【This isn't ART?】Studying Art at University
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My teachers in school hated manga art, but it got worse at university :'D So this video features an anecdote, an experience I had with an exam I had a while a go. :) Anyway, I have to study art to teach art in school, not just art for its own sake ^^
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*professor:* "art is about the free expression of ones self."
*hands in work*
*professor:* "no not like that.."
Precisely
J M There’s no need for me to tell you this, but I feel like an art professor would mean express yourself, bring out your true colors. For example, if you feel sad paint out your feelings by using different hues, and shades of blues.
But he's not expressing himself. He's obsessed with manga and characters created by other people. He doesn't have his own style because its all manga and anime. He has no originality. Go through deviantart. There's so many other "artists" that have his exact style.
J M Also, it doesn’t have to be necessarily about human emotions. When an art professor means freely expressing yourselves use different colors that gives a different mood to an art piece.
Valek28 But it's what he likes to draw! What is artistic about spraying random colous on a piece of paper? A dirty bathtub is considered art! Why the hell not this?
There's a reason why art professors aren't artists.
Let's not
Tru some of the times
How does the line go? "those who can, do....those who cannot....teach".
you know art professors had to get their masters in being artists to be able to teach, right? And that 9 times out of 10 they’re still working artists?
That being said. They moreso like to force students to conform to their ideals and own opinions/teachings on art rather than being open-minded.
@@breezehxme Of course; This really isn't a case of them not being able to be artists of course, this is a case of them closing their minds.....absolute killer that one.
I find it weird how everything has to have a meaning. I like to do art for the only purpose of doing it. I like creating beautiful things that don't have to be reflections of childhood trauma
ı couldnt agree more...
It's a defence mechanism because they don't have the skill to make beautiful things. They change the standards so that their mediocrity is now the ceiling. The Calling of Saint Matthew has been stupefying people for hundreds of years. Tracy Emin's unkempt bed is already kitschy crap after a few decades.
@@ichigo449 I just finished studying Caravaggio and I was really amazed at his talent. Until now, I never heard of Tracey Emin but I looked it up...there's no comparison. It's literal trash.
@@ichigo449 Also, in recent years I've noticed that a lot less people pay attention to art, and a lot less aesthetically pleasing art is produced. The value of these trash "art pieces" has skyrocketed, while traditional art is not valued as much
Your beautiful things HAVE a meaning. It’s just most professors only consider “meaning” what’s painful or sad or aggressive. It’s like they don’t believe humans are capable of happiness.
I want to be an art school teacher just to be a cool art school teacher.
I think the world could always use encouraging teachers, so that's a cool goal. :)
Same, I'm an art student now, and my teachers always act this way. Being a good teacher, especially for art students is the coolest thing
Mood
Join the club! I’m studying to be an art teacher as well
Me too, but y'know, parents say teachers and artists don't make money. They crushed my dreams.
Art teachers are masters at sucking all the fun out of art. They also tend to be bitter and feel threatened by students who show skill.
With only a few bright exceptions, that sounds about right to me.
Even my 5th grade teacher was scared of me because I have "talent"
He would always humiliate me in front of the whole class and would always give me B's when the rest of the class would receive A's
Just like the episode artist unknown in spongebob
Bingo
Any real teacher won't feel threatened by anyone. And by making life for you difficult is to see if you just are presenting some cunning copy work or if it is expressing yourself. As it is easy to copy and difficult to be your own person.
Professor: What if I told you that stuff wasn't Art?
Artist: What if I told you "I don't care"?
Professor: What if I give you an F?
@@happilis5601 Artist: What if i got you fired?
Tami Mari
A professor getting fired for being terrible at their job? Have you ever been to a college campus?
@@gavinriley5232 a teacher should not ever put personal bias when teaching or Grading, you can be fired for purposefully marking someones grade wrong
Mackayla Cook
I have personally been kicked out of a class in college because of ideological differences between me and the professor. I was not rude and I was not interrupting. I was simply asking questions that could not be answered in their ideological framework and they kicked me out for it.
fast forward to 2019 a banana being taped onto wall is art
Sarah Wahid yes, it is
I had to search it up to see if it was real and WOW.
You are missing the point. That is exactly something those professors would say is art. With debate and discussion but they would say it's art. (Partly because it is.)
But I am mostly surprised by this story. I went to one of the top fine art schools in the US and that is something none of my professors would ever say. They wouldn't ever say "this isn't art" because they know what defines capital 'A' Art, is constantly changing and is almost even our job as artist to push it in a new direction.
But that's what those professors wanted. They wanted something that both referenced the last 150 years of art history while not looking like any of the art styles from the last 150 years of art. They 100% wanted a banana on a wall.
But that also doesn't make them right, that doesn't mean they have good taste or bad taste.
Honestly it mostly seems like they have a really bad teaching style, especially for art.
In the defense of the banana tape to the wall may I direct you to Art from about 100 years ago . "Fountain" by Marcel Duchamp, a urinal on a pedestal signed. The surrealist then do lots of other found art sculptures. This banana's sculptural style has been around for a hundred years, not just something we see as art in 2019.
@@NighttimeBird oh my girl reference?
@@LifeLostSoul quick correction:
The original "Fountain" was made by Elsa Von Freytag-Loringhoven, I think she deserves to be recognised.
Once my art teacher told me that I'm not allowed to put manga style watercolor portraits in my portfolio for my final exams, because "manga art is just copying". No matter how clearly I explained that she is totally wrong about her statement, finally I had to alter my portfolio. An advice to anyone out here who want to improve their manga painting/drawing skills: don't waste your time with art schools and narrow minded art teachers :)
the same happened to me. i’m in 11th grade and my major subject is art. i had to show a portfolio for my entrance exam and i almost didn’t make it in because i drew a portrait of an asian person and the criticism was “it looks like manga, manga is just copying.”
"Manga art just COPieS itself."
I'm sorry, did you forget the entire dark age period where all anyone did was paint pretty ladies that all have the exact same face????
YALL FORGET THE SHEER AMOUNT OF FRUITS IN BASKETS??!!!
Humans COPY each other, its natural. Heck, some abstract artists copy other abstract artists.
Bruh my step dad says the same thing! There was even a point in time I just wouldn't draw anything because he would always just criticize.
Guys, you aren’t going to go the music conservatory to study Taylor swift. You go to a different place for that. Don’t go to the fancy culinary school to make chicken nuggets, even really good ones. You go somewhere else for that. If manga is your thing, then the fine art Academy will not be the place for that. Now the clever ones realize that skills learned outside of their main focus can be applied to their main focus. So just because your professor isn’t interested in developing your manga skill set doesn’t mean the things they have to teach can’t be useful to you, or help you grow and evolve. Anyway, education is wasted on the young.
@@bm4114 Neither it was a fine art academy ( just a graphic design course), nor I wanted to learn manga from those teachers. I just simply stated that there are so many misconceptions about manga in the art schools, that it's a waste of money to go to any art school if you specific art goal is to learn manga drawing only.
Of course it's not your art school's responsibility to teach you manga techniques, but the lack of open mindedness in those schools is absolutely outrageous. Art is about freely express yourself, so a good teacher sould never restirct their student to only use a certain preferred style and avoid other art styles.
"Anybody could do that,, really? Being able to make watercolor look like digital is something anybody can do?!
not anybody , but many people can
Like Laovaan? Not many.
Sex me pls and many people sew but that does not make them a designer 😑 and please them how many people paint like him? I have not seen any.
If you think about it if anyone can draw like this then anyone can create those abstract pictures too becasue all you have to do is to learn the technique and then show some of your thought and etc - since we all can learn and all of us can think anyone can become artist. But the point is that not everyone is willing to and that's why comment "Anybody can do that" is always true or always false depends if you look at possibility or already exsisting situation...
anyone get what I'm trying to say? ;u;
doesn't change the fact that Laovaan's work is amazing and generally speaking most of the people don't have skills to draw like this.
1) a designers don't even sew , tailors does that.
2)www.pinterest.com/pin/461196818070122634/ and there are plenty of pages like that one
3) sorry if there are any writing mistakes ,I'm italian
Traditional art: it must be highly structured, realistic, and beautiful
Modern art: it must be highly random, abstract, and hideous
Studio Spider my teacher told me that, makes me hate art because I have to paint in contemporary styles, it sucks🤦🏾♂️
Tbh i like both
@Studio Spider realism is ok. I like it, I don't hate it. I just don't care for it
Studio Spider realism is fine. i like anime/manga styled art but i applaud anyone who is good at realism. i suck at it lol
Most modern art is crap
My friend had a detailed painting of his mother and he lost to a girl who threw paint on a canvas -_-
a girl with great fellatio skills i guess
Your friend is a real winner.
