Why Civilization Is Older Than We Thought
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- Samo Burja explains the significance of the Göbekli Tepe site in southeastern Turkey, why it points to an earlier historical date for complex society, and the implications both for how we view archaeology and our future as a whole.
This is an AI audio reading of the article "Why Civilization Is Older Than We Thought," originally published in Palladium Magazine on May 17, 2021. Read here: palladiummag.com/2021/05/17/w...
AI reading provided by Speechki.
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Samo Burja is a sociologist and the founder of Bismarck Analysis, a firm that analyzes institutions, from governments to companies. His research work focuses on the causes of societal decay and flourishing. He writes on history, epistemology and strategy.
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We will not know the true history of man until we start looking in the right place. It is known that man had a preference for costal habitation. We also know that ice ages, and the intervening periods between have resulted in sea levels fluctuating by hundreds of meters. I suspect much of early man’s presence is now well under water. In many instances, Km from present coastlines.
Also why "great floods" are a part of many ancient societies verbal histories, same with why many civilizations talk of "Atlantis" type civilizations.
Worse than that,the massive and mind boggling flooding that happened during the younger/dreyus event many thousands of square kilometers of soil were not only removed from costal areas but from many miles inland. Much history has been removed. With all the time life has been active on this earth and all the out of place artifacts. There's really no telling how many times we have risen and only been knocked back to start again.already been proven many species of man has existed together. Who says something besides man hasn't risen here. There's been hundreds of millions of years where civilizations could have come and gone. There would be little evidence. Who knows?
Well said..
Is it true that man has a preference for coastal cities? Most cities I thought were in river valleys.
@@guitarandrums I mean the major seats of civilization started in more isolated seas (if I'm wrong, I'm interested) where gross sea levels had less of an impact immediately. An interesting thought though to seek deeper into the sea for history.
The bottom line to all this is we don’t know shit about the past. We make judgments based on our own experiences and limited understanding of the past. And anyone who thinks that they do are usually the last people you want to rely on for information. The academic community does not have a patent on the past. They are as fallible as anyone else and pray to their own self importance.
I agree with you!!! Graham Hancock might be right or wrong. Doesn't matter at this point. The resistance and blow back from the professionals for just asking "IF" or "maybe"... just trying to question something shouldn't be so harsh and negatively reacted upon. Is the Eye of the Sahara the lost location of Atlantis? I don't know, but it sure could be. More evidence please. Just an example. They just found a new chamber in the Great Pyramid, right above the main entrance. So who built it... like you said, we don't know
What books have you read?
Who wants to know.
@@mikethomp1440 We the people don't know shit but I'm sure the people pulling the strings know the truth.
Yes, scientists are fallible but where do you get that they pray to their own self importance? Science is rigorous and skeptical, purposefully.
I cannot dismiss that funding usually comes with strings but it's still better than not working at all, no? Science rarely gets as much investment as other industries.
The problem with the story of Gobelki Tepe is its not a unique site. Several sites like this is being found all over Turkey now. It looks like it may be a large society that exsisted in Anatolia.There needed to be some way to feed the large number of people in the area.
Hmmm. A lost source of nourishment. Never thought about that.
Too few people think like this about history.
What was the food source? Who were their enemies? How close was navigable water for trade or safety?
I would not label it as a problem. And yes, now that they know what to look for, they are finding more pre diluvian sites that have pushed back the established time line of when and how civilization as it is referred to back much further into the past. As well as all the nonsense about hand to mouth gatherers. Truth is, we don’t know crap. Just on what we know now we should be throwing everything else out the window and start rewriting.
It’s stretch to call Gobekli Tepe part of a civilization. A community yes, but not the whole deal.
Even one would be significant, and this site is massive.
Congrats on the well trained AI model on vocals & a great presentation
what?, are you serious?
@@gawkthimm6030 Read the description. 'AI reading provided by Speechki'.
