FIBREBOARD Midsole VS LEATHER Midsole // Jim Green Footwear

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  • @CharlesWiiliamson
    @CharlesWiiliamson 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I really hope the 719's will be put into production. That is the Jim Green service boot I have been waiting. The right look, and the right leather. Just beautiful.

    • @Thankyou4time
      @Thankyou4time 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too!

    • @LCFloyd
      @LCFloyd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      YESSSSSSSSSS! Me too 🥾

  • @elemenopi55
    @elemenopi55 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    the right tool for the job. i'd bet a lot of folks who want a leather midsole dont even need it. it's like denim heads that want the heaviest, thickest, stiffest jeans possible. or car guys who want the stiffest, lowest suspension set up and widest possible wheels. or truck guys who want the highest truck with the biggest possible wheels. they're not thinking about how they're actually gonna use the thing, they're just fixating on a chosen characteristic and not considering what makes something effective is a balance and how suited the item/tool is to the conditions it will actually be used in.

  • @jakepassolt9640
    @jakepassolt9640 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I have multiple Jim Green's with and without the leather midsole. There is definitely a noticeable weight increase with the leather midsole but it's nothing crazy. And so far I have had no issues with the fiberboard midsole's durability at all.
    The Jim Green brand is all about value. The boots are durable, well made, and they are a super good deal for what they cost vs what you get. It makes sense to want the leather midsole if you're getting a custom pair, you're already paying a premium for the boots so you'll want them made with the best materials offered. But I feel like most people like the Jim Green brand because they don't cost an arm and a leg but you still get a super sturdy, traditionally constructed boot. So it makes sense that the fiberboard midsole is the default option, but I love that they still have the leather midsole as an option.

    • @tonydragon784
      @tonydragon784 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've got some first-run barefoots and some off-the-website AR8s with the poly board and it's pretty funny that these 8in luggy boots weigh about the same as my little barefoot stompers

    • @ShadeSlayer1911
      @ShadeSlayer1911 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevincorr2985 Leather midsole is only on their premium boots or the barefoot models.

    • @kevincorr2985
      @kevincorr2985 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can add it under the custom options.

  • @5c077andstuff
    @5c077andstuff 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Looking forward to the 719's when they come out. Will they be priced similar to the Numzaan boots?

  • @xplorsocal2222
    @xplorsocal2222 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I’m so looking forward to the 719 boot! Can’t wait to talk about it on my channel!!

  • @daneish96
    @daneish96 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Those tire wedge ARs look incredible👌

  • @natsirt2610
    @natsirt2610 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The 719s in bronco brown look amazing. I can’t wait till those are officially released and we can buy them

  • @Danmcc202
    @Danmcc202 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Great video I wonder how the Poly board handles more damp conditions over time. I am in Ireland so wet a lot of the year

    • @cheapknight1293
      @cheapknight1293 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Hya, I'm from the Netherlands, so we have similarly wet conditions (sighs...). I've got my rangers for 1.5 years now and it does seem that the glue seems to get loose a bit on some edges. Nevertheless, it the upper and midsole are connected by the threat of the 360 degrees welt, so it is unlikely to come undone.
      My only concern is that they are up for a resole soon, and I am not sure how resolable the midsole is if it is loose on some of the edges.

    • @cheapknight1293
      @cheapknight1293 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also I am not sure how much of this is due to the weather tho, but I have worn them in wet conditions.

    • @Danmcc202
      @Danmcc202 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cheapknight1293 Thanks for the insight. If I was using them in dry conditions I would have no problem at all with chosing the Poly midsole as a friend of mine has a pair of Stockmans that have not shown any signs of degredation. I am just very hard on boots and in the elements far more.
      I have a pair of Danners (that i would not get again) and the fibreboard split completely along the stich line basically joing the dots from the needle holes. I know that the fibreboard in all Jim Green boots is better quality that other manufacturers but I will still go with a leather midsole I think

    • @KIL390
      @KIL390 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Danmcc202 I have never seen the fiberboard split at the stich, my family has been wearing Crouch family boots for work and field for decades and many resoles. Check out the JG resole videos, there are some pairs that are older than some viewers and still going strong.

    • @cheapknight1293
      @cheapknight1293 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Danmcc202 No problem, it is probably the safest bet if you want durability.