Most of all the art competitions and shit like that is rigged and before the competition starts the jury already know who will get the prize
That modern art for you, all of it is hot garbage.
They're people who think all art should be at the level of the lowest common denominator just because they themselves can't achieve excellence. If anyone is an imposter it's them.
Your friend is an actual artist.
@@TearThatRedFlagDown saw him vent, pretty sus ngl...
I love this painting. There's nothing wrong in appreciating beauty. I like how clean it looks and the color choices.
And is there anything wrong with a professor wondering if a student can incorporate more blank space, even as an experiment? Or if a student can work on abstracting for the sake of stretching their boundaries and maybe opening up a new creative Avenue they hadn’t explored? Isn’t this what school is supposed to be about? It’s like look, if you sign up for opera school but refuse to sing any opera and instead bring Taylor swift, yeah maybe you’re in the wrong place.
@@bm4114 No but it’s wrong if it starts to become an argument over what’s considered art. It was never about the professor wanting his student to experiment. It was always about how the message was being delivered.
It's oddly contradictory because they reject things that are too mainstream or pop-art but they enforce a compliance with a different standard that is mainstream in the "art world" that they are in.
Conforming to non-conformity.
You just pointed out one of the great contradictions of modern times.
benedictify oh you mean kinda like a doctrine?
NonGamer live 247 o
I'm glad the school I'm at isn't so smarmy as to dismiss anything that isn't 'fine art'.
Mako Neko which school is that?
I don't think art demands to be understood.
It demands to be made. And it will speak for itself.
well said 🙏🏼
Very profound.
That is very fine, but you still haven't defined art nor what not is art...
The pictogram of TH-cam also demanded to be made. It also speaks for itself... it might even be designed well, but it isn't art.
Henk Meerhof art as defined by the dictionary is “the expression of application of human creative skill and imagination,”
@@yarn0v0 So that leave a lot to debate, right...
Art is subjective. Art is a relationship between the artist and the consumer, to illicit a visceral response. The professors have over intelctualized the process. Honestly, what do they know?
I remembered when i was in studying in art school, there was a sculpting class. The assignment was to make a humanoid sculpture out of resin and fiber glass.
I remembered that i thought to myself "what does this art professors goin to like" instead of making what i wanted to make. So i made a pregnant woman sculpture with missing limbs cuz why not, then made up a bs about how it represents life itself or whatever. The professor like it, gave me a decent grade. But in hindsight, what was the point of art if its only to fit in a box those art professor hold onto.
Absolutely all of school is fitting into boxes for professors….that’s literally the point. When one is a student they forget that this professor isn’t going to be grading their work for the rest of their life. It’s just a hurdle you are passing. You will be free to do what you want your whole life. The professor is there to offer what they have. You don’t have to like it, you can be bitter about it, you won’t be the first and you won’t be the last. You’re just the next. There’s a reason for the saying “education is wasted on the young.”
I laughed at your "cuz why not" lmaoo 😂
Art courses should probably stick to teaching technique and leave assessment of what constitutes good and bad art to individuals.
Right?! Some teachers have a hard time being professional and impartial
Places where they really teach art will never judge by work being good or bad.
Exactly. Leave the commentary on the more theoretical classes like art history.
Of course thanks to shit professors now we have horrible art the main purpose of it is mainly being used in money laundering schemes.
Or they should have a separate class for philosophy and there teach about thinking and expressing ideas...
@@FernandaSomenauer Philosophy is rooted in unbiased ideas as it focuses on the study of knowledge and truth (amongst other things). I don't think opinionated art professors like Laovaan's would be suitable for that since they seem to jump to conclusions way too fast. It's not a good mindset for philosophy.
My brother studies philosophy and I haven't taken it, but that's just what I gathered from him talking to me about his classes.
'manga style drawing isn't art'
Boi is it literature then
Well, literature is art in itself, imo. It's a win-win then. :) yay!
Grumpless Grime true true
It can be art, because anything can be art, but mainly manga style drawings aren't art in a way the experts understand it, but instead Aesthetics
It's art. You made something it be art.
It's not _that_ simple, Angie. It's art when you successfully convey your artistic intention with whatever you create. If it doesn't have a message/artistic intention it can be many things, a beautiful portrait painting, a complex manga drawing, an impressive sculpture, all of which is NOT a bad thing or worth any less, but not 'art'.
It’s weird that they can’t really say it’s “bad art” so they’re just saying it’s not art at all. It sounds like the art you’re making just isn’t the art they’re teaching. It just depends on what your goals are and what you want to learn.
Just replace "art school" with "film school" and this was almost exactly my experience.
All school is this way. It’s sort of the point of school. I swear to god education is wasted on the young.
@@bm4114 I love how you just use that phrase verbatim across multiple comments as if it makes you superior to those rightfully pointing out an issue in overly intellectualising art (this is coming from someone that is into all sorts of art, particularly dadaism). No one is arguing school isn't that way in general but that plays into the broader topic of the problem with school/academia in our capitalist society.
You are part of society and are no better nor worse than the people complaining about issues in academia such as this, education is not wasted on the young, absolute trite.
Perhaps get another stock phrase that you can regurgitate like an npc or maybe be more original than bootlicking the broken education system.
Professor says “being a teacher makes you lose credibility as an artist”? This is very strange.
Yeah I heard that and was like "the frick? Who says that?"
maybe that was the point the professor was trying to make. Spoken from experience, I guess
I think he meant saying you doing something else makes it sound like you are less serious which to be honest is true, if someone told you they were an artist and then immediately tell you they have a day job chances are you aren't gonna take them seriously as a successful artist. The professor was right.
@@MurderousJohnny not really. The professor has a day job too. Should we consider his/her paintings didnt sell enough?
That threw me off too. So having a day job makes you less of an artist? Having a back up plan is bad? So what makes you an artist? Starving in a shack on a lonely mountain?
Ex art student, can confirm. What is art for you and the majority of people, is not art according to 99% of the professors. Screw that.
Same here. It's also in English departments have a similar problem, but not near as pronounced or harsh in my experience.
im in art univ, well i had to climb walls of professors telling me wht i do isnt art . so they tried changing my style it was like locking me up in a cage and drowning it deeo down in the ocean so i cant escape. then someone came to my life like a light. he was a professor and he told me to submit to him the best work i could do with my style. and i did. to others' surprise my art got selected for annual exhibition and won an award . tht was a game changer for me . now i think i cannot change their heads but im trying make my mark, not with their words, but with my very own style.
😒 *So much YES! I had the same experience with my first art professor. Shape, texture, line, color, etc., was all there and yet her response was a deep sigh and then "Does this **_move_** you?".*
😐 *I quickly got fed up and went rogue. My highest scored work? An abstract painted in ink of a photo taken of a bucket full of aborted fetuses in the hallway of an abortion clinic. It was featured in the student art gallery that semester and I was praised by said professor when a few parents complained about it because, as she had said, "it **_moved_** them to speak" and apparently that is what art is supposed to do. (Shock and appall people?) 🤦🏻♀️ Smh...*
Some artists do use shock/sensationalism as a way to generate interest in their work. I'm sorry you had to do that but you just showed them that it's not harder or better to do something that your teachers approve! :) So now you can just say that was easy and walk away to do what you want :)
Girl you couldn’t be more right
Bitter stories about art professors are as common as these days as pretty soft watercolors of aesthetic girls with no expression. Don’t go to opera school if you want to sing Taylor swift.
@@bm4114 I don't get it. Are supporting her or what?
@@geet6797 He's clearly not, he's saying these pretentious hack art teachers are opera to her taylor swift. And apparently pretty soft watercolors and aesthetics are bad, so he's one of those idiots who think ugliness is the ideal. I imagine he likes period blood smeered about on canvas or something.
I like what Oscar Wilde says about art in The Picture of Dorian Gray:
"We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless."
Oscar Wilde is a writer, but he recognizes that art is 'useless'. This is not a bad thing--it means art is meant to be admired. He was part of the aesthetic movement and believed that it is good to admire things for their aesthetic beauty. Your art is very beautiful. I am sure Oscar Wilde would agree. :)
This segment was more of a comment on how society views vanity and beauty rather than a comment on fine art.
I think art still has value and purpose, at least when it comes to illustrations, storytelling and design. But I get what you're saying :)
It's hard to paint something you don't want to do. Instead of really meaning anything, the only emotion it would have is anger.
Or frustration
PyroGhost913 maybe that's what the professors are looking for. The deeeeep emotion of frustration -.-
or emptiness
then make an original idea. like gennedy or dan harmon
I agree. I don't paint, but I write, and when I'm just editing something to makes it more appealing for a certain audience outside of myself, it's a lot harder to stay motivated.
one dislike... damn it the teacher found his channel.
