Which Civilization Came First | Dr. Miano
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- In this episode Dr. Miano guides us through a heated topic that continues to rage on social media and that is which civilization came first?
Was it the Mesopotamian Civilization? Egyptian Civilization? Or the Indus Civilization?
First he asks "What is Civilization? How do we determine a civilization? And then goes on to explain what academia generally defines as civilization.
Once we leave that aspect of the presentation he then discusses all three of these civilizations and explains which one came first and why?
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Great discussion. A topic for another video. “What civilization invented the chariot.” Interesting story of the first arms race.
@@deadlyshotta2893 Sumers invented it long before anyone else. Whilst the POTTER'S wheel was invented by the Ubaids, the chariot wheel made (from its 3 solid parts) was a sumerian one
Actually the concept of
"First civilization" is itself bogus👎
Atlantis was the first duh.
Author Books year
Vyasa & ganesh.Bhagavad -Gita 200 BC
Veda vyasa. Mahabharata 300 BC
Valmiki. Ramayanam 500 BC
Hindu creation story and trinity was copied from Sumerians -3000 BC
Hindu astrology was copied from Babylonians.1894 BC
I think the competitive debate about who was first often obscures the (IMO) much more profound fact that civilization happened independently in so many places. That suggests that the capacity to "civilize" (in the sense of organization and urbanization) is inside of all of us, rather than some "good idea" that a Sumerian or Indian dude thought of a long time ago. Who was first is a matter of blind geographic coincidence, not a matter of who reached some kind of finish line in an intellectual race. It's not who was first, but where was first. As always, thanks for another great thought provoking video, Nick!
Who was first matters too to understand the migrations, genetics, social progression, psyche and so so many more kind of sciences that help us improve our knowledge... It is no coincident that we study these things because it is useful
That is a good point. I would go on to suggest further that it really is not about a "people" having intrinsic ability, it is wholly environmental. Environments that enabled large scale agriculture with little in the way of techniques was a prime prerequisite for early civilizations. It's not people willing themselves to "achieve" something, it's humans interacting with their environments.
What a fantastic point ! What's a few hundred years here and there in hundreds of thousands of years that took to reach this point !
Spot on
@@pinkyfinger9851 who was first matters to supremacists....
Egypt came first Unification of Egypt was 3200BC but Pre dynastic Egypt go back at least 6000BC in order, Why do People scholars start Egyptian history with Unification and not Pre dynastic
Amazing
Definitely not iran is first
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Because the Egyptian were black, let’s be honest lol
We need much more information from archeology before we can even start answering this question. And we need to know much more about the early Ethiopia and Indus/Saraswati cultures.
@Ario 1 thank you
@Ario 1 Who was Ethiopians hunter gathers during 3rd millennia when plants and animals were being domesticated in the highlands in 8,000 BC? Also, Upper Egypt was established long before 3,000 BC before Namer unified lower and upper Egypt. So, hunter-gathers aren’t advance?
Yes, yes, yes! Also the history of the world when the other continents housed civilizations. Man can you imagine the splendor. Solon and other Greek Historians, and even the Indian Epics all have a very similar . We for get that the plant had changed so much. The artifacts and edvience of awesome tech is mind blowing.
early Mesopotamia too as well
Mesopotamia is rarely studied on the ground and that’s the biggest problem. In comparison Egypt had archeologists for the past 200 years working endlessly to study the Egyptian empire. Iraq however was rarely studied. All the information about Mesopotamia comes from findings in the 1800’s and early 1900’s. Saddam blocked the whole country and wars never attracted archaeologists but I’m certain that once Mesopotamia is thoroughly investigated and studied we will understand human history much better and unlock a lot of mysteries.
Don't forget china, India , and so many other civilisations still not digged out ...
And,
please tell us where is Atlantis ...
@@francoisvancaloen9148 atlantis is mythology u should check a documentary on the on the volcanic eruption of islan of Santorini in the 14th century BC. Atlantis myth is base on that
@@cheickousmanetoure2068 you should read more about, starting with Plato and think harder
@@francoisvancaloen9148 my friend i don't need to read plato, most of ancient Greece scholars are impostors. Pato heard about that storie he called Atlantis when he went in Egypt ( kemet) as student by his teacher an evyptian priest. The volcanic eruption of Santorini destroyed tbe all Minoan civilisation. Why plato didn't gave his sour
ce, because he didn't witnessed tbe event.
The Akkadian language was the world diplomatic language (lingua franca) throughout the known world such as Amarna letters etc. Surely this indicates who were viewed as the most influential on the world scene? Its sway lasted almost 1000 years as all diplomats had to learn this language until Aramaic came on the world scene as the new diplomatic language.
What was 1st / or who was 1st. The WHAT could not come before the WHO. So did the Sumerians come out of equatorial Africa? Or did the did the equatorial Africans come out of Sumer? Your answer is in the question. Raw facts please, no egos bias.
We all know the answer to that.
Sumerian civilization or Sumer are they originally Iraqis from Babylon?
