Note: Samus can only grab airborne opponents with her normal grab for the *first 2 frames*. As such, I do not consider the inability to grab airborne opponents with extender a real downside.
I don't know the frame data precisely, but it's the same with (Young) Link. They can only grab airborne opponents if the hookshot (not the chain) touches the opponent, so the opponent basically has to be directly above (Young) Link for it to work.
@@algar6616 - Cute, but if there isn't, I want to try to make a video of me learning this tech, then one trying to implement the airborne part. Then there will be a video. 🥳
@@WayoftheFerret there's such thing as a ceiling... it's awesome dont get me wrong. But pulp wanted in the tippy top, which he did. His Samus still sexy, and would body vast majority. But like Mango, when facing Hbox. He is aware of his characters limitations.
Im not too familiar with melee (its been years since I played it and I only played casually), but perhaps they couldnt get autograb on it to work for some reason, hence why they have to manually grab, and why it wasnt the main thing?
2:52 not watched the rest yet, but as a gamedev, this is definitely a dev command someone left in the game. it's specific, easy to execute, and so esoteric 99.999% of players wouldn't find it on their own so you could put it in a show or playtest build. they were probably playing with having this as default samus behaviour, but decided it was too convoluted and used the standard grapple, but forgot to comment it out of production.
@@Nothsa-mt4yo He made the Hungybox documentary and I'm pretty sure that's it. His channel is all over the place. I know this was probably a "what if they're the same person" joke but still felt like clarifying.
Definitely seems like this was used for fiddling around with Samus' grab. Knowing Nintendo, they likely deemed it too complex and put in a much simpler grab that functions like every other character's but forgot to remove the code before release due to the game being rushed out the door.
Something you didn't note in the video is that Samus can do that same input (up-dpad, down-dpad, up-dpad) in Brawl to turn into ZSS. Maybe there's some connection.
I love how Samus gets not one but TWO bits of exceptionally jank tech completely unique to her. Seeing them combined in that last clip was just... so beautiful.
I had a similar hypothesis about the extended grapple beam. My assumption was that the devs used it to test homing and targeting. After all, you can control when you want homing and not, and the extra range makes it easier to debug with. Incidentally, I always thought it was interesting how a similar input command exists in Brawl for changing from Samus to ZSS. Back then, I thought there was some sort of favoritism for Samus by the devs lol.
It's so fitting that it's Samus considering she has so many hidden mechanics in Super Metroid most players don't know about and some that make you go "How the hell did the devs think to put this here"
My interpretation of the move is a callout to the Metroid games. Like, "this is something the grapple beam would be capable of doing". It makes sense seeing as how flexible it is when Samus uses it to swing around, and the fact that's it's futuristic tech.
@@peppinoandweskerfriendsfor3450 That's an awesome idea; maybe you get the grapple beam, and later in the game you get the "homing beam". Early in the game there are powerups and upgrades in impossible to reach gaps and crevices. Once you get the homing beam, you can use it to get them. They could somehow implement the motion controls in the joycons to use it, like the grapple lasso in Prime 3.
nahor88 Maybe it can work kind of similar to the magnet thing from Breath of the Wild? That could be sick, but that’s kind of turning it into its own powerup...
i feel like i've heard of something along the lines of "hitting A to grab people when the tether misses" before, and I feel like this was around the time when i was younger and would always flip through the brawl handbook that came with the game. Maybe i'm hallucinating and just imagined i read/heard something like that before. We'll never find out
Even tho i miss those really awesomely edited melee vids ur pivot into a diff type of melee content has been amazing. Keep it up! Also if you start slacking on that thumbnail game imma play ultimate n watch zer0 instead
I must say, this channel has been one of my all time favourites for a long time, I have probably watched all your videos at least 2 times baked on the couch and this new direction ur taking the channel is really really exciting. Keep on doing u man, ur a breath of fresh air in a world of boring clip compilations.