The entire art department of his university found him now
lmao!
Lady Bolton 35 dislikes, actually.
Lady Bolton
all the dislikes are probably from art teachers or prople that dont apreciate the freedom art offers..
Well art is freedom.. STUDING and classes are not. When youa re in a class you need to udnerstand all classes of any subject are within a boundary. Imagine you were in a classic music class and you appear with a completely different genre of music? You need a VERY VERY good reasoning to not be under critic.
Sounds like art university is big giant waste of money.
Now we know how parents feel when their children said "i want to go to art school"
Well...maybe it was a waste when it comes to technical skills, but having a degree could open up a lot of doors-whether the university taught him anything or not.
co ri why would fine art be a waste?
It is, you can find many tutorials and guides online that are actually competent of which some of them are for free and even if you buy the paid ones you're still cheaper off than if you went to college or uni for it. Literally could work a Mc Donald's job while improving at art.
If you want to produce trash like this yea, dont go to art school lol
This drawing, the colors you chose and the execution is STUNNING
Don't care what the university says. You are talented. Follow your dreams.
No question that he's talented! He's great.
this statement is incomplete. Do what you like, but also stay grounded to reality and realise that having money may not be a driving force but is still needed to survive. So do another degree with a good job scope on the side.
@@photon2724 Just went to a big comic convention. A very famous artist told me his parents were supporting when he decided to be a comic artist, but suggested him to have a side job as well. So he started acting.
You cannot tame an artistic mind with a mundane job. XD
@@Shendue If the artist got famous in the first place, i wouldn't doubt he was a bad creative person before he became a famous artist, but 99% of artist aren't good or lucky enough to get a creative job. Its cool that people succeed and hearing about their story is nice and all, but you don't hear the 1000's of people who fail to achieve....
Talented compare to who? To those who are not in the creative field? Why don't you measure him among his peers instead, this guy is not talented. He is the definition of mediocre.
This reminds me of the sponge bob episode in which squidward tries to make spongebob bad at art in order to make himself feel better.
Jesus my you please end my life?
I call it, bold and brash.
Jesus Christ YES!!! THIS
Whitney Dahlin NO!!! THAT
Jesus Christ Exactly!!
I love how slowly the colours stack up and form the figures of the face hairs and flowers.
"This picture is not considered art in universities."
Meanwhile
University students: Yo what if I bring like, a chair, and say it's art in a very long fashion so it sounds legit.
Art professor: YOU PASS!!!
my painting professor once was talking about how parents would go to her and say 'all my child draws is anime' and she said she responded with 'so? let them draw anime. art is about passion and individual meaning'
she encourages us to to find our own styles and be our own artist while also teaching us basic principals and getting us in touch with the old masters
That is a good teachter! Our art teacher are also very cool,
"individual meaning"...in a anime style? The irony.
Jon C I think you've made it obvious you don't know what individual meaning means.
The irony is just apparent.
it may be an anime/manga style, but every manga artist still has a different style, like a handwriting is unique to every person whilst we all learn to write the letters the same way
I feel lucky i had an amazing and supportive art teacher in high school now. He saw some of my 'manga' doodles and approached me about them. He was very embrassed and humble about it, as he noticed that in the past few years, a few of his students started to draw manga, but he never had an idea what kind of 'style' it was. So since i adored him and always asked for his opinions on them, he felt safe enough to ask about it, and we like, talked for the rest of the class about it, me ending up showing him some manga an anime, and he was simply baffled that a whole new 'style of art' went unnoticed by him.
He was ADORABLE in the way how he handled it, actually ending up borrowing some manga from me, to study it and actually reading up about it. He wasnt a stuck up kind of prof, he was really really really open minded and generally was grateful that there is a popular thing drawing young people towards studying art.
The whole man is just such a nice old prof, who actually left teaching at university becasue he too, felt restricted there. He is like a local celebrity in my town, but so kind, so positive and loving, and open about it. I actually think he is a TRUE artist because how he appreciates everything around him.
P.S. he even drew me Sakura from Naruto, cause he knew i loved her a lot.
P.S.2 I recently learned from a highschooler who i know thru anime, that he runs an art club at one of the local high schools, and like 75% of the students visiting the club are anime fans.
This comment is so wholesome!
@@happybear8831 Thank you, i just really really love my teacher, he is just one of those souls who are too pure for this world.
Zombie Chocolate I subscribed to you because of this comment. It’s so wholesome
@@sussy6628 Thank you so much!
He was so nice! Art teachers usually don't like anime/cartoon styles. You were so lucky
There is art of the heart, an there is art of the snob. You choose, your the one that has to live with it.
Is that it? There’s just two choices? Can I be non-binary?
God, it felt good to listen another person talking about it! I had almost the same experience, but with literature, and I’m Brazilian. I feel like, despite what professors claim, their vision of what is Art (or Literature) is still very limited by what is on trend. Nowadays, the trend is inquisitive Art, critical Art, disturbing Art, aggressive, violent Art. They’re trying to negate what has been done in past centuries, when Art was made to enchant, to marvel, to be breathtakingly beautiful. So now they automatically reject anything and everything that’s easy to like, easy to understand. To be considered realist, Literature now has to agree with all those nihilist philosophers. To be considered valuable, visual art must be ininteligible to common people.
They’re wrong.
Happiness exists, hope exists, beauty exists, Good still exists on this world. Happy Art, beautiful Art, hopeful Art, calm, soothing Art is still Art. There’s SO MUCH emotion in your paintings! The fact that they couldn’t see all the feelings and personality you put in your work is just disgusting. Your professors are DEAD WRONG, and future generations will see that, one day.
imagine putting your students down because it doesnt fit your standards even though everyones art is different
Some think that putting other down, raises them up.
The truth is raise the lower waters and you will rise with the tide.
@animee What? How did he go rouge exactly?
@@thenurseinblack1810 because he wasn't applying what the professors taught, you are able to see things from both perspectives... right?
@@thenurseinblack1810 also not much if all manga is sold in a gallery, manga isn't fine art
@@phillop6076 Oh okay makes sense. Honestly didn't eat the video. Did he say that or just context?
I've had a teacher in high school that said manga was not art, that I should stick to drawing haida art. why? because I am haida. I gave up learning the way of haida art and put all my work into manga. 28 years old now and I found love in both, all cause a man told me that no matter what I draw that is haida art(cause it's drawn by a haida). I started to learn on how to create haida art, but mix with manga.
Manga in that style would look awesome!
On the way home from my school now, we just had presentations and yup, every time I show something that is a little bit more “commercial art” they criticize it a lot... a little frustrating that what you love to make they never approve of😓
Don’t go to school for approval. That’s for kids and magnets and refrigerators.
The method you mention your teachers trying is "breaking the will". They want you to temporarily stop your usual style so they can teach you other methods/styles. There was one kid in our illustration class that had a distinct style. Our teacher finally had enough and shouted "Do you plan to work in this industry because if you do, you must become flexible!" The kid argued back but the instructor then snapped "if you are so in love with your style, then why are you in my class?". The kid dropped the instructor's class. I hate to say it but it was then the harshness that my style was met with made sense. My instructors wanted us to understand realism before going into something stylized...and it really helped my style to learn anatomy and proportions and shading.
But I didn't always agree with their method...like my watercolor instructor painted landscapes with his paint as thick as mud (which i felt defeated the purpose of using watercolors. His style was more appropriate for acrylic, oil, or gouache) and he hated that i painted soft watercolor portraits. I simply ate the grade on that class.
Other classes, i fought like hell to "get"/"understand" the assignments.
I think your instructors are just trying to break your style out of you so they can teach you other styles/techniques. Or trying to weed you out- can you take the criticism? The art world is full of critics.
It happens in other school departments like pre-med. Not everyone has the strength or focus to be a doctor so they start weeding them out early. Also the sciences, it's usually organic chemistry that weeds out the"weak".
If you know for certain you want an art degree, be prepared for lessons that contradict your sense of "art" and know you can always go back to your style :) there was a huge conflict of what was art in my art school. If it was emotional, messy, painted or drawn it was "art" and belonged on the 3rd floor. If it was tightly drawn or digitally enhanced, like your work, that was the illustrators on the 2nd floor. They didn't do art, they did "illustrations". A few of us were between floors but that was the tradition. So it could be your instructors are trying to break you into one school of art or another.
Personally i find your work gorgeous and "what is art?" Does indeed change over time and fads. I hope you are getting the praise you deserve!