  • @gmdemedici
    @gmdemedici 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Have you ever considered making an engineer boot? I bet they'd be quite popular, especially since it's difficult to find good quality ones for reasonable prices.

  • @j.k.cascade2057
    @j.k.cascade2057 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    You might also mention that if you frequently get your boots wet; the leather lasting sole will get heavy and take a week to dry,
    with the poly lasting sole just remove the sock liner and dry overnight.
    Also over time; ( like a decade plus if you have your boots that long ) the leather will begin to show signs of shrinking.

  • @RandomGuy-qm3mg
    @RandomGuy-qm3mg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Makes sense to me. Switching to trail runners made hiking and backpacking a hell of a lot easier compared to all leather hiking boots. So lighter sounds better to me.

  • @JennyDarukat
    @JennyDarukat 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow the Bushcat and the worn bronco leather look amazing

  • @laketonadventures
    @laketonadventures 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got the brown African ranger and am loving them so much I had to custom order a pair of work boots. They are razorbacks in Huston black, steel toe, leather toe cap, leather mid sole, and lasting board. Mini lug EVA sole with red stitching. I am anticipating a tough break in, but am stoked to wear them for hopefully a decade.

  • @JG-rj4ly
    @JG-rj4ly 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    After wearing a pair of Shoelies I ordered another pair with leather midsoles and FG soles. The second pair is heavy and took weeks before they were comfortable. Now they are great.

  • @anibalbabilonia1867
    @anibalbabilonia1867 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man I love the looks of your boots!👌🥰👍 I prefer the leather midsole.

  • @scottdavenport1833
    @scottdavenport1833 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very informative video.

  • @canonfodder808
    @canonfodder808 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this video and the explanations.

  • @Toad_Hugger
    @Toad_Hugger 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Had a pair of your Vellies with the woven board for about 3 years now. They've held up well to hard use. The board has taken some shape to my foot, but the steel shank has also started to create a slightly raised area that can become uncomfortable on long walks.
    I recently got a pair of Razorbacks with the leather midsole and lasting board and am very happy with them. They're definitely on the heavier side, but I think it's a good tradeoff for the longevity and style.
    Overall, I've been very happy with my Jim Greens!

  • @j_crust4582
    @j_crust4582 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Is the 719 on the STC last?🤞

    • @dbmail545
      @dbmail545 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      From the appearance I would suspect that it is built on the JG last but the custom shop will be happy to build you a pair on the STC last. I just ordered a pair of AR8's built on the STC last.

  • @patricklinkous
    @patricklinkous 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I get that the fibreboard midsole is a high quality product, but at the end of the day it's less durable than leather. Most of your US customers are attracted to your boots because of the high quality construction. I've noticed most of your custom boots on Reddit have leather midsoles.
    I think many US customers would happily pay the extra $10 for a leather midsole in your current boots, but the price if customs is out of reach for many. If you dropped fibreboard from the US line, I bet sales wouldn't be affected and you would have less custom work gumming up the factory.

    • @wingit4316
      @wingit4316 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Excellent take

    • @QuartBernstein311
      @QuartBernstein311 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      This would be my opinion at first, but anyone walking long distances is going to disagree with this take due to weight.
      I loved the idea of the Numzaan boot, but it just weighed too much for a boot and one reason there has been a large pull to direct attach boots using foam midsoles is because they are often a pound or more lighter than welted boots.
      Something like the Limmer Ultralight, which is still very expensive made in Germany by Meindl and weighing 2.5 pounds is a work of art by creating a lightweight welted boot and even though it costs $500, it still uses a plastic midsole made by Vibram.
      I am not saying they should discontinue making leather midsole boots, but it should remain on their higher end boots and out of work/hiking boots. Other than the barefoot thing people are trying, what transcends the problems I see with plastic board (lack of molding to foot) is that you can just throw in an insole to compensate for the problems with it. Something like the Razorback, since it is a boot that laces well and adapts to a wide fit is a perfect receptor already for most insoles out there.

    • @patricklinkous
      @patricklinkous 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@QuartBernstein311 A very well reasoned opinion, I can't disagree. There's definitely a need for both options, but I'm thinking that Jim Green wouldn't stock both options in their US warehouse. I've just noticed a ton of people get into Jim Green for heritage construction and materials and they want leather midsoles. There certainly are people putting miles on their boots, but a significant chunk are office boots.
      I wear my Numzaans as work boots in a rural park and I don't mind the weight. They feel solid in a way my modern-constructed boots don't.

