NGL, I was very disappointed when I first saw the release. Wanting a gx9 successor, I mentioned the things I disliked about it in the comments but obviously not attacking the reviewers. 2 days later, I find myself absolutely loving it and 100% plan on picking one up. I shoot a lot of band/ artist / studio bts sessions and the amount of times I need a quality image or video for the clients to post ASAP, is exactly why the S9 is going to make it's way into my arsenal. Also the recording limits are perfectly fine for music videos so this will be a great C cam to my S1 and S5iix. My channel is based on metal music production, and it's going to be the camera I suggest to everyone in my niche to get for performance videos, and to make photography and video fun and enjoyable. Great video Plus Lumix's synchro scan is amazing for flickering lights. The brand thinks of everything. If this camera is too expensive in anyone's eyes, just wait till it goes on sale. Also Lumix is the best company for firmware updates and every Thursday Sean does a livestream where you can get direct answer about issues you're having from the brand. I'm personally unaware of any other company doing that
@@GrenlandUnderVann I didn't either, until I did. I think there more hate around the S9 than there is love tbh haha. Which is fair as its not for everyone. I'm personally gonna wait for it to go on sale to grab one. I think its too expensive for what it is, but I love what it is
@@BrendonKPadjasek The S9 was not the camera that was planned [for this event] This was not supposed to be the camera we should see in Japan Look at the people who got invited, who are they? Who are their target demographics? Then look at what kind of camera this is? Who is is serving? Look at the marketing Panasonic made on this camera? Does it match the people who got invited? Look at the commercial that they made for this camera. I don't see any filmmakers. Compare that to the people who got invited [to Japan] and their audiences.
Perfect B Cam for my S5iix and iPhone 15 Pro replacement for better quality Reels/Shorts, using my existing L Mount lenses. This is a cheaper ZVE1, with newer features, better IBIS and very clear expectations set on recording limits. My wife will also use this, but finds S5iix too heavy and intimidating to use.
My only issue with the S9 is that the open gate is mentioned a lot, but it's not that useful for me as it can't be shot in 50 or 100 FPS. I shoot a lot of photo and video in the hospitality industry so slowmo around products is essential. Other than that I'm cool with the 'drawnacks' with my own workflow. Where it wins is size, often I want to be less conspicuous when working, plus its stabilisation 🔥. Its main problem is its price in the current market, but I expect that to adjust in the near future. I do need s second camera to my A7R5, and a S9 at maybe £1000 and £450 for a Sigma 45mm would be fine for me.
Those commenters are the people they convinced to buy Sony and are hurt because their influencers are switching or liking another brand. They forgot that the GH4 was everyone's camera before Sony started sending youtubers on trips. They switched because the AF was nice, low light was nice. But then Panasonic became great again.
Thanks for making this! I love the camera. It’s fun. Certainly has problems and it wouldn’t be my only camera, but as a second or third body it’s great.
The camera I've been hoping for is a modern compact Lumix with a small fixed zoom lens and weather sealing. Kind of like the Sony RX100 series. The ultimate content creator camera! With that said, this camera is still cool and if they slap on a discount on this, I'm sooo getting it.
I'm a pretty lazy TH-camr. I don't comment or like videos too often. But I've taken to liking your videos before I even play them so I don't forget. I really enjoy to look of your content and you're a charming presenter. I wanna do my small part to help this channel grow so I can keep enjoying it. I did photography professionally for about 10 years before going back to music full time. Just getting into the video side of things. Keep up the great work. Cheers!
Lots of the Japan early look videos mentioned the 15 minute 4K30 clip limit cited cooling limitations in the compact body. That made sense and was plausible. Now that they have the camera at home for extended periods, they're finding and posting that it's not necessarily true. I've seen 2 now testing back to back 15 minute recordings and it seems to get around 1hr to 1h15m before overheating. I think this highlights the problem for reviewers and consumers in the rush to release press events. What was cited as a makes sense limitation due to a compact build now looks to be unnecessarily limited by Panasonic. They probably could have gone with 45 minutes instead of 15. Hopefully Panasonic give the user more control of this in a firmware update (or do they think they are protecting S5 II sales?).
That’s been a frustration I’ve had with some companies who want to send me products, the stipulate that the video has to be out within 2 weeks of me receiving the product, which there’s no way to really know enough in that time, especially if the product will hold up overtime. So I just ghost those types of requests lol
I really really don't get all the drama around a *camera*. I was really interested in picking a Lumix s9 up because I don't like carrying my s5ii or s5 rigs when travelling and I sold my Fujifilm because I wanted to stay in one ecosystem. So Lumix releases the perfect camera for me (and for a bunch of other s5ii users from what I see in the comments) and then all I can see online is how I'm probably an idiot for liking this camera, how the missing EVF should eliminate this camera as an option, the electronic shutter will ruin my shots etc etc. It's just another camera out there. You like it? Cool. You hate it? Also cool. Just let me do my own thing now, and mind your own business. Why are people so obsessed with other people's choices?
For real man, it’s strange that people take a camera design as a personal offense. And then proceed to take that out on other people. I’m excited to give it a go
S5ii owner here... I gotta be honest, this camera has my eye a little bit. One, I'm already on the L-mount system, already have 3 lenses....this could be a good backup to have in the kit. But what REALLY has my interest is, the LUT system of the S9. In my S5ii, I can only save 10 LUTS in there.. But it seems like the S9 via the new Lumix app, you can save up to 39 luts ?! I'm wondering / hoping if all the capabilities the S9 has / the app...the S5ii will get ? If so, then absolutely no need to get this I dont think. It does have my interest tho.
Honestly, I think the target audience for this camera are people who have never once watched a TH-cam camera review video. It looks fun to use but not something I would buy. Using "crippled" or "joke" for it is simply because it doesn't fulfill the needs of a higher end user. A casual user might find equal value in the simple design. In the end, if the camera sells than it will have been a good idea. Time will tell.
