One of thw ways the Church refuted Arianism was by concentrating on Mary, the mother of Jesus. She was delared to be Theotokas ("God bearer). Until Arius, not much attention was paid towrds her. At the time of Arius, Churches were built in her honor, hyms wriien in her praise and prayers such as the "Hail, Mary" were composed. As to Arius, he died on the toilet, much like Herod the Great and Elvis the King,
The Catholic Church said there were errors in the Bible so they made the pope infallible so that the church's tradition became more reliable than the Word of God. Typical catholic heresy.
Protestants ignore the fact that there were dozens of gospels and hundreds of epistles in circulation before the Catholic Church settled on MML&J and the rest of the New Testament in the late 4th century.
CORRECTION: At 23:18 the narrator says that Christ is "fully" God and "fully" man. The correct term is: TRULY man and TRULY God (vere homo vere Deus). Using the term "fully" can lead to the heresy of Nestorianism (th-cam.com/video/IbAYnW6Ax20/w-d-xo.html). In the Nestorian heresy, Jesus is believed to be two separate persons (one "fully" man, and the other "fully" God), instead of one person with two natures, as is the orthodox position. The Church, at the council of Chalcedon, developed the phrase "vere homo vere Deus" to put the final nail in the coffin of both the Monophysite heresy and the Nestorian heresy. "Vere" = "truly." In contrast, the latin world for "fully" is "plene."
I want to start a band called Alexander and the Alexandrians. Our first and only album is to be titled "Never mind the Arians, here's the Contra Mundum".
Beautiful explanation. In the Philippines there is a sect named Iglesia ni Cristo who also deny the divinity of Christ, but this sect is worst as its argumentation suggests God ca not be circumcised, don’t get hungry, don’t die. Ridiculous.
I think is wrong to say a man who became God ,in all case be ( God became a man) not the other way around we never we be able to became God.plese someone explain this to me
Actually, we Jehovah's Witnesses don't view Arius as our forefather and we don't believe everything he taught. We discussed his views in 1984: Historian H. M. Gwatkin states in his book The Arian Controversy: “The God of Arius is an unknown God, whose being is hidden in eternal mystery. No creature can reveal him, and he cannot reveal himself.” Arius denied that the Son could really know the Father. The Bible teaches that the Son ‘fully knows’ the Father and that the Son is “the one that has explained him.” (Matthew 11:27; John 1:14, 18) Arius claimed that the Word became God’s Son “by adoption” because of his virtue or moral integrity. The Bible says that he was Jehovah's “only-begotten son.” (John 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 1:2; Revelation 3:14) Arius taught that Christians could hope to become equal to Christ, whereas the Bible states that God gave him “the name that is above every other name.” (Philippians 2:9-11) Far from being modern-day Arians, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe what the Bible says."
@@mathnsciencewhizthere is only one "name above every other" and that is Jehovah. So if Christ has a name above every other, than means Jehovah and Jesus refer to the same being.
@@marvalice3455This is exactly the same type of disalignment Jw's & trinitarians have with Cor 1:15. In the the latter part of the verse, trinitarians think it's subordinate genitive, while Jw's think it's a partitive genitive. In many modern english translations the trinitarians would be right here linguistically, however in koine greek it's more debateable. In other ancient languages such as coptic, the Jw's would be right. One must weight probabilities, age, faithfulness, linguistics, and compatibility when analyzing scriptures. Looking at it from an open minded perspective rather than a biased indoctrinated one will take you far.
@@maciiol2 you don't know Greek. And the fact that you are appealing to a translation, and that literally everyone who speaks Coptic is a trinitarian, speaks even louder. Having an open mind brought me to the Trinity. I wasn't indoctrinated into it, I am a convert.
Really interesting and clearly put and like the modern day analogies of Batman and Superman (: Another group in contemporary culture, as well as Jehovah's and Latter Day Saints, who could be viewed as Arian, are Muslims. Hillaire Belloc writing in the early 20th century, defined Islam as a Christian heresy. A pointer from history on this would be the fact that Spain (other than Sicily) is the only major Western country in the Medieval Period to have been Islam. This occurs shortly after Spain had for centuries maintained the teachings of Arius through the Visigoths . As the video explains, many barbarians remained Arians for centuries and the Visigoths implemented Arian thinking in the country during its reign there. Hence why Fatima is a place in the former Spanish territory (now Portugal), a name derived from Islamic culture. Theologically too, Islam does not dismiss Our Saviour, but refers to Him as a prophet, not too dissimilar from Arius. My opinion is Islam grew in a part of the world (Persia) where Arianism festered and mutated for 200 years and was ripe for what occurred in the 7th century.