The artificial page flips are a little bit ridiculous but everything else I thought was pretty good
jaw drop. 😮
Amazing... dang
I find that most 45 minute videos could easily be condensed to about 10 or 15 minutes, with the essential points grasped in a couple of statements. Not yours though. This video is so densely packed with novel & relevant information, that I'll be revisiting it for some time. Magnificent work.
Make a assertion back it with research. It's a pretty easy concept to grasp. Doesn't mean it's correct but it's a methodology accepted by many. It's pretty much how we are able to communicate with each other on these magic picture boxes that fit in your pocket.
Thanks for sharing.
Our history book should be about 50000 years old not 8000
Hello from a fellow San Franciscan. Most people don’t know that the tulip, and many of our other garden flowers, came from Asia Minor. Great video, thanks.
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Spectacular! Comparative analysis, critical thinking, readable and absorbing. Thank you so much! God bless our eggheads🎉
I am reminded of the difference in what my father saw when he visited Carlsbad Cavern back in the 1920s, of which he stall some photographs. and the what I saw in 1947 when he stood me there , with what I and my young children saw in the 1970s, and what I saw on a visit just a few years ago. A progressive removal of any sense of the wild and raw experience felt by the cowboy who discovered it, to the sleek disney-like appearance today. No longer does one experience the total blackness that I I experienced as part of a group moving away from the entrance to the Rock of Ages, where the ranger had us stand as the lights were turned out. Suddenly I was in a threatening darkness, that was suddenly relived by the strains of a recording of the old hymn:” Rock Ages, “ prompted of four by the huge formation of that name. Now that is all gone, and we have a tamed environs,ent that a false secularism lends us to. believe is reality.
The answer is - It all depends on how someone defines civilization.
Cities. Cucuteni = civilization, Iroquois = civilization, GT = not civilization, potlatch society instead.
talking of the two Buddha being destroyed. historical statues in the US and Europe have been destroyed recently by the public not the government??
How dare those smugglers take precious artifacts and sell them to private collectors where only a few people get to look at them. They should all be in a box in the basement of some museum where no one ever gets to see them like most artifacts.
Wrong think on the beringia folk. Sure, the innu came over via, but the plains Cree and Dene legends speak of a northward migration, following the receding glaciers into new fertile land. Dene and Navajo language are quite similar. Dene maintain, that have and will always be here (Turtle Island)
Just because they have legends about their past doesn't make it so.
Verbal tradition is so prone to distortion and embellishment that it cannot be trusted even when it begins from an accurate source.
It's equally possible that they didn't actually have a longstanding verbal tradition until millennia after the ice age glaciers receded and they were already settled in the Americas - that their current verbal traditions are no more than invention to explain how they got there, just like the various creation myths around the world.
Wow this kid really used wrongthink unironically.
Haudenasonee were here before anyone else. They came from the Pleiades Star System. Their mission was and is to teach the peoples here how to be human beings. Their political system and Constitution have influenced the world.
Seriously. Do you own research.
I thought the Navajo are the Dene, they dont call themselves Navajo, they call themselves Dene
Drunk?
The simplistic, linear view of human progress taught in schools needs to be completely revised. Human history has been cycles of progress and collapse, two steps forward one step back, not a straight line between antiquity and today, and certainly not from pre history to civilisation.
Same with human evolution.
Very nice, great observations.
The ubiquitous hand bags
I think they were watering cans.
Can't ignore the garden of eden at the mouth between the tigress and euphrati rivers.
My grandmother and others knew about these sites even when it was blocked by the ottoman empire she told me and she passed away in mid 1980s
The garden of Eden is a myth, like the Bible.
@@david-ts6hj obviously its dug up over 27,000 credited archeological sites and discoveries. Its even led us to several entire Civilizations that many acedemics was made a fool of for saying the same thing you said. Lol
As far as sites found at the start of and in-between the two rivers we are finding the first civilizations ever built even before farming techniques
@@david-ts6hj We also use evolutionary mythology as a tool of imagining deep time theories in unrecorded past. Completely made up artistic depictions of once upon a time 65 million years ago on jungle earth an asteroid wiped our dino fantasy land.