Dr. Miano faces the same problem as the rest of us in speculating on which civilization came first. The problem or that restriction is the lack of knowledge that we have of how the world was seven to ten thousand years ago. The oceans have risen more than 400- feet since the glacial maximum. That means what is now the Persian Gulf actually was dry land interspersed with some large lakes. The coasts around India, Egypt and elsewhere also probably hosted cultures about which we know nothing. I hope that some underwater exploration can generate more data on this point. Or we can just stick around for the next ice age and see what the lowering water level reveals. When you have a literate culture to the north (Sumer), and a literate culture to the west (Egypt) and a literate culture to the south (Indus Valley) one cannot but help to wonder what was in the middle. Not to mention what might be underwater along the coasts of the Med.
In the middle was Jiroft culture of Iran and BMAC civilization of Central Asia. They were equally developed trade partners of Indus Valley and civilizations of the Middle East.
Trading with them was a thing in think. Also Egypt is a sattlite colony form a land called Ta 'Seti and that the Civilization was more advanced and gave them their knowledge. I wonder about the kingdoms that lived and ruled when the Sahara was green.
I propose using the term Nile Valley complex or civilizations in much the same way we used the term Mesopotamia , why?? because if we used the rise of Egypt only as a state, then how do we treat Ta-Seti as both related to and *maybe* ancestral to what was to become Egypt,
according to grave goods they were urban, had royal palaces that resembles old kingdom Egyptian palaces,
and proto writing to boot.
I'm not sure if that is taken into consideration by folks engaging in the debate.
Good point, we basically have 3 recognised river valley cultures that we are talking about here - Nile, Mesopotamia and Indus. Obviously this is in the middle East but we have other river valley civilizations all over the world to consider as well.
It's much more correct to consider them in this way.
Agriculture and writing started from sumer . Everyone else took it from there . Sumer was few 100 years older than egypt.thats your answer . Greetings from iraq 🙌🏻
They wrote/chiseled on clay... They had no paper.
Egypt had papyrus to"WRITE" on.
Egypt was definitely 1st.
Heyo Nick, Would you please Mix down the Intro's volume? Its always MEGAAAA loud
Will do! I will say I have a back log of forty episodes and so I can't fix those but in the future, I shall!
I was just loving the intro🥰
1. Written language -2- Communities of many thousands -3- Plumbing (water control, irrigation, cisterns, waste removal).
That is civilization. My vote always went to ancient India.
You're dead wrong.
@@montanacowboy523 how
@@crazytuber4522 Atlantis was the first on the planet by 10s of thousands of years.
@@montanacowboy523 Atlantis ! seriously . It's a fictional story based on the imagination of Plato.
@@ayushgaurincredible Its not fiction its the birth place of humanity.
I say it is close one between the Sumerian and Egyptian Civilizations.
I say the first civilization was in sumer 4000 b.c.The next civilizations were nubia/egypt/norte chico civilization. All came in 3500 b.c
Nubia civilization came first then egyptian civilization however,then egypt,then norte chico but all happen in the same 3500 b.c.
To be called a civilization there is no need for writing by the way but you do need a city. There are civilizations that have no writing but still called a civilization because they have a city. In 3500 b.c egypt and no writing and sumer in 4000 b.c had no writing either but were still civilizations and writing came later to them.
I seen two dates on norte. Norte chico civilization could have start around 3200 b.c. or 3500b.c.
@@TheCell111 Archeology regarding the Nubians I believe is still in it's early stages due to the political tensions in Sudan. So the Nubian Civilization could be older than the Egyptian Civilization and finding any artifacts over 5,000 years old can be hard.
First civilization was serbia, all civilizations came from serb.
(Some serbians actually believe this lol)
Big LOL
The first civilization was the USA, all civilization comes from the USA
(Some Americans actually believe this lol)
Dna is helping with the "who, what and where" of it all and will continue to do so as the technology improves.
Short but sweet. thank you.
You're welcome! And thanks for watching!
Perhaps more info on the pre-Sumerian Ubaid and Halafic cultures will give us a better idea how the early Egyptians and Mesopotamians interacted with each other prior to the development of writing systems.
The Sumerian civilization pre-dates both the Indus Valley and the Egyptian civilizations, as has been known since 1930, when Waddell (Laurence Austen) published his very comprehensive EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATION
ITS SUMERIAN ORIGIN & REAL CHRONOLOGY AND SUMERIAN ORIGIN OF EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHS, based on his original deciphering of the Egyptian and Sumerian hieroglyphs. He compared the genealogies of the Royal lines and found that they were identical.
Not anymore my friend. Indus valley has proved to be the oldest put of these two civilizations. Indus valley sites have dated to be as old as 9000 years old. And India have older cultures than Indus valley but lot of ground digging needs to be done. Indians know it since time immemorial.
Dr Miano is great, I've been binge-watching his various debunks. I'll go make a coffee and wait for the ultra-nationalist bun-fight in the comments lol
Exactly! Sounds like a plan!
"Ultra-nationalist bun-fight" is now my favorite term. 😂
the ultranationalist bun-fight:
angry dudes typing furiously because they want to be special for something that their contribution is totally irrelevant
@@Chevette1793 Nail on the head!
I'll bring the popcorn 🤣
David Rohl shows how Sumerians invaded Upper Egypt. They left petroglyphs in the desert.
