In this video I compare the following attributes of these mixers: 02:18 Price 03:09 Release date 04:29 Number of input channels 07:50 Input channel configuration 12:05 EQ section 12:51 Number of aux sends 15:29 ON vs. MUTE switches 16:57 Pre-Fade Listen (PFL) function 18:34 Onboard graphic EQ (Mackie only) 19:18 Onboard effects (FX) processor 20:40 USB Audio Interface 23:27 Studio Monitor Output (Yamaha Only) 25:29 Internal vs. External power supply 27:26 Aesthetics and Ergonomics
Hello sir, thank you for your videos. Please sir, can electrical power cause phasing issues in sound particularly when power source is from a powerf generator. Also sir, what can be done to correct it.
I've never watched such a perfect review/presentation/class! I didn't even checked what are the other videos of your channel, but i've just subscribed. Thank you, Bruno!
What a pleasant way of explaining the subject. I did not feel that it took more than 30 minutes without fast forwarding because the way you explained is 1. Crisp, 2. To the point, 3. Informative 4. Complete and need not look for anything elsewhere. Thanks brother. You are very good teacher.
You did a wonderful job describing these two mixers. You voice is clear and not monotone which allows the listerner to NOT have his/her mind wander .... excellent video and thank you.
Man! This Guy is brilliant. I would strongly urge ANYONE considering buying Studio/PA equipment to check his content out. He makes you think about things which you wouldn't even have normally considered... Fantastic, informative content!
I am going thru options for a smaller home mixer with faders and USB support at the moment. This video is really turning out to be a gold mine. Well done Bruno, as always.
Ended up pulling the trigger on the Yamaha MG10XUF afternoon and so far am loving it. It has a couple of quirks, but every piece of kit has those so I'm sure I'll get used to it. Thanks Bruno.
Always a brilliant presenter. If I were a manufacturer, I would choose you because your clarity and deliberateness are ideal for non-native speakers whilst discussions are well-paced for native speakers in that one can glean your points at once. Cheers!
Thank you!!! Perfect timing as I'm looking to upgrade my analog to usb for playing live online. I had no idea there were so many differences. With both eyes open now, I'm going to have a more difficult time deciding Lol.
You're welcome Jurni, that was exactly why I made this video 😊👍🏻 At the end of the day there is no perfect mixer, but at least now you'll be able to pick the one that best suits your needs.
@@GLBProductions Sweden has been hit harder than neighboring countries by covid 19, hoping it will fix soon. It seems to be a strange disease, it affects so different. Some barely notice it, while others are severely tormented. Take care.
Good to see you Bruno. I purchased that same Mackie mixer last November. I'm satisfied with it. I love the way you break things down. I didn't remember if the Yamaha had the pan feature. I have learned so much from you. Hope to see more Videos from you. Thanks so much.
As always well presented and helps us take into consideration what to choose in anything we go for. Also great to hear Rane mentioned. I have the TTM56 mixer which uses the “line lump”. It’s a very good sounding DJ mixer that I have had since 2005 or so! Yes, and a pain in the ass when I had to travel Europe and America with it coming from the UK!
Thanks for showing close functions/button while you were talking about them, it makes it easy to understand and remember. Very nice video with good pause to understand/remember what you say, and full of knowledge. Thanks and please keep it up.
Your videos are EXCELLENT! Learning so much. Purchased MG10XUF for mobile/club DJ work. Excellent choice. Run 2-3 mics and Pioneer DJ controller thru MG10XUF then to powered speaker/sub mains. Much cleaner sound, especially mics. Use controller for headphones but need separate monitor speakers during mixes. Contacted Yamaha about using monitor out for 2 powered speakers. They said it's fine for my situation.
Thank you Bruno for a wonderful & comprehensive explanation of these 2 mixers. I'm just learning about these things, so your clear and articulate way of presenting info is wonderful. Cheers from the land downunder!
Thank you so much for the patiently, clear and detailed explanations about these two mixers. I am as well planning to buy a mixer of these price categories for hobby recordings and for karaoke singing when my friends come to visit our family during some special gatherings like birthdays etc. Again, many thanks and keep safe and healthy always, Sir!
brililiant explanations and comparions, thorough and detailed. so are the mg12xu tutorials. learned a lot on products and thought process. great job! thank you.
Sorry Mr.Goh, the MGXUF mixer, on CH 5-6 7-8 9-10 Stereo UnBal Line inputs via TS and/or RCA does Not have the provisions for any Gain Knob adjustment or even a Gain Selector switch??
Good video i have A question,what is the main difference between the MG10XUF and the MG12UX beside the extra 2 channel of the MG12XU,they look very Much the same and i plan of getting one,if i get the MG10XUF will i be loosing option over the MG12XU ,i want to decide which one should i get thank you
I have the Mackie 16x4 V2. I like it because I can run my RC300 looper in stereo from the L & R monitor send to aux returns or back to channels 15 & 16 & use the tone knobs. Many options.
