There's actually a little known Easter egg in the game, where if you hold shine while a projectile is heading towards you, it will get reflected the other way
Shine is used to: Gimp, combo, kill, recover, move out of shield, and as shield pressure. Reflecting is its least used application, what it was intended to do.
Isn't it funny that most of of Melee's popularity (and with it, the competitive Smash community as a whole) comes from its unbalaced movesets and insane combo potential, even though this is something that was never really intended to be implemented in the first place and only ended up being a thing because the game was rushed so it could be the release title for the Gamecube? In short, competitive Smash was created by accident.
There's _another_ reason Shine is dumb: It's an electric attack, which in Melee means its hitlag is multiplied by 1.5x, but only for the defender. This makes it significantly easier to chase the foe and follow up.
And don't forget about the set knockback, making it incredible for combos. Falco is the second best character due to those classic Shine + D-air combos.
Unfortunately the smash i play (SSF2,yeah,i don't have any money) the shine is not that great,like,you can still jump cancel and multishine but...that's it,not much of it
@@taskreloaded7263 ok but that is for FALCO,fox's shine is not that great (the most useful thing you can do with shine is shine spike characters with bad recoveries)
These videos always seem genuine to me. Excellent but not flashy editing, and a voiceover that feels more like a conversation than a speech. Looking forward for more of these to come out. Not to mention the on point sound effects. Like, jesus.
Agreed. I'd rather watch a channel that only makes good content no matter the time. Than a channel that just pumps out daily garbage that makes you loose the intention to keep watching.
as a resident of washington, that tournament panel is heavily memed in our state "haha we talk about the 7 bayos and 1 ness but have you heard about the washington split between puff and peach, and one sheik??"
Because a lot of characters dont have the speed or jump height to do anything other than try to shine gimp (if they get fox's shine). Fox has the speed on the ground to chase his shine's horizontal knockback, and falco has the huge fast vertical movement to keep up with his shine's vertical knockback via jump. The people who act like shine gimp is some unstoppable tool don't play fox and/or don't know how to edgeguard with their own character. This is why marth players have such annoying foxes. They act like it's super easy to play fox while only doing the most simple, uninspired options over and over.
come and punish me i say! i'll be waitin' ya with a frame of the ol' 20XX. i'm a grim shiny sparkle, with an uncancelleable bloody angle! *Marth, falco and sheik get spiked by the shine mine*
As someone who only watches and never plays, this is the most informing vid on shine mechanics, well written, and no lame jokes or forced comedy and all in 5 min. Thankyou!
Given that it can't be canceled after successfully reflecting something, my guess is that they did intend to make it cancelable so that you don't get fully exposed for that huge long to attacks in case you miss a reflection / pull it by accident
I love this new style of content, please keep it up. It's a great way to introduce newer players to the game while entertaining those of us who have been around for a while.
Thanks for making this video, very helpful. I knew almost all of this but when my friends asked me about melee spacies I couldn't explain anything without having a panic attack.
Idk why, but that transition from the Viridian City music to the Bianco Hills music is so satisfying to me. It just fits the tone of the video so perfectly
I read “Triple shine (anything past here tends to just be called a multishine)” As “Triple shine (anything past here tends to just be called a mistake)” lol
Dude your new style of video has taken you from a Top Tier Melee content creator to the clear best Melee content creator in the community. Keep up the good work, my friend.
@@d0943 Right but people talk about it like the move is in its own league. Shine is just one of the insane moves that Melee's insane characters have, albeit one of the most significant ones
@@Ldevos0 That's because the move IS in its own league. Remove shine and you vastly change the entire character. It is quite literally central to his optimal playstyle.
I've tried playing Melee competitively when I was in college, but I don't understand how people can chain multiple frame-perfect inputs multiple times in a row and just fly across the map. Probably one of the most frustrating competitive games I've ever played.
@@dude99121 No, no it literally isn't. Portland is still an amazing place to live. Makes me wish the PNW wasn't connected to the rest of this shitty country.
So I'm watching this video back again for like the umpteenth time and I only just now noticed that at 2:27 when he introduces Fox, its playing Bianco Hills, and then later on at 2:40 as soon as Falco enters the screen, it goes to Yoshi version.