No he does not. He speculates without evidence, with a bias toward the Old Testament as history instead of myth, and with little to no acceptance among scholars who rely on concrete evidence presented in peer review journals.
Dr Miano is right, he is alluding to a pre-Vedic tradition of a class of oral history known to Indologists as the Puranic tradition, dated to 9500 bc, when the Yadava tribe ( to which I belong) were blessed by the oldest religion named SANATAN religion (preached by Krishna), which, surprisingly, mentions the first and by far the oldest monotheistic god Vishnu as the cause of the evolution of the world and even claims he is the conjoined essence and object of meditative wisdom and active virtue (karma) [Vishnu Purana, translated by H.H.Wilson, London 1840], which mentions Krishna died when the sea submerged the city of Dwarka, referring to the end of the ice age, enabling dating the antiquity,
Yeah, I also think that oldest civilization is indus-valley civlization
ROFL.
What other gods were doing?
U hv not read Upanishads and other Indian philosophies that why u know nothing. Gita is not by Krishna .. it either commentary of someone on Upanishads and Indian philosophies or copied from it.
U mean Krishna was there before Vedas 😂😂😂
@@crazytuber4522 u hv not heard about gobekli Tepe civilization. 😂😂
I like to use the word 'civilised' when considering this quandary.
when the first peoples helped each other overcome maladies like broken legs, then they were able to grow together and help the groups spread.
Without such help, the injured would have to fend for themselves with a debilitating injury whilst all the time trying to stay alive amongst potential hazards from wildlife and people who 'weren't so civilised'.
Native Australian culture has been continuous for more than 50,000 years.
You said it. a culture.
Mesopotamia is not older than Kemet what is today known as Egypt. Cuneiform writing does not pre date the Medu Neter!
Thing is, media like things written down especially in ancient times can get lost in the passage of time. We have no way of actually knowing what kind of civilizations if any existed before what we have written down. With history, if it wasn't recorded it's like it never existed at all and it doesn't help that the Egyptians were fully aware of that and at times would actively try to erase parts of their history to remove the memory of leaders they didn't like.
If there was civilization it would be known. You can’t have civilization without farming and farming brings larger populations with less to do meaning more trade and more travel spreading that knowledge out. It’s unlikely at best that civilizations existed long before 10,000 bc at best. Tools, buildings, evidence of fires and farms aswell as knowledge do not all just vanish.
History doesn’t rely solely on what people wrote down, much of what we know comes from scientific investigation not writings.
I would posit that we're missing too much data to say definitively, In the context of the three choices, I like Dr. Miano lean Sumerian but am open to the alternatives. Broadly speaking I think that there was at least one Progenitor Civilization of whom we lack most of the Archaeological Record. And with the Dating of Karahan Tepe to be older than Gobekli Tepe, It's beginning, in my opinion, to be reasonable to speculate about perhaps, an earlier Civilization located in Anatolia than the aforementioned. I think the strict Academic Definition is perhaps, a Mistake.
The Sumerians came from Kush / Nubia they were Kushites, so basically they are the same people as the ancient Kemites (Egyptians) or at the least closely related, because the Kushites also founded ancient Kemet (Egypt).
30000 BC - It’s The Gulf of Kumbhat- Gujrat, India. Check for yourself.
Fraudulent evidence funded by godi media
... Didn't the proto-Egyptian civilization enter the Nile Valley from the WEST, fleeing the desiccation of the Sahara? A few years back (2011ish) I seem to recall papers pointing out that there were extensive river systems flowing north into the western Mediterranean, perhaps draining megalakes like the Chad Basin... the refugees might have had long cultural traditions and technologies of how to set up in rivers and marshes. Good presentation--
Actually till this day we speak some sumerian words in our language in iraq (speaking as Iraqi live in Babel )
Does the summerian or egypt talk about an older civilization?
There are tales in Africa of a people that travelled from the east from a cataclysmic event that destroyed much of their known world. So they travelled to the western lands in Africa through mud and flooded lands. I.e (tales of the great floods) these tales date back to the past ice age. So back to the old tale and as it goes they arrived in Egypt and Ethiopia, maybe more lands aswell.
As they past through these lands they gathered resources to start again and in return they passed on their knowledge to try reboot or restart a new beginning to and abrupt end to the previous.
@@BongDiggidee , that sound like... Atlantis...
@@smariscal24 maybe so but hopefully one day we will all know for sure
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Also, may I mention that the Inca had a civilization, risen from their own cradle, that used a record keeping system completely other than writing, the Quipu. It was much later, of course, but still independantly. I just find it appropriate to keep a post it about it on my wall, these days. 😁
Iraq is the one who invented reading and writing, he invented perfumes, he invented laws in mathematics, he invented the Pythagorean theorem, Iraq is the country of poets, Iraq is the one who invented electric elevators, and the first one I went to NASA was Iraqi, and the first one to climb the highest mountain peak (Everest) is Iraqi, and the first to fly is Iraqi, and the first judge is Iraqi. Iraq is the cradle of civilizations, the country of oil. Iraq is the oldest civilization in the world. It has Akkadian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Sumerian and Islamic civilizations, and it is still is in Babylon and you can check when you come to it 🇮🇶💗
Mesopotamia had their civilisation 1000 years before the Egyptians. They invented reading and writing, agriculture and architecture. There’s no room for debate here. In fact many historians believe Sumerians migrated to Egypt and eventually set up the Egyptian empire using their knowledge and experience.