Hearing that part about the professor using watercolor thickly killed my soul. I love watercolor for the exact reason that it is thin like water, and just a drop of paint goes a long way. I can't imagine anyone using the medium like acrylics or oils ('cept for James Gurney, he uses watercolor with gouache like gouache).
This comment is the tea. Countless students completely miss the point of education this is why they say education is wasted on the young. So busy trying to rebel that they forget to grow. School isn’t forever, take what you can, and move on. All I know is that I’ve met some pretty bitter folks who are in their forties and still mad that their professor wouldn’t let them draw in more pop styles, it’s sad.
When my aunt was in high school, she took art class. She would work her ass off on her paintings and pictures, yet none of them were to the liking of her teacher. "Put more personality" "use more colour" "be abstract" etc. etc.
Well, there came this one piece of work that she absolutely poured her heart into; she worked on it for days and probably weeks. And she was so, so proud. When she turned it in, the teacher did something to it (I don't quite remember), I think she wrote on it or something, ON THE PIECE ITSELF, telling her some bullshit like to use more colours and and shit.
Obviously, my aunt was FURIOUS. But she just went to the back of the classroom and spent probably 5 to 10 minutes working (bullshitting) on this bright ass rainbow flower. She turned it in--got an A+ on it.
yeah that's pretty normal in art school it teaches you to not get to attached to your artwork.
Rayann Midkiff holy shit So i had an english class once and we were doing a unit of "advanced poetry" where we had to write a long poem that told a story but did it in such a way that it wasnt a story. We were asked to illustrate a scene from our poem and I spent weeks writing it and I did a water color piece of Alice and the Cheshire Cat since my poem was about their relationship and my interpretation of what it could have been and was. in bold red sharpie my teacher wrote Good Job in the smack dab middle of the painting
Ugh yeah teachers are like that 😑 once, near the end of the school year, my Language Arts teacher gave us a project involving art. I had spent so much time on this realistic drawing of a cat since it relates to the book but the teacher only gave me a B- because it "looked like it didn't take much effort and wasn't colorful enough" while my friend pretty much bullshitted their project but got a 100% 😑 you just gotta be able to appreciate ourself and try not let other's evaluations get you down even if they're really pissing you off 😬
I had the same experience in Art class. It's all on what bullshit back story is associated with the piece from my experience. That's when a Highschool teacher sees value in your work.
thedistillers27 I've long said you could sell a turd on a plate to an art museum as long as you can give them a story behind it.
Art teachers: Let loose and give in to chance
Also art teachers: your work has no meaning
I love your watercolor technique so much! thank you for the inspiration
This is a really good explanation of this topic. Like the video and the art
Dude. I study history.
What u do. Which is portraits.
Is something that would very much be considered art during time periods such as the hellinistic Greeks.
Renaissance.
Enlightenment era
And even victorian.
Because the importance of art back then wasn't expression or abstract like with the 60s.
It was to capture beauty
I believe the most important thing in the greek era was to search for the perfect human figure in the image of the gods. The renaicance was more focussed on the study of realism and ever present religious themes. Enlightenment era actually is largely about self expression and political views, and the victorian era is about the idealisation of nobility and wealth.
Ok to be fair, capturing beauty is something that is present troughout all of these themes, but there is always a question of what should be concidered beautifull and why
the absolute worst thing is that impressionism, something those art teachers like, and all derivatives and alikes were essentialy created in rebelion to a strict rules and one organisation of old farts deciding what is and is not art....
And now we have the same old farts making strict rules and deciding what is and is not art while they worship artist from a impressionism era that would tear them to shreds if they would still be alive and seeing what they do...
thats kind of the point tho, its been done, and done way better a million times by people for 100s of years. If you want to win masterchef by cooking the judges a bowl of pasta with tomato sauce... if thats not the best bowl of pasta ever made in the history of food you got no chance. You might go home that night and cook yourself a nice bowl of pasta, and really enjoy it, sure, so will the judges. But a bowl of basic pasta thats been cooked by everyone whos ever put pasta on a cooker is not going to win you an elite cookery competition. Were not talking about a short competition here, were talking about a multi year degree, and the art in this vid is the equiv of a bowl of pasta with tomato sauce.
I like pasta too, but thats beside the point. leonardo davinci painted the mona lisa over 500 years ago, how does this pic of a girl stand up against that? think about it.
@@necaacen the problem with your comparison is that...
Well lets say you would cook best bowl of pasta ever. Those judges, aka art teachers, would tell you that you HAVE TO make a salisbury stake, and dont dare make it your way you have to make it their way, no matter that they like it burned, its how you should cook... And then you go out of art school and the only thing you know is to how to burn salisbury stake and not only that but you hate it...
@@HidekiShinichi they might not be happy with the bowl of pasta ever, if it really was the best pasta ever to grace a bowl they MIGHT be ok with it. But yes, they might not.
I dont think they want you to cook a steak and cook it their way, I think they want you to cook something interesting in a way they havent tasted a million and one times before by people whove done it better than you have. It may seem like theyre trying to get you to do something their way, but theyre not, they would only do that when theyre trying to teach you about doing a thing in a specific way, teaching you something any chef should know like how to cook a proper steak. When it comes to submitting your work tho what theyre looking for is something that they can identify as you, something with a signature to it that is unmistakably you, not something thats indistinguishable from a million people who are all doing the same done and dusted thing that has no distinctive personality.
these people have seen a million portraits painted, theyve seen stuff like this...
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and even something as exquisitely painted as this they have seen many many times. If you hand them this then ull get their respect, but they will still tell you to do something more interesting. If you hand them this watercolour of the girl in this vid... to them its not only uninteresting, it doesnt even get their respect for being an exquisite example of something uninteresting. To an uneducated eye it might look good, but these people have literally seen 1000s of examples of work 10x better that was painted 400 years ago. Theyre looking for something thats interesting and relevant in 2019, something painted by someone who knows their history and how to not repeat it, especially not repeat it with less skill than the originators.
Profesors cannot judge what is and what isnt art. Many of them are frustrated unsuccessful artists themselves. But success alone cannot define anything also.
True.
Low Key What else? But the worst kind of them all are critics and theoreticians. 90% of them are unsuccessful artists also. They suck the blood of true artists. Majority of them.
Ivan Buljan Van Boelken honestly I feel like some professors are jealous because they weren’t as good at that age or still don’t have those skills
Christina C Nicely said
@@MyChristi123 Say whatever you want but most of the art teachers have better understanding of fundamentals and these things never change. Teachers shove fundamentals in the face and if you dont learn them you will get where you want to be slower. I agree they shouldn't tell people what is art but saying someone is jealous of you because they don't think the way you do is stupid. Sry for my english, Im pretty bad 😅
This is fantastic. Thoughtful reflections, and brilliant watercolour technique.
It's so sad, what they sad to you and I'm glad that you did'nt stop to paint in your style. I see your own style inside your work and for me it's art. Sometime I enjoy these abstract pics also, but I like more pictures where I can recognize what is drawn. Go on!
it is because of this i never went to art school. they tease you to do what you love and then degrade for you for doing it. demand abstract things that would have a non pleasant feedback to them. they just kill your pleasure for painting because they are pouring things like " what you like is shit. what you can do is shit" down your throat. i showed my scribbles to a boy who was in art uni and he started to cry. he started to cry because my drawings were of a person who still enjoys to draw, whereas he could no longer find that in himself. and that, my friends... is very sad.
That's horrible!
Wow, that's really sad that art has come to this. Poor guy.
i feel so bad for him! that's really terrible!!
Ana-Maria Wogh someone took an art class in high school and drew manga and anime as her art style and she got an F. Wtf?? My art teacher was this way too. She says that if your art isn't 'unique' then it's not real art...
I'm already there but sometimes its good to be in that position because you can speak up and defend your art that way you make them understand
I remember once having a bitter art teacher who only liked abstract art. The faces of disgust she would make at anything recognizable on paper were quite something to behold. It really bummed me out at the time because I was actually hoping to learn to sketch and paint real things in that class, but instead I was forced to practically mass-produce a bunch of abstract crap I felt no joy or pride in, just to make her happy and get a passing grade. Looking back at it now, I realized that the reason she only wanted us to make abstract art was that she couldn't draw or paint worth a crap, so she couldn't teach us anything else.
As the saying goes "those who can't do, teach."
PiranhaCupcake right! And now I have this problem, from 2/3 years ago (I mean school too) and when we have sketch what we told ... She didn't come to class, and want us to sing and dance ..I'm sad:( hueeee
PiranhaCupcake Yes,there are very much of them like that. They were all unsuccessful artists. Can art be self suficient? Could one be an artist if one doesnt sell his work?