Bruno Luz, Thank you so much for the amazing videos and information you share. You saved my gig years ago on advice how to connect passive speakers to powered subs and amp. Thanks a lot for that
I have used iterations of both mixers. I have used the Yamaha MG10FX with rotary knobs and I presently own the Mackie ProFX8. The main reason I own the Mackie is that I found a stupidly good deal on one used. I have used it live a little, but I use it mainly as a personal rehearsal workstation with headphones. I love my Mackie and it does a great job, however, it must be said that the FX in the Yamaha series is far superior in the way that they sound. There are more options, and of them, I can find one that works rather well in the way the parameters sound. The Mackie presets are passable, but I cannot find one in the 16 offered that seems just right. It always seems like a compromise regarding the parameters. I also miss compression for the vox channels, although the Yamaha built-in compressors are nothing to write home about. I have recorded with the Yamaha and the external power supply is very quiet. The external brick power supply is a drag live, but the proprietory plug is pretty rugged. It never failed, but it made me nervous that it was a proprietory. The Mackie is a standard IEC power cord. I always have a spare for live work which gives you peace of mind. I love the features of my Mackie, but I always felt the Yamaha little more hi-fi, but nothing to a level that it was a deal-breaker. The bottom line is I very much prefer the Yahama built-in FX settings hands down.
Thanks for the comment 😀 Yamaha have a long history of making outboard effects units for the pro audio industry so it would make sense that their onboard effects sound better.
Hi - I'm looking at the Yamaha MG10XUF. I have a pair of studio monitors on my desk. My purpose is to do livestreams via zoom so I need the USB return channel (which I see it has) to hear my students. However, if the monitors are plugged into the stereo monitor outs, how do I stop my live microphone from coming through the monitors creating feedback and just to the USB out? I would like to keep the main XLR outs free for recording audio. Thank you. Peter.
That is not actually possible on the MG10XUF - the inputs are permanently routed to the stereo outputs. The way around this is to use headphones instead of monitors.
@@GLBProductions Thank you very much for this valuable information. - just out of interest, the MG12XUF has some additional routing features. Would that work?
You're welcome Peter. I assume you mean the MG12XU? Yes it does - you would need to monitor off the group outputs, since the routing to the USB output is fixed, the same as on the MG10XUF. In my opinion these mixers are not ideal for live streaming - the USB output is quite limited in its functionality and designed more for utility recording, music playback etc.
hey Bruno 😀 would you recommend the Mackie ProFX22v3 22-channel or the Yamaha MG20XU 20-channel Mixer it would be used for church? i would appreciate your feedback
They are both good entry level mixers - sound and features are quite similar. Your decision in this case would come down to availability, pricing and after sales support in your region, particularly the ability of the supplier to provide training on the new mixer.
At one point you said that monitor out is stereo version of headphone out(yamaha mixer).Is headphone out on that mixer mono or stereo out and is he have all off chanel sounds and effects?
Yes that could be misleading - what I meant to say is that the output is presented on two separate connectors as opposed to a single TRS connector. Headphone out is stereo - I don't know of any current production stereo mixers with mono-only headphone outputs. And yes you can hear all channels and FX in the headphones if you want to.
If I send a sine wave through a mic and raise the input gain and level, so that the MG10XU's meter is reading a steady -6dB, does it send that same level signal out through the usb port? I've noticed that if I record audio into my DAW, that the pre-fader metering on that channel strip (with no plugins) shows a much lower signal of around -21 dB. Any idea as to why the discrepancy between the two meters?
Great question Gregg! The reason is that the physical meters on the mixer read in dBu whereas the meters in your DAW read in dBFS, so you need to convert one to the other. Depending on which standard you use (SMPTE or EBU) -6dBu is around -24dBFS. Yamaha do not publish which standard they use, nor do they indicate the output level of the USB bus for a given analog meter reading.
Correct! Just remember that once you clip the AD converter the audio is ruined - I would recommend recording at a lower level (peaks no higher than -12dBFS) and then bringing it up in editing.
You're welcome TY. Mixers designed for live sound and recording tend to be rather different - I'm not a recording engineer so can't comment on the latter. For live sound, in my opinion, the ultimate compact analog mixer would be the Midas Venice series, now discontinued. It was amazing how much functionality they managed to pack into that small chassis!
Hello ! Thank you for the information! Of course, my comparaison and indecisiveness is with the : Mackie profx10v3 , Which to me, is an relatable 10 chanel comparison and equal effects. I just can't decide I require sound quality , many on board effects and manly live music May I ask your opinion ?
Which mixer would you recommend for home karaoke use? Yamaha MG10XUF or Mackie PROFX10V3 along with an additional DBX 31 band equalizer. Thanks in advance
While it isn't possible to adjust the FX sent to the monitor with the Yamaha, does the FX sound still come through as per how the FX are sent to the main mix? Or do you just hear the dry sound?
I live in the US and when I was looking for mixers 2 years ago, I never saw the Yamaha mg10xuf model for sale, and today I can only find one vendor in the US. Even the Yamaha US site doesn't carry the manual for it, though it is available on the Japanese site. So, I bought the MG12XU, which is similar to the MG10XUF. The mg10xu doesn't have PFL so I ruled it out.
The MG12XU is a more capable mixer and remedies the main shortcoming of the MG10XUF - the external power supply. Of course it's bigger, heavier and more expensive but that's how these things go. Thanks for watching!
I am very new to the world of mixers...I just got an Allen & Heath ZEDi-10 Mixer...I am thinking of sending it back for the Yamaha....I will be using it for my main interface and recording...The ZEDi is a 4x4 multitrack interface...which I like...but no faders,and USB routing doesn’t seem as comprehensive as the Yamaha....What is your opinion on the ZEDi 10??Are you familiar with this mixer?.....
Hi Scott, the ZEDi-10 is designed specifically for a computer recording environment - with a 4x4 USB interface it can record individual channels to your DAW, unlike most mixers in this class which are only 2x2. Having said that if you are coming from a hardware-based recording system you may be more comfortable with the Yamaha.