Waiting for some indian dude say india is mother of civilization
With respect I think its not even close, with Mesopotamian being the clear older civilisation. Even in Egypt's (Khemet) own myths that every thing was dust and darkness before 3000BCE at that is the year when both halves of the kingdom were united under Menes. Whilst at that time Sumerian civilisation was already considered ancient. In addition the first forms of writing are actually PRE-sumerian. THE UBAID nation (the place where the sumer's eventually settled) had developed rudimentary tokens of accounting that were kept in a clay wallet called a Bullea. WHAT DID make the difference was the Sumerians innovation of drawing these images, of cows, beer etc on clay coins in short form-hence writing. So i would disagree, the UBAIDS developed the tools for writing (therefore the mesopotamians) long before comparatively young Egypt. Egyptian civilisation was HIGHLY influenced my those of Mesopotamia even CJ Wolley mentioned it and something that can be seen as a proof is the Gebel dagger in the Louvre.
"Panelled walls socket exes were introduced into ancient Egypt with no precedent, whilst in Mesopotamia there was a gradual progression"
On a more speculative note, it must be said that i'm fairly biased against Egypt and Egyptology in general anyway as they always seem to be hugging the camera for some fame or other, whilst at the same time you will find an Sumerian enthusiast shying away from the camera and instead intently studying the tablets in a backroom away from the lime light......... Something that even Kramer mentioned, as you know S.N Kramer is what I call the INTRODUCTORY phase to those learning about ancient Sumer.
So feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt.
Yours in Sumer
"Sumer The Garden of the Gods"
Great analysis thanks for sharing
@@Amar90 You are most certainly welcome. Dedicated my whole life to the study of ancient SUmer and its somewhat a passion but therein lies the problem as I could be seen as biased.
@@Amar90 Additional. my children Eridu ,Inanna and Ishtar say hello and encourage you to keep up with the work on ancient Mesopotamia
Since they found structures 12000 years old there must have been civilisations before the Egyptians and Sumerians.
Indus Valley FTW! Since Rig Veda mentions the Sarasvati, which dried up circa 6,000 BCE, it seems that Indian literature dates back at least 8000 years.
Sumerians folktale talks about world flooding that forced proto-sumerians to migrate to Sumer.We know now 15.000 ago during end of last ice age period. The entire persisn gulf was dry land river valley. However in short period of time, it was filled with sea. Perhaps inspiring story about genesis flooding in torah
So we could say proto-sumerians dates back to 10-15 thousand years ago.
@@mikligardur9104 That's certainly possible. But Indians have a living tradition that references a specific feature which hasn't existed in 8000 years, but which modern technology confirms did exist before that, in the specific place where the mythology places it.
It's possible there are urban sites now submerged off the Indian coast which date back 14,000+ years, but we won't know for certain unless the government allows archaeologists to dive there.
Michael Wood had a great series about India. Their civilization goes back before human language developed. Many cities are now under water from the ending of the last ice age.
Australians have traditional stories which seem to describe a great inundation of the Gulf of Carpentaria, presumably when sea levels rose at the end of the ice age. They don't claim that that means "Australian literature" dates back that far, only that their ORAL tradition is of great antiquity. Similarly, there's no need to posit written records in ancient India when there is no evidence that they ever existed.
But there isn't anything that dates back to that age from the IVC so even if it was true, it might not be people from IVC.
Nice reflection of the light coming in through the window in the picture of those 2 ships behind you there Nick. It looks just like a translucent overlay of a pyramid.
Thanks 👍
My only question or concern is that some cultures have oral traditions before there was writing and even to more recent times they didn't have any writing system. So they could have spoke what was written long before or other cultures could have but didn't start writing until later on.
Great video, dude. Keep it up!
Pretty possible that African culture will come first. After a 200 year period they will share the truth. Lets be open to possibilities. Civilization is such a western concept (read British).
There's a clear change in Egyptian pottery and architecture during the gerzean period! Definitely levantine influence or trade. Doesn't discredit what came before that time. A civilization was already well established. I don't deny that there was borrowing from the East but it is clear that the foundations are in the Nile Valley. Undoubtedly indigenous.
the east got influenced by egypt too it goes both ways
Nubia was the First True Civilization
Ancient Egyptian civilisation is actually 39,000 bc years old not 4500 years old .
I heard a different theory that both the Egyptian and sumarians were refugees maybe of the same cataclysm any thoughts anyone?
There are tales in Africa of a people that travelled from the east from a cataclysmic event that destroyed much of their known world. So they travelled to the western lands in Africa through mud and flooded lands. I.e (tales of the great floods) these tales date back to the past ice age. So back to the old tale and as it goes they arrived in Egypt and Ethiopia, maybe more lands aswell.
As they past through these lands they gathered resources to start again and in return they past on their knowledge to try reboot or restart a new beginning to and abrupt end to the previous.