We were supposed to make a piece that represented us and it was 40% of our grade. I made a very realistic piece and was told I was stiff and didn’t think about the piece at all. Someone drew a black page with white dots all over. They made some reason up and passed with flying colors. I was criticized for “lacking creativity” because of my art style.
Grace Stafford And you took that personaly? come on. it doesnt matter what they think. what matters is what you think. sell your art yourself. make money that way, develop your art yoursef. make money by givin private lessons in drawing. like old masters of music did. composition doesnt pay.
I love this video, thank you for sharing your artwork and opinion 💕💕 Amazing work, the picture came to life before my eyes! Thank you again:)
This painting is incredibly GORGEOUS and I would absolutely love to have it hanging on my wall. Her purple skin tone is stunning. You should be very proud of this piece! As long as it's aesthetically pleasing it can be considered as art--beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
That's the reason why I left Fine Arts school... So much bullshit.
Like one day we had to draw the same statue with a specific pencil.
One of my friend was skipping classes that day, so he asked our other friend to borrow his drawing for evaluation...
You know what happened?
With the exactly same drawing, he got better marks.
To me it appeared that the teachers will also judge your art based on what you look like, how they feel about you.
And that was one story among many others...
No freedom either... So many rules to follow to please them...
Did not feel like I was truly expressing myself
exactly what happened to me !
@ThiccHicc I am genuinely concerned that THAT is all you got from their story.
@ThiccHicc Bullshit! They actually have skill (it might need refining, but it's not like total novices attend art-school normally) but art-teachers tell them "TO HELL WITH SKILL, we'll teach you to sell bullshit for top dollar! We don't want your skill, come on bullshit is soooooo much better (and easier to make!)"
@ThiccHicc He literally said that his friend used his other friend's drawing for the evaluation. It was the EXACT same drawing but one got better marks.
Or the professor realized what was going on and decided to give you an indirect lesson...
This is why modern art is going to shit. If the essence of the critiques are "it looks too good", you know the art community is screwed. I think art can be valued by how beautiful it is as well as by how much thought is behind it, and how much emotion it provokes. You don't go to an orchestra to hear unrefined atonal screeching, you don't go to a restaurant to eat rancid, disgusting food, so why would anyone want to go to an art gallery to see garbage that a three year old child could do, that lacks anything that would make it desirable to look at?
This is exactly my problem with "everything is art". I find it lazy that people think everything that isn't anything else is art.
This was so frustrating to me when I studied art in university, whenever I did hyper realistic paintings and portraits my professor and some of the other students would tear it to pieces during critique and praise the students that looked as though they threw their project together at the last minute (it was abstract). They would go on to talk about how much feeling was put into it for over an hour, which was strange to me. Then when I actually did what they wanted (something abstract) they praised me for it, said they could see sadness and so much emotion in it. I was like really? I honestly just scribbled on paper not caring what I came up with to make you happy.
So true, modern art is a scam, their numerous video's made of it on youtube.
ehhhhh i think it depends i believe everything is art because i as an artist put deep emotional significance in my art even if it is composed of a single color or even if its abstract i make art for myself its the only way i feel comfortable expressing myself
Melissa it honestly all depends on the teachers and the school sadly, I got lucky at my school and they appreciated when you did work that you enjoyed and that you actually put time into. Only a few students hated it but those were the ones who didn't like working or literally just didn't do the projects at all. I have a few complaints of course but that's only natural. It sucks that you got treated like that.
This popped up in my feed at random, and I could really relate this to my composition studies. Thank you for your insight!
OMG this is stunning ART :D But I agree, "art is in the eye of the beholder". I hade a similar problem in a photo class, my photos wouldn't be considered art, because I quote my teacher "You are not a known artist and I hade no meaning behind my picture" I always thought of that as funny, because I spent every class explaining the meaning behind the photo, on a deeper level :P
So do I get this right?
Art teacher complains that your Art seems like you drew it to appeal to someone else, THEN he proceeds to tell you what you should draw?
Don't say it like that, it sounds like art teachers are narcissistic perverts who prey on their students.
they kinda were. i mean, not hte perverted part. Though in the not lewd sense I do believe they had a perverted view on what art truly was. No matter how you slice it, Art is a form of expression. and there are just as many ways to make it as there are people. Just like people however, it all begins the same. With a thought, and a desire.
Hence the great contradiction of those teachers. They are just brainwashed, self-contradicting fucks.
Calvin Barnes lmao Exactly!
Calvin Barnes it's worse than that when they tell you "don't be a teacher it detracts from you being an artist" ~ you mean like them?
The majority of teachers can only teach you the tools, they rarely themselves are successful as artists
This video broke my heart on various levels. The fact that your level of skill is rejected and the fact that they are still people who believe that art needs to fit a certain scheme. I feel so sad for what you have gone through.
English literature in my high school was the same. Students had to write their interpretation of a piece of literature. However, they were only given points if their individual interpretation was on the checklist that the markers had. -_-
Something I find encouraging is that none of the students who got A grades that year (two of them in 80 students) ended up writing their own stuff and publishing their own work. I got a D and I later went onto publish two books xP
Woah. I'm glad for you. Congrats in proving them wrong!!
+Humble Leprechaun Thank you:) It is something I always wanted to do, I just want to tell as many people as I can that just because one dude says 'no' doesn't mean you have to give up:)
That's an inspiring story :D
Exactly!! English was my least favourite class in high school. It was more like "the art of regurgitation." I found that thinking deeply about the literature would leave me with comments from the teacher like "this is silly", whereas repeating what the teacher said would impress him somehow. He was known as the worst teacher in the school among students.
Plus there was that story of the guy in college whose class was studying his dad's book. Even though his dad helped him write his essay, he only got a B :\
You are absolutely correct.
Thanks for sharing your ideas and art with us.
Your words and art were beautiful, thank you for sharing this story.
I had a conversation with my mother when I was a child I said "anyone could do this it's really not that good" she just simply replied "but you are the one that's doing it if you didn't then nobody else might" to this day those words sunk in deeply I love my mom as deeply as those words.
Wow, those words are very simple and very deep. I am glad you appreciate your mother. Sending you guys a bit of love. Stay strong!
She was probably talking about her own art...
I absolutely love that! Thank you for sharing!!
In what context was the comment made as it dosnt make sense.
She (6 years old-ish) probably got her drawing complimented by her mom then got skeptic and decided to critcise her art to see if her mom would still love it. Her mother then told her "" which is the reason why she likes it, the end. I guess
A few weeks after my horse died of cancer, I received in the mail a small portrait of her, painted by someone working for my veterinarian. When I opened the package and saw my beloved horse, I wept. I felt the love of the artist, who cared about my horse and about my loss. I felt gratitude for having once had such a wonderful horse. It was a beautiful, bittersweet moment, one that I re-experience every time I look at the little painting.
This little work will never hang in a big important gallery or sell for a lot of money, but that does not matter at all. It shows the true beauty of its creator's heart; it shows the beauty of the Creator, who is love itself. This is the true definition of art -- that it comes from the heart, that it shows truth, that it comes from love, even if it depicts a difficult issue.
Therefore, Laovaan, continue to do your art. Don't worry too much about your professors. Do think about touching peoples' hearts and minds. To do this, work from your own heart. Work with love. Anytime you do this, you make art. When you bring love, joy, a feeling of peace and beauty, or a sense of truth to other people, you know that you are successful.
Amanda Adkisson Reading your comment filled me with bitter sweet feelings. It was so nice, it would be amazing if the artist knows how much his artwork have an impact on a person
This is beautiful.
Personalized pieces such as the one you had created for your beloved horse are what I love doing the most. A lot of professors would look at my work and exclaim that it is not truly art, but it is the opinion of the person I made the piece for that truly matters. I have had several clients cry upon the reveal and that makes it all worth it to me. I know that my pieces may never make it to a museum but they are proudly hanging in someone's home and brought them joy.
Amanda Adkisson , that has got to have been the most beautiful speech I have ever read in a TH-cam comment! I was touched by how well said it was!! Also, my condolences to you about your horse... 😢 Horses are amazing creatures. Just, absolutely amazing.
Amanda Adkisson , wonderfully said..
I took art during my pre-university education, but even at that level, my teachers were very encouraging and embracing of all different forms of art. One thing that I took away from that was about how art can be anything and everything you want it to be, whether it be a blank canvas, Duchamp's inverted urinal or a watercolour painting. It made me appreciate and love art even more.
I feel sorry that your professors don't appreciate the beautiful work that you do, but I think that you shouldn't let their definition limit you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Keep up the amazing work!
I think that piece is absolutely stunning.
