorts that dancers use when performing. It isn't just something kpop idols use.)
G DRAGON THE KING G DRAGON
Did that “iconic kpop songs” really just ghost BoA and TVXQ 🤣
Fr! They did them dirty
So disappointed
WHERE IS MIROTIC MAAAAAN
CATCH ME - TVXQ WASNT EVEN ON HERE. THAT IS MY HYPE UP JAM TO THUS DAY!!
omg yes how could they forget mirotic.
When you expect to have Jessie in the compilation but then she got left out -> 😭😭😭
But for real! Also expected more Mamamoo, Shinee, Super Junior and Sistar..
I also wasnt expecting it to end in 2018. So many revolutionary kp Op songs and artists cam out in 2019-present. Such as Stray kids(2018), itzy, txt, aespa, enhypen, everglow, weeekly, stayc, ect.
@@soggy_snale3038 majority of the groups you mentioned haven't done anything that big yet? Aespa, weeekly and stayc have had like one comeback max, enhypen also just debuted a while ago. Itzy, txt and skz at least have a stable career
@@deeznuts4703 thats true. (I was secretly just really waiting for skz cuz they are my ult)
Ikr :(
"im too old and ace for this" put that on a tshirt
This is basically a 'try not to get offended' for old school kpop fans 😭
Edit: I think a lot of people misunderstood my comment. I'm not mad at him or anything 😂 ngl the video hurts a bit to watch but this comment was supposed to be a joke😅
Yes...very very hard. Seems so rude. Please hope he never reacts to 90s and early 2000s kpop. Ugh.
It's not funny. It's rude to compare the music of another country to yours.
yes im offended hahahahahah it was better earlier
i'm old school kpop fan, but I don't see any reason to get offended. When I was a kid I listened to pussycat dolls and 50 cent, something I would never listen to today because as a grownup that music doesn't seem that good anymore, and I wouldn't listen to the old kpop either aside from a few songs. You know, people also feel nostalgic about the Soviet Union, but Soviet Union was still a shitty place to live. Just because you're a fan of something, being mad that somebody doesn't like it as much as you and says it out loud is stupid. Emotional overreactions are not cute.
@@huginug exaclty
Istg
You should check out more of ailee, she’s an incredible vocalist
Amen to this 😩💞
As a kpop fan I'm slightly disappointed that this list only goes to 2018 since there's so many iconic songs recently but I'm happy he finally did a whole video about kpop! Also Joel if you do this again PLEASE include ateez & stray kids I feel like quite a few of their songs are iconic.
That'd be so good 🙏🏻
imagine Joel listening God's menu :D That could be fun... Or Pirate king, Answer, Fireworks... Eh. But I think it's quite hard to say it's iconic bcs it's still new.
The video missed Superhuman by just a few months 😭 and I think it's safe to say God's Menu and Kick It are already iconic even tho it's been just 1 year lmfao. I mentioned in another comment tho, they didn't include VERY NICE and Move, like c'mon...
I've only listened to a bit of K-pop in my time (my go-to Asian music style is kawaii metal) but is it a K-pop thing to call good songs "iconic"? Because, as good as some of these songs might be, I don't know if something that's 5 years old can be considered iconic
Yes please!!!
You should do an updated version but with more artists. There are so many amazing artists
'Fantastic baby' was a big hit song on Asia. How come that it didn't reach on europe that Joel didn't even knows that that song exist...
Don't worry, it did reach Europe (I'm from Europe as well, and I certainly knew it)
I agree, I am also from Europe and all my peers knew it :P
That song blew up in the Philippines because of this certain loveteam called AlDub. They were massive, become the most tweeted in Twitter in that time lol.
It did reach Europe, I'm from a small country and some friends showed me the song
I didn't even listen to kpop back then and I had seen that music video. Song was huge
You cant deny the fact that The K-Pop artists creating such edgy , catchy , dansable , viby music for a decade or more ..
And Ya'll never get bore of them .
Thanks Joel for discovering such great music .
well i'm sure it will end one day and only 3-4 artists (mainly bands) will age normally
Kind of like what happened to rock
But it is still better to witness k-pop's rise live than witnessing it on youtube or whatever there is the future
@@harshaggarwal1918 I don't think so. Kpop combines many genres and goes with the time. Just like pop music, it will match the time's spirit and thus won't get outdated. Kpop will evolve and be formed with the trends, it's not going to stay one thing. I mean that's also basically what the video has just proven lol
@@eileenskof4926 let's see what happens...
I believe only parts of K-Pop music will age and majority of it will die and there was one time when everyone believed that rock music will live on forever but now most of it has died
If you disagree I totally understand your point and there is nothing we both can do to tell the future
@@harshaggarwal1918 Kpop has just started to rise... Also, it's more than pop music...
@@YourFoodIsBland agree bro but my point is that everything ends one day and I think K-Pop artists wouldn't be remembered as some rock bands like The Beatles or some pop artists...