Y'know how people say TH-cam sometimes unsubscribes people? Well, I think I've just experienced that for the first time ever (that I know of) with your channel. I was definitely subbed, just watched this and realized I wasn't. Tf TH-cam?
for people who don't know, the D-Pad inputs can be used in brawl's subspace emmisary to switch from samus to ZSS. it's probably a coincedence that the inputs for extender are almost the same and that they're on the same character
i liked your melee highlight videos a good bit but these last few videos of yours have just been top tier. i really cant wait to see more of this video essay stuff from you
I mean, it’s probably a way of testing the code behind Samus’s grab visualization. It’s obvious that the grab isn’t a set animation, and rather a chained together particle effect of some kind. In order to test something like that, a longer grab would be useful. Plus, they may have wanted it to be a special move or attack at some point, like zero suit in the later games. Or, it’s probably just a scrapped version of her grab, to test the two versions and see which one is better easily.
@@AbefromanGW No what he said was "haha, how could this be a glitch? Don't be silly" while also saying that the specific button used for the input has no other use beyond one easter egg, while also not drawing the conclusion that such a thing also means that the testers simply wouldn't have been thought to try it. It was biased towards not being a glitch, which is ridiculous considering how many bizarre unintended effects are in Melee.
LeCoolFace Physics “bugs?” They’re physics exploits. A bug would be making the physics engine do things it’s not supposed to do. Wavedashing and most other physics related tech in Melee are just exploits of how the physics engine works in the game to push it to its limits. If they were actually bugs they would’ve been patched out of the PAL version as well.
So basically they accidentally added all this extra grab range to Marth in the final version
how come nobody replied?
Chilln0 Because there was no reason to.
Huh,neat
ive been seeing so many smash players/fans/whatever with homestuck profile pictures whats going on
@@ekorruptdead4923 something something "smells bad" something something "kiddie diddlers" and something about a bucket I think...
Note: Samus can only grab airborne opponents with her normal grab for the *first 2 frames*. As such, I do not consider the inability to grab airborne opponents with extender a real downside.
That's cool... Do you have any video that shows this?
blue is a good man. this psalmist however..
I don't know the frame data precisely, but it's the same with (Young) Link. They can only grab airborne opponents if the hookshot (not the chain) touches the opponent, so the opponent basically has to be directly above (Young) Link for it to work.
@@algar6616 - Cute, but if there isn't, I want to try to make a video of me learning this tech, then one trying to implement the airborne part. Then there will be a video. 🥳
@@WayoftheFerret - Thanks for the insight... It's nice to know why my Yink grabs never work.
Axe said on stream he was thinking about picking up a samus secondary because he thought the extender meta was so under developed. We can only hope
µJoeTheMean Esam vibes
Naqromancer LOL
That’s a lot of work to put in for something that isn’t even that good. Lmao
god that would be so cash money
That's all Axe needs, another mid-tier, lol
That missile into superwavedash extender combo Plup did has to be one of the sickest, most technical things I've seen in this game.
My jaw absolutely dropped when I realized what just happened hahaha
wrrr
Super wave dash into extendo grab.... damn why did plup stop playing Samus lmao
because he's a sellout
So he could still do hype stuff but get rewarded for it more
@@WayoftheFerret there's such thing as a ceiling... it's awesome dont get me wrong. But pulp wanted in the tippy top, which he did.
His Samus still sexy, and would body vast majority. But like Mango, when facing Hbox. He is aware of his characters limitations.
@@MikeyCyan I am new in this community and I want to ask: Is that Hungrybox guy really _that_ good as everyone makes him look like?
@@cathacker13 is that an insult or no
I think it was a scrapped idea of samus having 2 different grabs, like she has 2 different sidebs
Im not too familiar with melee (its been years since I played it and I only played casually), but perhaps they couldnt get autograb on it to work for some reason, hence why they have to manually grab, and why it wasnt the main thing?
The early metroid fusion prototypes have a homing grapple and were in the works right as Melee was in development, so it's probably to do with that
Could've been used for a Samus specific adventure mode, maybe? Like, she"d need it to get over a jump or something.
@@JimJamTheAdmin idk, wouldnt make sense for them to always enable it
I know this comment is old but in Melee Samus didn't have 2 side B's yet, they added super missiles in Brawl
Haha. Marth's grab range.
Extendurrrrrrrr!
*Plup inhales*
go go gadget
Ness's Yo-Yo glitch grab range: Am I a joke to you?
I liked, but just to be the like N. 400
Yeet
2:52 not watched the rest yet, but as a gamedev, this is definitely a dev command someone left in the game. it's specific, easy to execute, and so esoteric 99.999% of players wouldn't find it on their own so you could put it in a show or playtest build. they were probably playing with having this as default samus behaviour, but decided it was too convoluted and used the standard grapple, but forgot to comment it out of production.