Yes, that's why it's so important to educate yourself about the various features so that you can make an informed decision based on your specific needs and requirements 😄
Brilliant as usual. Such clear teaching. wish I watched this vid 4 months ago, ended up getting an Allen Heath Zed 10fx, can’t remember exactly but found 5 design flaws, one of which was the proud 48v condenser mic button. Ouch, not sure if I did any damage, speakers didn’t sound too impressed.
Thanks for watching Stephen. If you look carefully you'll notice that the phantom power button sticks up on all of them... Hitting it accidentally during use is generally not a problem for the speakers - what can be a problem is plugging and unplugging mics with the phantom power on and the channel unmuted - that bang can damage stuff if you're not careful!
GLB Productions - thanks for replying 😊 crazy design, I might put a plastic tube there, to eliminate potential accidents. When buying, I was guilty of brand name purchasing. The parameters where: compact, quality, Fx, 3 band EQ on stereo inputs. The FX select is a fiddly design, perhaps LEDs are more reliable or cheaper then a digital readout. There were other niggles, but would have to set it up to find them. I’ve learned loads from you, TH-cam should use your teaching techniques as an example for others. I have very low concentration levels, so any fluff, background music etc. and I’m lost. Dave Rat has an excellent channel too for audiophiles. He breaks down differences in equipment with spectrum analysers etc. Well worth a look if you haven’t already 😊
Thanks Stephen - very glad the videos have been helpful! As I mentioned to another viewer there is no perfect mixer design - what suits one person will invariably not suit another. However this also means that there are a wide variety of designs to choose from. The A&H is a great choice and has the best build quality in this class bar none - ONLY A&H use nutted pots and individual vertical circuit boards for each channel at this price point. Of course there are the issues you note above 🙄 Oh yes - Dave Rat is a legend in the live sound community, and it's so great that he's on YT as well!
GLB Productions - that’s very reassuring to hear. True, it’s all a compromise. I had a feeling I’d be preaching to the converted, regarding Dave Rat, lol. 😊
I love the video but I have a doubt. Is the fx send on the Yamaha stereo? I have it and I was planning on connecting my monitors to fx send to not send my mic to my speakers and still have the channel on
Hi, can you explain please how to use the SEND connection on the Yamaha mixer? I see there is no RETURN input, so do I use a dedicated channel or something else should be done? Need to use an external fx for recording. Thanks!
Take a look at my tutorial series on the MG12XU for more details: th-cam.com/video/J_yOvdlMUAg/w-d-xo.html In short it functions like a post-fade auxiliary send - if you are using an external FX unit you would return to one of the stereo channels. Thanks for watching!
Hi ! @ T. I. N Mateus were you able to use external effects processor with YAMAHA MG10XU ? If yes could you please let me know how you did? Thanks so much.
Very hard to say - it depends not just on the version of windows but also the configuration of the specific computer. With Windows 10 I have never found a computer that fails to connect, although sometimes you need to download and install the MG series driver from the Yamaha website.
Hello sir..nice video you are made it...i have one question, i want to upgrade my mixer up to more channel such as 22 or 24 or more channels...which mixer of both mixer i can choose? I have a job next month to do live performances...tq sir
So glad I eeny with the mackie. I bought a used yamaha years ago and the build quality was shit with shorts, channels that cut out touching unrelated buttons. The mackie is built like a tank and sounds great so I even went back from profx12 to a 24 channel vlz. It does everything I need to record at home.
Yes I have heard similar reports - however the build quality of these consoles today is very similar as they are both made overseas in China or Indonesia.
Pregunta: ¿Por qué razón en el ecualizador de los canales estéreo, Yamaha elimina la banda de frecuencias medias? Esto se ve en todas sus mezcladoras, o al menos en todas las de la serie MG. Saludos.
Estos cambios generalmente tienen que ver con la reducción de costos, la misma razón por la que eliminaron los puntos de inserción analógicos en la última generación de la serie MG 😉
At this price point there is very little difference in the way consoles sound 😄 I would say the difference in sound if any is subjective - to my ear the Mackie sounds a tiny bit warmer and the Yamaha a tiny bit brighter, but this is insignificant when you factor in the sound of the microphone being used.
Hello Bruno, thank you for your videos they're great! I'm about to get my first usb mixer in this range but I can't decide between the Mackie's profx10v3, the Yamaha's mg10xuf and the A&H Zedi10fx, they are very similar but with some distinct features. I'm going to use it mostly for small ensembles and soloists recording, online music classes and occasional live performances... Would you recommend one over the others? Best regards!
Hello Carlos! Some factors to consider: if you need faders, go with the Yamaha. If you need 1/4" outputs, the A&H is out. If you need a 4x4 USB interface to record individual channels to your DAW, go with the A&H. If you need analog insert points, go with the Mackie. If you need onboard compression, the A&H is out. The A&H has the best build quality in my opinion and is the only one with an onboard power supply. The A&H has PFL buttons, the Mackie has mute buttons, the Yamaha has both. Hope this helps you make a decision 😊
@@GLBProductions Thank you very much for your reply, my dilemma comes because of the Yamaha's PFL, -26db and on/off switches and faders, the Mackie's hi-z and mute switches, inserts and 0 latency blend knob, and A&H's 4x4 usb interface capability, 2 hi-z, 2 -20db and PFL switches and as you said, the better build quality reputation it has. I'm not sure if with the Yamaha's and A&H's is also possible to get 0 latency monitoring, I think it would be a great feature for overdubbing but as I'm a complete beginner in these matters I'm not sure about pretty much anything hehe... Thank you again for your videos, are very instructional and clear!