    • @KIL390
      @KIL390 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@QuartBernstein311 I agree with your opinion if this was a purist competition buyer, but at the weight of JG boots, they would not interest such a buyer anyway. The weight difference is a small percentage when compared to the overall weight that you will get used to it within a short while (and have the bonus of your regular shoes feeling lighter :)). I live in my boots (on base, field, hunting, hiking ect.) but my opinion is based on moving a 230lb/105kg 6'2"/187cm body in size 13US.
      Then you can see how the other replies points fall in.

  • @edrader
    @edrader 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thanks man i really appreciate the weights. what is ideal for me is a leather midsole and a lightweight wedge like the vibram 2120.

  • @RichardGilbert2727
    @RichardGilbert2727 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks so much for this balanced comparison! I have a pair of ARs coming with the fiber midsole. I want the light weight. May get a leather midsole pair down the road. But for long walks and everyday yard wear I think I'll prefer fiber. If it makes resoling harder, that'll be unfortunate, but in that case I reckon a leather midsole could be added.

  • @KIL390
    @KIL390 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My leather midsoles have never had issues, even when they have not had time to dry between days.
    But with the fiberboard:
    -I have had issues with mold and harder to clean (wipe solid leather material vs scrubbing porous board)
    -Cracking at the bend in the foot (on the inside/foot side, this just seems to be an aesthetic issue though), the underfoot durability is questionable as it has slightly worn down in high friction areas
    -Delamination/curling of the midsole/upper is far more significant.
    The board does offer lighter weight and better underfoot grip (barefoot and with socks) when dry, wet no difference discernable
    Wax seems to offer better water resistance with leather and lasts longer
    In my opinion there is also the aesthetic advantage to leather as the board ages into a white/greyish eyesore, so regular touchup is required with sole coloured wax (which could cause issues with eg. black wax transferred to your carpets if not done right).
    This is with experience from urban/field/mountain and rain/sand/mud/snow conditions. I have JG laceups and slipons for my personal boots, I cannot wait for the JG Trooper to come out in December, for me to start replacing my combat boots.

  • @TylerSnyder305
    @TylerSnyder305 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Personally I think the woven fiberboard midsole you guys use is better than any texon type paperboard material that you see in most footwear today.
    That stuff cracks and breaks, but the stuff you guys use is thicker and has much more structure to it.
    I still went with a leather midsole for my custom vellies, but have absolutely no complaints with the midsole on the standard Vellies I bought last year.

  • @АлтынбекДюсембаев-л5ь
    @АлтынбекДюсембаев-л5ь หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, 1.3 kg is weight for a pair or one boot?

  • @NDB469
    @NDB469 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Those 719’s look awesome

  • @carsoncarmody9930
    @carsoncarmody9930 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve had my African rangers for almost two years. The synthetic midsole is cracked at the point that my foot bend. I love the boots but when I buy a second pair I’m planning on getting the leather midsole

  • @user-zg4ir8ug3s
    @user-zg4ir8ug3s 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Honestly I prefer lightness, especially for barefoot models and also since it seems like the board is plenty durable enough for my uses.

  • @ardyshane23
    @ardyshane23 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am in construction, so being hard on boots is a given. I have found that the polyester mid sole just doesn’t hold up to the trade. My African Rangers outsole is almost ready to be replaced and the poly board is cracked in about 3 different places on each boot. They have been in mud, concrete, 100+ f heat, so they have been abused, but I always brush, clean with saddle soap and condition when needed. The leather midsole would definitely hold up a lot better in the trades. I may try my hand at a resole myself and replace the midsole with leather and maybe add a rubber slip sole as well. The uppers look great with scars and “patina” from work that I love.

  • @josemanuel2244
    @josemanuel2244 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will you make a review on the new bronco leather?

  • @testermonkey2304
    @testermonkey2304 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    any chance the new African trooper is going to come out in vege tan?

  • @ReynoldsUnleashed
    @ReynoldsUnleashed 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    when will the new tyre wedge sole be available for resoling option

  • @aidanhendriks3843
    @aidanhendriks3843 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I find that my fiber board midsole (classic african ranger) seems to soak up water quite easily despite tryng to treat it with dubin and beeswax. when i take the insole out after walking in wet conditions, I can see the wter bleeding in from the edjes

    • @patricklinkous
      @patricklinkous 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Versus my Numzaans that seem impervious to water. I want a leather midsole on all my stitchdown boots and shoes.