I know this is a real programmer because he said comment it out instead of remove it lol
@@awbert Yeah, a fellow programmer for sure. "Comment it out for production" is the secret everybody knows in the industry.
5:05 everybody talkin bout the extender but this dude just did a super wavedash out of nowhere first try
Dude your voice sounds so much like Emplemon it always trips me out
I thought I was the only one who did but god he does
I can't unhear it now.
Emp’s sounds more nasally but it’s still very similar
I thought I was the only one! Also, EmpLemon seems to have a great interest in Melee, coincidentally...
@@Nothsa-mt4yo He made the Hungybox documentary and I'm pretty sure that's it. His channel is all over the place.
I know this was probably a "what if they're the same person" joke but still felt like clarifying.
Definitely seems like this was used for fiddling around with Samus' grab. Knowing Nintendo, they likely deemed it too complex and put in a much simpler grab that functions like every other character's but forgot to remove the code before release due to the game being rushed out the door.
Makes me wonder if there are any more things like this still in the game just minus the code. Pikablu maybe???
isn't that exactly what the guy said in the video
"Knowing Nintendo" tf does this even mean
@@ChillavaKirby exactly what he means. You can't tell me smash games over time haven't gotten easier to pick up compared to melee
@@MsDestroyer900 you mean smash games over time stopped being not broken, glitchy messes?
Something you didn't note in the video is that Samus can do that same input (up-dpad, down-dpad, up-dpad) in Brawl to turn into ZSS. Maybe there's some connection.
Wait, really? I've got to check that as soon as I get up tomorrow.
Oh really? That's really interesting. Maybe that one is an easter egg in that case.
@Toxie Did you wake up to check yet?
You also just hold left right and z when selecting samus, hit start and youll notice your stock icon b4 choosing a stage is zero suit.
I love how Samus gets not one but TWO bits of exceptionally jank tech completely unique to her. Seeing them combined in that last clip was just... so beautiful.
I had a similar hypothesis about the extended grapple beam. My assumption was that the devs used it to test homing and targeting. After all, you can control when you want homing and not, and the extra range makes it easier to debug with.
Incidentally, I always thought it was interesting how a similar input command exists in Brawl for changing from Samus to ZSS. Back then, I thought there was some sort of favoritism for Samus by the devs lol.
3:37
*Oh look, a jelly doughnut!*
Good thing it never rains in Onett or we'd need a drying pan.
@@generalvic8250 ah, I love the references
@@generalvic8250 I'LL USE MY TRUSTY FRYING PAN AS A DRYING PAN
It's so fitting that it's Samus considering she has so many hidden mechanics in Super Metroid most players don't know about and some that make you go "How the hell did the devs think to put this here"
sooo good keep this style up i love it
Too
The extender should come back as an official move for Samus, it’s so sick
My interpretation of the move is a callout to the Metroid games. Like, "this is something the grapple beam would be capable of doing". It makes sense seeing as how flexible it is when Samus uses it to swing around, and the fact that's it's futuristic tech.
nahor88
Imagine using it in Metroid Prime 4, like Samus’s grapple beam has super physics and stuff.
@@peppinoandweskerfriendsfor3450 That's an awesome idea; maybe you get the grapple beam, and later in the game you get the "homing beam". Early in the game there are powerups and upgrades in impossible to reach gaps and crevices. Once you get the homing beam, you can use it to get them. They could somehow implement the motion controls in the joycons to use it, like the grapple lasso in Prime 3.
nahor88
Maybe it can work kind of similar to the magnet thing from Breath of the Wild? That could be sick, but that’s kind of turning it into its own powerup...
The homing beam was planned for Metroid Fusion if I'm not mistaken, it never made it into the game though.
The forgotten tech is showering
Marth’s grab range: *exists*
Samus: ゴゴゴ
This should have been kept in, it’s really cool and unique
that superwavedash into extender grab at the end was hot and basically summarizes melee gameplay
melee sik
How does this have so many likes
@@jesusgaming1967/videos because melee sik
Bruh...
If you want to see these trick used in tournament, you GOTTA watch Goomy do it.