I'm not sure it's really crippled for a lot of users. I own a A7R5 and hardly ever use the EVF, I also only shoot small clips plus any interviews I've done have never reached 20 mins max. Yes it's not the camera for a long speech I get that, but I'm sure most people aren't doing that. The headphone jack can be got around to an extent with a headphone out on your mic, plus a bit of experience with your settings. Its just the price that's wrong, and I'm sure that will adjust. As a gimbal camera it's fantastic, as a second camera on the road it's great, in areas where big cameras might get noticed again a really good camera
Currently you can get a new S5ii on offer for only £1,699 with 2 good lenses (20-60mm f3.5 and the 50mm 1.8) compaired to the S9 at £1,499 with the pancake 26mm manual fixed f8 lens. I own a S5ii and a Sony A6000, and use my S5ii for detailed work and filming but still use the A6000 for Street and travel when i want to use something out of sight. All cameras have place for someone and the S9 will most likley sell quite well, but I really still think i'd still stick with a much smaller camera for street and travel with an Apsc or micro 4/3 and use the bigger S5ii for everything else. It would of helpped if lumix had waited untill they were able to show off the 'LUMIX S 18-40mm F4.5-6.3 Lens' at the same time as the S9 japan launch (as this lens has autofocus and a changeable aperture while the pancake 26mm does not and was reguarded as a bit of a joke).
Thomas great video but this camera is a skip for me. Most of us have limited $$ for cameras and a crippled camera for $1500 when you can get an s5ii (maybe even a used 5iix) for same price. I'd go s5II, be interested in seeing the next zv-e10 mark ii since I think it will be a much better travel camera.
Well said! Still trying to understand what all this drama is about! It’s a camera release and this is not the first neither the first time a brand flew TH-camr at their unveiling event.
I have not seen a single review of the camera that has just been a heap of praise without mentioning any quirks or drawbacks. It's all the spec sheet warriors that come expecting a strongly negative review that leave the horrible comments having left disappointed that people actually had fun using a fun oriented camera. Kasey from Camera Conspiracies (who does extremely balanced reviews TBF) put a video about the S9 like he does for almost every new camera launch, bashing the on paper specs. He is the same guy that had a lot of fun with the Nikon Z30, which is a significantly worse camera than the S9.
Very good assessment, the S9 is brilliant for the people who will buy it...Panasonic make a dual card, WR and other bells whistles for the people who dont want to use the S9.The people criticising it simply cant grasp what it is and thats their problem...Geralds OVER done.
For the record though Gerald didn’t talk about the camera, he was talking about brand marketing strategies. I appreciated his video, I don’t think he should be put down for it
HA , and its prompted umpteen follow the leader videos...he is losing subscribers , so has to put controversial content up to attract views...I for one wont watch him again and I watch about 12 hours each day.
I think they need to start pumping out some very compact lenses rather quickly. Something in the style of the 12-32 for MFT. Sigma has some nice and compact primes though. The camera isn't for me though. I... just don't like the style, haha.
This camera is for specific purposes not an update or the best compact full frame, Sigma FP is already proven on this, how much people love it and I own one. Since I had this now I see Panasonic S9 is an update due to robust stabilisation thus reducing the need for a tripod or gimbal during my overseas trip. Those who have been in the photography field values each camera for it certain niche activities, like I enjoyed having Ricoh GR, likewise I had Sony A7r, still got Canon 1D iii and iv and they are good in their own way, but being in the Panasonic environment for almost seven years I found photography is more enjoyable in terms of its quality and video it produces so advanced. I found it is amateurish some of the videos showing bashing the camera and targeting who were presenting their verdict. In fact most of the videos were balanced and they understood the market where S9 will be valued, no wonder Japanese consumers are becoming more in alignment with such concept.
Great take on this. Even after all you’ve said, some say they don’t like the hyper positive reviews. If a Reviewer really likes a Camera should they go out of their way to find negative feedback to make some people happy. Here’s the Beauty to all this, there are plenty of Negative mostly Reviewers that look for everything wrong, if that review gives you piece of mind, follow that one and unsubscribe to the others you don’t like. Staying subscribed only so you can go into the comments to trash a review for a product you clearly are not going to buy is petty 😂. Grow up, no one is making you upset you are making yourself upset simply because you want to be in conflict. This video is such a great example of remembering you look at a review because we are nosy but the decision to buy is all on you, not a reviewer.
You had me at coffee shop😂. It may not be perfect however no camera is for every purpose. I’m getting the s9 to pair with my s5ii. I have a fragrance brand and making quick videos with luts will save me more time. Also the s9 will be for my street photography.
This is true for sure, part of me found their enjoyment of photography (no matter what camera, as many other companies have done this sort of thing before too) was half the fun of watching their videos, makes you wanna go travel with friends and take photos. Can be good inspiration for people who need it to go out and use their gear. But yes, you are totally right there. Who knows what videos about the camera would have looked like if they didn’t do it this way
Gerald would have been better off sticking that essay in the bottom drawer and forgetting he ever wrote it. But moving on. I can definitely see a place for the S9 in my kit. Certainly not for full-rate work, but to rapid prototype looks, or for BTS, or pro bono work where 1080 and minimal color work in post is the goal, etc. Loads of reasons to have the S9 around as a light carry option, especially with open gate flexibility and an excellent IBI, rapid fire social media is easy.
@@EH-pm1ke As the old saying goes, “You don’t bite the hand which feeds you.” If he felt a bit left out of the camera world by Panasonic before the video, he’s now going to have a bunch of other brands wondering whether to include him going forward. I suspect he’s hurt his channel quite a lot, and based on all the backtracking posts by him since, now (too late) he realizes it.