Thank you for making this kinda content - I really do not like Melee and have no attachment to it, but I'm a person who has a lot of interest in gaming (and competitive gaming) cultures like Melee's, and just learning more about the game's mechanics and oddities is always enjoyable. Congrats on your channel becoming blessed, keep up the consistent content/growth!
This is Fox’s Reflector. If you’re familiar at all with competitive smash, it’s probably one of the first things you think of when you hear the word Melee. And if you actually play Melee, this light blue, flashing hexagon has been burned into your mind forever at this point. The notoriety of Melee’s iteration of the reflector, or “Shine” as it’s called in the community, is no doubt indebted to the fact that it’s attached to two of Melee’s best and most popular characters; Fox and Falco. Not to mention it’s also one of, if not THE best move in the entire game. But, have you ever thought about what makes it so good? Shine has a lot of things going for it. It comes out on frame 1, the fastest a move can possibly become active, It gives Fox and Falco full intangibility for its first frame, it’s a solid kill option for both spacies, it’s a huge part of both of their combo games, it halts your vertical momentum for a bit, and of course, it reflects projectiles. But what if I told you none of those things are what makes shine so good, what if I told you [that] the best part of shine is ending it. For frames 4 through 21, you can cancel Fox and Falco’s shine by jumping. With this as a possibility, shine essentially changes from a very laggy, relatively niche 39-frame move with only a single frame of an active hitbox, to the deadly, multi-purpose killer the community knows so well that, at its fastest, is only 4 frames long. Raw speed isn’t the only benefit of being able to cancel shine by jumping out of it too. By inputting certain moves in what’s called “jumpsquat”, the frames before you leave the ground after inputting a jump, you can perform a few grounded moves immediately out of shine. This is called jump-canceling, and it’s where things get a little wild. Shine, jump-cancel, grab, or simply Shine grab, is one of the best options on shield in the game. You can Shine, Jump-cancel, Upsmash, if you’re feeling extra cool. And, last but not least, you can pseudo-jump-cancel a shine into another shine, which is fittingly called a double shine. What do I mean by pseudo-jump-cancel, though? Well, it’s the same idea as a regular jump-cancel, but since you can't actually perform shine during jumpsquat, like grab and upsmash, you input shine on the first frame you’re airborne after jumpsquat. After your double shine, you can jump-cancel yet again into another shine to perform a triple shine. Jump-cancel shine out of that to perform a quadruple shine, and when you’re technical enough; *shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine (breaks shield)* *23 shines in a row* But, that’s all, right? It doesn’t get any better tha- No! There’s more. Because you can jump out of shine, you can also perform Melee’s quintessential tech out of it, the wavedash, which is performed by jumping, and then airdodging diagonally into the ground. This combination of moves, shine into wavedash, is called a waveshine, and it’s pivotal for Fox and Falco players to master. Technically proficient Fox players can perform a pseudo-infinite on certain characters by waveshining their opponent across the stage. Though with DI and smash DI, you can escape. Waveshining is also what turns reflector into a solid combo tool and kill confirm by way of waveshine-upsmash. For Falco, waveshining is much the same in that it’s a huge combo tool, finisher, and kill confirm. But unlike Fox, Falco sadly has no infinite he can perform.
My friends and I didn't know it was this powerful back when we were just playing on a couch. It still got called the 'hand of god' by the only Fox main.
There's more... You can turn around in the shine animation. Which means you can grab ledge quickly by (Dash>Shine>TurnAround>WaveDash) or (Dash off ledge>Shine>TurnAround>Jump>UpB) to ledge. You can also use it to counter recovery because Fox's shine is a semi-spike and can kill at low percentages. Falco can recovery from Dair endlag because shine reduces falling speed. Shine is fast, intangible, reflects, Combos, Kill Options, EdgeGuarding, Recover, Shield Pressure, etc. It can do everything
I don't care much for Melee but I love learning about it, and damn you are clear and direct. Love the content, hope to see this channel grow over time!
There’s something narratively satisfying about the fact that it comes out on frame 1 is the first thing on the short list in beginning of what makes it good and “ending it” is last
hope you give the game a try someday! it's truly an incredible game with a lot of care and love put into it by its creators and community, despite them often getting a bad rap.