Yes - that's why it's so important to know what your priorities are. For me as live sound engineer I absolutely must have PFL and mute switches, so I would always choose the Yamaha. Hopefully you will be able to identify a similar feature which is only found on one of these mixers. All the best!
@@GLBProductions Hello Bruno, I went for the Soundcraft Signature 10, it was a very hard choice to make, every mixer has it's pros and cons but I got a very fine deal with it. I hope it was a wise decision, what do you think about that mixer? also it would be great to see a video of you reviewing it... Best regards!
thank you for the video! So, I have a question, if I have my monitors connected, but also I want to do some pre listening of a channel, when I turn the knob of the monitor/phone, both volumes will change? there is a wa y to control separately the volume of the monitors and the volume of the phone (pre listening). Thank you!
I assume you mean the MG10XUF 😉 On that mixer there is no way to control the level of the monitor/phones outputs separately. If you need separate control you would need to use the volume on your monitor speakers/amplifier.
That is subjective Bob - in my opinion mixers in this price range sound pretty much the same: clean & utilitarian but without much character. The Mackie might be slightly warmer than the Yamaha.
In this video I compare the following attributes of these mixers:
02:18 Price
03:09 Release date
04:29 Number of input channels
07:50 Input channel configuration
12:05 EQ section
12:51 Number of aux sends
15:29 ON vs. MUTE switches
16:57 Pre-Fade Listen (PFL) function
18:34 Onboard graphic EQ (Mackie only)
19:18 Onboard effects (FX) processor
20:40 USB Audio Interface
23:27 Studio Monitor Output (Yamaha Only)
25:29 Internal vs. External power supply
27:26 Aesthetics and Ergonomics
Thanks sir..
Very informative 🎚✌🏼
Hello sir, thank you for your videos. Please sir, can electrical power cause phasing issues in sound particularly when power source is from a powerf generator. Also sir, what can be done to correct it.
Great. And not only to compare those two but also to point out the pros and cons of any mixers for a specific use. Bravo
Thanks for watching!
I've never watched such a perfect review/presentation/class!
I didn't even checked what are the other videos of your channel, but i've just subscribed.
Thank you, Bruno!
You're welcome Cassio, and welcome to the channel 😊
What a pleasant way of explaining the subject. I did not feel that it took more than 30 minutes without fast forwarding because the way you explained is 1. Crisp, 2. To the point, 3. Informative 4. Complete and need not look for anything elsewhere. Thanks brother. You are very good teacher.
You're most welcome Preetam, thanks for watching and commenting!
Thank you Sir.
Your presentation was very professional and extremely helpful. Money couldn't pay for a better tutorial. 😎👍
You're most welcome Roger, I'm so glad the video was helpful 😊
You did a wonderful job describing these two mixers. You voice is clear and not monotone which allows the listerner to NOT have his/her mind wander .... excellent video and thank you.
You're welcome Mike and thank you for watching!
I learned about so many mixer features, functions, and considerations. So happy to learn from you again Bruno.
You're welcome Liko, thanks for your support!
Man! This Guy is brilliant. I would strongly urge ANYONE considering buying Studio/PA equipment to check his content out.
He makes you think about things which you wouldn't even have normally considered... Fantastic, informative content!
Thanks for watching Gordon!
I am going thru options for a smaller home mixer with faders and USB support at the moment. This video is really turning out to be a gold mine. Well done Bruno, as always.
Ended up pulling the trigger on the Yamaha MG10XUF afternoon and so far am loving it. It has a couple of quirks, but every piece of kit has those so I'm sure I'll get used to it. Thanks Bruno.
That's great - exactly why I made the video in the first place. Enjoy your new mixer! 😊
Always a brilliant presenter. If I were a manufacturer, I would choose you because your clarity and deliberateness are ideal for non-native speakers whilst discussions are well-paced for native speakers in that one can glean your points at once.
Cheers!
Thanks Alsa, much appreciated :)
GLB Productions Your genuineness is writ large on all your work. Sometimes a kind word makes all the difference. I know.
Good to see you again buddy! You’re the best. Thank you. Cheers!
You're welcome Mike, thanks for watching!
Thank you!!! Perfect timing as I'm looking to upgrade my analog to usb for playing live online. I had no idea there were so many differences. With both eyes open now, I'm going to have a more difficult time deciding Lol.
You're welcome Jurni, that was exactly why I made this video 😊👍🏻 At the end of the day there is no perfect mixer, but at least now you'll be able to pick the one that best suits your needs.
Very concisely explained, with utter clarity. You're a damn good speaker/teacher. Cheers!
You're most welcome.
I ordered the UF the other day, really like your comprehensive review !
Thanks for watching, enjoy your new mixer 😊
Definitely watching it as soon as I get home. Again thank you and I'll keep making suggestions.
A really interesting comparison between two good mixer tables. You also explain very well so I really look forward to every new movie. Thanks so much.
Thank you my friend from Sweden! Hope all is well in your part of the world :)
@@GLBProductions Sweden has been hit harder than neighboring countries by covid 19, hoping it will fix soon. It seems to be a strange disease, it affects so different. Some barely notice it, while others are severely tormented. Take care.
@@GLBProductions I really like the PFL buttons, they allow great opportunities for control.
Yes for me mixing without PFL buttons is like driving with one eye covered... Indeed we live in strange times. You take care too!