  • @96111thomas
    @96111thomas 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When will we get bronco leather in the custom shop?

  • @petkeeper0101
    @petkeeper0101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will the 719 have the lug option available?

  • @abep.3110
    @abep.3110 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the leather midsole because it’s not plastic like polyester, my feet are really happy being covered with nothing but leather and it really helps against keeping my feet from smelling. I’m not in the African bush, and the BAR are plenty light for me. Keep up the great work

  • @adamgtrap
    @adamgtrap 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My razorbacks are nice, and the fiberboard midsole hasnt caused me concern yet. I've worn them almost daily, on work days, in Colorado, Alaska, and Arizona. And for a lot of non work hiking days. I actually appreciate that they aren't super heavy and have gotten less stiff over time.

  • @chinatownboy7482
    @chinatownboy7482 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have the Numzaan with the leather, and the Razorback with the polyester woven fibreboard. The Razorback is lighter weight, flexes easier, and was much easier to break in. I'm standing on the foam insert, which is soft. The Numzaan is heavier, stiff, and was more difficult to break in. I like the feel of standing on the leather insole, with the worn in imprint of my foot. My choice would be leather. Just my preference to what feels good on my feet. We all have different feet. I wish that the Razorback was offered with a premium option, built with a leather lasting board and leather midsole.

  • @madbrainmakesnosense8229
    @madbrainmakesnosense8229 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really appreciate you for making a video on this topic. So far the fibre board option is the only thing I could complain. But honestly I didn’t have a real issue with it so far. Nevertheless I maybe noticed that this midsole soakes water inside faster than (non Jim green) boots with leather midsole I have. Maybe you could propose a product to waterproof the fibre board material???

  • @kevincorr2985
    @kevincorr2985 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is the leather midsole available for the African Ranger? I don't see it on the website. Just on the USA website for 2 color boots.

    • @kevincorr2985
      @kevincorr2985 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, go to the custom boot menu and work your way to "Details" page.

  • @Allan_Garcia
    @Allan_Garcia 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you please add the tire sole as an option to the custom barefoot African Rangers.

  • @-COBRA
    @-COBRA 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the weight is for pair or one shoe?

  • @c4my819
    @c4my819 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just ordered my 1st pair of ARs cant wait to test them, got bored of rockys and welcos combat boots.

  • @Alianderfarm
    @Alianderfarm 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful presentation. Keeping an eye on availability of your buffalo hide African Ranger barefoot in size 11.5

    • @simongrushka983
      @simongrushka983 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've got sad news to you: they are no longer made, AFAIK

  • @canonfodder808
    @canonfodder808 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Question for the JG team:
    Where can we get a last for the AR? I am going to be stuck resoling them myself since there's no cobblers near me. And mailing/paying for them ends up costing me the same as a new pair...

  • @RickN13
    @RickN13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Forget the midsole. Have the eyelet issues been fixed yet? I'm still seeing some people talking about the eyelets on their boots coming loose. It's happened on my AR and Numzaan boots too. I just can't pull the trigger again until it's confirmed that it's been fixed.

  • @chinatownboy7482
    @chinatownboy7482 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Plenty of shoes do not use leather for insoles and midsoles. They wear just fine.

  • @LongRangeNomadGroup
    @LongRangeNomadGroup 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love from America! Can we see more of the tire tread sole please!

  • @dbmail545
    @dbmail545 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Waiting on my second custom pair of JG boots. Waiting for more cape buffalo hide to become available before I order the third custom pair.

  • @iwander120
    @iwander120 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2.86 LBS per boot on the African Ranger with fiberboard midsole??

  • @christophbecker1639
    @christophbecker1639 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No issues with my poly midsole JG boots, but I have to say that leather feels much nicer under your feet. Couldn’t wear my Razorbacks or AR without insoles like my Red Wings. The lighter weight is an advantage though, if you use them as hiking boots.

  • @kitcraft9516
    @kitcraft9516 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe I missed it, but which one is less dense? The leather looks more flexible. In my BFAR the leather is quite hard underfoot which seems to be exacerbated by being zero drop. I really wish the sock liner was full length in my rangers as it has a nicer feel underfoot than the lasting board leather with just a tiny bit of give when you walk. Not tapered at that (truly zero drop).
    Anyway, love the new Bronco leather option. I need a pair in that!