Ugh this really bugs me because In my opinion, art is an expression; there is no right or wrong, as there will always be time to learn and improve. After all, art is not about what other people want, it is simply the creation of something that formed from a thought, idea or picture you had in mind.
Exactly!
Iolanthe Komorebi exactly... there was a one time where I painted something, my teacher said she couldn't understand my art and I thought to myself. 'It's not about the simplest objects or to make out what you draw, it's about the passion that radiates and brings your art piece to a better perspective."
I went to a joint arts and technology high school so of course, If u were an art student, you learned different movements of art and ish like that. I'm telling you, those art kids were a little bit stuck up to judge on what was or wasn't art. Anime for example, wasn't art to them. Shame on them, I thought art was suppose to be about expression; creativity!
REChronic54 agreed! People these days just doesn't seem to appreciate anything if they don't understand what it is.
Art is anything which evokes an emotion in the viewer. Be it negative or positive, it stirred something deep down in another person. That is ART. Every artist dreads his production being seen as neutral, for it has neither a neg or pos upon the viewer
It makes me so sad that "true art" has seemingly only become modern and postmodern abstract art. While I'm sure abstract art has a lot of value and meaning to many people, there should also be room for traditional and visually pleasing art. There is this weird idea now that seems to be that art can't be pretty or beautiful to have meaning, which is so constricting to what artists can do if they want to be respected, and get their art in a museum or something. While I'm not an artist myself, I absolutely adore your style of art and there is so much feeling in your work!! Thank you for this wonderful video!!
modern art mostely done in 5 minutes, traditional art is years and years of dedication and training not to mention making a art piece that takes numourus hours. Traditional art is for me more value then modern art beceaus every 6 year old produce modern art.
and not to forget its proven, some people just hang 6 year old work between so called modern artists and nobody notice it. Even a guy for joke stood by a Fire extinguisher and looked at ii as he does with a art piece and the so called art snobs took pictures from it.
You are totally right. There are different styles of art because people have different tastes!! Artists that may not work in the same style as someone else are not any less talented. It's often the same in music, if it isn't classical music then it is not true music. Many people fail to see the talent in more modern musicians as well!!
I am an art student (modern art student) and I do semi-realism. My teachers often tell me I'm very esthetic, however my pieces are also known as the ones with the most meanings among the students hehe. Some picture that dont look very pretty have no meaning, and the opposite is true as well. People needs to stop judging everything and accept different visions.
lenore 1234 dude right! There's no pleasing professors now
I start art school in two weeks. This was good to hear. Up to this point I’ve always drawn for my self and without any technical training had no idea where this would land me with my professors. Thank you for the insight.
Also your art....and that is undeniably art.... is beautiful
You're so talented! And I love how you work with color :) I feel like a lot of fine arts professors have a limited view of art. If the point of pursuing an art degree is to eventually do art professionally, its your authentic style that will attract people to your work. That kind of style can't be forced, especially by another person. For anyone that reads this, don't let those people make you feel insecure about your art.
I have never understood why art is considered academic and could possibly fit into a structured model... art history is understandably academic. Painting and drawing can only really be taught to develope basic technique, and anything further often takes years of unlearning untill the person finds their own style.
I really like your words , i agree with the unlearning part!!
I flunked art in school.
Now I make a living off it.
You make a living at flunking art school, FUCK BRO...
I failed an art class in high school because I dont like being told what to draw or paint. I just cant create something if I dont want to. So I did my own things. Eventually and surprisingly she started grading me off of what I'd do and ended up acing.
simon centeno damn this man is a legend
Gh0st Chili my art teacher last year has this thing we’d do in the mornings where she’d put up an idea or word and we had to draw, paint, sketch or doodle what it meant to us or as a whole
Ismaiel Cummings see now that’s a great art class project! Using actual creativity instead of solid rules! I wish we had that back in my day
Also, love that you are saying that you kind of not care. Just playing along on there terms to get the good parts out of studying art.
Keep this up, if you can keep the distance to there words. It's hard and way too easy to get coloured of that type of critic. But it's realy good to hear you reason about it.
This is so beautiful 😭❤
Art school is basically go in drunk, splat shit on a canvas and write 1-2 pages on how you felt and how the shit captures your person and attitude.
Basically plaster shit onto shit and bullshit your theory, Fine arts everyone.
P.s. Obvs some deviations such as guys like these, everything he put up on this vid i loved, even the post modern type.
I took an advanced placement course on 2d art in high school because I figured "hey, I like to draw" and it was basically your above statement. The most difficult part was probably coming up with some deep ass statement about my art.
Ian Reynolds When working on an animation for my project I was required to write an essay of what I wanted to make, how art and animation made me feel, and how do I see myself in 20 years.
It was frustrating because I work best planing out with thumbnails and then writing a story to help adjust my storyboard. A lot of the information they wanted me to write down didn't even have anything to do with animating. Just counterproductive nonsense.
Exactly same with media studies , allot was just things that seemed like common sense or was just garbage. I personally put it down to that theory is allot easier to grade then practical work.
Yeah sadly people think about Art is about crazy shit draw, but Art is about your voice to tell everyone about an idea, your own opinion through visual.
Not art: very carefully made piece that took hours upon hours of excruciating work.
Art: punches wall.
Not art: anything that you like to make or draw
Art: some gray area between abstract and not abstract 5aht the profs like
@@witherking97 you ever trynna find meaning or just see a colours and thinks thats ugly
@@timotejstrazovsky8101 both
THATS BECAUSE: Punching a wall is at least expressing self.
Not art: combination of skill and talent.
Art: Draw a penis with yelow acrylic on a black canvas
Wow, I really enjoyed your video! At one point I wanted you to stop I thought it was perfect, but you just kept going and it became so much more than the mundane meaning of perfect. The eyes and her expression were really captivating, something about the way she looked at you was really gripping. Thank you for that, sometimes I think what I have made are just seen as lines and shaded graphite on a paper that no one but me appreciates the time, effort, and passion in those lines.
Thank you so much for your wonderful videos! Your art is delicately beautiful.
Long ago, in a galaxy far away, I went to school for art as well. I found that when I did things I liked - detailed and exciting to my mind, I was derided as a hack. I was told by my pottery instructor, that my cat creamer was so beautiful that it would fit right in at the Franklin Mint (i.e. commercial garbage). When I did my relief sculpture for sculpture classes, I was told that it wasn't free enough and was far too constrained. When I did my drawings for drawing class, I was told that I wasn't loose enough and it looked forced. I became so irritated, I thought of bringing in garbage off the street and gluing it down onto a piece of cardboard "as a thought on the Americanized food and waste culture." So I talked to my sculpture prof about it and do you know what he said? "I think that's a great idea!" That was when my heart bottomed out and my passion for art school left. It took me YEARS to understand that art isn't what these people say it is... it's EXACTLY what you said in the video... it is when someone considers it to be art.
What you are doing is BEAUTIFUL and if any of these people tell you it's not art, you can tell them to shove it (very politely of course) because guess what? It may not be some multi-million dollar selling painting that looks like you flung paint everywhere and somehow you get worshippers (yes, I'm talking about Pollock), but you can get hired doing animation for a studio. You can get hired drawing manga for the THOUSANDS of people who love it. You can get hired doing comic books. You can get hired doing concept art for video games, automobile manufacturers... in other words... ***you can make money before you die doing the very thing that makes your heart happy and that you love to do.***
They folded me for a long time and broke my spirit 20 years ago. Don't let them do it to you. Keep doing what you love. There IS a market for it, it IS art, and NO... not everyone can do what you do. One of the funniest things I ever heard during the time I earned my eventual degree in English was, "People only become critics because they can't make the art." Every time I hear one of these professors snapping a spirit in half, I simply think to myself... "And that, my friend, is why you are teaching and not riding high on top of the art world... if you were a screaming success... you wouldn't be here."
You should give inspirational speeches. I LOVED this comment.
those people are mean and ignorant...they dont know art really....art supposed to be self expression...not others interpretation
Madamegato, it broke my heart when I read they affected "your spirit" and took you years to know it had NOTHING to do with your talent, creativity and potential!! You are correct, dear!! How do I know?? I taught and fought with these type of "so called" teachers nearly 40 years.
Heres what I know. True. Teaching ONLY because they are "wanna be" artists. If hey had talent they lacked courage to "put themselves out there". They aren't "called" to teaching, to help others, to acknowledge/thrilled that some students will exceed them!!
Oh, NO..my belief...this so called "teaching" (i.e. criticizing creative young artist) feeds their perverted egos which enable them to rationalize their fear, their lack of courage, creativity, and love of people, love of Art..
Ive witnessed these teachers gathering together to defend their "critical eye", put down those who will excel above their abilities, knowledge and justify/rationalize doing so..
