4.11 The Heresies - Arianism: A Man Who Became a God | Way of the Fathers

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  • Arianism was the fourth century evolution of adoptionism, in which Arius made a concession to the mainstream by accepting a quasi-divinity in Jesus Christ. But this was an acquired divinity, an earned divinity, and a divinity that was less than that of the Father. The controversy led to the first worldwide (ecumenical) council of bishops, the Council of Nicaea, in the year 325 AD, and it ultimately led to the crafting of the Nicene Creed, as the Church’s definitive statement of orthodox faith.
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  • @marvalice3455
    @marvalice3455 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This was extremely trippy hearing about after growing up a Jehovah's witness

  • @dgolden_VCR
    @dgolden_VCR 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is excellent! Thank you!

  • @josephjude1290
    @josephjude1290 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Maybe the Muslim faith got some of its’s beliefs from the priest Arius. Good information

    • @handel1111
      @handel1111 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Muhammad met an Arian monk

    • @user-sq8zi9wb9k
      @user-sq8zi9wb9k 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      To be exact, Muhammed met a nestorian monk, which really boils down to meeting someone with arian beliefs

    • @kevinjanghj
      @kevinjanghj 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Waraqa, the monk Muhammad met via his first wife Khadija, was an Arian monk.

    • @atomnous
      @atomnous 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's not possible, because Muslims don't believe God begot anyone or was begotten. They also don't believe in crucifixion and resurrection.

    • @johnbrowne2170
      @johnbrowne2170 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Islam is closer to Catholicism than you think. Both false religions to start with.

  • @fantasia55
    @fantasia55 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Pope's legate chaired the Council of Nicea and began proceedings by reading a papal letter.

  • @arielwertlen6709
    @arielwertlen6709 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Babe, wake up. A new heresy deep dive just dropped.

  • @Monkofmagnesia
    @Monkofmagnesia 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    One of thw ways the Church refuted Arianism was by concentrating on Mary, the mother of Jesus. She was delared to be Theotokas ("God bearer). Until Arius, not much attention was paid towrds her. At the time of Arius, Churches were built in her honor, hyms wriien in her praise and prayers such as the "Hail, Mary" were composed. As to Arius, he died on the toilet, much like Herod the Great and Elvis the King,

    • @wungabunga
      @wungabunga 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ThangUveryMuch.

  • @fantasia55
    @fantasia55 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You're assuming that the Pope did not attend Nicea because Arianism was not important in the West. In fact, he thought it improper to leave Rome.

  • @viz8746
    @viz8746 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I want to start a band called Alexander and the Alexandrians. Our first and only album is to be titled "Never mind the Arians, here's the Contra Mundum".

    • @EsseQuamViderity
      @EsseQuamViderity 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Riveting.

    • @user-xk1bv8yz7o
      @user-xk1bv8yz7o 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Stupid people like you make others try to find ways to hide the TH-cam comments section.

  • @MainframeCobol
    @MainframeCobol 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    So Arius read the Scriptures and twisted them to his destruction. Hmmm, well there goes sola scriptura. Cheers

    • @johnbrowne2170
      @johnbrowne2170 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Catholic Church said there were errors in the Bible so they made the pope infallible so that the church's tradition became more reliable than the Word of God. Typical catholic heresy.

    • @marvalice3455
      @marvalice3455 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't believe in sola scriptura because I was raised a Jehovah's witness, who are basically Arian.

    • @davidjanbaz7728
      @davidjanbaz7728 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      LOL 😂 your ignorant understanding of Sola Scriptura.

    • @johnbrowne2170
      @johnbrowne2170 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@marvalice3455 JWs aren't Christians.

    • @johnbrowne2170
      @johnbrowne2170 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@marvalice3455 Not Christian.

  • @ChristianOrthodoxy
    @ChristianOrthodoxy 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    That's the so-called Jehovah's Witness great great... great, grand_father.