This how we work has humans. We tell ourselves these little story's.
@@david-ts6hj
You come onto a video that talks extensively of mythic civilizations like troy, the hittites, and ones we don't even know the names of - which have been vindicated to exist....
And of aboriginals' mythos accurately describing ancient climate and geography back 10,000 years....
To just balk like a parrot that the bible is a myth.
You are in a cult and have forked over whatever mental capacity you may have to the political agenda of attacking a religion for no reasons of your own.
You're a pathetic tool and should be ashamed of yourself.
@@david-ts6hj Even the parts corroborated by the archaeological record? Huh. Maybe you should look up 'the Gulf Oasis' and Jeffrey Rose, University of Chicago, before making grandiose generalizations like that.
Likely the vulture was how the dead were managed prior to some type of internment
Nobody else seems to have noticed this, but there is a huge clue staring people in the face on that one stone right there while the robot speaks. Anyone else see it? That rock is called the 'vulture stone'. That 'vulture' to the left is a Condor. Where are Condors native to? *heads off to roll one while you all put it together*
The objects to the right of the vulture on the Gobekli stone (that was carved before agriculture started) sure looks like sheeves of wheat.
They do and right under the bags, one theory on the bags is that they were holding water for the plants. Preveen Mohan believes they held batteries, his vids mostly done in Hindu temples are awesome, he does detailed shots of actual sites and the often astounding stuff inside, explains what and why he thinks is going on and invites your opinion on what you think. I think a lot of the temples are far older than the archaeological dates, and since the sites have been occupied continuously I suspect the dates he gives are conservative estimates. I don't always agree with his opinion, but he gives you the screenshots to make up your own mind rather than just reciting a lot of data that you can't examine for yourself.
@@brendacooper5729 Those 'handbags' appear on neolithic stone carvings all over the world, in cultures that supposedly had no contact with one another. Really makes you think. I'll give Preveen Mohan a look. Thanks.
it's about apocalypse(truth revealed), look up Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson please, it's astrology
@@notaTroll2 I grew up with Hancock and Erich von Däniken, and the Bible. Nice to meet you.
The parallels with us making up stories about our pasts and our ancestors doing the same is fascinating and a testament to our ability to project things and ideas and then bring them to fruition for others to see is amazing as well. Too bad people don't stop and think for themselves rather than rely on theories and hypothesis.
I firmly believe that after nuclear fallout and ages transpire, people excavating our lost civilization will swear we worshipped a black-helmet man named Darth and followed a blond boy and his droids each year at harvest.
You're yet another one who doesn't know how to handle plurals...SMH...
Parallels = plural = needs an 'are', not an 'is'.
'Parallels...ARE fascinating.'
If it were 'parallel', it would be 'is fascinating'.
What happened to this basic use of grammar?
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@@NoahBodze so true 🤣
I think Ren is one of those people fascinated by historical entertainment - from Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales (c. 1342-1400) with his Tales of Violet, Screech and Jenny, through every genre that’s come since . He is so incredibly well educated…add that to his talents and I think he can be considered a polymath.
That was in response to your Clockwork Orange question…he doesn’t limit himself to a specific demographic audience…he makes his audience work, I doubt any of us get all his references.
I’m loving your Ren reactions - thank you.
This is absolutely fascinating. There's a lot to digest here.
I saw a now old TV show where they spoke of an ancient lost Asian civilization that was spoken of by the already ancient Mongolian and other dynasties in that area. Allegedly it was suggested that a network of wall foundations long buried in the sands might have been that civilization. The idea that any cultures around Mesopotamia considered themselves the oldest civilization is preposterous. It's as silly as the six thousand year old earth concept.
Wow! Great stuff!!!
The "handbags" at the top, represent water. There's plenty of other examples all over the place, but some showing the people using them to get water. SO they are just buckets. The pillar matches the Mazzaroth. Many believe it has to do with Noah or his relatives.
The symbolism looks to me as if, on the right hand side, two birds are copulating. On the left hand side the big bird is holding an egg, and on the bottom right a baby bird. So, an indication of it representing fertility.