*sanskrit language passes orally that's why you don't find And Hindu texts mentioned about human presence way older than any one*
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Thank you kindly!
They really weren't far from each other along with the temple sites in Turkey that pre-date the Egyptians and Sumerians... There is still alot to be discovered and often new discoveries change our theories...
Mesopotamia is rarely studied on the ground and that’s the biggest problem. In comparison Egypt had archeologists for the past 200 years working endlessly to study the Egyptian civilisation. Iraq however was rarely studied. All the information about Mesopotamia comes from findings in the 1800’s and early 1900’s. Saddam blocked the whole country and wars never attracted archaeologists but I’m certain that once Mesopotamia is thoroughly investigated and studied we will understand human history much better and unlock a lot of mysteries.
Lovely video but as to the question "what do you think" I think what I ‘think’ means nothing. Great work on the definition.
Always like the intro music, feel like im driving with donkey kong in a demolition derby.
Any dates or an approx time span, for the origins of those writing systems?
Yes, 1st writing system discovered 5100 BC their language writings like symbols, images and marks.
Author Books year
Vyasa & ganesh.Bhagavad -Gita 200 BC
Veda vyasa. Mahabharata 300 BC
Valmiki. Ramayanam 500 BC
Hindu creation story and trinity was copied from Sumerians -3000 BC
Hindu astrology was copied from Babylonians.1894 BC
The word logos ,atlantis and lermiria pyramid wars misonane age ❤ great topic
Sumerians went and founded Egypt, then Indus Valley, all while secretly being black.
😂🤣 Secretly Black⁉️ With ALL the paintings. No light hair or eyes. Take a look at the bust of Queen Tiye, Tut's grandmother.
@@detroitfunk313 What?. Persians are indo-europeans and anicent egyptians were afro-asiatic people. Not the same.
Love your work so professional looking always
Thank you so much! We truly appreciate your support!
Always excellent content in your videos & I could listen to the intro music all day!
why couldn't they have developed simultaneously?
I think they most likely did
@Thor Usain Then maybe it's better to view Sumer and Egypt as part of one big international world, rather then 2 completely independent spheres. Maybe they both grew out of one another, both feeding into eachother. Like a conversation, one person says something and the other reacts to it, either by expanding on it, rejecting it, or saying something totally different.
The oldest civilization in history It is the civilization of the Assyrians and acadion and the Sumerians Who was the first to invent cuneiform writing I read about the history of Iraq, one of the best dates for me 😍Love from Russia to the great history of Iraq 🇷🇺💙🇮🇶
Proud to be from Iraq the homeland of civilization , love from Iraq to Russia the historical allay 💖
In Varna, Bulgaria is found the world oldest treasure dating around 4500-5000 BC. These people had amazing mathematical and astrological skills. Its proven they used the golden ratio in their building, objects and tools 3000-4000 years before it was found in 1597! Back then Black Sea was a lake and under the sea are found ruins of a city this city maybe is the birth place of the legends for atlantis .After the flood of Black sea 3500-4000 BC the other civilizations started to flourish... Coincidence or maybe these people became nomads and started to roam the world in order to share their knowledge... Also in 800 AD the stone pillar of Khan Omurtag of Bulgaria have writings with the exact size of the planet earth !
Walled cities were one of the marks of civilization in the late 1800's. Governmental control was another. That would leave out just settlements of people. Those can be found way back in time.
Their gods had a fallout when they crashed on Earth and raced to create civilisations to support them in proving superiority.
Always good. Thanks yall.
Some of the Aryans after leaving India, entered Babylon, Assyria and Egypt. They are called Panis in Rig Veda. Most of them settled in Asia Minor (Historians History of the World, 1902). Rig Veda mentioned them as great navigators using Satarika Nau (a ship with 100 oars).
Original people of Assyria were not Semitic. Before 4000 BC, Southern Babylon was the original home of the Sumerians from India and Northern Babylon originally came from central Asia. Modern name Mesopotamia came from the original Madhya Vedi, according to the Historians History of the World (Vol 1 and 2, 1902). One of the most famous King of Babylon was Asur Bani Pal, a pure Sanskrit name. Both Hittite and Mitranis used to speak Indo-European language. Their gods were Vedic gods.
HR Hall, curator of the British Museum wrote (Hall, 1939), “The ethnic type of the Sumerians so strongly marked in their statues and relief was as different from those of the races which surround them as was their language from those of the Semites; they were decidedly Indian in type. The face type of the average Indian of today is no doubt much the same as that of his race ancestors thousands of years ago. And it is by no means improbable that the Sumerians were an Indian race. It was in the Indian home, perhaps the Indus valley; we suppose for them, that their culture developed. There their writings may have invented and progressed from a purely pictorial to a simplified and abbreviated from which afterwards in Babylonia took on its peculiar cuneiform appearance owing to its being written with a square ended stylus on soft-clay. There is little doubt that India must have been one of earliest centres of human civilization and it seems natural to suppose that the strange un-Semitic people who came from the East to civilise the West were of Indian origin, especially when we see with our eyes how very Indian the Sumerians were in type”.
