The Mirage Pipe Mystery in Super Mario Sunshine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2022
- Super Mario Sunshine is a seaside dream with plenty of things to love and hate. However, perhaps there's more layers to this dream than it appears. In Ricco Harbor there is a mysterious pipe the player cannot reach due to being out of bounds. Based on its location it should exist in a different area... But it does not. This is the Mirage Pipe mystery of Super Mario Sunshine, so I hope you enjoy this look at something peculiar!
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And thanks Kirby for agreeing with me on the newest Smg4 Video.
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If I was a Nintendo worker, I would put a random pipe or door in every single level and happily watch videos like these trying to know why they’re there
Menace to society
i think the fact they don't do that is the reason why every time it happens it is super noticeable
This is the reason I want to make games lol
Some people just want to watch the world burn
And then there’s this f*cker
@@BillehBobJoe what this could be is a pipe they placed accidentally and due to coding issues, when they remove it the whole game doesn't work. Stuff like that happens all the time.
Sunshine modder here :) In the E3 build of the game there was a pipe on both islands. ricco's distance model also has an early design for the sand bird tower as well. Even the vertex coloring on the 2D tree matches that of the vertex coloring in the E3 build of the game.
Oh dang! That's really good to know. Thanks for sharing!
@@SwankyBox I was doing some math for your minecraft mario 64 challenge and you cannot avoid the red coin stars any longer it's simply impossible to get 70 stars otherwise I know you think they're torture but unless you get at least 5 more you cap out at 65 in a best case scenario either way I hope you can get 70 stars
@@dannydemaria1930 why not go comment on that vid then?
@@thisnameisbad3609 I did that already
Pretty sure it's from a previous build where Pinna Park was accessed by that specific pipe before they changed it to the cannon.
Ah yes, the mysteries of the backgrounds in Mario Sunshine. There are some parts that are known to be leftovers from previous versions of the levels so maybe, just maybe there originally really was a pipe there.
That was my first thought
Considering the boats circle that island before heading off to the other one, my guess is that the Yoshi pipe was originally just on that Island and not the far off one. They likely changed it because they felt it was too easy to get Yoshi to that island and put the pipe on the other island and made the boats travel in packs to the different islands for more of a challenge. Of course, that solution is terrible, but the original one would have been too easy, but more preferable in hindsight.
@@GBDupree Hmm, interesting. Considering there's the wooden structure with fruit for Yoshi to eat in between the islands (a unique asset), I'm inclined the say that the challenge was designed to be like that / difficult from the start. On the other hand, the low-poly warp pipe in the background is also a unique asset so it couldn't have been put there in a hurry. But then what was the other island originally for? Maybe the lady with the basket used to be there. Also worth noting is that the other island is relatively detailed as seen from the Airstrip. It even has a fully modelled tree but surprisingly no warp pipe.
Ditto!
I wonder if you used to access the sewers using pipes, and it's a leftover from that. Or maybe they switched the places of the 2 islands later in development.
That's another interesting way to look at it!
Love your videos but I have to ask, which beach did you visit? Looks like South Carolina or the east coast.
I mean, sewers are one of the few places where it would make sense for pipes to lead there. I guess Nintendo didn't want to draw attention to that.
Tbh i think this is the most logical/likely scenario. Its exactly the sort of thing thatd slip through
The background might have been made before the green pipe was converted into a manhole cover or moved.
Pipes could of also been used as a placement holders for man holes in testing, and they just copied objects on the island, and never replaced it properly
well this is the boring answer so i dont want to accept it
@@spimbles You don't have to. It's only a theory of mine
90% sure it's this.
@@thetimean3985 christ lol wish youd develop a theory on what a "sense of humor" is 🙄🙄🙄
love the Mario Sunshine mysteries so much. more like that Swanky
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I’m legitimately shocked that I didn’t really think about that pipe. Another possibility is that originally the pipe to the lily pad minigame was on that particular island in an earlier point of development, and the mirage pipe was placed there in Ricco Harbor assuming that it would stay that way. But then the same sadistic dev who made the pachinko level decided to put it on the other Island instead, just to make it that much more painful to get the Shine, and then they simply forgot to alter the background of Ricco Harbor to reflect the change.