They lie to each other/to themselves while doing the COMPLETE opposite of TRUE Instructor..
First clue you're teacher is "a fraud"?? You begin by losing confidence, you doubt what you KNOW is good, is talent, is uniquely yours! Finally, they break your spirit, your confidence!
I'm so sorry. I'm VERY proud that you did eventually understand! Some never will...
It's criminal in my opinion. It's one of the worst sin against people...
When will we quit hiring people who are not teachers?? Sadly majority are like yours...
Very well said. 😍 thank you for this.
That was an beautiful and incredibly wise advise
This is the one thing I hate about art...I’m studying art and I love realism. My teachers want me to go abstract, but abstract art doesn’t interest me or stimulate my feelings in any way (although some abstract art is interesting and it really depends on personal preference). People try too hard to convey a deep message, whilst not caring about making a pretty picture or really that much about the message itself, only that there is one. I often had to force projects and pretend that I liked the artists my teachers would assign to me. The subject of Art is no longer about expressing your own personal preference, and that makes me really sad...
A J l thats so bizarre, usually I hear they push for the other way around... 😓
Jules Juno 😪😪😪
I'm sorry to hear you had to force projects. But I do somewhat agree with the "professor's", just making a pretty picture doesn't make substantial art. An artwork needs to carry depth and feeling to stand out from the endless ocean of shallow works that we are made every day. I won't say that pretty pictures aren't art, the dilemma is just that when making a picture with only an esthetical appease it doesnt reflect the creator or his intricate mindset, leaving the painting to be just that: a painting. Especially with the introduction of the camera the function of capturing reality in a realistic manner is no longer a niche of the art world, so art schools want you to create your artistic style that sepperates you from anyone that knows how to work photoshop.
Floris Bakker oh no I completely agree with you! Of course a pretty picture is not all that matters in art...It should be a reflection of you and your subject, and should express or evoke some feeling! I guess I just don’t like people forcing messages onto art and making them seem deeper than what they had really intended? (I’m not sure if that makes sense’:) Also, professors can be very hypocritical in their approach to your art... I have two art teachers and they both always oppose each others views. One teacher loves and supports my project, and the other hates it🤷♀️ Art is in the eye of the beholder, but it doesn’t seem fair to judge projects like that...
@@dapromasta That's the problem to me: EVERY painting is just a painting, regardless of how intricate or creative or original it is. In the end it's purely a matter of opinion. It is for the public to decide if something stands out or not.
Art is defined by those who are moved by what they see ... and it is why your work is art it moved me so beautiful. Dance is a form of art because it makes you feel .
You are amazing I might be an amateur but an artist non the less and your work is inspiring!!!
your explanation and experience in this video is EXACTLY what i went through and agree completely with you.
This just makes me want to be an art teacher and actually encourage my students about their passion.I wanna be the one that won’t try to force everyone.I wanna be a good example.I want to show them that its okay to be yourself.I want to make a good impact on their art career.
Aldrich Lycan I’m probably going to be an art teacher. I want to get a PhD in fine arts
I have endorsement and MA but most art teachers teach 30 minutes each class to k - 12 to a small set of standards. I have seen good art teachers in schools but I feel conventional schools are too restricting. There are many people taking off teaching unconventional art who are self taught. Why did I spend all that money?
Yes please, my high school art teacher changed my life all around! Then my art professor ruined it few years after...
Become a high school art teacher. It's the only place in that student's studies where you can really impact that.
@@rachelt1530 This is a point I just made on this thread. How do you feel the professor ruined things for you? I'm very interested in this as I'm a high school art teacher.
I've been reading a lot of the comments on the video. It seems that for many people arguing against Laovaan's statements, the point at which something becomes art is when they see a deeper meaning in it. Some expression, an idea, a story, an emotion, anything.
So that person looks at a piece and finds none of these. It's merely an illustration to them. Their verdict: This isn't art.
This whole process is inherently subjective because a completely different person might find something in the piece and therefore call it art. And you don't have to scroll far to find people on any of his pieces that had some kind of emotional reaction to it. Who is right? Do you go by majority? Do you go by what it would be paid for it on the market? Does the artist themselves not count at all?
The only consistent solution is to separate the idea of value and art. Art is a category, and every object in that category is valued differently by different people. When I insist that whatever I created is art, that does not mean I require you to give it the same value that I do. However, I give you the option to value it in the first place, because I placed it in the category of art.
This is what Laovaan is saying in this video! A lot of people assume he wants you to value the piece on the same level as him, but that is not the case. The distinction between art and illustration is irrelevant at this point. Illustration should be seen as a subcategory of art, it's still a form of artistic expression. If you give that whole category a lower value simply because it's "just illustration" then that's totally fine. But saying that because it doesn't reach a certain threshold it should not be considered art gets us back to the problem I described above.
Who is the judge? Either it's everyone or no-one. It's not rare that you need some context to truly understand an art piece. What if you lack that context? What if that context emerges after the fact? What if only the artist is aware of that context and keeps it to themselves?
The fact that so many people are responding indicates that there's something deeper happening here. If there wasn't a context before, it sure as hell exists now. This video, comprised of the spoken word part and the painting, is a piece of art. You all made it that by interacting with it, whether you like it or not.
I know some people are saying it's not art, which I disagree with, but I have also seen some saying that the distinction is that it's not fine art. That I do agree with. To people that study art and art theory and have gone to art school, it is no surprise to us that his professors reacted to his work like this. My problem is not with him making this kind of art. Everyone should do what makes them happy. What I do have a problem with is the fact that this person in the video is pursing a Studio major and is not seeming to get why peers and professors are calling him out. If this was a person in a design/graphic design or illustration major I don't think this video would have even been made.
missvintagevanity check out his follow up video. If it wasn't clear, he is studying art to become a teacher and I agree with him that there are certain distinctions to be made with regards to what the aim of that program should be compared to studying art for itself.
I mean that clears things up a bit, but what grade level is he planning on teaching?
Echolox i believe art has 2 meaning. one is when your drawing has a meaning and you are trying to convey something to the others and the other is when your drawing is hollow and has no meaning but you are just suppose to be immersed in it and feel it's beauty as if it cannot speak so you cannot hear or understand.
Echolox Agreed. Btw, I like your music.
This piece you created looks awesome. Keep going in your own direction sir.
I love your painting on how you got her skin to look like that is amazing..& yes like you i consider everything to be Art thank you for shareing
Me: *draws a dragon with some extra details and it turns out good*
My art teacher: *WhAt Is ThiS CrAP*
Me: *draws anime character of my own for many hours of thinking and hesitating*
Art Teacher: ... Wtf is dis?
Me: ... DRAWING
Teacher: It's not art, do it again.
Me: *le cries to da corner*
happened to me exactly like this lol
Rose Vine Angel oof, my art teacher says that it’s ok for me to draw anime in my free time but I should try learning some traditional techniques so I’ll be able to move forward faster, I have to say, I’d agree with them
Showed my sketchbook full of original Manga and cartoon illustrations in elementary school, and the teacher said, "if you keep drawing childish doodles like this, you're never going to make a living for yourself."
Showed my sketchbook of landscape sketches and still life studies, and my college professor said, "you need to branch out and find something else to draw. Anyone can do this, it's boring."
You can't win with teachers dude.
Briana .H oof
It's kind of sad to see all that people judging art as if it were trash. For me, art is something that creates an emotion, be it anger, admiration or happiness. I found many people worrying too much about techniques, but for me, they are just a tool to let you express what you want.
I think many people undervalues manga art because they think is a silly cartoony thing that has no work on it. I've seen several documentaries about manga creation processes and I'm amazed by all the effort that is needed to complete one single page. Besides, the more you read, the more you realize the different styles and authors. I hope that one day, manga will be appreciated by scholars as well.
Btw, I love your portraits, no matter what. I can see a little part of you in each of them. You have all my support and admiration :)
One of my friends is an amazing mangaka, and it's amazing to see the talent and hard work she puts into everything she makes. I feel so sad when I hear that people don't think it is art because it shows how little they know about it and it degrades the people who make it.
Hi, I'm from Brasil, my english is not good, but I want tell you about the experience I had talking with an artist. We were discuting about what is art, and he told me a real artist has more than good skills, a real artist should break the edges of his own mind, his believes. We use here the expression "to think out from the box", if you know what I mean. So, you have wonderful skills, you know how to express yourself, now you need go out from the safe zone where your mind lives. I think it is what your professors want from you, do you understand? I love your work and your channel! Continue growing! Sorry my bad english🙃
that's your opinion man, familiarity has it's own value, and beauty is nothing to shy away from, why make some edgy looking shit smear when he can create a skilled masterwork like this.