These Content Creators (never will I consider them Filmmakers) using Buzzwords like "Drama" only shows that they are disconnected from their audience and where their mindset lies when it comes to making videos now 👎👎
A couple things. I’ve never claimed to be a “filmmaker” I’ve done a couple commercials, a bunch of weddings and a lot of church work. Nothing I’d call a “film”. Secondly, people have been incredibly “dramatic” surrounding this camera release. All because a camera doesn’t work for them personally, when the camera wasn’t made for them in the first place. Seems like a silly thing for people to have become as angry as they are about it
This camera has gotten more hate than the Sony ZV-1F and ZV1-M2. Those were pretty stripped down and lacking also. I guess Insta360 X4 was the trigger, that overflowed into this. The ZV-E1 is a really great price. I'm not sure the the Lumix comes close even at a cheaper price.
Interesting thought on the insta-360 stuff, there’s been a few things that have riled people up recently. This may just be it all coming to a head (hopefully the end of it lol)
Dude! Gerald undone never meant to attack any people... what he meant is the filtering done by brands and how brands are trying to influence your opinion in various forms
I totally agree with Gerald, i was saying that his video about looking at the brand rather than the TH-camrs was benificial to watch. I wasn’t saying he attacked people
He is kind of in a bad position right now. He needs to be honest with his feelings and experience but at the same time be mindful because these people share the same space of his. Its like these corporations designed their marketing because friends will not fight each other
No, Gerald is either a "Usefu Idiot" or an agent of Sony/Blackrock etc. Why now? Why not call out hundreds of dodgy Sony misbehaviour? He appears charismatic and smart, but he is either heavily biased or disingenuos. It reveals only that Lumix is a threat to Sony, and that just like their fake review scandal and rootkit scandal, they are willing to use illegal tactics to harm competition.
@@fellowcitizen I feel like you didn’t get the point of this video lol. Id guess that you, like myself, don’t actually know the guy, so why make such assumptions about his character? I’m on Gerald’s side in this, I agree with his video and found it very helpful. He explained his position on each camera brand very well, and explained the dangers and what to expect about these sorts of things to newer TH-camrs.
s5ii only 300 less, i cannot picture a scenario where i need that 300 more than i need to be able to record for longer than 10 minutes (or any of the other multiple things its mising), but to each their own. tbh, right now i have B&H compare page open with ZV-E1, BM CC 6k, and S5II...any one of those is better than the S9, IMO. But again, to each their own. In fact, the BM CC 6K is only 75 more right now, and also an L mount camera. Internal RAW, and a really nice image. Haven't decided yet, but I think there are at least two better entries in the L mount alliance right now.
This shows to me that the camera was never for you and you're trying to justify to others that they should think the same. A BM CC 6K is NOT the same target audience as the S9, and arguably neither are the others.
@@MaximoJoshua the S5ii isn't a range finder camera either. In the same way that the same audience wouldn't compare Fuji X100VI to the X-H2s. But hey, if you want to take a BM 6K with you on holiday as an everyday carry, go for it.
The thing that stood out to me was that most of the reviews were exactly the same. It seemed like most had a premade script, made a few tweaks and uploaded. I think many people noticed that, and it did not feel genuine. As for the camera, don’t know yet, needs real world use before we know what it’s like.
I find it interesting the timing. It's Panasonic when everyone decides to make their stand? Again, could be coincidence, but I doubt this come to Jesus moment comes right after a Sony or Canon event. Just sayin'
I agree with some of what you said, but I'm tired of the fake and ultra favorable reviews of second-rate products. Most Tubers care more about maintaining a good relationship with brands instead of offering unbiased/honest opinions or reviews on products. I realized, after watching a video from a creator who does not take sponsorships, just how many shills and phonies there are on this platform. I refuse to give watch time to "creators" who are morally bereft and refuse to make meaningful/useful content. I am also no lomger interested in watching glorified commercials for brands via youtubers. I fully support channels that make meaningful and helpful content, but a lot of the camera bros on this platform are absolutely NOT providing good quality content, no matter how high the production value is. A commercial is still a commercial even if the person shilling the product is a youtuber.
One thing I find interesting is the amount of people calling it a bad product, if a 6K, open gate, full frame, quick upload system, built in lut/edits, ibis, 10 bit, all in a tiny body camera for $1500 existed just a couple of years ago people would be losing their minds. I think we are getting spoilt for choice lol. Not that it’s a perfect camera, it clearly has its limitations with record times etc. but still impressive IMO. And personally I think it’s best to withhold strong opinions about people on TH-cam for people that I personally know. It’s easy to judge and assume someone is a “shill” or “bias” from an outside perspective. But not having used the camera, and not knowing the persons character. Best not to make assumptions in my book
Are reviews these days more favorable to products? Maybe, if it is I would say that is in part to how level the playing field is becoming in the camera space. You can take a good photo with just about anything these days, what is a photo camera going to do? Add more megapixels? Add more frames per second? What about video? An extra half of a stop of dynamic range? A huge Hollywood film was made using an FX3, like where can we possibly go after that? I've been in photography long enough to live through genuinely bad lenses being released to the public. But now there's almost nothing that can be said about a new lens that hasn't been said a thousand times. Manufacturing and tech have gotten so good that lenses are near perfect at this point. Even "cheap" lens brands are releasing incredible lenses and you might be able to say oh look the corners are slightly less sharp but oh wait this lens is $150 and it's nearest competition is $500. I wouldn't automatically assume someone is a shill or a sellout, maybe just maybe, the product is actually good unless you get reallllly nitpicky about certain details.
Some TH-camr said they don't take sponsorships. But acturally they are not. Don't trust anyone. Just try it for yourself. See if you really like the pruduct.
syncro scan lad...im having a seizure with that flickering the s9 is a hard pass - the stuff missing is not worth a few hundred less than the s5ii if it was 750-1k , maybe but its just crippled from the outset
When you review on TH-cam you can’t say what is profitable for you or what company pleases you , when I want to buy a thing and watch TH-cam reviewers and all of them say it’s marvelous and greatest thing ever made and I buying it and using it there is big flaw and great disappointment because those reputable TH-camr didn’t mention that big flaw. This is great 750$ camera not 1500$,put any l mount lens and it will be a joke and that f8 is a joke too,I like lumix and appreciate what they do, but they don’t need to pay or to please TH-camr to pimping their products.