The sewer entrance on the real island was originally a pipe. The "mirage" island's proxy was created at that time. The reachable island's pipe was changed into a sewer entrance, and the "mirage" was not.
It's just developer oversight.
I cannot count the amount of times I tried swimming against the barrier to try and get through it and swim to the island when I first played the game, I just love looking around games even when I know nothing (notable) is there.
I try to always play Mario Sunshine during the Summer. It just feels like a summer game to me.
There can be a few ways we look at this.
1. We could look at it as a general mistake that the warp-pipe was there.
2. We could look at it as it was left over from a previous design-decision(before they decided on the manhole covers) that was forgotten and wasn't changed in this level.
3. We could look at it as they switched the islands by mistake, and that this Island was never meant to be there.
4. We could look at it at as maybe an act of defiance against the decision to have a manhole cover there, on an Island, and a developer/designer decided to sneak the pipe in the background of the level to show what it "should have been" instead, before some stupid board meeting or manager change decided on the manhole-covers.
Manhole-covers are something very big in Japan, and are extremely detailed. Each prefecture has their own detailed style and some are even very colored, so I assume this was the reason this Isle had their own detailed manhole covers, and why they decided to keep with the theme of the manhole cover, even on an Island.
We need a sunshine remake that allows us to swim or turbo nozzle to the other levels, it could work just like Bowser's fury
I think its interesting that Sunshine and its areas are all kinds of states yet not quite the same. In the M portal for Ricco Harbour it shows a old version of Pinna Park in it or if you go to Bianco Hills the Helipad isnt in Ricco Harbour you can see. It shows it wasnt finished but gives you a glimpse on what was built upon
It would be really cool if someone were to remove all the invisible walls from the sea so that we can float over to them and see how the island model changes up in each level. Especially in Pianta Village, I wanna see what the rest of the island other than Pinna Park looks like at night.
Due to the way Sunshine handles collision, Mario cannot physically exist where no ground exists. Even the levels floating in space have an invisible death floor under them to adhere to this rule. It's not really possible to remove the invisible walls around levels because those walls exist where the floor ends.
@@uglybad4 fair enough. I do recall there being a mod that lets you use the hover nozzle infinitely though so I guess that could be helpful in some way?
@@ayo.2022 It is impossible to go over the level boundaries because the invisible walls literally go up forever, if that's what you're suggesting. Since there is no ground for Mario to stand on, the engine will prevent him from ever crossing the barrier. There isn't a literal wall made of geometry, it's just Mario being prevented from being in a space with no floor.
@@uglybad4 ah, I see. Guess that's pretty much out of the question. Thanks for the info, anyway
@@uglybad4 Would it be possible to mod the game and manually place a floor that extends out far enough to allow Mario to reach the OOB areas? Or change memory values to trick the game into thinking Mario is still in bounds even if he isn't?
(I don't have a whole lot of modding or game design experience so I'm mainly talking out of my ass here)
Mario Sunshine videos are my favorite kind, I can never have enough of them
Same lol
Wait...people didn't like the heat waves? That was my favorite part of the game's aesthetic as a kid. It always fascinated me so much to watch.
I loved it
I think it's left over from an old version and they forgot to change it. Not that the distant level geometries are very consistent anyway. If you look at Ricco Harbor from Bianco Hills, the helipad isn't a helipad.
I love Super Mario Sunshine content, super excited seeing this in my feed.
As time goes on, more of these will come and go. I wonder how long it will really last tho. With the internet and games being torn apart faster than ever things like this get harder and harder to exist or last due to updates being standard.
@Smash 123 What did they say that was confusing exactly?
Maybe the island originally had a pipe on it, and all the sewer network on Delfino Laza were pipes instead of manholes. But somewhere in development the pipes were replaced by manholes, and the background island in Ricco Harbour was an oversight where they forgot to update the pipe?
People hated the heat effects? Why? I loved the way everything was so immersive.
I love how realistic this game's water looks, even by today's standards
@@williamdrum9899 agreed. I remember every single person i knew who saw it at the time was massively impressed
I actually saw that as a kid and simply thought ‘they got the islands backwards’.