The structure may have been a place where they brought their dead to be consumed by vultures. The symbols on the stone carvings were to identify the tribes that used them.
Thousands of grinding stones were found at gobekli type. It's not a ritual site it's a grain processing site
@@UltrEgoVegeta Or both? The cycles of life and death celebrated in one place?
I'm not aware of any society, past or present, that processes their dead relatives and their grain in the same place, particularly not on an industrial scale. Not saying it's impossible, just seems like a bit of a leap.
@@itzakpoelzig330 they wernt processing thier dead there
No it's about apocalypse, look up Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson please
Wow I never considered that, is the story of the forbidden fruit a metaphor for agriculture?
Fascinating 🤯
Already, we have to drop away our absolute prejudice of modern Christian/Islamic/Judaism bias. Many comes to anointing the Fertile Crescent as the origin of human civilization.
Win verifiable evidence as places throughout eastern Africa has the oldest remains of human populations, we merely have places we are modern people have not looked.
The reason why this area of turkey has generated excitement in many ways beyond a revenue stream for the country of Turkey (the modern country nation state that serves as that for the Roman Empire’s Christian city of Constantinople, home of its first church the Hagia Sophia, and later the Ottoman Empire capital of Istanbul… because it shatters the falsely, derived religious beliefs of trying to fit the entirety of human history into the space of the three western religions creation story timeline. Import, scientist and archaeologists are trying to fit actual human history into religious biblical myths.
The real reason is that not only is Gobeki Tepe is far older, but many of the civilizations across many places of time are likely falsely dated to be younger. That falls dating is purely arbitrary, and does not reflect the evidence.
That city life is a defining human phenotype makes sense. No need to be overly categorical about it, but one thing you would do while living there would be building stuff, and telling stories about why, distilling the stories into images. Francis Scott of Yale iirc wrote a book "The Art of Not Being Governed" where some agriculturalists fled the rice paddies and the tax man and left the books and the writing behind as well, to live in the jungle or forests and hills. He didn't suppose that to be a human phenotype, but why not? I choose to live far from cities and towns, and I wonder sometimes why anyone would -- but you are more social when young, and have more energy to party. We should not assume the sacred temples were never great dance clubs, or that that was not their primary purpose. They may not even have been narcissistic conformists, but spiritual and beautiful dreamers who slept well had no enemies or fear of death. Poets. Who lived in the moment, in the Earth, with the stars and planets and the space between, continuous with the space within.
Great new facts. The mystery continues.
If you look at the image from the bottom up, it seems to depict whole creatures, a particle (which the creatures are made of), waves (which the particle is made from), and handbags... which the waves are made from?
So Cool you got to go and see this . Thank you for being truthful . This Realm is so 0ld b\c everyone had to get Here through Parents .
Want the real Samo voice back!!!!
Will get around to recording myself reading this in a proper studio sometime in next year. Have had a very busy schedule.
The widespread use of agriculture very likely took many thousands of years and very likely found its genesis in more than one place. Looking at the level of technology at use in Gobekli-Tepe, it would appear that the use of agriculture in the region was already well established long beforehand.
For what we know, in West Eurasia all agriculture (cereal at least) originated in Palestine (PPN A/B), while animal domestication is centered further north in the Taurus-Zagros area instead (goats and sheep east of GT, cows west of GT at later date, pigs are still a bit mysterious but in that area as well).
There are separate instances of Neolithic (North and South China, millet and rice respectively, Papua: sago silviculture, later also America and less autonomously Africa: most tropical crops) but in West Eurasia that seems to be all.
What level of technology ?! Their
Technology was precisely the same as that of other Neolithic
settlements . Whether it was a few thousand years earlier than we thought is irrelevant . They did not possess any secret , advanced
Civilization . They lived in the Stone Age just like others.
Great
Sorry, I posted the previous comment before I looked into your other content. I thought you were an ancient history channel, but it seems that you're mostly political content?! Subbed.