Umiko Lunita manga it's the only art that makes me cry my heart out. When I look at those modern art things the only feeling that I get is "wtf"
I heard about a painting pig, whose works were taken to an art gallery without telling who made them. The people there were like "this expresses deep emotions of the artist" or "a picture of everyday's struggle" or the other usual shit people visiting galleries say to appear sophisticated. Then they were told the paintings were made by a pig.
Bro your art is gorgeousus!!!!!
Your art is beautiful ! Thanks I love it!
I am no artist, but the way I see it - every artist has his own ideas, style and ways to express their art. Duty of universities is to teach a wide range of means of how this could be done. And by no means this should be focused on one kind of "type" of true art. Students should be encouraged to pick their own form of expression and as well as market where they are looking to work with.
Totally agree- that would be an ideal school! I also notice that not only do trends but change over time, but different countries can have different approaches too (I guess the environment and society has a big impact despite more globalisation) - I noticed big differences between general perceptions about what looks pleasant in Europe, NZ and Japan. I love his definition that art is art if you define it as art :)
Perfectly said .
This is 👏👏👏
Academically, the courses in college & university attempted to produce a wide range of artists, & while it's hard to become an extremely unique individualistic artist like Picasso & Da Vinci, their objective to produce artists with such value still stands. And that's what university is for, to bring that value up, so it is for the artist to find one unique trait that becomes one's special trademark, like Picasso did for instance.
We live in an ugly and often sordid world, but not all is ugly, so I prefer to buy or paint beautiful things, landscapes, people, I prefer realism to abstract, so I paint or draw people realistically, my landscapes look like real places. If that is not considered art, too bad, that is what satisfies my soul. I like this painting of yours very much , the colours are lovely and it IS pretty, but in my eyes that is not a bad thing.
Hey hey hey buddy. Im sorry nobody has let you into this. But. Why don't u literally google something pretty. Or use this device call a camera. Sorry u spent all those hours sitting there when u could've gotten the same thing (probably better quality) in one second.
@@quackyduck5570 first of all, a painting is much more personnal than a photograph. When you see a painting you can see every brush stroke and avery hours that the artist has poured into it. And creating something beautiful by your own hands is much more satisfying than just looking at a beautiful picture. For exemple I'm absolutely shit at drawing, but I've been trying to get better and even though none of my drawings could be considered pretty, I still find some of them very nice just because I made them my self and I've surpassed myself.
@@rachelt1530 I never said that I said it was more personnal
@@quackyduck5570 you sound like what I meant when I said an ugly and sordid world, oh and by the way I am also a pretty experienced amateur photographer. I got into photography when I first started painting in watercolours (how I started with painting), I wanted to paint landscapes and architecture from my own photos and experiences and I have achieved some recognition.
"Ugly and sordid" take a pic pro it'll last longer. You shouldn't be talking at all in the first place, cuz we are rwplying to *your* comment. Dont add a very opinionated comment and expect that no one is allowed to argue their view. Your not the king or something.
If you want something personal why don't you express yourself on canvas instead of literally copying. This isnt truly "personal" since you aren't putting any of your own personal and complex human thought into it, you are just copying. This doesnt serve a function except the way it looks. It stops right at "oh. Its *insert a thing*. Great okay why do i gaf it has nothing special or any emotion i'll just google it when i get home." That's the same thing as a picture. Its really superficial to praise something based on looks. And many abstract arts are heavily based on "strokes and texture". It just doesn't look like anything recognizable and you are just too ignorant to at least try looking at the meaning it's trying to convey instead of dismissing it. One reason they remove all recognizable form: to isolate their personal experience and meaning, it can be quite beautiful, in looks and emotion.
So if your so hung up on "personal" and pretty things stop attacking modern art and stay in your lane so you don't encounter more "sordid" places your majesty.
Your art is so good!
Whoa! Keep doing what you do! You did make a very important critique of the "art performances " in elite spaces !
now im kinda scared about going to an art college.. i didnt expect that to be the teachers opinions .. how devasting
luise -chan I'm sorry to tell you that what it is said in this video is true for most of the art schools. It is also true that you'll have some teachers that will help you grow and will be amazing but the majority of them are just there not because they want to pass their knowledge but because they didn't make it as artists and need a way of living.
Unfortunately, these people have diplomas but that's it.
One of my "teachers" was despicable and one day I asked myself, who is this person to tell me that my work is not good enough or that it has no meaning if he is never been able to make a good decision about his own art? How can someone make judgements so quickly about others creative decisions when your own is so bad that never made it out of your studio? Should I really listen to this person's advise?
Art school was terrible for me and nothing like i imagined. It was a crushing experience. To put it this way for a project a peer collected two dead squirrels from our campus and pegged them on the wall and said she didnt want to explain it and wanted to observe peoples reactions. She did it the night before last min because she had nothing else. My prof ate it up. I carved and cut a wooden piece exploring native american ideals and my prof said it looked like a craft. I hope your experience is better then mine.
luise -chan That's why I keep doing it as a hobby.
luise -chan You can make art a career but you don't necessarily need art school to do that. You just need a good portfolio that you can work on during your spare time.
All art schools help you with is networking and resources. And even then you can find those online and by looking up networking events.
Don't listen to a teacher who would mock your works. But you also have to evaluate yourself. Trust me. I had this experience when I went to university one of my teacher said " This is how you should be or this the right example". I followed his opinion and It was completely disaster.
My art Prof just told me:
Art is about Interpretation. The watcher must be able to interprerate. No matter if it is "only" colors where you can interpretate or patters. Your picture has to tell a story and how it feels.
Before I talked to him I thought Art is only about "looking good" but now i know it is way more, there can be ugly pieces but have more meaning than beautiful artwork.
MushroomOnFire
Your professer sounds like a wonderful person.
MushroomOnFire sure unless it's a dot on a blank canvas and it gets more attention than something that has actually effort put in
yea, reading all these comments, im starting to realize and see what art college's, professor's, etc, are trying to get you to understand. That art isn't just about looking good. Anyone can make something that looks good. What anyone cant just create is the concept, like, idk it's kind of hard for me to explain, im not great with explanations. But its like, the idea, what the painting has in itself. It's thoughts, the heart, the idea, the concept, etc. It''s not just about looking good. IT's like a person. They could dress to look their best anytime but whats going on inside their head? their thoughts? their feelings? their heart? man, i really didn't think i'd be like those type of artsy people who would talk like this, as a kid i'd laugh at this kind of stuff, but now that im actually grasping an understanding here, its feels different :0
***** i think it should be the opposite. Not everyone can make stuff that looks good. It takes years of practice. What's easy to do is to splatter some paint on a canvas ant then tell that it represents your messy soul.
It's wasier to understand different kinds of art when you don't rate things as ugly/beautiful. Because it's ALWAYS subjective.
Professor: "Everyone can do that"
Me: WHAT U MEAN ANYONE?!!
Honestly, you're a great artist man!!!
I don’t care what the professors say this is beautiful art! Loavaan, you make wonderful art so be proud! If you want to be a teacher be a teacher. It won’t make you any less of an artist. For an artist is a creator and art is the express full creation. The world may shun but that shouldn’t matter what matters is how you feel about your art after all make art for you and not others otherwise you may hold back out of fear of their opinions instead of your heart’s own facts. So with this I say thank you for your fabulous art and for your videos!
to all the other artists out there reading this: Never, and I mean NEVER give up on your art. Your personality, dreams, ideas are all portrayed by your creations, and for someone to tell you that's not good enough- who are they to say that? You bring into this world what you like. What you are. Who you are. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise 💙
Aww thanks man.
Like they said NEVER GIVE UP ON YOUR DREAMS!
thank you. I'm still learning how to draw/paint stuff other than hearts and roses.......... oh, and animals to a certain point. - all I can do well. - ........... doesn't help that I'm self-learning and not in art school. ^^;
Cara Leigh Thank you, this actually really motivated me to start drawing again ❤
Too late. I stopped drawing in my journal because a fellow student badgered me to pay attention to them, not my sketch of him.
I think it is fair in art school for them to push you out of your comfort zone, to ask you why you are doing something, to move you to try different styles. But to tell you what "art" is? No, that's up to the person making it and the person viewing it. As far as "illustration" being more commercial, it is true. I would buy something like the painting here, but not that abstract stuff you were doing. Not all artists must starve. In the end, get what you can from your education and when you are finished, do your own art.
Agree. Art education usually pushes student to explore the far reaches of art and do things nobody have done before, or area long forgotten. Having such one tracked mind in what is art is counter productive.
I think this is gorgeous, love it
in all honesty I love your art work it is so beautiful im honestly in shock