GOOMYYYYYYY
Goomy is so sick
Goomy zoomy goomy zoomy
The video they showed of the Samus grabbing the Marth on battlefield was Goomy lol.
hey
0:38 That Halo skin looks so sick
i feel like i've heard of something along the lines of "hitting A to grab people when the tether misses" before, and I feel like this was around the time when i was younger and would always flip through the brawl handbook that came with the game. Maybe i'm hallucinating and just imagined i read/heard something like that before. We'll never find out
I hate when you have those old memories that you can never seem to prove anymore.
Even tho i miss those really awesomely edited melee vids ur pivot into a diff type of melee content has been amazing. Keep it up! Also if you start slacking on that thumbnail game imma play ultimate n watch zer0 instead
LeCoolFace correcting him isn’t cool or a good roast..
Kekela if you edgeguard only on grabbing the ledge, that’s not edgeguarding, that’s just stopping an opponent from grabbing the ledge.
@Kekela Easier ledges encourage actual edgeguarding, what are you on?
@Kekela seems like you aren't lying about that last statement because it's obvious you've never played ultimate
I must say, this channel has been one of my all time favourites for a long time, I have probably watched all your videos at least 2 times baked on the couch and this new direction ur taking the channel is really really exciting.
Keep on doing u man, ur a breath of fresh air in a world of boring clip compilations.
EEEEEXTENDURRR
This guys Been around ^^^^^^^
crafted
Shoutouts to wes
"Asumsaus" is just a weird way of saying "cool beans".
Koolbeens
I immediately re watched the Wes clip about Illegal moves after watching this lol
HipsterBanana “those moves are supposed to be in the game and whatnot, and he should shut up”
Back up in yo ass with the resurrection
I'm convinced that the Extendo grab is intentional. Switching from Samus to Zero Suit Samus in Brawl requires the same DPad inputs.
I love your content...not just because I love smash. But because you legit make the most entertaining videos
Falco: "Behind you fox... stay alert"
Fox: *up smash behind falco*
Hey, I’m loving the new content style!
This is one of the coolest things in any smash game and why Melee is still great 20 years later, I love cryptic hidden tech like this.
3:00
Oot speedrunners: Am I a joke to you???
Plup doing a super wavedash into extender grab at the end was nuts
And shit like this is why despite the fact that I’ve never played melee is why I watch these videos
I stay awake at night knowing Ultimate Samus could've been a lot worse.
Melee Samus play using tech like this is always so cool to see
All this time I had no idea this wasn't in PAL or the 1.0 version.
You really are the best channel doing this shit RN
Samus should've kept this in every game.
no
@@flixtwif Yes.
No
@@mjgoat5978 Yes.
...Maybe...?
Y'know how people say TH-cam sometimes unsubscribes people?
Well, I think I've just experienced that for the first time ever (that I know of) with your channel.
I was definitely subbed, just watched this and realized I wasn't.
Tf TH-cam?
I don't know why but you videos are so calming and entertaining... neat.
I honestly thought this was a joke or something.
for people who don't know, the D-Pad inputs can be used in brawl's subspace emmisary to switch from samus to ZSS.
it's probably a coincedence that the inputs for extender are almost the same and that they're on the same character
It isn't just in the Subspace Emissary. D-pad inputs can also be used to start as ZSS in normal brawls after character selection.
ahh, imagine if the normal grab had that range and homing ability(in ultimate) she'd probs see more use.
That'd be busted lol considering her throws are a lot better in Ultimate overall.
Her Grab is already one of the better ones in the game too.
I always thought this was called "Wes' Illegal move" and after seeing the video it can never be forgotten.
Great video asum!
i liked your melee highlight videos a good bit but these last few videos of yours have just been top tier. i really cant wait to see more of this video essay stuff from you
ahhhhh your content is so original and entertaining thank you thank you
I’m honestly a little mad that you didn’t include the most famous use of this tech in a tournament: ESAM vs Triple R at Combo Breaker 2016
I want this grab but on marth, and I want his arm to noodle like the grapple beam.
The forgotten tech of memes: I just realized your name is short for "awesome sauce"! lol
I remember when "sauce" or "sus" was such a huge overused joke in TH-cam Poops and other meme-related stuff.
I mean, it’s probably a way of testing the code behind Samus’s grab visualization. It’s obvious that the grab isn’t a set animation, and rather a chained together particle effect of some kind. In order to test something like that, a longer grab would be useful. Plus, they may have wanted it to be a special move or attack at some point, like zero suit in the later games. Or, it’s probably just a scrapped version of her grab, to test the two versions and see which one is better easily.