Honestly I think it fits in just fine. It doesn't really break the game as a whole in anyway imo. I'm play falco sometimes but im mainly a falcon player. Playing foxes and falcos really doesn't bother me in anyway. I don't think it's broken at all. Unintended feature at best lol.
It's balanced relative to the other high tiers. There's nothing wrong with having a strong option if it makes the character more viable, fun, and technical to play. Without shine, Fox/Falco would have nothing strong to compete with the other high tiers.
shine also has a decently high knockback that doesn't look at the opponents %; its consistency of how it spaces them is also a huge part of why its so good. surprised that wasn't mentioned
@@krooked7631 Yeah but that's not the most optimal application for shine. You're supposed to turnaround before the down special. Being able to turn around during shine is more of a safety net for if you messed up the turnaround, especially because it temporarily disables jump canceling (which is the only reason you would even want to turnaround)
There's actually a little known Easter egg in the game, where if you hold shine while a projectile is heading towards you, it will get reflected the other way
No way man that can't be real!
Oh yeah sure. And Toad is unlockable of you shoot every credit.
@@rickmoranisstan
You can also unlock Sonic by clearing Cruel Smash!
Shine is a genuine reflector
@@banjofan4204 it was a joke dipshit
wait that shit reflects?? daaammn the spacies really do have it all
lol
HI DUSK I LOVE YOU
@@greensemicircle WTF SEMI WHATS UP LMAOO I LOVE U TOO
What did you think it did? Shine wasn’t intended to be overpowered, just to be a reflector
@@an_annoying_cat r/whoosh
I clicked on this video on frame one
But did you jump cancel it on frame 4?
No I watched it til end.
Robert _SSBM i clicked on it in half an a press
Connor Andresen but I am still 4 parallel universes ahead of you guys
You mean frame two? I'm pretty sure it's intangible in frame one
“What if you couldn’t jump cancel it like... marth or puffs down b”
*dont make me think about jump cancel rest*
Morph Ball how to delete a reply on a TH-cam comment
Wait this isn’t google
Doublerest on someone... The horror of just thinking about it
@@ahmadj1064 would kill
Mateotheweeb one rest in melee is already killing almost at 0 so basically multi rest would take two stocks
@@enekochienn6032 as well as rest having zero penalty and jugglypuff having many jumps to cancel with
Shine is used to: Gimp, combo, kill, recover, move out of shield, and as shield pressure.
Reflecting is its least used application, what it was intended to do.
Isn't it funny that most of of Melee's popularity (and with it, the competitive Smash community as a whole) comes from its unbalaced movesets and insane combo potential, even though this is something that was never really intended to be implemented in the first place and only ended up being a thing because the game was rushed so it could be the release title for the Gamecube?
In short, competitive Smash was created by accident.
My favorite is when a Fox/Falco player reflects laser by powershielding instead of shine
@@Zoronii Noice
@@mparagames powershielding is actually better than shine to reflect projectiles in most cases
@@kifkif7117 Why is it though?
That washington regional gave me chills too asumsaus
Imagine living here... *chills*
I remember when I saw it on twitter, I legit thought it was a joke
At least 8th place weren't icies
@@xXPhoenix45Xx I used to live there too and I don't remember there being that many puff mains lol
@@kkahakusan5591 probably would be if wobbling was legal here lmao
There's _another_ reason Shine is dumb: It's an electric attack, which in Melee means its hitlag is multiplied by 1.5x, but only for the defender. This makes it significantly easier to chase the foe and follow up.
And don't forget about the set knockback, making it incredible for combos. Falco is the second best character due to those classic Shine + D-air combos.
It wouldn't combo into nearly as much stuff without the hitlag multiplier, though.
Unfortunately the smash i play (SSF2,yeah,i don't have any money) the shine is not that great,like,you can still jump cancel and multishine but...that's it,not much of it
@@anotherdnb shine is still a great combo tool and pseudo kill confirm for falco in ssf2
@@taskreloaded7263 ok but that is for FALCO,fox's shine is not that great (the most useful thing you can do with shine is shine spike characters with bad recoveries)
1:09 love how the crowd is more hyped when they use the shine as a reflector
"just remove shine, just take it away,"
- Ludvix(when he actually uploaded)
I miss luvdix
Me too
such a shame that he became a wizard101 speedrunner
Dc Scorch its a shame for us but it’s what he wants to do
"Why they didn't nerf Fox even more?"-Ludvix PAL
When I was a kid I thought the reflector was an invisible GameCube.