If it were an apsc camera, maybe I’d see them aiming for a much lower price, but it’s still one of the cheapest full frame cameras on the market. And yeah personally i don’t understand the f8 lens lol.
What exactly has GU created??? Have you seen a video or photo by him? Except his studio video???? Anything creative to admire??? He is like, my kid is not bequtfi because his eyes are not green...but has curly hair....So there are reviewers whose work you never seen....and there is the lie...reading specs and comparing worth zero with the experience on the field....
I’d recommend going and trying to produce a video testing a product as well as he does. His channel clearly isn’t about creative uses for cameras, but about testing the limitations of the camera, which he does better than anyone in my opinion. As someone who has tried to make videos like that and realized just how much more work that is to do… i have nothing but respect for it. Takes a ton of work. Before you bash him for that. Go try make those styles of videos for yourself because they ain’t easy
@thomasjmcclure you must be joking....if you listen to.him there would be no wedding video creators....do you have any ideea how.many people are using nikon z6 ii, or I or Fujifilm or sony a6400 to creat wedding videos??? Nobody does it better than him...Jesus christ...that's why fraud thrives on youtube, because there are people.like you praising non creativity....what if you admire poeple who actually create amazing.videos from.8 bit files...last time I'm on your channel....
There are many amazing creative channels out there that I enjoy, and there are technical channels that I enjoy. What an odd thing to say lol, there are always going to be wedding videographers, and Nikon users, Fuji users, Sony users… I really don’t see where you are coming from on this… And no worries, have a great day. The point of this video was to tell people to try being nice, not to rage on them unnecessarily without knowing them as a person. If that upsets you, then please don’t feel the need to watch the videos.
you blame youtube plebs who watch your videos without subbing (90% plus) from hating on priviledged shills who get literally corruption rather than undue advantages for making their content? Paid flights, hotels, what else? yes they are right, and you are wrong on this one.
Do you mean $200 cheaper than the s9? Or than usual retail price for s5iix. Because i haven’t seen any go for less than $1600-1700. Also for a lot of people they are going to want this for its simplicity, new photographers find cameras like the s5ii a lot more daunting/confusing. Different cameras for different people
Also, just another TH-camr attempting to do damage control on your channel/personality even though you didn't get sent to Japan... but you do use buzzwords and click bait titles so your are still part of the problem 👎👎
lol i feel like you didn’t actually watch the video, not doing any damage control for my channel, my channel hasn’t been subject to any, I’m trying to tell people to not be unnecessarily rude or antagonistic towards people they don’t know. As it’s unreasonable, like I said over and over in the video, separate the product from the person. As for the title, there is drama, it will be my first lumix camera, and it got you to click on it, so that’s a success in my book lol. If you hate the title/thumbnail so much, don’t click on the video
Camera is hot garbage… A few extra hundred get you a real camera that has a mechanical shutter.. better record times and a hot shoe? lol I can’t believe anyone recommending this camera
If I were buying a camera just for me, I’d probably go s5iix as that’s the style of camera that I like. But a lot of people like simple, my wife loves a small little camera that’s easy to use, not too many confusing buttons etc. i think a lot of people are gonna get it for that reason. Thoughts?
6k Open Gate, better IBIS, shutter angle, frame markers, VLOG (10-bit), LUTs, Waveforms, Mor affordable… Under those specs I could say the a7c is garbage
@@DoubleTheDomthe “limits” don’t effect the target audience for this camera- the casual content creator. They aren’t doing hour long professional interviews- or they’d get the S5ii.
@@DoubleTheDom Sony’s compact cameras will overheat, there’s technically still a limit on them. Also, I shoot professional and personal video and still a non-issues, out of ~2500 video files in my SSD only 1 is over 15 minutes. So most use cases are just fine.
NGL, I was very disappointed when I first saw the release. Wanting a gx9 successor, I mentioned the things I disliked about it in the comments but obviously not attacking the reviewers. 2 days later, I find myself absolutely loving it and 100% plan on picking one up. I shoot a lot of band/ artist / studio bts sessions and the amount of times I need a quality image or video for the clients to post ASAP, is exactly why the S9 is going to make it's way into my arsenal. Also the recording limits are perfectly fine for music videos so this will be a great C cam to my S1 and S5iix. My channel is based on metal music production, and it's going to be the camera I suggest to everyone in my niche to get for performance videos, and to make photography and video fun and enjoyable. Great video
Plus Lumix's synchro scan is amazing for flickering lights. The brand thinks of everything. If this camera is too expensive in anyone's eyes, just wait till it goes on sale. Also Lumix is the best company for firmware updates and every Thursday Sean does a livestream where you can get direct answer about issues you're having from the brand. I'm personally unaware of any other company doing that
Just get a 2nd S5iix? Or better wait for the S1 mark II. I don't understand the hype on the S9.
@@GrenlandUnderVann I didn't either, until I did. I think there more hate around the S9 than there is love tbh haha. Which is fair as its not for everyone. I'm personally gonna wait for it to go on sale to grab one. I think its too expensive for what it is, but I love what it is
@@BrendonKPadjasek The S9 was not the camera that was planned [for this event]
This was not supposed to be the camera we should see in Japan
Look at the people who got invited, who are they?
Who are their target demographics?
Then look at what kind of camera this is? Who is is serving?
Look at the marketing Panasonic made on this camera? Does it match the people who got invited?
Look at the commercial that they made for this camera. I don't see any filmmakers.
Compare that to the people who got invited [to Japan] and their audiences.
The funny thing is Panasonic just want you to buy into the system. So whether you buy the s5 or the s9 they’re happy!