Same. I figured it was the original place for the yoshi island, and they just swapped it later, after putting in the back ground objects
Seems to me the pipe could also have been used for the sewer transitions. I mean... pipes!
Possibly it was decided later in development that pipes should serve their traditional roles of taking the player to new areas. To make things consistent, the sewer pipes were removed as they didn't serve this purpose, and replaced with the manhole covers.
Rico Harbor's skybox was never updated to remove the pipe, since, as stated, it doesn't stand out as out of place and was probably just overlooked.
I think it was just an oopsie where the level designers mixed up that island with the other one
In some pipes, you can bonk yourself through the warp thing. I remember doing this way too much when playing. Butt stomp bonk myself into the pipe and falling through.
I think I vaguely remember that pipe. If my memory serves me, I always considered the mysterious pipe to be a hint about the manhole leading to the sewers.
the heat wave effect in this game is great, blew my mind when i first played it on lsd
I wonder how much more hidden and buried details/mysteries remain in games of yesteryears, especially Super Mario Sunshine 😯
I think that the manholes used to be pipes before manholes existed, so maybe the pipe is just supposed to be a decorative manhole, but the devs forgot to change the pipe to a manhole
Always love these videos, keep em up!
You can find Luigi down that pipe, and play as him! 100% true! :p
This game still looks great after 20 years.
There are times I think, "Is he just stretching out this video?" However, by the end of the video you greatly appreciate the time and setup for the content he was setting up. Great video as always SwankyBox keep it up!
There are times I think , “ Is he just stretching out this comment on this video. “ However by the end of statement you fell asleep and enter alternate universe where there’s no TH-cam.
@@CDRiley Gottem?
I feel like this was a foregone conclusion: In 20 years, if there had been something in that pipe, people would have found out, whether it was accessible in regular gameplay or not. & sure, people could mod something to be in there, but if the only point to modding it is to... give it a point by making it have something, then was there a really point to the addition to begin with? It's tragic that it's just a mirage, & SMS isn't a TRULY open world game, but oh well.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
"HE'S COMING BACK! REMOVE THE PIPE AGAIN!!!"
There's nothing that terrifies a Super Mario Sunshine player more than an island with a single palm tree and a pipe
The DEATH RIVER ☠☠☠☠
I've done a ton of research on this, and the pipe was simply relocated in the final game. The older version of Delfino Plaza had numerous green pipes like this in old footage of the game, even using the same low poly model as this one. This pipe in particular is a leftover from earlier in development, much like how the old square girders in place of the helipad in Ricco Harbor can be seen from Bianco Hills.
Also, eagle-eyed sunshine fans will notice that the palm tree next to the pipe here is also using an early design from old footage too, with a much more colorful trunk compared to the standard yellow seen in the final game.
"Seeing is believing. We've all heard that phrase before". Actually, that's the first time I've heard that, BUT, the same day you released this video (Feb 20th), the Game Grumps released a video of Danganronpa where a character says "Seeing is believing, as they say." and I found pretty interesting that two videos released the same day by different creators used the same quote that I never heard before.
It's surprising that you've never heard that, it's a pretty well known phrase
Xenoblade Chronicles is another example where a character says it (also, totally play Xenoblade, it'll become your new favorite game)
@@Jordan3DS That' because I'm not from an english speaking country! My main language is spanish. Now that I remember, we say "Ver para creer" but that translate to "You gotta see it to believe it", used in the context of: "I don't believe you, you gotta show me proofs". I.e:
-I just got world record on a Mario Sunshine speedrun!
-Yeah, sure.
-I'm serious!
-"Ver para creer"
I don't know how I've discovered your channel but the Last 2 days I've binge watched it all , absolutely stunning content....sub achievement my friend 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
in theory, could it be beta content? like originally the game had pipes instead of sewer grates but decided to change it after Rico harbor was made so they forgot about it and didn't change it?
If you get to the Casino pipe in SMS in the other Casio episode (I think it's King Boo, but not entirely sure off the top of my head) you'll find that the loading zone is gone from the pipe.