What
I mean, your not wrong
He gotta a point my guy the shine is a trick to pressure the opponent in to messing up and to rack up damage over time and to combo
That would've been cool
You actually got a point! It’s like the GameCube Symbol on when you start up the system! As if Melee couldn’t get anymore epic than it already it!
Your content has been on fire lately!
FIRE!
This will be a checkmarked comment in a couple weeks, I’m thinking March 25th
Fiyaah
FIYAA!
Hi gimr
These videos always seem genuine to me. Excellent but not flashy editing, and a voiceover that feels more like a conversation than a speech. Looking forward for more of these to come out.
Not to mention the on point sound effects. Like, jesus.
My therapist: Don't worry 8 minute matches don't exist
The Washington Regional:
Lol
The quality of your videos outweighs how long it takes for them to come out
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Isn't it like once every 1 or 2 weeks though, that's pretty short intervals.
Agreed. I'd rather watch a channel that only makes good content no matter the time. Than a channel that just pumps out daily garbage that makes you loose the intention to keep watching.
much like the shine.
as a resident of washington, that tournament panel is heavily memed in our state
"haha we talk about the 7 bayos and 1 ness but have you heard about the washington split between puff and peach, and one sheik??"
3:15 fox just coming out of nowhere literally gave me a heart attack
@@jorgegordillo791 *BUSTA WOLF*
I once heard that shine could go on nearly any character and push them up a tier
I can't see why that would be untrue
Because a lot of characters dont have the speed or jump height to do anything other than try to shine gimp (if they get fox's shine). Fox has the speed on the ground to chase his shine's horizontal knockback, and falco has the huge fast vertical movement to keep up with his shine's vertical knockback via jump.
The people who act like shine gimp is some unstoppable tool don't play fox and/or don't know how to edgeguard with their own character. This is why marth players have such annoying foxes. They act like it's super easy to play fox while only doing the most simple, uninspired options over and over.
Puff
@@hidethepainharold4256 Replace every down-B with shine, puff is unhappy. She would stay tier S she can't get up anymore.
I think Samus, Peach, Puff, and maybe the Links would all get worse. But every other character would get better, some massively so (like Marth).
burst attack = good
I love the old Asumsaus, I love the new Asumsaus 😌
Nice
5:01 “Would every tournament just look like a Washington regional?”
being from washington myself, feelsbadman
I felt so attacked. And I main falcon.
b3afy why are Washington regionals without any space animals?
Also, who would go to a regional in Des Moines?
I’m with you, feelsbadman
@@bb010g Theres a community college in Des Moines that the tournaments are held at if I remember right
Shine isn't just the best move in the game, it's one of the best moves in any fighting game, ever.
All of meta knights specials except Forward special, D-smash, Up air, Down air:
@@shudeepta don't forget his ridiculously big frame 3 d tilt that trips
@@salemmetal6433or up air
0:40 find yourself a girl thats looks at you like fox before she mercilessly shinespikes you
Someone: *shields shine*
Fox, multishining his shield forever:so, you have chosen death.
Glad that it exists, we do not want a Washington Regional
i live in washington, so i have plenty of fun
@@ashisstuff are Fox, Falco and Marth banned there or what?
I would upvote. But I don't want to break your 69 streak
@@ashisstuff long live WA
Washington is lit what are you talking bout! Melee sucks here but ultimate is fire.
"What makes me a good shine? If I was a bad shine, I wouldn't be sitting here reflecting projectiles all day!"
"One down-B press, one pinch of frame-perfect timing, one errant up-smash:
AND KABLOOIE"
"Oh, they're gonna have to glue you back together...IN BRAWL!"
i got a manky hitbox. I'm a blue frame one reflector! they've got more [aggressive multishining noises] than the likes of me... SO!