Excellent video for a musician who is learning the ins and outs of mixing. Thank you!
You're welcome :)
Good to see you Bruno. I purchased that same Mackie mixer last November. I'm satisfied with it. I love the way you break things down. I didn't remember if the Yamaha had the pan feature. I have learned so much from you. Hope to see more Videos from you. Thanks so much.
Thanks Darrell, glad the video was helpful. Yes the Yamaha also has the pan feature :)
After long time....❤️❤️❤️
The most comprehensive video I have seen on this subject excellent content very professional. You have a new subscriber
Thanks for watching and welcome to the channel!
Gotta make sure I liked before I watch
Very kind of you :)
I own this exact Yamaha mixer and bought specially because of faders and on off option. Very good overall explanation, thank you!
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
As always well presented and helps us take into consideration what to choose in anything we go for. Also great to hear Rane mentioned. I have the TTM56 mixer which uses the “line lump”. It’s a very good sounding DJ mixer that I have had since 2005 or so!
Yes, and a pain in the ass when I had to travel Europe and America with it coming from the UK!
Thanks for watching 😄
Thanks for showing close functions/button while you were talking about them, it makes it easy to understand and remember. Very nice video with good pause to understand/remember what you say, and full of knowledge. Thanks and please keep it up.
Thanks for watching!
Your videos are EXCELLENT! Learning so much. Purchased MG10XUF for mobile/club DJ work. Excellent choice. Run 2-3 mics and Pioneer DJ controller thru MG10XUF then to powered speaker/sub mains. Much cleaner sound, especially mics. Use controller for headphones but need separate monitor speakers during mixes. Contacted Yamaha about using monitor out for 2 powered speakers. They said it's fine for my situation.
Awesome, thank you!
As usual, this was very well done. Next, I need to find a video that specifically addresses the use of the output features.
You always gave your very best in your videos. Thanks!
You're welcome Jeff, thanks for watching!
Thank you Bruno for a wonderful & comprehensive explanation of these 2 mixers. I'm just learning about these things, so your clear and articulate way of presenting info is wonderful. Cheers from the land downunder!
You're welcome Geoff, thanks for watching and feel free to ask any follow up questions you might have 😊
Hi Bruno, great to see your notifications again haha
Thanks Shawn! I've been so busy producing videos for my church cos of the CB that I haven't had time to do much TH-cam.
I have learned by watching the video that I can make it work beautiful
Thank you so much for the patiently, clear and detailed explanations about these two mixers. I am as well planning to buy a mixer of these price categories for hobby recordings and for karaoke singing when my friends come to visit our family during some special gatherings like birthdays etc. Again, many thanks and keep safe and healthy always, Sir!
You're welcome Lynn, thanks for watching!
After your review on yamaha mg 20 xu i decided that i purchased yamaha mg 16 xu on February 2020
Good choice, hope that's working out for you :)
Top job Bruno! Very helpful, thank you
Thanks Rob, glad the video was helpful.
Great video .. Thank you so much. It is very instructive ..
You're welcome Dan, thanks for watching!
Thx man I learn a lot with your vid...keep it coming with other equipment!
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
thank you for all your videos.
You're welcome Alberto!
I love all your videos!!!
Thanks RK!
brililiant explanations and comparions, thorough and detailed. so are the mg12xu tutorials. learned a lot on products and thought process. great job! thank you.
Thanks for watching Shawn, glad the videos have been helpful :)
Thank you so much for the review and comparison As always very thorough.
You're welcome Alan, thanks for watching 😊
Sorry Mr.Goh, the MGXUF mixer,
on CH 5-6 7-8 9-10
Stereo UnBal Line inputs
via TS and/or RCA
does Not have the provisions for any Gain Knob adjustment or even a Gain Selector switch??
Correct, input gain is fixed on these channels.
Thank you. I have never heard such a detailed explanation of a mixer before....🙏
You're welcome Chris!
Good video i have A question,what is the main difference between the MG10XUF and the MG12UX beside the extra 2 channel of the MG12XU,they look very Much the same and i plan of getting one,if i get the MG10XUF will i be loosing option over the MG12XU ,i want to decide which one should i get thank you
There are significant differences between these two consoles: the MG12XU has an internal power supply, two aux sends and two subgroups.
@@GLBProductions thanks for the reply
Thanks a lot for the wonderful and detailed review
You're most welcome.
Excellent review/ comparison! In my opinion, Yamaha wins!
I have the Mackie 16x4 V2. I like it because I can run my RC300 looper in stereo from the L & R monitor send to aux returns or back to channels 15 & 16 & use the tone knobs. Many options.
Interesting … I have a looper as well … so how do you have your set up if you don’t mind me asking?
Bruno Luz, Thank you so much for the amazing videos and information you share. You saved my gig years ago on advice how to connect passive speakers to powered subs and amp. Thanks a lot for that
You're most welcome Pedro, all the best with your music 😊
Excellent comparison. Very helpful. Thank you!
You're welcome :)
Awesome detailed comparison 😊
Thanks for watching :)
Great review, and honestly it got borderline asmr at times with the deliberate manner of speaking.
