Just finished a build using these drivers in a folded enclosure. I don't need the sub for most music. Amazing clarity. Thanks for the great video demoing these.
Cool Mark. I just bought a pair of AER drivers to try an OB project, but I'm really curious about Folded horn. I'll keep everyone posted here. ! Thanks for your feedback !
Those sound surprisingly good for being full range. Granted this is a highly compressed video shot with a phone, it’s still a good reference point while being compared to your other videos. Keep it up Mikey! Loving this shiz
Right on Connor, very soon I will be establishing a library. In this library I will have high resolution sound clips of the gear that I am comparing. I will use professional microphones and a professional mic pre and recording device. This way you will get a bonafide real representation of how things sound without the compression we find on TH-cam. these will be on my 11 stereo.com website. So check it out man !
Is it just me or is it that all Tangband full range speakers above 5 inch have a nasal twang to female voices. Any of their speakers up to and including 5 inches sound just perfect. Their W5-1611SAF sounds perfect without the nasal tone to females voices and all they need is an eight or ten inch SVS sub crossed over at 60 hertz to round out the bottom end which is more than adequate for a 20*20*12 feet room. First I thought it was my desktop speakers playing truant but the nasal tone is being confirmed by other listeners too.
Hey, use the whole wall behind your stereo as a buffle, put them on the wall in the appropriate distance between them, and the right hight, depending on your listening position. You will be astonished from the sound in the low range frequencies as well... This way you will avoid the low frequency acoustic annihilation that take place in the small buffle that you use here...
I found something about FR drivers. One's that are deeply conical tend to not have as much med control as the lesser conical FR drivers. So I will be looking at those confined space car FR drivers that go in thin doors etc.. I had some $60 deep conical drivers that were LITTERALLY KILLED by $10 shallow cone drivers of the same diameter. And it happened with other deep cone drivers I bought as well (way too much "squark"). Interesting stuff. Try some really shallow cone drivers and see if you can hear the difference. Shallow cones are way more mellow but still heaps of top end. I'm not saying this is the case for every driver but it does seem to be a tendency. And the expensive 8" Visaton FR drivers are particularly shallow cones (and they are AMAZING on TH-cam). But I bought some 4" Visatons (same brand with DEEP cones) and they were so bad that you couldn't even listen too them, and they went straight into the garbage. So this is at least a hypothesis (yielding towards a theory). Anyway cheers Big Ears!
A horn is not to give the appearance of a bigger box to the driver. Its a horn of bass dimensions tuned to boost within an octave. like an alpine horn or a euphonium in the latter you alter the tube length by the use of the valves which lowers the tone of the lip vibration by changing the impedance.
Listening on my Focal speakers (low and mid profile ranges), which if you know these are mostly flat and or uncolored with these speakers (Plug in) . They seem to need a passive crossover / EQ banding to be better. Also any cabinet you build aim for dispersion with these.
Yeah. You can go to a wood shop and ask them to make it sealed tight. I'm starting to get in the speaker build now bot it helps me to know how to work with wood
worlds best full range or open baffle driver ? The 4" CTS full range used in the Auratone studio cubes - why- its what all the good stuff was mixed down on before the horrid NS10M Yamaha was used in most studios
LOL< thats a super funny way to look at it but I feel ya (For everyone he is talking about a very small single driver speaker used by professionals on top of the mixing console, so when they were mixing back in the day, they could hear the mix liek it was on a portable radio or car stereo with one speaker in the middle of the dash ...
@@JesusISdaonlyway I used a simple plan that can be found on the Part Express reviews for the W8-2145; single sheet 0.75 MDF. The inside was coated with Acoust-X. Nothing especially fancy.
Love the gear...thanks for sharing...not meaning to be rude or anything but isnt the test a bit pointless when the mic is the bottleneck? If your front end ie mic/cables/pre/converter was as ornate as your hifi...it would be great but to me, it sounds like you are recording through a very small omni electret mic and Im hearing mostly the room?
Even Better Mark, I'm recording with my Samsung smart phone. We are not trying to critique the utter efficacy of each product but rather compare them to one another for reference. That way if you've heard one in real life you will know. Oh yeah, the other is more detailed or less detailed or whatever it may be. I do have microphones $1K per mic, a tube mic pre microphone, cables made from pure solid silver foil, yadda yadda. But my point is made well enough. Doubt you are hearing much of the room as its treated, but it is possible. Again, this is for entertainment and comparing Sonics as compared to one another as the only reference. Thanks for your feedback !