This isn't true: Arius believed Jesus was begotten of God, not adopted. He indeed became human and represents us by getting it right with God, hence giving us a chance to be adopted as sons as well.
@@tongakhan230 well I guess I should have told my dad I wasn't really a witness when he told me I was. I guess I should have told him all those kids at the kingdom hall hadn't "qualified" yet, so really they were the same as worldly kids. You know what _really_ stands out as fake? You asserting a party line which we both knew isn't true. You know very well that witnesses raise their children within the values and teachings of the group, and you also know that is what I mean. Don't Tell me I wasn't a real witness either, I pioneered for years.
I thought Christians did accept “degrees of divinity.” God is divine, angels are divine, Satan is divine and so are demons. Furthermore, among the angels are archangels, a degree of angelic divinity above regular angels.
@@CatholicCulturePod, I’m a Jew. So I really don’t understand Christology. However, in Judaism, God is the only divine sovereign and spirits are divine as opposed to mortal but lack sovereignty, unless you’re using the term “divine” in a specialized sense outside of the context presented in the Hebrew Bible.
The Jew is correct. Divine is godlike, celestial, etc... Deus is God in European root language such as latin, old French... A divine service. Divine angelic spirit. Divine host or chorus. Divination by observing and interpreting heavenly signs...such as the star of Moses/The Deliverer's birth.
You're conflating "divine" in a colloquial sense with divine in a strict sense. We can say an angel is "divine" colloquially, because they are more like God than we are in some ways, or because they are like pagan gods. But when we are using divine in it's proper technical sense, angels do not qualify
@@serfardiu cannot possibly defend the idea that it doesn't matter. If you don't get it that's fine. You are neither required to understand everything, nor are you entitled to under everything. And you don't get to demand others shut up about important things just because you don't get them
@marvalice3455 The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy, ",Avoid foolish arguments" not that it does not matter, but Those so called Church fathers, over analyze scripture way to often. Obviously influence by Greek Phylosophy.
The analogy on the eternality of the Father and Jesus can be likened to how Eve was brought forth or came about. We know that Eve was brought forth or taken from a rib of Adam and God made the rib a woman.. Eve, being once a rib or one of the ribs of Adam, can be or is as old as Adam ( logic: your head is as old as your eyes, hands, or in the whole body), although Eve had come out later or after Adam existed. In like manner, the word of God (Jesus) is an integral of the Father's being ( who was at the bosom of the Father), that is why, Jesus is co eternal or the same eternality of the Father just like Eve who had the same age of Adam. The Word was later on brought Forth ( begotten) before the works of old/ creation. That is why he was called as the first born, meaning - was ahead among created beings because all things created are created thru Jesus ( the Word).
A complex subject - simply presented.
One of thw ways the Church refuted Arianism was by concentrating on Mary, the mother of Jesus. She was delared to be Theotokas ("God bearer). Until Arius, not much attention was paid towrds her. At the time of Arius, Churches were built in her honor, hyms wriien in her praise and prayers such as the "Hail, Mary" were composed. As to Arius, he died on the toilet, much like Herod the Great and Elvis the King,
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Lol
Babe, wake up. A new heresy deep dive just dropped.
So Arius read the Scriptures and twisted them to his destruction. Hmmm, well there goes sola scriptura. Cheers
The Catholic Church said there were errors in the Bible so they made the pope infallible so that the church's tradition became more reliable than the Word of God. Typical catholic heresy.
I don't believe in sola scriptura because I was raised a Jehovah's witness, who are basically Arian.
LOL 😂 your ignorant understanding of Sola Scriptura.
@@marvalice3455 JWs aren't Christians.
@@marvalice3455 Not Christian.
Protestants ignore the fact that there were dozens of gospels and hundreds of epistles in circulation before the Catholic Church settled on MML&J and the rest of the New Testament in the late 4th century.
Maybe the Muslim faith got some of its’s beliefs from the priest Arius. Good information
Muhammad met an Arian monk
To be exact, Muhammed met a nestorian monk, which really boils down to meeting someone with arian beliefs
Waraqa, the monk Muhammad met via his first wife Khadija, was an Arian monk.