ASMR huh... perhaps a new line of work for me! Thanks for watching :)
This content are very useful. Big thank you sir, from Philippines
You're most welcome, Scrap and Junk 😅
I have used iterations of both mixers. I have used the Yamaha MG10FX with rotary knobs and I presently own the Mackie ProFX8. The main reason I own the Mackie is that I found a stupidly good deal on one used. I have used it live a little, but I use it mainly as a personal rehearsal workstation with headphones. I love my Mackie and it does a great job, however, it must be said that the FX in the Yamaha series is far superior in the way that they sound. There are more options, and of them, I can find one that works rather well in the way the parameters sound. The Mackie presets are passable, but I cannot find one in the 16 offered that seems just right. It always seems like a compromise regarding the parameters. I also miss compression for the vox channels, although the Yamaha built-in compressors are nothing to write home about. I have recorded with the Yamaha and the external power supply is very quiet. The external brick power supply is a drag live, but the proprietory plug is pretty rugged. It never failed, but it made me nervous that it was a proprietory. The Mackie is a standard IEC power cord. I always have a spare for live work which gives you peace of mind. I love the features of my Mackie, but I always felt the Yamaha little more hi-fi, but nothing to a level that it was a deal-breaker. The bottom line is I very much prefer the Yahama built-in FX settings hands down.
Thanks for the comment 😀 Yamaha have a long history of making outboard effects units for the pro audio industry so it would make sense that their onboard effects sound better.
between the Yamaha and Mackie...which sounds the best?
Can I send a monitor from the headphones out on the yamaha in order to keep the efx ?
I don't recommend doing that because you lose the use of your headphones - better to use the monitor out connections.
Hi - I'm looking at the Yamaha MG10XUF.
I have a pair of studio monitors on my desk. My purpose is to do livestreams via zoom so I need the USB return channel (which I see it has) to hear my students. However, if the monitors are plugged into the stereo monitor outs, how do I stop my live microphone from coming through the monitors creating feedback and just to the USB out?
I would like to keep the main XLR outs free for recording audio.
Thank you. Peter.
That is not actually possible on the MG10XUF - the inputs are permanently routed to the stereo outputs. The way around this is to use headphones instead of monitors.
@@GLBProductions Thank you very much for this valuable information. - just out of interest, the MG12XUF has some additional routing features. Would that work?
You're welcome Peter. I assume you mean the MG12XU? Yes it does - you would need to monitor off the group outputs, since the routing to the USB output is fixed, the same as on the MG10XUF. In my opinion these mixers are not ideal for live streaming - the USB output is quite limited in its functionality and designed more for utility recording, music playback etc.
@@GLBProductions Thank you 🙏
You're discussion is very informative and easy to understand. Thanks new subscriber here
Welcome, Anton!
Thanks for this from merry old England! Looking at the Yamaha (rather than a Behringer) so will probably go that way. Great overview - thank you!
Thanks Mike, glad the video was helpful. Stay far away from the B-brand 😉
Superb job, a basic education in all mixers.
Thanks for watching Chip!
thanks! very helpful!...I made a decision for Yamaha.
Enjoy your new mixer :)
Definitely INdepth review. Appreciate it
You're welcome :)
hey Bruno 😀 would you recommend the Mackie ProFX22v3 22-channel or the Yamaha MG20XU 20-channel Mixer it would be used for church? i would appreciate your feedback
for the mackie it would be the 3rd generación
They are both good entry level mixers - sound and features are quite similar. Your decision in this case would come down to availability, pricing and after sales support in your region, particularly the ability of the supplier to provide training on the new mixer.
GLB Productions thank you sir
At one point you said that monitor out is stereo version of headphone out(yamaha mixer).Is headphone out on that mixer mono or stereo out and is he have all off chanel sounds and effects?
Yes that could be misleading - what I meant to say is that the output is presented on two separate connectors as opposed to a single TRS connector. Headphone out is stereo - I don't know of any current production stereo mixers with mono-only headphone outputs. And yes you can hear all channels and FX in the headphones if you want to.
If I send a sine wave through a mic and raise the input gain and level, so that the MG10XU's meter is reading a steady -6dB, does it send that same level signal out through the usb port? I've noticed that if I record audio into my DAW, that the pre-fader metering on that channel strip (with no plugins) shows a much lower signal of around -21 dB. Any idea as to why the discrepancy between the two meters?
Great question Gregg! The reason is that the physical meters on the mixer read in dBu whereas the meters in your DAW read in dBFS, so you need to convert one to the other. Depending on which standard you use (SMPTE or EBU) -6dBu is around -24dBFS. Yamaha do not publish which standard they use, nor do they indicate the output level of the USB bus for a given analog meter reading.
Correct! Just remember that once you clip the AD converter the audio is ruined - I would recommend recording at a lower level (peaks no higher than -12dBFS) and then bringing it up in editing.
Hi Bruno, Thanks for the great review. What is the ultimate compact analogue mixer for studio and stage use in your opinion, if price is not an issue?
You're welcome TY. Mixers designed for live sound and recording tend to be rather different - I'm not a recording engineer so can't comment on the latter. For live sound, in my opinion, the ultimate compact analog mixer would be the Midas Venice series, now discontinued. It was amazing how much functionality they managed to pack into that small chassis!
Thank you for such a high yield analysis. Subscribing for more. 🙏
Welcome to the channel!
Hello !
Thank you for the information!
Of course, my comparaison and indecisiveness is with the : Mackie profx10v3 ,
Which to me, is an relatable 10 chanel comparison and equal effects.
I just can't decide
I require sound quality , many on board effects and manly live music
May I ask your opinion ?
The Profx10v3 is a good mixer for sure!
@@GLBProductions thank you !!
Big thanks for your reply
Which mixer would you recommend for home karaoke use? Yamaha MG10XUF or Mackie PROFX10V3 along with an additional DBX 31 band equalizer. Thanks in advance
Either will work fine - you should probably try both and choose the one that has the effects that better suit your needs/preferences.