@@GrenlandUnderVann Yeah I watched a podcast where one of the guys that went on the trip said that. Definitely keeping an eye out for whatever that is
Sony fanboys are just butthurt, Panasonic started doing what Sony has being doing for years.
Perfect B Cam for my S5iix and iPhone 15 Pro replacement for better quality Reels/Shorts, using my existing L Mount lenses. This is a cheaper ZVE1, with newer features, better IBIS and very clear expectations set on recording limits. My wife will also use this, but finds S5iix too heavy and intimidating to use.
My only issue with the S9 is that the open gate is mentioned a lot, but it's not that useful for me as it can't be shot in 50 or 100 FPS. I shoot a lot of photo and video in the hospitality industry so slowmo around products is essential. Other than that I'm cool with the 'drawnacks' with my own workflow.
Where it wins is size, often I want to be less conspicuous when working, plus its stabilisation 🔥.
Its main problem is its price in the current market, but I expect that to adjust in the near future. I do need s second camera to my A7R5, and a S9 at maybe £1000 and £450 for a Sigma 45mm would be fine for me.
Those commenters are the people they convinced to buy Sony and are hurt because their influencers are switching or liking another brand. They forgot that the GH4 was everyone's camera before Sony started sending youtubers on trips. They switched because the AF was nice, low light was nice. But then Panasonic became great again.
Thanks for making this! I love the camera. It’s fun. Certainly has problems and it wouldn’t be my only camera, but as a second or third body it’s great.
Thanks! Yeah same for me, just seems fun lol
The camera I've been hoping for is a modern compact Lumix with a small fixed zoom lens and weather sealing. Kind of like the Sony RX100 series. The ultimate content creator camera! With that said, this camera is still cool and if they slap on a discount on this, I'm sooo getting it.
Why didn't the Sony shills Scream to the High Mountains when Sony made a STRIPPED down version of the a7rV.
I'm a pretty lazy TH-camr. I don't comment or like videos too often. But I've taken to liking your videos before I even play them so I don't forget. I really enjoy to look of your content and you're a charming presenter. I wanna do my small part to help this channel grow so I can keep enjoying it. I did photography professionally for about 10 years before going back to music full time. Just getting into the video side of things. Keep up the great work. Cheers!
Lots of the Japan early look videos mentioned the 15 minute 4K30 clip limit cited cooling limitations in the compact body. That made sense and was plausible. Now that they have the camera at home for extended periods, they're finding and posting that it's not necessarily true. I've seen 2 now testing back to back 15 minute recordings and it seems to get around 1hr to 1h15m before overheating.
I think this highlights the problem for reviewers and consumers in the rush to release press events. What was cited as a makes sense limitation due to a compact build now looks to be unnecessarily limited by Panasonic. They probably could have gone with 45 minutes instead of 15. Hopefully Panasonic give the user more control of this in a firmware update (or do they think they are protecting S5 II sales?).
That’s been a frustration I’ve had with some companies who want to send me products, the stipulate that the video has to be out within 2 weeks of me receiving the product, which there’s no way to really know enough in that time, especially if the product will hold up overtime. So I just ghost those types of requests lol
I really really don't get all the drama around a *camera*. I was really interested in picking a Lumix s9 up because I don't like carrying my s5ii or s5 rigs when travelling and I sold my Fujifilm because I wanted to stay in one ecosystem. So Lumix releases the perfect camera for me (and for a bunch of other s5ii users from what I see in the comments) and then all I can see online is how I'm probably an idiot for liking this camera, how the missing EVF should eliminate this camera as an option, the electronic shutter will ruin my shots etc etc.
It's just another camera out there. You like it? Cool. You hate it? Also cool. Just let me do my own thing now, and mind your own business. Why are people so obsessed with other people's choices?
For real man, it’s strange that people take a camera design as a personal offense. And then proceed to take that out on other people. I’m excited to give it a go
S5ii owner here... I gotta be honest, this camera has my eye a little bit. One, I'm already on the L-mount system, already have 3 lenses....this could be a good backup to have in the kit. But what REALLY has my interest is, the LUT system of the S9. In my S5ii, I can only save 10 LUTS in there.. But it seems like the S9 via the new Lumix app, you can save up to 39 luts ?! I'm wondering / hoping if all the capabilities the S9 has / the app...the S5ii will get ? If so, then absolutely no need to get this I dont think. It does have my interest tho.
The S5ii will get the app support but not sure if the LUT capacity will be increased to 39
Honestly, I think the target audience for this camera are people who have never once watched a TH-cam camera review video. It looks fun to use but not something I would buy. Using "crippled" or "joke" for it is simply because it doesn't fulfill the needs of a higher end user. A casual user might find equal value in the simple design. In the end, if the camera sells than it will have been a good idea. Time will tell.
Travel.
Crippled? Because it doesnt have something you want?
I'm not sure it's really crippled for a lot of users. I own a A7R5 and hardly ever use the EVF, I also only shoot small clips plus any interviews I've done have never reached 20 mins max. Yes it's not the camera for a long speech I get that, but I'm sure most people aren't doing that. The headphone jack can be got around to an extent with a headphone out on your mic, plus a bit of experience with your settings. Its just the price that's wrong, and I'm sure that will adjust.
As a gimbal camera it's fantastic, as a second camera on the road it's great, in areas where big cameras might get noticed again a really good camera
Currently you can get a new S5ii on offer for only £1,699 with 2 good lenses (20-60mm f3.5 and the 50mm 1.8) compaired to the S9 at £1,499 with the pancake 26mm manual fixed f8 lens.
I own a S5ii and a Sony A6000, and use my S5ii for detailed work and filming but still use the A6000 for Street and travel when i want to use something out of sight.
All cameras have place for someone and the S9 will most likley sell quite well, but I really still think i'd still stick with a much smaller camera for street and travel with an Apsc or micro 4/3 and use the bigger S5ii for everything else.