That's not possible, because Muslims don't believe God begot anyone or was begotten. They also don't believe in crucifixion and resurrection.
Islam is closer to Catholicism than you think. Both false religions to start with.
This is excellent! Thank you!
Awesome,you are truly a blessing
Fantastisk work, thank you! May the Lord bless you.
CORRECTION: At 23:18 the narrator says that Christ is "fully" God and "fully" man. The correct term is: TRULY man and TRULY God (vere homo vere Deus). Using the term "fully" can lead to the heresy of Nestorianism (th-cam.com/video/IbAYnW6Ax20/w-d-xo.html). In the Nestorian heresy, Jesus is believed to be two separate persons (one "fully" man, and the other "fully" God), instead of one person with two natures, as is the orthodox position. The Church, at the council of Chalcedon, developed the phrase "vere homo vere Deus" to put the final nail in the coffin of both the Monophysite heresy and the Nestorian heresy. "Vere" = "truly." In contrast, the latin world for "fully" is "plene."
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Me too
I want to start a band called Alexander and the Alexandrians. Our first and only album is to be titled "Never mind the Arians, here's the Contra Mundum".
Riveting.
Stupid people like you make others try to find ways to hide the TH-cam comments section.
Beautiful explanation. In the Philippines there is a sect named Iglesia ni Cristo who also deny the divinity of Christ, but this sect is worst as its argumentation suggests God ca not be circumcised, don’t get hungry, don’t die. Ridiculous.
I think is wrong to say a man who became God ,in all case be ( God became a man) not the other way around we never we be able to became God.plese someone explain this to me
You're right, but the title is describing the erroneous belief held by Arians.
That's the so-called Jehovah's Witness great great... great, grand_father.
Actually, we Jehovah's Witnesses don't view Arius as our forefather and we don't believe everything he taught. We discussed his views in 1984:
Historian H. M. Gwatkin states in his book The Arian Controversy: “The God of Arius is an unknown God, whose being is hidden in eternal mystery. No creature can reveal him, and he cannot reveal himself.” Arius denied that the Son could really know the Father. The Bible teaches that the Son ‘fully knows’ the Father and that the Son is “the one that has explained him.” (Matthew 11:27; John 1:14, 18) Arius claimed that the Word became God’s Son “by adoption” because of his virtue or moral integrity. The Bible says that he was Jehovah's “only-begotten son.” (John 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 1:2; Revelation 3:14) Arius taught that Christians could hope to become equal to Christ, whereas the Bible states that God gave him “the name that is above every other name.” (Philippians 2:9-11) Far from being modern-day Arians, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe what the Bible says."
@@mathnsciencewhizthere is only one "name above every other" and that is Jehovah. So if Christ has a name above every other, than means Jehovah and Jesus refer to the same being.
JWs are not Christians.
@@marvalice3455This is exactly the same type of disalignment Jw's & trinitarians have with Cor 1:15.
In the the latter part of the verse, trinitarians think it's subordinate genitive, while Jw's think it's a partitive genitive.
In many modern english translations the trinitarians would be right here linguistically, however in koine greek it's more debateable.
In other ancient languages such as coptic, the Jw's would be right.
One must weight probabilities, age, faithfulness, linguistics, and compatibility when analyzing scriptures.
Looking at it from an open minded perspective rather than a biased indoctrinated one will take you far.
@@maciiol2 you don't know Greek. And the fact that you are appealing to a translation, and that literally everyone who speaks Coptic is a trinitarian, speaks even louder.
Having an open mind brought me to the Trinity. I wasn't indoctrinated into it, I am a convert.
The Pope's legate chaired the Council of Nicea and began proceedings by reading a papal letter.
Thats what the JWs teach now .
Really interesting and clearly put and like the modern day analogies of Batman and Superman (:
Another group in contemporary culture, as well as Jehovah's and Latter Day Saints, who could be viewed as Arian, are Muslims. Hillaire Belloc writing in the early 20th century, defined Islam as a Christian heresy. A pointer from history on this would be the fact that Spain (other than Sicily) is the only major Western country in the Medieval Period to have been Islam. This occurs shortly after Spain had for centuries maintained the teachings of Arius through the Visigoths . As the video explains, many barbarians remained Arians for centuries and the Visigoths implemented Arian thinking in the country during its reign there. Hence why Fatima is a place in the former Spanish territory (now Portugal), a name derived from Islamic culture.