While it isn't possible to adjust the FX sent to the monitor with the Yamaha, does the FX sound still come through as per how the FX are sent to the main mix? Or do you just hear the dry sound?
Yes, the mix sent to the 'monitor out' on this mixer is a duplicate of the stereo output.
Thank you Bruno. Between these 2 brand of mixers which one do you recommend in sound quality? I know that Singaporians likes Yamaha mixers a lot.
You're welcome. Sound quality will be very similar between mixers in this price range.
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Thanks for your great knowledge! 🙏
thank you
I live in the US and when I was looking for mixers 2 years ago, I never saw the Yamaha mg10xuf model for sale, and today I can only find one vendor in the US. Even the Yamaha US site doesn't carry the manual for it, though it is available on the Japanese site. So, I bought the MG12XU, which is similar to the MG10XUF. The mg10xu doesn't have PFL so I ruled it out.
The MG12XU is a more capable mixer and remedies the main shortcoming of the MG10XUF - the external power supply. Of course it's bigger, heavier and more expensive but that's how these things go. Thanks for watching!
Hi! What's more capable about the mg12xu other than the extra channels?
Try Sam Ash
Last time I checked they had it in store.
I am very new to the world of mixers...I just got an Allen & Heath ZEDi-10 Mixer...I am thinking of sending it back for the Yamaha....I will be using it for my main interface and recording...The ZEDi is a 4x4 multitrack interface...which I like...but no faders,and USB routing doesn’t seem as comprehensive as the Yamaha....What is your opinion on the ZEDi 10??Are you familiar with this mixer?.....
Hi Scott, the ZEDi-10 is designed specifically for a computer recording environment - with a 4x4 USB interface it can record individual channels to your DAW, unlike most mixers in this class which are only 2x2. Having said that if you are coming from a hardware-based recording system you may be more comfortable with the Yamaha.
Great tutorial.... Thank you... 🖐
Very in depth review. Thanks
You're welcome Roel, thanks for watching.
we now have 2022 - the Mackie has PFL Buttons and the Yamaha FX-Return. Deciding now is harder :D
Yes, that's why it's so important to educate yourself about the various features so that you can make an informed decision based on your specific needs and requirements 😄
Excellent video, many thanks!
You're most welcome.
Brilliant as usual. Such clear teaching. wish I watched this vid 4 months ago, ended up getting an Allen Heath Zed 10fx, can’t remember exactly but found 5 design flaws, one of which was the proud 48v condenser mic button. Ouch, not sure if I did any damage, speakers didn’t sound too impressed.
Thanks for watching Stephen. If you look carefully you'll notice that the phantom power button sticks up on all of them... Hitting it accidentally during use is generally not a problem for the speakers - what can be a problem is plugging and unplugging mics with the phantom power on and the channel unmuted - that bang can damage stuff if you're not careful!
GLB Productions - thanks for replying 😊 crazy design, I might put a plastic tube there, to eliminate potential accidents. When buying, I was guilty of brand name purchasing. The parameters where: compact, quality, Fx, 3 band EQ on stereo inputs. The FX select is a fiddly design, perhaps LEDs are more reliable or cheaper then a digital readout. There were other niggles, but would have to set it up to find them. I’ve learned loads from you, TH-cam should use your teaching techniques as an example for others. I have very low concentration levels, so any fluff, background music etc. and I’m lost. Dave Rat has an excellent channel too for audiophiles. He breaks down differences in equipment with spectrum analysers etc. Well worth a look if you haven’t already 😊
Thanks Stephen - very glad the videos have been helpful! As I mentioned to another viewer there is no perfect mixer design - what suits one person will invariably not suit another. However this also means that there are a wide variety of designs to choose from. The A&H is a great choice and has the best build quality in this class bar none - ONLY A&H use nutted pots and individual vertical circuit boards for each channel at this price point. Of course there are the issues you note above 🙄
Oh yes - Dave Rat is a legend in the live sound community, and it's so great that he's on YT as well!
GLB Productions - that’s very reassuring to hear. True, it’s all a compromise.
I had a feeling I’d be preaching to the converted, regarding Dave Rat, lol. 😊
Excellent video. Love our Yamaha....
Thanks for watching!
I love the video but I have a doubt. Is the fx send on the Yamaha stereo? I have it and I was planning on connecting my monitors to fx send to not send my mic to my speakers and still have the channel on
No, it is mono, balanced. Thanks for watching!
Nicely done...i will go with the yamaha for my homebeatstudio..👌🏽
You're welcome.
Thank you. A very thorough video. Quite helpful. 🙏 new subscriber
You're welcome! Thanks for subscribing :)
Hi, can you explain please how to use the SEND connection on the Yamaha mixer? I see there is no RETURN input, so do I use a dedicated channel or something else should be done? Need to use an external fx for recording. Thanks!
Take a look at my tutorial series on the MG12XU for more details: th-cam.com/video/J_yOvdlMUAg/w-d-xo.html In short it functions like a post-fade auxiliary send - if you are using an external FX unit you would return to one of the stereo channels. Thanks for watching!
Hi ! @ T. I. N Mateus
were you able to use external effects processor with YAMAHA MG10XU ? If yes could you please let me know how you did? Thanks so much.
Dude You are the BEST
Thanks for watching!
Your videos are great. So much information... 😀👍
Thanks for watching Hakan!
Great video!
Thanks Tiago.
Do their USB drivers both support older Windows versions?