Nice. I'm a biologist and I've come up with the same conclusions. It's a hard subscribe for me.
I’m an electrician, and I find it plausible.
@@mikethomp1440 how does your trade inform your view on the development of civilization? I'm curious to know... is there some tidbit of information known by y'all that gives clues as to the antiquity of civilization and the evolution thereof?
@@charliem5254 I was wondering the same thing from a biological standpoint.
@@mikethomp1440 Biologists study human biology, and culture creation is a biological process that marks off human activity. We study humans because human are alive, and they are animals, and civilization is part of our biology.
@@mikethomp1440 Hey but since you're so smart and had to have your opinion known, please, seriously share the insights you as a tradesman have learned from engaging in your trade? Seriously, no insights? Don't tell me you listen to Mancow all day and troll the internet the rest of the time.
We really need to search the floor of the Persian gulf where the coastlines would have been during the lowest sea-levels. We also need to follow the cart-ruts from Malta and other places when they go underwater and see if they lead to something submerged under several hundred feet of water. India has confirmed underwater cities in the gulf of Cambay. Unfortunately underwater archeology is astronomically expensive.
The myths of Native Americans in the Pacific Northwest record geological events possibly 10,000 years ago. Cultural memory is a fascinating phenomenon.
Agriculture evidence either exists or it does not. The definition of civilization can be debated but it does not change the past. Society obviously started becoming complex before full mastery of agriculture.
IMO GT was a potlatch site and thus you should compare with Chinooks rather than Florida. The source of all the fish was in the Euphrates, just north of the site, the source of all the game was in the extremely fertile valley to its south. Just because they built their "totems" on stone it does not make them a civilization.
We know how potlatch work: various popular leaders rally their teams into competing for achievements such as bringing the most fish to the communal feast or rising the most beautiful totem. GT should have not been much different.
Also in terms religious I rather compare with Zoroastrianism, especially because of how the death are disposed of (to the vultures) in the iconography. The Yazidi are interesting but don't seem to provide any clue for this, much more common historical Zoroastrianism does instead (and sure: I know Zoroastrianism probably began in BMAC but where did BMAC or its precursor Neolithic originated?)
Interesting! However, I may have been a bit distracted, but did I miss the bit where the actual age of civilisation was mentioned?
Could that be a person upper left between the 2 “purse” handles? And an animal of some sort between the handles of “purses” 2 and 3? Could the “purses” be a barrier between where the humans and animals reside and where the Vultures reside?
Separation of spirit and flesh beings? Or sacred and common?
What’s up with the handbags? Why are the handles off set with an animal perched on top?
Could they represent arks?
Automobiles, my man
After Angkor Wat's discovery of the "circuit city" I have no doubts in my mind. We're probably not even the first industrial one, but I know that may be fantasy too much.
Is that three hand bag with a hand on the ancient stone,what is the meaning of the hand bag.
How about a few pictures of the tulip-shaped air traffic control tower or the many billion dollar new airport itself? This IS a video channel.
Scary to think how easily Mao could have destroyed that terra cotta army.
Ancestor worship is the basic foundation of this behavior
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It’s impossible to know just how old our world is nor is it possible to speak of the first of anything!
it is not impossible, there are dozens of new scientific methods that were unavailable 30 years ago.
@@ekesandras1481 Science is a religious cult who continues to spend money on bs, sorry but they know absolutely nothing!
That's like saying we have the fossil remains of the first T. Rex, when we know that less than a single percent of a single percent of living animals get fossilized in the first place. All of the ones that don't are essentially invisible to science.
The same is true of the remnants of cultures. The enormous majority are left out of our models because they simply haven't been dug up yet, or were so old or so biodegradable that they have been completely erased.
Archeological science continues to make great strides, but most of the evidence just isn't present to be examined.
We can't ever know what is the first of anything, only what is the oldest example of it that we are currently aware of.
@@itzakpoelzig330 Glad you agree. But you sure went a long way to say it!
No.
What do the carvings of handbags mean ?.