@@OCDHIFiGuy gotcha...guess that's funny then. yeah I think if I ab'd against the same clips...that would make sense. I'm doing some spherical enclosures in stone...I think the 8" might be a tad too big; the graph looks pretty bumpy on the 6.5 version...in Sydney and no local stock so TH-cam was the next stop. Prob just have to commit to buying 1 and checking. Cheerd
Very cool.Yeah add box maybe a REL but my question is could these benefit from a super tweeter and how could you (again doing DIY) figure where to put it?I have been watching the great vids by Danny Ritchie how piggy backs his Tech Tuesday segment from Ron at New Record Day and the placement issues like everything else with cabinets can be tricky one decision offsetting another.But this was cool and inspiring to look into a TB's site and more.Thankz
I did build an open baffle with the same drivers, a very simple design , the bottom end was supplemented by rythmik 12 sub around 120hz. Good sounding one, a bit hot sounding :) . But i eventually replaced them with sony coral baskets, 4 inch speakers. I preferred the sony eventually, it had better imaging then the tangband and it only costed me 75$
I got some 5" FR drivers for $10 a pair. A really thin cone for great detail and lack bass a bit. Ran with an extra woofer, that's good cos it's less excursions and less Dopler @ crank volumes. The driver is mounted over and just above the speaker hole with a gap under the driver so it's semi dipole with the sound from the back of the cone escaping through the gap, along with the bass from the woofer inside the box. The speaker hole has a bass vent tube ring just under the speaker hole to stop the bonky sound and fatten the bass. It also acts as the woofer bass vent with the FR driver just over it. A FR driver with fat "point source" bass surrounding it and way less Dopler in the treble med. The sound is so good that (with some recordings) I sometimes mistake voice sounds from the recording to be someone in the room even if there is nobody else in the room. It startles the me for a second and when I realise I laugh and celebrate.
They are subwoofer towers with one active 12 in the center and 2 passive radiators. They are about 225lb each so even if they are not hooked up I leave them there.
Nice experiment👍 Little bit thin sounding of course but the potential of an open baffle with full-range driver is certainly there. I play with open baffles myself. A build with a driver like this I love to do sometime in the future.
Right, this is totally incomplete , I thought I made it clear, maybe not.. This is a great driver with dual 15s in a MTM config crossed over at 400Hz. :-)
Or... Or, you could build a couple of Mikey style Kleinhorns. I’ll even make an El Pipo. lol Joking aside, what’d you think of them with the 15’s on the tops and bottoms as open baffles?
Just as a heads up. If you decide to keep these speakers open baffle, you should consider putting them in a bigger baffle. Because of the baffle step I can only imagine that your bass response on these are falling off quite early. A larger uniform baffle should help give them a bit more meat at the bottom end. You are probably already aware of this, but I thought I would make a comment just in case.
Putting them in a bigger baffle will create many problems. Big assed baffles are not the right way to go. I'm not going to tell you the solution, but it lies in smaller front baffle area combined with something else.
Hey OCD, do you about acoustics? Do you think a reverse horn baffle could help to get Bass with an open baffle? Maybe use something similar to the fiberglass Mid-horn design of a hORNS Universum into a top-breath front-loaded horn in order to reduce turbulence, maintain the airflow levels towards the driver and generate bass. Something like an unholy amalgamation of a reverse hORNS Universum with the body of a Finhorn and an top-loaded "breathing hole".
Thank you for sharing such great music video. We need more videos of teng bang. According to you what do you feel should we buy it. It sounds fenamenal.
Sorry I missed this Srinivas. I would need to know a lot more about what you wanted to do to answer your question. By the way.... Its spelled "Phenomenal" in understood perfectly though..!
@@OCDHIFiGuy you're right. Im sure anybody watching your videos already knows this.. I was embarrassed as soon as i clicked send, such basic info. LOL thanks for the reply.
Clearly its not meant to be listened to like this as I pointed out. It was originally with dual 15 inch woofers and it sounded phenomenal.. The speaker is called PureAudioProject Trio 15 and they sell the living crap out of them.. Try a compression driver and a horn by itself to see what I call a glass cutter.
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Those sound best with a 2nd order high pass resulting in an approx 750 hz acoustic cross to substantial (2x15”) woofers on baffles about 20” wide.