It would of helpped if lumix had waited untill they were able to show off the 'LUMIX S 18-40mm F4.5-6.3 Lens' at the same time as the S9 japan launch (as this lens has autofocus and a changeable aperture while the pancake 26mm does not and was reguarded as a bit of a joke).
Thomas great video but this camera is a skip for me. Most of us have limited $$ for cameras and a crippled camera for $1500 when you can get an s5ii (maybe even a used 5iix) for same price. I'd go s5II, be interested in seeing the next zv-e10 mark ii since I think it will be a much better travel camera.
Too many people underestimate the used camera market! I hope you find a good deal!
S9 looks really nice and it's really small full frame. I am thinking to buy it altough I own A7CII.
Well said! Still trying to understand what all this drama is about! It’s a camera release and this is not the first neither the first time a brand flew TH-camr at their unveiling event.
I have not seen a single review of the camera that has just been a heap of praise without mentioning any quirks or drawbacks. It's all the spec sheet warriors that come expecting a strongly negative review that leave the horrible comments having left disappointed that people actually had fun using a fun oriented camera.
Kasey from Camera Conspiracies (who does extremely balanced reviews TBF) put a video about the S9 like he does for almost every new camera launch, bashing the on paper specs. He is the same guy that had a lot of fun with the Nikon Z30, which is a significantly worse camera than the S9.
I haven’t watched Kasey’s whole video yet lol. He’s entertaining but my use case for cameras is very different to how he reviews haha
Do you mean you don’t need a camera that shoots 4k 960p to run across the street? 🤣
Very good assessment, the S9 is brilliant for the people who will buy it...Panasonic make a dual card, WR and other bells whistles for the people who dont want to use the S9.The people criticising it simply cant grasp what it is and thats their problem...Geralds OVER done.
For the record though Gerald didn’t talk about the camera, he was talking about brand marketing strategies. I appreciated his video, I don’t think he should be put down for it
HA , and its prompted umpteen follow the leader videos...he is losing subscribers , so has to put controversial content up to attract views...I for one wont watch him again and I watch about 12 hours each day.
I think they need to start pumping out some very compact lenses rather quickly. Something in the style of the 12-32 for MFT. Sigma has some nice and compact primes though.
The camera isn't for me though. I... just don't like the style, haha.
Yeah that 26mm f8 is kinda useless in my opinion, i hope they come out with some better small lenses that are at least f4 or below
This camera is for specific purposes not an update or the best compact full frame, Sigma FP is already proven on this, how much people love it and I own one. Since I had this now I see Panasonic S9 is an update due to robust stabilisation thus reducing the need for a tripod or gimbal during my overseas trip. Those who have been in the photography field values each camera for it certain niche activities, like I enjoyed having Ricoh GR, likewise I had Sony A7r, still got Canon 1D iii and iv and they are good in their own way, but being in the Panasonic environment for almost seven years I found photography is more enjoyable in terms of its quality and video it produces so advanced. I found it is amateurish some of the videos showing bashing the camera and targeting who were presenting their verdict. In fact most of the videos were balanced and they understood the market where S9 will be valued, no wonder Japanese consumers are becoming more in alignment with such concept.
Best thumbnail goes to the dog on the lower left. 😂 😂 😂
Very well said, love to know if the S9 works for you !
Thanks Kofi! I’m excited to test it out
Great take on this. Even after all you’ve said, some say they don’t like the hyper positive reviews.
If a Reviewer really likes a Camera should they go out of their way to find negative feedback to make some people happy. Here’s the Beauty to all this, there are plenty of Negative mostly Reviewers that look for everything wrong, if that review gives you piece of mind, follow that one and unsubscribe to the others you don’t like.
Staying subscribed only so you can go into the comments to trash a review for a product you clearly are not going to buy is petty 😂. Grow up, no one is making you upset you are making yourself upset simply because you want to be in conflict.
This video is such a great example of remembering you look at a review because we are nosy but the decision to buy is all on you, not a reviewer.
Well said
I suspect a lot of the haters are just doing them hating because it is trendy to do so.
Great video, keep going
You had me at coffee shop😂. It may not be perfect however no camera is for every purpose. I’m getting the s9 to pair with my s5ii. I have a fragrance brand and making quick videos with luts will save me more time. Also the s9 will be for my street photography.
Nice! I’m excited to give it a go for that sort of purpose
@@thomasjmcclure Lumix cams can be addictive. Welcome to the Lumix family.
I agree with you 😊
I appreciate it!
of course they had fun...any camera they would have had fun with 150 people with the same camera and same interests. It's not because it was the s9
This is true for sure, part of me found their enjoyment of photography (no matter what camera, as many other companies have done this sort of thing before too) was half the fun of watching their videos, makes you wanna go travel with friends and take photos. Can be good inspiration for people who need it to go out and use their gear.
But yes, you are totally right there. Who knows what videos about the camera would have looked like if they didn’t do it this way
@@thomasjmcclure lol to go and shoot friends and travel is much better when it's free :)
Gerald would have been better off sticking that essay in the bottom drawer and forgetting he ever wrote it. But moving on. I can definitely see a place for the S9 in my kit. Certainly not for full-rate work, but to rapid prototype looks, or for BTS, or pro bono work where 1080 and minimal color work in post is the goal, etc. Loads of reasons to have the S9 around as a light carry option, especially with open gate flexibility and an excellent IBI, rapid fire social media is easy.
As a small channel I actually found his video very helpful as an inside look on how the brand/company marketing can work in certain situations.
Shills like Julia Trotti need to get called out
Nope, pretty much everyone agrees with Gerald, it was a great video
@@EH-pm1ke As the old saying goes, “You don’t bite the hand which feeds you.” If he felt a bit left out of the camera world by Panasonic before the video, he’s now going to have a bunch of other brands wondering whether to include him going forward. I suspect he’s hurt his channel quite a lot, and based on all the backtracking posts by him since, now (too late) he realizes it.