"T'all you fine dandies so proud, so cocksure, wavedashin' about with your cons fulla notches!"
come and punish me i say! i'll be waitin' ya with a frame of the ol' 20XX.
i'm a grim shiny sparkle, with an uncancelleable bloody angle!
*Marth, falco and sheik get spiked by the shine mine*
3:10 holy cow. That was at least 25 consecutive Shines. Wow.
As someone who only watches and never plays, this is the most informing vid on shine mechanics, well written, and no lame jokes or forced comedy and all in 5 min. Thankyou!
Given that it can't be canceled after successfully reflecting something, my guess is that they did intend to make it cancelable so that you don't get fully exposed for that huge long to attacks in case you miss a reflection / pull it by accident
I love these Melee analysis videos. I simply cant get enough of them.
When you mention Rest being uncancelable, that only leads me to imagine if rest canceling was a thing. Perhaps it have been 20XX but puff...
If you watch the datpags video where one of them plays puff on turbo mode, that's what it'd be like.
Mango wouldn't have abandoned Puff, M2K would have chosen Puff over Shiek and Armada would never have returned to the US because he hates her.
I've missed SilentWolf for a long while, but those Washington results are basically on their knees for him to come back
I love this new style of content, please keep it up. It's a great way to introduce newer players to the game while entertaining those of us who have been around for a while.
Asum, this is your best video yet. I love the pacing, the delivery, and the deadpan. It all works together so well. Good job!
WOOOAH fox is such a good boy in the intro! look at that little guy go
I like his little tippy tappy sounds
It even got a pretty cool tribute in Smash Ultimate
Everytime anything is reflected, a blue hexagon appears
Thanks for making this video, very helpful. I knew almost all of this but when my friends asked me about melee spacies I couldn't explain anything without having a panic attack.
Idk why, but that transition from the Viridian City music to the Bianco Hills music is so satisfying to me. It just fits the tone of the video so perfectly
I read
“Triple shine (anything past here tends to just be called a multishine)”
As
“Triple shine (anything past here tends to just be called a mistake)” lol
You know, for a reflector, it's pretty amazing at everything other than reflecting
0:05 Wow! Look at that Shine! Use Rust-eze! And you, too! You'll look like ME! Ka-chow!!
Dude your new style of video has taken you from a Top Tier Melee content creator to the clear best Melee content creator in the community. Keep up the good work, my friend.
Dude I laughed so hard at that Washington regional.
Great video dude. I love your comedic timing and you have an oddly soothing voice
damn your content has been so good lately
5:05 I went to that regional, they should rename the series Fastfaller Hell
Shine tucks me in at night when no one else will
Only Fox's 5th best move according to KJH.
it doesnt have to be his best move to tie his kit together
@@d0943 Right but people talk about it like the move is in its own league. Shine is just one of the insane moves that Melee's insane characters have, albeit one of the most significant ones
@@Ldevos0 That's because the move IS in its own league. Remove shine and you vastly change the entire character. It is quite literally central to his optimal playstyle.
@@brolo7234 Well, falco as shown in brawl still can do nasty things by himself thanks to dair, fox by the other hand...
I've tried playing Melee competitively when I was in college, but I don't understand how people can chain multiple frame-perfect inputs multiple times in a row and just fly across the map. Probably one of the most frustrating competitive games I've ever played.
Most people use a method called git gud
I love how with that angle fox just looks a falco really quick 00:40
2:18 best moment in history.
*#WOMBOCOMBO**!!!*
How people can actually pull off these inputs so fast and successfully during a fight is beyond me @_@
Melee is beautiful
effective practice
“Washington regional” lmao
just wanna say this got recommended to me when i first opened the app and i’m currently binging your whole channel. good work!
lmao washington regionals. Fat Goku is our only hope up here. Thank god I live in Portland, OR
This marks the last time someone said "Thank god I live in Portland"
@@dude99121 No, no it literally isn't. Portland is still an amazing place to live. Makes me wish the PNW wasn't connected to the rest of this shitty country.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon the PNW is the best place in the country
@@Jarekthegamingdragon I definitely wouldn't want to live in a place with daily violent riots and no go zones.
@@Epsilonsama what the flippity flap jack is a no-go zone.
The new style of videos with the commentary is great.