Just finished a build using these drivers in a folded enclosure. I don't need the sub for most music. Amazing clarity. Thanks for the great video demoing these.
Cool Mark. I just bought a pair of AER drivers to try an OB project, but I'm really curious about Folded horn. I'll keep everyone posted here. ! Thanks for your feedback !
Those sound surprisingly good for being full range. Granted this is a highly compressed video shot with a phone, it’s still a good reference point while being compared to your other videos. Keep it up Mikey! Loving this shiz
Right on Connor, very soon I will be establishing a library. In this library I will have high resolution sound clips of the gear that I am comparing. I will use professional microphones and a professional mic pre and recording device. This way you will get a bonafide real representation of how things sound without the compression we find on TH-cam. these will be on my 11 stereo.com website. So check it out man !
never knew they made speaker wire out of guitar straps
Seat belts my friend, seat belts..
Love to see more driver testing like this! Thanks OCD!
Is it just me or is it that all Tangband full range speakers above 5 inch have a nasal twang to female voices. Any of their speakers up to and including 5 inches sound just perfect. Their W5-1611SAF sounds perfect without the nasal tone to females voices and all they need is an eight or ten inch SVS sub crossed over at 60 hertz to round out the bottom end which is more than adequate for a 20*20*12 feet room. First I thought it was my desktop speakers playing truant but the nasal tone is being confirmed by other listeners too.
It's amazing how they sound exactly like the phone I'm watching this on
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey, use the whole wall behind your stereo as a buffle, put them on the wall in the appropriate distance between them, and the right hight, depending on your listening position.
You will be astonished from the sound in the low range frequencies as well...
This way you will avoid the low frequency acoustic annihilation that take place in the small buffle that you use here...
I found something about FR drivers.
One's that are deeply conical tend to not have as much med control as the lesser conical FR drivers. So I will be looking at those confined space car FR drivers that go in thin doors etc.. I had some $60 deep conical drivers that were LITTERALLY KILLED by $10 shallow cone drivers of the same diameter. And it happened with other deep cone drivers I bought as well (way too much "squark"). Interesting stuff. Try some really shallow cone drivers and see if you can hear the difference. Shallow cones are way more mellow but still heaps of top end. I'm not saying this is the case for every driver but it does seem to be a tendency. And the expensive 8" Visaton FR drivers are particularly shallow cones (and they are AMAZING on TH-cam). But I bought some 4" Visatons (same brand with DEEP cones) and they were so bad that you couldn't even listen too them, and they went straight into the garbage. So this is at least a hypothesis (yielding towards a theory). Anyway cheers Big Ears!
A horn is not to give the appearance of a bigger box to the driver. Its a horn of bass dimensions tuned to boost within an octave. like an alpine horn or a euphonium in the latter you alter the tube length by the use of the valves which lowers the tone of the lip vibration by changing the impedance.
Listening on my Focal speakers (low and mid profile ranges), which if you know these are mostly flat and or uncolored with these speakers (Plug in)
. They seem to need a passive crossover / EQ banding to be better. Also any cabinet you build aim for dispersion with these.
Try and let us know
Yeah. You can go to a wood shop and ask them to make it sealed tight. I'm starting to get in the speaker build now bot it helps me to know how to work with wood
These are the 1808s, they are optimized for BR, the ones for Horns are the 1772. I have them myself and would fully recommend.
This config is good for a very small room in my opinion. Good choice of music BTW!
worlds best full range or open baffle driver ? The 4" CTS full range used in the Auratone studio cubes - why- its what all the good stuff was mixed down on before the horrid NS10M Yamaha was used in most studios
LOL< thats a super funny way to look at it but I feel ya (For everyone he is talking about a very small single driver speaker used by professionals on top of the mixing console, so when they were mixing back in the day, they could hear the mix liek it was on a portable radio or car stereo with one speaker in the middle of the dash ...
How do you find the tang band vs Visaton B200
I have a pair of W8-2145's in transmission line enclosures and they sound pretty darn good.
I'll bet they do... Nice !
I'm thinking of doing the same. What measurements, programs, cabinet material etc. did you use?
@@JesusISdaonlyway
I used a simple plan that can be found on the Part Express reviews for the W8-2145; single sheet 0.75 MDF. The inside was coated with Acoust-X. Nothing especially fancy.
@@AaronAlso Cool! Thanks.