There were linguistic and ethnic resemblance between the Sumerians and the Dravidians, people from South India. Both Rig Veda and Mahabharata mentioned the Deva-Asura war, which lasted 32 years in which Devas, the Aryans of North India, driven other tribes. In both Harappa and Babylon an unknown script was discovered, demonstrating close connection between the Indus valley and Babylon. Woolley in Ur found a similar seal with a very early cuneiform inscription (Woolley, 1929). Indus culture is older than Sumerian and Egyptian culture (Hall, 1939, 1928).
According to the Puranas, the Sumerians were driven out by Rudra to shores of the western sea. The two brothers Vritra and Bala, with their Aryan followers settled in ancient Persia and Mesopotamia respectively. The Panis, allies of the Asuras, were also ousted and they settled down on the shore of the Levant sea, according to the Puranas. Mazumdar (1917) thought it was in 2800 BC but according to the latest research it can be before 9000 BC. Their capital was Tyre.
Indra led the Aryans to Apa, modern Afghanistan. Vritra made a treaty with Indra and founded his capital in Babylon. However, according to Rig Veda, Indra broke that treaty and killed Varitra. Indra then went to East Europe and killed sons of Varashika of the Vrichivat clan ( Rig Veda, V, VI, 27, 5). Thus, Russia, East Europe, Greece, West Asia, Mesopotamia, Persia, Afghanistan and India were filled by these Aryans.
German historian A.H.L Heeren, Professor of History in the University of Gottingen believed in the Indian origin of the Egyptian civilization. According to him, in the Historians History of the World, vol1, p, p198, and p200 and in the History of Ancient Civilizations, published from the Gottingen University in 1799, skulls of the ancient Egyptians and ancient Indians have close resemblance. It might mean that the Egyptians had one day been emigrants from India. Egyptians were divided into castes similar to India. The early Aryan name of Egypt was Ekantina, a country that worship one supreme being in the very ancient time. According to James Todd (1920), “ …from ancient Ethiopia, Egypt had her civilized institutions and that the Ethiopians were of Indian origin”. Homer also called the Indians as eastern Ethiopians (Mazumdar, 1917, p1). Recently Max Plank Institute in Jena and the University of Tubingen examined the 3500 years old mummies from Egypt and found out the DNA of the ancient Egyptians are not related to the people of Sub-Saharan Africa but are related to ancient people of Anatolia, who were originally from India (edition.cnn.com/2017/06/22/health/ancient-egypt-mummy-dna).
Rig Veda (1,22,16-21) mentioned Vishnu the leader of the Aryans and his people used to live in a place called Indra-Laya from 8000 to 5000 BC; and in 5000BC they started to disperse in different directions. Manu was the first person, the origin of the Aryans. Priyavrata ,son of Manu, according to Vishnu Purana (II, 1), Garura Purana, Bhagavata (V,1), Devi-Bhagavata (VIII, 4), divided his kingdom among his ten sons but three of them refused to be Kings, instead chose to be hermits. Prince Agnidhara got Jambu Dwipa (Asia), Medhatithi got Plakssha (submerged continent between Africa and Asia). Vapushman got Samali (Africa), Dyutiman got Krauncha Dwipa (Australia), Bhavya got Saka-Dwipa (Europe), Savala got Pushkara-Dwipa (North America) Jyotishman got Kusa Dwipa ( South America). The grandson of Manu, Agnidhara divided Asia among his nine sons (Vishnu Purana (II,2), Garura Purana (I, 54), Brahma Purana (18)).
Wow, thanks for sharing this amazing piece of information
Wow a bunch Aryan race BS
Ok. Trash information from Indian nationalist😂
Which Y haplogroups (J or L) creators of Sumer~Mesopotamia civilization ?
What about E?
The Sumerian civilization in Mesopotamia is 7000 thousand years old
Someone needs to talk more about ancient Egyptian texts and the Minoans. And other Agean island nations. We don't know what the Minoans called themselves. But Egypt records trade and war with sailing nations we don't know who they're naming. Surely one of those unidentified sea groups must be the Minoans. Especially considering the invasions Egypt and the Levant experienced from the sea during the height and fall of the time period of the Minoans.
If we take mythology with a grain of salt, it must be argued that there were lost civilisations, but I suppose we have to limit ourselves to the concrete facts we 'know for vaguely sure'... ;)
There are lost civilizations. Harappa in India. Jiroft culture (Helmend) in Iran, BMAC in Central Asia. We know almost nothing about them, apart from the fact that they were very developed for that time. If they had writing, they apparently wrote on something perishable.
Probably there were others that we know even less about because in many parts of the world archeology virtually doesn't exist.