0:08 aww, it bird
Gotta love your muzak choices of Mario Sunshine and Banjo Kazooie .. and the joke of Washington's regional at the end. Amazing work as always
You're content is like a high quality meal
I think you mean Yro’ue
So I'm watching this video back again for like the umpteenth time and I only just now noticed that at 2:27 when he introduces Fox, its playing Bianco Hills, and then later on at 2:40 as soon as Falco enters the screen, it goes to Yoshi version.
Thank you for making this kinda content - I really do not like Melee and have no attachment to it, but I'm a person who has a lot of interest in gaming (and competitive gaming) cultures like Melee's, and just learning more about the game's mechanics and oddities is always enjoyable. Congrats on your channel becoming blessed, keep up the consistent content/growth!
"Imagine if you couldn't jump out of it, like say, Marth or Puff's down special."
Forget that. Imagine if you COULD jump out of Puff's down special.
4:18 *Sea Breeze-Metal Gear*
Ahh' so peaceful still after all these years...
I love that you do voice overs now. It adds so much
This Video: *exists*
TheOdd1sOut: "yeah ok"
I've never played any smash game, nor did I ever have a Nintendo device but this vid is still entertaining af.
0:32, seeing jigglypuff in A-tier is just so strange
It's due to Hungrybox.
5:05 is the stuff of nightmare holy sh*t
1:09 took me a hot minute to realize hbox was using fox
These videos are the perfect mix of informative and entertaining. Could argue you're the best smash content creator out there right now
This is Fox’s Reflector. If you’re familiar at all with competitive smash, it’s probably one of the first things you think of when you hear the word Melee. And if you actually play Melee, this light blue, flashing hexagon has been burned into your mind forever at this point. The notoriety of Melee’s iteration of the reflector, or “Shine” as it’s called in the community, is no doubt indebted to the fact that it’s attached to two of Melee’s best and most popular characters; Fox and Falco. Not to mention it’s also one of, if not THE best move in the entire game. But, have you ever thought about what makes it so good?
Shine has a lot of things going for it. It comes out on frame 1, the fastest a move can possibly become active, It gives Fox and Falco full intangibility for its first frame, it’s a solid kill option for both spacies, it’s a huge part of both of their combo games, it halts your vertical momentum for a bit, and of course, it reflects projectiles. But what if I told you none of those things are what makes shine so good, what if I told you [that] the best part of shine is ending it.
For frames 4 through 21, you can cancel Fox and Falco’s shine by jumping. With this as a possibility, shine essentially changes from a very laggy, relatively niche 39-frame move with only a single frame of an active hitbox, to the deadly, multi-purpose killer the community knows so well that, at its fastest, is only 4 frames long. Raw speed isn’t the only benefit of being able to cancel shine by jumping out of it too. By inputting certain moves in what’s called “jumpsquat”, the frames before you leave the ground after inputting a jump, you can perform a few grounded moves immediately out of shine. This is called jump-canceling, and it’s where things get a little wild. Shine, jump-cancel, grab, or simply Shine grab, is one of the best options on shield in the game. You can Shine, Jump-cancel, Upsmash, if you’re feeling extra cool. And, last but not least, you can pseudo-jump-cancel a shine into another shine, which is fittingly called a double shine. What do I mean by pseudo-jump-cancel, though? Well, it’s the same idea as a regular jump-cancel, but since you can't actually perform shine during jumpsquat, like grab and upsmash, you input shine on the first frame you’re airborne after jumpsquat. After your double shine, you can jump-cancel yet again into another shine to perform a triple shine. Jump-cancel shine out of that to perform a quadruple shine, and when you’re technical enough; *shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine-shine (breaks shield)* *23 shines in a row*
But, that’s all, right? It doesn’t get any better tha- No! There’s more. Because you can jump out of shine, you can also perform Melee’s quintessential tech out of it, the wavedash, which is performed by jumping, and then airdodging diagonally into the ground. This combination of moves, shine into wavedash, is called a waveshine, and it’s pivotal for Fox and Falco players to master.