Love the gear...thanks for sharing...not meaning to be rude or anything but isnt the test a bit pointless when the mic is the bottleneck? If your front end ie mic/cables/pre/converter was as ornate as your hifi...it would be great but to me, it sounds like you are recording through a very small omni electret mic and Im hearing mostly the room?
Even Better Mark, I'm recording with my Samsung smart phone. We are not trying to critique the utter efficacy of each product but rather compare them to one another for reference. That way if you've heard one in real life you will know. Oh yeah, the other is more detailed or less detailed or whatever it may be.
I do have microphones $1K per mic, a tube mic pre microphone, cables made from pure solid silver foil, yadda yadda. But my point is made well enough. Doubt you are hearing much of the room as its treated, but it is possible. Again, this is for entertainment and comparing Sonics as compared to one another as the only reference.
Thanks for your feedback !
@@OCDHIFiGuy gotcha...guess that's funny then. yeah I think if I ab'd against the same clips...that would make sense. I'm doing some spherical enclosures in stone...I think the 8" might be a tad too big; the graph looks pretty bumpy on the 6.5 version...in Sydney and no local stock so TH-cam was the next stop. Prob just have to commit to buying 1 and checking. Cheerd
Dude highly appreciate it cheers
You bet my man..
Those cables have so much area that they’d actually affect the rear sound waves coming from the driver... lol.
I know , right ? lol, luckily the cable falls away and down from the driver, so no interference...
@@OCDHIFiGuy That foam stuff probably helps a little with reflections from the back/stands.
Put them in a transmission line!
For sure, want to help ? contact me direct verastarr at G mail
It still probably sounds better, than many dudes complete system :)
Very cool.Yeah add box maybe a REL but my question is could these benefit from a super tweeter and how could you (again doing DIY) figure where to put it?I have been watching the great vids by Danny Ritchie how piggy backs his Tech Tuesday segment from Ron at New Record Day and the placement issues like everything else with cabinets can be tricky one decision offsetting another.But this was cool and inspiring to look into a TB's site and more.Thankz
This was an incomplete setup.m, I was just showing the sound of the TB by itself. You would never use it like this.
Excellent choix de musique bien diversifiée, merci
Sounds good. FR drivers have the advantage of point source. The vowels and consonants of the voice sound come from the same point instead of 8" apart!
Thats Great!
@@OCDHIFiGuy Thanks.
I did build an open baffle with the same drivers, a very simple design , the bottom end was supplemented by rythmik 12 sub around 120hz. Good sounding one, a bit hot sounding :) . But i eventually replaced them with sony coral baskets, 4 inch speakers. I preferred the sony eventually, it had better imaging then the tangband and it only costed me 75$
I got some 5" FR drivers for $10 a pair. A really thin cone for great detail and lack bass a bit. Ran with an extra woofer, that's good cos it's less excursions and less Dopler @ crank volumes. The driver is mounted over and just above the speaker hole with a gap under the driver so it's semi dipole with the sound from the back of the cone escaping through the gap, along with the bass from the woofer inside the box. The speaker hole has a bass vent tube ring just under the speaker hole to stop the bonky sound and fatten the bass. It also acts as the woofer bass vent with the FR driver just over it. A FR driver with fat "point source" bass surrounding it and way less Dopler in the treble med. The sound is so good that (with some recordings) I sometimes mistake voice sounds from the recording to be someone in the room even if there is nobody else in the room. It startles the me for a second and when I realise I laugh and celebrate.
Hi ocd guy what are those big speakers you always have sitting there
They are subwoofer towers with one active 12 in the center and 2 passive radiators. They are about 225lb each so even if they are not hooked up I leave them there.
The imaging is just stunningly good.
Nice experiment👍 Little bit thin sounding of course but the potential of an open baffle with full-range driver is certainly there. I play with open baffles myself. A build with a driver like this I love to do sometime in the future.
Right, this is totally incomplete , I thought I made it clear, maybe not.. This is a great driver with dual 15s in a MTM config crossed over at 400Hz. :-)
Or... Or, you could build a couple of Mikey style Kleinhorns. I’ll even make an El Pipo. lol
Joking aside, what’d you think of them with the 15’s on the tops and bottoms as open baffles?
They blew me away like that in fact, PureAudioProject has a year end special for around $4.5K for trio 15 with Beyma AMT. Its a hell of a deal.
hey OCD HIFI guy, what are these glowing Amps you have?