Hey Swanky, great video! I’m always happy to see Sunshine get exposure from bigger TH-camrs(especially the ones I like), it makes my day!
I can also help shed some more light on the Mirage Pipe if that’s cool(not to be the “ummmm ackshully” type of guy lol). Ricco Harbor uses a beta version of its low poly models! The Mirage Pipe did actually exist at one point on that island(I think it appears in one of the opening cutscenes as well). Additionally, if you look at Gelato’s low poly model from Ricco, you can also spot some differences, particularly with the Sand Bird Tower(it blew my mind when I first noticed that lol).
Thank you for the video, Swanky!
Edit: I fact checked myself, the Mirage Pipe _does not_ actually appear in a cutscene, oops. Not entirely sure where I got that one from lol
If there is a manhole there from the hub world, maybe it was originally a pipe, got changed in the hub world but the background version of the island didn't get updated. Maybe all the manhole covers were originally pipes?
Haha you are so right great vid, just finished it!
I loved the heat effect in Mario sunshine! I always was bummed the game was not as long as SM64... or at least.... it seems shorter...
Always like your videos 👍 good job as usual
Fascinating, great video!
If I had to offer a guess, I'd say that pipe is a remnant of an earlier build where there may have been a pipe there. Perhaps, even, at one point there were pipes that would lead you he sewer instead of manholes?
Either that or it was just a mistake and nobody noticed
I never saw this mini island on a ricco harbor level. It would’ve been a great discovery if I saw it. I’d love to explore the mystery hidden around it.
Awesome video, thanks so much for answering this question I've had for years!!
My best guess was Nintendo trying to make an actual mirage for aesthetic purposes, but not knowing for sure has been bugging me. Lol
For those of you who don’t know what “mirage” mean, it’s an illusion.
One example is when you're walking in a desert or driving on the road and you see water but it disappears when you got closer.
@@firedragon7456 that too.
Oh thank god everyday is made 10x better with a swanky video
Someone should make a mod that removes the invisible wall in Ricco Harbor and changes that pipe and island to a real pipe and island, making the pipe actually go to a new map but doing absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest that this has been done.
Epic troll
You could get yoshi over there if a ride boat from the docks in Delphino Plaza in the GameCube version. You'd need Yoshi because it had that weird yellow stuff on top of it.
This reminds me of a video I saw on Dark Soul's skyboxes, and how they don't always necessarily match up to the actual locations depicted. While this is sometimes intentional, such as to help exaggerate the distance between two areas (when they might actually be much closer to each other,) some skyboxes might instead reflect an earlier design for an area, and was simply left as-is. In this case, the pipe in the skybox may indicate that a pipe was previously located on that island, and may have been either moved to the farther island, replaced with the manhole cover, or have been used to enter a different area than the poison river. It also could have just been an oversight, and there may have never been a pipe on that island, but it's more likely that the skybox simply depicts (that part of) Isle Delphino as it was at the time of the skybox's creation.
as a speedrunner of the game didn't know that models just stoped really cool video man!
Sunshine is even after all these years one of the best games to dig content Up. Same goes for Luigis Mansion. So many interesting tidbits everywhere.
I loved watching Redfuzzydices Sunshine Beta Videos and now whenever Swanky Uploads Sunshine or Luigis Mansion content, i always get exited.
One thing i always tried as a Kid. When I finished the game and saw Palmassimo find the Magic Staff from Bowser Junior i always tried to find the Island where He found it. And Well... I did kinda. It's the beach you find a Turbo nozzle on in the 3rd area. Gelato beach to be exact.
Hey, sorry if this bursts your bubble, but RedFuzzyDice(aka MagicScrumpy/scrumpy) plagiarized a lot of their content. I’m not trying police who you can/can’t like, just spreading the information lol 😅
@@AngryMax Dude it's been years since i watched Redfuzzydice. I didn't know that but thanks for telling me.
The more you know.
@@waveburner1254 Npnp, I'm glad to spread the info! Sorry again, don't mean to be _whatever_ about it, if that makes sense lol. Enjoy your day!
@@AngryMax Hey it's fine.
Have a good one too bud.