Keep up the work these videos are lookin great
Yo, the Melee comunity is like:
Glitch is tech synonymous
Yo, synonymous is spelt with a y
>Sinonimous
*nice*
yo, he said in the video that it wasn't a glitch, if you would pay any attention instead of just going "melee bad"
@@AbefromanGW No what he said was "haha, how could this be a glitch? Don't be silly" while also saying that the specific button used for the input has no other use beyond one easter egg, while also not drawing the conclusion that such a thing also means that the testers simply wouldn't have been thought to try it. It was biased towards not being a glitch, which is ridiculous considering how many bizarre unintended effects are in Melee.
LeCoolFace Physics “bugs?” They’re physics exploits. A bug would be making the physics engine do things it’s not supposed to do. Wavedashing and most other physics related tech in Melee are just exploits of how the physics engine works in the game to push it to its limits. If they were actually bugs they would’ve been patched out of the PAL version as well.
I keep forgetting the tech, always as I see this video in my recommendations and then click on it.
SAMUS MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOO
You outro just made me smile n subscribe. Be proud of urself, It works.
2:17 the irony of marth getting grabbed over and over is satisfying
Samus's melee iteration is possibly the weirdest smash character of all time just because of the weird tech you can do
Doesn't Project M also have Extender?
I feel like I'm in a fever dream or something wtf is extender lol
Your edits are so amazing.. great Plup clip at the end
Thanks for this video! I'm not even a competitive smash player, and yet I still managed to do this within a few seconds.
The range is amazing.
There are enough published interviews with Sakurai... maybe we can try to get a journalist to ask him in an interview what the deal was with this.
thank you for not making this video 20 minutes long for no fuckin reason.... love that and you
“Glitches aren’t caused with ur d pad”
Gta- hold my beer
Are you stupid
@1998SIMOMEGA this comment concerns me of the youth.
Forgotten? I never even knew this was a thing. XD
And that is why Samus will always be my fav
this video is super good, been loving the new content
0:39 omg it is master chief!
2:15 WHO'S GRAB IS BUSTED NOW, MARTH?
"If only there is a interesting short video for me to watch while I eat!"
AsumSaus:
These videos are the best! Keep it up man.
I’m not a melee player but that was a really cool video lol. Subbed.
this is quickly becoming my favourite melee channel, keep it up bro
My friend always turns this on when playing Samus, even if it gets him killed more often than not. We call it the debug grab.
youre a really good person
ty for everything
Paper Mario TTYD music at beginning sent me through nostalgia loop.
i used this on a luigi at evo in pools, poor dude had no idea what was happening
The please at the end got me, subscribed.
Load up the video and immediately hear (what i think) is ttyd music... nice!
Samus has such sick tech for no apparent reason
Melee has the 2 longest grabs in smash, this samus grab, and the yo yo glitch grab
that's the first "plz subscribe" that actually got me to subscribe
Cool video! Love the TTYD music, really fits the video with the mysterious and strange vibe. Chapter 3 was rad
Can you recover with it??
No. Her grabs stays the same in air regardless if you have the extendur active or not.
@@joe5191 *extendurrrrrr
@@joe5191 if it's the same then why wouldnt you be able to recover with it?
@@joe5191 I just tested it and samus CAN do zair recovery after activating extendurrrr
What Joe meant is you can't recover recover *with the extender*. He should have also added that you can still recover since it is a normal zair
(5:00) Bro just said "Welcome to Melee" in the language of super wave dash into extender. Wtf.
lol i like how you cut in a b roll of a model m typing test to simulate someone programming
Lmao the super wavedash into the extender was baller af.
Falco: “Behind you Fox, stay alert”
Fox: No, behind you *upsmash*
That Paper Mario 2 music. Hell yeah
Great video! Was always wondering about this. Thanks for the info!
I'm rewatching your melee videos, and I didnt realise till you asked me to, that I was not subscribed. I apologise for my grevious oversight.
This and Ness's grab have to be some of my favorite techs in the game
Good, high quality video. nice!
3:51 you could argue that luigis taunt is a Easter egg and can be used against other players but that is just one exception your point still stands
You got me with the paper mario music my man. I love you