I would love to see in these comments who supports an earliest civilization that ISN’T their own (or to which they are related). I’m just going out on a limb here and guessing it’s not that common….🤔
Thanks for this video, and special thanks to Dr Miano for his thoughts. I always go with my guts because I only scratch the surface but I think pottery gives us a big source of intrigue with those standard issue beveled rim bowls of Uruk (Mesopotamia) from back deep into the 4th millennium BCE that demonstrate a mass requirement that points towards practical trade or large work forces or wide distribution that would be symptomatic of a sizeable community network. It seems that the rivers of Mesopotamia create a much better roadmap archaeologically through the Chalcolithic period for the progression from villages with dozens of residents to towns with thousands of residents. I wonder if the Egyptians reacted to the pressures of the aridisation of the Sahara that forced the population to coalesce around the Nile and brought their civilisation forward comparatively suddenly compared to the Mesopotamians. I don't doubt that trade links between the two distinct cultures had mutual benefits to the advancements of their civilisations and technologies. I have to go with Mesopotamia first, but please don't let any of this stop anyone from showing an interest in the incredible early Harappans of the Indus Valley and the wonders of their ancient civilised settlement at Mohenjo-Daro. The Indus Valley showed some incredible civil developments very early, but certainly not as early as Mesopotamia and Egypt for me! Keep it coming!!! :) :) :)
I've always thought Egypt and Mesopotamia developed roughly at the same time and they both were the first civilization together. I think they both reached the Neolithic and Bronze Age at the same time more or less and if Egypt may have started to develop hieroglyphics earlier on but Mesopotamia completely formed cuneiform before hieroglyphics were a finished product one thing would kind of make up for the other, wouldn't it?
This issue of ancient civilizations and proto-civilizations that were nevet fully fleshed has always fascinated me. It's amazing that everything started in the relatively small area of the "fertile crescent". The conditions at the time must have been unique because the concept of civilization stuck, developed and expanded, unlike other even more ancient megastructures found that suggest complex societies but not fully formed civilizations and cultures that disappeared before developing any further for whatever reason. Coincidentally, those mega structures have also been found precisely around that "crescent" area, which seems to indicate that there's something there that favors human development, but the conditions must not have been right, whereas for Egypt and Sumeria they were. Like I said, absolutely fascinating.
@Ario 1 which civilization are you talking about?
@Ario 1In Europe? Before Egypt or Mesopotamia? What's rye name of such civilization? I have never ever heard of any actual civilization in Europe older than Egypt.
I have a difference of opinion, only because Egypt develop culture before Mesopotamia.
@King Dahaka I know the engineering was not comparable, since most of Egypt monuments still stands today and Mesopotamia had to be restored, which meant the Engineering started in Egypt, However Roalty of the Regions vary depending on the Dynasty.
The ancient Chinese civilization is considered the cradles of civilization.
😂 china is in 4th rank
Is it possibly that tru out every civilization a major event happens that reset civilization
I would love to see you do one of these videos with Dr. Greg Carr @ Howard University. He is brilliant and knows pretty much everything. Or anyone black to get a different perspective on the black n white subject you've mentioned in other videos.
Send me a link to Dr. Carr, I will see what I can do!
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 thanks for replying. Here is one link but if u youtube Dr. Greg Carr u can see the others.
Watch "Ki Kongo cosmograph, historical memory and perspective of time Professor Greg Carr," on TH-cam
th-cam.com/video/ZtDA7FADdLA/w-d-xo.html
We shouldn't even be needing to get historians of different races to prove this or that because that is what is wrong with our view of the past, too much racial pride and egos creating massive holes in the human story.
Interested to know how miano proves his claims
Watch Miano’s channel, he explains his methodology a lot. Spoiler, he’s rigorous and scientific and does not buy into thinly sourced conspiracy junk.
@@texanfilms will do thanks
Mesopatamian> Indus valley> Egypt
Indus Valley>Mesopatamian>Egypt
Vedic Civilization>>>
Bhimbetka caves 30,000 BCE
The Hindu, presuming you mean Vedic, texts are Indo-European of course, as is Sanskrit. Would be so amazing if we could decipher Harappan text.
Technically Aryan
@@grampiangoldprospecting3508 the Vedic texts? Sure, but it's easier to use another name and sidestep a whole bunch of political crap.
@@Sinsteel Aryan history goes back thousands and thousands of years, indo-european is politically correct nonsense designed to snuff out my people absolutely incredible history, You want me to feel shame?? I do NOT, I am.. WE are ARYAN
@@grampiangoldprospecting3508 I don't want you to feel shame, I want you to be smart about it and decide which hill you should die on. Not over a name I suggest. People don't even need an excuse to bury this...better not to give them one anyway.
Anyway, they think the word in PIE is "heryos" meaning kinsman, and maybe perhaps related words, heryon perhaps? Idk. I don't want you to feel shame, I want us all to be rightly proud, but you know as well as I do that a certain someone screwed this up for everyone.
@@grampiangoldprospecting3508 Aryans came from the Eurasia; presumably India and Pakistan. Hitler later become obsessed with it; romanticized it, then appropriated it. Prior to WW2 it was globally accepted that Indo or Indian-Europeans originated from the east. These are essentially nationalities, not ethnicities. They simply brought culture and language to Europe.
Since childhood this subject has fascinated me
Agreed friend!!!
There are tales in Africa of a people that travelled from the east from a cataclysmic event that destroyed much of their known world. So they travelled to the western lands in Africa through mud and flooded lands. I.e (tales of the great floods) these tales date back to the past ice age. So back to the old tale and as it goes they arrived in Egypt and Ethiopia, maybe more lands aswell.