If you want them to age better your fanbase needs to mature because no matter how much facts you spit everybody considers your fanbase as a bunch of 13-14 year olds
I'm findings this late, but it makes me sad that there is so much cultural context missing from this! Those songs by Wonder Girls at the very beginning were crazy popular in Korea at the time exactly BECAUSE they sounded old fashioned during a time when most Korean music trends were chasing more of the Western pop sound and literally no one in mainstream Korean music had that sound. Also, this is entirely missing the 90s Kpop scene which makes me so sad because 90s boy bands and girl groups are the OGs who started all of this. And yes... they'll sound more like old Western pop too because it was literally just "pop" music that was made for normal Koreans who couldn't understand or speak English. Also, a lot of those Kpop songs from long time ago were also produced by Western artists...
i just think it's jyp. disco seems to be his kind of thing as seen in his own mv and twice. also nobody was pretty big. they tried breaking out in america and kind of failed like snsd and boa. but honestly laid the road down for psy and bts. i remember seeing posters of their first us concert when i was in college
Yes!!! I would have loved to hear some shinwa, rain, yoon mirae, seotaji and the boys, the young Turks club, tiger jk, 2pm
I feel groups like Shinhwa, G.O.D, H.O.T, Sechs Kies, Fly to the sky and S.E.S were sorta the original kpop groups. Tvxq, super junior and girls generation came later. I also feel its a bit weird (tho I understand that Joel says it) when he calls kpop Japanese influenced, when jpop got heavily influenced by Korean pop during the tvxq and girls generation era 😊
YES YES YESSSSS! Yes to all of what yinz are saying. I was thinking the same things! H.O.T. is my #1 favorite & I hoped it'd be in this video. BOA & Shinhwa were high on my list as well. But I was in love w Moon Hee Jun from H.O.T., total fan girl lol.
The amount of nostalgia that hit me. as a 2nd gen kpop stan i crieddd😭
Dear Roomie,
Kpop is not only an amazing production + big vocal packages + edgy harmonnies. There is a loooot more stuff to consider, and even kpop has different subcategories: the cute, the sexy, the cool, the badass hahaha it's like general pop! Not everything has to sound like BTS to be considered kpop (even BTS has a wide range of different styles)
it's a shame they didn't include some old BTS releases in the video
basically kpop is not just a genre
100%
Yea BTS have covered a whole lot of genres. It's just random people now considering their new releases only.
Amen.
The thing is that the point of calling it K-pop is because it's not a genre but just popular music in Korea, it is an umbrella term and actually has so many genres under it. Of course the most popular especially as an export is idol music(boy groups, girl groups, few co-ed groups, soloists that usually came from groups...) but there are also bands, r&b artists, indie artists, rap artists and etc. but the idol groups themselves always experiment with different genres. On the other hand I think that the most popular for the Korean general public are actually ballad singers and trot singers but they aren't really included in the term K-pop as they are considered musicians and not idols in South Korea and they aren't really an export of the Hallyu wave.
That's why a lot of the songs sound outdated or J-pop to you but they are actually just doing their own thing; they are often following the trends in the west but always adding their own flavor be it the nostalgic sound of past decades(11:36 Wonder Girls literaly had the retro concept from their debut in 2007 they did the 90s,80s,60s...) or the J-pop feel(old Gfriend songs always had that fairytale and anime sound to me). Maybe 1st gen K-pop and some 2nd gen songs could really be outdated but half of the things mentioned in the video as outdated was made like that on purpose. K-pop is all about concepts, each comeback is different but the point is to still have a signature sound of the group/soloist. One comeback you could have a hard-hitting EDM song about partying with an empty drop chorus and the next you could get an upbeat breakup song that is mainly vocal driven. Kpop is a lot of things not just BTS and Blackpink.
Yeah and even bts and blackpink aren't just one sound
@@sophiam.krager3815 Exactly, listening to their bsides you can find a variety of genres. But sadly non-fans will still think BTS and BP are the pinnacle of kpop while there's so many high quality groups with great songs
@@keikei7089 I agree
this man needs to listen to more kpop to make him realize kpop is not just beat drops
and to realise that kpop isnt a genre lol
Theres also those anti drops that have been going around lately
Right, I grew up on 1 gen & 2 gen kpop and him saying it's doesn't sound like kpop had me rolling. Lol 🤣SMH
He needs to broaden his kpop distography before claiming something "doesn't sound like kpop"
5:53 I remember when everyone I knew was vibing to gangnamstyle and I was listening to this .... onestly though gangnamstyle has a place in my heart lol
i feel like this compilation missed so many amazing freaking bops..
I feel like the point of the compilation was more of a 'if you're a *real* fan you'll know these lesser hits/older hits too', it's a gatekeeping test.
yeah I feel like it was too, I'm surprised growl wasn't in there
this compilation its so biased:(((
@@blank-xs2qs biased in what way?
@@jojo6783f by not playing ALL of the “iconic” songs in kpop
Edit: not “all” but y know what im saying
me who knows all of these songs: **screaming at joel through my phone at just how iconic all of these songs are**
same xd
Probably the most iconic song is fantastic baby from all of those It was like one of the biggest first big songs outside of korea
@@MMRRSasuke agreeeee!!!
How hasn't he heard of Big Bang? OMG
@@kalled4th147 i have no idea but one things for sure he should hear about them now 🤣
BoA Should be here commonly credited as the "Queen of K-pop
I agree
I was just thinking that. She was HUGE when I was in school!
I need an updated version Joel, like ASAP
Ikon's "Love Scenario" actually sampled Pitbull and Ke$ha's "Timber" how did Roomie not realize
I love Love Scenario, but I never noticed that! Where in the song is the sample?
wtf i just noticed
@@Purple_Hearted_Izzy17 the line in timber "im yelling timber" the rhythm sounds exactly like the beginning of love scenario only with different pitches on the beats
You can literally see how 2ne1 and Big bang molded the todays kpop scene.
Shinee and superjunior too
True tho!
I wish there was more Big Bang in this
@@amandaormerod8204 they might not be in this video but they're in our hearts and in prison
Yay!
Joel: I wish I knew more of these k-pop songs
Yoongi: bultolareune
Joel: *oOohhh yEeaHhh 5%*
*bultaoreune
cant mispell that iconic line my friend
@@jyuya6594 mHm
G DRAGON IS THE KING OF KPOP
@@himaririku9254 not, it’s not
@@himaririku9254 yeah, he's the king of Kpop and you are a spammer...
*my disappointment with Joel’s knowledge with kpop rn*