Very hard to say - it depends not just on the version of windows but also the configuration of the specific computer. With Windows 10 I have never found a computer that fails to connect, although sometimes you need to download and install the MG series driver from the Yamaha website.
Hello sir..nice video you are made it...i have one question, i want to upgrade my mixer up to more channel such as 22 or 24 or more channels...which mixer of both mixer i can choose? I have a job next month to do live performances...tq sir
Both Yamaha and Mackie make larger versions of these mixer eg the Mackie ProFX22v3 and the Yamaha MG20XU. Thanks for watching!
You are the best. thanks!
Thanks for watching :)
So glad I eeny with the mackie. I bought a used yamaha years ago and the build quality was shit with shorts, channels that cut out touching unrelated buttons. The mackie is built like a tank and sounds great so I even went back from profx12 to a 24 channel vlz. It does everything I need to record at home.
Yes I have heard similar reports - however the build quality of these consoles today is very similar as they are both made overseas in China or Indonesia.
Pregunta: ¿Por qué razón en el ecualizador de los canales estéreo, Yamaha elimina la banda de frecuencias medias? Esto se ve en todas sus mezcladoras, o al menos en todas las de la serie MG. Saludos.
Estos cambios generalmente tienen que ver con la reducción de costos, la misma razón por la que eliminaron los puntos de inserción analógicos en la última generación de la serie MG 😉
Thank you for this! Very informative, indeed. I think my money is on the Yamaha.
You're welcome! There are many models in the MG series - make sure you look at the entire range before deciding :)
@@GLBProductions Believe me, I did. ;)
Pretty interesting observations, wondering if Yamaha still sell MG10XUF? Or it’s overtaken by Yamaha MG10XU? (no ‘F’ suffix, no faders)
No these are two distinct models, one does not supersede the other. In my region at least, both are still available as of August 2020.
Great review.
Glad you think so!
hi there..
Between MACKIE FX 10 and YAMAGA MG 10 GX ...which one is better option for small parties..I am a keyboard player?
thanks
Sorry I'm not familiar with the "Yamaga MG10GX"
Question, for recording mainly, with 8 instruments, which mixer to YOUR knowledge sud be appropriate, any examples or companies you’d recommend? Thx
What's your budget for the mixer and what are the features that you require?
Great details ! Curious to know as to which of them sounds better? Thanks.
At this price point there is very little difference in the way consoles sound 😄 I would say the difference in sound if any is subjective - to my ear the Mackie sounds a tiny bit warmer and the Yamaha a tiny bit brighter, but this is insignificant when you factor in the sound of the microphone being used.
@@GLBProductions Thank you. Maybe there is some availble data on the total harmonic distortion for each.
Hello Bruno, thank you for your videos they're great!
I'm about to get my first usb mixer in this range but I can't decide between the Mackie's profx10v3, the Yamaha's mg10xuf and the A&H Zedi10fx, they are very similar but with some distinct features. I'm going to use it mostly for small ensembles and soloists recording, online music classes and occasional live performances... Would you recommend one over the others?
Best regards!
Hello Carlos! Some factors to consider: if you need faders, go with the Yamaha. If you need 1/4" outputs, the A&H is out. If you need a 4x4 USB interface to record individual channels to your DAW, go with the A&H. If you need analog insert points, go with the Mackie. If you need onboard compression, the A&H is out. The A&H has the best build quality in my opinion and is the only one with an onboard power supply. The A&H has PFL buttons, the Mackie has mute buttons, the Yamaha has both. Hope this helps you make a decision 😊
@@GLBProductions Thank you very much for your reply, my dilemma comes because of the Yamaha's PFL, -26db and on/off switches and faders, the Mackie's hi-z and mute switches, inserts and 0 latency blend knob, and A&H's 4x4 usb interface capability, 2 hi-z, 2 -20db and PFL switches and as you said, the better build quality reputation it has.
I'm not sure if with the Yamaha's and A&H's is also possible to get 0 latency monitoring, I think it would be a great feature for overdubbing but as I'm a complete beginner in these matters I'm not sure about pretty much anything hehe...
Thank you again for your videos, are very instructional and clear!
Yes - that's why it's so important to know what your priorities are. For me as live sound engineer I absolutely must have PFL and mute switches, so I would always choose the Yamaha. Hopefully you will be able to identify a similar feature which is only found on one of these mixers. All the best!
@@GLBProductions Hello Bruno, I went for the Soundcraft Signature 10, it was a very hard choice to make, every mixer has it's pros and cons but I got a very fine deal with it.
I hope it was a wise decision, what do you think about that mixer? also it would be great to see a video of you reviewing it...
Best regards!
@@CrsAVC Those are good mixers, I'm sure it will serve you well. All the best with your sound :)
thank you for the video! So, I have a question, if I have my monitors connected, but also I want to do some pre listening of a channel, when I turn the knob of the monitor/phone, both volumes will change? there is a wa y to control separately the volume of the monitors and the volume of the phone (pre listening). Thank you!
Which specific mixer are you working with, K?
@@GLBProductions Yamaha MG10UF
I assume you mean the MG10XUF 😉 On that mixer there is no way to control the level of the monitor/phones outputs separately. If you need separate control you would need to use the volume on your monitor speakers/amplifier.
@@GLBProductions Thank you!
Please review pro fx v3...
great , but what do they sound like?
That is subjective Bob - in my opinion mixers in this price range sound pretty much the same: clean & utilitarian but without much character. The Mackie might be slightly warmer than the Yamaha.