Just as a heads up. If you decide to keep these speakers open baffle, you should consider putting them in a bigger baffle. Because of the baffle step I can only imagine that your bass response on these are falling off quite early. A larger uniform baffle should help give them a bit more meat at the bottom end. You are probably already aware of this, but I thought I would make a comment just in case.
You didn't watch the vid, did you?
@@1leisure1 Ah fuck. You are right. I skipped to the next song and missed that section in the middle.
LOL, thanks Lee, correct, this had dual Eminence OB 15s in an MTM crossed over at 400 and it was killer.
Putting them in a bigger baffle will create many problems. Big assed baffles are not the right way to go. I'm not going to tell you the solution, but it lies in smaller front baffle area combined with something else.
@@bc527c idk about all that. I've heard big baffles and they sounded amazing
Would this be suitable by itself in a small box as a guitar amp?
Are these out of the pure audio project duet 15 or quad 15?
Just Wow....
What are your speaker cables?
VERASATARR GRAND ILLUSION
Hey OCD, do you about acoustics?
Do you think a reverse horn baffle could help to get Bass with an open baffle? Maybe use something similar to the fiberglass Mid-horn design of a hORNS Universum into a top-breath front-loaded horn in order to reduce turbulence, maintain the airflow levels towards the driver and generate bass.
Something like an unholy amalgamation of a reverse hORNS Universum with the body of a Finhorn and an top-loaded "breathing hole".
Sounds fun my man... I'll absolutely explore things ;like that once I catch up..
Sounds incredible
What stands are those? I also have a pair.
all that money for a paper woofer?!?!?! i dont get the craze behind these..
Lol. Then don't Google AER or Voxativ or Feastrex drivers...
What was the name of the first song? I've been looking for that song
Thank you for sharing such great music video. We need more videos of teng bang. According to you what do you feel should we buy it. It sounds fenamenal.
Sorry I missed this Srinivas. I would need to know a lot more about what you wanted to do to answer your question.
By the way.... Its spelled "Phenomenal" in understood perfectly though..!
Less is more! Add a active REL sub and go! Forget the rest of the stuff! 🍷🙏❤️👍
thumbs up for coolness, but sound like something is missing.
There is , a bass driver or a cabinet, one of the two..
Usually you may find a midrange peak somewhere and a lack of bass
Stick them somewhere lol im just reading everyone elses suggestions.
sounds a bit hollow. nice speaker cables, i use Romex.
... I use Durex...
What's with that stupid flat cable that looks like a snake roadkill? Don't tell me to reduce non-existent audio-frequency skin effect?
WHY??? Why do have so big/fat cables ?? The end position is normal size cables.. Sooo.... Total snake Oil.
Wtf are those cables? Jesus christ
LOL, they are VERASTARR made of pure silver foil. Yes they do sound different than round wire.
:)
Sounds thin and tinny.
I'm listening with gain clones in a tri-amped system.
$7k isn’t cheap for most people to get into hi-fi.
I know , its cheap for the audiphiles..
How about an A/B test for a more meaning full comparison. You may be a bit spoilt for choice. Good luck with going "strictly commercial ".
Ha ha ha ha ha - the speaker leads!!! Come on, tell us how much you paid... please?
OMG! They are better than the Maggies! Okay, not really.
you can buy these drivers on parts express FYI
Yes, of course Julian, I think thats the only place as far as I know.. $238 or something like that.. its a good deal.. Thanks for the post !
@@OCDHIFiGuy you're right. Im sure anybody watching your videos already knows this.. I was embarrassed as soon as i clicked send, such basic info. LOL thanks for the reply.
@@julianayala03 No worries man, you were looking out for the group, its all good !
glass-cutter
Clearly its not meant to be listened to like this as I pointed out. It was originally with dual 15 inch woofers and it sounded phenomenal.. The speaker is called PureAudioProject Trio 15 and they sell the living crap out of them.. Try a compression driver and a horn by itself to see what I call a glass cutter.
@@OCDHIFiGuy
I have enough transparency and live sound, on the BW 805 D3, listen.
no box ,no bass
very sad.... :(
LOL, I know , right ?
I think they sound beautiful
You have to much $$$
Dude, you have money and no clue about audio. Your casual ignorance is not really a good thing… cheers!
Dude you have an opinion, and nobody knows who you are . Your words mean nothing ...
Rmzidann, he knows more than you'll ever know. Bit of the green-eyed monster me thinks 😉
Oh! 100th?