@@AngryMax Who did they plagiarize content from?
with all the weird positions of pipes it just makes me think someone at nintendo is having way too much fun
I’ve been playing this game since it was released and never noticed this… and I play it a LOT
Mario Sunshine is not just my favorite Mario game, but one of my favorite games period.
So of course i liked this video and totally want more!
that's where a sewer thing is when you're in the hub woirld, maybe at one point they were pipes instead?
Yay more mysteries!
I bet that pipes were originally intended to provide sewer access
It seems like they probably got it confused with the Lily Pad Ride island, but they forgot what island it was on.
This is a pretty long way of saying "Look, they removed a pipe that was here but it's still in the BG image. Pretty neat."
Maybe the pipes were originally going to be used as underground transportation or it was just an unused secret pipe accidentally left in the game
"This island is a sight of suffering for most players."
Island? More like a mountain..with the amount of effort it takes to overcome it.
I can't believe it's taken me my whole life to notice that island shouldn't have a pipe on it.
There's another oddity, When you view Ricco Harbor from Bianco Hills, the heli pad is instead a square shaped girder.
Huh, don't think I ever noticed the heat effect before outside of that cutscene.
I ADORE this game. It doesn't get enough love. Most people I know have never even heard of it. :(
This is so weird. In all my years playing this game I never noticed anything off about that island
Just a random guess, but perhaps in an earlier version of a game the out of place manhole on the island was replaced with a pipe to take you back to town, and the developers forgot to remove it from the ricco harbour model after updating delfino plaza
Ok so I've stared at Delfino Plaza from Ricco Harbor A LOT and never once realized there shouldn't be a green pipe on that island...
Thank you for the video.
And this is why Nintendo needs to take some tips from the one mod that makes Mario Sunshine one big open world with connected levels and made a remake of Mario Sunshine with one big open world with connected levels.
Yay new video
knew about this my whole life, always saw the pipe off the distance from rico harbor, always wondered why, there's no pipe on the island at all
I'm willing to bet that originally that island did have a pipe. But later in development they scrapped it in favor of having another sewer entrance and a fruit basket pianta. And forgot to remove it in ricco harbor.
Linkus7 show a rebuild beta version of Sunshin and on that island was a pipe. So after replacing the pipe with a manhole, they just forgot to remove the pipe from the rebuild of another map.
The fricking Segway 😂
I guess I should give this game another shot..
3:45 for when he actually starts talking about the pipe
Thx
might be getting sunshine on an emulator to try and see this
Most likely the pipe was originally planned for the island with the sewer hole and when the one in the main area was replaced, the one in the level wasn't
I remember seeing the ferris wheel in Ricco Harbor and tried to go overthere in the anniversary switch release. Only to fall victim to the barriers. I was very dissapointed. 😢
Fascinating
You’re doing the Lord’s work, my man.
"Is the pipe real?"
"Well, the funny thing is, the island isn't even real."
WHAT?
Helps explain why everything seemed kinda off and unsettling when going away from the center of the level in Sunshine.
I wanna say I think I remember an earlier version of delphino plaza that had a pipe on that island? If so, the background could’ve been made when that was still a pipe location, but later got changed?
Swanky you love glitches you need to check out Robert’s mansion
I would think in a earlier build of the game there was a pipe on that island and so they never updated it in the background when they also updated it in delfino plaza.
My guess is they got the island with the manhole confused with the one with the campfire and pipe. I do sometimes too, so I dont blame the
It's also possible that the mirage pipe was originally intended to be an actual pipe for the sewer system, before they decided to put a manhole cover there instead.
And yes, the trip to the cursed leaf-riding "mini-game" drove me nuts, so I was very happy when I learned of a quick and easy way to get to it with Yoshi via glitches when I looked up this part online in frustration. (The "mini-game" itself still sucks, and the pipe at the end of it is a royal troll for booting you out entirely, instead of serving as a quick way to retry should you miss a red coin.)
So silly, yet so interesting
Cool new vid
I guess there are bound to be inconsistencies when they have to make multiple different background versions of each level to be visible from others.
Love mario sunshine content, do wish they'd remake the game already lol