These Content Creators (never will I consider them Filmmakers) using Buzzwords like "Drama" only shows that they are disconnected from their audience and where their mindset lies when it comes to making videos now 👎👎
A couple things. I’ve never claimed to be a “filmmaker” I’ve done a couple commercials, a bunch of weddings and a lot of church work. Nothing I’d call a “film”. Secondly, people have been incredibly “dramatic” surrounding this camera release. All because a camera doesn’t work for them personally, when the camera wasn’t made for them in the first place. Seems like a silly thing for people to have become as angry as they are about it
This was a very level headed take Thomas. The S9 is definitely not for me, I'm glad some will find it useful though!
Thanks! Level headed is what i aim for lol
This camera has gotten more hate than the Sony ZV-1F and ZV1-M2. Those were pretty stripped down and lacking also. I guess Insta360 X4 was the trigger, that overflowed into this. The ZV-E1 is a really great price. I'm not sure the the Lumix comes close even at a cheaper price.
Interesting thought on the insta-360 stuff, there’s been a few things that have riled people up recently. This may just be it all coming to a head (hopefully the end of it lol)
abit late but have marked the register.... present🤣🤣
Travel camera. B camera Quick B rolls etc
Dude! Gerald undone never meant to attack any people... what he meant is the filtering done by brands and how brands are trying to influence your opinion in various forms
I totally agree with Gerald, i was saying that his video about looking at the brand rather than the TH-camrs was benificial to watch. I wasn’t saying he attacked people
He is kind of in a bad position right now. He needs to be honest with his feelings and experience but at the same time be mindful because these people share the same space of his. Its like these corporations designed their marketing because friends will not fight each other
No, Gerald is either a "Usefu Idiot" or an agent of Sony/Blackrock etc. Why now? Why not call out hundreds of dodgy Sony misbehaviour? He appears charismatic and smart, but he is either heavily biased or disingenuos. It reveals only that Lumix is a threat to Sony, and that just like their fake review scandal and rootkit scandal, they are willing to use illegal tactics to harm competition.
The problem is his timing of his video. You need to know when and how.
@@fellowcitizen I feel like you didn’t get the point of this video lol. Id guess that you, like myself, don’t actually know the guy, so why make such assumptions about his character?
I’m on Gerald’s side in this, I agree with his video and found it very helpful. He explained his position on each camera brand very well, and explained the dangers and what to expect about these sorts of things to newer TH-camrs.
s5ii only 300 less, i cannot picture a scenario where i need that 300 more than i need to be able to record for longer than 10 minutes (or any of the other multiple things its mising), but to each their own.
tbh, right now i have B&H compare page open with ZV-E1, BM CC 6k, and S5II...any one of those is better than the S9, IMO. But again, to each their own. In fact, the BM CC 6K is only 75 more right now, and also an L mount camera. Internal RAW, and a really nice image. Haven't decided yet, but I think there are at least two better entries in the L mount alliance right now.
This shows to me that the camera was never for you and you're trying to justify to others that they should think the same.
A BM CC 6K is NOT the same target audience as the S9, and arguably neither are the others.
@@samohara5187 and the s5II? Can’t compare that one right?
@@MaximoJoshua the S5ii isn't a range finder camera either.
In the same way that the same audience wouldn't compare Fuji X100VI to the X-H2s.
But hey, if you want to take a BM 6K with you on holiday as an everyday carry, go for it.
@@samohara5187 nah was thinking the s5ii
1:35 was super accurate on one of the target audiences on who this camera is for. Great video mate👍🏻
Thanks man! I enjoyed your content on it!
@@thomasjmcclure glad to hear it😄
looking forward for your comparison of S9 vs. A6700
Same! Being basically the same price yet so different, they’ll be interesting to put head to head
The thing that stood out to me was that most of the reviews were exactly the same. It seemed like most had a premade script, made a few tweaks and uploaded. I think many people noticed that, and it did not feel genuine. As for the camera, don’t know yet, needs real world use before we know what it’s like.
I find it interesting the timing. It's Panasonic when everyone decides to make their stand? Again, could be coincidence, but I doubt this come to Jesus moment comes right after a Sony or Canon event. Just sayin'
Who knows 🤷🏻♂️
From the dark end of the street
To the bright side of the road…
🎉enjoyed video
Thanks!
The perfect camera for those who know what they want. Not for brain washed though...
Lumix is trying to sell the S9 to the iPhone crowd. Total failure IMO.
Well said mate 🎉
Thanks!
You are totally rigth
I agree with some of what you said, but I'm tired of the fake and ultra favorable reviews of second-rate products. Most Tubers care more about maintaining a good relationship with brands instead of offering unbiased/honest opinions or reviews on products. I realized, after watching a video from a creator who does not take sponsorships, just how many shills and phonies there are on this platform. I refuse to give watch time to "creators" who are morally bereft and refuse to make meaningful/useful content. I am also no lomger interested in watching glorified commercials for brands via youtubers. I fully support channels that make meaningful and helpful content, but a lot of the camera bros on this platform are absolutely NOT providing good quality content, no matter how high the production value is. A commercial is still a commercial even if the person shilling the product is a youtuber.