    • @mathnsciencewhiz
      @mathnsciencewhiz 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Actually, we Jehovah's Witnesses don't view Arius as our forefather and we don't believe everything he taught. We discussed his views in 1984:
      Historian H. M. Gwatkin states in his book The Arian Controversy: “The God of Arius is an unknown God, whose being is hidden in eternal mystery. No creature can reveal him, and he cannot reveal himself.” Arius denied that the Son could really know the Father. The Bible teaches that the Son ‘fully knows’ the Father and that the Son is “the one that has explained him.” (Matthew 11:27; John 1:14, 18) Arius claimed that the Word became God’s Son “by adoption” because of his virtue or moral integrity. The Bible says that he was Jehovah's “only-begotten son.” (John 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 1:2; Revelation 3:14) Arius taught that Christians could hope to become equal to Christ, whereas the Bible states that God gave him “the name that is above every other name.” (Philippians 2:9-11) Far from being modern-day Arians, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe what the Bible says."

    • @marvalice3455
      @marvalice3455 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@mathnsciencewhizthere is only one "name above every other" and that is Jehovah. So if Christ has a name above every other, than means Jehovah and Jesus refer to the same being.

    • @johnbrowne2170
      @johnbrowne2170 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      JWs are not Christians.

  • @gabrielperera9814
    @gabrielperera9814 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think is wrong to say a man who became God ,in all case be ( God became a man) not the other way around we never we be able to became God.plese someone explain this to me

    • @CatholicCulturePod
      @CatholicCulturePod  28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      You're right, but the title is describing the erroneous belief held by Arians.

  • @atomnous
    @atomnous 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This isn't true: Arius believed Jesus was begotten of God, not adopted. He indeed became human and represents us by getting it right with God, hence giving us a chance to be adopted as sons as well.

    • @davidjanbaz7728
      @davidjanbaz7728 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Na !!! In Arius's view, the Son has an inferior Divinity than the Father.

  • @antonioreid534
    @antonioreid534 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I thought Christians did accept “degrees of divinity.” God is divine, angels are divine, Satan is divine and so are demons. Furthermore, among the angels are archangels, a degree of angelic divinity above regular angels.

    • @CatholicCulturePod
      @CatholicCulturePod  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Only God is divine, not angels. But perhaps you mean that there is a hierarchy of pure spirits, and that is true.

    • @antonioreid534
      @antonioreid534 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@CatholicCulturePod, I’m a Jew. So I really don’t understand Christology. However, in Judaism, God is the only divine sovereign and spirits are divine as opposed to mortal but lack sovereignty, unless you’re using the term “divine” in a specialized sense outside of the context presented in the Hebrew Bible.

    • @STho205
      @STho205 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Jew is correct. Divine is godlike, celestial, etc... Deus is God in European root language such as latin, old French...
      A divine service. Divine angelic spirit. Divine host or chorus. Divination by observing and interpreting heavenly signs...such as the star of Moses/The Deliverer's birth.

    • @marvalice3455
      @marvalice3455 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're conflating "divine" in a colloquial sense with divine in a strict sense.
      We can say an angel is "divine" colloquially, because they are more like God than we are in some ways, or because they are like pagan gods. But when we are using divine in it's proper technical sense, angels do not qualify

    • @marvalice3455
      @marvalice3455 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@antonioreid534yeah, the vid maker using "judeo-christian" was silly but it's a common mistake.

  • @serfardi
    @serfardi 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What diffrence does it make. Jesus was our Redeemer, period. He had a mission and he completed it.

    • @CatholicCulturePod
      @CatholicCulturePod  22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What difference does it make? Because whether Jesus could be our Redeemer or not precisely depends on His nature and origin.

    • @serfardi
      @serfardi 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @CatholicCulturePod NO it does not.

    • @marvalice3455
      @marvalice3455 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@serfardiu cannot possibly defend the idea that it doesn't matter.
      If you don't get it that's fine. You are neither required to understand everything, nor are you entitled to under everything. And you don't get to demand others shut up about important things just because you don't get them

    • @serfardi
      @serfardi 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @marvalice3455 The Apostle Paul wrote to Timothy, ",Avoid foolish arguments" not that it does not matter, but Those so called Church fathers, over analyze scripture way to often. Obviously influence by Greek Phylosophy.

    • @davidjanbaz7728
      @davidjanbaz7728 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@serfardi stay Ariun: Constantine!!!

  • @pdub69triniboy
    @pdub69triniboy 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I love this channel ❤

    • @trnslash
      @trnslash 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Me too