The biggest misunderstanding about our past is that history does not follow a gradual path. So it's not possible to explain 150,000 years of history when you do not know about the cycle of seven natural disasters that is affecting our planet Earth and its inhabitants in a severe way. That cycle is mentioned in several ancient books as the Mahabharata from India and the Popol Vuh from the Maya. Such a cycle can only be caused by a celestial body that is approaching the sun and its planets with long time intervals. We found pictures of that approaching planet. We now know this planet as planet 9 or X. As an effect of these recurring disasters, civilizations come and go in a fixed schedule of five. Four live only a short time and are less developed and one lives much longer and is at the end highly developed. This cycle goes back hundreds of thousands of years and will continue in the futurre. Countless names are used worldwide to name this planet and the disasters that are battering the planet Earth. Noah's Flood maybe the best known. Phaeton, Quetzalcoatl, Shiva or Nibiru are others. To learn much more about planet 9, the recurring flood cycle and its timeline, the rebirth of civilizations and ancient high technology, read the e-book: "Planet 9 = Nibiru". This book answers many of your questions about ancient history. It can be read on any computer, tablet or smartphone. Search: invisible nibiru 9
this is a history invented by Zaccaria Sitchin and is bullshit
Great news about Erdoğan’s positive disposition towards archeology in Turkey and an interesting forecast, why the 44 min long preamble?
Has anyone considered the idea that Gobekli Tepe was build by a civilization of intelligent vultures. Humans seem to have a low position on the totem pole.
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Aren't we ultimately intelligent vultures?
Could this be a rural 'backwater' that survived due to elevation and chance?
What do you mean? It was no doubt a most important crossroads culture of the Mesolithic but when they began farming they moved their temples to the villages in smaller format (and then eventually buried the old temple out of respect). Later they'd be conquered by their eastern neighbors of Halafian culture, who went on rampage all the way to the middle Danube (the precursors of the Pelasgians, Arzawans and Etruscans surely) and their peculiarities were lost to history... except maybe for some legacy in Zoroastrianism (vulture funerals).
It would have been real cool if you had more images about some of the ruins you've mentioned instead of just the single piece of rock with the average turkish man on it.
I think as amusing, bemusing and conflicted we humans are...we still exhibit pretty much the same behaviours as our primate ancestors....and the rest is just created self promotion, artifice and distraction to make it look and appear like we are either more or less civilised that we are! 😂😂😂!
'Urartu' is where we get Ararat.
The forbidden fruit was grain? Who's Maliktous? A character in an H.P. Lovecraft novel?
Knowledge of good and evil/adultery. it's about apocalypse(truth revealed), look up Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson please, it's astrology
Reading through the comments here is an eye opener in the ignorance of the modern "civilization" on Earth now
History and climate change is what the people in power say it is...
Thanks so much for the video and info.
Looking back through history, everything that people thought they knew as fact, was later laughable.
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So the primary reason it is difficult to find ancient ruins isn't the random damage by nature, but the deliberate interference by us humans?
Relay is an Olympic game😮
Civilisation is YOUNGER than you think !
Handbags? They could just as easily be padlocks? Or are they depictions of the Earth beneath and the Dome of Heaven above?
the first presidet of Turkey, Ataturk deliberatly "westernized" especially in architecture, where in the late 20's and 30's he invited european architects to built new modern structures as they were fleeing fascists.
There was a tradition from the 1860s to westernise/modernise the Ottoman Empire. Ataturk followed this thought and took it a lot further, as you say. He also changed the Arabic script to the Latin for the state of Turkey, as yet another form of westernisation.
@@jonstfrancis and stopped enforcing women to wear veils and gave women the voting rights before some western nations
Why are the same carvings found on Easter Island ?.
How can civilization be older than the entire 6,500 year old Universe?
Wonderful- I hope the Turkish government indeed embraces the site for the long-term as a part of national identity. I like your focus on the centrality of urbanism to human nature.
Although tangential to your main point, I'd also have mentioned the behavior of the Huguenots and English revolutionaries as examples of iconoclasm.