Technically proficient Fox players can perform a pseudo-infinite on certain characters by waveshining their opponent across the stage. Though with DI and smash DI, you can escape. Waveshining is also what turns reflector into a solid combo tool and kill confirm by way of waveshine-upsmash. For Falco, waveshining is much the same in that it’s a huge combo tool, finisher, and kill confirm. But unlike Fox, Falco sadly has no infinite he can perform.
My friends and I didn't know it was this powerful back when we were just playing on a couch. It still got called the 'hand of god' by the only Fox main.
I played a lot of Fox on smash 64 as a kid and I had no idea shine could be used for anything but reflecting projectiles :D
4:32 jump out of puff's down special??? so like, multi-rest is possible???
There's more... You can turn around in the shine animation. Which means you can grab ledge quickly by (Dash>Shine>TurnAround>WaveDash) or (Dash off ledge>Shine>TurnAround>Jump>UpB) to ledge. You can also use it to counter recovery because Fox's shine is a semi-spike and can kill at low percentages. Falco can recovery from Dair endlag because shine reduces falling speed. Shine is fast, intangible, reflects, Combos, Kill Options, EdgeGuarding, Recover, Shield Pressure, etc. It can do everything
This vid is the first time I've ever seen shine be used as a reflector XD
I'm a huge fan of these newer style informative videos. Keep up the good work 👌
2:33 ah, the memories of early 2008-12
and also dude you're 100% the best youtube smash channel besides grsmash keep up the great vids
I don't care much for Melee but I love learning about it, and damn you are clear and direct. Love the content, hope to see this channel grow over time!
as an ultimate player who doesn't know much about melee, this was pretty enjoyable to watch. great video dude
Ironic how "The Reflector" is popularly known to do everything but reflect
It can do your dishes, clean your clothes, make your dinner, and do anything but reflect! Buy your reflector today!
There’s something narratively satisfying about the fact that it comes out on frame 1 is the first thing on the short list in beginning of what makes it good and “ending it” is last
I am an ultimate player and never played melee but i still greatly enjoy all your videos
hope you give the game a try someday! it's truly an incredible game with a lot of care and love put into it by its creators and community, despite them often getting a bad rap.
Nvm
5:06 As someone who lives in Washington, I won a super minor High School club tournament in Ultimate with Ridley. Yeah. WA is WAck.
0:15 Unless your a Yoshi main like me.
I like the older style of videos, but I also really enjoy the direction you're taking the channel.
Funny thing is, recently people have been trying to say that “shine isn’t really broken.”
Honestly I think it fits in just fine. It doesn't really break the game as a whole in anyway imo. I'm play falco sometimes but im mainly a falcon player. Playing foxes and falcos really doesn't bother me in anyway. I don't think it's broken at all. Unintended feature at best lol.
It's balanced relative to the other high tiers. There's nothing wrong with having a strong option if it makes the character more viable, fun, and technical to play. Without shine, Fox/Falco would have nothing strong to compete with the other high tiers.
Jumping out of Puff Down B would be the most horrifying thing ever... THAT I NEED TO MOD INTO THE GAME.
Teacher: the test wont be hard
The test:
I can't get over how good the editing for this video is
This video feels like a high quality EmpLemon video
Loving the video dude
shine also has a decently high knockback that doesn't look at the opponents %; its consistency of how it spaces them is also a huge part of why its so good. surprised that wasn't mentioned
As a Washingtonian I feel offended LMAO
This video came up on my feed months after watching. I'll gladly watch it again 👍
3:41 why does Peach’s stock icon look like Toon Link?
You make some of the best melee videos I’ve ever seen! Keep them coming plz
so nobody's talking about shine turnarouds?
Tikaal right? I definitely thought he would touch on that.
maybe bc thats a general special move technique, not just for shine
comett itun b turnarounds are not the same as freely turning around inside the animation of shine
Or shine out of shield
@@krooked7631 Yeah but that's not the most optimal application for shine. You're supposed to turnaround before the down special. Being able to turn around during shine is more of a safety net for if you messed up the turnaround, especially because it temporarily disables jump canceling (which is the only reason you would even want to turnaround)
I subbed years ago for quality memes, but I've been loving the recent shift in content, too
Falco is now considered the 4th best character.
It’s incredible for a clone!
Yo really loving the new vids talking about the mechanics. Keep it up man!
3:13 so good hahaha
This new content is actually amazing