One thing I find interesting is the amount of people calling it a bad product, if a 6K, open gate, full frame, quick upload system, built in lut/edits, ibis, 10 bit, all in a tiny body camera for $1500 existed just a couple of years ago people would be losing their minds. I think we are getting spoilt for choice lol. Not that it’s a perfect camera, it clearly has its limitations with record times etc. but still impressive IMO. And personally I think it’s best to withhold strong opinions about people on TH-cam for people that I personally know. It’s easy to judge and assume someone is a “shill” or “bias” from an outside perspective. But not having used the camera, and not knowing the persons character. Best not to make assumptions in my book
Are reviews these days more favorable to products? Maybe, if it is I would say that is in part to how level the playing field is becoming in the camera space. You can take a good photo with just about anything these days, what is a photo camera going to do? Add more megapixels? Add more frames per second? What about video? An extra half of a stop of dynamic range? A huge Hollywood film was made using an FX3, like where can we possibly go after that? I've been in photography long enough to live through genuinely bad lenses being released to the public. But now there's almost nothing that can be said about a new lens that hasn't been said a thousand times. Manufacturing and tech have gotten so good that lenses are near perfect at this point. Even "cheap" lens brands are releasing incredible lenses and you might be able to say oh look the corners are slightly less sharp but oh wait this lens is $150 and it's nearest competition is $500. I wouldn't automatically assume someone is a shill or a sellout, maybe just maybe, the product is actually good unless you get reallllly nitpicky about certain details.
Define “second rate”. Seems like the S9 packs a pretty good punch for a compact interchangeable lens camera. In many ways, nothing compares to it.
Some TH-camr said they don't take sponsorships. But acturally they are not. Don't trust anyone. Just try it for yourself. See if you really like the pruduct.
syncro scan lad...im having a seizure with that flickering
the s9 is a hard pass - the stuff missing is not worth a few hundred less than the s5ii
if it was 750-1k , maybe but its just crippled from the outset
When you review on TH-cam you can’t say what is profitable for you or what company pleases you , when I want to buy a thing and watch TH-cam reviewers and all of them say it’s marvelous and greatest thing ever made and I buying it and using it there is big flaw and great disappointment because those reputable TH-camr didn’t mention that big flaw. This is great 750$ camera not 1500$,put any l mount lens and it will be a joke and that f8 is a joke too,I like lumix and appreciate what they do, but they don’t need to pay or to please TH-camr to pimping their products.
If it were an apsc camera, maybe I’d see them aiming for a much lower price, but it’s still one of the cheapest full frame cameras on the market. And yeah personally i don’t understand the f8 lens lol.
What exactly has GU created??? Have you seen a video or photo by him? Except his studio video???? Anything creative to admire??? He is like, my kid is not bequtfi because his eyes are not green...but has curly hair....So there are reviewers whose work you never seen....and there is the lie...reading specs and comparing worth zero with the experience on the field....
I’d recommend going and trying to produce a video testing a product as well as he does. His channel clearly isn’t about creative uses for cameras, but about testing the limitations of the camera, which he does better than anyone in my opinion. As someone who has tried to make videos like that and realized just how much more work that is to do… i have nothing but respect for it. Takes a ton of work.
Before you bash him for that. Go try make those styles of videos for yourself because they ain’t easy
@thomasjmcclure you must be joking....if you listen to.him there would be no wedding video creators....do you have any ideea how.many people are using nikon z6 ii, or I or Fujifilm or sony a6400 to creat wedding videos??? Nobody does it better than him...Jesus christ...that's why fraud thrives on youtube, because there are people.like you praising non creativity....what if you admire poeple who actually create amazing.videos from.8 bit files...last time I'm on your channel....
There are many amazing creative channels out there that I enjoy, and there are technical channels that I enjoy. What an odd thing to say lol, there are always going to be wedding videographers, and Nikon users, Fuji users, Sony users… I really don’t see where you are coming from on this…
And no worries, have a great day. The point of this video was to tell people to try being nice, not to rage on them unnecessarily without knowing them as a person. If that upsets you, then please don’t feel the need to watch the videos.
you blame youtube plebs who watch your videos without subbing (90% plus) from hating on priviledged shills who get literally corruption rather than undue advantages for making their content? Paid flights, hotels, what else? yes they are right, and you are wrong on this one.
S5iix is $200 cheaper when bought used
Do you mean $200 cheaper than the s9? Or than usual retail price for s5iix. Because i haven’t seen any go for less than $1600-1700.
Also for a lot of people they are going to want this for its simplicity, new photographers find cameras like the s5ii a lot more daunting/confusing. Different cameras for different people
@@thomasjmcclure new photographers spending $1500 in a camera are out of their mind. This is overpriced
@@jaymills1720 i don’t disagree there, but some people got money to spend like that lol
Also, just another TH-camr attempting to do damage control on your channel/personality even though you didn't get sent to Japan... but you do use buzzwords and click bait titles so your are still part of the problem 👎👎
lol i feel like you didn’t actually watch the video, not doing any damage control for my channel, my channel hasn’t been subject to any, I’m trying to tell people to not be unnecessarily rude or antagonistic towards people they don’t know. As it’s unreasonable, like I said over and over in the video, separate the product from the person.
As for the title, there is drama, it will be my first lumix camera, and it got you to click on it, so that’s a success in my book lol. If you hate the title/thumbnail so much, don’t click on the video
Camera is hot garbage… A few extra hundred get you a real camera that has a mechanical shutter.. better record times and a hot shoe? lol I can’t believe anyone recommending this camera
If I were buying a camera just for me, I’d probably go s5iix as that’s the style of camera that I like. But a lot of people like simple, my wife loves a small little camera that’s easy to use, not too many confusing buttons etc. i think a lot of people are gonna get it for that reason. Thoughts?
The camera is trash😂
Fair, what camera do you recommend and what would you use it for?
S9 is a garbage camera. Get the A7C if you want small
6k Open Gate, better IBIS, shutter angle, frame markers, VLOG (10-bit), LUTs, Waveforms, Mor affordable… Under those specs I could say the a7c is garbage
Did you forget to mention the recording limits which make this still a garbage camera for video
@@DoubleTheDomthe “limits” don’t effect the target audience for this camera- the casual content creator. They aren’t doing hour long professional interviews- or they’d get the S5ii.
@@DoubleTheDom Sony’s compact cameras will overheat, there’s technically still a limit on them. Also, I shoot professional and personal video and still a non-issues, out of ~2500 video files in my SSD only 1 is over 15 minutes. So most use cases are just fine.