Worryingly good AI.
Don't need the page turning sound effect
Humanity's reboot by nuclear annihilation is a well known occurrence. We are due
The bag. The basket. Look. There are 3 bags (Baskets) on top of this stone. Bags and baskets have been featured on stones and megoliths all around the world. What's with the bags? They have to have a deeper meaning. Edward Leedskalnin (I hope I spelled his name right) creator of the "Coral Castle" was seen by a few small children moving giant blocks of stone. When they got home their parents asked them how he moved the stones and they said "He moved them with the Ice cream cones".
The images on the stone at Gobekli Tepe do not look like bags. The so-called handles are not centered. Coral castle was built with the tools that are still found at the site. Chain hoists, winches, rope, timber, etc.
Yes, obviously shopping was important to the ancients!😃
@@trojanthedog they just like us fr 😂
*The bags represented them "Carrying in the Knowledge"*
Clearly, there were the individuals that were: "the bringers of Knowledge" and in the history, plus time and changes 9f bloodline leaders, the story either got Revised, misinterpreted by the early people's, and/or *Misinterpreted by Modern Academics/Archaeologists, applying God to what was akin to a Titled Individual, ie: like a Lord in Britain, being misconceived by a modern academic as a "god" (little "g").
Copy of my previous comment:
*We are in the era of great Realizations, the Authentic Minds, that follow the "Standards of Science and Research" are gaining the momentum towards affecting greater Facts.*
The Standards require: *"Mind fully Open, free of any predetermined Beliefs, Theories, Opinions, and Ideas, allowing for the Research Methodologies to extract the greater facts."*
Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists use a *"19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline as their Fact Foundation."* This is clearly outside the boundaries of "the Standards of Science and Research"
Keep a note of this going forward, I'm surprised how Dogmatic the Mainstream Academics have proven to be.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
It's about apocalypse, look up Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson please
When i first started paying attention to the past....humans were definitively 150,000 years old and civilization was 6000 years old. If you argued against that, you were a quack. Today, 35 years later, humans are closer to 300,000 years old and one of the sites in turkey (golbekli or Kharahan tepe) is the oldest civilized site. So, to me, anyone who claims, without a doubt, that these are the thresholds and that humans or civilization is no older than this, has a closed mind. Humans could well be much older, maybe 500,000 years old, who knows? The earth is big if we have found the oldest little skeleton in this vast land, its a miracle.. Tbere is still so much to find, im sure. And in being 300,000 years old, im sure that some groups of clever humans got together and built some stuff yet to be found, maybe 240,000 years or 190,000 years ago. Maybe it didnt survive test of time. So, i guarantee that civilization is much older than what is found in turkey.
when our early astronomers n scientists faced the wrath of those who had ruled by religious books, they too would have similar difficulties as are evident here and also in many other areas of archaeological studies. and today we have more than just religious books, we also have books for high level scholars to deal with. and of course anything not in the books become hearsay, maybe even heresy
Perhaps another human phenotype is: cult behavior. Perhaps that is the primary human phenotype, or it may be a bug in the programing. Or programing is the bug IDK.
it's about apocalypse(truth revealed), look up Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson please, it's astrology
Great essay, i cant wait for intelligent People to start thinking outside the current paradigm in archeology and to not have to only ones talking about this be People like Hancock etc. No offence to him, i guess he should get credit to the extent that he is helping change the conversation but he is often wrong. If humans have been anatomically similar for 200k years i think Samo is even being modest in his 20k year bet, no doubt our boundry for where history and civilization began is only epistemic
Hancock isn’t changing any thinking. He’s just sucking on the teat of the ones doing the actual work, then pretending he came up with the idea.
A person should look with their eyes.
T@@WorldWokeApeCult The ones doing the actual work are hiding and making sure the public don't see things that condradict the 6000 year old, Hancock only shines a light on these discoveries and says what a lot of archeologists suspect which is that humanity and civilization is a lot older than the present academia says it is. As an aside most of the people you think doing "the actual work" are in colleges sitting on their asses and writing papers using secondary if not terciary sources.