Theologically too, Islam does not dismiss Our Saviour, but refers to Him as a prophet, not too dissimilar from Arius. My opinion is Islam grew in a part of the world (Persia) where Arianism festered and mutated for 200 years and was ripe for what occurred in the 7th century.
You're assuming that the Pope did not attend Nicea because Arianism was not important in the West. In fact, he thought it improper to leave Rome.
This isn't true: Arius believed Jesus was begotten of God, not adopted. He indeed became human and represents us by getting it right with God, hence giving us a chance to be adopted as sons as well.
Na !!! In Arius's view, the Son has an inferior Divinity than the Father.
This was extremely trippy hearing about after growing up a Jehovah's witness
I grew up a JW too! I am a grateful Catholic today.
No one grows up a JW.
@@tongakhan230 I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean
@@marvalice3455 : People qualify to become a JW. No one grows up as one.
That is how fake claims stand out.
@@tongakhan230 well I guess I should have told my dad I wasn't really a witness when he told me I was.
I guess I should have told him all those kids at the kingdom hall hadn't "qualified" yet, so really they were the same as worldly kids.
You know what _really_ stands out as fake? You asserting a party line which we both knew isn't true. You know very well that witnesses raise their children within the values and teachings of the group, and you also know that is what I mean.
Don't Tell me I wasn't a real witness either, I pioneered for years.
I don't even believe. Why am I so interested in this?
Finding Christian Arianism within the Quran. th-cam.com/video/H7GexaEphQg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=p_jQ0ytcXeK0Cp
I thought Christians did accept “degrees of divinity.” God is divine, angels are divine, Satan is divine and so are demons. Furthermore, among the angels are archangels, a degree of angelic divinity above regular angels.
Only God is divine, not angels. But perhaps you mean that there is a hierarchy of pure spirits, and that is true.
@@CatholicCulturePod, I’m a Jew. So I really don’t understand Christology. However, in Judaism, God is the only divine sovereign and spirits are divine as opposed to mortal but lack sovereignty, unless you’re using the term “divine” in a specialized sense outside of the context presented in the Hebrew Bible.
The Jew is correct. Divine is godlike, celestial, etc... Deus is God in European root language such as latin, old French...
A divine service. Divine angelic spirit. Divine host or chorus. Divination by observing and interpreting heavenly signs...such as the star of Moses/The Deliverer's birth.
You're conflating "divine" in a colloquial sense with divine in a strict sense.
We can say an angel is "divine" colloquially, because they are more like God than we are in some ways, or because they are like pagan gods. But when we are using divine in it's proper technical sense, angels do not qualify
@@antonioreid534yeah, the vid maker using "judeo-christian" was silly but it's a common mistake.
What diffrence does it make. Jesus was our Redeemer, period. He had a mission and he completed it.
What difference does it make? Because whether Jesus could be our Redeemer or not precisely depends on His nature and origin.
@CatholicCulturePod NO it does not.
@@serfardiu cannot possibly defend the idea that it doesn't matter.
If you don't get it that's fine. You are neither required to understand everything, nor are you entitled to under everything. And you don't get to demand others shut up about important things just because you don't get them
@marvalice3455 The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy, ",Avoid foolish arguments" not that it does not matter, but Those so called Church fathers, over analyze scripture way to often. Obviously influence by Greek Phylosophy.
@@serfardi stay Ariun: Constantine!!!
The analogy on the eternality of the Father and Jesus can be likened to how Eve was brought forth or came about. We know that Eve was brought forth or taken from a rib of Adam and God made the rib a woman.. Eve, being once a rib or one of the ribs of Adam, can be or is as old as Adam ( logic: your head is as old as your eyes, hands, or in the whole body), although Eve had come out later or after Adam existed. In like manner, the word of God (Jesus) is an integral of the Father's being ( who was at the bosom of the Father), that is why, Jesus is co eternal or the same eternality of the Father just like Eve who had the same age of Adam. The Word was later on brought Forth ( begotten) before the works of old/ creation. That is why he was called as the first born, meaning - was ahead among created beings because all things created are created thru Jesus ( the Word).