    • @carharttking
      @carharttking 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can take a long while to break in a leather midsole but will eventually feel like a glove

    • @kitcraft9516
      @kitcraft9516 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@carharttking Four months of more or less daily wear and I'm not there yet. Before going barefoot my go-to was a pair of Red Wing 875 and even that felt softer. I think it is the leather mixed with being zero drop.

    • @kitcraft9516
      @kitcraft9516 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@carharttking Four months of more or less daily wear and I'm not there yet. Before going barefoot my go-to was a pair of Red Wing 875 and even that felt softer. I think it is the leather mixed with being zero drop.

  • @ABD5667
    @ABD5667 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can a poly board be replaced with a leather midsole when resoling?

    • @kiloyardstare
      @kiloyardstare 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not without a lot of extra work! Probably cheaper to buy a new pair than to reconstruct the boot.

  • @joewellfair8238
    @joewellfair8238 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can anyone let me know where to check out these 719s? I can't seem to find them on the website.

  • @jbooh88
    @jbooh88 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No issues with mine 8 months of daily wear. Comfy and light

  • @BLACKBOX2TURK
    @BLACKBOX2TURK 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should give use the options when purchasing also with the outsoles.

  • @nicholas._.03-u1n
    @nicholas._.03-u1n 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you dropped a video about the collaboration with Carl Murawski?

    • @Danmcc202
      @Danmcc202 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They chat about it on Carl's podcast

  • @MrThomass281
    @MrThomass281 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I prefer the leather mid sole. My African Rangers with the fiber board mid-sole have more of an odor than my leather midsoled boots by another maker. I believe the smell comes from the fiber midsole. But I still love my African Rangers.

  • @Fuperbooper
    @Fuperbooper 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In my line of work, upper leathers do not last long enough to justify the durability of the leather midsole. Metal dust and oil is my major boot killer, not the board. I don’t expect two resoles out of any boot

  • @InGrindWeCrust2010
    @InGrindWeCrust2010 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Jim Green synthetic mid-sole is already miles better than other options, which are often made of compressed paper or re-constituted "leather."

  • @Abhikpr.
    @Abhikpr. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What is that green boot with that aggressive sole on the left? Those look amazing

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Custom bushcat they were in the last customd video

    • @TwistyThreeFifty
      @TwistyThreeFifty 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are my boots :-)

    • @Abhikpr.
      @Abhikpr. 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TwistyThreeFifty sir you have taste and style lol. I'm jealous right now. I want those. How much were they? I'm guessing custom. I need to save for them

  • @sheckydiamond7533
    @sheckydiamond7533 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Polyester woven. I am not sold. Every model should have leather and poly woven as options. Then we can all get what we want.

  • @ianwalker4803
    @ianwalker4803 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Save up and just buy one of each ! problem solved 😁

  • @Cokecanninja
    @Cokecanninja 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If I have a choice between plastic and leather, I'm picking leather every time.

  • @pintorulz
    @pintorulz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone else feels like the 719 is similar to the Chippewa Apache?

  • @ShentelShentel
    @ShentelShentel 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love my African Rangers, but the steel shank began to pop out after about 500 miles, the boots still look brand new and I am sure I would have gotten another 300-400 miles out of them. I hope they restock the Vellies! Numazan boots- had to return not wide enough, pretties boots I've ever owned. Stockman's are nice but don't quite fit the same. The Vellies, pure comfort, and the cuffs of my pants cover them, so they look better for work compared to my Rangers. I hope they make more boots on the STC last. And please RESTOCK your Vellies...put Clarke's out of business!

  • @馬伕
    @馬伕 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Most shoes in the world do not have leather insoles. There's a global industry of shoe lasting boards, and most people's feet have not fallen off.

    • @kiloyardstare
      @kiloyardstare 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, they just get new shoes every 6 months when the old ones fall apart! I'll gladly pay an extra $10 for a component that will double the life of the boot!

  • @iwiIInotreply
    @iwiIInotreply 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The only crime here is that he’s wearing ankle socks with boots. Atrocious

  • @A55-s9d
    @A55-s9d 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Keep telling people that polyester woven is better than leather. Someone will believe it. Not me. But someone else.

    • @taargustaargus3139
      @taargustaargus3139 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Except that's not what he said at all.