@@WorldWokeApeCult Hancock need a little credit, he actually got some regular people interested in historical sites and archaeology. Yes he is wrong about a lot, but many people are, right?
@@WorldWokeApeCult yeah, sure. But you know his name and the theories associated with him, if you were informed you would know the people behind him. They're a team and it takes as much for people to notice. Our eyes work just fine, but it's all an ILLUSION. Always has and will be. Use your brain.
@@informobyte3211 Not illusion. Delusion. You’re deluded if you think Hancock and his team are anything but charlatans.
🤔 This was *EXCELLENT!* 😃👍
Money is the root of all evil. If people didn't care about profits there could be so much more we could learn. For as smart as our species appears to be we are woefully unaware of our history
Money is just an object. It is the LOVE for it that is the root of all evil.
Money is an instrument. A tool. One cannot " love" money. That would be cathexis. Money can't love you back.
@@StephenS-2024 money is a tool or a representation of power, the words are interchangeable.
@@roman727Then,... so's a hammer .
Or words, for that matter.
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Money is our new God. ☝️❤️✌️🌍🙏😇
The ancient Greeks they explained.
It was a hunting lodge
Many people and many civilizations. They grew, learnt a little and died. Just as ours will. Better luck next time around kids.😎
The T shape was designed to support the body of the dead for the vultures to consume prior to the tribes final ritual of internment
Sky burial. Still done in the Himalayas and the Americas.
(Sub'd to support your works)
*The bags represented them "Carrying in the Knowledge"*
Clearly, there were the individuals that were: "the bringers of Knowledge" and in the history, plus time and changes 9f bloodline leaders, the story either got Revised, misinterpreted by the early people's, and/or *Misinterpreted by Modern Academics/Archaeologists, applying God to what was akin to a Titled Individual, ie: like a Lord in Britain, being misconceived by a modern academic as a "god" (little "g").
Copy of my previous comment:
*We are in the era of great Realizations, the Authentic Minds, that follow the "Standards of Science and Research" are gaining the momentum towards affecting greater Facts.*
The Standards require: *"Mind fully Open, free of any predetermined Beliefs, Theories, Opinions, and Ideas, allowing for the Research Methodologies to extract the greater facts."*
Mainstream Academics/Archaeologists use a *"19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline as their Fact Foundation."* This is clearly outside the boundaries of "the Standards of Science and Research"
Keep a note of this going forward, I'm surprised how Dogmatic the Mainstream Academics have proven to be.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
The handbag is found in South America also I can't remember what country or witch site but I've seen pictures somewhere that's pretty amazing I mean turkey is a long way from South America so how is it explained ?
it's about apocalypse(truth revealed), look up Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson please
Well. Everybody was wrong in the end we killed ourseves and fought over nothing
LA Marzulli conference last weekend...
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Archaix that's all I'm saying
We still aren't civilized. If we were we would all be practicing The Golden Rule.
Define "civilization"? Where are the cities of Nevali Corian? Temples are not civilizations, cities are.
Why is civilization older than we think? Well maybe it's because none of us are getting any younger. ....js
Same voice as nde story TH-cam channel
Human beings doing art with no writing points to a lack of the power of speech.
so we are NOT listening to a Human Being....
I thought civilization is at least one million years old.
Civilization means “life in cities” and Gobleki Tepe and related sites seem to be among the first nearly-cities. Mesopotamia has the next known oldest, beginning around 4,000 BCE, with Egypt following a few centuries later.
@@kimberlyperrotis8962 according to academia. I believe it is much older. I have no proof but this is what I think. Hence my reaction on the title of this video.
@@kimberlyperrotis8962 pretty sure the Sumerians would disagree.
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Now that you mention it,
i haven't spoken to the
Old Folks at Home
in a minute...
-although it Was a Foster home,
that ol' Stevie played a mean
Piano ... ! :D
The hand bags ! Always the hand bags ! In turkey the tigress Valley in South America hand bags ! What the F are they ha ha !