As they past through these lands they gathered resources to start again and in return they past on their knowledge to try reboot or restart a new beginning to and abrupt end to the previous.
Dr. David Rohl who you had on your channel has a hypothesis where sumerians navigated to the red Sea and crossed the desert to arrive at the Nile. You should check that out, it's on youtube
Domo Arigato Mr. Miano!
Quite interesting but seems a bit...pedantic. Maybe better: where was the first group of doubly-wise men, and what stopped them from growing in population enough to "prosper"? Disease? Otherwise compromised mating frequency? These things notwithstanding, the elements of a so-called civilization will likely develop with any group. Is it not possible to have a civilization with oral tradition or is writing an indelible requirement
Honestly I don't think nobody knows cause we are still finding ancient civilizations still today all over the world.
I think it depends ds on just how describe civilization. Does it require cities? When does a culture shift into a "civilization"? Does a civilization require social stratification? If the cities or structures found under the Arabian Sea of of India really are what they seem to be then the idea of civilization gets pushed back pretty far. Are the builders of Golbecki Tepe a civilization? Myself I think the earliest plausible civilizations were in those areas that were above water during the last glacial advance. That doesn't mean they were high technology or Atlantis woo. But I think it likely there were probably organized societies at that time.
Thank you for promoting Dr Miano. Ive subscribed to his channel. He is one of the best expert to look out for.
Interesting
How does proto elamites stand in this
Nick, I love your videos including this one, but it was followed by a disturbing commercial for a scam involving "secret biblical medicine" which should be illegal and is highly offensive. See if you can do some thing about this with youtube.
I think it is impossible to know about the Sumerian vs Egyptian writing systems. Sumerians wrote on clay, Egyptians on papyrus. Unless Egyptian writing is much older we would have older copies of Sumerian writing due to the durability of the material. Monumental carving in Rock would be relatively new.
2:17 تم كتشف القراءة والكتابة في بلاد مابين النهرين وما القوانين حمورابي
India was part of the persian empire during Darius the Greats rule so its possible that this link between the two is much older than 500BCE.
I would suggest that the mythology and the astronomy is almost identical even today (jews and hindus) and that this is unlikely to have happened if the original cultures didnt start out the same. Conquests never last forever and people never usually relinquish their old beliefs completely.
Author Books year
Vyasa & ganesh.Bhagavad -Gita 200 BC
Veda vyasa. Mahabharata 300 BC
Valmiki. Ramayanam 500 BC
Hindu creation story and trinity was copied from Sumerians -3000 BC
Hindu astrology was copied from Babylonians.1894 BC
@@Exploringtheworldforyou but was it copied or were they part of the same great civilization at that time. Look at the geography, it was possible to canoe or walk the entire distance along a shore line?
@@robsellars9338 Mesopotamian time 10000 BC.
Indus valley only 3100 BC old.
Migrated to asias country's.
I believe they all from Noah's family.
@@robsellars9338 it is.thats why the name of 3 gods changed. Skanda also changed name.Like qurans character names. (Quran Copied from thora and injeel (Bible))
Vedic periods 1500- 1000 BC only (rigveda).
I would suppose that Sumeria did come before Egypt as most of the archeology supports the Levant in regards to the earliest known of most everything. I still wouldn't call either of them "first" civilization.
As to writing; Genevieve von Petzinger has done extensive work regarding the earliest possible representations of proto-writing and puts the beginnings back to 40,000 years ago - about the same time dogs were domesticated and projectile weapons were spreading fast. There are ancient writing systems we know from one or two examples, yet seem to be fully developed. There are some languages that are not indo-european in structure and we have absolutely no idea where they originated. Looking at very early examples of writing and proto writing, we're stuck with stone. Even stone weathers beyond recognition over 8 or 9 millenia. There simply wouldn't be any evidence if the writing was all done on an organic substance. Not all cultures write on stone. There is a point where investigating early writing simply cannot be accomplished. How much information was lost during the Bronze Age Collapse? - and all those people were civilized.
The urbanization thing still bothers me. Today, globally, only 55% of the human specie is urban yet we're civilized. You can be a member of a civilization and not live in a city. The size of some early South American cities indicate as many as 60 to 100 million people were here pre-European contact. They didn't all live in cities.
If humanity were to all die tonight, in ten thousand years there won't be any evidence we were here at all. A crumbled dam footing here and there would be all that survived . . . maybe what we've crafted from gold. Most of our cities would have disintigrated within a couple hundred years. Not a shred of our writing would survive. All the dead and buried will have long turned to dust. There honestly woulnd't be any sign we were ever here. Nothing left would say we were civilized.
Ancient Nile culture came first
Remember that culture and civilization are different. Oldest cultures are in Africa most definitely!
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Culture is different from civilization but there is no civilization without culture. Would be only for its calendar or its cosmogenesis, in my opinion Egypt comes first.
👽🛸 according to “ancient alien astronaut theorists” 😂🤣🤪
We have more than enough to prove that jiroft civilization had it all of the great specifications that you just made up for civilizations to have ❤❤❤❤
Scythians
Which is which that's questions need to be answered by the historian and archeogist is need to be answer who is the first civilization on earth.